/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Modern Spearhead

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June 5th in military history:

AD 70 – Titus and his Roman legions breach the middle wall of Jerusalem in the Siege of Jerusalem.
1283 – Battle of the Gulf of Naples: Roger of Lauria, admiral to King Peter III of Aragon, captures Charles of Salerno.
1625 – The city of Breda surrenders to the Spanish tercios under general Ambrosio Spinola.
1798 – The Battle of New Ross: The attempt to spread the United Irish Rebellion into Munster is defeated.
1829 – HMS Pickle captures the armed slave ship Voladora off the coast of Cuba.
1832 – The June Rebellion breaks out in Paris in an attempt to overthrow the monarchy of Louis Philippe.
1862 – As the Treaty of Saigon is signed, ceding parts of southern Vietnam to France, the guerrilla leader Trương Định decides to defy Emperor Tự Đức of Vietnam and fight on against the Europeans.
1864 – American Civil War: Battle of Piedmont: Union forces defeat a Confederate army at Piedmont, Virginia, taking nearly 1,000 prisoners.
1900 – Second Boer War: British soldiers take Pretoria.
1916 – The Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire breaks out.
1917 – World War I: Conscription begins in the United States as "Army registration day".
1940 – World War II: The Germans renew the offensive against the remaining French divisions south of the River Somme in Operation Fall Rot.
1941 – World War II: Four thousand Chongqing residents are asphyxiated in a bomb shelter during the Bombing of Chongqing.
1942 – World War II: The United States declares war on Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania.
1944 – World War II: More than 1000 British bombers attack German gun batteries on the Normandy coast in preparation for D-Day.
1967 – The Six-Day War begins: Israel launches surprise strikes against Egyptian air-fields in response to the mobilisation of Egyptian forces on the Israeli border.
1989 – The Tank Man halts the progress of a column of advancing tanks for over half an hour after the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.

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Today marks the 50th anniversary of the start of the Six-Day War, also known as the June War, 1967 Arab–Israeli War, or Third Arab–Israeli War. It was fought between June 5 and 10, 1967 by Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt (known at the time as the United Arab Republic), Jordan, and Syria.

Relations between Israel and its neighbours had never fully normalised following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. In the period leading up to June 1967, tensions became dangerously heightened. Israel reiterated its 1950s statement that the closure of the straits of Tiran to its shipping would be a casus belli and in late May Nasser announced the straits would be closed to Israeli vessels. Egypt then mobilised its forces along its border with Israel, and on 5 June Israel launched what it claimed were a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields. Claims and counterclaims relating to this series of events are one of a number of controversies relating to the conflict.

The Egyptians were caught by surprise, and nearly the entire Egyptian air force was destroyed with few Israeli losses, giving the Israelis air superiority. Simultaneously, the Israelis launched a ground offensive into the Gaza Strip and the Sinai, which again caught the Egyptians by surprise. After some initial resistance, Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser ordered the evacuation of the Sinai. Israeli forces rushed westward in pursuit of the Egyptians, inflicted heavy losses, and conquered the Sinai.

Nasser induced Syria and Jordan to begin attacks on Israel by using the initially confused situation to claim that Egypt had defeated the Israeli air strike. Israeli counterattacks resulted in the seizure of East Jerusalem as well as the West Bank from the Jordanians, while Israel's retaliation against Syria resulted in its occupation of the Golan Heights.

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>>53630617
On June 11, a ceasefire was signed. Arab casualties were far heavier than those of Israel: fewer than a thousand Israelis had been killed compared to over 20,000 from the Arab forces. Israel's military success was attributed to the element of surprise, an innovative and well-executed battle plan, and the poor quality and leadership of the Arab forces. Israel seized control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. Israeli morale and international prestige was greatly increased by the outcome of the war and the area under Israeli control tripled. However, the speed and ease of Israel's victory would lead to a dangerous overconfidence within the ranks of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), contributing to initial Arab successes in the subsequent 1973 Yom Kippur War. The displacement of civilian populations resulting from the war would have long-term consequences, as 300,000 Palestinians fled the West Bank and about 100,000 Syrians left the Golan to become refugees. Across the Arab world, Jewish minority communities were expelled, with refugees going to Israel or Europe.

The Six-Day War is a popular subject with modern wargamers. Given the relative brevity of the fighting it is perfect for campaign play, with a range of possibilities from skirmish games set at the front line, right up to strategic-level simulation as players rewrite history. Tank buffs are spoiled with the number and variety of AFVs available. .

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/czvubw9d9v8v9/Arab-Israeli_Wars
http://www.mediafire.com/file/5z74oyp62ox0b9k/The+Arab-Israeli+Wars.pdf (Avalon Hill)

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>>53630543
Nice start with IABSM anon, maybe you could try Chain of Command next? It's the other Lardies WW2 game.

>>53630669
Are those Zvezda miniatures? I got that box recently as my first foray into historical wargames!

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Finished some more dark age warriors

red this time

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>>53631019
Correct! Check out the latest post at the Wargaming With Silver Whistle blog

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>>53631085
and from behind


my first time trying to do red, I think it looks alright

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>>53631085
>>53631100
Who's the chap with the Gouda on his head anon?
I'm guessing it's some kind of Capitanesca hat
Looking good btw

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>>53630669
I've done one game of Chain of Command... but what can I say I prefer company scale and 15mm. Hell the tables just look better with even cheap components. Pic related

Interestingly we did a game of Bolt Action in 15mm, that worked quite well with a few tweaks, however now V2 has come out and templates are back I presume there would be issues doing that.

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>>53631310
Its a late Roman military cap. Its actually from a late roman box, I swapped a couple heads to add variety.

Kriegspielanon here, I reckon that if I want to get audience for that future e-mail Kriegspiel game, I should go with the 4chan method: Dubs decide the scale, digits decide the era.

Digits:
>0 - Ancient (10000 BC to 900 BC
>1 - Classical (9000 BC to 476 AD)
>2 - Early Medieval (476 AD to 1066 AD)
>3 - Late Medieval (1066 AD to 1494 AD)
>4 - Pike and Shot (1494 AD to 1714 AD)
>5 - Horse and Musket (1714 AD to 1821 AD)
>6 - Rifle and Sabre (1821 AD to 1914 AD)
>7 - World War 1/Machine Age (1914 to 1936)
>8 - World War 2 (1936 to 1945)
>9 - Modern (1945 to present day)

Naturally, I'm going to be far far more indepth when actually deciding, but for now I got some general guidelines.

>>53631460
Sounds cool, are you going to post an AAR as well when it's done?

Anyway, the republicans shitpost in the previous thread was just shitwehraboossay memeing because BOMBER HARRIS DO IT AGAIN

>>53631759
Yeah, actually gonna represent the battles, but I'll need at least two players for it.

>>53631980
>40ish pages of rules
>manages to be as confusing as ASL
>requires house rules to not be shit anyway
Don't you have a lindybeige comments section you could be shitposting in?

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>>53631341
The other classic 15mm WW2 game you could look at, is Crossfire

>>53632009
Not everyone's a fan though, as noted here

>>53632009
What was this a reply to?

>>53631341
FFT3 defaults to a bn-scale game in about 1:3 at 6mm, but has rules for a) 1:1 b) 15mm. Combining the two would give you a reinforced company or so on the table.

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>>53632314
To this >>53632019
I just deleted it to correct a typo, wrote "only" instead of "other" and realized not only was it obviously wrong but it would cause some grief among other 15mm WW2 players
Unfortunately still managed to upset one anon

>>53632376
Shame. Crossfire's a good game.

>>53632423
I haven't played it since it came out and that was over 15 years ago so I'm not in a position to really comment.
I just remembered GDW's Command Decision was also designed originally for 15mm (with a 6mm option).

>>53631460
>that bizarre Ancient/Classical split
ditch pre900bc and have more granularity in one of the middle periods imo

>>53632971
But ALL THE CHARIOTS is a totally valid and cool historical period that's distinctly different from most later play! usually called biblical mind you.

and idk about the 900BC split

>>53633079
900 BC is generally seem as the end of the Bronze Age, really (and thus the end of ALL THE CHARIOTS), which is what splits Ancient/Biblical and Classical.

Basically, one is Ozymandias and Hammurabi, the other is Alexander and Julius Caesar.

Does a scan of the the SAGA expansion Aetius and Arthur exist? I'd like to have a gander before I purchase.

Here is a list of registered players for an upcoming Bolt Action Tournament in Germany.

https://www.tabletopturniere.de/t3_tournament_list.php?tid=19210

For all who wonder why Warlord is releasing so many German minis, this might answer it.

I'm actually surprised that only 13 out of 52 play germans, but since that part of german history is not overly popular here it might be logical. still alot.

2x Finnish
1x French
1x Hungarian
1x Partisans

That makes me sad somehow.. interesting factions get little attention due to not much minis available. No new releases leads to no newly attracted players.

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Thinking of picking up Bolt Action for my first tabletop game. Is this a good decision? Also could it work in a post apocalyptic setting, STALKER-esque with no scifi stuff like ray guns? I'll probably be playing historical too, but I'd like to play a system that can span over more than one setting, if that makes sense

>>53631837
I'm interested but fairly busy. What sort of time restraints are you thinking of? If email a move a day? a week? every few hours?

>>53636498

Yes to both.

Bolt Action is a good skirmish game and it should work fine for low sci-fi settings.

>>53636792
Perfect thanks man! Really excited to get into this game, I've heard great things about the rules

>>53636682
Well, it ought to be more of a real time thing and variable based on your decisions - if we're talking a WW1 offensive on army level you might hear that the 1st Army Corps has made progress capturing a village but needs reinforcements while the 2nd and 3rd have led to nothing after the bombardment within the day, while in a more Napoleonic level of battle you may recieve information on the result of your orders within the hour.

It's honestly down to the players, really.

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Painted my last spaniards for Blood & Plunder. 200 points (the supposed points limit for a standard sized game) of Guarda Costa, before I try to add any kind of upgrades. (The image also contains two extra commanders, including Manuel Rivero de Pardal as a legendary character, you can only ever have one)

Next stop, a Sloop. Then it's time to paint some english (sea) dogs.

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>>53636852
not him, but I love me some Stalker: how are you planning on bringing elements of Stalker into the wargame?

>>53637271
I'm not sure, I've never played a wargame before so I'll figure it out as I go along, I suppose

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>>53636498
Good for a first game. STALKER... eh not so much, really lacks the detail and grit that's required of small scale skirmishes, it's very much a game about squads of troops and supporting vehicles rather than individuals. And STALKER works on a scale that's very much about individuals.

>>53637471
Yeah I know I won't be able to capture the STALKER feel 100%, I'm more concerned with whether or not the Bolt Action rules can work in the setting at all. I might even just make a generic postapoc setting that fits the game more

>>53636498
Look at the K47 book too, its almost identical to Bolt Action but has expanded melee rules and stats for some monsters and primitive power armour.

>>53637566
Thanks I'll look into that

>>53637021
neat!

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>>53637593
Indeed. 53 Spaniards fieldable. For comparison, the french can, with a bit of fiddling, field an equal points force of 25 models.

How many points would an infantry box be worth in Bolt Action? I know it probably differs per army but if I get an infantry box of Germany and one of say UK, would that be playable as a skirmish level game?

>>53638019
definitely

>>53638019
10 early war British conscripts with no extra gear is 70 points, 10 late war British veterans with max SMG's/LMG's and anti tank grenades is 199 points. Regular infantry with one LMG and an NCO SMG is 123 points.

The boxes allow you to make the minimum legal force for each faction so you can easily do a skirmish with a box of each. But a few light vehicles/heavy weapon teams is a worthwhile followup purchase if you enjoy that.

>>53638151
Thanks senpai
>>53638254
So does it matter which boxes I get or will they generally be balanced? Do you have any boxes you recommend? I want a German box for sure and the other one to be either UK or US

>>53638290
Oh and just to clarify I want them to be fairly cheap boxes like infantry boxes

>>53638290
You want early war, mid or late?

>>53638345
Mid-late

>>53638369
Then for the axis I'd suggest a box of german greandiers. They're fun to paint and model as well as having loads of different options.
I'm not as experienced on the allies side but the soviets box(either one) is jammed packed full of goodness if you want that.

>>53638405
Thanks man much appreciated

>>53638290
The late war infantry boxes for all three are fine. I have heard good things about the new US Airborne box as well. Just avoid the 'German infantry' box, its older and not as good. You want the German Grenadiers.

They should all be pretty balanced since inexperienced, regular and veteran infantry have the same stats/point costs across armies. The British box lets you make a light mortar and a sniper team, you can get away with making a medium machine gun team from the German box since they used the MG42 as both light and medium. And all the sets include parts to make a platoon commander.

>>53638442
Much appreciated

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>>53638515
Just don't give all of the Germans assault rifles, might make things a bit uneven.

All the boxes will let you make two ten man squads with bits left over to make a commander and various weapon teams so you should be good.

>>53638568
Is it possible to play on a skirmish level with each model moving independently? Can't find any skirmish rules

>>53639393
Five Men at Kursk seems good. I'm gonna play it soon.

Any suggestions on a Napoleonic Wargame that is interesting with around 4 infantry battalions per side? (maybe an artillery or cavalry unit added to each side as well..)

Everything seems to go for the ''10 battalions or more'' route it seems. Hard to get into it.

>>53639638
Hmmm... From Shako to Coal Scuttle is arguably the closest, though it is just an interesting take on FiveCore. I've been attempting to developing my own, but it's mostly unfinished and the testing has led to some rather interesting results (like most formations routing like crazy). I'll try and get it done, but my aim is to have a really simple, really easy to use system that still allows for tactical maneuvering.

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I tried out a new stressing technique I saw on YouTube.

>>53636911
Sounds cool. I'll put in tentatively depending on what happens. An order a day would suit me best but if an hourly game falls on a day off I'd be good. I'd even put in as a sub commander if that'd work better overall.

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>>53631341
You could also try Ostfront - quickfire rules PDF related

>>53636498
I think STALKER would suit something with a bit more RPG than BA. Being able to loot corpses and customize guns and something that suits smaller actions with a few guys a side I think would be better. Playing STALKER with BA would be like playing D&D with WHFB imo.
If I was to run a STALKER campaign, I would use the Traveller rules. Everything you need is there, and it can cover things like diplomacy, monstrous creatures and radiation. To do STALKER right it needs to be an RPG campaign run by a GM. Its such an immersive world that it needs good descriptions and lots of fog of war that doesn't really suit a quick WW2 skirmish system.

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>>53631341
While you're taking a look around, make sure to check out Battlegroup, too.

>>53642332
I don't want to play an RPG though

>>53639638
Napoleonics using the battalion as the element usually seem to focus on the mixing of combined arms and if there's one thing I quickly learned trying out new rulesets with just a few units it doesn't seem to work that well. Maybe try something like Sharpe Practice or Chosen Men (disclaimer haven't played this one) which are more large skirmish but should keep down to just a few battalions.

>>53637471
>And STALKER works on a scale that's very much about individuals.
Plenty of room for larger skirmishes. Duty vs Freedom vs Adidas Gopniks squabbling over a small complex of buildings is well within Bolt Action's scale. No vehicles, probably, and limited modern weaponry... so you're dealing with (assault) rifles with the very occasional MG or light mortar or RPG, well within Bolt Action's scale.

>>53645347
Sounds like boring Infantry vs Infantry turkeyshooting for me. Whoever has cover and rolls better wins I'm going from the assumption that bolt action equals ww2 40k here. Five men at kursk sounds like a much better option.

>>53645478
Oh, it is, fivecore owns, but if you can't make an infantry bolt action game fun with scenario, objectives, and stalker style then you're not trying.

Redpill me on Five Men in Kursk, what is the difference between it and FiveCore?

>>53645347
I guess if you want to play STALKER without any of the flavor, BA is perfect, as its pretty much WW2 without any of the flavor.

Guys with assault rifles shooting at each other isn't really the core of the STALKER experience. You want atmosphere, anomalies, monsters, fear and tension in the red forest full of radiation. 1 guy with an AK holding off against 20 armed bandits with shotguns and pistols.

>>53639638
I've seen rules for a brigade on each side, but they go into more detail (2 bases to a company) so use just as many models on the table.
Neil Thomas's One hour wargames are the only rules I know designed for 4 bases to a side.

>>53646231

Redpill? What does it even means?

>>53645478
>>53646249
>roll a dice every time a model moves
>on a roll of one, he accidentally steps into a whirlygig and explodes
I fixed it, this is the perfect stalker game

What terrain should I make for Bolt Action? Atm I have

>3 Pillboxes
>Wooden bunker
>Concrete bunker
>2 minefields
>Barbed wire
>Czech hedgehogs
>Dragon's Teeth

Doing mostly Eastern Europe. Any thoughts on what my next project should be?

>>53647242
Grab yourself a couple of mdf buildings, if you're willing to paint and decorate them a little yourself you can get some really nice terrain ridiculously cheap now.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/28mm-Hamlet-4-houses-Laser-Cut-MDF-Building-Scenery-Infinity-Bolt-Action-/361555622624?hash=item542e64fae0%3Ag%3AOgUAAOSwcL5XM0dP&_trkparms=pageci%253A53e08eaa-4a94-11e7-8c38-74dbd180fbca%257Cparentrq%253A7c9376ff15c0a88b6bef590cfff77ca5%257Ciid%253A4

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>>53639638
We played Rank&File with 4 infantry battalions, a cavalry regiment and a cannon per side and it was fun.

>>53642332
I wouldn't go as deep as that, but I agree a more RPG-styled game with figure progression, gear expansion and so forth would be better - something like This is Not a Test, the writer even said at one point that a Stalker-esque expansion can be expected.

>>53645347
I'm not sure...BA in it's core is really dull. Couple of guys running around with assault rifles is nothing really interesting, and firefights in Stalker with bigger groups was more than that. Jamming weapons, bleeding, anomalies, artifacts, etc.

>>53647108
"Explain to me the basic jist of it"

Thinking of doing a Pacific Theater army for Bolt Action. Already have two European theater armies. Debating between IJA and USMC. I'm aware of the other options (Aussies, Chinese, New Guinea natives, Dutch, etc.) but the lack of suitable plastics for anything but the Aussies means I'm just debating the former two.

Any opinions?

Any opinions?

>>53640574
Will check it out, thx!

>>53645048
I think you have a very good point, I just want to get into playing this year. I will take a look at these skirmish games you mentioned.

>>53646394
Thanks, doesn't have to be bases per side (a French battalion is 36 men)

>>53647517
Thank you, will check that one out!

>>53632019
Ta I've heard of that one, it doesn't have measures or turns if I recall correctly. Nice board BTW

>>53632364
Not heard of that one, name implies cold war, but a quick google says otherwise. What's its thing?

>>53642332
Ta. Any chance you can sell this one, partially because I'm lazy to read and have been sent 4x new games

>>53642547
That's the game made by plastic soldier company isn't it? I presume its designed to work perfectly with FoW stuff

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>>53647932
Perhaps Chindits/Gurkhas in Burma, or maybe regular US Army dudes? The latter tend to get overshadowed by the Marines but they did a lot of fighting.

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>>53648086
>That's the game made by plastic soldier company isn't it?
Iron Fist Publishing, but they work very closely together with PSC.
>I presume its designed to work perfectly with FoW stuff
Wouldn't say perfectly, but really well.

Any Anon have the rest of the Battlegroup expansion scans? The OP mega is missing quite a few (Barbarossa/Blitzkrieg/Wacht am Rhein/Overlord - full scan incl the fluff campaign and scenarios/Tobruk)

>>53647932
IJA sounds like fun to me. The option of taking Light Mortars for infantry sections makes me hard. But their vehicles are so god damn unsexy.

>>53647112
>not throwing bolts
it is called "bolt action" after all... just throw the bolt from your gun :^)

>>53648086
Ostfront is quick and deadly, made to balance fast play with realism. Roll very few dice, army lists have been balanced against each other over 5 years of play-testing.

>>53647932
this
>>53648143

Warlord do Chindits, Meryls Marauders and new plastic aussie commandos as well as pacific americanos. Also the terrain tutor on youtube has done a pacific theatre sterrain segment

>>53649220
>plastic aussie commandos
Aren't those metal?

>>53648367
If you find/buy 'em you know where to post the scans ;)

I like wargaming but am too autistic for all the sci-fi bullshit. of 40k. The comics/game shop near me plays Bolt Action, but I'd prefer practically any other period to WWII. Is Bolt Action a noticeably better game than say Hail Caesar or Black Powder? Are the communities for the latter two practically non-existent?

>>53650416
Watered down 40k vs. somewhat obscure grognardy game

Their other historical systems need noticably more figures, even if you play with the recommended minimum unit sizes. You need to look for historical clubs I guess.

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>>53650416
There are pretty decent communities for both of those games as far as I know, just a matter of googling for wargame clubs in your local city, heading along and asking people if anyone plays them or what napoleonics or ancients systems they use.

>>53650442
>>53650460

Thanks. I'll probably give Bolt Action a look in anyway. Do you guys know if the player base tends to have many PANZER STRONK wehraboos/neonazis that tend to pervade WWII RTS communities?

>>53650528
BA is pretty much 40K with WW2 units - expect a range of players, plenty of powergaming, and the odd guy who plays themed lists

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>>53649220
>Merrill's Marauders

Fascinating bunch of guys, barely ever see them on the tabletop. I believe they were the only US Army unit in the China-Burma-India theater. A number of volunteers were drawn from stockades; while they were only a handful the whole unit got a kind of "Dirty Dozen" reputation as redeemed crims. Like the Chindits they suffered brutally through the campaign, with a lot of them basically crippled for life thanks to various nasty jungle diseases and the sheer physical ordeal of being a guerilla in Burma.

>In slightly more than five months of combat, the Marauders had advanced 750 miles (1,210 km) through some of the harshest jungle terrain in the world, fought in five major engagements and engaged in combat with the Japanese Army on thirty-two separate occasions, including two conventional defensive battles with enemy forces for which the force had not been intended nor equipped. They traversed more jungle terrain on their long-range missions than any other U.S. Army formation during World War II.

>The men of the Merrill's Marauders enjoyed the rare distinction of having each soldier awarded the Bronze Star. In June 1944, the 5307th Composite Unit (provisional) was awarded the Distinguished Unit Citation: "The unit must display such gallantry, determination, and esprit de corps in accomplishing its mission under extremely difficult and hazardous conditions as to set it apart and above other units participating in the same campaign."

>On 10 August 1944 the Marauders were consolidated into the 475th Infantry, which continued service in northern Burma as a component of the division-sized MARS Task Force until February 1945. On 21 June 1954 the 475th Infantry was re-designated as the 75th Infantry; thus Merrill's Marauders is the parent of the 75th Infantry Regiment, from which descended the 75th Ranger Regiment.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/9y185aztwchjoj8/Osprey+-+WAR+141+-+Merrill%E2%80%99s+Marauders.pdf

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Okay lads, have some Airfix US paratrooper dump.

>>53639393
Check out "five men at normandy". It should be in the OP. Its a very nice skirmish game if you want to move your men as independently.

"five men at kursk" is basically an improved version of that game but its not needed for a first impression.

For infantry boxes:

Avoid "German Late war infantry" "US infantry" and "british infantry". These 3 were the first (and therefore oldest) of the plastic WW2 minis by Warlord games. Diplomatically speaking: They aren't that great.

If you want americans, get either marines or airborne, if brits, get their paras and for the germans you can choose between Grenadiers, Fallschirmjäger and Blitzkrieg. (There is the Pioneer box too, but its essentially a Box of Blitzkrieg Infantry with some extra parts for conversion).
From the three German boxes i would either pick the Fallschirm or the Grenadier one. They match well against the Airborne or Paras.

Btw, check ebay. You often find Warlord stuff in mint condition for less than on their Website.

>>53630560
I didn't know Rick Moranis fought in WWII

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>>53650851
Now if my browser wasn't shit, I could even post more...

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>>53650901

>>53646231
FiveCore has generic rules that work at almost every setting.

5MinKursk has special rules suited for WW2.

So if you want flexibility, get FiveCore (and Normandy from the OP).
If you know you will only play WW2 and nothing else, get Kursk.

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>>53650931

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>>53650887
>>53630560
As it happens those three Paras are alive and well today

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>>53650931
And that's it.

Happy D-Day, everyone.

>>53647242
This
>>53647482

A couple of houses/huts.

4Ground might be expensive as hell, but they do lovely eastern european village buildings.

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>>53650956
>Happy D-Day, everyone.

In case D-Day failed, Eisenhower sketched out the news bulletin he would release:

>Our landings in the Cherbourg-Havre area have failed to gain a satisfactory foothold and I have withdrawn the troops. My decision to attack at this time and place was based upon the best information available. The troops, the air and the Navy did all that Bravery and devotion to duty could do. If any blame or fault attaches to the attempt it is mine alone.

Funnily enough he dated it July 5th, instead of June 5th, but then he probably had a lot on his mind.

>>53650528
>Do you guys know if the player base tends to have many PANZER STRONK wehraboos/neonazis that tend to pervade WWII RTS communities?

These guys certainly exist, as you would expect. But from my experience they are not the majority. (Obviously i can only speak for my little area in middle Germany). I know 2 of them, one slowly starting to get more into themed armies and less "Veterans with ARs only backed by StuH"-Powergaming.
If you have bad luck, you get a group where everyone is like that.. for me that would have killed the fun right from the start. But you have to see that for yourself.

I never encountered neonazis playing the game though. But i know an Antifa Member playing 12th SS..

>>53650954
Well, chute.

>>53649635

They are metal. Wish they were plastic.

>>53651059
ive been gaming for over 35 years. (yes I know-im fucking ancient)

i have run into 1 person that was a bit more-enthralled by the germans than he should have. and more than likely had a far too big fascination with the SS. Very polite and quiet guy. not that great of a gamer-think he had it in his mind his supermen SS should win everything and didnt put to much thought into tactics and gameplay.

Truth of the matter is youll run into more rabid players with sick fascinations with their armies in 40k than you will in historicals.

youll run into more rivet counters in historicals...but thats to be expected and they are harmless really....

>>53647242
...trees and fields and hedges and fences?

>>53648086
>Not heard of that one, name implies cold war, but a quick google says otherwise. What's its thing?
Allegedly 1915-2015, with extensive stats and listings for a whole bunch of ww2 and modern kit, and pretty decent rules to stat up your own stuff if you disagree with the way the author did something or want to use something that isn't included. There is a LOT of stuff included.

It's pretty fast-play.

It also has rules for tactical nukes of many different yields.

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Got lots of diddley today, including some Ultima Ratio Chindits in 1:72. And I gotta say, they have the best looking Thompsons I've ever seen on a miniature, including 28mm.

God damn, if they'd do these exact minis in 28mm, they'd still be considered good.

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>>53648974
>it is called "bolt action" after all

I don't normally come here, but I got a copy of Third Reich from my uncle.
What should I expect?

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>>53654398

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Do you guys know the difference between these two Sdkfz 251/9 "Stummel"?
I want to build one, but i can't figure out if they are two entirely different vehicles, or an early version and a late one (maybe the higher one was early and they improved/lowered the silhouette later?) or maybe even vehicles from two different factories.

>>53654398
which version. there have been a few games titled Third Reich

Are there no batreps of Five Men at Kursk? I can't find a single one

>>53654928
Stummel is german for 'Stumpy' or "Stub'. they tended to name anything with a short barreled gun as stumpy. I can think of...4 or 5 different vehicles they called Stummel

the first pic is indeed the earlier version with the 75 mm L/24 low velocity gun, using the same pedestal gun mount employed on the StuG III.

the 2nd pic is the 1944 version that was a revised modular gun mount was introduced to facilitate production that also incorporated a coaxial MG42

>>53654398
Played it twice. It's a great game if you've got the time.
>hoping I'll find opponents when I retire

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Any English civil war-gamers in here?

Can you use Warlord's plastic pike and shotte infantry box to represent the New Model Army? The pictures on the website aren't great so it's hard to tell if there is any difference, I assume the style of coat was very similar though.

>>53656537
they'll be fine.

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>>53650901
>>53650915
>>53650931
>>53650937
>>53650956
those are really good. you made those awful sculpts looks like proper miniatures.

>>53650881
>Avoid "German Late war infantry" "US infantry" and "british infantry". These 3 were the first (and therefore oldest) of the plastic WW2 minis by Warlord games. Diplomatically speaking: They aren't that great.

I don't get this. I can only speak for the US plastics, but I far prefer the US infantry box to the Paratrooper box.

Yes, it's a little bit less modern than the Airborne, but the US Inf box is way more customizable, and the troopers aren't giant gorillamen.

Separate weapons is a big plus in my mind too. I can't fathom why the Airborne box has so many carbines in it.

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>>53656848
>you made those awful sculpts looks like proper miniatures.
Thanks, but these are actually good sculpts - made in '75, so among the later kits, like the Marines/Infantry (not much marine-y on them desu) where sculpting was actually nice. The not-sideway faces still hold up today, and the figure Airfix claims to be John Wayne actually looks like him.

On an unrelated note, used approx. two Para boxes, an Airfix 6pdr (you get two of them in a box plus two Universal Carriers), two IMEX Korean War South-Koreans, a Marine torso, two British Commando torsos with bazookas (why even...), a Commando torso with a Thompson, two .30cals from the Esci US paras, the medium mortar from the British paras box (which looks nothing like British paras), the light mortar and two BARs from a random sprue of US weapons I got from somewhere and a Hasegawa field radio. Thanks bitsbox for supplying me with these.

>>53656537
Yes and yes. There's nothing really different about the new model army in terms of fashion other than they managed to roughly standardise at least part of a uniform coat, which differed between regiments still in cuffs and stuff.

>>53656637
>>53657051

Thanks.

What rules are people using?

I was going to buy one of Warlord's starter boxes, break it into two forces and use them for Pikeman's Lament.

Do we have the Osprey for the First Indochina war?

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>>53657583
This one?

>>53657945
Thanks mate.

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Any opinions on the 15mm Army sets from the plastic soldiers? (pic relatrd) I want to use them to finally get started with battlegroup

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I plan to get above and pic relatrd

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>>53658086
>pic relatrd

>>53658021
What sort of opinions? If you want to see sculpt quality, ask YouTube.

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>>53658128
Forgive the grotesque spelling, it kinda gets late over here

>>53658256
Yup and of course the only thing i didn't check for beforehand were youtube videos... found some i think the sets look pretty good?

Anyone here play Five Men at Kursk with 28mm models? All my terrain is 28mm and I don't really want to switch to 15mm

>>53658377
PSC stuff looks good. Fits right in with Battlefront and is cheaper (although BF has reduced prices on new plastic kits, god bless them). If you're not in the UK, check eBay as there are a couple webstores in the US that sell PSC stuff but without the higher shipping.

>>53658128

> Mussolini for ants.

>however now V2 has come out and templates are back I presume there would be issues doing that.

We play Bolt Action 15mm, and instead of templates, we just use the die rolls for "hits within buildings" for HE hits. We use FoW infantry bases (2-3 per squad) and keep track of casualties on a piece of paper, removing bases when the squad's numbers are diminished. Works very well.

Has anyone seen/played the TFL "Storming the Citadel: Grossdeutschland at Kursk" pint-sized campaign for Chain of Command? Is it any good?

>>53636498
Dunno how well it would work, but if you're willing to venture into more /awg/ territory This is Not a Test might work for you.

It's more pulp post-apoc (very fallout inspired) but if you cut out the rules for mutants and the more high-tech equipment it still has a solid game underneath with a nice campaign system.

>>53641681
StuGtacular.

>>53651079
You son of a gun.

Does a PDF of The Deluge for By Fire and Sword exist anywhere? If not, then could someone tell me what the Brandenburg skirmish force looks like in that book. I'd like to see what their lists look like before I commit to buying them.

>>53660108
Nevermind I'm a fucking idiot. The By Fire and Sword books in the Horse and Musket folder aren't the most up to date ones if anyone else didn't know that.

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>>53655105
I'm home now, got a picture. It looks like an awesome game if I could actually find opponents invested enough to sit through the whole thing.

>>53663531
ahh the original. good game-bit wordy and overly complicated, but a classic in its very own right. you have 2nd edition. you should be able to find 4th edition rules online somewhere

>>53647108

"redpill me on X" is synonymous with "can I get a basic gestalt on X?"

>>53641681
Wouldn't have been a salt resist would it? Whatever you did in fact do, looks quite nice.

>>53658643
fivecore works fine in 28mm, as do a lot of games

>>53659539
TNT is actually a pretty solid skirmish-with-guns game for a lot of periods, and I'm really enjoying the way it plays. You absolutely can just ignore all the mutants and SF stuff. May not be worth buying a hardcopy for that, but IIRC the PDF's pirateable, and there's someone on ebay selling hardcopies for £31 in the UK, which is about £10 off.

>>53666105
It's in /awg/'s trove anyways.

And for Stalker, you'll need some mutants and SF stuff. Other anon mentioned to lose high-tech stuff...well, some high tech stuff is in Stalker too, like the Gauss rifle.

I found this awesome site about British artillery in WW2.
http://nigelef.tripod.com/directory.htm

And this one about the Vickers.
http://www.vickersmachinegun.org.uk/

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Today marks the centenary of the start of the Battle of Messines. This is a pet subject of mine because it involves New Zealand in WW1, and was one of the few decent Allied victories won on the Western Front in 1917.

At 3.10am on 7th June 1917, a series of underground mines laid by Allied tunnellers exploded under German-held territory near the Belgian village of Messines. The joint explosion ranks among the largest non-nuclear explosions of all time. The sound of the blast was considered the loudest man-made noise in history. Reports suggested that the sound was heard in London and Dublin, and at Lille University's geology department, the shock wave was mistaken for an earthquake. Some eyewitnesses described the scene as "pillars of fire", although many also conceded that the scene was indescribable

Just moments after the thunderous blast and backed by heavy artillery, New Zealand troops alongside Australian and British forces began advancing across no-man's land to capture their objective, Messines Ridge.

Compared to the misfortunes of the Somme in 1916 and the tragedies that were to come at Passchendaele, the Battle of Messines was a relative success for the Allies. Yet, the ground gained was not achieved without considerable losses for the NZ units involved. Withdrawn from the line two days later, the New Zealanders had suffered 3700 casualties from the offensive, 700 of which were fatal.

Four Victoria Crosses were won: one British. one New Zealander, and two Australian. There is an very watchable Aussie movie called "Beneath Hill 60" about the mining companies who dug the devastating mines. That was a brutal subterranean struggle under the trenches as both sides fought like rats in the tunnels.

There's a Messines Road in almost every town in NZ, and it's nice to see the Belgians renamed the road through Messines (now Mesen) Nieuw-Zealanderstraat. We have a big memorial nearby too.

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>>53668901
Got something for you. Wrote a FiveCore adaption with a heavy focus on tunneling some time last year.

Check it out.

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>>53670081
I remember that anon, I recall you were inspired by Peaky Blinders. Nice work.

>>53668901
Movie was pretty fun.

>>53670111
Yeah, that's right. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.

Hi guys, do any of you happen to have the PDFs for the latest Bolt Action 2ed faqs, Konflikt 47 faqs, any of their WW2 painting guides and Test of honour Rulebook? I know they're free on Warlord's website, but I for various reason can't make an account there, so if you can help me I'd be really grateful.

>That moment when you start listening to a audio book about Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck and the get the compulsion to make a skirmish game for the German war in east Africa.

Why... why must I do this each time I learn about a war or an interesting time?

>>53670931
I'd like to hear those reasons before doing so.

Also, you don't need to have an account for the FAQs - here's the BA one, look for the K47:

http://www.warlordgames.com/downloads/pdf/ba-errata.pdf

I'm reading about artillery in WW2. Apparently the British had a novel concept of the artillery observer being able to *order* their attached battery to fire - whereas other nations only allowed the observer to request fire. That much makes sense to me... but why the fuck would you do it any other way? The whole struggle of artillery support - since it's invention - was getting that firepower down to the tactical level so the fires are accurate and timely.

So why would a forward observer only be allowed to request fire? Who the hell actually approves it? Where is that person? Is he sitting with a staff team at the artillery park? This shit seems counter-intuitive as fuck.

>>53653663
I have the taliban. Fantastic figures.

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>>53673263
Yep, they are. Wish the kit had an RPK included, tho, instead of the Lee-Enfield armed lad.

And basically the opposite goes to the Spetznaz - they have an RPK, but no RPG. But that's a really good box as well, my planned Stalker game in 1:72 will have some of those included as generic Stalkers, bandits or mercs.

>>53673255
>So why would a forward observer only be allowed to request fire? Who the hell actually approves it? Where is that person? Is he sitting with a staff team at the artillery park? This shit seems counter-intuitive as fuck.

Former red leg here. It makes perfect sense when you actually bother to think about it nor was/is it as cut & dried as you want to believe; i.e. no one back at the battery had to say "yes' to every request. Nearly all the time, the observer "orders" or "requests" fire and the lanyards get pulled.

Putting it another way, you're sperging over a word choice and not an actual practice.

First, arty is not infinite and what seems like a crisis to one fwd observer may not be important in the Big Picture. The people with a better view of the Big Picture need to be able to redirect support to where it's most needed and that means occasionally denying support "requests" or overriding support "orders" from engaged units. Different words, same result.

Second, that UK observer's fire "order" could be and was routinely countermanded for the reason listed above. His US counterpart's "request" was honored just as often as the UK dude's "order" and without the second "yes" you assumed was required, the US just used the term "request" because support could be denied as the situation demanded.

While both the UK and US observers didn't need a second "yes", they could occasionally receive a "No".

You'll enter combat with batteries tasked to your mission. Those batteries are yours and they'll fire your support missions on demand UNLESS a whole lot of shit starts hitting the fan someplace and those tubes are needed elsewhere.

>>53673556
So why is this researcher going on about Brit artillery being more responsive than most?

>>53673556
Also, if I might add something, when an observer might not see that friendlies are in the area where he wants to call the arty, the HQ might get reports of friendlies fighting where the observer called the arty to.

>>53673689
>So why is this researcher going on about Brit artillery being more responsive than most?

Most, not all. There's also selective bias. Focusing on one minor aspect rather than the entire fire support issue.

The US had the best arty in WW2 hands down. (The USSR had more tubes, but the US' tubes were better manufactured, supplied, aimed, moved, etc.) The US had more FOs and others plugged into their control net and had also better fire control routinely laying down time-on-target support fire missions the other powers could rarely if ever achieve.

T-o-T requirement for the fire from all tasked tubes at varying distances to arrive at the same time will delay support fires but not prevent them. The UK FO's "order" could result in a 3 round stonk from some mortars arriving quickly while the US FO's request would result in mortars, howitzers, and the kitchen sink all arriving together 10 seconds or so later than the smaller UK "barrage".

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Got a visit by my gf's sister a few weeks back. She saw my models and wanted to try assembling and painting some. They didn't turn out half bad if you ask me.

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>>53674845

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>>53674864
I especially liked this guy.

>>53674864
Second from the right has hilarious eyebrows.

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Ok quick question for all you WW2 uniform nerds. Did the American infantry in North Africa during WW2 ever wear overcoats? I'm wondering if I paint these minis with desert fatigues if I can make them a North African American army but they have overcoats. Can anyone confirm or deny?

>>53675204
I am moderately certain they didn't. While the (US) fighting in North Africa happened during the winter, it wasn't that cold, and the overcoats were quite warm.

>>53674845
>>53674864
You should tell her not bad for (assuming) a first timer.

>>53675146
He looks like he's gonna personally shove that grenade up somebody's asshole before he pulls the pin.

>>53675248
Thanks bro. Guess I'm gonna have to start collecting a late war German army. How terrible!

>>53675267
Yeah, these were her first eight minis.
>>53675146
Heh yeah, she made each of them look stupid in their own unique way.

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Alright, /hwg/, I need your collective knowledge again!
Where can I find some Prussian Foot Guards (or Grenadiers) with a uniform like this one (pic) in 1/72 - 20mm?

>>53675671
How's their backpack? I'd make some GS plumes to Stovepipe shako'd Brits and paint long boots on them.

Also, take a look at Newline Designs, they have shitton of stuffs.

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>>53674864
>>53675146

Anyone have any nice vouchers for Warlord this month?

>>53675671
I'd say HaT prussian infantry (from the new mould the 'marching'and 'action' sets), just mould the plume yourself

/hwg/ I have a question that is merely a product of my historical autism. I am building a 15mm WW2 British army. I want to have options for fielding regular Lorried Rifles - specifically 51st Highland, but I also want some Shermans or Cromwells in my collection. However the 51st were an infantry division with no organic tank support - to my knowledge they would be relying on attached stuff like Churchills.

So my next step is to find an Armored Division that fought alongside the 51st. For example, I don't want to put a bunch of 11th Armored Shermans on the field next to 51st Infantry if that never happened.

Where would I go to research this? Should I feel shame for my need to avoid historical inaccuracies? Does this need get worse as I get older?

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>>53676548

U W0T M8

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>>53676548
I knew I did not delete this image for a reason.

Does anyone think Black Powder would be better if it focused on a smaller game?

I know the designers like to play massive games but for most people a 6X4 table is the average they'll be using. It seems like Warlord are fucking themselves over a bit since a lot of people play BP in 15mm instead so they can have a smaller board.

>>53673353
Nice figures.
I too would have preferred a RPK, but I like the Enfield. Especially for early war snipers.

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>>53677564
Cheers.

Yeah, but if I had to choose from an Enfield or an RPK...RPK would get my vote.

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>>53677466
The whole series requires a giant play surface to have any degree of movement other than forwards and backwards when played in 28mm unless you use obnoxiously tiny units; so yes, yes it would be a much better game in 15mm or smaller for most people.

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>>53671589
The Great War youtube series had a bunch of episodes on German east Africa - thrilling stuff.

I've been meaning to do a campaign book for Westfront that includes the east African campaign and units involved. I have a few other projects to finish first though - namely a modern air combat game starting with Korea and 'Nam tech, and going to ~2000.

>>53677046
I don't know if it would help you or not, but do note that they could also have been supported by independent armoured brigades, with Shermans.

(You could always cover the shermans in stowage and camo nets to the point where any identifying marks would be invisible)

>>53675671
This is a great place for finding and assessing 1/72 minis:
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/PeriodList.aspx?period=22#Prussia-Infantry

unfortunately none of the miniatures listed there have that specific fur head-thing

>>53677466
Take 2/3rd of every distance and you're set.

What's a good way to make hedgerows for 28mm scale?

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>>53678621
Clump foliage (it's a coloured sponge... thing, possible to buy or make) jammed on a base. Or stuck to a thing that's on a base to create bulk whilst using less of the foliage.

>>53677710

Yeah I'll probably be playing it using 18mm AB Napoleonic but I may go smaller since I only have a 6 by 4 table. It's just such a shame since Warlord make lovely 28mm but their game just isn't suited to that scale when they expect people to have multiple detachments with multiple units in them.

>>53679033
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic

AB Napoleonics are not a big step down from the detail of 28mm. Took me ages to finish the few figures I bought as a test. From there I went ''fuck it, go small!" and bought some Baccus and Adler figs. I didn't like the look of the bases, either too much open ground or too many figures required.


I tried to do some 10mm Napoleonic test figures recently and they are really great! Nice detail, can be fast to paint and the bases look good! If you are not yet invested in AB and are still on the fence, take a look at the 10mm stuff! (Pendraken/Magister Militum etc.)

>>53679167

I would maybe go down to 10mm, I haven't bought any yet but I play Flames of War so I already have some 15mm 'European' terrain.

Pendraken 10mm looks quite nice, shame they don't have any 100 days French.

>>53679305
>>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic

I have the same, invested in 15mm for my Ancients and WWII, but Napoleonics just take so damn long!

The Pendraken 1809 doesn't look bad for 100days, especially the greatcoat ones! Magister Militum are nice too, I've seen them in person but don't have any yet.

http://lancerminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=102

>>53679475

Yeah I knew from the beginning I could never be arsed to paint hundreds of 28mm figures.

I think I probably will go for 10mm, they're look good enough, plus you can get an entire army for £60.

What bases do people usually mount 10mm's on?

>>53680267
>he doesn't plan on painting 256 man large pike phalanxes

>>53680267
>What bases do people usually mount 10mm's on?

40mmx20mm, Warmaster basing.

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>>53680884
Even 96 is too damn many in 28mm.

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>>53680992

>>53677046
In Operation Totalize the fought alongside several armoured units, including the 1st Polish armoured division which I believe had both cromwells and shermans

Kriegspiel anon here again, just giving something of a reminder that I'm still waiting for at least another player, at the very least (besides >>53642065). Still trying to decide era and scale, though (this post has a bit more info: >>53631460).

If you guys wanna participate, give it a shot, I'll turn that into a battle that actually sounds like a proper battle.

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Roman Army Units in the Eastern Provinces (1): 31 BC-AD 195 (Osprey Men-at-Arms 511)

Between the reigns of Augustus and Septimius Severus, the Eastern provinces of the Roman Empire frequently saw brutal fighting, most notably during the conquest of Dacia by Trajan, the suppression of the Great Revolt in Judea and intermittent clashes with Rome's great rival Parthia. In these wars, Roman soldiers had to fight in a range of different climates and terrains, from the deserts of the Middle East to the islands of the eastern Mediterranean.Between the reigns of Augustus and Septimius Severus, the Eastern provinces of the Roman Empire frequently saw brutal fighting, most notably during the conquest of Dacia by Trajan, the suppression of the Great Revolt in Judea and intermittent clashes with Rome's great rival Parthia. In these wars, Roman soldiers had to fight in a range of different climates and terrains, from the deserts of the Middle East to the islands of the eastern Mediterranean.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/chh2ez0w6ip935c/Osprey+-+MAA+511+-+Roman+Army+Units+in+the+Eastern+Provinces+%281%29+31+BC+-+AD+195.pdf

>>53680930

For 8 by 2?

>>53680930
>>53680992
>>53681061

I have a lot of respect for people who go to this length but you need a massive 6X8 board to get the most out of them. Plus I assume these people tend to only stick to one period?

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>>53683548
Hol' up

theyz be sayin we wuz romans n' shiet?

>>53681061
>when you lose your petasos so you awkwardly balance a giant pita on your head and hope the other pezhetairoi don't notice and make fun of you

>>53685684

goddamnit osprey better have a good fucking explanation for this shit

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>>53686872
>>53685684
>Second centurio, Cohors I, Legio XV Apollinaris, Paphos, Cyprus, AD 69
>We know that a centurion of this unit accompanied Titus to the island at this date. The Eastern legions' equipment made abundant use of leather and other organic materials, such as felt and linen. This centurion's armour is reconstructed from the Tilurium reliefs, frescoes from Pompeii, and the monument to Favonius Facilis in Colchester. The silvered crest is inserted on the top of an embossed pseudo-Attic helmet with fronton, found in Israel (((David Xavier Collection))). The greaves (ocreae) and vine-staff are convention symbols of his rank.

So no, I thought maybe he was from some obscure Ethiopian auxillia unit I'd never heard of but no, Osprey has literally decided that they are no longer a historical publisher. I expect to see blonde blue eyed Han dynasty warriors any day now, since it totally *could* have happened

>>53686872
>>53687025

Lol.

Historically blacks had fewer problems than we can assume in rising in rank (particularly in the eastern and southern regions of the Empire). We have data on black noblemen even managing to climb in the entourages of important people in the city of Rome itself: considering the huge variety of population inside the empire that image is not suprising. Furthermore, yes, the Romans had a somewhat peculiar view of black people (mostly for religious reasons, you know, their skin colour was connected with the Underworld and thus some found them bearers of bad luck).

Even more, we are talking about a slave society were social class was far more important than , ehm, "race": the entire definition of Roman citizen is a legal one. If a Syrian or a Greek could become a citizen, or God Forbid, a German (a subhuman in the eyes of most Romans) could get in the Auxilia and get citizenship, who are we to assume some of the black populations under the empire could not?

But I guess you are all too worried about JEWSJEWSJEWSJEWS to READ THE FUCKING SOURCES, ASSHATS.

>>53686872
I've heard about some Numidian Imitation Legionnares in Pompey's army.

>>53687163
This won't go anywhere good, anon with that last sentence, but the reasoning works for me. Rome used a fuckton of auxiliaries, but getting so worked up about this is a kinda /pol/ thing to do.

Tho we have 92 posts till bump limit, so shitpost away!

What color scheme would best represent WW2 Canadians in Italy?

>>53687724

Pardon, telling /pol/ to get back to /pol/ has become almost a reflex. Because it's always Jews trying to pollute our Superior Heritage. Particularly if the thing (the perception and the role of black people in the Roman Empire) has got some good studies for it (and I'm not referring to Black Athena gibberish, but proper history).

Funnily enough, if someone dared to check the thing, Black Athena Revisited (one of the most rabid counters to Afrocentric Ancient History) has been written by a Jewish author, and we even got the usual antisemitism accusations flying around. But it must be all a plan of the Elders of Zion, nay?

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>>53688208
>color scheme
You mean like tank camouflage, or uniform colour? In either case, it's the same as the Brits - olive drab through mud brown for vehicles, and the thousand shakes of khaki for the uniforms.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/x721yhqf4furfcd/Osprey+-+MAA+359+-+Canadian+Forces+In+WW2.pdf
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/Canada/ww2_Canadian_Tanks.php

I always loved the peculiar regimental titles of the Canadian Army, they have a lot of character.

Anyone know of any good sites that delve into interwar tank development? I remember seeing a blog that had amazing detail on British armor in the 20s and 30s but can't seem to find it anymore.

>>53680267
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/chh2ez0w6ip935c/Osprey+-+MAA+511+-+Roman+Army+Units+in+the+Eastern+Provinces+%281%29+31+BC+-+AD+195.pdf
I use 40x20 and even some 20x20 for companies I would like to maybe seperate.

>>53675671
>>53675768
>>53676831
>>53677971
Yeah, I'm not the best with green stuff so I was hoping someone knew a manufacturer. Oh well.

I knew plasticsoldierreview and checked it already (in a complicated manner), but I never noticed you can sort by period, so thanks for that!

>>53688302
I was looking for both actually.
Would this be a good set of paints for uniforms?
https://store.warlordgames.com/products/late-war-canadian-army-paint-set
For tanks, something like Russian Uniform and US Olive Drab from Vallejo should fit I think.

So /hwg/, did you pick anything up in the warlord sprue sale?
>Greek Hoplite Command Sprue × 1
>Celtic Warriors sprue × 1
>Imperial Roman Veteran Infantry Sprue × 2
>Imperial Roman Veteran Command Sprue × 1
>25mm round lip bases sprue × 1
>Commando Sprue × 1 (4)
>Japanese Infantry Sprue × 1 (6)
>Modern Military (4 Man Frame) × 3
>Female Apocalypse Survivors Weapons Frame × 1
>Apocalypse Survivors - Male Weapons Frame × 1
>Soviet infantry sprue × 1 (8)
>USMC Sprue × 1 (6)
>US Infantry Sprue × 1 (4)
These will be 3 infantry, 1 elite inf and 1 hero for dragon ramapant. And enough mercenaries + operators for black ops. It's more /awg/ than /hwg/, but there isn't one up right now....

>>53687724
Numidians are not negroid. Fucking learn the difference between Numidia and Nubia.

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>>53675204
US troops in Operation Torch were actually issued tropical gear, so no overcoats. They felt rather sorry for their absence in the cold Algerian nights I bet, it gets damn chilly up in the mountains. By all accounts the logistical supply of the Torch forces was a mess; for example they shipped over hundreds of boxes of oranges, despite the fact Algeria was the world's leading exporter at the time. Yet they had no cold weather gear as the miserable North African winter set in.

>>53688818
fuck me I JUST ordered sprues off ebay as well

>>53688818
A bunch of roman infantry, a couple of french infantrymen and cannon.

>>53688818

Crap. I'm moving in 3 weeks so this is not the time to be bringing more junk into the apartment.

Next time they do a sale though I'm going to get some Soviet infantry and some zombies(maybe some of them can be painted/modelled to look like 1940's people for my Bolt Action Halloween project.)

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>>53688977

We wuz Berbers and sheeit

>>53687025
>Osprey has literally decided that they are no longer a historical publisher

And you find this surprising why?

In their book on ACW riverine warships, an Osprey illustrator put a RADIO DIRECTION FINDER LOOP on an American Civil War "cotton clad" ram. The ship in question was famous because her pilot had a pair of moose antlers mounted above her bridge windows. The so-called illustrator squinted at the photograph, couldn't decide what he was seeing, and painted in a fucking RDF loop instead.

Osprey books are good for their bibliographies and little else.

>>53691122
I don't see how one dumb editorial decision discredits an entire line, but hey. I don't suppose you know which particular Vanguard it was?

>>53677228
Surprised someone has kept a picture of one of my figures.

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>>53674864
>Painting eyes or eyebrows not even once

>>53688818
I looked but the realized I have too much lead to paint already, that and I'm unemployed as well.

>>53691186
I'm proud of this meme.

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>>53691122
>>53691178
Heh, found it. (You're not the guy from the Alternate Historical discussion thread I googled up, are you?) In the Mississippi Riverine NVA, appropriately enough. Still I find it more funny than anything else, I'm certainly not burning my books because of an artist's flub.

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>>53691317
Not meming for once, here's the proof in a half arsed photo in shitty light. Almost bigfoot evidence quality.

>>53691178
>I don't see how one dumb editorial decision discredits an entire line

It's not just one dumb decision. It's one EXAMPLE of many dumb decisions.

Talk with experts on a given topic Osprey has covered and they'll roll their eyes.

Good enough for gamers and painters? Sure/

Actual history books? Fuck no.

>>53691410
But I thought we were gamers and painters.

>>53691395

An alternate history board? Not me. Apart from all the shit I've noticed on my own, TMP regularly has threads calling out Osprey on their shit. Here's one:

theminiaturespage DOT com
/boards/msg.mv?id=121774

Osprey's problems are far more than just the occasional artist's flub.

>>53691554
>TMP regularly has threads calling out Osprey on their shit

Glad you like it friend!
Amicalement,
Armand

>>53676636
They do a 50%-on plastic sprues sale this month.. there won't be vouchers because people order anyway.

They always hand out these codes when there are no big discounts going on.

I think it was around easter this year when they offered free shipping, and the moment this was over they gave out a 10gbp coupon.

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I was excited about showing off the next set of 6 dudes (green shirts) and I took a picture before I finished their bases. I'll do it tomorrow. Night /hwg/.

>>53691607
Nice looking warband.

Are you the guy who criticized the Late Roman set?

>>53691410
They're intro level books that give a brief rundown on a specific topic. Sure mistakes are bad and should be avoided but the books themselves aren't indepth academic texts and shouldn't be compared to such titles.

>>53691595
Sadly, like all "specialist" publishers, all of the actual specialists have been made redundant (or "out-sourced") by the accountants and bean-counters. This has left many publishing houses over-populated with twenty-something first-jobbers, overwhelmingly female, with history degrees, but very little actual knowledge of military affairs and armed forces. Because of their age and limited knowledge, none of them feel confident (or in some cases even interested) in challenging what an author has written.

>>53687163
Yes, I agree. Why it's not possible, for the roman army, to have black auxilia units, especially in Middle East or Africa?
If you think that Septimius Severus was not white, why not an auxilia?

>>53692658
>black

By "black", do you mean Numidian or Nubian or something else? Black =/= African.

The distinction has been made further back then Old Kingdom Egypt, but modern SJW libtards can't quite grasp the idea for some reason.

>>53692870
We don't know if black african formed auxilia units in the Roman Empire. Say no from the start, is preconceived that I don't understand. Why in Egypt or in Cyrene there could't be a black units?
Do you think that in the Roman army there was only blonde haired men, with blu eyes? Very sad to think.

>>53694984
>Do you think that in the Roman army there was only blonde haired men, with blu eyes?

Not in the slightest. That would be as historically ignorant as thinking that African auxilia ever had more than one or two members of the Bantu, Kwa, Yoruba, Songhay, Oromo, Fulani, or any other Sub-Saharan tribe.

There were African-majority auxilia. There were not Sub-Saharan African-majority or even minority auxilia.

A few wanderers, escaped servants, and mercenaries? Sure. Anything more than a handful? Fuck no.

>>53691607
Put some caps on those baldies.

Did the romans ever use local levies far away from the mainland when defending against an invasion? Like Eastern Anatolia for example?

>>53696807
They used armenian troops sometimes if I recall.

>>53691595
*smiles*

>>53691628
Yeah. I'll be painting those next.

I just can't decide on the colour scheme atm.

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I spy with my telescopic eye something beginning with... C

>>53701763
Post the rest Anon

>>53691122
you should be careful of the company you are aligning yourself with here anon, they care less for facts than the people you are complaining about

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>>53701763
What a gorgeous mini

>>53702321
Found this other pic in the archives

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Bolt Action campaign update - June 1940.

The first year of the war consisted of relatively little fighting - while Leningrad changed hands twice as the Finns and Soviets fought over it, by June it was once again in Finnish hands. Britain has absorbed Spain and France and is moving on Italy, while the Germans have taken Austria, Hungary, and Poland. Finland has taken the entirety of Scandinavia while the Soviets have secured most of their cities.

(The British and German players both forgot their pins today, so Britain used the White spares and Germany the Orange.)

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>>53703940
What is the United States doing? Stuck enjoying the sights and pleasures of Marrakesh?

>>53703966
US player hasn't been able to show up yet. Which is fine, it's only 1940.

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>>53703940
Map at an angle - might be easier to see.

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>>53703977
>US player hasn't been able to show up yet.
Very historically accurate then!

>>53704036
On the other hand, the British and Germans have an uneasy alliance and Finland has turned into the Scandinavian Confederacy, so...

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>>53704054
>Finland has turned into the Scandinavian Confederacy
Truly the best timeline

>>53703940
>Soviets actually using supply lines now
beware the red menace is all I'll say.
Good to see the campaign is going well. US not turning up is perfectly accurate.

>>53703940
As you are playing bolt action: How realistic is it? I am lookin for some 15mm rulesets and am tied between this and battlegroup. fow is out because i prefer realism over propaganda and full Sturmgewehr Krauts

>>53705400
Not him, but someone who has played BA before.

It's not simulationist at all. It's more or less 3/4th edition Warhammer 40k, but well done, with a ww2 coat of paint.

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>>53705400
You could try Ostfront, IABSM, rapid fire or Chain of Command.

Ostfront quick-fire rules are here >>53642332.
Everything else should be in our OP folders

>>53705400
BA is at a quite different level of command to FOW/Battlegroup. You need to decide what type of commander you want to be - do you want to be moving armound individuals and deciding what they're going to do each turn or are you more interested in fighting bigger engagements (perhaps related to actual historic events)? Neither is wrong, just different.

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Could anyone tell me what systems are great for WW2 role-playing for about 4-6 people?

I looked at Behind Enemy Lines and Five Men in Normandy, but I want something different.

Thanks.

>>53705727
Check out the regiment downloadable for free here: http://mightyatom.blogspot.de/2012/11/the-regiment-alpha-21-playtest-kit.html?m=1. Very fun powered by the apocalypse hack.

>>53705727
Alternatively check out ballad of the laser whales in the song of swords general here in tg. Just change everything to historic and check the weaponname conversion list (weapons are just renamed RL ones)

>>53705400
Yes, we're playing Bolt Action. It's about a 3/10 on the realism scale. More than 40k, but only just.

>>53705816
>>53705833
Thanks guys

>>53706059

But that's not OK. Even if you're having fun, if you aren't playing on "maximum realism" mode with every possible game you play, you can't call yourself a real historical wargamer.

Find a different game.

>>53706366
>if you aren't playing on "maximum realism" mode with every possible game you play, you can't call yourself a real historical wargamer.
that's 100% bullshit my friend. All games run the gauntlet between realism, simplicity and fun. If we had to play 'maximum realism' with every game, we would never be able to play any games because no game is maximum realism.

>>53706412
It's bait.

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>>53706412
Just someone rehashing a very old and tired troll for the hundredth time anon, ignore it

>>53675248
It gets quite cold in the nights though.

The german africa corps set in 1/72 by revell has some soldiers with coats included.

>>53655222
Thanks. Thats exactly what i wanted to know.

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>>53707211
>The german africa corps set in 1/72 by revell has some soldiers with coats included.
It's striking sometimes to look at pics of the North African campaign and see chaps dressed up in cold weather gear. Speaking from personal experience I can definitely attest it's cold in the desert at night.

>>53705400
The rules are not really realistic. They are basic which is good, because they work and they are easy to learn.

The army lists depend entirely on the players themselves. If you play pickup games in a shop, expect your cheesy Stg-44 hordes backed by Flamethrower tanks.
But its entirely possible to play a very realistic force too and if you know a couple of guys with the same mindset as you in that regard it can be lots of fun.

>>53706366
That's why I have fitting clothing for every one of my armies - including the Canaan one. Gotta look the part.

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Anyone got a copy of this Hind and Seek game?

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>>53707271
Hello Virus! I do believe the game's designer is a regular lurker in these threads. He's quite a prolific creator who has made a bunch of stuff, we get regular playtest AARs.

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>>53707271
You can get it on wargame vault...

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/212538/Hind--Seek-SovietAfghan-War?src=hottest

>>53707211
The accompanying 8th army set has a sentry in long coat as well.

>>53707271
Tom's a nice dood, don't torrent his stuff.

Also, he said he'll gift it to us at one point like how he did with Ostfront.

>>53707370
>Also, he said he'll gift it to us at one point
Christmas/December, I believe he said.

>>53707471
Yeah, along those lines.

But anyway, buy his stuff, he's one of /hwg/'s own.

>>53703779

What manufacturer are these? They look 15mm.

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>>53708937
>>53703779
Man, you used to be able to rely on reverse image searches to find this stuff, but these days it's far less effective

>>53709011

I'll guess Essex because 15mm ECW are rare but they look very sharp for Essex, maybe he's just a good painter.

>>53709011
>>53709037
>>53703779

I've found them, 15mm Old Glory.

>>53709170
Good detective work anon

>>53675204
Those guys are wearing the M 1943 uniform and boots. those were first tested in Italy, so they don't fit Africa.

Lads I can't decide on whether to get 10mm or 15mm Napoleonics.

AB 15/18mm look so good, they're almost 28mm detail but can I be arsed to paint them all?

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>>53710062
6mm

3mm

>>53710238

Why not atomic 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001mm?

>>53710259
Do you expect to play only skirmish games with that? It's way too big.

>>53710259
The new Grand Strategy wargame that lets you play out WW2 in full detail across all fronts.

Microscope not included.

>>53710301

> When they can't recreate the Battle of Waterloo in every detail.

Fucking plebs eh?

Which writers are /ourguys/? I know Tom (Ostfront) and Ivan (FiveCore) are, but I can't really remember any other off the top of my head.

Oh, and on unrelated matters - I'm travelling to London this summer, do any of you lot know any good FLGS near Portobello Road?

>>53712565
>The guy that wrote Chevauchee.
>The guy that was doing Fear God and Dread Naught.
>NEA.

Might be one or two others, not sure.

>>53712565
well..ive designed and had published 4 modules for ASL/ATS. but they were minor titles.

I also did the bulk of the work behind the 'Late War Leviathans' pdf we came up with over in the Flames of War general

>>53710259
>he doesn't play 1:1 scale

>>53712757
>The guy that wrote Chevauchee.
>The guy that was doing Fear God and Dread Naught.

Weren't they both Tom?

Are there 28mm miniatures for cold war/modern South Africans or white mercenaries?