What does /tg/ think of the Inheritance Cycle?

Not good enough to be liked.
Not bad enough to be memed.

>>53629031
Had potential to a good (good not great) series.
Author should have gotten an editor to knock some sense into him/get him to cut out all the stupid shit/do some research into how stuff like pre-gunpowder battles work.

As it is, the first one is a solid 7/10 the rest can be skipped.

>>53629031
It's a good book series to get young readers into fantasy

Pretty meh overall

Besides, everyone knows that Bartimaeus is the patrician's YA choice.

Possibly the biggest waste of paper ever conceived by a non-government organization.

>>53629031
>That image

Did he forget that he basically wrote out a scene like that close to the beginning of Eldest?
I remember him trying to flirt with a sorceress in a dwarven bar and Saphira objects to it.

I was not surprised when I found out he was like four years old when he wrote it.

>>53629060
>As it is, the first one is a solid 7/10 insomnia cure
fixt
I'm kind of jealous that it would probably take significant effort for me to write the most generic fantasy story to get as much money as this Pastrami guy did.

>The BBEG was not Eragon's dad.
Well, that was actually a twist

>>53629106
Mah Djinni

>>53629333
In his defense he wrote it when he was like what, 15?

>>53629407
>the BBEG

Ugh.

>>53629031
Do you even need to ask?

>>53629106
This guy knows what's up.

>>53629436
>Ugh
Tch.

>>53629436
>>the BBEG
>Ugh.

>>53629031
He stunningly became a worse writer in the later books, leaning more and more on overblown descriptions and purple prose. And the payoff of the struggle against Galbatorix is pretty much exactly what you would expect and nothing more. Just a very, very generic fantasy setting.

>>53629468
>Tch.
Pssh

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>>53629106

>>53629487
>Pssh
Hmph.

>>53629436
Ein?

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>>53629436
>>53629468
>>53629471

>>53629031
Fucking worst piece of shit

>>53629324
Except he wasn't.

The age he is credited as having been when publishing is the age he was when he "first started working on his book". Exactly how you define first started working on depends on how far you can push it.

>>53629407
That's because it's star wars.

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>>53629031

>>53629502
>Hmph
Fufufu

>>53629702
>Fufufu
Ara ara!

>>53629031
Shamelessly copied from ursula le guins Earthsea and I'll never forgive it for that alone.

>>53629031
For some reason I keep associating it with The Sword of Truth.

>>53629729
>ara ara
Nani?!

>>53629826
>Nani?!
Yamero

>>53629788
That was a quite shitty show, but that thinly veiled BDSM episode was hot

>>53629866
>Yamero
Masaka!?!

>>53629106
This guy knows it.

>>53629677
Oh my god.
I thought I was the only one who noticed.
The scene where Eragon is learning magic from the old elf is lifted directly from Garion learning how to use the W&W from Belgarath.
Down to the descriptions of how magic works, gathering energy from everything around you, and the old guy exclaiming "not from me!".

>>53629031
There are a few things I think they did really right, or at least that I enjoyed
>Psychic magic AKA magic users being able to just completely destroy the memories and psyches of those less trained
>Energy cost and the ability to store energy in crystals for later use
>Heart-of-hearts in dragons being the source of their magic and them being able to retreat into them
>Magic Language and the rules concerning lying
>The nature of magic as it pertains to the language (e.g. "Protection from evil" and "Protection of evil" or whatever the mess-up was)
>The description of Galbatorix's sword, which for a dumb-ass kid, having white being equated to bleached bone was eye-opening

>>53630341
Baka yaro

>>53630571
almost forgot
>Using magic without words is possible but incredibly dangerous and requires real focus
>Villain learns the ancient word for magic, giving him meta powers.

>>53629106
myafricanamerican.jpg

>>53629407
>>53629578


Oh, don't worry, he doubled-back and changed it so that Brom was actually Eragon's father.

>>53629060
>Author should have gotten an editor to knock some sense into him/get him to cut out all the stupid shit/do some research into how stuff like pre-gunpowder battles work.

That doesn't happen when you only get published because your parents own the publishing company.

>>53630581
Je vous demande de vous arrêter.

>>53629106
Am I the only one who didn't like how that series ended? It's been many years, but I remember after the spirit that was using Gladstone's bones went on his rampage that the series went downhill.

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>>53630742

>>53630571
The majority of the magic system is shamelessly ripped off from LeGuin.

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>>53630753
Eh, I thought the ending was satisfactory desu. Plus the skelly part was great.

>>53630794
Desu desu desu

Bartimaeus had such a strange yet compelling setting, and it would probably work pretty well for an RPG, if only we knew more about it.

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Better question, what did /tg/ think about Fablehaven?

>>53630753
It was nice to see Nathaniel finally get the last word in though.

>>53629031
Offensively mediocre and derivative horseshit that is elevated to tooth-grindingly awful based on the fact that it was literally published because a homeschooled autists' parents were well connected in publishing.

>>53631030
It's at least fun to make fun of, and nobody really takes it seriously anymore.

The series that should get people angry about Is sword of truth, even if it does have scenes more hilariously bad than inheritance could come up with

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One day I'm going to inflict the movie onto my friends.

>>53631577
You don't do that to friends.

>>53631589
They're not his friends

>>53631607
They bloody well won't be after that.

>>53631589
They started it, dragging me along to watch The Last Airbender movie.

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>>53631914
What are you talking about dude they never made a movie

>>53631914
Show them no mercy.

Release the Twilight.

>>53631924
Though ignorance might be bliss confronting the horrors of the world will make you grow.

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>>53631959
THEY
NEVER
MADE
A
MOVIE

>>53631986
It exists, the sooner you accept that fact the sooner you can start to heal and move on.

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>>53631995
THEY NEVER MADE A FUCKING MOVIE YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT I WILL DRAW A PENTAGRAM WITH BLOOD FROM MY DICK AND INFLICT A CURSE ON YOU

>>53629031
If you're a teenager with little knowledge of fantasy it's a completely fine introduction to the genre.
To anyone older/more familiar with fantasy it's shit because the the writing is shit and it is extremely derivative of other stories, while generally not doing anything interesting with what it steals.

>>53630927
I really liked the concept for this but ultimately I didn't really enjoy the story or the characters or find the prose super compelling so I never read past the first volume. Does it have anything to recommend it later on?

>>53632020
You can't do to me what the world didn't already.

>>53629031
>What does /tg/ think of the Inheritance Cycle?
You will see a lot of grumbling shitposts, elitist nitpicking, and contrarian posturing here, but don't let that fool you.
Despite the memery of hatred, disgust, and general disregard for the creator's "hack writing", many anons really do honestly, deep down, love Star Wars.

Very fucking mediocre YA books, even by YA standards, that got published only because the author had publishers for parents.

Overall liked it as a kid that was just getting into fantasy, don't really like it as an adult because I now realize it's not very well written, but I still own the whole series and am probably going to have my fiance take them to her classroom for kids to borrow.

>>53630509
If you’re willing to go to Reddit:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/2bscok/could_yall_please_explain_to_me_why_the/cj8il6a/

I sometimes think that it's unfair to compare Eragon to Star Wars since they both follow the Hero's Journey very closely, then I remember that:
>Dragon Riders are basically Jedi
>Brom is basically Obi-wan
>Galbatorix is basically Vader
>Arya is basically Leia
>Jeod is a ham-fisted Lando
>Murtagh is a very ham-fisted Han Solo
>Eragon literally joins the rebellion against the empire

At least Roran's chapters from Eldest were cool.
Shit, the whole series could have been about Roran being a Tiny Tim in a world full of magic and monsters and it would have been a way better read.

>>53632394
>Roran being a Tiny Tim in a world full of magic and monsters and it would have been a way better read.
Also this.

>>53632124
10/10

>>53632394
Read the following plot summary:
A boy of foggy origins lives with his uncle in a remote place of a vast empire headed by an evil Emperor and his right hand man, who was once prominent in an ancient order of guardians with mystical powers.
Through fate or luck, depending on your point of view, this boy comes into the possession of an object vital to a rebellion against the Empire; this object was inadvertently sent to him by a princess in the rebellion, who had attempted to send said object to an old man who once belonged to the same order of guardians as the Emperor’s right-hand man.
This boy seeks the old man to learn of the ways of this ancient order, but eventually has to return to his uncle’s farm, which, the boy finds, has been destroyed by fire, and his uncle killed. The boy then sets off with the old hermit, who also gives him a sword which belonged to his father. As they travel, they train. The boy meets up with a rogue who is full of surprises, but turns out to be fiercely loyal, for all his proclaimed selfishness. The boy also begins "seeing" a beautiful woman imprisoned and in need of help.
The boy decides that he needs to rescue her, even though he doesn't know her; further, he thinks of her only as beautiful. Long story short, the old hermit dies to protect the boy, the boy and the rogue help the beautiful damsel escape.
They then set off to the rebellion to give important information and return the object which the princess had sent the boy. They were followed by the Empire, and prepare for a giant battle that will either save the rebellion or annihilate them.
The boy proves his worth with heroics during the battle, but his crowning achievement is his destruction of a noun of much power that has the ability to destroy lots of things. The boy is aided in this by one of his friends, who arrives at precisely the right moment.
The boy is lauded a hero.

>>53632461
The boy has a hallucination of a powerful master who can teach him more of the ancient order. The boy travels to the powerful master to learn the ways of the ancient order's mystical power. While there, he grows very powerful. While he is away, the Rebellion regroups in a new area.
Just when the boy is on a roll with his training, and has grown very powerful, he has a vision of his friends in great danger. He decides he must go to help them. His master warns him not to go. The boy promises that he will return. He leaves.
He finds his friends just in time and is able to distract the enemy so that his friends will remain safe. He finds out that his father was the right-hand man of the Emperor--his father was the one who betrayed the ancient order and helped kill them.
The boy is shocked and ultimately defeated, but not killed. He finds out that someone dear to him has been taken by evil people, and promises to find this person.
Now, is that the plot of Inheritance, or StarWars?

http://web.archive.org/web/20070501183115/www.anti-shurtugal.com/starwars.htm

>>53632482
Yes.

>>53629106
this
best alt history setting ever concieved
Gladstone did nothing wrong
gas the Czechs, magic wars now

>>53629031
It only exists because his parents are publishers. He's basically an above-average fanfic writer with some professional editing and marketing.

>>53631954
Twilight is funnier, especially when you get to the accidental implications, like brainwashed furry nonces and baby eating.

>>53629106
Oh man, my brother of African descent

>>53629106
Bartimaeus is patrician. I need to read that shit again

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>>53631914
That's probably a fair tradeoff.

>>53629407
If the timelines matched, I wouldn't be surprised if Pastrami was a TV Troper. It really feels like it came from the TV Tropes paint-by-numbers school of storytelling.

>>53631607
Get them on the dragon, I'll call it.

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What do you guys think of Artemis fowl?

>>53632680
First three are solid. After that, they decline with a pretty abrupt drop at the end

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>>53632680
Great for the first 3
Good for the next two
Spiraled the drain for the rest

>/tg/ knows and loves Bartimaeus
This makes me happy

>>53632704
The really preachy environmentalism killed it, and I say this as someone who generally supports environmental causes

>>53632742
I wanna play a bartemius game, but I don't know how to do it

>>53632742
Bartimaeus, Old Kingdom and the Edge Chronicles are the holy trinity of /tg/ YA novels

>>53629106
Thanks, i forgot those books ever existed.

>>53632763
It won't do it justice.

Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened

>>53632600
>I WILL BECOME THIS CHILD'S MINDSLAVE FOR LIFE AND DO WHATEVER SHE DESIRES ME TO DO
Said the creepy werewolf.

>>53632748
It was physically painful at the end of the last book. The general heavy handedness felt like a feather compared to the epilogue, which was like being hit by a ship full of anvils.
At least the Extinctionists had that Dick Dastardly absurdity that made them unintentionally hilarious.

>>53632482
While there is A LOT of justified criticism you can pile on Paolini, this site isn't the best example. The article you posted is fine, but some of the rest are just blatant disagreements with how the details of the world should have worked out (like in the "Inconsistencies" page and "Character Development") or just the result of unscrupulous reading. Don't get me wrong, the books are drivel and badly written, but this site actually discredits the critics who wrote it.

>>53632600
It is not a series that survives any sort of thinking about.

>>53632680
Holly is 10/10 waifu material.

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>>53632861
Go to bed, Artemis.

>>53629031
10/10 magic system, 7/10 setting, 4.5/10 writing.

>>53632891
No.

Honestly though, I very fond of the first few AF books, especially the first one. I can still vividly remember parts of it to an extent I can't really do with most other books I read at that age.
Like the opening in Ho Chi Minh City. Or the pressure elevators. Or Butler fighting that Troll. Or the blue rinse. I could go on.

I don't know why I remember so much of it, I just do.

>>53633115
It was stylish. The early AF books had an element of effortless style

>>53629031
Its very obviously written by a child. His opinions and change as he writes them and it shows and its annoying as fuck. Has potential, but not consistent enough.

>>53629788
Oh god I'll take retarded atheist/vegan elves over 90 some pages of badly written BDSM fuel any day! Ugh and at least Eragon gets his shit pushed in by his betters, Richard is the biggest fucking Mary Sue of all time.

>>53632843
True, but I wasn’t posting it for the site, I was posting it for the article.

>>53632600
>Oh, everything makes perfect sense now! I wasn't in love with you, I was in love with your unborn demon child!

>>53630915
in my opinion that is one of he qualities that make it a good setting.

>>53632680
I only ever read the first chapter of the first book. I decided that the main character was too obnoxious and put thr book back on the middle school library shelf and moved on to see if I could fibd something else. If memory serves, next I saw a copy of A Song of Ice and Fire, and rejected it outright after reading the summary on the inside of the book jacket.

>>53633573
But didn't you desire to learn more of the tax policies of the nations contained with that mature example of grim low-fantasy storytelling?

>>53633573
I read SoIaF because it's like horse racing, also GRRM being a old pervert.

>>53629106
I know everyone has already said this but you are muh nigga man. Johnthan Stroud is GOAT

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>>53633643
>tfw reading GRRMs old short stories
>One of them is of a guy giving up real life women to instead fuck corpses
>Another is of a girl getting stalked by a pear shaped man and eventually having their minds switched
>All that nasty sex between ugly guys and hot girls
Apparently GRRM wrote a lot of stories after breakups.

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>>53629031
Some of the worst Elf dicksucking I've ever seen in a work of fiction. Reading the second book especially you can just see how much the whole race exists just to be Chris's ideal self insert fantasy.
Even the main character starts to become one as he matures. There's even a whole preachy scene dedicated to him becoming an atheist vegetarian while living with the elves to show how euphoric and enlightened he's become.
Then they go and have a fucking furry forest rave or some shit.

>>53633939
Is Eragon why /tg/ hates elves so much?

>>53631914
You know what must be done
Dragon
Ball

>>53633573
>>53633605
Your next line is going to be: I really like Robet Jordans's works.

>>53633939
During which he gets friend zoned hard by an elf chick because he's 17 and she's like 400. Him bemoaning the dryness of his cock becomes a recurring theme throughout the series, despite the fact that he's the last fucking Dragon Rider, described as pretty hot, and could almost literally bang any human maid in the land if even so much as looked at them. But no, he wants the haughty elf bitch that wouldn't fuck him if he was the only other living thing in Alagaësia.

>>53633250
>>53633939

Why are you all so triggered by atheist elves?

>>53634104
The first 4 Wheel of Time books where okay, but it just got steadily worss until the books descended into complete trash that isn't worth anyone's time.

>>53634088
I'm pretty sure that's a warcrime.

>>53634056
Quite possibly. Although I've never really hated Elves all that much when they're handled with restraint. The problem is that too many writers love making them into a literally perfect faultless race of mary-sues

>>53633939
They're the setting's equivalent of the japanese written by a weeb, of course they're going to be holier-than-thou presumptuous dicks

>>53632600
>>53632806
>>53633330
Why do people think this is weird?
It's basically the purest form of love
>I was in love with you before I even knew you existed
I guess for normalfags who think anything that has to do with relationships must be "realistic" no matter how fantastical the story it takes place in it's ewww creepy

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>>53629031
Book 1 is passable. Everything after that goes straight to Derptown.

>>53634146
>the first 4 were okay

I want you to re-read the Eye of the World and tell me once again it's ok. Not well written or original, even. Because that would be impossible to argue. Just say it's ok, from the bottom of your heart.

>>53634141
its not so much that they're vegans as that the author just so happens to hold all of the same political and social views as the ubermench of the setting. The whole race of elves is comprised of immortal Christopher paolini clones.

>>53629031
What are you talking about?

But from the quote presented: poorly written?

>>53634254
I wasn't asking about veganism, I was asking about atheism. Veganism is retarded from a biological standpoint. You only dislike atheism because you are all WASPs and reading something like that triggered your young mind. Prove me wrong. And not with a fedora tipping picture.

>>53634254
>immortal
ageless

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>>53634232
I actually really liked the Wheel of Time, but even I can't say Eye of the World is okay. RJ didn't hit his stride til Book 3, and it shows in how fucking hard WoT is to get into because you have to slog through two dense, unimpressive books before it starts to get good.

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>>53634202
Do you think Stephanie Meyer would be happy knowing the only people who liked Jacob/Renesme are pedophiles?

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>>53629436
>Ugh.

>>53629677
It is somehow unsurprising that Paolini doesn't understand copyright law.

But bravo to someone for calling him out on the laughable hypocrisy on display.

He strikes me as the type who reads all of the fanfiction but won't admit it.

>>53634330
>If you love someone from pre-birth they are pedophiles
Did you completely forget that children grow into adults or something? And there is no indication that as soon as it starts bleeding werewolf guy will also stop loving her?

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>>53632680
Never finished the first book. This nets it my genuine 1/5 rating (or 1/10 if you prefer).

There are two things good writing must do: hook the reader and tell a good story. Whilst doing so you can also: introduce new plot threads, do character development (even in shorthand), and pretty much anything else.

Artemis Fowl instead tries to foist all of the worldbuilding, all of the character development, and even some of the story on us all in one giant information vomit. I had been intrigued when someone said it was "like Star Wars," but disgusted to find out they meant "sloppily done with a huge information dump up front."

That sort of thing is forgivable in cinema, but a high crime in literary fiction, even of the YA variety.

I think Gaiman said it like this: Show me, don't tell me. (but do have notes!)

>>53630341
>Masaka!?!
Kansei Dorifto?

>>53634202
He was literally brainwashed into it, that's whats weird. He gets his entire personality reworked just by seeing the demon babby, and the text makes it clear that's precisely what's happening.
Speaking of, the demon babby now has a hyper strong killing machine at her beck and call that literally can't say no to her, and she demonstrated all the maturity of the baby she physically resembles.
Remember, she was supposed to have the mind of an adult, and she still acts like an absolute Brat.

Breaking Dawn is a masterpeice of horror, even if Meyer didn't realise it

I thoroughly enjoyed the Inheritance Cycle and I have fond memories of reading it through middle and high school.

I actually really want to write and run a DnD campaign based on dragon riders returning to Alegaesia after several generations of training and rebuilding under Eragon and the school he establishes

>>53634470
Don't use D&D for that. I like the system and all, but the way it handles magic is incompatible with that setting.

>>53630770
maybe, doesn't mean it's not great

>>53634557
Nah dude just homebrew some stuff in Pathfinder, it'll be fine.

>>53634667
The Kingkiller's Chronicle Magic is great. Too bad the rest of that book is masturbatory shit (somewhat nullified by the fact that it's told as kind of a sailor's story).

>>53634718
Oh boy is it time to talk about Rothfus again?

>It all began when Pat Rothfuss was born to a marvelous set of parents. Throughout his formative years they encouraged him to do his best, gave him good advice, and were no doubt appropriately dismayed when he failed to live up to his full potential.

>In high-school Pat was something of a class clown. His hobbies included reading a novel or two a day and giving relationship advice to all his friends despite the fact that he had never so much as kissed a girl. He also role-played and wrote terrible stories about elves. He was pretty much a geek.

>Most of Pat's adult life has been spent in the University Wisconsin Stevens Point. In 1991 he started college in order to pursue a career in chemical engineering, then he considered clinical psychology. In 1993 he quit pretending he knew what he wanted to do with his life, changed his major to "undecided," and proceeded to study whatever amused him. He also began writing a book....

>For the next seven years Pat studied anthropology, philosophy, eastern religions, history, alchemy, parapsychology, literature, and writing. He studied six different martial arts, practiced improv comedy, learned how to pick locks, and became a skilled lover of women. He also began writing a satirical advice column which he continues to this day: The College Survivial Guide. Through all of this he continued to work on his novel.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/108424.Patrick_Rothfuss

>>53632027
It definitely changes from the first book. I'll do a quick summary of the other four:

Book Two: Brother fucks up and releases a demon, the bigger forces at work are revealed (Good-aligned order of knights and Evil-aligned secret society), and characters become built up
Book Three: The Secret Society sends a plague on Fablehaven to try and force out an ancient artifact, the children gain more powers, battles rage and fantasy Theodore Roosevelt gets involved. Probably the best book of the series, because it's in the sweet spot of episodic adventures and overarching plot adventures.
Book Four: The Good aligned order starts kicking it into high gear to try and stop the secret society, try and grab the artifacts of other magiclife preserves, dragons and wizards start getting involved, twists happen.
Book Five: Both groups go head to head as the Secret Society's bid for power is close to finishing, the kids try and track down the last line of defense while all the major players throw down the gauntlet.

They got pretty good, all things considered.

>>53634718
>(somewhat nullified by the fact that it's told as kind of a sailor's story).
Honestly, it makes it worse.
Usually, an unreliable narrator gets employed in a manner where he subtly reveals which parts are misleading, intentionally or not.
Kvothe never does any of that. It's just left up to the reader to decide how much it's him or Rothfuss masturbating in their face

>>53634817
>Cringe: the biography of the man who wrote Cringe: the mary sue

>>53634863
Exactly why I hate the books, and it makes me triple as mad when someone defends them with 'unreliable narrator'

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>>53629106
>Bartimeus

God I wish there was more fanfiction of that. 3 books is not nearly enough snarky Djinni.

>>53635083
There's a prequel

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>>53634120
To be fair, would you want to fuck Eragon? I wouldn't.

>>53635227
Apparently he's really pretty after his elf-ificiation. Go figure.

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>>53634817
I liked the first book, even if I started hating Kvothe's bum by the end of the first one, haven't bothered getting the second book yet.

>>53635262
Prettier than any man, still uglier than the average elf or some such bullshit.

>>53634296
Self-insert atheist elves in a setting with blatant magic and god-like entities are pretty obnoxious. If I recall correctly, the dwarves had an actual tangible deity that blessed new kings or something.

>>53634817
No, it's time to talk about his magic system and the features of his writing.

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>>53629106
Great taste

>>53634470
That legitimately sounds like the premise of a freeform forum game. Please don't ever run that.

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>>53632198
> mfw I read that

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What does /tg/ think of the Redwall series?

>>53629106
My nigga

>>53634120
I find it quite hilarious that Eragon is literally cucked throughout the whole series: he's never doing things because he wants to, but because someone else presses him into doing them. He fights for someone else's cause, and never gets to bang the chick. Honestly the only decent thing he gets out of all that is Sapphira who is actually pretty chill.

>>53631607
Get them on board, I'll call it in

>>53635631
Top series, written for kids, still enjoyable by adults

>>53632198
>>53635618
That's not even counting the scene almost directly lifted from Walden of all things.

>>53635770
do tell

>>53635631
Back when /pol/ was subtle and could write.

But no, seriously, Redwall was pretty good. A bit irritatingly /pol/ about the "vermin" not being redeemable, and the prose turned right violet during the feasts, but otherwise quite good

When I was like 8 Matthias journeying through the rafters to get to the roof was fucking badass mission impossible shit.

>>53635830
It also continues the disgusting nonsense in popular media of Rats = Bad while Mice = Good.

Mice are dumb little shits, you should be cheering when the cat is trying to eat them, its the whole reason we domesticated cats in the first place!
Rats are actually smarter and more loving creatures than mice, make much better pets.

>>53635858
this poster is actually a rat

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>>53635858
Hi, Thauqol.

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>>53632891
>Not editing it into "You...You hit me, N-not even my own father hit me!"

>>53635858
WTF I love rats now

>>53635858
t. horned rat

>>53635858
t. skaven

>>53635805
Well when Eragon goes to the Dagoba Syste- I mean the elven forest of Du Weldvenvarden and meets his new instructor Yod- I mean Oromis, he gets lessons on swordsmanship, magic, and philosophy. One of the exercises Oromis puts him through is telling him to meditate on a stump in the middle of the woods and "listen to the forest" with telepathy until he's "seen all there is to see". Eragon goes through this a couple times, but the first time he focuses in on two rival ant colonies having a battle and observes it telepathically. He compares them to the greatest warriors of all time and notes that if they were human, bards would sing of that glorious battle for generations. Then he stands up and checks out the battle with his eyes and sees pretty much nothing anyone would think of as important and reports his findings to Oromis. Oromis is disappointed in Eragon because while his observations are fascinating, he focused on one thing instead of everything around him at once.

This is pretty much exactly what Thoreau writes about in chapter 12 of Walden, except he uses his eyes to watch the whole thing instead of magic telepathy and is doing the meditations on nature out of pure interest rather than an assignment from a mentor. Plus that actually happened in real life since Walden is just an account of his time spent in a real place.

>>53636322
thanks.

So basically Eragon is made of scenes from other works slapped together on the framwork of the Heros Journey plot with no originality.

>>53635348
>the dwarves had an actual tangible deity
Just because the dwarves have something tangible they claim is a deity doesn't mean it actually is.

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>>53635858
Have a cookie, Rat-chan.

>>53629031
I loved it as a kid but as an adult I'm indifferent towards it. I recognize its faults but I am reminded of how I enjoyed it as a kid.

>>53637253
Pretty much.

The usual claim that it is a fantasy rehash of Star Wars with EarthSea magic is not accurate. Those are only the most obvious thefts, and everytime there is a thread about the books someone will point out how this or that was lifted from another series.

It's not the case of reading widely then distilling those influences to give your own spin on the genre. Inheritance is a Frankenstein's Monster where all the bodyparts have been surgically removed from better books then grafted wholesale onto the hulking abomination of a series that only awaits the lightning strike of self-publishing to lurch off the slab.

>>53630769
por que?

The real question though, is it as unoriginal and badly written as Potter?

>>53638409
You mean the Dullest Franchise?
No!

>>53629106
My fellow kinsman of simian descent!

Seriously, where´s the fucking R34 of this shit? I need, NEEEEEDDD R34 of Barty as succubus, trying to seduce Nat, or some similar shit. Fanart fucking when?

>>53638409
I've never read Harry potter beyond the first five pages but I've read all of the Inheritance trilogy and can say that all I could think about was how similar a lot of the scenes were to Star Wars

>>53629031
It's so bad that if it was based upon FATAL it wouldn't be much worse.

>>53632600
Only the last one was worth watching for the unintentional hilarity. The rest were just bad.

Hell, the 50 Shades movies were better and they started as a Twilight fanfic.

>>53638799

I was on a plane that had Twilight 4 on the in-flight entertainment, ended up watching some of it over someone's shoulder. There was this passably badass fight scene -- great takedowns, merciless body count like GRRM was writing, sufficiently brutal. I remember thinking, "Hm. That's no so bad; maybe I should give the movies a go."

Then the whole entire fifteen minute shebang was massively retconned as having only happened in this guy's head as he read the threads of fate to see the outcome of what WOULD happen if they squared off. Potential? Squandered. Fuck everything about that franchise.

>>53638876
Twatlight is only worth reading if you're a bored housewife or enjoy reading terrible fiction to see how horrible things get.

>>53638876
Twilight is on par with Sword of Truth as This is how you don't do it material.

Believe it or not, the book is even worse. There is no fight, just a scene to wank off Bella.

>>53638799
>Hell, the 50 Shades movies were better and they started as a Twilight fanfic.
Wasn't Twilight a fanfic itself? Oh my fuck what is wrong with American women?

>>53638714
I wouldn't call it that bad. It's just trashy fiction that a 14 year old might think is cool.

>>53639125
>Sword of Truth

Abortion of a TV show, or the real horror that is the books?

>>53639206
They're bored as fuck, let them have their fantasies.

>>53638313
That's a fantastic metaphor.

>>53639422
The tv show at least pulled the fetishbait off properly

Sick, but true, and I am sorry to ruin this book for y'all, but Chris really wrote what he knew and it was weird feelings about his mother and his sister because it was the only poonani he ever saw and he was 15-18 and still lives at home probably to this day. Firnen and Brom are his dad characters, aka Kenneth. Arya is his sister aka Angela and Safira I and II are his mom, Talita. Murtagh is Chris' fantasy alter life where he is normal and has a 'big sword' like daddy. Some funky shit went down in Paradise Valley. I feel sorry for him more than anything. Also, poor Chris realizes his dad was a cuck by Iormúngr. Good luck Chris, at least you have money.

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>>53640114

See, that's what gets me. Everybody bitches about how he stole from Star Wars, but no one ever wants to comment on how the dude has some really obvious, and probably relatively serious mental issues.

That goes for a lot of the awful books that gets posted in threads like this. Normal people don't write stuff like Twilight or Eragon on a whim. You either need to be mentally ill or a ghostwriter for a corporation that churns out niche fetish books to produce that special kind of shit.

>>53629106
What about Keys of the Kingdom?

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>>53640541

The first three were great, and the last 4 were meh, except for the ending, which was at least somewhat creative. I think the series just goes on too long without changing the "feel" of the series.

I always preferred the Abhorsen books myself, though I haven't read anything past the third one.

Shades Children was OK, but had a disappointing ending, and would have worked much better as two books.

Ragwitch is one of his more creative books, but it's written for a younger audience, which is the opposite direction it should have taken.

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So why didn't the empire just encircle the rebel army? You could tell me that "They didn't know where they were going." But they were basically going in a straight line, there's no way someone competent wouldn't pick up on their "Go place and fight battle" stratagem.

>>53629106
The Belgariad was my favorite growing up.

>>53640114
>>53640316
I didn't get that vibe at all, it's just a derivative fantasy series that isn't that great. No need to heap weird mental illness and incest accusations on the author for writing a somewhat bad book series.

Besides, Chris actually wrote 4 novels. That's more than the average fa/tg/uy can say, including myself.

>>53629031
HE NEVER FUCKS THE ELF

EVEN WHEN HE GETS HIGH WITH THE ELF THERE IS NO ELF FUCKING

JESUS CHRIST TORTIGLIONI WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST LET HIM FUCK THE ELF

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>>53640987

In any kind of a realistic scenario, the Empire crushes the rebel army. They outclass the combined rebel front in literally everyday imaginable.

That, combined with the fact that there were absolutely no counter rebels, let alone a organized continuation of the war after the death of Sauron by his Generals/advisors/whoever shows that the rebels won only because rebels win in these kinds of stories.

Don't even get me started on the political issues of some nigger woman Che Guevara becoming empress of mankind.

>>53641122

Wow man, he hunkered down over a plate and served us 4 (HOLY FUCKING SHIT 4) indigestible turds. I mean, I'm just absolutely blown away by this dude's ability to churn out absolute shit. As a fa/tg/uy my self, I know that I'll never be able to do anything as amazing as having my mom publish my incest centric starwars fanfiction.

>>53634385
>Did you completely forget that children grow into adults or something?
Did you miss the idea that someone catering explicitly to a child with the intention of ultimately fucking them is child grooming pederasty? Because iunno, man, you can't use the lolita defense of "she's into it."

What does /tg/ think of animorphs?

>>53629031
Shit book that had the perfect timing (young generation unfamiliar with the things it was ripping off) together with the perfect life background for CP (parents owning a publishing company) to achieve success despite its flaws.

>>53641259
How is it incestuous? Arya isn't revealed to be Eragon's sister or anything.

>>53641212
BUH MUH PURE WAIFU

>>53634817
Man, I've been starting Name of the Wind as recommended by my brother. After his rec of Mistborn he was already on thin ice since that book is a tragedy of lost potential and shit execution. I've been enjoying NotW purely from the storytelling framework. The worldbuilding is about on par for boring fantasy works but there's a couple interesting bits. However just based on the bit I've read, Kvothe seems like kind of an obnoxious unbeatable autist. That's not gonna get any better, is it?

Nothing will beat Kvothe going "no, it doesn't matter that she fucked a billion men, she only ever loved me"

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>>53641321

Incredible idea, and when it was good it was good.

On the other hand, they published ~13 books a year for it, and you just can't put that much material out that fast without it's quality suffering.

I'd give it a too many books/10

>>53641359

The major female characters, including his love interests and his reptilian soulmate, are literally supposed to represent his mother and sister. He's been fairly upfront about this in his various interviews.

On the other hand, you do have a point that he doesn't take it too far in the books themselves, so if you haven't read any of his IRL stuff it's going to slip under the radar.

>>53641461
He's a harem LN protag written by a guy with a complete lack of self-awareness, book 1 was aight, book 2 was just no.

>>53641259
>let alone a organized continuation of the war after the death of Sauron

LOTR is deliberately styled to be a sort of modern day mythology, anon. It's not intended to be a realistic war story, even if Tolkien channels some of his WW1 experience into the battle scenes.

>>53641510
>The major female characters, including his love interests and his reptilian soulmate, are literally supposed to represent his mother and sister. He's been fairly upfront about this in his various interviews.

What the fug?

>>53639422
I remember the tv show having big titties so it could have been worse

>>53634056
Personally I think all the Elf hate on /tg/ is projection. Elves are suppose to be superior to normal people or humans in every way. I think that the reason why you see so many Elves deserve rape images here is that they're a bunch of people with inferiority issues. It's like how people on /r9k/ always post hate towards chads or /pol/tards with different nationalities but with a different group of people who are even more sad since they do it with a group of fantasy people. There are some very depraved and degenerate people on /tg/ who come with hobbies like tabletop role playing.

>>53641461
It gets worse so if you don't like the storybuilding enough, I'd drop it. For me it's perfectly digestible because I like the lore, how magic works, and other pieces of worldbuilding.

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>>53639947

An improvement, then. Even the fetishbait that ticked my boxes, I couldn't help but read those passages with the mental image of this creepy motherfucker one-hand typing while he narcissistically beats off to his own creation.

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>>53641563

Or, and just consider this for a second, perhaps I already knew one of the most basic facts about the LOTR, and was attempting to make a joke (as shitty as it is) about how potatolini attempted use the same kind of "ending" as Tolkien did, but failed to do so because he was a shit writer.

But hey, you managed to "correct" someone on the internet by taking, at face value, the most literal interpretation of their comment and regurgitating what you read on TvTropes.

Go get some trendies, buddy. You've earned them.

>>53641805
I didn't know what he looked like before today. And now I do I am horrified. I mean for the love of all unholy fuck how does one man give off that much of an aura of sheer creepiness.

>>53629106
>Bartimaeus
Hell yeah

>>53630753
I was mostly disapppointed we didn't learn more about the Undertake dude.

>>53634469
OK, I have never and will never read it, but this paragraph alone has made me more curious about it than I ever thought possible. Explain?

>>53641668
I like the storyweaving and certain moments are kinda nice, it just feels paradoxically hand-holdy over "ok so these are the big plot things" while everything else is oh so vague. I understand not writing details that aren't necessary for the story but when a fantasy book drops about five new names or words in a paragraph without any explanation I get apathetic.

>>53629333
>>As it is, the first one is a solid 7/10 insomnia cure
Eh, I'd say its entertaining enough in an entirely mediocre kind of way, provided you don't mind the occasional stupid shit like the how fights are described.

>>53629106
this

>>53629106
The first 2 Artemis Fowl books are bretty good too.

Why did everyone inthe movie have black teeth? It was distracting as hell.

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there was a time when I enjoyed the sword of truth novels and looked forward to seeing how they would end

I'd rather read the Shannara books any day though.

>>53632680
First 3 were top tier.

4th was pretty good.

5th was ok. I liked the demons. I haven't read any past 5.

>>53642094
Twilight lore werewolves aren't actually werewolves, but shapeshifters who take a wolf form due to a backstory of a tribe chief who soulsurfed into a wolf to fight one of the Cold Ones (a vampire attacking the tribe). After, the chief shifted back to human form without needing to surf and ever since, that tribe has had people turn into shifters depending on the apparent need. What with a vampire family just across the way, there's been several shifters this generation. This shifterism is also apparently genetic and results in a 24th pair of chromosomes. Book 4 is retarded.

These shifters have an affectation wherein, for breeding sake or something else, they can unconsciously identify their perfect mate in what is coined as "imprinting." Just seeing them completely rewires their brain and personality to be suited to whatever their prospective mate needs. Nothing else in the world matters anymore, only them.

Jacob, resident romantic triangle-er, childhood friend of MarySue Bella, is a wolfshifter who is super duper in love with her and fights Edward over her and causes no shortage of grief, even when Bella becomes preggers with Edward's kid, which most people would think is functionally impossible because vampires have 25 chromosomes pairs(Book 4 is dumb). Jacob protects and helps her up until the child's birth (C-section via Edward's teeth). Jacob takes one look at the new baby, Renesmee, and imprints on her.

Renesmee has an eerie dhampir ability to send emotional/memory messages by touch, and is incredibly mature for her age of baby. After a few months she's the size of a 6yearold and clever. Jacob is devoted to her and it's stated that she's well aware of the hold she has on him and enjoys it, and that Jacob will be the guardian, friend, whatever she needs, even when the time comes, a lover.

Which, according to another dhampir, will be at age seven where she will be physically 17 and that physical age permanently. Book 4 is dumb.

>>53642279
That is some magical realm if ever I saw one.

>>53642279
>Book 4 is retarded

You say that like the other books aren't equally as retarded.

>>53641834
>trendies

Is this what the cool kids get? Mommy giving them the latest shoe fashions and iPhones?

>>53642349
Honestly the Jacob section of Breaking Dawn is the best part because we finally see Bella from another perspective even if it's just as masturbatory. BD has my favorite endline of a chapter, that being "And then Bella vomited a fountain of blood."

He describes every other thing in the world that mattered to him as dangling on a string that immediately drops the second he sees the baby, and then all the lines of his life are drawn to her. It's incredibly unsettling since it's painted to be a good thing ultimately.

>>53642376
BD is worse because they take what might be passable werewolf lore and try and pretend there's science involved at all. Breaking Dawn involved a big buildup to a fight that doesn't happen, Bella discovering at just the right moment she has absolute control over her power, and poor fucking Charlie having to come to terms that his daughter is beyond saving.

>>53642267
Wouldn't bother, it's just another Opal Koboi scheme of the week, with a side of more heavy handed enviromental preaching.
Only remarkable thing is more hinting of Artemis and Holly becoming an item.

>>53642435
There was some mention of actual werewolves by the Volturi I think, I remember some character mentioning how these were different than the ones back in somewhere-i-can't-remember.

>>53642511
Yeah your right. Real werewolves were a lot stronger than the Indian kind and are apparently extinct or close too it

>>53641510
Arya and Angela are two separate characters.

>>53642279
Wow.
>>53642435
>It's incredibly unsettling since it's painted to be a good thing ultimately.
What.
>...and poor fucking Charlie having to come to terms that his daughter is beyond saving.
Charlie's the Dad, right? I think I've heard he's supposed to be the single best character in the series, or am I confused?

>>53642942
Can't comment for book 2 cos there's only so much teenage angst, depression and not quite suicides to hallucinate I can stand.
However most of the time he's portrayed fairly well in his role as a dad who's trying to get along with a daughter he doesn't know we'll. He's awkward and concerned and arguably should be cos his daughter is bat shit fucking insane

>>53635858
>now please enjoy this ship filled with 100% plague free goods :)

>>53629536
>>53629788
Hate Eragon but would much rather read it over Sword of BDSM or Wheel of Time

>>53641212
>Tortiglioni

Have my sides anon, for I have no need of them anymore.

>>53632769
Edge chronicles was the reason I started reading.

First novel was alright, but even as a kid I found myself mostly reading the sequels because Roran was an infinitely more interesting and likable character.

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>>53629106

Did somebody say patrician YA series?

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>>53643866
Id completely forgotten about this, Thanks dude.

>>53643866
This shit right here is the best thing mentioned in the thread so far. If you only count the ones I've personally read, at least. Holy fuck is it a good setting.

>>53642942
Yeah. The movies make it worse because you can actually see in his face the moment he gives up.
>"Charlie, this is uhh...Esme's niece, Renesmee."
>my daughter looks like one of them
>this baby looks like theirs
>all this weird shit
>"she's adorable."

Fucking kills me.

What kind of fucking name is Renesmee?

>>53644232
Portmanteau of Edward's mom, Esme, and Bella's mom, Renee. Renesmee.

Really stupid, yes. Did you know Meyer was Mormon?

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>>53629106
What about Mortal Engines?

Is there any story where the protagonist actually lays the dragon? Especially where the dragon isn't the primary love interest and it's supposed to be a plot twist?
Can't wait for literature to hop on the monstergirl train

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>>53629106
Coincidentally enough I just bought and re-read all three books like a month ago on my kindle

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If anons are looking for a cool ass YA novel with a fleshed out world I heavily recommend pic.

>>53643866
Those illustrations were cool as fuck as a kid. The big rock ships were always really cool as well. Also, I remember really liking the illustration of the sports match in the Quint(?) books, and his cute little pet ball of muscle (whatever they were called).

Man, I need to read those again.

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>>53644360
>spoiler
You can probably get Chuck Tingle to do something like that

>>53644628
>It's all homo smut
What a shame

>>53632124
That was fucking beautiful. Well played, anon.

>>53635830
Brian Jacques made a cookbook later and explained that he hated when stories about adventures would just say "And they ate the king's lavish feast" and not go into detail. So he decided that he'd make his food as detailed as possible.

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>>53644628
>Reamed By My Reaction To The Title Of This Book
10/10

>thread about YA fiction
>ctrl+f His Dark Materials
>0 results
For better or worse, I have concerns.

>>53644628
>some of these titles written within mere days of each other

how does he do it

>>53644571
This is the one with the light magic right? I remember it had like really cool monster chess or something

>>53644628
So is this a joke he just takes to the very edge of space and time or what?

>>53634232
Not him, but I have literally read hundreds of fantasy books and rank Jordan in my top 20 authors, EotW included. I like drivel. I like dry descriptions. Jordan excels at these.

>>53644774
I would get all
>tips fedora
about them, but armored polar bears and Slavic witches are honestly my jam.

>>53644628
is it bad that I have an urge to read some of this shit just to see what in the actual fuck is going on? How the fuck is this nigger having gay sex with abstract concepts?

>>53644884
>Slavic
You mean Finnish, right?

>>53644928
>Finnish
You mean Mongolian, right?

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>>53642502
>Only remarkable thing is more hinting of Artemis and Holly becoming an item.

It's not even hints. Pic related was basically my reaction to the entire last one. It was barely hidden lust.

>>53644186
>That split second of acting should literally go down as being oscar-worthy simply because of that explanation.

>>53629031
liked it as a kid
released that it isn't that great when I grow up
is still my guilty pleasure (I like dragons)

>>53629031
I directly blame it for my dragon fetish.

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>>53644628
>Pounded in the Butt by My Book, "Pounded In the Butt By My Book 'Pounded In the Butt By My Own Butt'"

This makes Inception seem shallow.

>>53644360
Not many people write about bestiality my dude.

>>53640896
I loved the Old Kingdom trilogy, but I could never get over how fucking bad an idea Astarael is - as in, holy shit why does anyone ever carry that stupid fucking thing?

>>53645028
>he doesn't know about furries

>>53645044
I'm talking legit publishers here. Also even most furries are weird anthro stuff instead of straight animal fucking.

>>53644254
Mortal Engines is my top pick. Or anything by Philip Reeve, really.

>>53645022
That one ends with the characters realizing that they're all in the book as characters and that their story will end soon brides consciously deciding to have the author make them enjoy eternal bliss within the end. It's fucking weird.

>>53643866
How many books did that end up having? What happened to that Satan thing at the end of the world?

>>53645203

18 books and still going, apparently.

>>53645225
Holy fuck. I remember loving what i read of it when I was a kid.

>>53629059

well said

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It may just be fond recollection, but this series was like the goddamn coolest.

Well we're on the subject of obscure fantasy novels, did anyone else ever read Eli monpress?

>>53630742
Jamais, vil chacal !

>>53629031
This guy is like 20 and he looks like Mark Ruffalo

>>53643088
Am I a bad person for unironically liking WoT?

I did skip some multi-page descriptions of hills though

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>>53629106
This guy!

>>53644254
Mortal Engines is a fucking god-tier series.

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>>53635858
>mfw I was about to say anon wrote The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents.

God damnit.

>>53629031
It's crap.

>>53639422
What's sword of truth about? Is that that one TV show I rember seeing a half scene of with some lady chained up and they pressed some rod against her that made her hurt?

>>53645477
>my taste is different am I wrong

I swear this is the reason for 80% of arguments on this subforum, possibly 4chan in general.

>>53645823
>subforum
Get out, newfag.

>>53645039
Given what happens to people that lose fights against necromancers and the greater dead, I'd say it's a pretty good hell to have

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>>53644628
>Turned Gay By The Existential Dread That I May Actually Be A Character In A Chuck Tingle Book

>>53644628
https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.03557

>>53645434
Is that the one with the dickass thief constantly screwing around with the elemental Pokemon mage?

>>53646137
This is beyond perfect and hilarious, fuck

>>53645791
It's an Objectivist fantasy series about a guy with a sword which will only kill people if the wielded is fully convinced that they are evil.

>>53646222
Yeah. Also featuring fighter man with a sword so powerful he can kill anything with it and demon lady who eats spirits.

>>53629106
This

It's been so long but I remember the last scene all too well.

Big introduction to more in-depth fantasy settings when I was younger

>>53645791
It starts out reasonably innocuous, but quickly devolves into an attempt at forcing a particular political view on the player.
This political view also happens to be fucking bananas, and is essentially chaotic evil codified into a socio-ideological framework and re-branded as "good because reasons" with some pretty extreme mental acrobatics.
Altruism (even to save a life) is evil, and other good stuff like that.

Note that the writer genuinely tries to convince the reader of this, and essentially railroads everything that happens to fit that end. Strawman after strawman is erected in a vainglorious attempt at illuminating the reader.

>>53646550
And by player, I mean reader. Sleep deprivation.

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>>53644628
I

>>53646550
>tfw i remember the fucking statue bullshit

>>53646550
It always makes me laugh when I see apologists for this series.
They always claim the hideous shit Richard does was necessary or justified, ignoring that it was specifically written so the protagonist could get away with anything, as opposed to an natural moral dilemma.

>>53644628
Truly a gift from God.

>>53644360
This is highly relevant to my interests for... research purposes.

Nah, who am I kidding, I just want to tap dat piece of scaly ass.

>>53645434
holy shit. I found the first book for that like 2 days ago while looking through a used bookstore. It wasn't incredible but it entertained. Eli was enough of a cunt to make me laugh so it was worth the 2.50$

>>53645434
>>53647006
iirc, the author has a new series starring the dragon equivalent of /r9k/

>>53646550
>Altruism (even to save a life) is evil
That's also, at best, a corruption of Objectivist philosophy. What Rand said was that altruism, as defined by Comte was evil as it was complete self-negligence and thus self-destructive. (Rand also wasn't alone in this criticism. John Stuart Mill also thought it was batshit crazy.)

She explicitly said that she didn't think there was any evil everyday charity, as long as the people who do it, do it because they want to do it, and as long as they realize that it isn't the altruistic nature of the act that makes them a good people, but that they act in accordance with their own desires.

>>53646126
Much rather get thrown beyond the ninth gate than deal with being the eternal slave of a necromancer or food for some greater dead monstrosity.

Though considering what happens to Chlorr of the mask, Astarael can be a bit of a mercy too.

>>53635858
Rats of NIMH?

>>53634841
Hmm. Maybe I'll give it a second try if I see it second hand somewhere.

>>53634141
Race of euphoric 16-year old inserts. The views do not matter. I quit after that book.

>>53641212
He does not?

MY FUCKING SIDES!

book improved in my eyes, that stupid euphoric idiot never deserved happines

>>53644936
That's what he said.

>>53634088
Can't do that friend, that's a nuclear option. It's the one you use as a threat when your friends want to drag you to a shitty movie you -really- don't want to see.

Dragonball Evolution is the mutually assured destruction of shitty movies.

>>53641212
Well, at least his dragon gets to /ss/ a wyrmling

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>Tfw working on a YA book right now
>Tfw will probably never be as successful as the Inheritance series

I actually used to love the books, but as I grew older I started to realize what was wrong with it.Even as a kid though, I was waiting for when the elves might be humbled a bit, so they'd tone down the smug assholery a little. It never happened, and even young me was disappointed.

>>53649447
They just kept getting more and more annoying, I've read shitty Jap web fiction where elves had more personality.