Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

pathfinder general traditionally has better OPs

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Second for this awesome pic and Slaanesh.

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2nd for Orks

>>53653571
You're right, that anime girl isn't cute enough!

How do I deal with a lychguardstar with tyranids

Reminder that worthless people make intelligent contributions and are 1d4dditors

>>53653600
Lychguardstar?

>>53653600
play 8th edition

>>53653612
Necron lychguard led by Deceiver with Obyron and Crypteks

>go away for an hour
>dark angels have lost their warlord and spent 5/6 command points
>thousands sons still have 3/3 cp and magnus

>>53653625
Play 8th.

Reposting from last thread

Dark Eldar list, focus on Covens. Please rate and comment

>Haemy w/ Electrocorrosive Whip

>5 Wracks w/ Ossefactor and Scissorhand

>Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannons

>5 Wracks w/ Ossefactor and Scissorhand

>Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannons

>6 Grotesques

>Cronos w/ Syphon

>Talos w/ 2 Macro-Scalpels and 2 Haywire Blasters

>5 Scourges w/ 3 Blasters & 2 Shardcarbines

1000 points

>>53653630
They lost their warlord AND his bodyguard to Magnus alone.

That guy is a rapetrain of smite-death.

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>>53653624
Is this a new meme?

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>>53653553

>post yfw people begin to refuse to play against mortars

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I need the Top 25 most important loyalists chapters.

I already have the 9 loyalist legions, minotaurs, Crimson fists, sons of Antaeus, black dragons, flesh tearers, hawk lords, howling Griffins, blood Ravens, Carcharadons, mortificators.

>>53653666
>sons of antaeus
>mortificators
>black dragons
>hawk lords
Literally who?

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>tfw ork hordes are great but I already started painting my boyz as evil sunz speed freaks.

>>53653666
Black Templars and Mantis Warriors? Red Scorpions maybe?

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>>53653666
> loyalist legions
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, LOYALIST SCUM?

2000pt CW eldar list

Avatar
Warlock X2
Warlock bike
Farseer

Fireprism
Wraithlord
Dark Reaper (2 units of 3).

Firedragons(5) in waveserpent (3 cannons vectored engine).
Banshees(5) x2

Dire avengers(10) with shimmershield
Swooping(7) hawks
Windriders (3 cannon, 2 catapult)
Guardians(10) with missile launcher.

>>53653658
As in, no one cares about 7th right now.

>>53653666

Make the dreadnought a Lamenter for Chyron
Also make a Mantis Warrior

>>53653666
Rainbow Warriors

>>53653600
If you're talking about 7th, hitting them with a mawloc doesn't actually suck that much. If he scatters you're fucked though.

>>53653733
I actually find it somewhat impressive. Usually new editions are met with grumbling but 7th was such a massive shitpile that people actually look forward to 8th.

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What are you guys doing now? Any models you're working on, games you're planning, games you've had recently, etc?
Reading WoM while listening to calm music and reading about dying Space Wolves is so comfy.

>>53653762

What music?

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>>53653778
Sorry I don't respond to worthless people

Stormed out of my FLGS yesterday after people there refused to accept my mixed Nid/Guard/Space Marines army. I showed them the screencaps of the indexes and how since they all had my custom name in the keyword section it was legit. They all said lol fuck no and refused to accept my Wu Tang army.


Have any other Wu Tang players faced discrimination like this? GW really needs to release a statement affirming the Wu Tang playstyle so we don't have to deal with this.

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>>53653585
>edition changed
>orks still i2 it seems

>>53653707
>Not realizing speed freakz footslogging boyz are still faster than regular boyz
Red= Faster m8 learn to play

>>53653788
Give it a rest. No one cares.

>>53653666
Nice trips satan.

- black Templars
- I don't actually see a raven guard there ( no pun)
- lamenters

These 3 are non negotiable.

>>53653797
Nah they're just M5"

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>tfw not worthless

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>>53653666

Thems some cool Deathwatch, anon.

But you really need a Storm Warden in there. Put some FFG in with your Relic.

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How angry will you people be if I played Preheresy TS and SM force then had rando rubrics as legion of the dammned guys with flaming parts and shit?

>>53653854
It would make a nice IG tank company imo

>>53653854

Imperial Guard

>>53653853
Why not?

>>53653854

Primaris Marine Repulsor

>>53653853
Why would I be angry? That's awesome.

>>53653624
>>53653641
Dude I'm talking about 8th

>>53653762
Working right now, but my current project is a Raptor-heavy Emperor's Children warrant. They are going to be SO FANCY

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>>53653778
Things ranging from light, sweet piano melodies to calm jazz and more. Gotta have some change after all. Current song is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA4wSj973RY
Very relaxing.

>Regular humans M6
>Orks M5
Y tho?

>>53653923
they got short legs

Why does tg hate Blood Angels? Are you jealous of their sculpted pecs?

>>53653923
>melee race

>>53653762
Debating on what models and boxes I need to pick up for 8th. I'm tempted to just splurge on everything I want, but that's a long list

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>>53653923
Orcs just a manlets. I wonder why SUPERHUMAN LEGIONERS move as normal humies

>>53653916
It's best ED of the year
too bad Chariot is such a cunt child molester

>>53653762
Built a Punisher cannon from my Demolisher kit. I figure I don't need to rebuild another Leman, I can just swap the turret on one of the models that I won't really use this edition.

My cat destroyed 6 in progress Heavy Weapons Teams so I rebuilt them. Broke apart a Scion to make a second Tempestor Prime with a rod.

Gonna prime a bunch of stuff later tonight. Also gonna pick up another Vostroyan squad tomorrow. I bought one pre-8th leaks and got a Lascannon and 3 Plasma guns thinking that because it's only -1 BS for heavy weapons on the move, I could have a decked out Veteran squad. After the leaks I decided I didn't really want that squad anymore. So now I'm going to make them both infantry squads with Heavy Bolters and a Plasma Gun.

Then I'm going to turn my previous 3 Cadian infantry squads into 30 more Conscripts so I can have 2 squads of 30.

>>53653923
I'm just glad they're stronger than 'umies now.

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>>53653853
Warp fuckery can justify almost anything anon. Just spend a little time on their background and make em pretty and people will love it.

>>53653923
dese gitz is always stepping on mi toez

>>53653914
>warrant

Fucking autocorrrect. WARBAND, ffs

>>53653666
Guardians of the Covenant
Lamenters
Raptors
Black Templars
Exorcists
Emperor's Scythes
Astral Claws
Storm Wardens
Golden Gryphons
Red Scorpions
Mantis Warriors
Celestial Lions
Add a Deathwing Terminator for good measure

>>53653899
>Having trouble with Nids in 8th

Drown him in Gants.

>>53653960
Because there has to be SOME reason to take a Rhino now.

Personally I'm a little miffed Skitarii didn't pull 7" or maybe even 8" move out of 8e, would go a long way towards fixing their lack of transport.

GK or BA for melee marines?

>>53653854
Mortarion

>>53654021
Grey Knights.

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>>53653914
Sounds nice, anon. Got any pictures? I'd love to see them.
>>53653952
I'm currently mostly satisfied with my armies right now but I understand that feeling. So many units that are looking more fun to use now are real tempting. Plus I kinda want to buy a ton of terrain, though I can't decide on any I'd want.
>>53653966
Yeah, I love the song. So relaxing to listen to, it's addicting to listen to and start feeling comfy. Chariot did everything wrong

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>>53654001
I dont think alpha legion need rhinos

>>53654021
Berserkers+Kharn

>>53654021
Blood Angels or Space Wolves

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>>53653969
Sounds like a lot of work, good luck!

Do Blood angels/Dark Angels/Space wolves have access to codex marine stuff in 8th? Like contemptor?

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Can an IG tank commander or Pask give orders to himself?

So what does the Fly keyword do for not Fliers...? does it mean my Crisis suits and friends fire at normal BS when shooting other Fly units?

>>53653666
Thousand Sons.

>>53654114
>I order me to shoot them
>Okay, cap'n

>>53654114

No.

Anyone cap the battlevids?

>>53654038
Not on my phone, and they are still in the modelling stage. Pro tip: old metal jump packs married to the new plastic kit makes for ASTOUNDING Raptors. By the same token, Volkite weaponry from the 30k range make for some pretty good Sonic Blasters

>>53654117
And they can charge them in glorious melee if you weren't a freaky fish guy.

>>53653989
It really can't be that simple

>>53654117
Certain units might get bonuses or penalties for shooting at things with the fly keyword. Also, flyers can only assault other flyers.

How are GSC these days?

>>53653666
Alfa legion

>>53653666
Mantis Warriors, my dude.

>>53654117
Well, for one they can charge/assault Airborne flyers.

ignore terrain/other models when moving, I assume.

How does Chaos' dinosaur walkers look in this edition? Forgefiends good yet? What about defilers?

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>>53654110
Some of them, but for the most part they are things that they already had

>>53654155
My dragon cant land into horde and crush them all?

>>53653666
Red Hunters, Red Scorpions and Exocists

>>53654138
Why not?

Officers could order their own unit last edition.

>>53654154
If they didn't take out the donkey punch, I'd love to attempt to ruin some Necron croissant's day with it.

>>53654155
so it's basically free skyfire, then... thanks anons

>>53654145
Ah, alright. Sounds exciting though, I hope they turn out nicely when you finish them.

>>53654117
Can fall back and shoot in the same turn.
Can ignore models and terrain in the movement phase.

>>53654155
>Also, flyers can only assault other flyers.
Dammit son, learn to read and stop repeating this bullshit.

>>53654117

They can jump over stuff to charge other units provided there's space, go up on top of buildings to avoid the green tide of orks or nids running across the board.

>>53654204
>so it's basically free skyfire, then.

No it isn't

Why are mortars a meme now??

>>53654204
Donkey punch?

>>53654156
They're free to take any tyranid units that they want as part of a detachment without restriction.

>>53654200

Exactly.

>>53654204
There's no donkey punch. There's no relics / special items of any kind anywhere.

>>53654239
It should be said that if the detachment isn't fully GSC only, they lose access to their sweet cult ambush table.

>>53654207
Cheers, I'll toss up some WIPs in a week or two once I've started putting paint on them

>Inb4 Wu Tang Clan shit poster arrives and gets 20 replies

>>53654103
Definitely! Thanks. Most of the I built and painted I don't really want to use this edition sadly.
>>53654223
Because they are cheap, put out decent damage and don't need LoS. Being fragile is the biggest weakness of heavy weapon squads and being able to hide with Mortars is huge.

>>53654266
Still the best name for a rules exploit ever.

Anyone found a use for Reavers yet? All I can come up with a Heat Lance, Grav talon combo for 120 points to character hunt but that's pretty steep and characters are gonna be in a hoard majority of the time...

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alright I have seven or so mk 8 bodies left over, with a variety of Sternguard and Vanguard bits.

so far I'm set on
> black Templar
>lamenter
> fire angel ( with dual hand flamers)
> executioner
>marine malevolent ( gonna paint a black eye on him for being a cunt)
> a black shield chaplain covered in golden face tattoos
> 2 more

Anyway here are my deathwatch that aren't from the boxed game.

>>53654266
If it's not him it's the lightning claws shitposter. Or the MS paint comic shitposter. Or yet another debacle about whether or not X person is DAfag.

>>53654265
Alright. I'll be looking out for them!
>>53654276
Ah, that's unfortunate. Hey, at least they'll look nice right?

>>53654266
What the fuck is Wu Tang Clan other than some shitty rap outfit

>>53654156
They're free to take any Imperial Guard unit that they want as part of a detachment without restriction

>>53654315
>characters are gonna be in a hoard
Then you don't have to worry, every model that stays in the hoard isn't on the table.

>>53654266
It's a legitimate use of the rules. They intended for it to work and balanced things based on Wu Tang armies.

>>53654235
onager gauntlet, usually referred to as the donkey punch

>>53653788
Le gud meme kys senpai desu

>>53654348
It's a rules exploit for 8th whereby if you replace the faction keyword of two armies with the same word them ostensibly you can have a detachment including both. Allowing for eldar and tau to ally because they're both <WU TANG CLAN>.

It's obviously a flaw in the way factions work and no sane player would ever try it bit the fact that it's called that is hilarious to me.

>>53654171
don't know about those specifically but vehicles in general are much more resilient. I saw a lot of Khorne players using Mutilators so I guess they aren't utter-crap

>>53654348
>Wu Tang Clan
>shitty

U watch yo mouf nigga

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>>53654327
This guy looks cool! What armor bitz you used to him? I see only m3 helmet

>>53653797
> orkz
> melee race
> move 5"

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>>53654239
so if I don't want to mix and match dudes, how are they?

>>53654360

I was meaning characters that provide buffs, like commissars and whatnot but I catch your drift. Maybe I'll run a single squad of them for hunting then.

How's my list?
>Ynnari Outrider Detachment
>Autarch with Swooping Hawk Wings, & Reaper Launcher & Mandiblasters 116pts 6 Power
>10 Swooping Hawks, with Sunrifle 174pts 10 Power
>5 Scourges, with 4 Dark Lances 150pts 6 Power
>5 Scourges, with 4 Dark Lances 150pts 6 Power
>5 Rangers 100pts 5 Power
>5 Rangers 100pts 5 Power
>10 Mandrakes 190pts 9 Power
>980 points 47 Power
My plans for this is to leave everything off table for at least the first turn or so, until I notice a weak point in the enemy lines and then drop everything there.

>>53654380
Rhinos cannot carry models with the Terminator Keyword. However: A Wolf Guard in a Grey Hunter squad can take Terminator Armor, without the Terminator Keyword. Can be shoved in a Rhino.

>>53654327
You should make some definitely-not-heretics DW, anon. For example:
Take either a rubric or scarab occult head, maybe a rubric shoulder pad, and DW body. Plus one of the weapons.

>>53654431
Yep. The writers are new to writing keyword-style rules.

>>53654380
That's so retarded it's amazing. I'm not crazy about the name, but none the less.

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>>53654327
And the other dickheads

>>53654429
> o leave everything off table for at least the first turn
You mut start with half army on table

>>53654429
> leave everything off the table
> what are the new reserve rules? Le post
> how do you fuck up 12 pages of rules? Le post

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Do I want big choppas or powerklaws on my boss nob in a 30 boy squad?

>>53654431
And, at the same time, the Claw units have to assault if they have the possibility unless there is a Wolf Guard within 6".
They can promote their sergeant to Wolf Guard, even giving him terminator armor, but he doesn't give the unit the Wolf Guard keyword so they have to assault anyway

>>53654456
The eternal battle of the White Scars VS the Black Templars

Or

Salamanders

>>53654413
I don't think you caught my drift, no. A hoard is a fat pile of loot, it doesn't hide shit in 40K. In D&D maybe. The word you want to use is horde.

Anyway, for hunting support characters there's snipers, some psychic powers and units fast enough to capitalize on positioning mistakes. Or just the raw firepower to blow the screening units away.

>>53654473
Depends on what the squad's purpose is. Powerklaws if you want to keep da boyz safe from tougher elites or go tank hunting, big choppa to clear away enemy chaff infantry even faster than 30 boys normally would.

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Thoughts


242 =Longstrike with smart missile systems railgun+ 2 seeker missiles.

42 = Cadre fireblade with marker light

43 = 5 firewarrior team with marker light
127 = devilfish with gun drones

43 = 5 firewarrior team with marker light
127 = devilfish with gun drones

40 = 5 firewarrior team
127 = devilfish with gun drones

67 = 6 pathfinders with rail rifle

59 = 5 pathfinders with rail rifle

52 = 5 pathfinders with ion rifle and pulse accelerator drone

188 = Hammerhead with ion cannon and gundrones

171 = hammerhead with ion cannon and gundrones

171 = hammerhead with railgun and gundrones

1499

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>>53654520

Where are the Riptides?

>>53654329
remember re-roll your opponent's dice shitposter?

>>53654114
Tank Commander no
Pask yes

>>53654388
Mk 4 legs, a chestpiece from the sternguard set, and a mk 2 helmet.

I lengthened the torso with greenstuff because Sons of Antaeus are supposed the tallest and largest of all chapters. Plus they're based on death guard geneseed so I really played up the deathu are links, with the chem flamer etc.

>>53654492
>Salamanders
more like Salaniggers, amirite?

>>53654520

Play a match and find out

>>53654467
>>53654470
Where does it say that? I've looked through those leaks quite a few times and haven't saw it yet?
Do you mind posting a screencap of those rules?

>>53654266
At least its not cheetah faggot

>>53654200
Page 24 of the rulebook, It's kinda Age of Sigmar style.

YOU have to lean in and whisper orders to Pask, and if Pask gives you orders back then you may reroll ones in melee

>>53654503
>>53654503

I don't really have great snipers as deldar or psychic powers so Reaver Jetbikes will have to do I guess. Aha sorry it's been a long day

>>53654473
Always Klawz unless you don't have the points. I like the aesthetics of a big choppa though. They're a bit more reliable damage wise (always 2 instead of D3) and hit easier but not nearly as hard.

>>53654569
They've hidden some rules in the battleforged section. Late in the PDF.

>>53654200
Because it specifically says tank orders can't target characters.

>>53654549
I actually kinda wish you could reroll opponent's rolls except only as a Tzeentch specific thing so we can mess with our opponents and try doing things like making them fail certain rolls.

>>53653738
Alright breh, I'll do a rainbow warrior with full on Aztec references.

red paint across eyes, light brown skin, and a Saurus bone club as a hand weapon.

>>53654558
I only have one riptide. And i only played one game in 7th and the riptide wasn't included.

but now i can run the xenos armored company i always wanted to.

>>53654154
Shoot him to death with an ocean of termagants.

Charge him to death with an ocean of genestealers.

>>53654565
would require people to play against.

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Is this implying theres no dg termies??

>>53654659
No, silly. DG full release soon, terminators were even teased in the trailer.

>>53654520
I'm not sure about your setup on the Pathfinders

>>53654600
that would actually be very fluffy and an interesting unique mechanic. i approve.

>>53654584
On phone. Can you link a pdf or post the page? I can't access the mega.

What army combos do you think will be the best with the new keyword rules? I think it would be cool to try a Space Marine/Tau/Necron combo. The lore wouldn't even be hard to work out. They would just be a group of anti-racists joining hands to bring down the construct of human supremacy and smash xenophobia.

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>>53653553
Question for those of you who saw the IG v Custodes game yesterday. How did they run the Custodes force if the Custodes don't have an HQ? Unfortunately I missed it.

>>53654588
Its matched play only. which everyone will be playing.

>>53654676
if its not obvious each pathfinder team is paired up with a fire warrior team in a devilfish.

I also don't need too many marker lights since as long as my other hammer heads are near long strike they're hitting on 2+, or 3+ if they moved.

the idea is to button up and move once things look like complete shit. since everything in the army can move 12 and fly when mounted. I dunno about damage output though.

also rail rifles are cool looking.

>>53654671
Why even buy the index if you play deathguard then?

>>53654715
0/10, tried too hard.

>>53654715
Faction Imperium

>>53654726
you can nominate a unit to be your HQ

>>53654726
Custodes can be an HQ choice, but they included Greyfax instead.

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>>53654760
Where it written?

>>53654775
On the page that's missing from the leaks

So is it just me or do night spinners look just as good if not better than fire prisms now? 2d6 S7 D2 attacks with rending, vs 1d3 S9 D1D3 attacks with baked in AP-4. The only things S7 isn't wounding on at least a 4 are land raiders and knights n shit.

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>>53654741
Beautiful. Thank you.

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>>53654682
I'd actually really enjoy messing with my opponent using something like that, it would be quite fun. And easily make up a bit for the lack of more unique and fun psychic abilities for at least my TS.
>using inferno bolters, make important enemy unit that's nearly dead have to save on a 6+
>they make that roll and are about to block the shot
>spend CP to enact the will of tzeentch and reroll it into a 2, killing their unit and turning the tide of the match

>>53654520
Railhead is cheaper.

>>53654817
Railhead is also worse.

So you have to pay for all the wargear a unit has separately?

So does that mean if you buy an upgrade you also have to pay for the standard weapon and the weapon you're replacing it with (ie. boltgun and the plasmagun) or do you just pay for the upgrade weapon?

>>53654659
>chaos lord on palanquin

Anyone have that teaser image of the slug like thing with heaps of tiny feet.

I'm willing to bet it's this.

>>53654817
yeah i fucked up some points values on the list too since at the last moment i swapped out ion cannon and hammerhead.

but with only 17 points cheaper, i could get some cheap seekers. but i like the utility of the ion cannon. since the more seekers i take the more important my marker lights become.

especially against multi wound model squads.

Is it worthless to keep the BRB? Especially if core rules are being released?

>>53654841
No, you just pay for the model and whatever wargear they have or that you give them. If you want to say, swap a hotshot lasgun for a plasma gun, you pay 9+7 points instead of 9+1.

>>53654388
>>53654554
I was just about to ask what happened to his legs. His added tallness looks like it's only in the lower torso

>>53654715
That's the beauty of the Dark Imperium side of Nu40K

>Marine Chapter stranded on the wrong side of the tear. Runs into 4th Wave Tau
>Tau fight Marines
>Suddenly Daemons everywhere.
>Tau + Marines join forces to survive.
>Suddenly Necrons.
>Necrons wake up and help the survivors. Necron's hatred for Chaos trumps all (including their hatred vs. Eldar). Marines and Tau are pragmatic (both are cut off from reinforcements) join forces with the quirky Necron Overlord who accepts them as his vassals.

>But Marines won't ally with Tau.
The Steel Legion allied with ORKS on Armageddon to survive the Daemonic Incursion in 8e

>>53654671
Don't you mean pestilent rotbulwarks™?

>>53654849
The 7th edition one? Unless you travel back in time and get stuck playing 7th it has no value except as a collectors item. 8th Edition are most certainly valuable.

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Have any of the new 8th edition imperial armor books leaked yet? I'm desperately trying to find rules for tyranids with no luck.

>>53654841
You pay for everything that a model is equipped with.

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>that feel when you know your idea is stupid but still want to do it

<Raven Guard> 1500 point Patrol

Captain with MC boltgun and DJ power sword (83)

5 Scouts, 1 combi-melta (74)
Land speed storm, multimelta (112)

5 Scouts, 1 combi-melta (74)
Land speed storm, multimelta (112)

5 Scouts, 1 combi-flamer (66)
Land speed storm, heavy flamer (102)

5 Scouts, 1 combi-flamer (66)
Land speed storm, heavy flamer (102)

3 scout bikers, 3 twin boltguns, 1 power sword (85)

2 land speeders, 2 heavy bolters, 2 assault cannons (222)

10 devastators, 2 lascannon, 2 plasma cannon, 1 power sword (226)

Stormtalon, twin assault cannon, skyhammer missile launcher (169)

1493 points.

>>53654841
This system is precisely made so that if two units, one equipped with chainsword and the other with power sword, both choose to take thunder hammers, the second one doesn't end up spending more points because of the difference in cost between the power sword and the chainsword

No, you don't have to include the cost of the standard equipment, unless they are still carrying it

>>53654846
I guess. I dunno, I probably should have thought of a more interesting example situation to use that would be able to show the potential strength of such an ability but I couldn't really think of one so I should probably just sleep.

>>53654877
no, we havne't seen any of them yet

I need your help.

A friend says you DONT have to pay point values for wargear (he says "does not include wargear" only accounts special weapons etc.).

How the fuck do I make it clear to him that you HAVE to pay for standard wargear?

Actual evidence please.

>>53654748
Eh, not really too sure to be quite honest. I guess to play them earlier on in 8th and have access to other unit profiles?
But why would what's in the index be their unit limitation when they seem to have a little coming in later? At the very least they need the termies and Mortarion, if not maybe a little more.

>>53654925
First things first, does he play daemons?

Allying factions should have just awarded your opponents a rising tide of command points. Making it illegal across the board is lame.

>>53654886
>filename
I had a good laff

>>53654925

Why would bolters and rifles and all that stuff have point values then if you didn't need to buy them?

>>53654925
Your friend can't read. Every piece of equipment is wargear, hence the entire section being called "(Army Name) Wargear."

>>53654155

Airborne is the rule that does that, not fly

>>53654870
IW and IF teamed up to fight Orks. I'd love to see more of the renegadish Legions (Alpha,NL,IW) team up with loyalists to beat up aliens or even fight against particularly zealous Chaos forces that threaten them both. I could see Papa Pert sending in troops to smash Word Bearers summoning daemons a little to close to one of his planets.

>>53654925
Things you don't have to pay for specifically are listed as zero points.

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>>53654925

>>53654862
>>53654908
>>53654923

>>53654659
Just realized theres no bikers on this list either jeez gw

>>53654925
Buy him a book
https://www.amazon.com/English-Made-Easy-One-Approach/dp/0804845247

>>53654925
Wargear list at the start of each faction section
Everything listed there costs points, Some cost 0. But you must pay even for base equipment.

>>53654876
The 8th edition BRB

>>53654943

he says becuase sergeants or whatever can equip bolters etc.

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I'm in love with the new sister's Acts of Faith even if they did butcher the battle conclave/inquisitorial warband utterly beyond repair.

But whatever happened to pic related?

It's a new model who had rules, I thought that meant it would meet the transition criteria for 8th.

I'm still using the model but would be nice to know what happned.

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Trying to post a list for comments, constantly getting "Error: Our system thinks your post is spam."

Frustrating

>>53654925
Books literally say to. From the 8th edition index books:

"If you are playing a matched play game, or a game that uses a point limit..." "... simply add together the points values of all your models, as well as the wargear they're equipped with..."

>>53655007
screencap it

>>53655007
Stop posting your MSU eldar bike list then

>>53655007
Does your post include a dot com url?

>>53654994
Shes a normal canoness

I miss the morosely grim imperium of the early editions

>>53654925

Go to the main rules, look at what part of the profile constitutes 'wargear' and that the rules specify all 'wargear' must be paid for and he will see that it includes the weapons the model is equipped with.

>>53654659
there are more DG to be released. mortarion isn't listen on here as well

>>53655021
That's a PitA

>>53655022
Not eldar

>>53655025
No

>>53655007

You're telling people to go back to red dit

is the tsons match over yet?

>>53653666

Sons of Medusa.

>>53654925
Whack him in the head with the rulebook or an index, hard, then tell him he's a fucking moron and to learn to read and understand basic english.

>>53655007
have you already posted the exact same list on /tg/ recently? like in another thread?

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Going to have my first 8th edition game in a few days and I was wondering - is there really much point to 5++ with the new AP system ? Most weapons will reduce their save to 4+ or 5+ so they will still use their armor save and mortal wounds outright ignore invulnerable saves.

>>53655067
No, posted a somewhat similar list two days ago but this one has gone trough several revisions.

>>53655080

Yeah, I heard about Magnus entering and smoking a termy squad right off the bat

>>53653660
what is that?

Anyone have any input on 3rd party weapons for IG? Melta and plasma weapons primarily.

Hard to get the damn things via GW...

>>53655079
getting shot with any melta type weapons and such and there are some things that just ignore armor

>>53655079

There are things with rend -4 and -5 which the 5++ kicks in for

But yeah 2+ saves with 2W are cool

>>53655088
all i can think of is formating with special characters, the image you're trying to post, or if some how in your string of words you're trying to post a word that might be rather meme unintentionally. especially one of the more banned types of memes.

>>53655079

Wait until you get ghettoblasted by a Lascannon or AP -3 weapon.

>>53654994
They did muck things up. Not sure how I want to roll with it yet. I'm considering doing 6 with Mauls and a Jokero. Also considering doing a gun variant of that.

Also considering using the 5 Sisters of Silence models I have and doing an Inquisitor with 4 Acolytes and the 5 of them in a SoS Rhino together.

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>>53653666
Sons of Medusa are pretty awesome.

>>53655173

The catch with jokaero is that they can't ride in any transport since they lack the Authority rule

So no transport for them
At all

>>53654327

Storm Warden and Red Scorpion. Represent for Forge World and FFG.

>>53655168
With those weapon it's still like you don't have the invulnerable, since you still have a 5+ armor save
It's only with AP-4 or better weapons like the meltagun that it matters

>>53655152

No special characters
Gets blocked with or without a picture
Cannot see any meme (unless Creed is auto-banned)

>>53655173
I think only the inquisitor can ride with the SoS. Unless the acolytes have the Authority rule that I'm too lazy to check.

>>53655208
That's exactly how no feel about my SoB shield of faith now. It's literally only useful against ap-4 or better and that's IF I'm not in cover. They're not exactly common weapons.

>>53655212
Well there's your problem. He needs to be written in full caps, with a bunch more "E"s in it

>>53653788
You just did

>>53655216
>>53655198
Ah okay that makes sense for Jokero.. Acolytes can ride in any too like Inquisitors.

Anon, does ability of vox-caster apply on Imperial Navy Officer? He cannot give orders?

>>53654520
Looks like a great army, and the lack of battlesuits makes me a happy tanker.

I'm developing a Guard's respond to that list:

Battalion 1:
Pask Battle Cannon and Lascannon
Tank Commander Battle Cannon and Lascannon

3x infantry with HBs
Platoon Commander
Commissar

Assault Veterans with shotguns, 2 Flamers, power sword
Command Squad with 3 meltas and a taurox
Platoon Commander

Battalion 2:
Tank Commander BC&L
Tank Commander BC&L

3x Infantry w/ HBs

Platoon Commander
Commissar

>>53655127
Ah, right, forgot that melta has -4 so I guess that's something.
>>53655168
Lascannons and other AP-3 weapons still put you at armor save 5+.

>>53655313
You can add a heavy flamer to your assault vets without swapping anything else out for it

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>>53653553

>>53655239
Yeah, my Skitarii only get their Bionics save that replaced their Feel No Pain against what would have been AP2 weapons. Not QUITE as bad, but still nowhere near as cool, especially since I have light and heavier vehicles, beepboops and dug-in Skitarii getting to 3+ armour anyway. Anyone shooting plasma and lascannon at my Skitarii in this age of Split Fire is either an idiot or has no better targets, and I don't think the 6++ will swing either of those games around much.

Please, Admech codex and IA14, please give us flavourful rules rather than just more boring buffs, especially since we're already pretty shiny in 8e.

Let;s see if it's the repeated HTW that are triggering the automod

1500 Astra Militarium:

>Spearhead detachment (602)
Commissar Yarrik (130)
Company commander (30)
6x HWT - 3x lascannon (72x6)

>Spearhead detachment (662)
Commissar - 2x chainsword (30)
Ministorum priest - chainsword (35)
50x Conscripts (150)
50x Conscripts (150)
4x HWT - 3x missile launcher (72x4)
2x HWT - 3x mortar (27x2)

>Supreme command detachment (190)
Lord castellan CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEED- Warlord - Inspiring leader (70)
4x Company commander (30x4)


Comments?

>>53655391
Thank you for your intelligent contribution.

>>53655391
i chuckled a little at it.

>>53655391
Wrong. It was funny.

Its a light hearted nobledark take on the setting.
>muh serious canon

>>53655306
bump

>>53655374
>losing on onjecivrs: the list

You have no mobility at all. You're either going to table your opponent or get stomped.

Likely the latter since you have no charge prevention besides range and range is a poor measure of charge precvention when even the slowest vehicles can move 10".

My group is pretty chill about bringing 30k units in games of 40k and we're trying to figure out a reasonable way to convert the thousand sons osiron dreadnought into 8th. Anyone have any ideas for it's force blade powerfist and psychic stuff?

>>53655434

With orders the conscript blob can advance 12"+2d6

>>53655374
commissars have to pay 1point for their bolt pistols

>>53653660
are mortars good now?

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>>53655374
You need so much bags for dead...

>>53655354
Ran out of points :/

>>53655313
you can make a counter list to a takes all comers list, that's not how it works.

>>53655470

They are cheap

>>53655467

Well spotted

>>53655426
>make statement
>make counter-statement

>>53655456
x2 str -3 ap 3+d3 damage
can cast 2 powers and deny 1-2

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>>53655391
Shit tastes friend, but regardless of how you feel about the series, it has some great meme potential.

>>53655471

A won battle with 95% casualty rate is a won battle!

>>53655132

Hahaha Magnus is ridiculous
Super Smite murders and his melee is absurd

His melee hits on a 2+, wounds on a 2+ and ignores 3+ and worse armour saves. 21 possible wounds in one fight.

He can kill in one turn anything short of a Stompa.

>>53655465
Ah, missed the blobs. Might work, then.

>>53655467

Good thing the list has 1 commissar and the total was 1499

Would have hated to be forced to downgrade another HWT

>>53655474
*can't


tailoring a list to beat an opponents specific army is poor form especially in a pick up game.

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Was there a verdict on Ogryns/Bullgryns?
I like the idea of using a big fat unit as an assault screen.

>>53655313
I should point out that this gives me 9 command points BUT 5 of those points are for all intents and purposes already spent: I need those reroll so my bloody battle cannons will behave!

>>53655511
How many points is he

I bet a shadowsword could take him

>>53655434
Listen to this Anon. I tried to do infantry heavy gun line guard. 40k will always be forever slanted towards allowing men with sharp objects to charge and survive through a hail of gunfire in order to poke you. And your gun will magically stop working once they are able to do so.

>>53655473
You NEED that heavy flamer!

NEED IT!!

>>53655538
Bullgryns with slabshields and mauls are better than terminators. Squeeze 4 into a valkyrie for a turn 1 charge.

Ogryns are REALLY cheap for their toughness and points but not very killy. They also die easier than Bullgryns.

I'm short they're good now. Not broken but good.

>>53655548

Hello 8th edition

Conscript blob gets charged, fires 100 snap shots.

Loses some models in the melee, plus 1 for morale thanks to commissar.

Next turn backs away, and with 2 company commanders ordering it fires back with 2x shots re-rolling to hit and wound.

>>53655538
They are good.

>>53655306

He allows other officers to use his vox to give orders

>>53655541
425

or 21 PP

>>53655581
You can't order a unit more than one time a turn you absolute retard

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anyone want to buy old thousand sons a daemon prince and chaos termies for cheap or a small force of blood angels

Can I play landraiders again? Which variant is the best? I have many and they have sucked for a long time.

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>>53654804
This makes me sad. I ran the math on this because of this post and found Pic Related.
Looks like for the most part, the fireprism is a trap option.
Its only superior against t7+ sv2+ or better, or terminators out in the open, or t3 sv2+, of which I think its JUST celestine.

>>53655596

Wait he doesn't even have a vox now

>>53653854
Riptide

>>53655626

>Calls air strike by shouting very loud

Does anyone already have homebrew rules for this edition?

My playgroup is letting Slaanesh and Tzeentch Chaos Sorcerers generate psychic abilities from the respective chaos daemons lists until they get their own lists

>>53655474
It's not tailored. When I said guard's response I just meant a guard equivalent to a mech list. But sense orders let me move faster than transports I have no reason reason to take them except for the small melta squad. And even that one aim taking more because I want to show off my chimera conversions than because it's effective.

The fact that battle cannons are now the best anti tank guns but still okay for infantry lead me to make them all AT kitted, then let the infantry fight the infantry.

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>>53655633
>MAIM KILL BURNI

Anon, being Khornate is no excuse for getting a catchphrase wrong and misspelling.

>>53654021
GK

>>53655633
>burn
>only 2 flamers
You doing it wrong and why your hellbrute have only 1 hand?

>>53655541
magnus could flip one on turn one if you play it right but honestly more than likely the shadow swords screen of conscripts would be to much to punch though and then magnus would get blasted

>>53655573
AND I NEED MY TECHPRIEST TOO BUT HE WONT FIT AAARGH!

>>53655643

Flare gun

>>53655598
Hmm. He's about equivalent to a barebones shadowsword. Assuming he's titanic, and I see no reason for him not to be...

Shadowsword would get at least 1 shooting phase off because nothing that strong can cross the board in one turn.

But on average the shadowsword deals only 6 wounds to him.

Damn, he's nasty.

>>53655671
This is pretty cool but how is the battle cannon killing 2.92 guardsmen if it only statistically lands 1.75 shots average? Or is BS ignores on this table?

>>53655705
he is not titanic and he can turn one assult

>>53655581
>get charged by a chaff unit of 5 warptalons
>no overwatch
>get charged by 10 zerkers
>talons kill 5
>zerkers kill 28
>???
>Blood for the Blood God!

>>53655705
>because nothing that strong can cross the board in one turn.

16" Move & a 4+ to cast Warp Time to move another 16" all with Fly
A neat 32" Movement phase.

>>53655671
Neat.

>>53655723
That's the Baneblade cannon, you idiot.

>>53655608
Maybe he meant 2 conscript blobs needing a commander each and by 2x he meant rapid fire?

>>53655643
I've always interpreted VOX casters as being able to handle several channels of comms all at once, whereas Guardsmen and all vehicles do get some basic radio but it only broadcasts over one or two channels. Thus during battle where everyone wants to shout over the comms all at once, they can't, otherwise they step on each other's transmissions. So where range comes into play, units without VOXs can physically shout or do hand/arm signals to get the attention of whoever they're trying to talk to whereas people with VOXs can just send a message and it can be heard and answered when the VOX op can get to it, so long as they are in range.

Or at least that's my personal headcannon because I can't bring myself to believe an organization that's supposed to be as massively coordinated as the Guard doesn't give out at least a basic walky-talky out to their troops and vehicles.

>>53655723

http://www.3plusplus.net/2017/06/astra-militarum-tank-weapons-40k-8th-ed/#more-12718

>>53655723
your reading the wrong row.
that's the baneblade cannon.
Battlecannon is 1.46 GEQ on that table.

>>53655671
Nice

Just as i thought Stormeagle Rockets are the best all-around IG weapon right now, only outclassed by superheavy cannons, taking into account that Taurox Primes have BS3+ makes the Taurox Gatling the best IG anti-horde weapon going by this chart

>>53655789
>rerolling to hit and to wound
>firing after fall back

No he's definetly a retard

>>53655657
misunderstood you then.

especially since you didn't go all meched out. I get why you wouldn't take transports especially with orders but its not a real armored company if not everything can be mounted turn 1. though i do get why you'd want to get those sweet sweet rerolls.

>>53655671
>Dem earthshaker cannons.
Pretty good for less than a Russ.

>>53655780
Tiny screen+farsighted=stupid mistakes

>>53655671
>>53655723
while interesting, these charts make some assumptions, too. from the article the chart is from

>The weapon stats are shown in blue, with a column in green and red for each enemy. For example, a Guard with Toughness 3, 5+ Save and 1 Wound. Pay attention just to the Toughness, Save and Wound listed about each column; the T7 3+ 8W column is relevant for the majority of Marine and Tau vehicles we’ve seen so far.

The results down a column is the number of “Expected Wounds”. For example, a Lasgun kills about .33 Guardsman, on average. You may prefer to consider the inverse, 1/0.33 = 3 Lasguns will kill one Guardsman, on average. You don’t have to understand what the numbers mean exactly, just “higher is better”.

Some caveats: The charts assume BS4+, stationary firer, no cover, and Rapid Fire weapons are at short range. There is assumed to be an unlimited unit size (because that one time a Stormshard Mortar kills 24 Space Marines counts towards the average). Damage gets “capped” so for example, a Volcano Cannon that rolls 10 damage only counts as 2 against a Primaris. I’ve picked 10 targets given input from the Chatbox. Some of the weapon stats are taken from leaks and thus could be wrong. Also, I might have made a mistake somewhere in the excel formula, leaving this article based on a pack of lies!

>>53655671
10/10.

I'd love one of these for each faction. I know it is just fraction multiplication in excel, but I really appreciate the effort.


Also, could a Stompa take on Magnus?

>>53655705

16'' move right off the bat and not titanic
4++ too

>>53655803
>Battlecannon is 1.46 GEQ on that table.
Woo, shooting conscripts it'll only take about 30 turns to make up it's points.

>>53655671
Do the rapid fire weapons assume they're at long range or close?

I also assume this is all at BS4+

>>53655391
>Getting butt blasted by memes

>>53655887
look here >>53655819

>>53655849
>shooting at basically the worst target option has poor results.
wow. such wisdom.

>>53655511
>21 possible wounds

Try 24 average against Imperium units, enough to murder Knight on a charge.

With Death to the False Emperor he can generate more attacks 6s. With Prescience that happens on 5s. Plus he can reroll 1s on his 2+ to hit.

Not to mention his brutal mobility. With Warpfate he can move 32" and still charge afterwards, allowing him to get that crucial first attack.

>>53655849

You forgot it's 10 heavy bolters, demolisher and autocannon

Also literally nothing, including conscripts, can kill its value in conscripts in a reasonable amount of time and I will be happy to hear of any exceptions to this rule

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>>53655923

>the only guys who can even stand a chance at dealing with Magnus reasonably are grey knights

Huh

How...appropriate, I guess

>>53655938
Again only 2 flamers. Even tzeenchists do this better

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>>53655938
>He STILL got his catchphrase wrong

>>53655923

I don't even understand how some armies are supposed to deal with Magnus.
Especially since he only costs roughly 400 points and people can bring him in small 500 pt games if they wanna be like that

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>>53655992
>implying khornate have brain

>>53655928
>Also literally nothing, including conscripts, can kill its value in conscripts in a reasonable amount of time and I will be happy to hear of any exceptions to this rule
Equal points in devilgaunts will kill them in 4 turns of shooting, which isn't impossible.

With buffs from the Tervigon and 20+ models for living ammo they can do it in 3 turns.

>>53655923
What are his defences like? I know he's fuckall points for what he does, but could you, say, fire six Neutron Lasers at him over a few turns and pray you crit him a couple times?

>>53655938
Maim kill burn was what they shouted in Dawn of War, which sounds a lot better than the technically more correct kill maim burn. KMB violates some rule of word structure to make it sound icky to the ears, whereas MKB does not.

>>53655972
Vanilla Marines have Null Zone for "No Invulnerables Allowed".

If that goes off and Magnus is in range. He ain't gonna be alive much longer.

>>53655494

You need to be 18 to post on 4chan.

>>53656039
T7 W18 4++ rerolling 1s. Losses 2"(starts at 16"), 1A(starts at 7) and 1 psychic bonus(starts at 2).

While he can be brought down, he is tankier than a knight.

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>>53653762
Debating which color looks better on my Khorne Berserkers. The Khorne Red one is a relic from my early painting days, which is why it only has two colors.

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>>53656068
Ill help you. Its maim burn kill, not maim kill burn. And you cant burn smthng without flamer

>>53656078
Mortal wounds fuck him.

With all this magnus talk, has someone figured out how many lascannons it takes to kill him in one turn?

>>53656091
Might want to start with thinning your paints.

>>53656078
OK then. Reliance on invulns might mean theoretical Vanguard Spam could at least chip away at him, and Null Zone and Fulgurites will fuck him up royally.

How does combat range work in 8e, by the way? Can you all fight, or is it within 1" after 3" Pile In, or something else? Trying to calculate how many rave sticks I will need.

>>53656036

Pretty decent but still crazy tarpit on tarpit action

>>53656106
11.6, discounting hits.

>>53656140
You won't win, anon. The Cheetah is the fastest shitposter on the internet.