Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>53674236
First for Vostroyans

Opinions on landraiders in the new edition? They look great and I like the idea of having a hard to kill list.

>>53674283
Vostroyans really do have the best aesthetic for guard in the 40k setting. Old but futuristic looking at the same time. Makes cadians look way out of place.

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Hey I created my first Night Lords Themed List what do you guys think. I don't know if I have enough antitank I was thinking about replacing the havocs with some predators.

>>53674394
cadians need:
mirrorshade visors on their helmets
short sleeves
armored gloves

and they'll be fine

With the change to blast and flamers what's the most efficient way to deal with mobs?

I'm guessing just large flamer units right?

>The new IB means that Tyranids without Synapse play themselves
>Tyranids are literally an NPC army now

>>53674442
I think the best way to deal with mobs is chainswords assault looks so good, because you double your wounds against mobs with the morale system.

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How are scions in 8th? Did they get any noticeable buffs? Are they finally viable as a full army?

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daily reminder this edition wasnt playtested

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to get this orange what color should i use? a base of averland sunset and then?

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>>53674523

>>53674236
11th for reminder tourney fags can't into writing decent faction focus articles.

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>>53674544

>>53674441
>Mirror shades
Definitely

>short sleeves
Maybe

>Armored gloves
What?

I think they've got too much of that generic-modern-looking-light-infantry aesthetic that would be at home from now until whenever. Vostroyan and Krieg have great aesthetics in that they look old but sci-fi but wwi but not all at the same time. They perfectly fit the ethos of 40k.

>>53674394

I like Mordian and Scintillan more, but still among the tops.

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>>53674562

>>53674501
They're very good. Taurox prime and valkyries are quite good.

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>>53674584

>>53674439
The Idea with the List is to deepstrike the termies, and raptors in so that they can rapid fire with their plasma, and combi-plas. Then the sorcs cast warpspeed on the deepstriking units to move them and get turn 1 assaults. The helldrakes are beasts because they can move 30 fire the flamer then assault with s7. The only problem I see is that there is not enough anti tank so I don't know if the list could deal with a Knight.

>>53674523
That's not how it works. They can move, shoot, charge after disembarking.

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>>53674599

>>53674605
Please, just ignore him.

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>Range is a factor in Overwatch meaning that if you charge a unit that has a flamer (8" range) from a distance of more than 8" that flamer can not hit you.

>The aggressor has the choice of taking those flamer hits on the charge or charging from further away and rolling higher.

>Ork's "'Ere We Go" rule allows them to re-roll failed charge rolls meaning that Ork hoards have a better chance of charging from a distance of greater than 8".

>As backup can spend 1 Command Point to re-roll a die just in case you don't make the charge.

Where's yer Emprah, now?

>>53674605
Transport ejects troops before it moves, transport can get closer to enemies, transport gets into combat when they don't. Not hard to understand.

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>>53674619

>>53674236
Question: Is anyone else here gonna be picking up the rulebook? Or is there gonna be a app loke AoS, with all the basic rules?

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>>53674670

>>53674632

You cannot reroll a reroll

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>>53674632
>Rerolling a die twice

>>53674670

This is more an argument for why flyers shouldn't be in a 28mm game.

>>53674676
I've ordered it for my library but I don't plan on ever playing 8th ed.

>>53674624
>reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>53674568
Scintillan are great, wish they had models. Same goes for Geno 5-2 Chilliad.

Again that old but sci-fi with traditional but not appearance all at the same time.

>>53674544

I recall how in 4th edition the obliterators would have required a leadership check to shoot anything at all past the first guardsmen that wasn't a tank

>>53674741

I miss my 4e nids

>>53674646
Right, but it doesn't account for what else the infantry can do. Not hard to understand.

>>53674741
Imagine if we still had that rule.

>>53674700
>roll two dice for charge distance
>x and y
>re-roll x with 'Ere We Go
>re-roll y with Command Point
>grow your charge distance by up to 10" with this one weird trick.gif

>>53674624
...I kinda miss Fabius Bile btfoing titans.
Oh well, maybe I'll like the next shitpost meme better.

>>53674565

I agree that vostroyans are the breathing image of what I consider 40k human infantry but I think there's room for cadians too

The plastic kit is unbelievably out of date but forgeworld cadians look really cool

>>53674690
>By orders of Lord Guilliman, Ultramarine chapters have been issues containment spheres manufactured by Cawl
>Tyranid can be contained within them compactly as well as having their mind altered to follow their captor's orders
>Ultramarines use these new Tyranids to combat other tyranid and capture them or simply acquire biomass and improve them
>By the Emperor's will all of them must be captured

>>53674501
>Did they get any noticeable buffs?
commander gets two orders if he has his pimp stick
volley guns are a flat four shots
taurox gatling bumped up to 20 shots
10-man scion squads get four special weapons

not a bad haul, all considered

>>53674762
You're missing the whole point of the issue... and that's sad.

>>53674771
'Ere we go rerolls both dice not just one anymore and only on a failed roll.

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>>53674777
You mean these guys?

>>53674690
>After losing the 3rd Tyrannic war, the Hivemind reeled from a mixture of outrage at the victory of lesser species, the loss of so much biomass, and the rapid influx of new knowledge.
>However, a strange mixture of the genetic data stolen from Ultramarine Geneseed and a sliver of intellect thrown off by the Hivemind created something entirely new; Hivefleet Ultramar.

And thus, the Ultramarine's biggest fangirls were born.

>>53674542
Interested as well

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>>53674827

The command squads have entirely resin casts and are made in the same scale as kriegers, so they look really good; the company commander especially

There's just something about a gas mask, peaked hat, cape, power fist and haughty power stance that looks great

>>53674670
Top zozzle

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>>53674885
Yeah, I think they look awesome too. I am noticing a trend here though, the best Guard models (Krieg/Vostroyans/Elysians/Those Cadians) all have gas masks. Anyone else just think gas masks always look badass?

>>53674283
I'll never get tired of seeing the guy in this trying to club a blueberry with his rifle

>>53674501

Scions are arguably the best/most efficient troop in 8e and Taurox Primes are IG's most efficient vehicle. Scion + Taurox Primes as the center of an army with some conscript screens + mortars + something fluffy/fun will be very competitive.

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>>53674945
yes

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>>53674800

>>53674523

The playtesters were smart enough to not charge their transports into CC where they become basically useless.

>>53675050
GW actively encourages doing this, and have stated that the playtesters are the ones who think this is a good idea.

>>53674542
Averland washed with fuegan id say

8th haters plz go and stay go.

7th sucked, we are glad it is gone.

>>53675104

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/new-warhammer-40000-transports-may21gw-homepage-post-4/

One tactic we’ve seen used to good effect already is to then use the Transport to charge in alongside the unit into combat!

We’ve seen already that vehicles can charge and fight in melee like all other models, and while they might not be the kings of close combat, they are generally pretty durable and can soak up the firepower of enemy units in overwatch before their potentially more fragile passengers make it in.

>>53675155
Just because 7th sucked doesn't mean something worse had to take it's place. What's stopping them just saying "you know what let's just go back to 5th ed".

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There was a picture of a crimson fist primaris marine at warhammer fest. Does anyone have a link to a picture of it?
Trying my best to find it again but no such luck. It's had a great colour scheme and base I want to try and emulate.

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>>53675008
Guard will finally be played like they're on the Ostfront

>>53674542
I'm guessing, but I think it might be flash gitz yellow with a white or near-white (dorn yellow maybe) edge followed by a glaze of reikland flesh shade or something. Maybe a yellow glaze as well.

>>53675178
8th isn't worse. It's better by far. Fucking quit if it's such a problem for you.

>>53675104
Once the infantry is in cherga distance, the transport has fulfilled its duty. So it can do just one more thing: absorb the overwatch fire in stead of the infantry.
Once its has done this, the infantry can charge without fear of the returning fire, as the target unit is already engaged with the transport.

So, yes, it can be a good idea.

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best nids list, tell me why otherwise

>>53675208
>if you dont like the new rules STOP PLAYING MY GAME YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY MY GAME ANYMORE REEEEEEEEEEE

where did these people come from /tg/

>>53674670
...wat

>>53675228
>not taking 500 termagaunts

>>53675220
Except the infantry has to get out of the transport before the transport moves, so the transport is in a much better position to charge, and completely defeats the point of a transport, which is supposed to take units closer to the enemy.

>>53675232
It's not that you don't get to complain, you can do it all you want but you must realize it will accomplish nothing. GW doesn't care about you, they want fresh blood.
The reaction to 8th has been overwhelmingly positive.

Deathwatch Kill Team 400
Veteran x4
+ Frag cannon x2
+ Heavy thunder hammer x1
+ Storm shield x1
+ Plasma pistol x1
Sergeant x1
+ Storm Shield
+ Power fist
Terminator x1
+ Heavy flamer x1
+ Power fist w/ meltagun x1
Biker x1
+ Power axe x1
Vanguard Vet x1
+ Inferno pistol x1
+ Plasma pistol x1

And it's without counting the Watch Master for the To Hit reroll

>>53675255
best nids list within reason*

>>53675234
flamers automatically hit flyers because there's nothing to say a flamer weapon can't target a flyer, so they have no penalty to hit flyers, you know fucking planes, with flamethrowers

>>53674236
Opinions on Predators? I think my list could use some fire support, are they a good option?

>>53675279
God, making a Deathwatch kill team is pricy. Is it worthy in your opinion ? I wanted to add it to my army to get some vehicle/monster hunting capability.

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What does a Screamer-Killer sound like?

>>53675273
>The reaction to 8th has been overwhelmingly positive.
GW Social Media employee detected.

>>53675272
Why would you not move the disembarked unit? WHY!?!?!?

>>53675327
lol yeah, I'm totally a GW employee.

:P

>>53675327
>WAAAAAH WAAAAH SHILL SHILL
kys

>i'm actually thinking about getting a CSM SC! Index bundle

I don't NEED the bodies, but having a proper Hellbrute and an extra termi lord/sorc would be nice. Plus, the bodies would let me go to a 20man melee blob since the HH boxes can only be used as bolter guys.

Having a physical index for one of my three armies would be nice, too I guess, even though it doesn't actually save me any money. WHY DO I ALWAYS HAVE THE URGE TO BUY MORE SHIT?

>>53675327
So I'm a GW employee, also? Where is my money?

>>53675327

It generally has but this is less to 8th being a masterpiece than it is that 7th was a fucking disaster.

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>>53675323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jm_eUQSYAk

Truly terrifying.

>>53675327
>ANYONE WHO LIKES GW IS A GW EMPLOYEE

So whats the new 1850 format?

>>53675308

Quad lascannon preds are optimized as fuck tank and monster killers

Autocannon heavy bolter preds are pretty good and versatile

>>53675178
>8th edition
>Worse than 7th
You still mad about needing to sell your tourney list army?

>>53675273
>The reaction to 8th has been overwhelmingly positive.
pretty sure this is a direct quote from the GW responding to bad PR manual

>>53675323
University students screeching.

>>53675327
Mostly because the salty tourney faggots are busy bitching in their containment forums and shitposting for ad revenue.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/07/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-harlequins-june6/

>>53675273
>REEEEEE DONT CRITICIZE GW

>>53675273
absolute Shillary

>>53675273
how much are they paying you anon

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>>53675273
>overwhelmingly positive

welcome to 4chan how are you enjoying your first day

/tg/ doesn't speak for the 40k community at large, it's actually really small compared to the number of people who play 40k.

>>53675329
How slow are you anon?

Infantry are slower than their transports, otherwise there would be no point taking them.

The transport gets closer to the enemy than the infantry does, so it's more likely to get to charge.

>>53675232

For me it's more that I consider anyone who would genuinely prefer 7th edition 40k to 8th either

A) probably has a mental illness of some sort.

B) started during 7th

7th edition 30k I could understand, but 7th ed 40k bled about 60-70% of its player base from 4-5th. After 17 years of 3rd editions sins against god people were ready for a change.

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>>53675540
most major 40k forums have shut down and banned 8th ed discussion because its reception was so negative some of the discussion was bordering on conspiracy to commit murder

the 40k community is funny

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what's you guyses standing toward those new Index-Books? Will you buy them or at least those most relevant to you? or would you buy them, if you had the monies? Some anons were already mentioning that the first real codices are to be released pretty soonish, so I am in doubt....

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How big are gal vorbak? i really like the models but i wanna use them as spawn, would the size be close to a spawn?

>>53675560
Who could possibly like an edition which brought back rules people wanted for years, made some armies viable after years of shelflife, etc. Now here's the trick, you don't know if that statement refers to 7th or 8th because they both did the same fucking thing.

How do other people feel about Orks?

Leadership boosts look good. Cost of transports went up which looks bad for many units. Waagh being always on is great. With cost of transports going up stormboys look even better, plus they got a points drop. Warbikes are more expensive but have 2 wounds, lost any form of bonus save (exhaust cloud)

Green tide seems like it will be too slow with mv 5 and transports costing more means boys still look to be a bad option.

>>53675596
I mean relative to old codexes you get them for cheaper and with more in them in terms of units but I'd rather just print out the pages than buy the book.

Can someone explain to me what is the point of a Vindicator in 8th? for Chaos specifically

So it can only kill 6 Ork boyz if you get extremely lucky due to no overspill damage, and is also too random in shots and inaccurate to bring down anything heavy, AND it's range is shitty

Why would you ever take one over Havocs?

>>53675603
They look to be about 30x45

>>53675596

I preordered the BRB for the first time ever because I actually wanted a physical book for once, but I don't know that I'll be purchasing hard copies of stand-in books when I own armies spanning 3 of said books.

Just got my first onager dunecrawler. Is it worth going to the effort of making the icarus array swapable, or is a choice of three guns enough?

>>53675008
Definitely adding to my scions to run them with my krieg army.

>>53675596
they're badly written, broken in some places, and they'll be replaced in months

so i'll use the ones i got online for fucking free

>>53675618

you should seek help

>>53675647
From what I've seems the Vindicator is only good against T5 and Fortifications, and even then it's questionable

>>53675624
Orks are being shelved until new codex, or 9th edition, anon. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

So what do people intend to do? Grudgingly play 8th but whine about how it sucks the entire time?

>>53675596
Not going to buy them, I got the money but I'd rather buy more miniatures and wait for the codex.

>>53675576
Source?

>>53675737
Play 7th or literally any other edition, what do you think. Just because some fuckboys write a shit edition for quick money before their company becomes obsolete doesn't mean we have to play it.

>>53675678
future proofing your stuff is never a bad idea, considering the current unreleased rules are just temporary stand ins

>>53675760
heres the thing about people deleting stuff anon, the whole point is there is no source

>>53675737
play 7th

>>53675737
fuck that ill stick with 7th

>>53674584
Assaulting flyers with jump infantry is fluffy and a great way to deal with them though
I would consider this one a plus

>>53674447
Nah, Tyranid player still controls their movement so he can easily manipulate them into the right positions to take advantage of IB rules.

>>53675273
>The reaction to 8th has been overwhelmingly positive
Does no one remember the first week of AoS were everyone liked AoS then realized how boring and shit it is?

>>53674542
That looks like Averland Sunset with a warm brown wash on it like Seraphim Sepia, or possibly Reikland Fleshshade

>>53675796
It seems like it would be pretty easy to link to popular 40k forums and notice that they don't have an 8e section.

>>53675802
Those aren't jump infantry anon.

Some flyers don't have the "fly" special rule, so anyone on the ground can assault them at any time.

>>53675737
ive been playing 5th for years using community codexes and balances, i see no reason to change

>>53675737
I'm just going to play 7th with friends, no one I know wants to play Age of Sigmar - Future Edition.

Heck we still play WHFB. AoS is just a bad rule system anon, and you'll never convince us to play it.

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Guys, I've got a question.

Due to a recent "accident" involving a lot of alcohol, I've aquired a small collection of IG models.

I currently have in my possession:

- around 25 kasrkin models with different special weapons (might use them as either veterans or scions)
- 3 chimeras
- 2 valkyries
- enough bits and metal dudes to make 2 command squads + some commissars
- a few tanks, 2 leman russes, a basilisk and a manticore/deathstrike
- some heavy weapon teams

The question is, how do I turn this into a viable, army centered around elite & mechanized infantry in the 8th edition? Any lists/recommendations?
I've enough of my budget left to buy a couple boxes if necessary.


P.S. NEVER browse Ebay drunk.

P.P.S. It was worth it.

>>53675817
Which Fliers don't have this rule that aren't the Heldrake?

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What makes a better core for 1k pts army
- 2x Nurgle half of Dark Imperium for DG
or
- 2x Start Collecting / Start Collecting and Armoured Assault for T'au/Nids?

>>53675737
Play 7th with 8th models and hope staff dont notice.

>>53675848
>>53675829
>>53675811
>>53675798
>>53675796
>>53675765

Okay so we'll never see you at any tournaments then? Excellent.

>>53675858
One Dark Imperium set of Nurgle stuff is almost a thousand points by itself.

>>53675765
>some fuckboys write a shit edition for quick money
I'll take what is 7th edition for 100

>>53675798
>Salty Level : Faggot

>>53675817
It's the Airborne special rule, not Fly. Fly isn't a special rule, it's a keyword. Also "special rules" are called "abilities" now. Do try to keep up.

>>53675811

What? Dude AoS being announced was a fucking free for all bitchfest, AoS was not positively received until the generals handbook came out

>>53675871
In depth response anon, tourney fag detected

>>53675737
As a person who actually enjoyed 7th edition, despite all the hate it gets here, I have to say, so far the 8th has been fucking fantastic.
Most haters here are people who haven't played a single game yet, and are just shitposting cuz muh 6 riptide list is obsolete now.
btw can't wait for the new codices.

>>53675851
Harpy despite the fact a Flyrant DOES have Fly. Flyrants have legs, but they have Fly. Harpies don't, yet they don't.

>>53675765
>he's such a stupid faggot he thinks 7th is worth playing
>he thinks GW is becoming obsolete after seeing massive growth over the past year
>he thinks the pre-orders for 8th edition alone haven't already BTFO every other wargame for the rest of the year

>>53675893
Online sure, but at my LGS at least everyone was excited and played it for awhile, then it died and never recovered. Cause it was BORING. The new edition is already so boring and cookie cutter, I give it like a month till everyone is bored of the army books.

>>53675874
Yeah, I know but probably more Marines and extra drone would be better that Poxwalkers

>>53675728
Wow, fuck that then, way too specific i've never seen anyone take a fort beyond the Aegis line

Seems like 8th is designed to fuck over IW fans, all our favorite units are either dogshit or just weak for what they do

I might go back to Khorne, seems like daemons are more helpful

>>53675811
>Does no one remember the first week of AoS were everyone liked AoS

Not really no. AoS was relentlessly shit on from the beginning. Both for completely discarding the Whfb setting and for completely ditching the unit block based gameplay that had defined it for decades.

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>>53675926

>>53675851
The heldrake has fly it just doesnt have the minus 1 to hit from things that dont have fly. Also the heldrake is good its t7 with 12 wounds and heals every turn can move 30 shoot and assault

>>53675419

1850 was always a dumb points limit for people who couldn't bear to have a list that can't do absolutely everything.

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>>53675929
>at my LGS at least everyone was excited and played it for awhile, then it died and never recovered. Cause it was BORING
Well mate, your LGS is not the whole world. My LGS AoS playgroup is as big as 40k one

How many points does the new stormsurge cost in 8th? I'm reading the leaks but 180 cannot be rightl

>>53675419
The new tournament standard is 2000 points, maximum 3 detachments.

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>>53675850
>anon gets super wasted, gets on his computer and buys an army on ebay

Gotta say, the concept itself made me giggle.

>>53675871
>playing the game in the most autistic way possible

Oh no, you're right, what have we done. We're sacrificing so much. Etc.

The next time I want to spend 40 minutes watching an obese mongoloid literally shit himself in protest of a judge's decision about his interpretation of a rule which should have been FAQ'd but hasn't been because GW are retarded and watch him flip the table destroying my models in the process, I'll go ask the special kids at the school nearby to play.

>>53676001
180 base plus you pay for all of its weapons

>>53675850
how much was it you degenerate lush

yes i'm jealous

>>53675850
Stuff 10 (2x5man squads) kasrkin and an officer into each chimera, maybe throw in a primaris or astropath if you can. Take the basilisk, manticore, and a russ. Should be about 1000pts, battalion detachment. It's not a really efficient list but you'll be fine.

>>53675871
>B-B-BUT YOU DONT GET TO PLAY IN TOURNAMENTS HAHAHA I WIN

who the fuck plays in tournaments

>>53674394
would love it if the new plastic guard infantry are based on the vostroyans. Would even be fine if they just released an updated cadian kit. because the current cadians and catachans look retarded.

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>>53675871
I genuinely, honestly, could not give less of a fuck.

>>53674945
I think it's partially because making faces look good on a 28mm model is a lot harder than making a good looking gas mask.

>>53675624
Orks look very stong

>>53675850
I would buy some sentinels. I think biggest mechanized guard downfall in 8ed will be melee, especially charging transports.
You can move away from fight, yes. But your tank loses shooting phase. In last game my leman almost lost 2 shooting phases because of one dumb DE raider. I was lucky dealing 7 damage to him on overwatch second time he charged me.

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>>53675971
yes anon, but unlike every other "fly"ing unit in the game, the Harpy doesn't have the special rule Airborne. so the keyword means exactly jack shit, since no rule ever refers to the keyword.

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i know you can be just below the point req, but can you be like 1 point over? my list is 1851

>>53676098
The Winged Tyrant doesn't have Airborne either. Follow the fucking reply chain.

>>53676098
>rules mean jack shit because I don't like them

>>53676105
no

>>53676105
Talk with your opponent. I'm sure most wouldn't care. Tournaments wouldn't allow it.

>>53676098

Is this bait? This is bait, right?

spawn good now?

>>53676105
play power levels if you can't do math

>>53676045
160 quid, quite a steal, considering the plastic is only assembled and most of the metal dudes are stripped.
The guy who sold it was propably just as drunk as me.

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Does Sammael seem better on his jetbike or Sableclaw for 8th?

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>>53676045
Chinaman is working on making custom Kasrkin using Scions and Hostile Environment Cadians and wants to release them by the end of this month. Says he'll price them below regular Scions too.

>>53676098
>no rules ever refer to the Fly keyword
>what are the core rules sections that specifically refer to the Fly keyword in calling out they can move over units and terrain and can shoot after Falling Back
>what are the airborne rules on flyers that let them be assaulted by models with Fly such as the Harpy
Just stop being fucking retarded

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>>53676135
>>53676128

Where would i drop the point or so here? Swap Farseer for WL?

Vanguard Detatchment (+1CP)

HQ - Jain Zar 146pts

Elites - 10 Banshees inc. Exarch w/Executioner 172pts

Elites - 10 Banshees inc. Exarch w/Executioner 172pts

Elites - 6 Fire Dragons inc. Exarch w/Fire Pike 144pts
Batallion Detatchment (+3CP)

HQ - Avatar of Khaine 250pts

HQ - Farseer w/ Singing Spear 120pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts
3 Walkers w/2x Scatter Lasers 273

3 Vypers w/Bright Lances and Twin Shuriken Catapults 283

>>53676167
take Conscripts instead

>>53675273
>The reaction to 8th has been overwhelmingly positive.
This is actually true if you look anywhere else. The initial reaction to the leaks was people REEEing that their armies work differently now, then that kinda settled down as people worked out what kinds of combos would be strong.
The only negative things I've seen about it are the memes pointing out that some of the abstractions are silly, but that's never not been the case.
Everyone at my LGS is really excited, we're even getting monthly tournaments going again and a lot of people are buying new armies, including some people who always wanted to play but never did during 7th.
I thought it was dumb at first, too, but now that I've watched a few battle reports and had time to digest the rules, I'm realizing 8th is actually pretty good.

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>>53676098
Fly is actually the one keyword with attached base rules. See "Falling Back".

>>53676105
>>53676167
2000 points is the new 1850.

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>>53676197
Says who

The Harpy and Tyrant not being hit on -1 and being chargeable makes sense because they would see prey approaching and move in to meet it. the Tyrant would want to get to grips with it's target especially if it's a hero unit, knowing the importance of killing them

The Heldrake is the same because it's a berserk daemon monster being challenged by approaching enemies, so it hovers down to tear them apart

This is the reasoning, this is why they can both charge shit also.

All fliers that are actual machines however should have the hard to hit rule, and i've yet to see any that don't

>>53676190
Except for, you know, the fact that since the leaks stores have been empty. Mine included. We made £20 today. That's the lowest our store has ever made in 10 years of business, I checked.

>>53676105
No. The matched play rules actually specify now that you CANNOT go over the limit.

Also nobody plays 1850 anymore, it's dead. Use 2k if you're planning on tournaments.

>>53676197
>>53676240
You can barely fit anything into 2k anymore.

>>53676211
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/14.page

>>53676211
Says the ITC guys who playtested the edition and literally decide what the standards are and every other tournament follows their lead.

>>53674523
How is that not a valid strategy?
If your problem is that the Marines don't react: you're wrong, they can charge right after (and even before). And if you want them to shoot and not charge... well, don't charge the Rhino, use it as a mobile cover.
>>53674544
And of course, being able to snipe everyone everytime doesn't invalidate entire armies and playstyles, right? Or is your argument than hiding characters IN a unit was fluffier than hiding them BEHIND units?
>>53674562
the third one doesn't die of a heart attack, he flees/falls back with the corpse of his sergeant so that he can be put into a Dread/hides in the corpses of his brethren to ambish his foe after the battle is over. There are dozens of possible explainations actually.
>>53674584
This one is just plain false, it could have been if it was Stormboyz instead since they get the Fly keyword. The fly keyword seem to be given only to flyers and jump/jet packs, for which it makes sense. What a coincidence!
>>53674599
>I don't like the change of rule so I'll say it's dumb
Eat shit. Just because your toys changed doesn't make it less fluffy.
>>53674619
this is probably the most accurate of the lot, though you'll have to use the base for that, and it's going to be a mess moving all those enemy units just to do this pretty unfair move. I'd say it's legal but ugly.
>>53674670
...or maybe the flyer shot his missiles way before, and they just explode as it passes above them. Actually, there's not even a need for simultaneity since you play all your turn before the enemy can move them anyway.
>>53674690
Wu Tang Clan is so absurd that it's no wonder they didn't see it. Only an autist could think of this. It will probably be the first thing they FAQ anyway.
Seems like in most cases, you deliberately chose some of the most retarded examples to discredit this edition, while ignoring that these situations (or something even more retarded) could happen in the previous editions. At least you got some (You)s!

>>53676211
The "Competitive play" section of the rulebook. Also the FLG playtesters, who run ITC. Whatever they adopt is likely to become the standard, at least in the US.

>>53676273
>autism

>>53676233
My store has been absolutely full of people, with more coming in than usual. We've got a full spreadsheet of names taking the pre-orders. It sounds like you're the anomaly, son.

Fuck, even here on /tg/ the reaction is like 90% positive. There's like one or two butthurt triptidefags in every two or three threads who throw a tantrum like you and claim the game is dead while their posts are literally outnumbered just by new people getting into the game, let alone all the people who were already playing in 7th that are more hype now.

>>53676273
You're responding to reposted bait, friend. He doesn't care.

>>53676226
also, we can assume they cannot continuously fly with that size. They probably fly for brief periods and the ground troops can intercept them.

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>>53676273
This can't be real, right?

>>53676161
How can I contact this guy?

some nerd at the lgs was saying 1+ saves are a thing in 8th and that would mean complete invulnerability unless there was ap-

he's wrong right?

>>53676254
Says you. My 2k points of nids is a fucking avalanche.

>>53676273
>Eat shit. Just because your toys changed doesn't make it less fluffy.

>t. some faggot who has no idea what Obliterators do in the fluff

Nice display of autism btw

>>53676355
1 is always autofail.

>>53675765
>before their company becomes obsolete
I just figured it out, all the people hating on 8th are just jealous made faggots because now that it's here, no one gives a shit about whatever irrelevant game they play anymore.
Also check out GW's stock prices, it's more than doubled since 8e's announcement, and no other edition has done that before. GW is back and better than ever. Finally I won't be stuck playing these cheap, shitty, objectively worse knock-off games.

>>53676352
Reddit /r/yoyhammer specifically

>>53675624
>How do other people feel about Orks?
Better than before, not anywhere near the hype that some people are throwing around.
>Leadership boosts look good.
Sort of, but I still think the near-immunity to morale from 5-model or fewer units means I'm going to be sticking with minimum size squads for everything except troops.
>Cost of transports went up which looks bad for many units.
The way I see it, the new trukk has got the durability (and speed) of the 7th edition battlewagon for less than the price of a 4th edition battlewagon, just with a reduced capacity and fewer options, which is still a good deal. I kind of suspect that they are planning a faster transport for orks equivalent to venoms or something, because it seems weird they don't get anything speedy. Or maybe they just don't want orks to be fast.
Anyway, it should be possible to co-ordinate infantry and wagons in a 'refused flank' kind of manouver, so I will cope with no more cheap rides.
>Waagh being always on is great.
Meh, if you timed it right, you only needed one.
>With cost of transports going up stormboys look even better, plus they got a points drop.
Stormboyz look very viable now. Lots of them in five man squads.
>Warbikes are more expensive but have 2 wounds, lost any form of bonus save (exhaust cloud)
An overall nerf in my opinion. Still OK, but not the best option in their category any more.
>Green tide seems like it will be too slow with mv 5 and transports costing more means boys still look to be a bad option.
Terrain no longer slows you down, so you actually go faster in some circumstances. Still, everyone else got more mobile, which makes it harder to close the gap. Marines can back off 6" per turn and still hose you down with heavy bolters. You need fast harassment units to cut off their lines of retreat and tie them up while the horde arrive. Fortunately, we have an abundance of them.

>>53676273
1. The point, I assume, which rather dishearteningly most people seem to miss, is that they have to get out of their transport before the transport moves. This means the transport moves 12, or 14 or 16 inches or whatever, and they move 6 or 8 etc. The transport gets WAY closer to the enemy, and the infantry get left behind. Yeah they can both move, but one is a full infantry-move further ahead than the other.

Transports are supposed to carry infantry closer, not kick them out and go charging ahead. As a result, your transport is MUCH more likely to succeed at a charge than the infantry are.

2. The point is if there was a SINGLE guardsman between you and the leader of the entire fucking Imperium, would you shoot the guardsman or fucking girlyman. Obviously the guardsman, he's the real threat right?

3. No, you're right, that makes sense.

4. Not all flying units have fly. The point is some arbitrarily decided flyers can be assaulted by ork boys on the ground with no possible way of reaching them except human (ork) pyramids.

5. True, but it's weird that yesterday an Obliterator had access to different guns, and now it only has one. Despite being a body made entirely of guns... it only ever fires the same gun profile.

6. Sniper-flyers are going to be the most complained about thing in this edition IMO.

7. Those are flamers shooting at flyers. Flamers are the best anti-flyer weapon in the game now because they auto-hit despite not possibly having the range to hit them. That's the joke.

8. It took /tg/ 5 minutes to point it out once the leaks arrived. If they had actually gotten input on these rules (which they obviously didnt) they would have had people pointing this out to them.

>>53676323


Same at my store, lots of pre-orders lots of new interest, people are excited, others who didn't want to play after hearing X faction was awful or watching a game if 7th have started buying and are getting in demo games

>>53676323
Are you in the UK or the US? If you say the US then that makes sense. They don't know any better.

>>53676428
Yeah I thought everyone was already aware we were being trolled by sobbing warmahordes fags?

Infinity is probably going to take a hit too but it will survive I think. Privateer Press is currently googling how to set up a trip wire to pull the trigger of a shotgun while the business end is in your mouth.

>>53676056
>>53676086
Thanks for the ideas.
I might just wait a couple weeks or so, to see how the meta turns out, for now I'll just grab some sentinels for the time being.

>>53676273
>missing the points this hard

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>>53676455
>how to look retarded by pretending to know whats going on, the post

>>53676478
US, and funneh joke.

I think it's pretty clear the UK market is going to thrive as well though considering how packed Warhammerfest was.

Why are there two 40k generals again?

What the fuck are wrong with you people?

>>53676098
What is straffing run? Oh wait it's a rule that specifies Fly ( in that it doesn't work on anything with Fly)

>>53676323
>throw a tantrum
Is not wanting to lose my job throwing a tantrum? Sorry I didn't realize.

>>53675603
Iirc, they're slightly larger than Termis.

Prolly the size of the numarines, actually.

>>53676273
>How is that not a valid strategy?
You dumb ass it's making fun of how you have to disembark before you can move

>And of course, being able to snipe everyone every time doesn't invalidate entire armies and play styles, right?
Can't you agree it's dumb that a unit will shoot that one conscript and not Girlyman himself? Also even if he was in a unit then the wounds would have still gotten onto him, that is how units worked in 7th ed

>the third one doesn't die of a heart attack, he flees/falls back with the corpse of his sergeant
Then why not just have the old moral system, where he would fall back, then auto regroup as he dragged his dead sergeant back to safety??

>This one is just plain false
It's making fun of how the flyers without the Airborne rule can get assaulted by everything, and yes we know the stormraven has airborne before you REEEE too hard.

>Eat shit. Just because your toys changed doesn't make it less fluffy.
The lore for oblitz was they could change their hands into whatever weapons they wanted, also random stats equals boring and annoyingly slow game play

>this is probably the most accurate of the lot
It's making fun of the way targeting works now, shooting the closest person

>...or maybe the flyer shot his missiles way before
Are you autistic? It's making fun of how flamers became the best anti air guns in the game, since they auto hit. A plane like a mile in the air gets hit by a FLAMER

>Wu Tang Clan is so absurd that it's no wonder they didn't see it
Maybe GW didn't even play test this whole edition, and also maybe this just shows how "simplified" rules just complicated things and allows for easy misunderstandings and rules stretching

>>53676491
I really hope so warmahordes players have to be the most obnoxious fucking group of people at my LGS

>>53676521
You may have missed the memo (literally a memo that got sent around) to make sure we know that we don't offer refunds for tickets. This is due to the fact that the majority of people left within 1hr.

>>53676434
What's his name I mean? Is he Z?

>>53676521
Looks like 40k is going to become a US Marketed product soon as if it isn't already then.

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What are you thinking about playing 8th with subfaction (chapters, legions, etc) rules from 7th?

>>53674501
They are undeniably some of the best Genestealer Cult units available.

>>53676233
Mine was jam packed full of people on pre-order day, and our normiebook group went from almost no activity to suddenly having multiple new people and posts per day. Everyone is discussing armies, strategies, mathhammer, and posting pictures of new shit they painted for the first time in... well... ever, really.

How much work do you guys think it would be to convert the genestealer cult models to be from an agri-world, rather than the industrial world that the models appear to be from. I think the biggest issue will the rockgrinders and some of the special weapons (mining laser comes to mind).

there's literally only ONE guy at our LGS who hates 8th and he's the chaos daemon player and everyone hates him and his stupid army.

Everyone else is super pumped.

>>53676254
My 2,000 point slaanesh army doesn't even hit 1,700 anymore

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>>53676664
Hold the fuck up. What?

>>53676664
exterminat dis

>>53674345
Literally die to lasguns

>>53676455
1. That's just shit generalship. If you're that far away don't get out of the transport in the first place. 8th Ed. Disembark rules are a pretty clean compromise between overcharged engines think rush and noone pits assault troops in rhinos ever.

2. It's an abtraction. If there's only one left you can think of it representing his "look out sir" if that makes you feel better.

4. What was a skimmer and what was a flyer was always kind of arbitrary. In 2nd, no skimmers including jetbikes could be assaulted. The basically the only "flyers" that aren't ones anymore are the Heldrake and flying monstous creatures. But for all of them they're basically just FMCs in hover mode. They just removed the option for swoop. All the outright planes are still airborne.

5. 8th Ed. Oblits are weird, no doubt. That's not really a flaw of the rules system though.

6. Maybe. I suspect people will learn how to screen themselves since the flyer has to line themselves up for a few.tuens to do is and they have to physically fit their base in there.

7. Eh. Flamers are still pretty shit at it. Now the Flamestorm on the other hand...

8. Wu Tang Clan please go.

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Anons what are the stats on the GK stuff now? I heard the Incinerator got nerfed pretty hard?

>>53676727
Oh yeah, no more wound chart.

>>53676478
Are you an independent retailer in the UK?

>>53676671
So the people who hate 8th are:
>Turbo-autists who can't understand the concept of abstraction
>WAACfags who are mad because their one trick pony army is no longer an auto-win
Competitive play is back, and it's no longer about spamming some bullshit formation combo that gives you a second army for free, it's about building a well-rounded list and being good at the game. That's the best part of 8e to me.

>>53676719
>>53676707
Genestealer Cults may ally in one Astra Militarum detachment for every GSC detachment.

>>53676727
Literally takes more than 1100 lasgun shots.

>>53676664
kek
>>53676707
Genestealer can take any IG unit (and Tyranid too, if I'm not mistaken) into their army. The rule is there to let you take some interesting tanks, but it is indeed legal to take some stormtroopers instead.

>>53676727
takes 1152 shots on average though

>>53676455
sniper flyers?

>>53676759
I'm an SA for GW. Pretty sure most of the independents are shut now unless you count the likes of Toys R Us selling them at the back.

/40kg/ I need your advice on how to finish out a footslogging Ork army. I am most concerned about the boyz getting kited by units with high movement and particularly ones with fly, like crisis suits. What is the best way to support the boyz from range while they try to deal with cowardly gits? The options appear to be
>Flash Gitz/Lootas
>Koptas/Buggies/Trakks
>Rokkit Kanz/Tankbustas
>Nobz on bikes/in trukks not actually ranged, but can chase units down

>>53676769
I thought it was just units. I'd be annoyed as he'll if they got Orders in addition to all the other bullshit.

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What's the deal with skitari infantry now? Rangers and vanguard equally good? Special weapons worth it?

Got ten vanguard (two arc rifles, arc pistol) and ten rangers (one TUA), looking to split them up into units of five with the addition of another ten models which are waiting to be built. Need to decide what to do with them. Thinking probably fifteen of each, keeping the arc weapons together, two vanguard squads with one plasma each, another TUA to go with the existing one, one ranger squad with an arc rifle, another with my last plasma caliver. That means I need to build two ranger alphas, two vanguard alphas, two vanguard plasma, one ranger plasma, one ranger arc rifle, one ranger arquebus and one more vanguard... who I guess should have an omnispex?

Does that seem viable?

So characteristics no longer cap out at 10 so Str 6 with a 2x weapons makes them Strength 12?

Does that go the same for leadership with orks who now have it based on their numbers, so leadership 30 for a full mob?

>>53676769
I know dis is y I say exterminat dis

>>53676797
The IG stuff is in a separate Detachment so yes, they get orders and everything. They don't get to use the Cult Ambush rules though.

Anything that pisses off WAACniggers and compfags is by default good.

>>53676776
>you have to target the closest unit
>flyers can position themselves basically anywhere
>flyers are allowed to occupy the same space as enemy models as they don't count as being within 1" for assault purposes
>you can literally park your planes on top of characters, 10 miles in the air, and snipe them with pinpoint accuracy, because they're the closest model

>>53676753
read the OP, then apologize for asking such a question

>>53676800
rangers are shit, so are infiltrators

>>53676791
Lootas, Koptas, Bikes. Same as before, same now.

Can someone please explain to me how Tau suits are still not vehicles?

>>53676790
Huh. Then I I guess you have to chalk it up to the UK's traditional WHFB leanings when it comes to Warhammer games. I don't want to call you a liar, but that just seems completely out of step with the reaction elsewhere if true.

>>53676825
Still don't see you posting miniature cheatas mate.

>>53676803
yes and yes, read the rules

>>53676775
GSC and basic Nids both have the TYRANIDS Faction keyword, so they can ally in any ratio.

>>53676775
>>53676797
>>53676807
Because it's detachment based, technically you can take heroes like Creed or Pask.

You could even have the giant brigade detachment, and have asingle GSC auxiliary detachment and it's a legal GSC army.

>>53676835
Infiltrators are amazing.

Rangers right now are kind of shit, although taking squads of 5 with two arquebus might be good for sniping Characters.

>>53676825
anon the guy was wrong about half the stuff he posted, you're either samefagging out of some sense of having to defend your anonymous self on the internet, or wasting your time

>>53676791
You can stuff your Flash Gitz and Lootas into an open topped battlewagon. Keep it far away and they can shoot and move with the Battlewagon's special rule.

If dealing with fly, stormboyz help out and for anyone who might run away too fast just have your warboss advance. His Waaagh! is eternal so you can charge out of advance so long as the unit is within 6 inches of him. And 5 inches plus d6 is a pretty long Advance.

>>53675765
>play 7th
Wow youre stupid

>>53676233
Are you kidding? This is going to be massive. My store has been busy with all the buzz of 8. The only people not preordering the box set or indexes are a few HH fags still jerking off to their templates. I'm seeing people come to the store to try it out that I haven't seen since the switch to 7e.

>>53676825
Hello friend, would you like to get banned today? 1 day might not be enought this time, how about a week? Or a month perhaps?

Any reasons why i must have not 10 csm in a squad? Cause i have only 8 and some chosens, but no heavy weapons

Does anyone have any painting data for the Angels of Absolution? Want to start painting them but all i can give is the image on 1d4chan.

>>53676876
You can just take 8. You just miss out on some weapon options.

>>53676355
1+ save is possible, but 1s auto fail. Essentially a 1+ save can render you immune to ap1, but whether you save is 1+ or 2+, 1s are still getting through the armor

>>53676839
The UK has been playing the game for a lot longer, so the majority of it's UK playerbase is much older than most others, which means they have a lot more to compare it to.

Because GW doesn't let them play older editions of the game in store any more, they just play outside of the store, which means they buy their shit elsewhere too.

We lost a huge chunk of our playerbase when WHFB got turned into AoS, and the same thing has happened now they've done something similar to 40k.

It's as simple as people don't like the rules, and GW won't let them play anything else. We've tried having after-hours games where we do lock-ins so people can play older versions of the game, WHFB included, but the tills shut at 6pm sharp, so we can't sell anything, and they only ever come in for lock-ins. The best we can do is encourage them to order stuff off the site, but that doesn't make our store any money.

>>53676815

What units are even sniper fliers.
Are there even any good ones?

>>53676791
Literally Stormboyz are the best anti flyer unit in the whole Ork list.

Big Gunz are also stupidly cheap points wise and can deal with vehicles. Traktor kannon can also snipe planes

>>53675050

Unfortunately, a tank that's just an empty block with a Stormbolter can charge and clog shooty troops without fly.

The troops then need to either stay in combat or fall back, either way losing a turn of shooting.

>>53676897
But whats actual reasons of doing this? Only my collection?

>>53676869
US or UK?

>>53676879
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Angels_of_Absolution

>>53676908
>people dont like the rules
But it' objectively better than 7th so far?

>>53676800
Don't be so stingy with the special weapons. you should have as many of them in each squad as possible.
arquebuses are meh because there's no armorbane anymore, everything else is very solid.

>>53676807
That's fucktarded. If there's any bonus to using only imperial stuff I've yet to see it.

If this is what GSC gets I'm dying to know what i get for staying loyal.

>>53676914
Any flyer, if you can get it close enough, can kill characters at will.

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>>53676835
>so are infiltrators

Secretly one of the strongest units in the whole Ork codex

>>53676791
lootas are a lot stronger now against 3+ and below than they were before, obviously, so lootas are going to be great. the key is going to position your forces where the crisis suits either get cover or they get to kite the mob, not both. you are running infiltrators right?

>>53676670
Quite a bit. They all seem to have those little dust masks and shoulder lamps which don't seem very agri-world to me.

Possibly look at wargames factory survivors, who have a kind of rural-modern look to them (you will need to find or sculpt bald heads, which shouldn't be too hard) or frostgrave cultists for a more medieval look (you will need some guns).

>>53676923
Usually it's just done to save some points if necessary. Otherwise people will take five or ten for the weapon breakpoints.

>>53676859
>Flash Gitz and Lootas into an open topped battlewagon
That'd be ~450 points for 10 flash gits with ammo runts and ~330 points for 10 lootas. Is it really worth 1/5 or 1/6 of your army?

>Koptas, Bikes
How's best to equip the koptas, and do you want nobz on bikes or will regular bikers do?

>>53676949
As soon as you start trying to preach that to people who know better, they'll never come back. I don't know who's been getting you to drink the kool-aid but the rumour is they aren't going to release an FAQ at all, pretending none of the problems exist.

>>53676957

Oh, so not literally fliers with sniper rifles.
I was wondering if those were even a thing.

>>53676835
What makes rangers bad, I like the 30 range, TUA, and model. Are vanguard just a better choice?

>>53676949
>people don't like anything new or changed

Do I pay points for the drones that accompany my devilfish? I know this edition I pay for the burst-canon but am unsure about the drones

>>53676986
No, of course not. For the price of the battlewagon you can have more than twice as many flashgitz and lootas.

Vehicles got made un-usable in 8th.

>>53676963
I have a few kommandos but that's it. I'm not sure how to equip them though.

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>>53675971
>monster, fly, happy
>ywn be a happy flying monster

>>53676987
>wont release an FAQ at all
Are you seriously dumb enough to believe this?

>>53676949
>age of gull-eeh-mahn
>better

>>53676993
Flyers are better snipers than people with sniper rifles, because many flyers get a bonus to hit ground units, and their weapons are usually designed to hit large units, but as a result do lots and lots of shots which will wipe characters.

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Serious question now. Why don't we see any 7e general threads? Last six months were an non-stop autism-fest lead by whiny saltyfags. People were crying about everything - mortal wounds, new morale phase, new psychic phase etc. Why don't we see any threads made up by Anons willing to stick with 7e instead of jumping into 8e like fantasy players?

>>53677001
Considering how awful 6th and 7th were, yeah it seems like WAACfags are doing 99% of the whining

>>53676815
Eh, in practice I think it's going to be a lot harder than some people think, what with most flyers having a long minimum move distance, and only being able to turn 90 degrees a turn means that they're quite liable to overshoot enemies you're trying to "snipe" unless they're out in the fucking open.

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So i updated my list for 2k as apparently that is now the meta

Vanguard Detatchment (+1CP)

HQ - Jain Zar 146pts

Elites - 10 Banshees inc. Exarch w/Executioner 172pts

Elites - 10 Banshees inc. Exarch w/Executioner 172pts

Elites - 6 Fire Dragons inc. Exarch w/Fire Pike 144pts
(With Wave Serpent w/ Shuriken Cannon and Twin Shuriken Cannon) 143pts
Batallion Detatchment (+3CP)

HQ - Avatar of Khaine 250pts

HQ - Farseer w/ Singing Spear 120pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts
3 Walkers w/2x Scatter Lasers 273pts

3 Vypers w/Bright Lances and Twin Shuriken Catapults 283pts

TOTAL 1994 pts

Please Rate, Might be risking it on the uncertain anti armour

>>53676950
Arquebi are amazing for character sniping, though. They'll blow neat fucking holes into any Commissar, Lieutenant or Chaplain who wants to attempt to make His Dudes better, and pick away at anything else. Will also do about half a wound to Guilliman each, so there's something if the opponent has no characters, light vehicles, heavier infantry or even Land Raiders to annoy with them.

Sure, they're no Neutron Lasers, but I'm so taking four of them in two units just to make all those Blood Angel synergistic bubbles go away, and to pop morale dudes so my Vanguard and Infiltrators can mow down hordes.

>>53677010
>Vehicles got made un-usable in 8th.

No they didn't. They're tougher to kill.

>>53677039
Ork fliers can easily destroy a lone buff/aura character, dakkajet and wazbom blastajet in particular.

Why would I ever charge a character into a melee? If I can't allocate wounds away from them they'll get chewed up.

>MFW priest with eviscerator never uses i because his buffs are too valuable

>>53676908
I supposed it's true that club culture is much stronger in the UK. The majority of play in the US revolves around the stores, whether GW or independent. I'd be curious to know if your traffic changes at all over time. Especially ater the game actually comes out.

>>53677021
From my manager's own mouth after his meeting on sunday. I wouldn't believe it if he hadn't said it. The plan (supposedly) is to fix issues through codexes because "8th ed is the best edition we have ever made" and anyone who tries to disagree with that gets in deep shit. All that shit about a living rulebook was just to sell paper.

I'm losing my job, so you know, take what I say with a pinch of salt, but thats what I heard and it's why I'm so fucking depressed right now.

>gretchin shoot like space marines if there's enough of them
Don't that beat all.

>>53676955
You get to ally with the rest of the Imperium, with the same level of rule-interaction as with the GSC (that is, basically none). IG is probably the faction that can be justified as ally to just about anyone, be it as GSC, Gue'la, Lost&Damned, Diggaz, Necron imperial subjects or DE slaves.

>>53676987
Lol what?

>>53677026
>7th
>better than 8th
Are you having a giggle?
>>53677045
Because from every fucking poll that's been taken in this general, the vast majority of people prefer 8th to 7th. 7th is fucking garbage and anyone who prefers it is beyond retarded

>>53674447
Similar to how it was before Cruddace shat all over nids.

It's pretty much fluffy this way.

I've uploaded a bunch of 40k shit, the goal is to create a more complete single library

https://mega.nz/#F!gaBiVTKI!HTOuNx5zzNxHqT-ny-AU3A

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>buying products from GW

https://imgur.com/a/tB9GG

>>53677049
You can move anywhere from 20-40", and you get to premeasure. It's pretty easy anon. It's as easy as being able to read a tape measure.

Any tips where I can download the new DARK IMPERIUM NOVEL for free \tg\? *Pleeeeas*

>>53677054
Just for you cheetah shitposting anon, I'm dedicating my new army.

>>53677017
You can give 2 of them burnas for 0 points cost and give the Nob a big choppa making the unit 99 points for 10.

>>53677082
Okay. You are just completely full of shit.

>I'm losing my job
And this explains a hell of a lot.

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>>53677061
>wounded by fucking lasguns
>tougher to kill

>>53677017
welp, if crisis suits or other tough fast models are the thing you're worried about give them rokkits

none of their other ranged wargear is really impactful enough and i'd consider running them naked otherwise

>>53677082
Yeah i don't believe you because they do FAQs for fucking everything, and even GW knows waiting a whole year is a bad idea.

>>53677135
Blueberries.
Now to figure out how to make leopard print robots look good.

>>53674236

I have so many armies I want to play.

I want to make a radical Ordo Chronos Inquisitorial warband.
I want to make a SAS themed Stormtrooper army.
I want to make a Blood Pact themed Stormtrooper army.
I want to make a Terran Prefects themed Guard army.
I want to make an Armored Company based on my granddads WW2 tank unit.

So many models, so little money/time.

>>53677061
But the points costs are so high. I can either have a trukk for 82/85 points, depending upon whether I want it to have a wrecking ball, or get another 14 boyz. Plus trukk boyz don't get the +1A from being over 20 boyz strong, so buying a trukk for a squad of slugga boyz costs you 14*3=42 attacks from the missing boyz plus another 26 attacks from the +1A per boy for being over 20. That's 68 attacks you miss out on, so even if the trukk does get them into combat earlier and with less casualties they'll be a neutered unit.

>>53677062
Blitzbommers are probably good for killing small elite units or vehicles. Only deals one mortal wound for each model in the unit so at best you MIGHT wound his character with the bomb.

>>53677074
People are already playing it in our stores anon. I'm spending more time acting as an intermediary between arguing children than I am dealing with actual problems in the store or trying to sell stuff.

The rules are seemingly almost designed to cause arguments. I don't know who thought the Bubblechukka was a good idea, if I meet them I'll fucking kill them. I'm this close to asking my manager to ban the model, because two kids got into a fucking fist fight over assigning the stats.

I have lost all confidence in the writers and in HQ.

As far as traffic goes, older players are gone. They come in, see that the only people playing are 12, and leave before any other older guys show up, which keeps the average age around my shoe size.

Kids are being left here like it's a nursery school, half of them don't even have their armies with them, their mums just drop them off and expect us to take care of them.

That's my experience of 8th ed anon.

>>53674439
Add another swarmlord

>>53677190
Pics or it didnt happen

>>53677095
>vast majority
>49-51

Sure Hillary.

>>53677177
You're not going to win if you think you're just going to jog everywhere on the board you need to go to.

>>53677209
Did you not see the fucking strawpolls?
>comparing a presidential poll to an in house /40kg/ poll

>>53677208
Well seeing as it's 10pm, and also taking photographs of children without their parents permission gets you arrested, you know, no?

>>53677177
Transports got expensive but now they are pretty damn reliable in getting their unit across the board, The issue with Trukks is you dont give a fuck about protecting Ork units other than specialist ones who all kind of suck now.

Ork flyers are insane now.

>>53677173
Iktf

>want a hive fleet based on having rewakened on Fenris
>want admech heretek Biologis force
>want spanish inquisitorial cadre
>want IG themed on the T'Au

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>>53677190
Yea, Nah.

What fliers look the best for anti-character duty?

Coldstar has that 40'' advance with assault weapons

>getting blown up by a single las cannon shot on turn 1
>easier to kill

>>53677127
Okay, that's close to how I have mine kitted out. I still have the metal nob with powerklaw so I'll have to see whether it's worth cutting that off to give him a big choppa. Probably just keep the klaw.
>>53677143
Rokkits outside of BS4+ models / tankbustas for rerolls feels like a mistake at 12 points per rokkit. My one, single, grumble about the entire Ork index is that there are models in other indexes that should be vehicles that are not and it negatively impacts tankbustas and blitza bommers.

>>53677229
Not the children, but inside the store. Nice excuse anyway though.

>>53677227
Yeah, the majority of them are pretty damn even anon. Don't kid a kidder.

>>53677129
Wounded on a 6+ and ignored on a 3+. A lascannon is worth 150 lasguns by that logic.

>>53676753

>nerfed

More like buffed although it costs appropriately

D6 STR 6 AP-1 auto hits at 8"

>>53677190
>Kids are being left here like it's a nursery school, half of them don't even have their armies with them, their mums just drop them off and expect us to take care of them.
So, nothing changed? It was already like that in 3rd edition.