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>>53627229
>spirit of EDH

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Mono color rules. Eat shit multi-color!

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>>53627229
>spirit of edh

>>53627316
Two color a best. Any more and it becomes cancerous, any less and you have a lot of issues dealing with problem permanents if you aren't blue/green.

>>53627316
Absence of color > color

>>53627380
>Implying anus is the best anything

Go away, homofag

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>>53627316
Squee control. Monored is the best.

Speaking of the 'Spirit of EDH', lets violate it completely.

What are the best color hosing cards?

How much land destruction can YOU fit in a deck?

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White and Red are horribly under-represented in my decks, so I'm going to build a Boros deck. Kalemne Giant Tribal or Depala Vehicles?

>>53627492
I really wish the dwarf lord and the vehicle lord were desperate cards.

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>>53627498
Well, some dwarves also make for good pilots.

>>53627456
squee as your commander? would he ever even reach the graveyard or your hand?

>>53627524
That is the stupidest looking Dwarf art I've ever seen.

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>>53627524
So do some merfolk, I found.

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>>53627573
Oh, I know. I've already looked up who makes for good pilots.

>>53627581
But that's what kills me. Tons of cool things make a good vehicle deck, but its just tacked onto a dwarf commander.

>>53627547
Yeah, constantly. I mean he's not a competitive commander but you can use him to grind out card advantage over a longer game. You just run a ton of board wipes and looting effects. Skullclamp is pretty good with him, too.

I've definitely used Command Beacon just to immediately discard him to Daretti. It's like drawing an extra card every turn if you get it going.

>>53627601
Depala is a great commander for a terrible tribe. Reminds me of the new Minotaur dude.

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>>53627478
I just added Boil and Magnetic Mountain to my deck just to fuck with Azami and Derevi players in my meta.

>>53627633
Fuck yeah, other Monored commanders here.

I run Adamaro as my commander. I've been kicked from more games than I can remember on Cockatrice over dropping Blood Moon into WBUG and combos thereof tables - it gives me a sick kind of joy.

>>53627870
Blood Moon just wins games. I already run mostly mountains to facility Valakut so the worst it does is allow me to make mana with my Maze of Ith.

Monored just feels good.

>playing Roon flicker shenanigans
>Daretti puts down a T2 Torpor Orb
>just say: "Well, that's not a game I get to play in, so I concede." in what I thought was a pretty calm and reasonable manner and pack up my deck
>everyone gets super pissy and calls me a whiny bitch for conceding
What the fuck am I supposed to do here? 90% of my interaction is etb-based. Even if I draw that one Return to Dust in my deck, the Damia player's just gonna counter it, because he knows it keeps me out of the game.

>>53628012
Its basically like scooping to a blood moon. Its no big deal imo, they were being dicks about it. I think the bigger question is why are you all playing UGX?

>>53628012
>plays a deck centered around a broken interaction
>scoops when somebody has an actual answer to it
You're a whiny bitch for not putting up a fight. You run fucking white and green and can't answer Torpor Orb? What kind of a shitty Roon deck are you playing? I run Torpor Orb in every deck I play just to spite people like you that refuse to cover their bases because "muh synergy".

>>53628012
The same thing happened to me when a player complained about rest in peace coming down against his alesha deck.

You have access to three colors, two of them are blue and green, so you have a huge amount of options. You were insanely greedy when building the deck and didn't have a backup plan at all. Also torpor orb is a common anti-degeneracy card, so you should be aware that it exists.

I can understand why you scooped that one game, but keep in mind that deliberately going with a super linear strategy and then scooping whenever it's not optimal is sort of poor form. Go back to the drawing board.

For some commanders having a backup plan can be difficult and taxing. If you're playing something like mono-red or a gimmick commander a hate card can ruin your day, but you are in bant. Use your fucking colors mate.

>>53628086
You're as bas as the people in anon's playgroup. Yeah it's dumb to build a deck to be entirely hosed by Torpor Orb and hopefully he learned his mistake but he's going to be overpaying for shitty vanilla creatures the entire game. There was no winning in that scenario.

>>53627618
Yeah Neheb is fucking sweet. I hope we get some more good minotaurs in Hour

>>53628012
You are in the wrong here. It's really rude to leave the game just because the game isn't going your way at the moment. You play three color and should be able to deal with one artifact. If you can't deal with the artifact you should be able to play something else than flicker and use it. If you can't use anything else you can still stay in the game and wait for an opportunity. It's not your playgroup's fault that you didn't think of having removal in your deck, that your deck is a one-trick pony and that you don't think of others. One player leaving in the middle of the game can destroy the balance of the game and ruin it for everyone else. I wouldn't want to play with someone like you.

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Anyone else use this in EDH? Its in my Yidris deck and it fucking went off the last game I played it. Got it out turn 5 and ended up getting a lot of good shit from my opponents and ended up winning the game. Also cascades out good shit becuase of it high CMC. Anyone got any mileage out of it?

>discord in OP
>spirit of EDH
What happened to /tg/?

>>53628394
>Anyone else use this in EDH?
I will now. The card looks pretty sweet.

>>53628481
its pretty fucking OP if you can ramp to it early.

>>53628450
A fucking mongoloid made the thread, there is no subject, either.

It's so bad a troll must have done this on purpose, it's hard for someone to be like this on accident.

>>53627359
Ravnica and it's guilds are the best thing to have happened to Magic.

>>53628546
The same retard keeps making the thread early everytime just to make sure he's first.

>>53628394
I play a mill deck and that card gets countered literally every single time I play it
I understand it I guess, it's way too fucking powerful and is a mistake

>>53628394

On Saturday night I played this and cloned it with clever impersonator. I got a lot of shit for free but none of it made me win and my opponents kiled both enchantments in less than two turns. I still won the game with infinite combo with Maelstrom Wanderer.

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>tfw unironically Demonic Tutoring for Pristine Talisman

What's the most seemingly mundane card that keeps winning you games?

>>53628809

>demonic tutor
>seemingly mundane

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>>53628809
You'd be surprised how much Manglehorn triggers people

>>53628809

I like it when people are absolute shit at threat asessing and I just play my Necropotence and nobody gives a fuck and I win.

>>53628647
Don't know where you've been the past 3 weeks but these threads have been dying without a new one for several hours. Threads rarely get made before the old hits bump limit so I don't know what you expect. Waiting for the old thread to die just to appease your autism of only having 1 result show up for EDH in the catalog search stymies discussion.

>>53629084
that's less "seemingly mundane" and more "my table is pretty ignorant"

>>53628450
>I don't like thing so stop talking about it

You're literally the first person in this thread to mention the discord but holy shit the discord is just ruining this general. Look at the horrible things it's done and the distraction from the focus of the thread it causes.

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>No creature Bolas in his own archenemy set
>dragon commander deck mythic legend reprint is probably going to be Karrthus
>definitely won't be in iconic masters

I'm kinda mad

>Thread Question
By spirit of edh, I'll assume it's about the local meta.
And it obviously varies. If a deck gets powerful and the other players fail or are unwilling to step it up. Then you have two options: tone down or change meta.
But if you mean as something global, then you can just get too powerful if you straight up ignore the rules and the banlist.

>>53629084
Necropotence: So undervalued that when it came out people called it the worst card in the set.

>>53629272

My very first trade in Magic was back in 4th ed when I traded the Strip Mine in my first deck for a Craw Wurm. I mean come on, it's a land that you have to sacrifice to destroy a land, how shit is that?

This is why today I only play EDH, and only then with borrowed decks.

>want a large part of the tools available in aether revolt's masterpiece set
>still not enough to justify picking up a box in the set

>>53629289
>>This is why today I only play EDH, and only then with borrowed decks.
Because you're dumb? I don't get it.

Reminder that Archenemy: Nicol Bolas decklists and schemes were released.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/archenemy-nicol-bolas-preview-2017-06-05

>>53629289
I just bought a Strip Mine, after selling mine about a year ago.

To be fair though the one I sold was in German and the one I bought was in English, and I have no real desire to have foreign cards if I can get an English version.

>>53629306

Yes, I'm bad at figuring out what cards are good and what are not. So therefore I am equally bad at constructing decks.

>>53629320
You've been playing since 4th ed and still can't figure that out? Wow.

>>53628012
You deserve to face Torpor Orb every game because you're bant colors and have no way to kill a little 2cmc artifact.

>>53629317
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/archenemy-nicol-bolas-preview-2017-06-05
Holy shit that archenemy deck looks weak. I could build that right now with the jank laying around in my binder. Why is this Bolas, and how in the fuck are you supposed to beat THREE players when any of them can block you? Shit's dumb.

>>53629336

Nah, quit at Mirage. Only came back because the guys at my FLGS asked me to play EDH. I mean, I can play the game just fine, and I teach it to kids at the high school I work at. I'm just really bad at figuring out deck construction and card value.

>>53629353
Ah, I see. Fair enough.

>>53629317
>Planeswalkers
>Grand Abolisher
>Sun Titan
>Odric
>Checklands
>Baleful Strix
>Lightning Bolt x2
>Checklands
>The other mythics
>The schemes
>That sickass life counter

Anything else of value that I missed?

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>>53627492
on the topic of boros decks, how does Brion Stoutarm handle a 75% meta? I like the idea of a Boros deck but only Brion seems like the only spicy commander for the colors

I would assume that since you don't need to win by combat damage and because you can run Culling Dais, white reanimation and such, being Boros colors doesn't seem that bad

>>53627229
>spirit of edh
I determine it by how many turns of play my opponents get in an average game.
>My opponents only have 3 or fewer turns to play before I win
pretty competitive, only amusement anyone besides me might get is from how ridiculous my early win is
>My opponents have 5 to 7 turns to play before I win
Kinda high power group, decks which fit in here shouldn't be being played against fresh brews or newbies, but if all your pals are about equal, it's an okay place to be.
>My opponents have 8 or more turns to play before I win
Acceptable for newbies and brewers who haven't had a lot of road testing. Clunky, gimmicky decks go here. Most easily a power level where you don't have to make extremely crucial decisions fast, meaning it's best for casual socialisation between players, and most forgiving of you making purposeful misplays for laffs.

Wording here is specific because even good stax may very well take much longer ti win, but your opponents get very few turns to actually play, or any extra turn combo where it might last to turn 80, but every turn after your turn 4 were also yours.

>>53628012
Consider adding some answers and die like a gentlemen.

>>53628235
Not him. But I don't see what's so bad about it.
If you run a deck around something, you gotta be aware of what counters it and try to cover with at least some basic answers.
And he shouldn't have conceded unless it was a 1v1, since you can always recover in multiplayer with a bit of politics, seeing that some players wouldn't even see him as a threat for most of the game.

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>>53629486
>implying deck power level and player skill have any connection
>implying it's not the people new to the format who immediately go for the early win

the first EDH deck i played was the strongest one i've made. it was some dumb combo deck that won out of nowhere turn 3-5. then i made a slightly spicier, slightly weaker deck. then i made an even weaker, spicier one and so on.

if you find yourself building your decks explicitly to win as fast as possible, then odds are that you are playing the wrong format

>>53629317
Thanks bud. I'll get it in next OP.

>>53628012
>Against Edric and Ghonti
>Play t2 Torpor orb
>All of Edrics naturalize effects are tied onto etbs, or are reliant on hitting me (Trygon Predator, which isn't going to hit me)
>Almost every Ghonti card is ETB
>Still lost because I decided to kill Ghonti last, since Edric repeatedly comes out of nowhere, and a turn before losing, Ghonti scours my orb from existence and combos off.

>>53628012
I bet you would've scooped if someone ever Hindered your general too, whiner.

so how would one go about building a deck just to fuck with the table state as opposed to winning? I'm a guy who usually gets hated out first due to a regularly open board state so a lot of "for my final act of defiance" is being done, I want to know how to do that better.

>>53629317
I'm surprised you dips aren't more worked up about this.

>But honestly, I recommend diving headfirst into the flavor here. Gideon players, spout one-liners about justice and righteousness. Nissa players, scold your villain for his corruption of the once-beautiful Amonkhet as you do your best to return the natural order of the plane. Chandras, yell the name of every burn spell you play as you angrily toss them at your opponent. (Don't actually do that last one; I could get into trouble.) And of course, Nicol Bolases, cackle confidently as you reveal your schemes each turn, and make sure to accompany each removal spell you play with a cold, calculated grin.

>>53628012
i'm a pretty big baby but even i wouldn't have scooped to that

you're in bant. pack at least 6-7 answers that can deal with stuff like torpor orb.

barring that, just draw and go until someone's board wipe kills the torpor orb. you are probably not going to be focused if you are basically entirely nullified, so you might as well stick around and wait for the board state to change.

i would've probably scooped against a t2 winter orb myself, but only if i knew i had no answer for it, and nor did anyone else, but that's mostly because i don't want to be used as a springboard for someones schadenfreude stax fantasies

>>53629735
even the writers know their characters fucking suck

>>53629768
Nissa and Chandra are by far the worst. It's like they forgot Zendikar was a place, and Chandra is completely devoid of personality or merit.

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>>53629735
>he doesn't go full retard and roleplay being a planeswalker when playing Magic.

It's the small things that keep you happy.

>>53629778
Ironic considering they just visited their home planes recently at that

>>53627229
>At what point do decks get too powerful for the "spirit of EDH?" Is this even possible?
decks are "too powerful" if there is a large power discrepancy in your play group. the "spirit of EDH" is just some horse shit timmys harp about when their shit decks get BTFO. all that matters is that the table is on relatively equal footing

>>53627316
mono color is just so boring though. 2 or 3 colors is the perfect amount

>>53627492
kalemne is pretty shit honestly compared to the other boros voltron commanders

>>53629881
Mono red is great fun

>>53628012
you seriously have no artifact removal in white and green? id call you a bitch too. get better at deck building before you come back next time josh

>>53628394
i fucking love that card, put it in almost every blue deck i have

Grixis, Sultai or Temur Eldrazi?

>>53629713
Rude

>>53629997
grixis

>>53627229
>At what point do decks get too powerful for the "spirit of EDH?" Is this even possible?
when rock chaining is a consistent start
fix fast mana
fix every last problem with the format

>>53628012
>"Well, that's not a game I get to play in, so I concede
what a complete bitch, nobody should have the misfortune of playing against you again.

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>>53628706
>a mill deck
>a card I play is way too powerful

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I'm building Rakdos as my third EDH deck
I don't want it to be your average rakdos deck so can you guys
share some funny black and red cards to fuck around with and add in

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>>53628809
>What's the most seemingly mundane card that keeps winning you games?

>>53629196
>By spirit of edh, I'll assume it's about the local meta.
not even fucking close
like holy shit
how are you this bad at understanding basic concepts.

>>53627547

Putting yuour commander back in the command zone is voluntary.

>>53630097
Which Rakdos
Original is more fun

>>53630113
You are wrong though

>>53630203
it has nothing to do with your local meta it has to do with the intent of the creators of the format and the keepers of the banlist

>>53630135
Lord of riots

>>53627380
Colorless has very little instant-speed removal and boardwipes. One-sided draw is usually at a pretty high cost. It has to have a big reliance on artifacts to be consistent in any way.
t. Emrakul player

>>53628012
Like I know you want to flicker stuff for value, but you do realize your etb effects have power and toughness attached to them right? If literally 90% of your nonlands are creatures, that's a huge threat density. Just attack him all game. When he dies start flickering and aim for a win.

Also build your deck better you tard.

>>53630219
>Intent of the creators

Wanna tell me where it explicitly states what the spirit of the format is?

Because it doesn't

>>53629139
There's a huge difference between bump limit and a thread dying. If it hits the limit, make a thread. We don't need new threads when the old is still being bumped.

>>53630219
Then read before getting a sissy fit.
>if you mean as something global, then you can just get too powerful if you straight up ignore the rules and the banlist.

>>53629317
>access denied
B-but.

>>53629317
is it worth 60 dollars?

So, for those of you who can't get to the site, Archenemy has nothing but reprints, and none of the reprints are worth more than about $5.
Unless you plan on playing a lot of archenemy and need the new Schemes, it's not going to be worth it.

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>>53630293
>Wanna tell me where it explicitly states what the spirit of the format is?
pic related
they go into more detail here
http://forum.mtgcommander.net/EDH_Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12254

while it can change from group to group, the underlying intent of the edh format is to play an interactive gentleman's game of magic.
this is what is referred to as the spirit of the format.

>>53629317
it always makes me so angry that these things are not just jammed packed with reprints of actually needed shit

>>53630542
It has the BR and UB Talismans, those were kinda needed.

Also, goodby $1 uncommon bone picker, it was nice to know you.

>>53630361
your meta can forgo a banlist all together but that is divorced entirely from the spirit of the format. ist apples and oranges.

>>53630226
>Lord of riots
Live the dream, man. Lord of Riots is extremely hard to make work. Cryptolith Fragment is really good for him since it basically taps for players+C to cast creatures with Rakdos out and enables you to cast him while providing (rather than costing) mana.

Naturally, Lord of Riots wants some symmetrical life loss/damage and some awesome fatties with heavy colorless requirements to ramp into: like Animar's evil twin, Eldrazi tend to be really good for him. Festering Evil is surprisingly nice as long as you don't rely on x/1 utility dorks. Lim-Dul's Hex could also work to get your opponent life loss out and it's much more mana efficient. Palace Siege is a half-decent card on Khans at the worst of times, and here you might actually run Dragons. An argument could be made for Subversion, but you want moar creatures and Siege is better. Triskaidekaphobia, though, still has its place. Plague Spitter? Basically Festering Evil #2 that curves into Rakdos rather than out of him.

Bomb Squad is janky, but fun. Ditto Form of the Dragon (run Gravity Sphere!). Since you'll be running a lot of creatures and a lot of creatures with insane combat stats at that, Guild Feud can be a flavor win. Lastly in the goofy pile, The Fallen can't benefit too much from Rakdos, but it's a pretty fun guy to have around.

... Damn, going over cards for Lord of Riots is practically convincing me to do it myself.

>>53630537
Ok. But what does deck power have to do with the social interactions?
As stated before, that part would depend solely on your group. If your group is on an equal power level, it doesn't matter if your deck has 2 card combos, t3 wincons or are just extra casual decks.

>>53630565
im talking about stuff that actually has a bit of value. like they dont have to reprint 80 dollar cards in a 60 dollar product but a 5-10 card in each deck would have been cool

>>53630572
Then I have no idea of what you're talking about.
Because what is stated as spirit in the picture here >>53630537 has nothing to do with what was asked in the thread question.

>>53630590
when interaction becomes impossible for non blue decks or if turn 0-1 wins start being possible I would say thats against the spirit of the format.
>>53630603
if interaction is impossible outside of counterspells id say thats not in the spirit of the format due to too high of a powerlevel.

>>53630602
Grand Abolisher, Grim Lavamancer, Nissa, Worldwaker, Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker are all $5+ cards, and the decks have a decent smattering of $1-2 dollar stuff as well.
Don't know what you are talking about, dude.

>>53630649
If the group is okay and having fun with this kind of "counterspell combo race", then how exactly is it breaking the spirit stated very loosely in that one pic?

>>53630684
i guess that they wont stay 5 dollarydoos after they are reprinted

>>53628394
I love it, but Krosan Grip hits it way too hard

>>53630706
Yes, when you can buy something for less than it sells for, the price tends to drop.
So what, you wanted them to print $10-15 dollar cards and have them all sell out before they even reach the shelves by traders and collectors?

>>53630749
i can only assume thats what his gripe is

>>53630757
>"His gripe"
>I'm not that anon, I'm a different anon that can't use capitalization or punctuation!

Ah summer.

>>53630749
>have them all sell out before they even reach the shelves by traders and collectors?


literally just print more

>>53630789
question: are all anons who post with proper punctualization and capitalization the same because their posts are sorta similar?

think about how dumb what you just said is

>>53630789
>complain about capitalization of 4chins
>Ah summer
fishy 4 sure

>>53628012
You're playing bant. How the bloody fuck can you not and one artifact?

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>>53628012
>tfw you realize you can act nice but still be an asshole

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Ok so I really love these rad proxies but they are of copyrighted material so where can I go to get some fucking sick ass proxies like these? I cant find anything but dull shit on pintrist and fucking kill me before I have an account on that abortion of a site

>>53629399

I have had a lot of fun with Brion, and he does pretty okay.

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>>53630952

>>53630952
Wipe the parts you want to replace off of the card with nail polish remover or an eraser and then print it yourself directly on the card. If you don't have a good printer then a Staples or Kinkos probably has what you need and can do it for a small cost.

>>53630588
Myojin of Night's Reach is disgustingly good in Lord of Riots.

>>53630819
And then the price on the cards you want to be $5-10 will be $1-2.
Seriously, stay in school kids.

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>>53631043
>tfw 26 and still take summer clases
I LIKE TO LERN!

>>53630318
And that's precisely what every OP, myself included, has been doing. 310 is the bump limit and I think I made one thread in the past month before that mark because there was a streak of people letting threads stay dead for the better part of a day and it was 10 posts early to make sure the updated OPs weren't lost and discussion wasn't stopped. So I challenge you to go through the archive and find this influx of early threads because they're not there.

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>>53631054

>>53631043
Thats literally the point you utter retard. Cheaper card prices is a good thing

>>53630694
>degree of interactivity

Asking "Do you have a counterspell?" on turn 3 is not interactivity. Sheldon explains this EXTRAORDINARILY thoroughly in his plethora of articles so you're just being feigning ignorance to be contentious.

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>>53627229
If it wins consistently and is fast enough that people in the group can't do anything to stop it (without gitting good and spending thousands of $). Consistency is key though

What is the best deck to utilize white weenies like picrelated?

>>53631043
And that's what a majority of people want. Treating a TCG as an investment is pants on head retarded.

Inb4 we get into the shitflinging argument about how much LGSs invest in singles and "muh business plan wouldn't work if I couldn't charge $30 for the average staple"

>>53631149
>>53631086
I'm more confused by this >>53630706
How can you both want to buy something worth $10, sell it for $5, and then buy it again for $1 and expect that to make any sense?

That seems very magical christmas land.

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So I'm thinking of building tribal Snakes. Is there any go-to commander? Should I go U/G? B/G? BUG?

>>53631238
Hapatra and Kaseto are both pretty good options, or you can go with Kamigawa snakes

>>53631211
I feel like you misunderstand. The drive is simple

"I want cards worth more money to be reprinted so I can get them cheaper than their current value"

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>>53631119

In a Tiny Leader with pick related

>>53631119
>What is the best deck to utilize white weenies like picrelated?
Combat Weenies will seldom do it. Teeg Hatebears.dec ft. Meekstone, though...

>>53631262
>"I want cards worth more money to be reprinted so I can get them cheaper than their current value"
but the current spoilers are just that
I dont really see why you would be upset with whats reprinted

>>53631262
Except that's not how this conversation started.
This line of conversation started by an anon saying "Why don't they print a bit of value ($5-10) in these decks" another anon said "There is value, these cards are all worth $5+."
Then another anon, with the same inability to capitalize or punctuate said "They need to stay $5 for it to count as value." This would require the cards to start at at least $10-15 and drop by about half.
Now the conversation has apparently shifted enough that it has become "$10-15 cards should be printed enough that they become $1-2 cards" which is a bit to much of a drop for me.

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>>53631312
>>53631342
Meh. It's sad, 'cause I can't refuse the urge to hoard these awesome knights and soldiers, and the only decks with a similar theme are offbeat boros and Rafiq (who is more of a Thomas the steam engine than a knight). Teeg deck is under construction

>>53631368
>Then another anon, with the same inability to capitalize or punctuate
do you know where you are
you seem lost

>>53631390
Isn't it odd that until it became near meme, nearly every person in the thread was using capitalization and punctuation?

Is it worth it replacing basic lands with regular taplands?

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Do you think it's possible to make a Nin Storm-like deck? Playing awful lots of mana then going into Ignite Memory/Grapeshot + Reiterate/Turnabout, with stuff like Psychosis Crawler, Stuffy Doll, Insurrection and Capsize as alternative win-cons?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nin-wip-1/

I made this deck when I just started playing the format and it is terribly unfocused - but was very fun to play when it worked. Any input on what can I do with it to make it strong and flavourful - but not turn 3-5 win strong.

>>53631419
only tap lands you should be playing are utility lands
tri lands
and maybe scrylands

>>53631408
>until it became near meme
dont sprang your arm jerking yourself off, boy

>>53631444
that looks way more like the grimace than it does noon the poon automatoon

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>>53627316
Have some Mana Tithe, Dawn Charm, and Lapse of Certainty for that Mono White deck! Now you can counter spells, just like those pesky blue players! (These card are also nice in a Sunforger package)

>>53628319
Neheb was the only minotaur worth a damn in all of Amonkhet. It's a damn shame.

>>53629905
Nah, dubz + vigilence is GOAT for a Boros sword holder
Tajic/Adriana are meant to go wide. Aurelia is lol6mana. I'd say her only comparable matchup would be Akiri + Bruse Tarl.

>>53631528
That reminds me, if I take all fog effects (mostly white and green, but there are some black and blue ones I'm sure), how can I use them to make a deck? Not necessary an effective one

Also Rebuff the Wicked in your counters list

>>53631419
Is your budget pathetic, your meta casual, and your deck three or more colors? If you answered yes to all these questions, lands that ETB tapped and produce two colors of mana might be for you. If you have fewer colors, you might use a couple but should probably be ok with basics. If you have more budget, you will be running shocklands, painlands, and buddy lands first, possibly branching into Shadowmoor Filters, fastlands, various rainbow lands like city of brass or tendo ice bridge, and/or utility duals -- enough multimana that you probably won't have to reach for taplands too. If your meta is harsher, you may have to ether sacrifice your budget or your dreams of that fancy many-colored deck to afford a good mana base.

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>>53631584
you are better off just makign your commander fog

>>53631211
We want card prices to come down from 10 to like 2-3. You accomplish this by reprinting the 10 dollar cards in suplemental products.

Honestly i dont see how that is hard to understand. You might juat be retarded or something

>>53631661
are you implying there are no 10 dollar cards spoiled in this new product yet?

>>53627440

I hate that symbol so fucking much. It doesn't look like ANYTHING. I think I'd prefer if it looked like a puckered butthole because at least it would look like something.

>>53631682
Not nearly enough. Suplemental products are the place for reprints. Aside from fun which is subjective their primary goal should be to bring card prices down

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>>53631702
>Not nearly enough.

>>53631688
Oddly, I feel like that might mean it's doing it's job. It's supposed to be void -- null, nothing. So if it looks like nothing mission accomplished?

>>53631597
Added, just Sunforger out one of these counters and piss of the blue player at the table. Planar Chaos is such an awesome set.

>>53631656
Can you cast your commander for their suspend cost..? Does it carry the commander tax, or no?

>>53631238
UG or BUG, although there's not many good snake cards for black really.
Only good snake card for black is Ophiomancer, but it's absolutely worthless in a snake tribal.

>>53631828
You can only suspend from your hand so it doesn't do much at all for Ith.

I'd be ok with allowing it in house rules or something but the official rules make it impossible.

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>>53631849
>Only good snake card for black is Ophiomancer
shiggy

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>>53630106
Mostly with a bit of help from emrakul

>>53629807
The problem is now they're mascots. Before, Chandra could burn people to cinders and cackle maniacally because she wasn't "the good guy," she was just an overgrown child with way too much power. Nissa could be "fuck you, want mine" elf Hitler. And if they had developed and matured then it would have been fine, but instead the writers said "You're the heroes now," and then they were the heroes! It's not shoddy writing, that's just how stories work!

>>53631900
Put that shit in Daretti. Pitch it in the bin, get back with welder or man himself, and sac it for a free timewalk.

>>53631238
Patron of the Orochi in mono green, Kaseto in UG.

>>53631726
He is not wrong.

>>53631892
Well, you got me there. Still, Hapatra is much more narrow and reliant on the -counters, whereas Ophiomancer gives value in any deck that's not snake tribal, although Hapatra gives you much more of the tokens usually

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>>53631408
>someone making fun of me is memeing

>>53628809
Phyrexia's Core is a card I've been consistently Expedition mapping for.

>tfw you play Ghave and kill everyone T4 after pushing through counters and they just sigh as they start packing up their decks
I feel like I just had a Spike intervention. Help me reclaim my inner Timmy /edh/. Preferably with something in Gruul colors.

>>53631444
What's this, tats for ants?

>>53631444
>nin art

Keep posting. She does things to my genitals.

>>53632166
Go Boros. Even if you 100% Spike it, you can consistently lose.

>>53631952
Honestly once you start doing that with Daretti you just look at the table and go "If none of you can stop this now, you might as well scoop unless you want to watch me masturbate my deck."

>>53632200
With MLD and everything?

>>53632208
>>53631952
How is it that neither of you realize it exiles itself?

>>53632241
Duh.

>>53632246
They're talking about discarding it with Daretti's + ability then getting it back later.

>>53632246
Bitch you're playing Daretti you make copies of it for days. You don't even need to destroy it, you sacrifice the copy because it's Legendary and it triggers.

>>53632278
If you make copies of it with the original still around, the original will make you skip that extra turn.

>>53632166
How can you be upset with that playing something that reliant on your piloting as Ghave? It's not some "oops I accidentally infinite combo". Hold your bombs, play more removal instead of combos, just don't go for the win as soon as possible, jeez, it's not rocket science.

>>53632261
Anyways to get monarch in boros?

>>53627229
>Ghave
>It's not some "oops I accidentally infinite combo".
chortlingplaneswalkers.tiff

>>53632348
Protector of the Crown, Skyline Despot. The former works well with either/or 8.5 tails + Rune-Tail

>>53627229
Daily reminder that wizards is killing the format everytime they release a Commander product

>>53632351
It's not automatic in any way, so the deck doesn't "play itself", it's you who says "fuck you guys, I'm running away with a victory" and then assembles this crappy loop

>>53632407
Ghave is a braindead deck with as much depth as Animar

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>>53632436

>>53632377
Being the monarch means you get to draw extra cards, right?

>>53632481
At end of turn, yes.

>>53632382
Daily reminder that hipsters' feelings are irrelevant to the success of any product

>>53632469
>I play Ghave and it"s SUPER HARD

Keep dreaming friend. Any deck that gives little consideration for the board state is an easy deck. You just have to memorize when you can say "I win."

>>53632548
NO S-stop! Ghave is a fully unique and nuanced commander that only the highest echelons of players can fully appreciate!!

>>53632542
>it's considered being a hipster to not want poorly designed trashed and tailored for commander spells that limit the viability of a wider breadth of cards

Not same anon you're arguing with but unironically defending prossh, derevi, jeleva, teferi, and other commander product staples is ignorance at its core. This is completely isolated from number of people playing.

>>53632598
They've started doing it in their main products as well now so it's pretty much a moot point.

>>53628394
One of my group uses it, its a card that almost requires response immediately.


While it usually doesn't win the game outright it quickly shifts advantage to its controller.

>>53632631
Getting even more than from the main sets is the issues and at least with main sets you're limited to a couple rares and the legendaries, not an entire set and a Commander they try to make as braind-dead build-around friendly as possible.

>>53628394
>Fuck My Life: the card
If your karma is anything like mine, you'll be repeatedly picking 4 land triggers with Gonti, all the while triggers from that crap will get it's contoller your Damnation, Decree of pain, Phyrexian Arena etc

>>53632717
Commander legendary creature cards aside. I very much appreciate the cycles that come out with each release. Sans-Undaunted, that was shit.

>>53632765
They should make ally-colored planeswalker commanders for 2018.

How good are Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Sphere of Safety, Windborn Muse, etc? It's nice when your opponent has to pay 5 mana per creature to attack, but I'm not sure how good they are in pillow fort

>>53632907
What is even pillow fort if not those cards?

>>53632907
Meta-dependent, but they are essential in pillowfort.


Any deck that relies on creature damage, and even decks that may not rely on them can still be strongly impacted by these.

>>53632960
Kazuul

>>53632907
Unless it's a degenerate-tier playgroup, they normally put in work especially with board wipe support. Have an enchantress Rubinia deck that gets a lot of mileage out of those cards.

How good is planewalker commander, anyway?

>>53633286
I think they are all usable.

Daretti is a great artifact commander

>>53633323
What I meant is, using any planeswalker as commander.

>>53633286
Teferi is degenerate, Daretti is probably the best mono-red, Freyalise and Ob-Nixilis are good, Nahiri is underwhelming.

>>53633286
maybe its just me, but i really dislike the whole "this planeswalker may be used as your commander" thing

really just feels stupid, but again, maybe its just me

>>53633359
It can be fun, especially if you get everybody in your playgroup to find an off-meta walker for their commander

>>53633597
What do you mean by off-meta?

>>53627492
are there even enough good vehicles for a vehicle commander?

What's a good deck that's made mostly of cards that are generally considered horrible?

>>53633711
I have a pretty casual playgroup, so we all built casual decks with just the cards we had with decent walkers. If your group is really competitive I imagine you might shoot straight for the stronger walkers and that might be less fun.

>>53633757
Zedruu maybe

>>53633770
How would a U/R artifact deck headed by Ral Zarek or Saheeli Rei world work?

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>>53633856
i too am playing a U/R artifact deck :^)

>>53633359
Venser
Stax

>>53633757
hapatra vizier of poisons
you can easily make roon, animar or brago king eternal using absolute trash cards

>>53633359
Garruk
any

>>53631093
At this point you're just trying to force what a group should be doing with their decks. If they're satisfied with it and are interacting with each other SOCIALLY, mind you. Then there's no danger to this so called spirit of edh.

Stop trying to impose more rules where it doesn't belong. Let every play group decide what affects negatively and positively their social interactions.

>>53633897
i already have a hapatra deck, it's mostly good cards because it's a dedicated combo deck.

when i say "trash" i'm talking bottom of the barrel trash. zada level trash. but not zada because i don't want to bring a second zada deck to my group.

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>>53630087
While you are 100% correct, I guarantee you've never heard a table groan as hard/loud every single time I play a Crumbling Sanctuary

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>>53633757
make a kobold of kheer keep tribal deck

>>53633944
What is wrong with that floor, the molding is gone from the corner and it's beat to shit and there's a fucking hole. Looks like a nice, well maintained house otherwise, so it stands out.

>>53633942
>when i say "trash" i'm talking bottom of the barrel trash
sounds like you have some brewing to do, I wouldnt expect anyone to have a bunch of options just floating around

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I want to create an Artificer/Fabricate deck and was wondering which commander would be better. Should I go with a 3 color Alesha, Who Smiles at Death build or 4 color Breya, Etherium Shaper build?

>Artifacts
Panharmonicon
Chief of the Foundry
Snare Thopter
Inventor's Goggles

>White
Cathars' Crusade
Angel of Intervention
Master Trinketeer
Glint-Sleeve Artisan
Visionary Augmenter
Propeller Pioneer
Aether Inspector (Maybe)
Servo Exhibition
Sram's Expertise
Intangible Virtue
Toolcraft Exemplar
Blade Splicer
Master Splicer

>Black
Marionette Master
Ambitious Aetherborn
Weaponcraft Enthusiast
Aether Poisoner (Maybe)

>Red
Pia Nalaar
Pia and Kiran Nalaar
Ghirapur Gearcrafter
Thopter Engineer
Inventor's Apprentice
Aether Chaser
Scrapper Champion (Maybe)

>Blue
Thopter Spy Network
Whirler Rogue
Wing Splicer
Experimental Aviator
Quicksmith Spy
Aeronaut Tinkerer
Weldfast Wingman
Aether Swooper
Aspiring Aeronaut

>Multicolor
Whirler Virtuoso
Maverick Thopterist
Restoration Gearsmith
Hidden Stockpile
Weldfast Engineer
Unlicensed Disintegration

Would it be better to use blue or try to abuse Alesha?

>>53634033
Go with Breya, blue gives you so many options for artifact interaction.

>>53634006
>there's a fucking hole
Looks to me like just a knot in the wood.

>>53634082
How many creatures would I run for this build and what would the mana curve look like? Thanks for the advice.

>>53633934
No one's telling you how to do anything, Spergo Agnew. Sheldon specifies these general guidelines as the easiest method to enjoy the format as he designed it but he's completely endorsed people doing whatever they want. No one is telling you how to play the game; however, it's factually wrong to say that it abides by the previously outlined Spirit of EDH does not specify interaction during the game. It literally states "interact both during the game..." and Sheldon also elaborates heavily on this in his articles.

TL;DR Stop being upset some people like Sheldon's outline. You're acting like a child.

>>53634125
I haven't really ran any artifact shenanigan commamders, so I don't know.

>>53633757
Zada, Hedron Grinder. You can build a fun list for like 20 bucks, and a really fun list for 30

>>53628928
Talisman, not Demonic Tutor.

>>53632315
You can probably go infinite turns with Prototype Portal, though.

What are some relatively cheap equipment tutors in boros?

>>53634124
It's a pretty dull and dark knot if that's the case. But it probably is.

With how nice everything else looks, I'd bet mid renovation, that awkward two weeks or so between when you get enough DIY energy to rip up the shitty looking molding and when you realize that you don't actually have the skills to install good-looking molding yourself and call a handyman who actually owns a level to cut it and nail it in.

>>53634264
steelshaper's gift, open the armory, godo, that one giant from morningtide

>>53634191
You're putting words in my mouth.
I'm not upset at anything.

>>53630087
Oona and Geth combo lists are pretty strong. I run Lazav mill with a bunch of exile cards, and it usually receives the moat hate of any deck in my meta. Why? Because I steal people's shit, copy it, and deck people very quickly. Tutoring up Sadistic sacrament makes people scoop if you kick it. Just the convoluted wheels into combo mill is enough to break even the most seasoned player. What's worse than getting hit with your own blightsteel kicked with rite of replication, or copying Iona with Lazav before exiling it?

Anyways, it hits you with your own stuff, and most people can't handle the concept at a high level.

>>53629317
Pretty cool, especially the Schemes, but the creatures in the Bolas deck are almost all overcosted.

>>53634264
>>53634298
stonehewer giant (also got a modern masters reprint) enlightened tutor has dropped in price too

>>53634634
Wasn't there that one guy from OGW?

>>53634033
Go with Sydri.

>>53634711
Relic-Seeker, yes. He requires you to trigger Renown though.

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>>53634734
This is what I was thinking of. A repeatable searcher, if ypu have enough equipment.

>>53634809
woops, thought you meant Origins for some reason. That guy really wouldn't be a good choice unless your commander/deck is Ally themed. Voltron decks don't tend to run more than 12 pieces of equipment so even if you did use him regularly he would still be be pulling blanks in a 99 card deck

>>53634865
Oh shit, I totally didn't see the ally part of that. PASS

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>>53628394

A ton of fun in Rashmi. Everybody will hate you, especially as you cackle like a maniac.

>>53635068
>especially as you cackle like a maniac.
I really hope you never go outside id hate to meet you irl

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>>53634712
Since the vast majority of the important cards are white and blue, I'm thinking about going with Brago, King Eternal and spamming the shit out of artifact tokens.

>Targets
Angel of Intervention
Visionary Augmenter
Propeller Pioneer
Glint-Sleeve Artisan
Countless Gear Renegade
Blade Splicer
Master Splicer
Wing Splicer
Sensor Splicer
Experimental Aviator
Whirler Rogue
Aspiring Aeronaut
Aether Swooper

>>53635068
Any cards in boros that can stop that bullshit?

>>53635243
The million flavors of Disenchant for Mind's Dilation and Swords to Plowshares for Rashmi.

>>53635243
>Can White get rid o-
Yes. The answer is always yes. White can literally deal with any permanent.

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>>53635295
do it all with one card

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>>53635333
and really put your back into it this time

>>53635120

You sound boring. I wouldn't want to meet you either.

>>53635299
It can struggle with lands a little, if you want unrestricted anything dies you want multicolor, overpriced colorless, or green.

>>53635299
I kind of meant stopping the cascade triggers and whatnot, but yeah, white kills basically everything.

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>>53635922
Come again?
White is the undisputed best of the colors at answering problem permanents.

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>>53635950
>cascade
White can tackle that too.

Why is white unironically the best color?

Am I still gonna be hated if I run Zur without lockdown shenanigans?

>>53636247
because its got literally everything except card draw which can be supplemented with other forms of card advantage
then when you combine U, the supposed best color, with W, the actual best color, you end up with the best color combination

>>53636256
You will until people realize that you didn't build him in a degenerate way. It'll take about a half dozen games.

>>53636247
It's the best color for answers and enchantments but I don't think it's the best at anything else. It has a couple of good combos.

>>53635981
True, but it does not spot remove land when it does every other permanent type.

Casting armageddon when player 2 has a Cradle may be necessary, but it also might be unpleasant and put you behind players 3 and 4. Contrast with the premium spot removal in Swords, Disenchant, and the like.

>>53636642
It's also great for flickering strategies and it houses the best flicker commander, Brago.

>>53636655
To be fair, no other color is very good at spot removing land either.

>>53636690
What about red, it has stome rain, boom/bust, demolish, and a whole lot of other spot removal for lands.

>>53636655
Lands are the best spot removal for other lands desu

>>53636667
Please, wotc, give us a lefendary creature with Torpor Orb'a ability. The Vryn Wingmare is not enough.

>>53636728
and they get rekt by a simple enchantment
If we're going to venture into esoteric jank then White has Saltblast.

>>53636771
Why not play both?

>>53636247
Black and green are the best in edh alone.

Black gets to exploit the massive life total. Green gets to go big mana fast.

Blue requires just a little bit more work.

Sultai will always be the best though.

>>53636806
because you are already playing blue white and having more than 2 colors makes you gay on the inside

>>53636806
because there are better cards
The original question was which color, on it's own, has the best removal. The answer is White.

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>>53627229
this commander worthwile for an edh deck or no.

while were on the subject, is there any cards worth getting from amonkhet?

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how do you build an artifact deck without blue?

>>53636822
I already know I'm a total faggot for liking Jeskai colors. Is jeskai really the gayest color combo in edh?

>>53636247
White is a great color to have in a color combo. By itself, it's the actual worst.

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>>53636881

>>53636906
ink-treader is the gayest color combo

>>53636922
i seem to have hit a nerve.

>>53636939
ironically going full rainbow is actually less gay than both ink and jeskai

>>53636939
Still pretty gay by my books.
I actually happen to be bisexual

>>53636900
Stax and ratchet bomb

>>53630484
No way in hell.

>>53636881

She's the best Naya Voltron commander, and her haste enabler isn't bad.

>>53636900

You don't need artifacts to run her. She's just a really useful creature to always have access to.

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>>53637193
>the best Naya Voltron commander

>>53637282
if we're talking equipment samut wins

>>53637282
>>53637298
there any worthit edh cards from amonkhet to snag?

>>53637241
what fills up the rest of the deck, just GB good stuff?

>>53636881
I run her as the general in a human tribal deck. It used to be Saskia but 4 color ia hard to pull off.

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>>53637298
not really, no

>>53637308
anointed procession, manglehorn are the only two that stand out.

archfiend of ifnir and shadow of the grave are pretty good in niche wheel strategies.

and lord of the accursed because zombie lords always have a place in EDH.

>>53637370
i know man, i'm as disappointed in the legendary creatures from this set as you are, but samut isn't /unplayable/, just slightly worse than a lot of other options.

>>53637339

Yeah pretty much. She's there for colour identity and being a really annoying blocker.

>>53637382
>tfw opened 2 Lord of the Accursed and 2 Lilliana's Mastery in last FNM
After playing BG counters for the 3 fnms before that, it felt really good with some diversity

>>53627229
So /tg/ trying to get into commander but it seems too daunting to know where to start. I've been playing for about 2 years, started by slinging Eldrazi and blue but just am starting to get blue and haven't forgotten my alien homies. Is there any version of EDH that would be a good starting point for that? My most efficient deck is a grixis delver deck (modern) that can usually stop a 95% legacy elf deck if he doesn't hit all the right pieces, and I can kill another friends mostly legacy goblin deck too depending on the play.

I like the grixis balance but I'm not impressed with some suggested commanders. Anywhere to start?

>>53637382
There's the one disenchant that exiles at instant speed and cycles.

politics staples?

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>>53637382
I meant to relpy to this comment. But yeah, this cards seem pretty decent in edh.

>>53637583
depends. what kind of deck do you want to play?

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>>53637401
i see no point in flash except as a psudo drawgo thing and to give haste which role is filled by so many other cards and for cheaper, other than that she fails to support herself. she gives haste and untaps, maybe the occasional tap doubling dipping, but falls short on any attempts to support other cards enough. she is not even a toolbox, she is clusterfuck incarnate and cant decide what she wants to do.

which sucks, because her armor is the most interesting thing about her, reminds me of lautrec's armsor of favor.

>>53637768
oh yeah, and cast out replaced stasis snare in my enchantress deck

>>53637801
my biggest gripe is that she's not even the best commander for playing the new exert cards, which is what she was built to do in limited.

>>53637712
Gwafa

>>53637843
secret tech talk tho,
shes a speedster :^)

>>53637786
Control mostly, I've built about 10 decks and u/b control archtype seems to be what I understand the most

>>53637808
Cast Out hits more than Stasis Snare, right?

>>53637974
control in EDH is pretty different from in regular 1v1 play. you've got two other players to worry about, and suddenly your counterspells and single-target removal becomes a whole lot less valuable. a lot of the stronger control decks in EDH focus on stalling until they can either secure a stax lock or push some explosive game-ending combo out. you'll also need a decent amount of recursion to keep your answers back in your hand because of the inherent inconsistency of the format. give Tasigur or Sharuum a try.

>>53638029
yeah, and the cycling's not bad either if i'm really desperate for a draw.

Anyone eurobros have any experience of which country/who NOT to order from in MCM?

>>53638071
I like Tasigur a lot, thanks for confirming u should look into him more. He's pretty nasty even in 50/50 tempo for my modern grixis deck, so I'm familiar enough. Appreciate it

>>53638164
for something to go on, most tasigur decks have nothing to do with beating down with a 4/5 body (relatively weak by EDH standards) and everything to do with generating infinite mana and winning by laboratory maniac

>>53630952
http://www.printerstudio.de/machen/blankokarten-63x88mm-personalisieren-hochformat.html

>>53627492
kalemne is better than depala, you just have to build her better than throw in random vehicles and pretend its a deck

>>53638724
Or you can just run dwarf tribal with land destruction, and forget about the vehicles entirely. Are there any vehicles that are remotely EDH playable?

>>53637712
Tasigur.

>>53638900
looter scooter and the train that gets +1/+1 counters each time it attacks

>>53638900
smugglers copter is still the best looter

>>53638961
Isn't there a vehicle that ramps?

>>53639015
the traders caravan sucks and only makes 1 mana

>>53636690
Red, Green, and black all can. Blue can swap or blank problems. However...

>>53636741
This is true. Good show, I concede defeat.

>>53637369
>Perfect colors for Human tribal
>Haste enabler

You know, I never put the pieces together on Samut before and I'm kinda smacking myself now for it.

>>53639162
>and everyone says Samut is trash

Tasigur, Meren, or Sek'Kuar for Shaman Tribal?

>>53639198
sek'kuar is the only one of those three that has red, so that one

>>53639094
It doesn't suck. Darksteel Ingots are fine.

>>53631900
Waiting for a day when I actually achieve combo using nexus imprinted on Prototype Portal + sac effect.

>>53639209
I was going to ask why I need red but then I remembered Kiki.

>>53639218
darksteel ingot is only played because it survives shattering spree and vandalblast

>>53639218
dark steel ingots dont die

>>53639247
plus gorilla shaman, vexing shusher, prohpetic flamespeaker, flamekin harbinger, and rage forger. ashling is pretty good too.

>>53639179
She is a trash character and her card is terribly designed. They were right.

Power Level is her only win.

>>53639179
>>53639162

>samut works in a restricted, small niche, barely directly supported archetype