/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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First for High School Of Heresy

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1st for the IVIIIth

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>>53660915
Hello, Cruzefag, it's been a while since I've seen you. By the power of the patron saint of firefighters delete this.

>>53660931
You guys just can't catch a break.

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Securing this thread for the spiritual liege.

>>53660931
>IVIII = 1-5+3
Like, 7th?
t. Obviously the Death Guard, the seventh legion :^)

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>>53660969
Old ass termies fucking when reeeeeeeeeeee

>>53660931
Every Salamanders list I see is basically the same thing, are they just a total one trick pony?

>>53660931
By the way, that actually looks pretty nice.

>>53661012
I haven't seen a sallie list. What do they bring besides the Spartan full of Firedrakes?

>>53660943
>>53660976
This is worse than that party at isstvan 3

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>>53660994
models of really old timey dreads were confirmed at Warhammerfest 2017 at least

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>>53660932
No.

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>>53661068
That'd be the Contemptor and the Deredeo. I thought they were going to release the Furibundus, but they released the Leviathan and the Cortus. Both arguably mistakes that further ran the boxnought to the ground.

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All legions report in.
Also fuck rubric terminators, what a pain in the ass these guys are.

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>>53661121
VIIIth reporting

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>>53661086
1991 Contemptors coming through.

>>53661086
There is zero difference between Cortus and Contemptor visually.

>>53661200
>don't talk to me or my sons ever again

>>53661040
I had made a list that was Firedrakes in a regular Raider, breacher squads in other Raiders, and a good amount of flamers/meltas on whatever the fuck could take them. Almost want to go back and do that list just because Sallies are a rare occurrence.

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>>53661200

>>53661218
The Cortus has rules that make it better for melee, namely optional +1I.
The Furibundus is a melee dread, but they decided to release a budget dread and give it the ability to kick non-budget dreads' asses in melee.

Does anyone update the MEGA anymore or do they just post one-off links to new releases?

>>53661218
I think he means it would have been nice if they named the Cortus a Furibundus, or named the Leviathan that. The Fury was an assault Dread. Although the Levi is more visually removed from the Contemptor and Deredo.
>Just want to have a Chuck, Eddy and a Fury
>Fuck you you can't.

What legion is the most fun to paint?

>>53661477
None.

>>53661477
The one you love most.

>>53661186
spoopy

The transit plan I just filed with the Nightfall lists me, my raptors, Archmagos Pavuleer, but only one of you. First one to talk gets to stay on my stormbird!

>>53661068
WHAT. So my dreams of a bangle furibundus can happen?

>>53661477
imo, blue, purple, and green are more forgiving and easier to get contrast into. Contrast = fun.

That's not counting candy coats (clear colors over metallics, like you often see for Thousand Sons or Alpha Legion). Those can be fun too.

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>>53661121
IIIrd Legion reporting

>>53661833
>>53661477
Black is pretty easy too, but more difficult to make it pop and look really nice.

I think that Sons of Horus and Alpha Legion are special in that some people get that specific fucking shade of turquoise or iridescence that just makes them absolute beauties.

True suffering is any of the three loyalists on Terra: Blood Angels (red), Imperial Fists (yellow), and White Scars (white).

>>53662118
Red isn't hard you big baby.

>>53662118
>Blood Angels (red)

True. Can't get the right shade of red I like.

>>53662118
To do black, you just need to know how to highlight properly. Easier said than done tho, since proper highlighting usually takes a bit to learn.

I just want purple Loyalists that aren't fucking 3rd Legion. Is that so hard?

>>53662177
>purple Loyalists
Alpha Legion armour was described as purple in Legion so you're all set.

>>53662177
Well then, you're shit out of luck. There's 3 in black and 3 in red though :^)

>>53662205
Anyone luitenant or higher can make changes to their livery, make your own doods.

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whatre you guys working on

>>53662177
Soul Drinkers, senpai.

>>53662285
Crying into my pillow at night, mostly.

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>>53660915
Fuck no. not on my watch

>>53662389
Who hurt you, Anon? Was it a Spaniard?

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>>53662285
Finished up my Hetaeron and Shield-Captain; just have to seal them.

>>53662285
An in-development possible webcomic about the primarchs reincarnated as teenage girls. See >>53660915 and >>53661079

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>>53660915
your art is bad and you should feel bad

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>>53660915
>>53661079
Jesus, the "styling" and proportions remind me of pic related.

>>53662692
>kill me

Anyone got any links to 'The Last Son of Prospero'? I can't find that fucker anywhere

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>>53662692
That looks painful.

>>53662051
These are like 80% of the way there I think. I think they could use another wash and a highlight.

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>>53662692
>fucking ugly mutant is named "denver"
unintentional banter

>>53662692
It's a rendition of the hooker he ran over.

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>>53662841
I better she looked messier than this.

>>53662205
I thought about it, but aside from not being great Loyalists, I'm not a huge fan of their tactics. I like mechanized shenanigans, but give no fucks about the Iron Hands.

>>53662340
>Loyalists
Anon, please.

>>53662177
Hawk Lords

purple loyalist leaning blackshields

>>53663055
>but give no fucks about the Iron Hands
How dare you. The Iron Tenth is the best.

>>53663175
Mostly it's the borgification fetish. If I could play a relatively non borged 10th Legion, I'd be fine, but since you might as well not bother at that point...

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>>53661121
loyalist WE in a dusty dice tray reporting in

>>53663325
What brass are you using? It looks really flat.

> put his sons into a decimation knowingly and willingly based on absurd and objective reason, wasting perfectly loyal soldiers of the Imperium.

> put his sons into a meat-grinder death trap that is the Iron Cage knowingly and willingly based on absurd and objective reason, wasting perfectly loyal and precious (post-Heresy, mind you) soldiers of the Imperium.

How is Dorn better than Pert again?

>>53663925
He was just pretending to be retarded.

>>53663925
Pert acts like an autistic manchild who is ineffectual, while Dorn is an autistic manchild who makes others do what he wants.

Which Chinaman is best Chinaman and why?

>>53660994
>not buying into the /tg/ fanon and calling them saturnine
Fucking finally.
>sees filename
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53662177
>>53662205
>>53662281
There's also the fact that AL probably have a hundred or more variations on their colour scheme, because fuck you, I'm Alpharius.

>>53663925
Pert is better than Dorn because he only needlessly destroyed 10% of his legion.

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>>53664097
And now I have a reason to post this I have been meaning to post the second I made it.

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>>53664173
>(A)

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Look at what just arrived.

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>>53664585
It's huge looking.

>>53661121
it's the hell you chose

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>>53664585
Is that some kinda... gatling lascannon on the right arm?

Why can't Breachers be equipped with spears?

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>>53664700

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>>53664700
It's an Arachnus Storm Cannon

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>Friends always teasing me about Dorn being dead/missing

>Decide to start deathwatch campaign

>DM runs swulves, asks us to send him our character background write ups

>Decide to trigger him

r8 my character background.

(1/2) when dorn disapeared he actually took refuge in the warp
after many years wondering aimlessly he came in to contact with his long lost brother leman russ

With the flood of memories rushing back to him, the two embraced. I warrior hand shake and a bortherly hug soon turned to more....

dorn held the wolf lords face in his gauntleted hands

and leaned in, pressing his lips to the lips of the king of the russ.
they kissed passionately...

>>53663325
nuln that shit desu

>>53665038

(2/2) warp energies surrounded and penetrating them

dorn could feel russ' unshaven stuble scraping against his face and could no longer hold back

with the scream of a warrior whos purpose had been long lost

he bent russ over and wrenched open the back of his armor. The ceramite plates squeeling as they parted and peeled away
with russ' unshaven ass beared for all the warp to see dorn leaned close to russ' ear from behind and whispered

"youre insistin' on a fistin'" and inserted the entirety of his mailed fist into russ' ass

The wolf lord yowled in pain and pleasure
savoring every tear of his sphincter as dorn pressed deeper.
ever onwards, further into russ' rectum
but dorn had made a fatal mistake...

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>>53665065

(3/2) in his lust, he had forgotten to lube his gauntlet
the trauma of the forced anal and subsequent blood loss sent russ into shock, and he promptly collapsed, dying
he gazed into dorns eyes and with his final words rasped "rogal my brother....It was an honor to meet my end in this way, but i must make a request of you. Return to the imperium and take up command of my sons, the space wolves. Lead them to glory in the name of their lost primarch and the emperor"
and with those last words, russ succumbed to his injuries.

Unbeknownst to the two primarchs, a veteran of dorns own was watching quietly from the sidelines the entire time. Brother Siegwald of the Imperial Fists first company, 5th squad had been observing them through the whole debacle, his 13 inch length, 2 3/4 diameter adeptus custodick in his gauntleted hand the entire time. Tugging to and fro vigorously the whole while. As the final breath of life escaped Russ' lips the veteran could control his lust no longer and released his virulent payload, spattering it across the ornate power armor of the former primarch of the vylka fenrika. He had performed his duty with honor and courage, performing to the standard fitting of a son of Dorn. He would later return to his chapter where his story would spread, earning him many honors, including an appointment to the deathwatch....

>>53665038
>>53665065
Epic troll XD upvoted
Somebody buy this man a gold

>>53665099
write a better story you cunt

>>53665115

edit: Thanks for the gold kind sir! But please dont guild me! Instead donate to a local charity of your choice!

edit: Fuck you anon

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>>53665038
>>53665065
>>53665087
You could write better lewdfiction, if only you actually tried.
>>53665115
Easily done:
>Never as one of the tallest AL femarines have you ever thought of yourself as something special. You are what the Unbroken Chain needs you to be.
>"Gonna get changed, Eris?" interrupts the Mistress of Signals, getting in your way. You nod.
>"Give this to High Command for me when you see them, will ya? I need to get going" she tells you as she places a heavy briefcase in your hands...before cuffing you to it and darting away.
>You are startled by the sudden buzz of your helmet's vox: "This is legion High Command. Wielder of [Bleep], report to our Femarch's chambers IMMEDIATELY". Damn Mistresses, you could swear they can feel incoming transmissions before they're even issued.
>...
>Up in the ship's dorsal section, the elevator's doors open and you're dazzled by the marvelous sight of the anteroom to Alpharia's private chambers.
>"Submit all your equipment and go through the scanner", a servitor embedded in the wall orders you.
>You let go of your combi-melta, meltabombs, poison spheres and power dagger, and unclasp your power fist. You release your power armour's locks
>"Keep your armour on", you hear Alpharia say over the speaker. Her familiar voice sounds eager with anticipation.
>You comply and step in the dimly lit room, the door closing as soon as you enter.
>It is empty
>"Lockdown initiated. Communications blocked until code input"
>The briefcase opens on its own, and three ridged bars fall to the floor. Before you can realize it and despite not knowing what they are, you find yourself locking the bars together despite the complex joints. Your hands are shaking and your pulse accelerates.
>Suddenly you begin to remember, and look up to see a fellow legionnary identical to you without her helmet, gagged and with a visor on, her armour locked.
>You drag her down and whisper in her ear
>"Assuming direct control :^)"

>>53660969
Yeah, I'm going to need you manlets to move over, my Big Book of Astartes 2.0 just came out and I'm all about big guys now.

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>>53665141

I had to have it to him by tonight so I tacked the end onto a story I already had.

Sorry for the poor writing, anon.

How do people generally feel about playing against Orbital Assault lists? It is fun or not? I am considering build an all drop pod list, but I seem to remember unspecified rumblings about it being a dick move.

>>53665352
Pods are fine, although the can be a hard counter to boring-ass artillery and gunline lists and can get boring to play against for others. If some ironfire rider gets butthurt, well, their problem, not yours

>>53665352
Pods are ok as long as you're not playing some sort of gunline list, since they'll inevitably get upset because you're not playing into their cunning plan to gun most of your forces down before you can reach his.

>>53660890
I know its a weird request, but does any one still have that picture of a Sister of Silence that's wearing a strapon that looks like their transport?

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>my body is ready
>but he sent me a box naught claw instead of a contemptor claw

>>53666546
Enjoy your nubby-armed dread.

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Beep bop

>>53666546
>Ordering just jump packs
Anon pls. I must know.

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>>53666340
It's not that weird.

>>53666860
same, i must know

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Is there any character that can even remotely control our boy Chadguininus?

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>>53667318
>>53666340

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Holy fuck. Custodes why.

>>53664764
>dreadnoughts of THE THE horus heresy

Oh forge world...

Also:
>no regular contemptor
>no deredeo
>no castaferrum

>>53667342
Nope not a one.

>>53667375
Is that a 100mm base on it? or 130mm?

>>53667342
Fagnus could if any of the writers actually knew what an alpha+ psyker is supposed to be able to do.

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>>53667342
Define "control"

>>53667505
>My legion is not Executioners
>Day of Revelation intensifies

:'(

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>>53667567
It's not an execution if you cry, anon.

>>53667607
Wonderful

10/10

>>53666860
>>53667319

Z

>>53666747
What's that, Arvus cockpit with a techthrall wired in? Is somebody actually going to use my Droplite tactic or something?

Looks good, anon. Is that the Greenstuff World cable making thing?

>>53663925
Dorn did it once, Pert did it as the daily grind.

>>53667607
Thank you AL.

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>>53662118
As much as I enjoy painting my XX, the amount of prep and lack of airbrush can get tedious quick. I got some Rampagers and VI Despoilers to break up the monotony.

>>53663925
Don't you understand anon? Dorn needed to punish himself which is why he went to the Iron Cage, it wasn't some silly decimation thing, he needed to do it for the good of the legion.

t. autistic Imperial Fist fanboy

Am rereading A Thousand Sons to remember everything before going for Crimson King
Could we get a Council of Nikaea poll set up, or is it already generally agreed that the TS did nothing wrong? (Librarians still exist in 40k)

>>53668152
Set it up yourself and post the link here.

I'm making a VIth legion unit, so I was wondering, would they be outfitted in MKII Crusade armor or if MKIII was developed before Russ was found?

>>53668152
>Council of Nikaea poll
If you want to, but the only vote that matters is the Emperor's :^)

>>53668152
Nikea was actively sabotaged by Lorgar and his accomplices. Librarians were never a problem, Sorcery was a problem, and the incident at Nikea showed the TS had long lost control of their own actions and decisions.

The TS's and Magnus should have been consigned to Terra under the watchful eyes of the SoS, the Imperial Fists and Custodes, helping guard Terra to have some use. They didn't do anyone good by sitting on Prospero.

>>53668196
I imagine that the SWs would be tied with the WEs for the most 'fuck it, who cares' legion regarding armour marks. Crusade armour looks good but Iron is cheap and plentiful, I imagine as one of the Emperors favoured legions they would have had a reasonable amount of MKIV too, maybe not as much as the traitors or IFs and BAs but still enough to kit out squads.

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Ultramarines are the best legion

>>53668239
>I imagine that the SWs would be tied with the WEs for the most 'fuck it, who cares' legion regarding armour marks.
I'll add Dark Angels to the mix
>Back then we didn't have armour "Marks". We just called it "powered armour", and it was good. It's still good. As long as it is a 3+ save it's good for me.

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>>53668243
they are unironically the best at what a legion is supposed to be and do.

>>53668257
>>I imagine that the SWs would be tied with the WEs for the most 'fuck it, who cares' legion regarding armour marks.
>I'll add Dark Angels to the mix
I meant with regards to who gets what rather than the legion having a large amount of different marks. The Lion being as tactically autistic as he is I imagine that every Dark Angel is issued with the correct suit for them to do their job if supply allows, so breachers get MK3, Seekers and Recon get MK4, line marines get what is available at the time etc.

Space Wolves and World Eaters generally give fewer shits about tactics so there wouldn't be as many hang ups about having the right armour for the job.

Is there any fluff about the Imperial Fists and Dark Angels working together? I imagine that they would work well together as legions and their Primarchs would form an autistic crusader crew.

except for that time that Dark Angels champion kept trying to goad Siggy into a duel and Siggy was just like 'fuck off m7'

>>53668243
A shame they have the worst primarch

>>53668213
This; I adore the TS and think they had noble intentions at heart, but lacked someone to help them with clear guidance as Magnus was busy trying to live up to his father's examples.

If they had been allowed ot work under the watch of Terra, things would have been fine and the HH would have gone VERY dffierently.

>No Magnus striding out the gates of the Palace to tear apart traitors with Custodes, Fists, and TS all around him
>No TS being rewarded admirably in the Big E's eyes

True suffering. Magnus was a good soul at heart

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>>53668243
>In the later years of the Scouring, the Unmarked would continuously see assignment to operations removed from the main body of their brethren; even Guilliman seemed averse to their company on campaign, perhaps seeing in them a reminder of days now lost. Eventually, the Unmarked would be among the first of the Legion to be renamed and separated during the Second Founding, and remain perhaps the truest reflection of the Ultramarines of old

>>53668452
Were the Unmarked marines who missed the Clath muster?

>>53668441
I know it was just a Forge World joke, but I would 100% have gone to Tizca university if it offered mundane courses. That city looks super comfy even if the planet isn't, and it's going to have absolutely awesome libraries. I wouldn't be surprised if before the Wolves showed up it was Space Oxbridge with a whole bunch of Magi and Adeptus Terra/Rememberancers around.

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>>53668243

Best primarch you foul pleb

>>53668464
yes, any Ultramarines who didn't fight on Calth, especially the moment Veridian went bad and scorched the planet is considered the Marking, as even mortals who fought during that war were considered "Marked". The Mark of Calth is both on the surface and soul of a person, as it burnt his skin and roughed his spirit.

>>53668477
UMs were the best legion even before they found Robot

>>53668452
Holy shit this hurts my soul to read.

Makes you actually feel terrible for them.

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>>53668474
>tfw you will never watch the sunset on Prospero with a dusky skinned qt psyker gf while drinking wine from Ahriman's vineyard while you get free healthcare courtesy of a bunch of power armoured muscle wizards
Why live?

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How can other legions even compete

>>53668562
By not getting chopped in half by the Worst Bearers

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>>53668562
By being the best.

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>>53668562
By poisoning Calth's sun

>>53668588
Dear el Capitan Autismo, please stop posting.

>>53668606
Erebus is weaponized smug.

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>>53659423
dAMN THESE FEEELS THIS SHIT IS WHY I WENT ROGUE FORTREIDON MY DARLING MY LOVE MAH BOIII WHYYY

Seriously, posting that page should be fucking illegal

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>>53660890
>>53660722
So he's dark brotherhood?
>>53658966
He didn't do it out of anger tho>>53659027
>covfefe
>>53659318
>perty forgotten yet again
>>53659746
>Commissar sir, the inquisitor said we needed to engage in lewd acts to draw the daemon here to then trap it
>guardsman, the inquisitor is long dead

>>53668796
>replying to a bunch of useless stuff from the last thread
Unless you are replying to stuff from the end of the last thread immediately at the start of this one then don't bother.

>>53665163
S-s-slut!

>>53666177
>he plays gunlibe without anti air flakk
Would decimate 4 3

>>53667375
Manlets when will they learn

>>53662140
I'd rather paint white than red.

>>53668822
>not being so autistic you can't deal with the fact that you wasted all your time talking to people you'll never meet

Guys. I really want to make my Iron Warriors into an Orbital Assault army. y/n?

>>53661186
Can you get a better light on those models??

>>53669001
>Golg
>teleporting terminator troops
>drop pod leviathans
>drop pod phosphex quad mortars and laser rapiers
>perturabo and teleporting tyrant bodyguard
100% danger close

>>53669009
>Night Lords
>needing better light to see them
kek

>>53660943
>>53660931
What happened?

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>>53667342
Two people, pic related.

>>53669087
>IVIIIth
it's XVIIIth, also Istvaan happened

>>53668837
Personally I'm entirely neutral on pods, since sure, my artillery is a bit fucked, but he just fed my otherwise out of range/LoS backline guns a free squad and if my artillery is not 100% dead I can fix it.

>>53667607
Oh sweet Emperor yessss thank you Anon for making this

>>53669097
Why can;t they catch a break though? I know ISV3 I play Salamanders, but I think something happened in 8th edition fluff??
>>53661046
>>53660943

>>53669047
ma nigga

>>53669127
black guys die first

Nah I don't know really, some Heresy era Salamanders were teleported to Cadia during the 13th Black Crusade only to be quickly slaughtered by Abaddon but other than that I don't know since I stopped paying attention to that shitpile.

>>53669218
>Heresy era Salamanders were teleported to Cadia during the 13th Black Crusade
They were Ultramarines.

>>53669239
oh yeah, I just read the fluff again, Salamanders were there but it was only the ultras that were heresy era.

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So, when they eventually make rules for him, how do you think he'll be?

I'm not really sure myself, but probably cheesy bonus about speed in general, and about his own stats, probably the highest WS among them, and probably I too

>>53669315
Highest base I or be able to increase it.
Grants Outflank and/or Scout and/or Counter-Attack to [stuff] and himself.
Just power armour with invul but has a fixed save if in melee due him doing backflips and handsprings and spinning-bird-kiks and stuff.
WS that can see him get Ld +1
Can start the game with Shrouded.

>>53669315
WS8 BS5/6 S6 T6 W6 I8/9 A5/6 Ld10

I'm reckoning 2+ save and a 5++ invulnerable that increases if he has moved a certain distance or charged that turn or something similar to Fulgrim.

More attacks based on I difference.

Sire of the White Scars increases charge distance and initiative or alters reserve rolls maybe?

Things like outflank and counter attack might turn up somewhere.

>>53669315
Lion should have the highest WS, he was able to effortlessly parry attacks Guilliman couldn't even perceive. Sanguinius should be fairly close tho.

>>53662592

I agree, Eric

>>53669377
Precisely are still left 3 of the, at last in my opinion, best swordsmen of the primarch apart from Fulgrim.

Lionel, Sanguinius and Khan all should have pretty high WS

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Guys

Hear me out

What if Lelith is the daughter of the Khan? Long hair, check.
Absurd speed, check
High WS, check
Smoking hot, check
Appreciation for taking trophies and works of art, check

GUYS

>>53669410
Those three are going to be off the charts considering what FW did to Russ.

>Lion
>the armour of the forest, for every successful to hit roll you can hit an enemy model with a branch

>Sanguinius
>blood armour, for every successful to hit roll your opponent must draw a pint of blood from themselves

>Khan
>horse armour, for every successful to hit roll your opponent must fap to MLP porn

I don't even know, I feel with Russ and Magnus FW really topped out with how powerful a primarch can actually be on the table top, so either Lion, Sanguinius and Khan will be fairly underwhelming or the other primarchs get a tweek to bring them slightly more in line. I mean Angron is still W5 with a 3+ save, ohh great 6+ FNP, who gives a fuck.

>>53669442
If she were, shouldn't she be like a lot bigger?

Funny idea anyways

>>53669460
Her ass is so distracting she counts as having plasma grenades. She's plenty big.

>>53669508
Then CONFIRMED.

>>53668562
Not my fav legion by far, but gotta say, UM's are the best

>>53668606

I want to take his face...off.

>>53669532
Angelus Special Edition: Lelith
Origins
Personality
Dat Ass

>>53669530
Dammit there is too much IW bait in this thread

>>53669001
That's the second best build anon?
>>53669009
So you can see his shitty chaos space marines?
>>53669315
I10 on the charge, hit and run, pinning shells, kustom jet bike

>>53669442
Would the Khan approve of her drug use? :^)

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Is this tactical or overladen, and where are you actually supposed to put the extra bolter mags

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>>53669717
They are not drugs but combat stimulants
>>53669724
Cont

>>53669724
>>53669730
overladen imo, those ammo pouches and the pistols are way too big for the model.

>>53669840
The holstered pistol is smaller than the normal bolt pistol.
If I just drop the ammo pouches do you think I'd be good?

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>>53669315
This should be his model, what a sick modeler made this.

wow

>>53669315
JAGHATAI KHAN, The Khagan, The Great Khan, The Warhawk, Lord of the White Scars,
Points 385 WS8 BS6 S6 T6 W6 I8 A5 Ld10 2+ 5++

The Dao of the Warhawk S: User AP2 Master-Crafted, Hunter's prey
Hunter's prey: When warlord traits are chosen Jaghatai Khan may choose one enemy unit, when in close-combat with that unit, or in a challenge against any Independent Characters attached to that unit at the start of the game, Jaghatai Khan may re-roll failed to hit and to wound rolls.

Cloak of the Warhawk: This armour provide Jaghatai Khan with a 2+ Armour save and a 5+ Invulnerable save, in addition it gives Jaghatai D3 hammer of wrath rolls.

The Quings: Jaghatai carries three of these mighty spears
Quing Range 12" S8 AP1 Assault One use only

Special rules:
Bulky
Eye of the Hurricane: When Jaghatai is the Warlord he adds +1 to the roll to determine who gets to deploy first, the first reserve roll per turn, and seize the initiative.
Primarch
Preferred enemy: Infantry
Sire of the White Scars: All models with the Legiones Astartes (White Scars) gain +1 Ld. In addition all models with the Legiones Astartes (White Scars) gain the Outflank special rule, any that already had the Outflank special rule may assault the turn they come on from reserves.
Skilled Rider
To sip from the cup: All White scar psykers within 12" of their Primarch may re-roll any number of dice on a psychic test, but only if this avoids a perils of the warp result.
Jaghatai may take Dawn's First Light for 70 points, this is a Jetbike with a twin-linked heavy bolter instead of the usual one. It also looks a lot cooler than a regular jetbike too.
In games of 2500 points or more the Khan may include Timeless Expanse as a dedicated transport for Jaghatai and the unit he joins during deployment for 285 points. This is a Land raider Phobos with the Fast vehicle and It Will Not Die special rules and the Armoured Ceramite and Extra Armour upgrades

>10k years later the Salamanders are still struggling to break 1000 marines
Is their geneseed spectacularly shit or are they just super lazy?

>>53670365
None, it just shows us how badly the lore can be written by GW

>>53670365
They don't want to put people for the gruelling process of becoming a space marine

>>53670414
Space marine numbers didn't make sense in the first place, nor does land war on such a scale make sense when you have fucking space ships

>>53670334
I, TOO, WISH TO GO FAST

>>53670365
>>53670414
>>53670415
>>53670428

I SUSPECT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH SALAMANDERS CONSTANTLY PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE TO SAVE THE ORDINARY HUMAN BEING, WHICH MORE OFTEN THEN NOT GETS AN ASTARTES KILLED.

UNLIKE THEIR HATED BRETHREN THE MARINES MALEVOLENT, WHO MORE OR LESS ONLY DIE WHEN INTENTIONALLY ENTERING A SHITSTORM.

>>53670458
pls no yell

>>53670365
Salamanders take a longer than normal amount of time recruiting and training their initiates, more akin to an apprenticeship (since they're also training to be smiths) than the more efficient spartan training most other chapters use.

Pretty much entirely ceremonial, and it ends with the recruit making their own weapon and killing a salamander, as the emperor and vulkan did.

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>>53670458
You have been reported to the Warmaster for a waste of Imperial Air, what say you in your defence. So as to prevent an instant decision of guilt, do not shout or use more than 200 words to articulate your point

>>53670527
They sound like morons. The galaxy needs more Astartes.

>since they're also training to be smiths
That's not your job, retards.

>>53670527
>killing a salamander,
This is obviously the real reason, the number of marines is directly related to the population of an animal, and marines are outside the ecosystem.
So they have to make sure there are enough salamander animals to continue the species breeding over and above what would naturally exist so they can ritually cull them every few years.
Therefore they also have to cultivate the food chain so that the salamanders can be supported.
Therefore they also have to protect the salamanders from natural disasters, plagues and famines so that they don't drop to threatened levels of population.

There are so few Salamander Astartes because they spend at least a quarter of their time involved in complex animal husbandry and wildlife conservation projects.

>>53670584
That's adorable.

>>53670334
>shitty Unification rules

>>53669724
>>53669730
Anyone else's opinions?
>>53669840
As I said remove just the ammo pouches and it kosher?

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>>53670334
wow man, you sure put some effort in there
Sounds awesome

>>53670700
Move the pistol a bit further away from the back of the knee so that it doesn't obstruct his full range of movement.

>>53670689
>Unification rules
What did he mean by this?

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>>53670754
So something like this, where it rests on the cable connecting foot and leg
>>53670909
It misses gear he got during the great crusade

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>>53662285
Something similar! That looks great, btw.

>>53668369
If they did work together it would most likely be uneventful as they would both most likely act like professionals to bring that world into compliance

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>>53668486
I liked the bit in Know No Fear where they said that the "Mark of Calth" also refers to the official commencement of the battle, and the associated record and time keeping that goes along with it.

And that it's still running to the present, and will keep running until every Word Bearer is dead.

>>53668562
>How can other legions even compete
If you want to get technical, the Custodes are a 'Legion' as well.

>>53671199
>If you want to get technical, the Custodes are a 'Legion' as well.
And there's a bunch of titan legions.

>>53671199
I always laugh when the Custodes get all their hype as being peerless melee fighters worth a hundred lesser men when they then show up with swords and a distinct lack of heavy weapons other than a few dozen tanks. And ten thousand dudes maximum. They may be worth five hundred scrubby guardsmen each if the Guardsmen bring no heavy support and never decide to just leave rather than swarm him in melee, but with the resources it takes them to get a their enhancements and equipment you could send WAY more armoured units and about as many shitty Revenants as you want. They're more a single division than a Legion, really, although they may be about right for an old Roman Legion. At least a Titan Legion has thousands of Secutarii, Mechanicum helpers and their own navy included in the asking price.

>>53671199
>>53671223
AND THEY ARE ALL INFERIOR TO THE GLORIOUS ULTRAMARINES OF ULTRAMAR

>>53670933
He... Wasn't around for the Unification? None of the primarchs were?

>>53671305
They're bodyguards first, not meant to prosecute longer campaigns.

>>53670254
Aside from the sword and the hair style, it's not actually that bad (also Genghis Khan was said to have red hair, so yeah).

Whatever they make, hopefully he has 2 head options, since his big lion-faced helmet is pretty cool.

>>53671312
>didn't turn up till after Terra was won
>superior to anyone
Pick one.

>>53671333
>since his big lion-faced helmet is pretty cool
It's a dragon face.
>ever getting primarch helmets from FW

>>53671313
I think Unification is the name for the dude who wrote those rules, plus rules for the Emprah and Malcador and a bunch of other stuff on 1d4chan. Not the time period for the guy.

>>53671324

Somehow I completely forgot that. The Custodes guy at the store talks them up to the point you'd think they were all Archmagi as well as fighters and could stab spaceships to death. It gets a little tiresome, my bad.

Remember that dude who wanted his Custodes to all be psychic and each of them to be an elite group within the Legio Custodes where their Sentinels are equal to the baseline Custodes Tribunes. How many layers of snowflake do you need?

>>53669094
>Another chad tier primarch with the backing of four chaos gods, also those chaos gods would have happily dumped Horus for some of that Angelic Booty
>A literal God

I'm okay with this.

>>53671305
Except the Custodes have tanks, transports, flyers, and basically everything they need. Their 'maximum' is a reflection that they take so damn long to make, and are so difficult to, that the Emperor found it easier to just keep them balanced at that, rather than expand further. And as the other anon said, they're not meant to prosecute longer campaigns.

Not to mention that like space-marines, there's a lot of non-quantifiable traits that are ignored on the tabletop. Namely that their minds are as 'perfect' as their bodies making them all superb strategists and tacticians. And beyond even space marines, they're immune to the psychological effects of facing daemons, and the taint of Chaos itself, to the point that they're almost impossible for a daemon to possess and take control of. If those 500 guardsmen were thrown into the webway to fight for 5 years, they the mental toll would be as devastating as the physical.

>"It is not enough to take from an enemy their life -- rather take from them also their places of safety, their allies, their homes and their loved ones. Crush all those in their care, lay their chattels to waste and then drive them alone and naked into the darkness. Take everything they have and burn it for the mere pleasure of seeing the ash crackle between your fingers, and call it nothing more than a beginning."

-Jaghatai "I haet Dark Eldar" Khan

seriously, it couldn't have hit a nicer guy, literally got his own medicine fed to him.

>>53671428
>How many layers of snowflake do you need?
I don't mind when my opponents give their characters special OC donut steel fluff because it makes them getting slaughtered by my faceless dime-a-dozen beepboops even funnier.

>>53671312
peak vs peak as in
>250k Ultramarines
vs
>10k Custodes
Ultramarines win

>>53671428
Unification is a user on 1d4chan who copy and pastes community rules there, he did not make all of them. He used to use a trip but then the Awoo fest ruined trip users integrity

>>53671606
Peak Custodes would include the Emperor, who BTFO all 250k Ultra singlehandedly.

>>53671659
emperor is not part of the Legio Custodes

>>53671428
Hah, those guys always make me kek because it's so painfully obvious they don't know shit about the... flavour, if you will, of the faction. They're bodyguards, champions and philosophers created, equipped and trained for protecting and accompanying the Emperor. One of them can solo most things in the galaxy we have any real lore on, and probably a lot/most of the things we don't, but you won't see one of them taking on heavy tanks or (arguably, depending on loadout and specialisation) an Archmagos.

The support options in the Talon army list reflect this. Lots of fast, highly advanced vehicles vanishingly rare/so rare as to be unique to their organization. When they DO take to the field, they aren't merely the top of the spear, they're the tip of a spear made out of power-bladed scalpels that's being thrust by the Emperor Himself, punching through any defence imaginable with few or no losses and then moving on, because more so than even the Astartes they CAN NOT afford to get needlessly bogged down, and they CAN NOT fight a war of attrition on their own. That said, when circumstances force them (and they have allies to hold the line while they smack down the greatest threats) they excel as always. The Mechanicum held the Webway with SoS support, and with several Titans smacking down the greatest (in size, at least) of the enemy horde and devastating large gatherings, the Custodes systematically squished the enemy elite.

If any of the anons here max out their Custodes fluff, delete it and start again, beginning with their flaws and weaknesses, give them unique characteristics that set them apart but aren't necessarily all good. Not sure if headcanon, but I think Custodes are made to look good? Maybe that Shield-Captain's face got sprayed with molten metal when a glancing plasma bolt hit his face plate.

Why Fulgrim didn't finished Roboute and fucked off for 9000 years?

>>53671606
>>53671659
Hmm. The Emperor isn't part of the Legio Custodes though, so he's out.

10K Custodes have a significant technological advantage over the Ultramarines, and obviously they wouldn't just slug it out on a field. Honestly the Custodes would probably close with great speed and then carve up the Legion's command structure in melee, where their advantage would be overwhelming and the Ultramarines' numerical and ranged superiority (which was never in question) couldn't be brought to bear effectively. Even if Guilliman can take on fifty or more Custodes single-handedly (and that is a BIG if) I doubt he could take on, say 400 of them.

I think the Custodes would win. A thousand Custodes cut down some 100K Orks at the battle of Gyros-Thravian in instants, and even if that only translates to, say, 5-10 Ultramarines depending on where they land and the individual skills of the combatants, they still obliterate tens of thousands of Ultramarines in a minute or less of the start of the battle/disembarking their transports.

Of course, I'm basing much of my argument on the Custodes either teleporting in or managing to get sufficient numbers into the Ultramarine forces before being blasted by artillery and heavy ordnance, which seems very likely to me, given what we've been shown of both forces in existing lore.

Thoughts?

>>53671705
If you want to good piece of background, in master of mankind a custodian get to Facebook essentially ripped off and he lives

>>53671800
Bobby G's honour guard pulled a Marneus Calgar ten millenia before the swarmlord made it famous and teleported his near-corpse into a stasis field. Now he's off fucking chaos booty on a slaanesh world somewhere

>>53671866
Why are Ultramarines such bitches when it comes to fighting things with four swords?

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What would you do with her

>>53671934
Marry my sweet xenowaifu and turn her to the Emperor's Light

>>53671916
The anti-quad-arms maneuver is not contained in the Codex Astartes, obviously

>>53671966
I wonder if Gorillaman included it in the Codex Restartes

>>53671934
Purge her for being a filthy xeno and denying humanity's birthright just by existing.

>>53671934
What am I looking at here?

>>53671983
Still unlikely, the Codex Imperialis involves the follies of universal healthcare and the importance of giving three marines in marine-equivalent crisis suits two heavy bolters each

>>53671845
The Custodes aren't made for combat of that scale. The Ultramarines' superior coordination would mess them up.

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>>53671916
Fear of getting anal rape

>>53671948
>>53671995
>>53672011
A model and what you could possibly use it for you perverts, some eldar counts as, or is there something in the fluff that fits it

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>>53671428
>>53671532
>>53671705
There was a guy in one of 40K General threads a week or two ago, who was talking about his Custodes army's personal fluff. It was bad. Because they were the super-secret prototypes of the Custodes, whom the Emperor ordered destroyed because they weren't perfect enough, and not protect him from the shadows since they're too loyal to betray him, even after he ordered their death.

Ya know guys, I honestly thought I was pushing things too far with my own idea until I read shit like that and the other skub that people are putting out there. My own idea being the one where my Shield-Captain and fellow Custodes are the Emperor's ceremonial executioners who fly around the Imperium executing high-traitors and other criminals of an extreme nature where it suits the Emperor's purposes to have a direct hand in the deed (and who sometimes have to kick in the victim's door and kill everyone who stands between them and the condemned while doing their job).

I really did think I was overdoing it, naming their squads after methods of punishment, translated into Latin, deciding they travel on a ship named the Censor (one of the first 3 prison ships ever used by the British Empire). But now I see that my inner-snowflake was nothing compared to the hail storm some people have tried to be. Especially since when I make up shit like the greentext below, it's from an autistic desire to have things as neat and filled out as the FW does it.

>Title (formal): Legio Custodes conclave Lex Talionis
>Banner Imperialis: Executioners of the Imperial Household
>Cognomen (informal): Ruina Regum ('The Fall of Kings'), The Golden Axe, The Emperor's Headsmen

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Guard of the Crimson King

Preator = 220
ML3, power fist, refractor field, digital lasers

Praevian = 100
Volkite charger, melta bombs
Attached Vorax = 160
2 vorax, frag grenades, bio corrosive rounds

Sehkmet Cabal - 265
2 power fists
Sehkmet Cabal - 270
1 power fist, 1 chain fist

Legion Terminators - 185
2 power fists

1200

Everyone's Pyrae

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>>53668879
This :^)
:'(

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>>53669530

>>53672204
What kind of shit point level is 1200, why would you take a praetor and praevian instead of maggy or ahriman, why would you take a praetor with refractor field, why would you take legion termies instead of sekhmets ever

>>53671532
I agree with you there, there's a reason I use Satarael Counts-As as my Archmagos just to max out the armys expendability. No Lords of War, either, unless we're playing like a 4k game or I'm against more than one enemy LoW. Nothing like seeing one of those 9 Legion-specific terminator, Primus Medicae, Chaplain, Primarch Spartan Starkiller Base units finally catch and beat down my Warlord only to gain nothing whatsoever apart from an explosion to the face.
I can't wait for my 40k Skitarii to be at the point where I can take on the store prick and his abomination of a Custodes/Grey Knights/Ultramarines mix with Guilliman, if I ever get the chance to own Guilliman with Neutron Lasers or sustained grav and Arquebus bombardment I'll have made my army's fluff worth back infinity times over and I don't care how many losses I take first.

>>53672174
I do that. Yours looks pretty cool, they're not unnaturally OP or anything, they just have a cool name and some jobs to do. I have the whole command staff for My Dudes filled out, at least to the point of naming all the HQ slots and Lords of War.

>>53672174
But anon, the Space Wolves are the Emperor's executioners :^)

>>53672045
It's not rape if it is you who are crying
>>53671934
>What would you do with her
Cry at her ->>>53667607
>>53662389
Ah, a true son of the Angel. Inject this anon with the geneseed, quick.

>>53668796
>perty forgotten yet again
Pert was left out intentionally. Flipping out and setting the galaxy on fire because you didn't get enough praise disqualifies you from best primarch status.

>>53662741
She's a big girl

>>53672279
Fuccboi he seems interested in having fun.

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>>53669730
>>53669724
Kek, not even close, anon.

>>53664764

Forgeworld has pretty shitty quality control when it comes to writing lol. How the fuck did this get past them?

>>53672441
>Forgeworld has pretty shitty quality control
FIFY

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>>53670689
They're good rules, and if you don't like them you can always suggest changes. Most of the WT were written by us, and he compiled them.
>>53670909
He meant the one who is no longer with us.

>>53672174
That scene in MoM in which Valdor executes that Terran aristocrat lady makes that sound completely plausible.

>>53672174
Some people may have great imaginations, but they just don't fully grasp some of the background restrictions that are more or less set in stone unless there are very clear exemptions or examples.

As a fellow Custodes player I make sure my fluff works, but at the end of the day they're still Custodes and still just a taskforce; no matter how flawless each warrior may be, they still must meet limitations of lore. Yeah, my Custode Tribune is meticulous, favors Dreads because he has a soft spot for their desire to fight on, he prefers diplomacy first, and yeah he's a monster when he gets into combat, but none of that places him above anyone else. It's easy to go overboard, it's hard to keep grounded.

>>53671428
>The Custodes guy at the store talks them up to the point you'd think they were all Archmagi as well as fighters and could stab spaceships to death
But they can. Even Space Marines can. Even Rogue Traders can.
Everybody fucking can, as long as the novel focuses on them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yf-19RM-jw

>>53672329
>I do that. Yours looks pretty cool
> I have the whole command staff for My Dudes filled out, at least to the point of naming all the HQ slots and Lords of War.
Thankyou.

In my case the squads each have a name and a general role within the whole pageantry of the executions, such as the Sentinels' job being to actually protect the condemned, so that noone kills them while they're being marched to the chopping block. The Sisters of Silence squad, 'The Hangman's Daughters', have the honour of standing watch over them, and interrogating them if need be, until the hour of their death. The Hetaeron Guard stand as official witnesses for the Emperor and the Imperial Court, and so on through a bunch of other roles that I haven't completely ironed out. Finally the Captain and pair of Dreadnoughts will have a roll of names each a couple-dozen segments long (and in fluff longer, but I'm not researching hundreds of appropriately legendary names).

Ironically, Ixion Hale's paragon spear would be kinda perfect for my eventual HQ model, but I don't actually want something axe-like, and will probably end up using Constantin Valdor's model for him anyway.

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>>53672663
Anon, when you the guys, are you a rules lawyer?

>>53672430
Where do you put the bolter ammo pouches
>>53672357
He only tore down Dorn's inferior walls
>>53672491
He is here but just doesn't use trips because of said Woof

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>>53673022
>Where do you put the bolter ammo pouches
Everywhere (anon never finished that model)
>He only tore down Dorn's inferior walls
Lewd
>He is here but just doesn't use trips because of said Woof
u.u

>>53662177
>Is that so hard?
In a pseudohistorical game where the major armies have established color schemes, yes, it is.

EC or AL are really the way to go.

Failing that, you could do White Scars with purple trim instead of red, or barely-purple Space Wolves (purplish-gray), or purplish-black Raven Guard. Blackshields are an option, or a wildly divergent chapter/company of any of the loyalist legions but that's a little weird.

>>53669450
Sang's hands are going to be S:D on sixes.

>>53669377

While chasing him around Imperium Secundus, apparently the Lion also managed something like 0 and 12 getting clowned in scraps with an openly trolling Kurze, and couldn't even handle him 3v1 together with Roboute and Vulcan with Curze crippled by injury and malnutrition...


He might be the best when he's in control of the situation, but Lion can't cope with being put off balance. I wouldn't give him the highest base WS. Maybe when he meets some conditional modifier rule, but not straight out.

>>53674426
>couldn't even handle him 3v1 together with Roboute and Vulcan with Curze crippled by injury and malnutrition...

What the fuck, how?

>>53674598
Batman pulled Batgod stuff, honestly.

In all honesty Curze is probably the undisputed master of hit and run tactics and has absolutely nothing to lose.

Crazy people are the scariest and deadliest fighters.

>>53674625
Didn't work on Sanguinius. What happened there?

>>53674686
Sang has the high ground at all times.

>>53674686
Curze wasn't there to kill Sanguinius. He only defended himself. Birdboy even admits that he would have been cut to pieces if Curze was committed to it.

>>53674753
He didn't have his armor if I remember right.

>>53674686
Hawkboy is a literal bibliological antithesis to Curze.

Also Curze didn't commit to the fight; he likes Sanguinius too much to kill him.

>>53674783
Now I want to see an all out nothing to lose Sang fight Curse.

>>53674780
Lewd.

>>53674780
I don't understand why anyone would not wear their armour 24/7. I would if I had one, and was as cool looking as marine armour.
I'd even wear that shit on the beach.

>>53674834
Even the best armour is heavy, hot, and uncomfortable.

>>53674815
It's been pointed out a few times that Curze is scary amounts faster and will easily overwhelm most opponents. Sanguinius even admits that he's unsure if he could beat him.

Sanguinius is more mobile and has the better weapons, and also has the will to keep going that most of his brothers see as nearly divine since Sanguinius basically pulls Anime Protagonist comebacks.

I'd have to give it to Curze flat out, but if Sanguinius is maxed out on his near divinity stuff he wins by just a bit.

>>53674925
With the phantom Titan fluff from Inferno, I think we are in for a wild ride with birdboy come Angelus.

>>53674857
Is that it? Those are all the downsides?

>>53674834
The armor's internal toilet would fill up.
It'd run out of power.
Keeping it on means you have to bench press jetbikes or your muscles will atrophy.
Can't polish the plates in hard-to-reach places.
Can't walk into some buildings without falling through the floor.

>>53671845

By assuming the battle is just their 10000 man blob in one big scrum together, you're kinda missing the part where the legions' whole advantage amounts to being coordinated enough to ensure they're fighting on their own terms. At the larger scale, logistics and infrastructure easily end up overshadowing hardware quality.

Remember that orbital platform incident in Master of Mankind? The one where the Sagittarium Gaurd (on jetbikes no less) blew effortlessly through every defender they met, but with the time and resources in place failed to prevent the Fists from carrying out what was effectively a major palace breach?

>>53667863
Interesting. He never sold jump packs when I had still ordered from him. I stopped after he fucked up two orders and the things he didn't fuck up were terrible casts.

>>53675107
>>53675117
Lern 2 lore

Seriously, its well established that power armour "lifts itself" by using the artificial muscles and fusing with the wearers nervous system through the black carapace.

>>53675139

Now that I think about it, the fact that the Custodes only noticed a giant problem in low orbit by <i>looking at the sky</i> kinda sums it right up.

Please gib Crimson King audiobook.

>>53675117
Awww shit.
Not to worry, you just change to armourjamas for the night

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>>53660915
>Not posting the superior version of the fem-archs

>>53675139
They aren't a massive blob because that means they're killing less Ultramarines. Their numerical advantage and strategic ability doesn't matter if its 250K vs 10K, the Custodes are going to spread out and kill a dozen or so Astartes in a minute or less each. Let's be EXTREMELY generous and say that on average they only kill 3 dudes each. That's still 30K Astartes dead in seconds, and the battle has only just begun.

If we're talking a WAR as opposed to BATTLE, the odds remain in favour of the Custodes, since EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is, at the VERY minimum, a decently capable commander. They work together instinctively and can individually take on 3-4 Astartes at the same time for hours, dying only when the occasional blow sneaking past adds up with the others to kill them.

If the Ultramarines go full Iron Warriors on the other hand and call in artillery strikes on their own position etc the odds are better for them.

To be honest the only faction/army in 30K I'd trust to sqush the Custodes would be the Mechanicum and, possibly, the Imperial Army. They both bring the kind of absurd numbers even several Legions together can't hope to match, and they both have access to tech that can kill even a Custodes, Mechanicum moreso than Army.

Basically, Astartes Legion can't take the Custodes because while they outnumber them a dozen or two to one, the Custodes are elite enough to make up for the difference the same way Astartes routinely win battles even further not in their favour (numerically). The Mechanicum have the right mix of numbers and weird shit to bog the Golden down while focusing them down with artillery, plasma and stuff, but the Legions have the numbers and high enough individual superiority to best the individual Forge World if a whole Legion is smacking them.

Custodes > Astartes > Mechanicum > Custodes, basically.

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>>53675389
>>Not posting the superior version of the fem-archs

>>53674815

Curze doesn't take a fight until he knows he's in your head. All out vs all out i think Sanguinius can take him, but if Curze is able to get under his skin planting doubts and distractions, it's another story.

>>53675771
Reading into it more. Nothing happened because they were both precogs. Kind of odd that Vulcan could still hit Konrad, but Black Library is going to Black Library.

>>53675392
>If we're talking a WAR as opposed to BATTLE, the odds remain in favour of the Custodes, since EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is, at the VERY minimum, a decently capable commander.
I would've said the exact opposite, especially when the legion you're comparing them to is the Ultramarines. Their expertise is individual and small battles, the kind that matter the most when you're a bodyguard and personal executioner sort of force. They don't even coordinate very well at the squad level.

Their equipment advantage could be decisive - I'm not saying they'd necessarily lose. But I'd trust the UM to produce better warcraft.

>>53675960
He didn't dream of that :^)

>>53675392
The Custodes might have an initial advantage if they teleported in but the Ultramarines would be able to outmaneuver and isolate them. Custodes can't stand up to sustained bolter fire and legions have heavy ordinance to assist them. The bananamen would get bogged down and shelled to pieces. They performed well in the Webway against berserker World Eaters who can't into tactics but the 13th would cut them apart. They just aren't made for warfare at that scale.

>>53675392
You missed my point. How'd everyone get to that big fight, for starters? Bearing in mind the Legions like to monopolize Mandeville point access around battlezones and the 10000 don't even have a fleet, I'm thinking the Custodes won't exactly have the luxury of their forces being in place and on schedule. Or arriving at all, pretty often.

>>53676002
Reminder orks were kicking Dorn's, Horus' and Mortarion's collective asses and 10000 Custodians saved them with only 3 casualties.

>>53675960
Curze also isn't sure he could take Sang. Especially because he knows sang's death.

>>53676044
I'm not involved in the discussion, Mech player, but given Mandeville Points are literally surrounding the entire system because it looks a bit like Elite's Mass Lock IIRC I don't think they'll have trouble getting in. Getting anywhere near engagement range or boarding without being cut to pieces by superior ship numbers, that's more tricky.

>>53675960

Oh in their actual meeting, totally. I meant hypothetical-fair-fight odds.

>>53674625
>>53674753
>>53674925
If Curze is so great how did Lion pull a Bane and break the bat?

>>53676136
Because when two skilled people fight there's always a chance that either of them will win.

>>53676094

That's what a Mandeville point would be if their in-world explaination matched up with what we see in the stories... namely lots and lots of fleets positioned defensively at Mandville points, ships intercepting each other there as they enter system, warp route control revolving around using them as junctures, etc.

>>53676199
Unless BL writes your legion as a bunch of jobbers :^)

>>53665087
the measurements of that cock is hilarious, long and skinny.

>>53676301
It was explained a couple threads ago why your legion is shit, Curze. Literally every part of how the Night Lords choose to operate is retarded and they deserve to lose every time.

>>53676047
1000*

>>53676037
You mean they performed well for five years against an infinite army of respawning daemons that, at the very end, were supported by traitor Titans and Astartes from (if I remember correctly) 3 separate Legions. While the Ultramarines might successfully outmanoeuvre them, but I doubt they'd do it on a scale sufficient to take out a full 10K Custodes. They aren't Iron Warriors with large numbers of armour, ordnance, artillery and special/heavy weapons. Their schtick is being tactically flexible, and I don't think that's enough to outmanoeuvre opponents who are faster, stronger, more skilled, more tenacious, have better morale and are VASTLY more manoeuvrable than they are. They aren't Raven Guard, Blood Angels, Night Lords or another Legion known for being fast or moving about stealthily.

>>53676002
Certainly. There is a lot more to war than beating armies, but I think the Custodes would overwhelm the Ultramarines in almost every individual battle, and that would cost the Ultramarines the war. Against almost every kind of opponent, you'd still want Ultramarines tho, since they can hit more things more often, which is more useful in a full scale war.

>>53676044
The Custodes are individually Lords of the Imperium second to the Emperor and equal to the Primarchs in authority everywhere but in regards to their Legions, unless they're actively speaking on the Emperor's behalf. EVERY fleet is the Custodes' fleet, if you want to be picky and include naval elements.
Regardless, I was talking about a smackdown-fight between the two armies on an equal playing field, sort of thing, since >>53671606 said "peak vs peak" and the usual debate about those things pitch the sides in a "void"

>>53676356
They didn't JUST deserve to lose :^)

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>>53676299
Then more like Uplift Saga Transfer Points, then. That makes more sense.

I've had a taste for space opera recently. Uplift trilogies, then Iain M Banks Commonwealth books. Makes me want to make a Prime Immotile Magos or terrain piece, although I suspect nobody here has read either of those series. Has some pretty sweet xenos in it and a cool genetically-programmed detective lady.

>>53676047
Orks fight the same way Custodes do - individually. Custodes are a good counter to them.

>>53676356
I'm not Curze, you scatter brained kakophoni. What part of ":^)" didn't you understand

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>>53676470
Orks were also a counter to three Primarchs together, it seems :^)

>>53676470
What? They only do that when individually challenged by what they consider worthy opponents, otherwise they just rush everything in mobs 100+ strong.

>>53676101
They both seem unsure if they can beat each other. Interesting. Can't wait for Angelus.

>>53676561
I mean that units of orks don't fight in a coordinated fashion.

>>53676136

He spent 2 years blue balling him with autistic circular redeployments that just perpetuated a mutual defensive stalemate out in mutually worthless space. The VIII ran out of patience and yolo'd in just to get things over with.
Kinda like how Sevatar ended his duel with Sigismund...

>>53676561
He's saying each ork in a mob fights on his own without taking others into account for battle plans.

>>53676581
>>53676591
So nothing like Custodes, then? I mean, sure the Golden fight separate from each other and typically don't expect or give help, but they're still in cohesive units with excellent battlefield co-ordination, you know? They fight like teams of cmaphions, not a mob of uncontrollable savages or worse, Night Lords

>>53676620
*Champions. The humiliation, it burns... I am unworthy of the Emperor's light...

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>>53676620
To me, they go forth and kill stuff. And they're damn good at it: if it works then it isn't stupid.
>>53676650
It only mattersif youcare abiut it

Custode wanking is almost as bad as anything to do with the Space Wolves.

>>53676898
Why does everyone hate the goddman jiffs?

I mean, they have theyr things going on, but idk, they are kinda cool, maybe

Ok Russ is an asshole, but Vikings in Space!

>>53676930
Mostly it's their hypocrisy and bleed-over from 40K.

>>53676898
It isn't wanking if it is the Golden.

>>53676930
I will concur that 30k space wolves have all the style and appeal that I wish their 40k pups had.

>>53676930
Because they're fucking lame.

I've uploaded a bunch of 40k shit, the goal is to create a more complete single library that is regularly updated

https://mega.nz/#F!gaBiVTKI!HTOuNx5zzNxHqT-ny-AU3A

>>53676582
That's an interesting way of saying "they were ambushed and got their shit pushed in"

>>53677140
You say tomato, He say Night Lord

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>>53676984
>It isn't wanking if it is the Golden.
This
>>53676930
Because they're speshul snowflakes that are too cool for rules, and my rune PRIESTS are different, and why should I learn gothic? You learn Fenrisian :DD
It's not too comforting that their defense is "at least they aren't 40k Space Wolves". But the concept of space vikings isn't bad.

In the Bolter & Chainsword forums, ADB says that Alan Bligh's plan was to convert 30k to 8th edition with minimal delay. That's why initial word from FW was that it'd be porting over. Now he's gone, and that is THE reason that HH is sticking with 7th. ADB says that it wouldn't have crossed Bligh's mind to think it couldn't be done - it's not a structural issue. Just as FW came up with its own force org charts and refused to adopt 7th's "everything scores" rule, it could have added rules over 8th as required.

But now that it's not up to Alan, plans can and have changed. The exact plans are either NDA-protected or still in flux, though.