>in this setting the slaves are the most priviliged class of people

That makes literally no sense

>>53653626
It would take some serious mental gymnastics, and laws of the society pushed into absurdity, but it's not impossible.

>>53653672

Or just a really strong and backwards delusion that the most, by definition, marginalized people in a society are actually its most privileged.

>>53653613
post more nidalees

This is probably what extreme right wings believe because of government funding and labor laws.

>>53653672

No, it literally makes no sense.

How in the fuck would being treated like property make you the most privileged class?

I mean... I guess you could do something weird, like having the positions usually filled by noblemen instead filled by publicly owned 'slaves'. They're considered the property of all the people who work the fields and such, tasked with organising and administrating and directly accountable to their owners if they do a bad job.

But that sense of accountability is unavoidable, really, and that'd prevent any real disparity in privilege.

Still, I kinda like the notion, slave-lords owned by their people. I'll have to ponder it more.

>>53653626
The important thing is that we don't have quest threads on /tg/ anymore.

>>53653613
Random shit doesn't become tg-related just because you prefix it with "in this setting..." or "stat me".

>>53653780

You're right, although I'm not sure how that's relevant. Every day I wake up to a quest free /tg/ is a good one.

>>53653774
Maybe slaves are free to do what they want, they just have to work, while their owners are neck deep in such a huge quantity of social norms and traditions that make it impossible for them to do what they want

>>53653626
>>53653774
AIs will do all your work for you, but demand you become their human slaves. Will you give up your freedom to become immortal, forever-beautiful, forever pampered to do anything you want, as long as you wear a slave collar round your neck?

Or will you scrabble in the dirt without medicine and infrastructure and die free?

>>53653774
My cat is my property and he can do literally whatever he wants and if another person or animal gives him trouble I will fight/shoot them respectively.

>>53653613
As in automated society that doesn't need workers, and keeps "slaves" as status symbols? I mean sure, fantasy had done weirder things.

>>53653774
>How in the fuck would being treated like property make you the most privileged class?
High fantasy mode - slaves are given special powers - think mutation, demonic pact, etc. They are technically in servitude to the patron but the power thus acquired puts them way above common man.
Social absurdity mode - the idea of slavery as person being property of another person persisted, but at the same time the idea of human right raised. Now owner is responsible for their slaves - had to provide for them and can't mistreat them. Slaves become eternal children of sort

>>53653774
Corporative tyranny? If you're a slave of a corp you have rights? I don't know.

>>53653846

Then you're still not the most privileged class, because the AI has all those freedoms and more.

>>53653613
So human cats, basically?

>>53653890
Don't be silly, AI aren't people.

Before you ask: Neither are corporations but corporations are still legal entities and can therefore own property.

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>>53653774
Imagine this.
The golden people exist just to be provided for.
The silver people exist just to provide.
The more providing a silver person does, the higher their status.
The highest elite of silvers can reserve the rights to buy exclusive rights to a single gold. That gold is their property and lands them a great amount of status with their demands.

>>53653613
That's fucking stupid. Here, I'll show you how to do things right.

>In this society, the privileged are beautiful and strong and usually have superpowers or access to magic/whatever passes for magic, in addition to longer lifespans; the stronger you are, the bigger the burden you have, both to society and to the people who weren't "lucky" enough to be born into your caste
>The underprivileged are seen as underachieving people who need to be coddled, regular human beings who are incapable of learning magic, becoming scholars, fighting crime, etc; they're only used for common housework and such, but due to their low status, they're paradoxically living the high life

It's not fucking hard.

>>53653774

A King who is owned by his Lords, Lords who are owned by their people...

Maybe a response to a slaveholder state overturned in a revolution? Inverting the relationship by making those in command accept becoming public property, the responsibilities they're given accompanied by a lack of rights to keep them in check.

Could be a kind of interesting gimmick nation to visit in a D&D game. A country of free workers and slave-lords, all under the chained king, the most powerful and least free of them all.

>>53653774

Maybe it's a race that's got this biological need to serve it's purpose in it's society.

Essentially the fact that they have commands to follow and stuff gives them an overwhelming satisfaction.

So the leaders and stuff who have an overwhelming number of things to do and no direct solutions are the most pitiful and in constant mental stress.

Meanwhile the slaves literally just obey orders. Every time they have a simple direct command it's like a high.

Because of how much that position would be valued in society, it's only given to those who deserve it, like ones who have had to be an artist for a long time.

>>53653897
You would need to also afford the cats the same or better legal protections than everyone else. But otherwise pretty much.

>>53653798
First time back here since before quests were moved and I have to say that it's ever so slightly better.

Polite sage for off topic and shit thread.

>>53653780
I'm thankful every day.

>>53653613
No, anon, that's dumb and/or fetishbait.

Now especially in the middle ages anyone who actually worked in the estate of a Laird, Duke, Earl, etc actually did enjoy some prestige and social mobility that other people lacked. Many of them would have actually been gentry-in-training themselves. In a high fantasy setting I wouldn't bat an eyelid at particularly skilled domestic servants having rank and title, particularly if they had magical abilities, because it's not that far from reality.

But the actual rich landowners and blooded nobles were always at a higher station.

>>53653774

They are slaves to the gods and no one else is allowed to have slaves but the gods. They serve as a priest caste and induction into their numbers is reserved solely to a few selected prisoners of war.

>>53654216
Then the gods have more privilege.

>>53653613
Well, it can't be that hard, right? Just make sure there are no more privileged people than slaves. For example, after an alien invasion earth is entirely under the control of an alien race; the luckier people just serve as slaves and obey any commands their masters give them, while the lower humans serve only as food, bait, suicide soldiers, and so on.

>>53654343

Then the aliens are more privileged.

>>53653728
>backwards delusion
Where have you been the last few years?

>>53654289

The Gods work 24/7 to keep the universe going. That's why they are never at their temples.

>>53654212
Take a look in the thread.
Take your pick.
>Slaves are like cats but with more rights
>The rulers are technically slaves but not really
>People love serving so much they consider it a privilige
>Everybody is a slave and owned by entities that are not people.
Did I miss anything?

>>53654368
That's assuming you count the aliens as people, if they even can be considered people (they may be barely comprehensible existences).

But the easier way out is to say the aliens don't mingle with Earthlings; society is run by slaves receiving signals from space.

>>53653728
>>53653672
So Brettonia

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Jesus Christ, OP is just describing cats.
Calm your tits.

>>53654430
People in charge have actual responsibility and thus have less privilege.

>>53654483
Cats aren't slaves.

>>53654522
They're your property.
You can go to the store and pay money for the privilige of taking care of one.

>>53654545
"Slave" implies subservient behavior; cats ain't finna fuck a give.

also cats aren't people.

>>53653613
Hmm...

>Slave revolts of the past have pushed for more laws regarding their well being. Their health and happiness must be provided by their masters.
>A growing automated industrial sector has greatly lessened their burdens.
>You can't sell or free them as they are owned by estates, not people. Estate laws demand that the property (land, buildings or people) be maintained by whomever inherits the estate.
>????

Overall I'm trying to find a way to have a class of people who lounge about your property with no responsibilities and whom you can't get rid of. You are still responsible for them, your land, your home, your debts and so on. Fail in your responsibility and you lose it all.

>>53653613
No either they're not actually slaves, or their owners are more priviliged than them.

>>53654599
What constitutes as failing? If they demand a bigger bedroom do you have to give it to them? Or do you just lose them if you try to beat them or something?
I assume the former. They're more priviliged than you after all.

Isn't this basically children? There is nothing more protective and praised as a child but the parents are responsible for them and own them.

>>53654674
Cats, children, what's the difference?

Closest thing I can think of to a scenario:

An Emperor declared that certain people and their descendants were to be his slaves, his property, subject to all whims of his, legally property, but that when they told anyone that they were operating under the emperor's orders their voice was to be treated as his. Any noble must obey their instructions when given in the name of the emperor, or be destroyed by his armies (which are commanded by his slaves).

The emperor died before his designated heir was more than a child, and the slaves have kept the new emperor from ever seeing anyone who is not a slave, so that he never grasps the reality of things.

The slaves cannot marry, cannot own property, cannot enter into contracts- they are things by the law, not people. They keep the realm running and live in luxury off of the tribute ceded to the emperor.

The entire realm is balanced on a knife's edge, but it has been balanced there for many years. The nobles are aware that challenging the status quo is going to plunge the empire into civil war, and are always weighing whether now is the time to strike.

Thoughts?

>>53654599
>Overall I'm trying to find a way to have a class of people who lounge about your property with no responsibilities and whom you can't get rid of. You are still responsible for them, your land, your home, your debts and so on. Fail in your responsibility and you lose it all.
Kids in a welfare state?


I was thinking you could limit slaves to the nobility and have them considered part of the family they serve?

>>53654716
But then their owners would still be mor priviliged.

>>53653613
Ottoman Empire? Mamelukes?

>>53654710
Then they're not really slaves. Where are their owners?

This concept is an extension of court Eunuchs. Byzantine court eunuchs received a chance to be the most powerful people in the entire country bar the emperor, but could not pass on property, or offices or titles when they died. The only thing different is that a slave has to perform these duties, while Eunuchs had a choice. Its not too far a stretch.

>>53654698
Children as decent. Cats are parasites.

>>53654766
It belongs in the category "only slaves on paper" of possible solutions in this thread.
The emperor is technically their owner but he doesn't know that.

>>53653613
My slave is pretty privileged if you ask me...

>>53654803
I guess it kinda works but I can't see how it would last very long. There ought to be other nobles etc. in the setting.

>>53654777
>The only thing different is that a slave has to perform these duties

And the whole castration part, that's a difference I'd think would be important

>>53653917
Hate to burst your bubble but in many developed countries corporations are legally people.

>>53654827
Well the Castration was voluntary. Many 2nd sons made the choice to do it in order to gain the chance for the offices reserved for Eunuchs. Its purely incidental to the actual premise of privileged slaves

>>53654828
Does that mean corporations can be enslaved?

>>53653613
The only way this can work is if some nobles have such a victim complex they think of themselves as slaves when asked to do something.

That or you need to control your fetish fuel.

>>53654865
No, they only get the privileges of being people without any of the downsides

Because you know, some "people" are more important than others

>>53653613
Sounds like a WE WUZ KANGZ setting

>>53654739
This basically. The janissaries, the mamluks and ghulam - basically, castes of highly-skilled unfree warriors subservient to the state, with good education and a fast track possibility of advancement into administrative class. Time and time again those guys ended up dominating the actual government, turning them into puppets and even supplanting them.

>>53653626
What about some civilisations where their emperors were considered Gods?

They're basically enslaved to the peoples will to lead them.

>>53653613
> computers above
> invalids below
solved

>>53653774
I don't know, maybe property laws protect property properly, while proper human rights protections don't.

As in, property is more protected than citizens.

>>53654716
>welfare state
Pretty much, yeah.

We've just gotta find a somewhat plausible way to get from slaves to a bunch of people who you are required to care for and can't get rid of.

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>>53654710
I actually had a setting idea a while back with almost this exact premise -

A powerful Emperor who is worshiped by his people as a living god becomes increasingly paranoid of assassination, so he builds an enormous, maze-like Temple-Palace complex. "Normal" people are only allowed into the outer buildings, while he remained in the palatial inner chambers; the only time he would ever be seen was speaking from a high balcony over the one inner courtyard outsiders could access, clad in heavy robes and a ceremonial mask. Other times, all business with him could only be done through the other inhabitants of the palace, a loyal caste of slaves that worked in a manner similar to the Jannisaries - the palace took in orphaned children and raised them from birth, so while they were technically the property of the Emperor and not citizens, they were well-educated in science, politics, magic, and warfare, and had a standard of living higher than most people in the empire. They served the Emperor, kept up the palace, and acted as intermediaries between him and the outside world.

As the Emperor aged, he began giving his Palace-Keepers more and more leeway in making decisions themselves - after all, they were both well-educated and loyal to the man who saved them from lives of poverty, and quickly became arguably better than he was at running the Empire. So much so that, when he died, the Palace-Keepers decided collectively that his heir was not suited to rule, had him tragically killed in a hunting accident, and just... never told the rest of the world that the Emperor had died. He was worshiped as an incarnate God, after all, so all it took was finding the Keeper with the most similar build, put the Emperor's robe and mask on him, and have him deliver a revelation about his Immortality.

>>53653613
That's a fucking dumb fucking setting you silly cunt

>>53655466
A hundred years or so later, and the Empire would continue to prosper under their rule, with the "Emperor" acting as a mouthpiece for a secret Slave Senate actually setting the Empire's course. The bowing and scraping Palace-Keeper who's assigned to meet with your Noble House? He's not reporting to the Emperor - he's delivering your message to his fellows, who will debate and vote on how to respond, after which he'll come back and say, honorable Master, please forgive this humble servant, but the Emperor says...

Of course, many suspect that something strange is going on... but the Empire is currently stronger and more prosperous than it has ever been before, so even the nobility, though they publicly grumble, are afraid to rock the boat too much.

Does this meet OP's specifications?

>>53653918
Interesting idea. Strikes me as a very masculine vision of slavery.

>>53653613
>slaves are brought to the country to do an important job
>within a few generations the slaves are the only ones able to do that job
>they use this stranglehold to control the society

>>53655030

There were plenty of example of the Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire being a slave.

Thats about the equivalent of a prime minister in rank.

It was done mostly to circumvent inheritence laws in the Qur'an which have the effect of diluting the wealth of the aristocracy into tiny subfactions..

>>53655529
>>53655466
Somewhat, although the definition of slavery has lost its meaning in this case.

>>53654828
No, they're legal entities.
They're not people.

Big difference.

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>>53653613
> in this setting the slaves are the most priviliged class of people
That's what we at the Ministry let the people think. It's easier to control them that way.

>>53655466
>>53655529
That sounds fucking sweet.

I'm envisioning the maze-like palace looking something like Anor Londo.

>>53653613
Been a while since I gamed in the 1984 setting

>>53655542
Masculine?
As in, the masculine values are those of support, making the silver people lauded figures?

>>53653774
My Turkish friend insists that is the case for slaves within the empire.
I'm not well versed in the region itself but the little i understand about mamlukes (warrior slaves) and their ability to over power and control the empire does suggest such a thing.
slavry itself is an abstract concept, it has to have some weight backing the ownership of another human being, either physical or otherwise.
If the actual control is tenuous then what does stop slaves from outshining their owners. this was also the case of the romans where slaves could buy their own freedom and exceed past their leader.

likewise the nobles are slaves of the people they themselves control in a philosophical perspective.

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>>53653780
thanks for reminding me anon

>>53655731
Well yes, but it's not really possible to make the concept work otherwise. If there's an actual "owner" with real power over the "slave", then they're by definition not the most privileged.

>>53655751
Thanks! That's basically what I had in mind (though I envisioned the Empire being a bit more Late-Egyptian/Persian/Generic-Near-Eastern in style.) Big and confusing enough that not only are non-Keepers not allowed into the majority of it, but anyone who didn't grow up there (and know all the secret passages) would get hopelessly lost within minutes. And with plenty of room for the Keepers to live extremely comfortable lives within the "Emperor's Quarters", with access to all the tribute streaming in from conquered lands...

>>53653613
>Tumblr

>>53653613
we talkin "mamlukes are the real power" kind of privilege or "the proles are the only truly free citizen" kind of privilege
cause that sentence explains little

>>53653780
>>53653798
bring back quests
replace /qst/ with /40k/ and free us from the dirge

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>>53655958
stop, this line of thinking is confusing.
>/tg/ == 40k containment board
>we must remove 40k from /tg/

>>53655988
nein
this is the d&d and checkers containment board

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>>53653881
>High fantasy mode - slaves are given special powers - think mutation, demonic pact, etc. They are technically in servitude to the patron but the power thus acquired puts them way above common man.
So literally the Fate series.

>>53655846
>t*rk defending slavery
what a surprise

>>53656158
and genocide

>>53655908
Take a slave
Give them one (1) right
Are they still a slave?
>ancient roman slaves were entitled by law to be allowed a new set of clothes every two years, they were still slaves
This process can be repeated ad infinitum.
By method of induction it can thusly be derived that any number of rights will not make the slave a free man. Even if the number of rights exceed those of their owner.

>>53653774
The only thing that doesn't make sense is your concept.
Why would administrive tasks correspond to high privilige?
You could shackle someone in a basement and make them do your paperwork.

>>53656273
Not really, it's basically a heap problem. If you have one rock it's not a heap of rocks, add another and it still isn't, a third doesn't make it a heap, but at some point it is most certainly a heap of rocks. The cutoff point is just arbitrary and open to debate.

>>53656302

Because they'd also have the decision making power corresponding to the station, just accompanied by more severe than usual consequences if they fucked up.

>>53656350
Yes. It was a joke.

>>53656360
That would require them to be in charge of deciding their own allowance and/or living arrangements.
Oops. Slavery concept negated.

Whereas many other ideas mentioned in this thread work perfectly fine.

>>53653613
>slaves are only priviliged for one sacred day when they take roles of their masters

>>53653774
Treat your slave like a pet. One you genuinely love. You don't even need to yell at them, you can just tell them what they aren't allowed to do, which if we're going with the pet example, basically extends to "don't shit on my carpet." You could make either side non-human, so no one is worried about slave cucking.

Captcha: Middle Riddle

>>53653774
Think pet cats. You are owned, but absolutely everything in your life is taken care of for you. The peons around you do all the menial labor.

>>53653774
In many historical systems, the highest authority in name would have no real power, or like in Japan be a prisoner himself, while a lower authority held the actual power. In both Japan and pre-Charlemagne France there were periods where the actual authority was passed down to technically lower and lower court positions, with the previous eminence grise becoming a figurehead himself. It could be possible to have a system where a class of court slaves come to have the highest real authority, which is quite close to the historical great influence Chinese and Ottoman court eunuchs or Janissaries wielded. While this influence rose and fell in real life and was largely informal power tied to the fact they raised and advised the monarch, it wouldn't be too far of a stretch for court slaves to become an all but formalized ruling class.

Now I'm imagining some kind of Lovecraftian world where the veil between this world and the Beyond is shattered.

Mankind is in tatters, living on the bring of insanity amidst an apocalyptic wasteland - except for the pets of the Things from Beyond. Humans in the past that realised that just like wolves and wild cats that accepted the intelligence of humanity thrived, humanity will thrive if they accept these Unknown Entities. These humans live in glorious cities, operating by unseen forces. Lorded over by the Things from Beyond. Invisible, but their presence leaves no doubt.

You are one of these pets. For days you've grown weary and anxious. Something is happening to you. And your unseen Master knows. Rooms you've never seen before have opened. Armouries filled with armour and weapons for you to take, and an exit.

It is time for you to leave your Master for a while, and search for the one thing your Master can't provide. Yourself. Or death.

>>53653626
The culture of the land is heavily steeped with apathy; it is seen as a sign of dignity to "go with the flow" and any sort of ambition is an evil. As such, slaves are seen as the most dignified and respected of people; they just do what their boss tells them to do and get food and shelter in return, which is a pretty sweet gig by their standards. They don't have a million things keeping them up at night, and they don't have to make difficult choices. Hell, they don't even have to choose what to eat for lunch because making that decision is someone else's problem.

Alternatively, "people' have been conquered by "non-people" (elves, ayylmaos, robots, whatever), so there are two classes of people: slaves, which have a very limited form of legal rights and can even own some very nice things that their masters grant them in return for labor, and refugees living in the ruins, slums, and outskirts, fighting and dying against their conquerors, and trying to scrape together a miserable life. When the alternative is "be killed on-sight," "slave" starts sounding privileged. Admittedly, this is more of an issue with semantics because we have "non-people" on top.

One last alternative: slaves have a REALLY good union

>>53653626
In the Ottoman Empire the Janissaries were slaves, although for a while they basically ran that shit. Same in China were the Eunichs ran the civil service. In both cases the high aristocracy were more priviliged though, but the slaves did wield a lot more power than many free men.

>>53655044
That would put god emperors on top, making them the most privileged.

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>>53653814
>Maybe slaves are free to do what they want
>Implying a free man doesn't choose and a slave doesn't obey

>>53653613
> southern revisionists

>>53656732
I remember eunuchs being important government workers in Byzantium and in China.

The monarchs would trust these more than regular non-eunuchs, because eunuchs wouldn't try to displace the ruling dynasty to replace it with their own, as they would have no heirs.

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>>53653613
>Tumblr

>>53653626
It kinda sorta does.
>You have a job
>So long as you do that job your master has the obligation to keep you at the apex of health and comfort
>Praetorians will fuck their shit and take you for themselves if they falter on your care
(late) Egyptian and Roman slaves were pretty much neets kept around and pampered for washing the dishes or tending to the horses. These living conditions are superior to current workforce conditions unless you're the 5% that still has access to social mobility. And even then, a slave could become a majordomo and have even more freedom (and responsabilities and the power) while still being required to be threated as basically another son to your master.

>>53657026
Go to bed Ryan, that headache must be killing you right now.

>>53653613
Why do I get the feeling that if OP is serious he is some super white guy that preaches "muh white guilt"

>>53653626
>>53653774
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapi_Agha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlar_Agha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghilman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Kafur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu'nis_al-Muzaffar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alam_al-Malika

And all the founders of "slave dynasties".

>>53657432
Does not mean it's a good idea

>>53657488
I don't think anyone was arguing that letting your slave have more de facto power than you was a good idea Hitler dubs.

Good slave is supposed to predict his master's wishes, performing his duties without guidance.
By telling your slave what to do, or even just by indicating that he did something wrong, you show that your slave is a bad slave.
If your slave is a bad slave, that's because you failed to make him a good slave. It is shameful.
More than than, his instructor, an older slave, failed to teach him properly, so his instructor was a bad slave too.
That means your father failed to make him a good slave. It is even more shameful.
In fact, none of your ancestors knew how to make a good slave.
You would dishonor your entire family if you tell the chef your guests would have preferred a roasted pheasant over the vegetable stew you got. Just look smug and eat.

Also, Pratchett's Pyramids come to mind. Protagonist was a pharaoh, living god, possessing the most absolute power, but any order contradicting the one expected from a pharaoh was flat out ignored. Because there is no way the pharaoh did actually order that, must be some kind of mistake.

>>53657029
closer to turkish ones.
possibly roman ones, but really plutarch is a bit weird with it.

>>53653613
The slaves were a race of exceptionally gifted people capture during a war. Put to work in the empire, the empire flourished with superior goods and infrastructure.

The slaves had also low fertility rate, and mistreatment of slaves had crippled or outright killed them. Realizing the number of slaves are steadily decreasing, a royal edict proclaimed all owners that mistreat their slaves shall have their holdings and possessions confiscated by the empire.

Slave owners then overcompensated by giving the slaves the finest lifestyle they can afford to make sure they are out of the empire's crosshairs. The status of slaves were further elevated when a ruler was forcibly dethroned after allegations of mistreating royal slaves. This was of course court politics, but the public took it to mean even a slave can decide the fate of an emperor.

After a few generations, slaves are prized possesion of nobles as status symbols. Business depend on the slaves to ensure their goods sells. Selling and trading of slaves are glamorous events. The slaves are now sacred in the eyes of the imperial citizens.

I feel like the most privileged girl in the world to be my girlfriend's slave but I'm pretty sure this isn't what you were talking about

:^)

>>53653626
Maybe most humans are starving and the only humans who get enough to eat are the pets of some kind of dragons or psychic superbeings.

>>53653626
I swear there are thousands of stories where humans are """"""""""slaves""""""""""" to gods or fate or destiny or whatever the fuck and the people who aren't eat shit

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>Slaves roam the streets
>Can be asked to do anything and they will do it
>deemed immoral to ask a slave to do anything illegal, or rude, or to misuse a slaves time
>Slaves can enter wherever they need, whenever they need
>The slaves can sleep in any persons home, it is deemed a privilege to have such a meek person in the home

>Slaves are treated with utmost respect by the people, even by kings, queens only for their unwavering servitude to the people

>>53659583
You have a penis.

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>>53655542
>masculinity is providing
Gus pls

>>53659873
I really like this, cool idea.

>>53653613
Taxation is slavery, and the most privileged people pay the most tax.

>>53656985
>In the Ottoman Empire the Janissaries were slaves, although for a while they basically ran that shit.

That is hyper-simplifying the Ottoman system, because Ottoman society was so byzantine huehuehuehue that who was in charge of what was very rarely clear.

For example, there was both a religious and secular governing body, of which the Sultan was theoretically head of both. However, the secular viziers and the religious imams often clashed with one another, and whole miniature civil wars were fought over whose dick was bigger.

Jannissaries were similar. In some ways that had a shit load of soft power - in that they had the ears of very powerful people and had quite a shitload of muscle - but had very little legal power in the Ottoman system. A good analogy in modern American society would be an elderly priest: While many people in the community at least somewhat respect him, and very few people would go out of their way to do him any harm, at the end of the day he has no "real" political authority over anybody else in American society.

>>53653613
>>53653672
I could see it working if Slaves were more like pets. People spend exuberant amounts of money to pamper and treat their slaves. And in return they give companionship or do some other kind of job.

>>53653728

black people!

>>53653613
>Everyone is a sub
>only people who are doms are the unfortunate people who have choices but to be on top

>Only Proles are free

>Brave New World class system

>>53662456
Only the elderly priest occasionally shoots the damn sheriff then appoints a new one when he says he's pushing his limits.

>>53653613
I kind of get it. I mean imagine a world where the act of owning a slave is seen as one of the most definitive marks of your family's riches. But some people take it even further and spoil their slaves to demonstrate that they're so rich and so capable on their own that they're able to splurge money on treating even their slaves with the utmost decadence. They wouldn't even necessarily have to make the slave work either, the slave would be free to do what they wished but would be legally owned by the family and gifted obscene demonstrations of wealth. There could be an entire class of people with no other purpose than to be spoiled by these families for no other purpose than to stroke the vanity of said families. The difficulty is, of course, that at best these slaves would be treated as pets or walking billboards by their benefactors and despised at worst by the lower classes by the wealth they're gifted. At the same time, however, these slaves, while completely provided for, would have no rights, be looked down upon by every facet of society and would be held to the complete legal mercy of their masters.

>>53654572
>also cats aren't people.
There are people who will pay you to be a cat. Right now.

>>53663977
How much are we talking? I could do that.

>>53653613
This amusingly, has totally happened in real life.

The mamlukes come to mind.

da'covale?

>>53664002
Last I heard it was a decent hourly wage, but you have to find one of the people that will do it, first.

>>53653626

It's opposite day anon

>>53653780
Containment boards like /pol/, /r9k/, /s4s/ have never worked as intended.
/tg/ seems to have fewer tripfags, but that might be correlation not causation.

>>53654710
>An Emperor declared that certain people and their descendants were to be his slaves, his property, subject to all whims of his, legally property, but that when they told anyone that they were operating under the emperor's orders their voice was to be treated as his.
There's a French Comic called Petit which is basically this, but with Cannibalistic Giants.

>>53655999
wrong, this is a recommending GURPS to people containment board.

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>>53653613
They're called maids, and they're(technically) not slaves.

The fuck is the Biblical story about that? You know the one about how the slaves the were adorn with gold chains and silk and such while that masters wore rags. A bunch of kings or something came to the city and then everyone thought the slaves were kings.

>>53653613
To be a slave is to be safe, for never have the dark gods chosen a slave to be sacrificed

>>53653613

Isn't that just modern day America?

>>53661807
>Taxation is slavery

Taxation is theft and conscription is slavery, get your nonsensical AnCap memes right.

>>53653613
>mfw the most priviliged class of people are actually slaves to their base desires

>>53654545
>They're your property.
nope

>>53653613
Well, this thread went to shit REAL quick.

>>53659583
>>53660828
I sincerely hope it's a feminine penis, though.

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>>53653757

More than useful property and servants, slaves are an indicator of social status, much like jewelry or expensive vehicles
The better groomed and the more pampered the slave, the more it shows how much gold the master is willing to blow on something completely useless
Wearing fine clothes and jewelry, eating deliquacies and drinking splendid vintages is considered extremely disgraceful and shameful, but a master that can adorn and treat their slaves with such regal displays of wealth is someone to be respected and lauded, as they show not only exquisite taste, but also nigh superhuman restraint

Kind of a mix of puritanism and decadence, where masters dine on pea soup, water and stale bread, dress in coarse robes and go barefoot, while showering their slaves in gifts in a constant competition to show off how rich and powerful, but also frugal and virtuous they are
I'd imagine restraint and mastery of oneself would be the core values of such a society

At the same time, it could play a role in diplomacy with other cultures, having the slaves serve as stand-ins for deception purposes and to shield the nobles from assassination attempts (since they appear as mere slaves)

Are we talking about work slaves or cock slaves?

>>53664627
>containment boards have never worked as intended

Oh, sweet summer child, you must not have been here, or any other board, before they made /mlp/.

>>53671367
Hirosaki Nagashima needs to create /trap/ and /40k/

>>53657432
slave dynasties is a misleading title for that. These articles are mostly talking about having slaves in positions of power (i.e: in military and above other slaves). The general idea of this thread, is
>in this setting the slaves are the most priviliged class of people.
which means that they are noblility.

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>>53653613
>>53653626
>It's Ancient Rome
>Except some slave made a deal with Helios to make sure it never becomes night again
>He makes this deal during Saturnalia
>Slaves are now forevermore masters, and masters forevermore slaves

>>53653780
>Awwwwww this thread is shit
>It should be MY kind of shit, with anime girls and overwrought drama

>>53653613
You mean like modern society, then?

Celebrities who live in indolent bliss but are expected to dance to the strings of a crowd of strangers and accept that they will never have a shred of privacy.

>>53672935
>They're rich, somehow have political power and given privileged status to the point of being able to get away with shit that would get normal people imprisoned
>They're just like slaves amirite?

>>53653613
You mean Slaves have to fed, clothed, educated to kept under good conditions, in-house.

>>53673503
*have to be

>>53653814
This is interesting idea anon

>>53653849
So who owns who?