Can we have a Starcraft lore thread? I like the Protoss.

2 fucked up the lore too much. Heart of the Swarm was most egregious

>>53644475
Brotoss bestoss

>my life for hire

>>53644536

It was a shame we moved away from the grey to "oh noes the ancient ebil is coming" but to be fair they had laid the ground work in brood war for it with Duran.

Mengsk did nothing wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6bVj-nTkiU&t=4s

>>53644684
SC2 also changed the origin story of the Zerg.

>>53644536
2 could have been good if kerrigan died in the end
HotS could have been redeemed if jim killed kerrigan or if mengsk killed kerrigan
by LotV they were just going through the motions. I don't even think we got to see half of those protoss chieftans from the future vision in wings of liberty.

As much as I dislike what sc2 did to the lore, I like that now we have some flavor for the Protoss tribes, zerg broods and Terran factions.

>>53644755
Kerrigan should have actually sacrificed herself in 3 to atone, not become generic energy god number 17.

>>53644778
worse still
>tassadar was xel'naga all along guys!
>now he and kerrigan are gonna fuuuuse!

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>>53644666
>My wife for hire

>>53644698
What were the zerg before?
I've never played the campaigns but I did some reading on the lore recently. Were they always created to be "pure of essence" thing or was it something else before?

>>53645102
They were always pure of essence, but they were different in the original starcraft manual. They started out as just tiny little bugs (what would become larva) that the Xel'naga supercharged into bodystealer parasites that could control the evolution of their hosts. They made the Overmind to keep their essence pure, but then the Overmind went skynet on them and devoured most of the Xel'naga.

Is there any character better than the Overmind?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RF6ONgoWzc

>>53645230
No, shame they nerfed him in 2 by making Him a slave.

>>53645230
Mengsk, though I'd say that's down to preference.

>>53645272
Mengsk is a magnificent bastard, but he doesn't match the raw presence of the Overmind.

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>>53644475
>make a space confederacy
>have it be destroyed and the survivors ruthlessly exploited

Fuck me man.

>>53645329
The space confederacy was also in the business of enslaving people. Coincidence?

>>53645290
he oozes personality, which is why I prefer him
My favorite protoss character is Aldaris.
Dude has a solid arc.

>>53645147
Didn't one xel'Naga program the zerg to go after the protoss because reasons? Or was that only a thing in SC2?

>>53645698
SC2. Originally, the Overmind just learned about them when it devoured the Xel'naga and wanted to devour them too, becoming "perfect".

This series was so good when it was a few noble-minded people trying to deal with the fact that their factions are run by various kinds of asshats, and the big twist was when one of the protagonists only wanted to kill her evil boss so she could take the throne herself.

Then we spent two whole games undoing and un-undoing the big twist and wrap the entire fucking thing up as a bunch of Just As Planned destiny shit by a bunch of deities that had no foreshadowed motivations.

I can write a better story arc than that in the time it takes to take a shit. The Xel'Naga show up and take over everything. The protagonists team up to form a resistance, and actually succeed, but Kerrigan betrays them at the last second and takes over the Xel'Naga instead of destroying them. We go make Protoss/Zerg hybrids in a last ditch attempt to overthrow her, which succeeds. The galaxy is at "peace" because now there's a five-race clusterfuck and nobody can get the upper hand.

>>53645340
No. Probably not.

>>53644778
Everyone needed a happy ending. Even the Zerg just chill on Char now.

>>53644536
There really wasn't that much lore to begin with I didn't mind it.

>>53645230
Zeratul.

He was every cool character imaginable.
He was a ninja, he was a wise old man, he was an honorabu warrior, he knew how to talk shit as well.

https://youtu.be/5MYX8H_-Gw0?t=3m8s

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>>53644475
They could probably hand Post-SC2 content off to other writers and have it come out with something interesting. Now that Amon and all that nonsense is done and there's an active Xel'Naga stand-in going around flushing life into the universe again, there's potential for all kinds of new species to pop up. Cultures that'd only just reached space-flight outside the Terran Dominion and suddenly have a population spike rush for colonial expansion right into a Kel-Morrion Combine facility and initiate a poor first contact. Colonial Terran worlds suddenly find species that were thought intelligent but only nascent in societal construction suddenly flourishing and reaching out, taking to Terran tech and methods astoundingly well. Plant-based bio-rganic weedpatches ravenously tear into rogue Zerg cerebrate swarms and Zagara's Swarm revels in the new life as an opportunity to gather and test countless new strains. The Protoss' new union is under constant stress of cultural clashing among the various tribes, complicated further by the fired-and-forgotten Zerg assaults that Kerrigan sent their way in Heart of the Swarm. Among the Terrans, the former Emperor's loyalists and zealots still pop up after their rebellion/coup failed, and Vallerian and company are having a harder time holding the Dominion together than Mensk ever did. Entities like the KM Combine, secretive human "advancement" groups, and even old confederate holdouts are emboldened in the Dominion's weakening grasp after the fall of the Defenders of Man.

And somewhere, out in the darkest reaches of the Dominion's renegades, pirates and cut-throats...
Mira Han plots to conquer it all in the name of getting Matt Horner's sweet ass.

>>53646284
there were plenty.

>>53644802
>tassadar was xel'naga all along guys!
No he wasn't. Don't be dense.

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>>53646284
One game, plus expansion pack.
Liberty's Crusade.
Shadow of the Xel'Naga.
Speed of Darkness.

A trilogy of novels centering around a protoss living archive forced to reside in the mind of a terran and their efforts to try to preserve that knowledge while dodging various dangers, interested parties, and the fact that having a psionic presence riding around in his head was giving him brain cancer. Lots of fluff for the protoss.

A few comics/manga came out for it, some anthology format and one mercifully discontinued Nova: Ghost Academy.

A pair of novels for Jim and Tychus' backstory.

The original SC1 Player's guide had plenty to work with. Am I missing any?

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>>53646537
Oh right, Nova's own backstory novel.

>>53646384
I'd fuck Horner

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>>53646578
Yes Mira that's pretty much the joke.

>>53646562
The stuff surrounding the ghosts was pretty neat, when it escaped teen drama angst nonsense.

Shame they'll never actually finish Ghost.

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SELENDIS A CUTE!

>>53644684
Accidentally stumbling on that special mission and seeing what Duran really was was a crazy moment for 12 year old me. I had no idea Blizzard would fuck it up so bad 11 years later.

I always wondered: does anyone think that a Starcraft warband or wargame could work?

Like... I hate to make the 40k reference, because some anonymous idiot is going to use that to start a dead argument again, but imagine using Warhammer 40k mechanics to field armies of Terrans, Protoss or Zerg against each other.

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>>53646788
Maximum cute. Supposedly later on it was said that she was the executor from SC1. Don't have a source on that, but mixed feelings.

>>53646730
>Shame they'll never actually finish Ghost.
Downloaded the model rip of Nova from HotS and modified it to have SC:Ghost in-game model proportions. All of the fun.

>>53646284
t. young fag who wasn't playing the game after school everyday in 2000

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Yes

>>53646081
>WoL happens as seen up until the very end. The artifact activates and kills/flatlines Kerrigan. When he learns of Space Anduin's double dealing Arcturus attacks his sons power base kicking off a Terran civil war.

>HotS starts off with an unnamed brood lord on Char. With the Terran occupation severely weakened by the civil war it is able to absorb other swarms on the planet and drive the Terran from the system. Quickly unifying other zerg in the sector it sets it's sights on Auir, landing and absorbing the remains of the Overmind. The second game ends with a resurgent Overmind in control of a newly unified Zerg and the Terran Dominion and Rebels battered and weakened.

>LotV is the Protoss last stand. Harnessing barely understood Xel'Naga technology and mustering the many factions of their people they push the Zeg back and eventually drive them off Auir. The Overmind escapes and retreats beyond the edges of the sector beaten but not vanquished.

>The use of Xel'Naga technology has acted as a beacon for something beyond the edge of the galaxy, which has turned and is heading towards Auir.

Just my head cannon.

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>Starcraft Remastered superior in every way
>Other than Starcraft 2 style Hydralisks

>>53646822
a starcraft tabletop game could absolutely work. Halo was more ill-fitting than SC for wargaming but still turned into a pretty solid game.

>>53646839
Missed the best bits with the censor bar there.

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>>53646839
Protoss do not have pussies.

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>>53646874
Didn't want to be banned.

>>53646881
Shh.

>>53646886
I mean you left her coochie unobscured.

>>53646893
Just noticed that and was hoping no one would point it out.

>>53646897
I'm not complaining.

>>53646788
that's kinda freaky looking to be honest. I liked it when Protoss were crusty faced things with no visible pupils

>>53645147
Oh really? I never finished the campaigns of even the original SC games but I got the impression that the Zerg were some sort of Terran weapon gone rogue? I recall there were beacons that they placed to call swarms to planets.

>>53646907
They butchered her appearance in Legacy of the Void for no particular reason.

>>53646822
Some anons stat up some units in 40k every few SC threads. Giving it its own system, or mostly own system, would be nice. Never played the official board game but supposedly that was decent.

>>53646886
He meant you missed censoring the pussy.

>>53646839
>Blackstrip over nipples
>Leave vag showing

Masterful censoring work you've done there mate

>>53646955
>>53646963
Deathly sick, interpreted that wrong. Wondering how long it's going to stay up.

>>53646822
Starcraft is pretty easy to translate into things, since the game differentiates most of the units with verbs instead of stats, and the things that are differentiated by stats are like zergling-zealot where it's such a huge difference that almost any conceivable stat system can capture it.

Fuck, back in college we used to play a loosely Starcraft-themed variant of Settlers Of Catan.

>>53646971
Since it's ker-fucked anyway, source?
Google can't find porn anymore and yandex is under maintenance right this second.

>>53646934
It's like leaving a trail of sugar water between an anthill and your neighbor's garden. You can make ants a problem for someone, but you didn't invent ants.

>>53646980
Artist is atryl, r34.

SC2 gave Protos WoW armour, was pretty silly.

>>53647631
It's fine. The ridiculous armor belonged to name characters and I think that's appropriate

>>53646822
>but imagine using Warhammer 40k mechanics to field armies of Terrans, Protoss or Zerg against each other.

Why on Earth would you use one of, if not the worst wargame in existence for that? There's endless hordes of much better sci-fi games out there, the only thing 40k has going for it is the nice models and that sure as fuck doesn't have anything to do with a potential Starcraft thing.

>>53645102
little brain worms

>>53647787
>Nice models
Not really. Passable ones, maybe.

Thanks to the sculptors doing what the fuck ever they want the entire range is badly out of scale and style from faction to faction, and on the topic of scale their "heroic 28mm" is still just an excuse to have monkey hands and ludicrous inhuman proportions.

>>53645102
Starcraft 1 lore:

>Protoss: Engineered because ??? by unknown aliens called Xel'naga. Unified as a race by a telepathic link that keeps their personalities in check and working in harmony while using crystal-based technology that responds to their thoughts and has built-in AI and shit. Xel'naga start to worry about the direction Protoss are going, and as a result the Protoss think their "gods" are abandoning them and launch an attack on Xel'naga ships which does basically nothing because it was primitives with stone spears against energy shielded metal. Not wanting to destroy the Protoss despite the race being a failure, the Xel'naga just leave. Protoss get a race-wide guilt spiral that is magnified by the whole race sharing emotions and experiences, causing a massive era of ludicrously bloody clusterfuck teamkilling until a philosopher named Adun decides that shit went on too long and codified how Protoss should behave and organized them into castes with responsibilities to each other. Some Protoss aren't happy with the Codex Protosstes that Adun made and decided to cut the nerve that ties the whole race together and be individualists. The society Adun created demanded he destroy them, but he packed them in ships and sent them to go live somewhere else instead. Protoss expand, while the second group create their own philosophy of drawing energy from outer space while the ruling caste become more and more overbearing douchebags. Protoss society begins to fall apart simply because there's nothing driving them onwards and the leadership is discouraging change. Then suddenly they discover Zerg.

>>53647886
>Zerg: After the failure of the Protoss, the Xel'naga decided to try again at creating the perfect lifeform because ???. They decided to start from the ground up rather than work with existing sentient animals and found tiny worms that lived on a lava planet and embedded themselves into other creatures as hosts. The Xel'naga decided more control would bring about a perfect lifeform, and bound all of the worms into a single intelligence called the Overmind. The Overmind grew more and more intelligent and powerful, then began hiding from the Xel'naga who were disturbed but fascinated by its rapid development into a scheming being. Then suddenly the Overmind threw all the Zerg at the Xel'naga, destroying them and consuming them into itself. It eventually attracted spacefaring creatures to infest, and began refining its insects into becoming creatures themselves rather than just infecting hosts. The Overmind also created lesser versions of itself called Cerebrates, and expanded its psychic link making the entire swarm just an extension of itself. It knew about the Protoss from the brains of Xel'naga it consumed and obssessed with absorbing them to become the ultimate lifeform. It also discovered humans, and found them to be a much more malleable creature similar to the Protoss. He kidnapped one of the strongest psychic ones he could find then made her into a modified Cerebrate with another Cerebrate put under her command.

>>53647929
>Terran: Earth became more and more of a unified military dictatorship as the years went by. After quite a bit of time basically being Shadowrun with no magic in the slums while the upper class and central world governments became Starship Troopers, scientists of the unified Earth decided to combine a holocaust with a research project by loading up all the mutants, psychics, criminals, freethinkers, insane, and anyone else who would fit onto gigantic colony ships to be sent into space. The system was buggy as fuck so one ship was destroyed, one disappeared without a trace, and one crashed far from where they were supposed to end up in the Koprulu sector. The Koprulu colonists formed into several planetary governments, which was united under a single Confederacy. The Confederacy soon saw itself less as a council and more as the dictators of the sector, carrying out espionage on its unhappy members like the Umojan Protectorate and outright waging war on the rebellious ones like Korhal while also conducting MANY fucked up experiments by using lobotomized/bomb-implanted/indoctrinated child soldiers as well as exposing civilians to just about anything they discovered. The son of the old leader of Korhal, Mengsk, started a rebellion and began by using the psychic child soldier who was sent to kill his very own family then recruiting territorial governors and old fashioned cowboys. Meanwhile, Zerg are starting to appear in massive numbers from fucking nowhere and nobody knows the extent of how deadly these things are, but the Protoss suddenly appear and exterminatus any planet that has Zerg for a certain amount of time...until suddenly they stop doing that. Nobody knows what the fuck is going on, but the Confederacy is going even more dictatorship than before and everyone is pissed off.

>>53647886
>>53647929
>>53647980
So the moral of Starcraft is this. Fuck conformity and insular attitudes, be an individualist who's capable of actually getting along with others.

>>53646537
Well gee i wasnt aware of all this thanks for correcting me.

>>53647991
You missed the
>Power of Love
From the epilogue of the last game, my friend :)

>>53644475
I also like protoss. Sexually.

>>53647991
>>53648418
After playing SC2 the moral of Starcraft seemed to be 'Don't punish people who commit genocide because they might be Space Jesus.'

>>53648506
SC2 wasn't really about morality so much as an alien squid manipulating everyone so his pawns could defeat another alien squid.
Nothing that Zeratul, Artanis, Kerrigan, or Raynor accomplish mean anything without Ouros' hand guiding them to the finish line. Their personal victories were all transient, temporary setbacks to a xel'naga.

>>53648506
"Chris Metzen is hell bent on ruining all of Blizzard's IP's" is what I took away from WoL and HotS.

>>53646537
Liberty's Crusade is a garbage book and not worth reading. It's just the plot of the Terran campaign with Jimmy sidelined in favor of the author's OC donut steel Michael Liberty, adventuring investigative reporter who becomes Mengsk's trusted confidant and Kerrigan's romantic interest, and the moral impetus behind the Hyperion deserting the Sons of Korhol after New Gettysburg falls.

>>53648561
>Raynor cucked
Man, no wonder Metzen killed Liberty off. Those self-inserts are hard to put down.

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>>53648561
That sounds like typical mary sue garbage. Does Michael liberty show up in other things?

>>53647980
You kinda took a little liberty here compared to the other two races.
Kel-morrians aren't even mentioned.
>>53648596
No I think they realised their mistake, most of the other books are alright for the most part. Jimmy and Tychus backstory is probably the best thing that came out of the sc2 books.

>>53646537
>aberration is roughly the same size as a marine

this list can't be right.

Aberrations walk over troops like that.

>>53647637
>its fine

it really isn't.

see artanis.

>>53647886
You are mixing Kas and Adun there.

Also, the Aeon of Strife lasted for eons, during which the protoss lost their pseudo hivemind unity. In fact, it was the growing loss of that unity that made the Xel'naga deem the protoss a failure, and that loss only magnified once the Xel'naga left and the protoss turned upon each other.

Kas rediscovered that link, and founded the philosophy of Khala around it.

Adun was an Excecutor that lived long after Kas was dead and the society of the protoss had been reformed around the Khala. The Dark Templar tribes were discovered then and the conclave feared that their disunity from the Khala would lead to another Aeon of Strife, so the Conclave demanded their destruction. Adun instead sought to spare them and helped them escape on a Xel'Naga worldship that was left on Aiur, which made him a hero to the Dark Templar.
That's the reason why the Dark Templar units say "Adun Toridas" in Starcraft.

>>53645482
I always wondered what the heck is up with Aldaris' voice between the cutscenes/mission briefings and when he's the in-game announcer, like I wonder why he sounds different unlike the Overmind and Adjutants who consistently use their same, respective voices.

>>53647929
>He kidnapped one of the strongest psychic ones he could find then made her into a modified Cerebrate with another Cerebrate put under her command.
More like he made that Cerebrate into her babysitter.

>>53649440
Beefslab Artanis has a fine design, it works for his new role as a strapping young warrior-king who leads from the frontline.

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Post more protoss

>>53646852
I'm gonna fucking say it.

Cowboy Bebop was overrated. Outlaw Star was a better show.

>>53649837
Disagree.

>>53649837
They are both great shows.

Bepop has loads more quality though.

>>53648547
I actually liked Wings of Liberty, but HotS and LotV were total garbage.

>>53649837
both are overrated and outlaw star had a terrible rushed ending

>>53646822
I think it'd work fine, especially as a skirmish scale game. Hell, I saw something that looked like CMC300 armor in the reaper bones 3 kit and got those for our mid level starcraft group.
Naturally when I finally got the minis we're taking a little break to play fallout appalachia edition, but I still think it'd be cool

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>>53649735

>>53649902
Wings of Liberty didn't do a good job of selling me on Raynor's turnaround from wanting to kill Kerrigan to wanting to save her. The rest was fine.

>>53646509
Ghost Tassadar I assume he means

>>53650163
Three years and gallons of whiskey took the fire out of him. That's really all there is to say.

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>>53650163
I mean he did drink his ass off all the time and then had to go on a huge protoss bullshit vision quest which told him "If you kill her we're fucked".

Wings also had some interesting side quests and actually had interesting characters such as Tychus.

>>53650244
>>53650300
I get that, but the story was badly told.

What were they thinking in HotS?

>Kerrigan gets unzerged at the beginning but has to go be rezerged but she's a stronger noncorrupted zerg because it was on Zerus or something but then at the end of LotV she just becomes a space god anyways

It really makes it feel like they did not plan an overarching story from the beginning and instead kind of traipsed along with their only plan being "bad guy = ancient space god who wants to kill everything" or else someone would've realised how ridiculous Kerrigan's arc was

>>53650425
There was originally going to be some plot element about Kerrigan clones, the big reveal of which was leaked with the original low-rez pass on the Heart of the Swarm ending cinematic. So they scrapped it.

I actually think that multiple Kerrigans could've worked in the long run, especially if you treated the Queen of Blades as some kind of schizophrenic psychic construct independent from the Sarah Kerrigan persona.

>>53648561
>Kerrigan's romantic interest
I don't remember that. And he wasn't "Mengsk's trusted confidant" either, he was a communication tool for him until they break apart.
Not saying it's worth reading though, it's still just a retelling.

>>53644536
I dunno, Wings of Liberty was also pretty awful. I really didn't like how extensive and all-reaching Mengsk's propaganda corps was after a mere four years of being utterly racked by the events of Brood Wars, having pretty much is entire force destroyed (twice) and being chased off of Korhal.

And, for that matter, how the fuck are there so many Terrans in the Koprulu sector? I mean, 9 of the 13 Confed worlds had been overrun by the START of Zerg 1 the original campaign? That's not even going into all the other fighting later.

>>53650462
You could at least include the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFRoklGP7c

>>53650394
It would have worked a LOT better if Tychus and Jimmy had reversed their positions on Kerrigan, and Raynor only lets her live because he's finally convinced by just about everyone that he runs into that he NEEDS Kerrigan alive to avert some kind of disaster, and has a "I want to shoot you but I won't.... right now anyway" relationship.

>>53644803
>my strife for sire

>>53650567
The mockup of the fight scene at the beginning is kind of charming. It makes me think of the xbox/ps2 era of games.

>>53650425
Well in the first place "unzerging" her was a plan of the BBEG to consume her psionic power to revive a dead xel'naga.
Rezerging her was a plan of another xel'naga, who is an opponent of the dead-now-revived one. Otherwise, the revived one gets a free faction under his direct control and stomps all opposition.

It's completely coherent, you're just not actually looking at the overarching story. You're looking at the step by step process. Her becoming a space god at the end has nothing to do with the rest.

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>>53650527
There are more planets than the 13 with terrans. The 13 are just the core worlds the main infrastructure for the confederacy old families.

There is also the Umojan's who were barely touched in starcraft 1 and the Kel-Morians who were just raided by Kerrigan for minerals in one mission. Each have numerous worlds as well with Umojans having the smallest.

Mengsk was just them trying to make him as evil as possible for some reason.

>>53644475
>I like the Protoss.
I understand

>>53650721
It's not that I don't understand that each thing happened for a reason, not just arbitrarily, but when you look at the total storyline it looks ridiculous.

It's entirely redundant to have it happen and it's not like it particularly contributes anything to the story my dude

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>>53650724
>freedom is not free

>>53650567
> "Really my dear, did you honestly think..."
Why does this turn of phrase irks me so much?

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>>53650770
It's not redundant, it's literally the catalyst to revive Amon. Siphoning the zerg out of her was the culmination of the thousand-year-plan, and it also left a dominant faction of alien susceptible to immediate and absolute control, bolstering the bad guy's forces. It topples a major player and removes a potential threat for the bad guy.
Thus after that, she needed to reclaim her psionic potential and dominance of the Swarm, both for her personal desires (revenge on Mengsk) and as a crucial tactical advantage in the war to come (Zerg under Amon's control is an instant-loss for everyone else).
It's not redundant and both need to happen for the story to progress, unless they wanted to invent another, completely random method to revive Amon and remove the leader of the Swarm (and acquire a new leader of the Swarm capable of resisting Amon's influence). The entire plot would need to be rewritten without those events.

>>53650163
>>53650394
Way I've always seen it is that Raynor is aware that Kerrigan as who she was and the Queen of Blades are two very different creatures that just so happen to be made of the same organic meat.

Kerrigan is the woman he knew, that was basically killed when the Queen of Blades was born, in the same way that a Xenomorph isn't the person it grew inside.
Then he saw a chance to bring back Kerrigan and in doing so kill the Queen of Blades.
So he took it.

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How neoblizz will waste UED? They sure make it in game. Nova-like dlc where and ebil white cis UED trying to conquer sector. It will end Stukov supesaming evil DuGalle AI super mech.

>>53651042
Are you alright? Do you taste pennies? Smell burnt toast?

>>53650852
>Kerrigan is the woman he knew, that was basically killed when the Queen of Blades was born, in the same way that a Xenomorph isn't the person it grew inside.
This is still stupid. So if Sarah is dead who is new entity that is created by dezerging Queen of Blades? And besides in zerg campain she spare Jim twice. That not so characteristic for zerg lieutenant.

>>53651042
Despite how cool they were UED was a mistake.

If there is a faction that send only a small fraction of their forces without heavy gear and 1 (one) battleship and that faction is able to wreck the shit of entire sector, then all of inter-sector fight becomes irrelevant as UED could send a real fleet at any time and crush opposition.
Or they would have to recton UED invasion, so it wasn't small expeditionary force but major part of UED fleet.
But then why would Earth that had centuries of time and billions of people with industrial base head start, have similar milliary capacity to some redneck colonial militia?

>>53650724
Nobody get suspicious about new government which has a literally a whip as an emblem?

>>53649440
Artanis looks great. He's the warrior leader of his entire civilization. If anyone has bling, it should be him.

>>53652192
Didn't stop soviets.

Mengsk is classic rebels become what they were rebelling against scenario

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>>53652263
Hammer and sickle are crafting and farming implements and had no negative connotations before the soviet union. A whip is for slavery. Or maybe horses but, seriously, it's not like these people were founded on the principles of horse ranchers overthrowing the bourgeoisie.

>>53652490
>horse ranchers
Everyone looks like a cowboy in sc universe. Maybe the were horse ranchers.

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>>53644536
>>53644755
>>53648506
>>53648536
>>53650163
>>53650300
>>53650425
>>53650586

Among the SC2 stories, I actually like Heart of the Swarm the most.

Wings was okay, but the 'Jimmy still wuvs Karri' story was poorly told. I like that a human civil-war/revolution is was the core of the story, that's a good 'human' story and a reliable one to fall back on. I especially like that when Kerrigan first shows up, she's clearly a distraction from The Raider's true goal of revolution AND EVERYONE FUCKING CALLS RAYNOR OUT ON HIS BULLSHIT. There's even a pretty decent story about how his team is losing morale because of his distraction. Of course Zeratul shows up to save the day and tell Jimmy that he's totally justified in giving up his ambitions of revolution to go save his waifu. I feel Tychus should've had a frank conversation with James: 'You want to save her because you want to save her. This Zeratul save-the-world business is just an excuse you can pin your guilty conscious on.' Working with that dynamic would've made his turn slightly more believable, but I'm still not convinced that the Raynor I knew from Brood War would have any feeling left but hatred for the woman that killed Fenix. Ideally Kerrigan would die at the end, especially if Raynor truly does develop feelings for her. But if she FUCKING MUST live for Blizzard's merchandising there's a better way to do it. I agree with >>53650586, but on the other hand... for HotS to work Kerrigan needs to love Raynor. And for it not to seem like an abusive relationship (which would be an interesting story, and may actually fit the themes of HotS better, but I can understand why Blizzard would shy away from it) Raynor needs to return the feeling.

I actually genuinely dig the HotS story and it stands in direct contrast to WoL and LotV. While WoL and LotV are all about doing what we must to save the galaxy/humanity, HotS sets itself up as a villain's personal story of power for selfish reasons

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>>53644536
>OVERMIND DINDU NUFFIN
>Zeratul TIDINGS OF DOOOOOOOM
>Muh love story despite jimmy and Kerrigan only having 5 lines of dialogue in the entire game
>Jimmy forgot he was supposed to kill Kerrigan for fenix
>Hoes b4 bros, fuck you tychus.
>muh super sayan with wings in space
METZENYES

What units in the various campaigns did you just never bother upgrading?

I never gave a shit about hellions even in their debut mission because I had siege tanks.

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>>53652880

So while you've got big damn heroes in WoL doing big damn heroic things and MASSIVE SUPER ULTRA HEROES SAVING THE FUCKING GALAXY in LotV, HotS is all about some pissed off and coded-helpless human selling her body and soul to a dark power in the pursuit of personal vengeance against someone who's wronged her. The execution and focus of her ambitions leads to her accidental self-actualization and the actualization of The Swarm. Sort of like how a homeless hobo is lost and adrift for years, then suddenly gets a job and everything seems to go right for him because a) applying his work-ethic to his life problems tends to result in solutions and b) having money fixes most of his problems anyway.

I dig that setup. Every mission and every story has one goal: To make Kerrigan more powerful. I dig that when Zeratul shows up to tell Kerrigan what to do, she only listens when he promises it will make her more powerful. I especially like that when God shows up to blow up the world, she does what Raynor couldn't and literally puts her revenge before saving the galaxy, I super dig that.

On the other hand: The Zerg are absolutely fucked in HotS. They're not infestation-based parasites anymore (why do they even have infestation powers anymore? that was dropped from their backstory). The Overmind isn't the awesome GodKiller he used to be. We replaced male-coded Overmind/Cerebrates with female-coded Kerrigan/Brood Mothers, which is fine but I wish we had a little more diversity...but I am totally okay with this because it makes my favorite character STUKOV stand out like the extra special snowflake I always knew he was.

Also James should have tried to kill Kerrigan... again. She doesn't even have to die! She's zerg now, she can survive a pistol bullet! Just have him symbolically pull the trigger to signal (again) that he's over her (again). He can still show up in the final mission/cutscene to help. Just get over that bitch already you slack cunt. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>53653452
So you've got WoL with some really interesting and dynamic human characters. You've got HotS which has a strong story but wacky execution and honestly NO dynamic side characters to speak of. And then LotV comes along and it's... epic.

I don't mean that as a strict positive. It's space-operatic, grand in scope, bombastic in stakes, and on paper the personalities we should be dealing with should be just as gigantic as the organizations they represent, right? But...all the protoss feel so cold and lifeless. Compare Phase-Smith Karax (aka: who?) to his terran equivalent Chief Engineer Rory Swann who oozes more personality in a single irreverent gesture than can be found in the entirety of the rest of the Protoss cast (with one exception). Karax's ascension to Templar should have been an emotional moment, but I care way more about Matt Horner's love life than Karax's social standing.

The story of LotV is good, great even. But it suffers from Micheal Bay syndrome in that it hits so hard and fast and often that the story alone isn't enough to hold your attention. You need interesting character dynamics and LotV just isn't delivering... UNTIL BAM! This smug asshole pops in stage left and both you and the acting cast immediately get woken up.

The arrival of John De Lancie's Alarak was a watershed moment for the campaign. Not for the story, he was just another faction to be claimed, but for the characters. Like the good actor he is, he's dripping with personality, so much in fact that he extracts emotion from the emotionally bankrupt protoss. The difference in the quality of acting before and after Alarak's appearance is staggering and baffling considering I'm pretty sure all of these voice actors are just sitting in a booth reading off little cards. Maybe it's the Kuleshov effect. If that's the case DeLancie deserves all of the credit for taking those blank stares and making them live.

I'm still salty Alarak got into Heroes of the Storm and Stukov didn't tho.

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>>53653452
I can't believe someone can take this shit so seriously so they write wall of text. Hots was cringiest shit.

"Like riding a bike"

"Forget Mengsk. Forget all of it. This is about you and me."
"Until Mengsk is dead, there can't be a 'you and me.'"


"What have you done?"
"What I had to."
"Tell that to Fenix! Tell it to the millions you butchered!"

Fuck this shit

I think I hit the plot of no return when Kerrigan breaks Raynor out of jail. She busts into the hardest prison in known space, rips the door off of Raynor's cell and the first thing he does is.... pull out a gun. It's fully loaded too! He's been in prison for weeks, maybe months and despite beings stuck in a prison cell with no toilet he looks just like he did through the entirety of WoL. They never bothered to make a prison suit model for him.

WoL was pretty fun but the story was schlock and things only got worse in the later expansions.

>>53653422
Wraiths, Hellions, Firebats, Diamondbacks, Vultures, Reapers etc. They have their uses but the "core" units are more versatile.

>>53644536
Yes, Starcraft 2 was the most I've ever anticipated a game. It still hurts.

>>53654878
Yeah that prison scene was just "what the fuck am I watching".

>>53644475
Basically their creators wanted to make a super smart race, but they did it too quick and ended up creating people who were smart but solved their problems through war.

>>53654878
>>53655074
The ONLY thing I can think of was a combination of 'I don't give a rats ass about my guards', 'he can't break out anyways', and 'it'll be funny to watch him shoot himself eventually'. But that's exceedingly dumb.

>>53646839
>Maximum cute. Supposedly later on it was said that she was the executor from SC1. Don't have a source on that, but mixed feelings.

She's the Brood War executor. The one in regular 1 was Artanis.

And the Cerebrate in 1 you play as, is killed by Zeratul in the 2nd the last Protoss mission.

>>53646881
How do they make babby?

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>>53653013

It wasn't metzen who wrote this, it was alex

the reason of why Sc1 story was great was because metzen was pissed with his divorce

also

>Chris, i know you're here watching us, so please send some help to the Armies of Azeroth guys, since warcraft 3 remastered will take a long time, and the engine runs like shit and its broken on win 7 til 10

>>53651042
>ebil white cis UED

You're forgetting that even in SC1, the UED was basically nazi germany on steroids and worldwide.

>>53655285
I thought the cerebrate you played in original zerg campaign is the same one from Brood War, i.e. it fell under the influence of Kerrigan

>>53655475
Yeah, nazies who trusted black Duran.

>>53655527
Well, they knew all the locals were made of nothing but Undesirables. One form of Undesirable is just as bad as another, and that one in particular was willing to work with them.

>>53644475
>I like the Protoss
How does it feel to be a faggot?

>>53646788
Very bad blowjobs.

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>>53653452
>>53654707

>Kerrigan has committed literal genocide on multiple races
>Heartless mass murderer
>Is forgiven and becomes hero of the universe

>>53655570
Pol was right. Around blacks never relax.

>>53655607
Imagine blowing her mind the first time you go down on her, though.

>>53655732
But what if that's what he WANTS you to think?

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>>53644475
The terran were always one of my favorite "Humans in the future" settings. That perfect blend of high tech and low tech yokels just sealed the deal, especially with all the southern drawls and settings. Having the plantation esque politicians and leaders clashing with the "good ol boys" lower ranks and civilians just never gets old to me.

I'm partially biased because I'm from the South, so it just felt really cool to see my home used as inspiration for a setting, but I still loved it. I think Starcraft II did a decent job of fleshing it out, but Starcraft I and brood war did it better. In Starcraft II it got a little too "clean" for lack of a better word, whereas in the first two games most Terran tech looks a lot more used and worn in other than the science facilities.

I remember being 7 and this being one of the first games I ever bought with the big booklet it came with full of concept art like this and thinking it was the coolest thing since sliced bread. It just had such a different look compared to other things I had seen at the time like Star Wars and Star Trek. It felt believable, like yeah, the higher ups have kick ass repulsor tech and lasers, but Billy Ray down on the corner still has a revolver and a CRT monitor.

>>53655527
While not a religious organization, the UPL (earlier UED) embraced the philosophy of "the divinity of mankind", scholars arguing that genetic alteration, cyber technology and the use of psychoactive drugs led to the degeneration of the human species.

Basically actual fascists without the race element I guess.

>>53646537
>SCV has functional legs

WHAT

>>53653013
>OVERMIND DINDU NUFFIN
Did you even pay attention to the story?

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I miss the Overmind.

>>53655627
>we should've got revenge for Fenix even if it means the extinction of life in the whole universe

>>53655522
Nah, the BW cerebrate is just a random one that she press-ganged into serving.

Original cerebrate was a total bro.

>>53656458
She shouldn't have been forgiven.

She shouldn't have been killed for the greater good sake, but she shouldn't have been forgiven.

>>53657028
I don't think anyone ever directly forgives her. At best, Raynor admits he can't bear killing her, but he never says she's forgiven.

>>53655285
>And the Cerebrate in 1 you play as, is killed by Zeratul in the 2nd the last Protoss mission.
I'm just playing Starcraft 1 for first time and I'm on that mission. This sound to painful.

>tfw remastered coming out soon
Feels fucking good guys, I wonder if they will add in the Nintendo missions.

>>53657837

they will, and they will add the voices 4 it

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>>53646537

Forgot I, Mengsk

>>53655888
Blowing her non-existent vag you mean?

>>53655963

The terrace being southerners in space made it really enjoyable for me to murder the shit out of them en mass with the protons and zerg.

>>53646852
Babylon 5 was better than any of these shows.

>>53660572
Shoo shoo, phoneposter.

>>53657751
He rides off into the sunset with her.

>>53660110
Don't ruin this for me.

>>53661506
Because at that point he literally has nothing else to live for. Raynor's life is over. Matt Horner is his only associate, he's got a busy life managing the new Dominion, and they're not even really that close of friends to begin with. The Raiders are disbanded. He never really knew Artanis. Mengsk is dead, Tychus is dead, Zeratul is dead, and Kerrigan is bodiless and in the void. In the first place he was just some podunk backwater marshal who just happened to lead a minor rebel cell.
There's no need for revenge and nothing to do, so of course he ditches reality to bang a goddess for eternity.

>>53660761
But, Babylon 5 is on the list.

>>53661639

>and after that, the life on the entire sector starts to rise up

the sex between those two would make slaanesh and fulgrim fucking bawl for a few seconds or more

>>53661643
Babylon 5 was better than Babylon 5.

>>53662020
This is a facial accurate statement.

>>53655627
Maybe she can like, reach into the fabrics of time and space and revive them and shit. "Sorry I killed you guys, I didn't know any better." "It's ok Kerrigan, we've been immortal ghosts which came to terms with the transient nature of mortal life."

>>53662282
And then in the next game, they all go on a magical quest to become dead again. Except this time, on their own terms!

>>53660572
>The terrace being southerners in space made it really enjoyable for me to murder the shit out of them en mass

t. Coastal "compassionate" Liberal

>>53663844
conservatives dont deserve compassion

>>53663872
t. Coastal "I don't understand how Hillary lost!" Liberal

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>>53660572
where did the terrace touch you anon?

>>53663891
MAH RUSSIA.
ftfy

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>>53663872
You sound like a Nazi

>>53649423
Yeah and the Thor should be about double the size shown

>>53663891
>I don't understand how Hillary lost!
Wait, everyone decided to vote Trump because idiot teenagers like to make sweeping, combative declarations, and many of them are liberal?

It all makes sense now!

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>>53650300
>Tychus
He didn't deserve it.
At least he lives on in Heroes of the Storm.

>>53664329
What the hell is that gif?

>>53664346
His summer fun skin.

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>>53664346
Tychus normally looks like how he did in SC2, but Blizzard being Blizzard has to cash in on the summer and made a swimwear skins for a couple characters and Tychus' main summer skin has trunks, but one has him in the speedo which has become a meme, partly due to him having a line that says "Ya like what ya see?" since the game was released.

He also has an infested skin(webm related) where he has a line that says, "I hope she was worth it, Jimmy."

>>53663872
Liberals deserve a bullet in the back of their head or a free helicopter ride. Don't worry...It will soon happen.

>>53664346
Son I'm guessing you never heard the infamous bar dance incident. Let me tell ya i would rather face the zerg all over again than relive that soul rending night.

Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEUQ7Xkdz9g

>>53664801
>not posting best theme

disgusting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlSbPlKQ_dc

Nostalgia inbound.

http://theboojum.com/Tales/Dumptruk/HellCraft/00hellcraft.htm

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>>53664855
This right here is the greatest music in starcraft

>>53661639
When you word it like this, it makes me think of Conker's Bad Fury Day, and especially the intro scene. Rayner sitting on a throne, wearing Mengsk's coat, scowling while he rests his chin on his hand.

>>53664801
>>53664855
Anon please, this is clearly the superior song!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7XV9fRAhu0

>>53665226
You're damn right.

>>53664855
>Skip to the awesome part
This motherfucker knows what's what.

>>53653013
I swear I beat all of them but I don't remember that part with Kerrigan..

>>53664855
also while I'm at it, I gotta say starcraft did an amazing job of picking music that fit the theme of the armies it represented.

Take Terran for example, each song has this perfect blend of acoustic guitar, industrial sounding techno, and swells of classical orchestra. When you were playing the game as SCV's mined away at minerals, Marines were calling out incoming fire and the classic THOOM of siege tanks roared across the map, you couldn't help but feel like you were part of mankind's manifest destiny and by god you were gonna kick every Xenos and Confederate ass that got in your way.

I recently picked up Starcraft II and was immediately let down by the music in the game, at least for the Terrans. It's just so forgettable compared to the Starcraft I and Brood War stuff. Maybe I'm just biased because the original game's soundtrack is burned into my brain after decades of playing it, but I think it's part of the reason I felt a bit let down after finishing the Terran campaign in the new game. Hopefully the Zerg and protoss expansions fix it but I'm not holding my breath.

>>53646839
Protoss do not have mouths. Why would they have breasts or nipples?

>>53666251
because shut up

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>literally rednecks in space vs aliums
This is one of the worst settings out there. If it wasn't for the video games and good-looking cinematics nobody would care.

>>53665780
I prefer Terran 2

>>53666484
>literally worst taste

I weep for you anon

>>53666565
>implying it is wrong
Rethink your life.

>>53666247
Video game music in general has sucked for the last 10 years, games have grown so big that they all hire orchestras and strive for that generic feel so it doesnt interrupt gaming.

Doom is the one game that remembered how to memorable game music like in the 90s.

>>53666811
>>53666247
I can attest the music does get better as the SC2 trilogy goes on, but that's in part by reviving songs from the original, and it never quite gets as good as the old music either, so while it does get better you have a very real point

>>53654173
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>>53666811
The bigger and more monetized games get, the farther they drift from art. The BROWN AND BLOOM era was a herald of the end times.

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>>53650642
>my knife in your tire

>>53664855

Fuck, as much as I hate Blizzard now they really made some kickass music back then.

>>53666513
my nigga

that beat

>>53666484
How does it feel to have no joy in your life?

>>53666997
Colored surfaces leak their color to nearby objects (a bright red wall reflects red light). In the 2000s games got realistic looking enough that failing to simulate this effect looked uncanny, but the effect took like an hour per frame to compute so they avoided the problem by making everything one color. In around 2010 games started being able to do that effect in real time, and the brownandgrey stopped being as common.

Human skin (and marble, and milk) have a property where light goes in, randomly zig-zags around a little, then exits somewhere not quite where it started. Failing to take this into account makes people look like robot zombies, and it's even harder to simulate correctly. But it's fairly subtle, and basically disappears under any other reflection. That's why we had several years recently where everyone in AAA games looked like they had wet skin.

>>53646384
Underrated post

>>53666811
>Video game music in general has sucked for the last 10 years

This is immediately disproven by Mick Gordon being back in business.

>>53666247
Command and Conquer games still take the crown of absolutely greatest RTS soundtracks ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4AUY-v1nsE

>>53668462
of all the songs, you pick that one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUWUtTZvK4

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>>53654707
Disagree, but you can have your opinion. I like my sci-fi with some classic cheesy pulp.

Like literally all of those lines you hate so much are the things that make me like HotS more than the other two.

>>53655627
Forgiven? No. At no point does anyone but Raynor forgive her, and that's dubious.

>>53660572
You did what with protons?

>>53664324
Think about it for a second. It certainly didn't help the general discussion among americans.
Let's get back on topic, there are other boards for this discussion.

>>53666598
There was no implication there, anon.

You were straight up told your tastes are shit. Just because the text is green doesn't automatically invoke the definition of implication.

What are you, 12? That would explain your shit tastes. Your absolutely shitty shit tastes which I would imagine, were they to possess a taste of their own, that taste would also be of a fecal variety, specifically -your- fecal variety as autocoprophagy is the only rational explanation for the mental damage necessary to have tastes as shit as you. Considering your age and likely background it would likely be fecal matter tinged with a hint of CapriSun, Avacado and lintel smoothies, tofu, and of course your uncle's semen.

My point is your tastes are shit. I'm not sure if that point is getting across. It's just vitally imperative you know this. Perhaps something could be done? Maybe you could read a book? Like any book. Literally any book. I'm sure the literary enlightenment provided by any book would suffice to infuse a sufficient amount of character to become aware of the error of your ways. Like, fucking Dan Brown would do it. You could read six random sentences from six random pages of the fucking Da Vinci code and acquire the refinement necessary to comprehend how utterly and completely shit your tastes are. It's impressive, in it's own way.

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>>53652144
This.

>>53654929
I dreaded the day when SC2 was to be released and it was worse than I expected, because Activision went out of its way to kill the Korean professional Broodwar leagues extra dead.

>>53655475
They seemed more Soviet than Nazi to me, not that I consider that a significant improvement.

>>53664855
Having listened to the WCII soundtrack recently I find it interesting how much overlap there is and how well the reused bits work in both contexts. I noticed it originally to some degree, but I never listened to both in such a short time before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGl4slGxY8U


>>53668697
>Let's get back on topic
The thread had already gotten back on topic.

>>53666247
>industrial sounding techno
One of us doesn't know what that means, but I'm not sure which one. At any rate, I don't hear anything I'd call techno in StarCraft music. Huh, autocorrect put that into CamelCase. I agree that the terran music really did fit though.
>the classic THOOM of siege tanks
I always thought of it as a SHOCK-DOOM, hopefully immediately followed by a dragoon or three saying "Oh shoot!"

This whole thread is really making me want to go dig out my old laptop and mouse and see if I can get on battle.net and see if we can get some games going. However, it would probably take several hours to get it out and set up in a useable place, assuming it even still works, and I need to be in bed soon. Maybe some other time (or so I've been telling myself for years).

>>53646284
>he never owned the manual

>>53668842
So much lore in that manual.

>>53646852

LEXX in the garbage tier? Careful where you wave your shitty opinion anon you just embarrass youself. The more I look at it the more wrong it becomes.

>>53646852
>caprica very low tier
you fucing wut m8

>>53650479

Yeah I don't remember him being a total "OC do not steal" character like that. The book his from his perspective, so he's literally just around when important stuff happens, it's not like he's going around doing everything and overshadowing the main characters. In fact I think the only thing he is good at is chronicling the events going on around him. I could be wrong but a lot of the book is him writing how he's in over his head.

>>53669662
At best it's low-mid tier.

>>53669687
- he plays chess with Mengsk
- he is the romantic interest of Kerrigan
- he becomes good friends with Jim
- he learns how to be a marine 5 minutes after putting on the armor

I didn't notice either when I was reading but he's basically the archetypical "is in the center of everything" type of Sue.

But I guess that's also quite hard to not do that when putting your OC in an established universe.

>>53669755
This. I read Liberty's Crusade when I was fourteen and I recognized it as fanfiction.net-tier wankery at the time.

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Kerrigan was the greater monster and should have died with Mengsk, bullshit xel'nage prophecy or not.

>>53648547
HotS wasn't his idea.
It was just Blizzard saying "we fucked up with DOTA".

>>53671924
Kerrigan literally never had choices, she was under multiple kinds of brainwashing for most of her life

>>53672440
Not Heroes of the Storm, idiot.

For a Starcraft RPG, would you prefer theater of the mind or grid tactical game?
Improve over the Alternity system? Go with a brand new system? Adapt it to D&D 4e?

AoE is one mechanic of the RTS, but I don't see a full on 4e tactical mission where every square/hex counts because of cover or not.

>>53672487
Uhhgg, people who want to redeem Kerrigan or sylvanus ignore that Arthas was more sympathetic and he outright has "nothing left to redeem" it's all a fucking double standard.

>>53672521
I prefer grid myself with printable flats, rpg or not there should be a tactical element

>>53672525
This, sometimes good people turn bad and don't deserve sympathy

>>53657837
New Hydralisks look like shit. The rest is great.

>>53661506
He did break her swarm. That's a good revenge.

>>53646839
uncensored pic?

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>>53672802
It's on my computer at home, keep this thread going for a few more hours and I'll post it tonight.

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>>53672571
Never. Everyone ought to have a path to redemption, Arthas, Sylvanas, Garrosh or what'shisface blight apothecary included.
No darkness is so deep Light could not pierce it.

>>53672487
What choice did Arcturus have? The Confederacy killed his family and would have killed him as well. All he wanted was being a prospector and raise his son in peace. He was more or less forced to chose revenge, while did Kerrigan did so once she was free of the Overmind.

>>53673098
>he was more or less forced to become a terrorist and bring zerg hordes onto planets' worth of unsuspecting innocent civilians

>>53673303
This is what socialists actually believe, yes.

>>53673303
The Confederacy nuked Korhal so much it became a wasteland, and unleashed the Zerg on three different worlds. It doesn't justify Tarsonis, but the Confederates were worse than he was.

>>53673359
I'm a socialist and I don't believe that.
Furthermore there's a difference between "becomes genocidal maniac because he's sad" and "becomes genocidal maniac because she's remodeled on cellular level and turned into a monster"

>>53673402
Kerrigan was free of the Overmind's influence in Brood War, and probably was free from the spooky xel'naga in Wing of Liberty and completely free of it during Heart of the Swarm, where she kept committing atrocities. Arcturus destroyed Tarsonis for revenge, Sarah destroyed countless worlds for the same reason. I think I know who has the "higher ground".

>>53673029
The problem is Blizzard writes good villains but shit redemption arcs.

>>53673514
Counterpoint; Mengsk enslaved the entire human race in his zone of control while Kerrigan destroyed everyone else's armies then sat back and masturbated for ten years until psychic alien gods started making her crazier.

Mengsk was a worse problem to the human race.

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>>53673523
Not all villains need to be redeemed. The best villains are irredeemable. That's one of the reasons Alarak works so well; he's so ridiculously evil and not ashamed of it in the least.

Well, that and he's John de Lancie.

>>53673571
>enslaved the human race
>While the state media routinely humiliates him with no consequences, and even promotes his harshest critics
>Doesn't know where half his fleet, his top general and his son are
>The whole Odin affair
Yeah, no. Blizzard failed to make their cartoon version of a totalitarian regime believable.
> psychic alien gods started making her crazier
No. All Kerrigan did in HotS is entirely on her.

>>53673655
In HotS she only wiped out Korhal's military, Amon's mindcontrolled forces, most proto-Zerg, and a single Protoss colony.

Not exactly worse than Mengsk.

Shit writing aside, he was still the worst villain from the human side. Only if you want justice for Protoss does Kerrigan get worse. But since /tg/ leans either Imperium or Captain Kirk that doesn't matter.

>>53673514
>Kerrigan was free of the Overmind's influence in Brood War, and probably was free from the spooky xel'naga in Wing of Liberty
She was literally turned into a zerg. You can argue that she had some degree of agency after overmind was gone (or even before that) but she was still fundamentally a zerg drone, if an advanced one.
If you want to hold her responsible for atrocities, it would be atrocities against protoss she committed in zerg part of SC2. Not sure if attack on dominion military compounds can be considered an atrocity but you can hold that against her too.

Kerrigan has definitely moral superiority over Mengsk.

>>53673697
She pretty explicitly ordered the invasion of numerous Dominion worlds in cutscenes and you can see heavy urban fighting in some evolution missions. While they built some of its materiel, it's still unleashing the Zerg on civilians. Starcraft 2 was pretty bad anyway.

>>53673752
Yeah, I was mostly focusing on SC1 canon.

Kerrigan was a threat to everyone, but chose to do nothing. Mengsk was actively fucking humanity.

>>53646867
But there IS a SC board game...

>>53674316
Have anyone made anything similar to it? I remember the game being actually highly praised.

I just never got it because I thought it was a shameless cashgrab at the time.

>>53674423
Dunno, it is still played. It ranks next to TI3, or so I heard. I would like to try it some time

>>53674607
yeah, I would like a reprint, or at least !not version of it if the trouble is legal.

>>53666811

You're just not looking in the right places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48S8ePHndYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXLUB0yneYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtS3BRC9MDM

>>53673029

Actually the Light doesn't reach orcs as they're aliens that never communed with the Naaru. It's why Turalyon was able to solve his inner dilemma of the light being all-encompassing while the evil of orcs existed.

>>53667435
Just today I saw the first effect. My neighbour has a red brick patio and white siding and his whole house had this red glow. I remember reading about the lighting in battlefield 3 being able to render that shit and at the time I genuinely had no idea what the fuck they were even talking about.

>>53673573

Is he EVIL though, or just a dick?

>>53666997

And yet people constantly shit on Blizzard for keeping a "cartoony" art style, saying "it's like a mobile game".

>>53675002
whynotboth.png

>>53675044
yes, because once they realized they could get away with that in WOW, Samwise applied it to everywhere.

Diablo looks cartoony, overwatch is cartoony, hots is cartoony.

Everything as the same mid level saturation, barring their blues. They use really saturated blues a lot now.

>>53675265
>yes, because once they realized they could get away with that in WOW
WC3 did it first, and quite frankly I greatly approve of a cartoony look over hyper-realism (with the exception of Diablo since D2 made it clear it was going for more of a LotR look)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdBkiaTYWvY

Cartoony may not be for everyone, but it's a defined style, and I like that they stick to that instead of doing what everyone else is doing.

What would be a good system to use if I wanted to run some players through something like Battle of Backwater Station? Like they're just Terran soldiers fighting wave after wave of Zerg.

>>53675370
I prefer that they do something that's best, not what's easiest for them.

>>53675495
This, before warcraft they used many differant styles. Now its just the one, its lazy

>>53652144
>without heavy gear and 1 (one) battleship
Check the number of hips in this, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MiUPORv-U

>>53652144
UED was a pretty decent sized fleet, especially given how much wrecking they did at demolishing Korhal.

I think the future expeditions probably got canned because the fleet got completely annihilated.

>>53652192
The whip was meant to represent what they were rebelling against.

>>53675410
40k IG vs Nids

>>53676242
Yep. Beyond normal exploitation, the Confederacy also had "indentured workers".

>>53656447
I AM ALWAYS WITH YOU, MY CHILD.

>>53668831
>This whole thread is really making me want to go dig out my old laptop and mouse and see if I can get on battle.net and see if we can get some games going. However, it would probably take several hours to get it out and set up in a useable place, assuming it even still works, and I need to be in bed soon. Maybe some other time (or so I've been telling myself for years).
No need to do that: Blizzard recently made SC1 free and optimized for modern internet, as a prep for releasing the remastered version.

You can download it from them right now.

>>53673732
In the first Zerg campaign the Overmind flat-out says that Kerrigan has 99% free will. The only exception is that if He gives her a direct order, she can't disobey it.

When Tassadar kills Him, Kerrigan has 100% free will. Everything in Brood War is on her.

That's why Blizzard did the whole Overmind/Amon retcon thing in 2, so they could say that she wasn't responsible for her actions until after the Artifact zapped her.

>>53676729
That doesn't explain her 180 in personality once she became zerg, there was no implication of her having sociopathic tendancies before the swarm remade her

>>53677830
Before she was infested, she was buried under layers of Confederate brainwashing and brain implants.

It's possible that Infested Kerrigan was who she was all along.

I know if you fucked my life over as hard as hers was and then gave me the swarms, I'd commit some war crimes.

>>53672802
I posted the source farther up.

Also that is somehow still up.

>>53677830
>there was no implication of her having sociopathic tendancies
Well, I mean, she was a ghost.

>>53677830
>her having sociopathic tendancies
She wasn't a sociopath, even in BW. By the campaign's end she says she's grown weary of the slaughter, and her vengeance is slaked. Every kill from Kerrigan was purposed. A sociopath would've just kept killing forever, with no purpose other than to kill.

>>53677830
Shes a slave acting her revenge after she's been freed from everything and gained absolute power, its a perfectly acceptable development of her character.

>>53675044
>cartoony
Metal slug war cartoony, what -craft is nowadays is a jumble of stylized pots grafted katamari style onto a beefcake.
It's ironically less restrained then GW (.... until recently)
>>53675370
>WC3 did it first, and quite frankly I greatly approve of a cartoony look over hyper-realism
I don't disagree with that, i liked WC3 for itself style more than gameplay but there is a point where it looks like blizzard has gone overboard. I'd blame wow for pushing it into the jumblefuck level of stupid.
WC3 was very restrained in comparison though.

>>53650462
>I actually think that multiple Kerrigans could've worked in the long run, especially if you treated the Queen of Blades as some kind of schizophrenic psychic construct independent from the Sarah Kerrigan persona.
Would also have given a nicer motive for rezergification, is hinted earlier, even without changing almost anything else.
"This infested slut Narud stole from Mengsk is gonna present the Swarm to Amon on a plate. So i need to travel to the source to find a more zerusian form to wrestle control of it from her"

>>53679107
Also, as feminine as they made the new Queens, it would have made for a cool reveal if the Queen of Blades, free from the Kerrigan persona's humanity, was just a giant monster zerg-making machine. You could even work in some angle how one isn't complete without the other; the horrors that she inflicted as the Queen of Blades makes Kerrigan a complete PTSD basket case, whereas her zerg persona is just straight up consume-reproduce-repeat without her.

>>53644475
Does anyone else think they should have just let Matt Horner be "the magistrate" from SC1? That guy you were supposed to be playing as was a complete non-entity, they could have easily merged the two characters like they sort-of did with Artanis and SC1 Protoss PC dude.

>>53679925
I agree. Matt would've been just fine. Or fuck: make it his brother, who the poker deck reveals is dead anyway. Just connect it to the plot somehow.

>>53679925
In my head canon, he is.

>>53679925
Also, Selendis is the executor from Brood War.

>>53679925
Isn't he?

>>53681041
Explicitly no. The Magistrate and the UED Captain aren't "real" characters like Artanis and Selendis.

>>53672521
Think about the promise of the premise. People going into a Starcraft RPG are looking for infiltration missions and heroic last stands against piles of zerglings. Those are things that benefit from a tactical grid.

I wouldn't use 4E though. You want something designed around cover mechanics, not forced movement.

>>53664415
The infested Thor is fucking baller though

>>53677830
She's a crazy psychic assassin on a power trip. Of COURSE she kills everyone she sees in her way, right after using them as best you can to further your reach.

>>53682586
>You want something designed around cover mechanics, not forced movement.
Dark Heresy, maybe?

>>53682905
Yes, yes it is.

>>53683154
Only War or Dark Heresy I'd think, depending on what you're doing specifically
You can even hijack Tyranid rules here and there to base things off of.

>>53683154
>>53684178
Well shit yeah, this is perfect.

>>53655451
You also have Afrasiabi to thank for the sharp down turn in WoW plot quality.

>>53679925
Wait... he's not? The way he acted I just assumed he was.

>>53682180
Wow ok then what was the point of Matt? He seemed like he was there to just explicitly be "Hi, I'm the magistrate you played in the first game, aren't I cool?"

>>53685368
Sadly he was just made to be Jimmy's shoulder angel while Tychus was the devil.

>>53644475
I liked Starcraft because it was rednecks in space complete with the confederacy and southern gentlemen Arcturus Mengsk. They screwed it over time.

>>53676654
oh shit really?
Time for a nostalgia trip.

I played through SC2 a few months ago, so It's still fresh enough in my mind to invite some comparison with the original.

>>53644475
/v/ get out

>>53685998
People were asking for systems in which to play it on the tabletop in this thread, you knee-jerking skidmark of a retard.

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>accidentally search for a starcraft thread instead of warcraft
>there's a starcraft thread
wtf

I loved the parts of WoL that were just terrans doing terran things. Loved the option to do missions in the order you preferred, loved the trch tree customization, loved the different options of how to complete missions and who to side with.

Loved initial the invasion of Char being a chaotic clusterfuck looking like total defeat. I really felt it was important to rescue those pockets of terrans stuck all over the place.

Sided with Tosh and the doctor. Fun fact though, if you side with Nova though, she actually appears sitting on the boxes of ghost sniper rifles, unstealthing and restealthing of you look long enough.

>>53686982
Oh, absolutely. The game part of WoL was fantastic. It's only the lore and characters that suffered.

>>53679525
This is a much nicer idea than what they went with.

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>>53685913
"Looks like you mashed some poor feller's dog, sarge."

I forgot this fucking part. I forgot how much I liked this game.

>>53687217
The voice acting was hilariously spot on throughout the game.

I love the part where the team gets dispatched to nuke the science station and they're using the cold fushion bomb as a beer cooler.

>>53683154
>>53684178
I'm not so savvy of DH/OW. Can you guys pitch it for me? I only know it is WH40K oh, the irony. Skimmed through the DH book few years back, remember almost nothing.

All those background ayys, and not a single one mentioned in 2, or appearing as zergified things.

>>53686250
>Marine.jpg
>clearly a Firebat
Okay.

>>53687037
Thanks.

>>53686982
>Sided with Tosh
As one does

>and the doctor
Incorrect.

I actually really dislike how they did the "branching" missions in WoL. There's no real sense of continuity and they don't affect the wider narrative, and the heel turn they give Tosh is just so incredibly ridiculous that it defies credulity. Same with Doctor Hansen, but I at least feel like, "she was infested all along," justifies the mission arc where zerg are hellbent on chasing down these colonists across half the sector. Also, Selendis totally craves Jimmy's D.

Are we on bump limit? New thread when?

>>53689072
Why not start one, then?