8e Chaos Space Marines

Havocs with autocannons

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>>53624174
I'm kinda sad that daemon weapons aren't a thing anymore.

>>53625099
Ab-bro-don has one

>>53625099

Yeah I'm going to miss beating fools out of existence with the black mace.

>>53625099
They'll probably be back when codex proper comes out.

WHO HELBRUTE NOW

can't wait to take a bunch of these sassy bastards

>>53624174
So how does the <legion> tag work in regards to the chaos lord's re-roll 1s to hit rule? Would that mean I have to say my CSM are from a certain legion in the book or would I be okay to just have it apply to all of my CSM as long as they shared a mark or something?

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>>53625458
It's explained pretty clearly in the chaos book. Legion means Whichever One Your Army Is, unless you take two different legions or you know, random allies or something.

Marks work the same way pretty much. Here, it's on this page.

>>53625201
Kinda shitty that marine Captains still have access to Relic Blades despite us loosing Daemon Weapons, but yes, I imagine they will return with our real codex.

How about dem Noise Marines, tho?

>>53624174

Take a squad of CC troops with some plasma pistols and a flamer. Thank me later. I tried it on a whim, and getting the extra attack in CC was well worth giving up that bolter.

A 10man termie blob with a jump sorcerer is scary because they can Deepstrike together and the sorcerer can keep up with warp time and 10 combi-anything is scary. I'm probably going to do 5 melta, 4 plasma, and a reaper. Yes, the reaper is fantastic because it is 4 D2 S7 shots.

>>53625590
I'm honestly not sure what I want to do with noise marines. 3 attacks from each sonic blaster at 24" and a bunch of attacks from each blastmaster is pretty tempting, but it makes for a pretty expensive unit.

>>53626236
I am getting really excited for stuff like termies and chosen with icon of excess though. extra fight phase attacks on 5s against all imperials strikes me as being good times

>>53625640
Land Raiders are balls to the wall insane now. They put out loads of heavy dakka while being virtually indestructible, driving them straight up the center to draw fire/deposit troops seems to be a viable tactic.

>>53626829
fuck yeah

>>53626829
When people complain about not having enough room for the lord, just give him a jump pack and have him tail the Rhino/Raider. There's almost nothing your opponents can do to shoot him that you can't play around.

Prep to job, cartoon villains

>>53627255
You can also just bring two. I'm liking two full of Berserkers with a unit or two of Terminators + Sorcerer ready to pop in as opportunity allows.

>>53625640
that termie unit will be at the 500-600 mark

>>53627438
MAIM KILL BURN

bump for CHAOS

anyone putting together lists yet?

>>53627674
Chaos Lord w/ JP and dual claws 106

Chaos sorc in TDA (warptime) 140
5 Warp talons w/ dual claws 140

5 terminators w/ 5 combimelta, 2 CF, 3 power axe 309
10 CSM w/ 2 plasma gun & rhino w/ combi bolter 228

10 CSM w/ 2 plasma gun & rhino w/ combi bolter 228
10 havocs w/ 4 plasma gun & rhino w/ combi bolter 254

Laspred w/ twin LC and LC sponsons 202
Subtotal 1647

Aiming at 2k and waiting for the chaos deredeo points & stats to complet the list.

>>53627773
>chaos deredeo
the what now?

>>53627826
Yeah, in the Forgeworld chaos index, to be leaked yet.

>>53627852
is that supposed to say Chaos Dorito? Like the nacho cheese tortilla chip?

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>>53627863
yup

>>53627873
I like it.

>>53627881
lots of insane goodness there, can't wait for leaks or failing that, to someone upload the ebook or scananon but i need that book so bad

>>53627903
Yeah, that's going to be fuckin' rad! Can't wait to read those alternate land raiders

>>53627277
This post made me kek heartily for some reason.

so are helbrutes going to survive a walk across the table or not boys?

I can totally see it going either

didnt save the leak when it came out, can someone post the chaos pdf?

https://mega.nz/#F!3odCTLCa!5Jc-zB2-JJcYlT55L6FN8g >>53628139

>>53624174
Looking at the Chaos index description on the GW webstore, i have come to the hermetically wishful conclusion of there maybe, just maybe: being a Chaos index 2 coming someday, with hopefully dark mechanicum, traitor guard, and the updates for world eaters, emperors children and maybe word bearers or iron warriors.

>>53628271
Don't worry, the Chaos Codex is coming for you.

>>53628271
they already said that they are doing army specific codex books, the indexes are specifically to cover every citadel model that is currently for sale on their site so that they all have 8th edition rules day 1

>>53628271
The various flavors of csms are more likely to get codices. R&H are coming back in the FW guard book with elysians and kriegers

>>53627277
I have been a jobber for 3 editions now, with ending 7th as meerly mediocre. I look forward to staying middle of the pack

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>>53628375
I just really want plastic heretic guardsmen..

>>53628146
>Chosen can't take axes anymore.
>I'll just throw that model from Dark Vengence in the bin, then.

>>53628523
yes they can dummy

>>53628561
nuh uh faggot

>>53627873
What's a Hellwright and a Dark Abeyant then? Models to come I'm assuming. Either way we get most of our 30k toys allowed in at long last which is freaking awesome.

>>53628606
yes they can why are you being a dummy

>>53628626
nuh uh, why are you being a faggot?

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i hope R&H come fast... cultists seem to be the worst unit in all books... there seems to be no way to make them auto pass the moral check (except CP)... and their stats are horrible...

>>53628735
I guess they're meant to be taken with a dark apostle.

>>53628735
put them near a dark apostle

>>53628625
shit from the HH i guess

>>53628735
>>53628756
My concern is more about what do you want to put behind them ? Wouldn a rinho/land be a better choice to protect your real puncher?

Just noticed we lost dirge casters for our vehicles. Sad to see those go because of how fun it would be to charge a rhino into combat with one.

>>53628838
Destroyer blades too. I got excited when I read about Deff Rollas becoming brutal in CC and thought we would get something similar. also was hoping for a better version of daemonic possession RIP

>>53628735
I hope The Purge is still in somehow, I have a Verdun themed Nurgle renegade army and I don't want it to be shit this edition.

for first time in my life I care about the Red Corsairs

>>53628994
Do they have any special rules for 8th? I'm gonna be running my boys as WE because khorne but I really hope the Corsairs get something.

>>53629070
Huron actually looks good for a change, but red corsairs themselves didn't get any special rules like most CSM factions.

>>53629086
>>53629070
yup, but I hope they get something in the codex

what do you guys think about chaos bikers? loved them in the last edition (T6 XD and 2 melters for vehicle hunting ).... are they still worth using?

>>53629099
no T6 anymore

Alright, how does this look?

Fast attack Slaaneshi CSM, 1250pts

Lord w/ jump pack, twin claws - 106

Sorcerer w/ jump pack, force axe - 130

6x Noise marines w/ power sword, blastmaster, three sonic blasters, bolter - 140pts

6x Noise marines w/ power sword, blastmaster, three sonic blasters, bolter - 140pts

6x Noise marines w/ power sword, blastmaster, three sonic blasters, bolter - 140pts

6x Raptors w/ twin LC, 2x plasma pistols - 129pts

6x Raptors w/ twin LC, 2x plasma pistols - 129pts

6x Raptors w/ twin LC, 2x plasma pistols - 129pts

Lascannon Pred - 202pts

= 1245pts

6 x 6 units, which is nice and fluffy

>>53629099
they lost the toughness bonus but gained a wound

>>53625590
As a Slaanesh player with more Noise Marines than Chaos Marines I love the look of the new weapons, cheaper than before to bring them to the field and they're stronger too.
Assault 3 sonic blasters, heavy 3 single frequency and assault d6 varied frequency blastmasters is such an excessive amount of shot. Did I mention that d3 damage and AP -2 on single frequency blastmaster shots? Because that's beautiful.

>>53629234
Sexy, aren't they? What do you think of this list:
>>53629112

>>53629099
Chaos bikers != Nurgle bikers.

>>53629270
I love it!
Personally I think you should replace the bolters with chainswords on those 3 guys left without glorious noise and pop bolt pistols on the 3 Noise Champions to give them a little extra unf if you need it since they're free.
I also think you should drop the Noise Champ's Powerswords for Chainswords so you can afford an Icon of Excess in one of the units, I recommend a Raptor unit.

So what does everyone think about Plague Marines?

>>53629395
I wrote it in shorthand, so yes, all the champs have bolt pistols. I'm less concerned about the Icon simply because a lot of my local meta is non-Imperial, so I'll get less usage out of them.

>>53628735
>hurr why are my poorly trained shitty militia rabble not totally fearless

This shit is what fucked over 7th among other reasons

>stats are horrible...
Maybe quit jerking off to cultist-chan and actually read the fluff you'll see they are just normal crazed people. Why would they have 'good' stats?

>>53629631
I'm not sure, but I think he doesn't like Chaos?

>>53629564
They're still pretty good; resilient and well-rounded.

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>>53629631

>>53629610
Ah fair enough, lots of Imperium players at my store.
Looks good then.
>>53629631
>>53629679
Why are you so triggered?
Did you see the Primaris Marines get fucked by Deathguard in the Dark Imperium games on Twitch? Did you hear about Girlyman getting BTFO by Fulgrim? Is your store defaulting to Narrative Player with Tzeentch Players? Did you find out how many attacks Khorne Berzerkers can make?

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>>53629761
>Did you find out how many attacks Khorne Berzerkers can make?

Ooh yes! I've been waiting for this for thirteen long years...

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

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Thousand Sons list. Kinda wanted a land raider but it's so expensive

Fabius Bile can enhance any Chaos infantry now. Could be fun with Berzerkers.

New Abaddon model when?

>>53630031
Now

>>53629873
Shame you need Chainswords instead of Chainaxes, duel wielding Chainaxes would be sweet but there's no benefit.
>>53629895
>npc players
Xenos thread is elsewhere
>edge lord
Necrons have their own thread
>mcfaggot
Okay we have Slaanesh, fair point.

Something pretty awesome I just noticed.

Thousand Sons and Death Guard can only take specific units, while Emperor's Children and World Eaters can take whatever the fuck they want (aside from guys who can't take their Legion or the appropriate Mark)

Get REKT other cults take your better/more numerous cult models and fuck off

>>53630262

Well, it makes sense for fluff. Thousand Sons are all either sorcerors or suits full of dust. No normal dudes. Death Guards are all plagued, no normal dudes. EC and WE's cult troops are just regular guys from the legion with different weapons.

>>53629631
Words cannot express the quality of this bait.
Number, on the other side, can.
0/10

>>53630277
Sure, I like it, it makes sense. Also get REKT other cults! Suck it!

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Since we're getting chaos doritos, i started converting mine based on the space Crusade one.

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>mfw I played with a berzerker horde today

They're back bois!

>>53629648
Really? They cant take Missile Launchers or Lascannons so popping tanks is out of the question, Blight Launchers and Plasma Guns are okay but you only get 2 per squad and they are 8 points more than a regular CSM without feeling anywhere close to that.

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>tfw my footslogging pure Thousand Sons army is finally decent

>>53630408
>disgusting resilience
>extra point of toughness
>no different
whatever you say bro

>>53630440
How do they get anywhere? Considering dropping some rhinos maybe.

>>53630462
I didn't say there was no difference, I'm just saying those things haven't felt worth 8 points in my games. They can't do much to vehicles (except at close range with meltas of course) and bolters don't win prizes for their statline. Besides the blight launchers, flamers or plasma they dont seem to have a great deal of power behind them.

>>53630489
Hmmm, so there are PLAGUE MARINES and they are mostly good at killing INFANTRY

that's crazy dude, wow totally nuts

>>53630489

It's almost as if they're given an advantage and in return, are given a disadvantage.

Anyone got Kharn's new profile? Haven't been able to find it online.

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>>53630031
Fabius has only one purpose, and you know it.

Alright here's my dakka emp children list tell me what you think

also word up to all my noise marine fans in this thread!

Jump Lord - 93pts
Jump Lord - 93pts

10x noise marines w/2x blastmstr, 8x sonic blster, 1x dsiren - 270pts
10x noise marines w/2x blastmstr, 8x sonic blster, 1x dsiren - 270pts
10x noise marines w/2x blastmstr, 8x sonic blster, 1x dsiren -270pts

10x cultists w/auto pistols and brutal ccw - 50pts

5x terminators w/combi-meltas and power axes - 275 pts

3x rhinos w/combi-bolter,havoc launcher,combi-plasma -98pts

1x land raider w/twin heavy bolter, 2x twin lascan, havoc launcher, combi-plasma - 382 pts

total 1997 pts

The game plan is to have the lords hang out (or strike in) near everything else to grant their aura to all the units nearby while those units shoot the dogshit out of everything.

I'm not sure if the list will deal with heavy threats very well, I've got the land raider and the termies with meltas for hard targets but everything else but the blastmasters on single is just dakka.

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>>53630679

>>53628523
Land Raiders cannot take heavy flamers, that is worse

>>53630909
That is a big rough, but combi-flamer now lets you shoot it as a flamer every turn and it's pretty cheap (11 pts), so there's that

>>53631012
ah, I forgot that combi now works more than once

>>53630805
>people complaing that Kharn got nurfed
>4++ invun, grants re-rolls to hit (basically to one other unit in CC with him), gains extra attcks on a 6, and has TWELVE (12)!!!!!! attacks
people are silly

>>53631095
And with a combi flamer, you also get a -1bs bolter, becuase why would you ever NOT fire both parts of a combi-flamer>

Heldrakes CAN charge, right?

>>53631130
Seeing as rhinos can, why wold they not be able to?

>>53631130
Definitely. They're good at it too. They even get a bonus to melee other flyers, just like a giant dragon should.

Totally badass.

>>53631118
That's one of my favorite parts. Combi weapons went from garbage to fucking awesome instantly.
So great!

>>53631170
Ah fuck yes. some fagdick was memeing and said no flier could, i figured his claws were just a defensive attack which would be lame.

Heldrake's gonna be good at punching riptides, right? hitting nicely enough

>>53631110
I played a game with rhino rush WE vs thunderwoof spam, be really careful because although he's good at killing he can be killed on the charge. I tore apart one unit but then got pasted when his other unit charged me.

>>53626236
At 20 points a model w sonic blaster and guaranteed to shoot that thing even if he literally does nothing but die on the first turn, noise marines are arguably as good relative to the rest of the codex as they were with the kakophoni formation

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>>53631206
Oh, it can DEFINITELY charge and fight. 4 attacks at WS 3+, 7 STR, -1 AP, does D3 damage. You can drop stuff real quick with those claws, especially bitch made enemy flyers which you get a +1 to hit with the claws.

FUCK YEAH

>>53631226
Thats always been is thing to be fair: he is not tanky by any mesure, so has to rely on everything being dead.

>>53631237
hell yeah awesome. this is actually my list here >>53630774, what do you think? too much dakka? is there such a thing?

>>53631255
Humm. 4 attacks, even hitting on 2 +, most flyers having a 3+ by deult means half your wounds are going to be ignored anyway. Thats not so good

>>53630805
>Kharn cranked his pistol to 11 then broke the knob

Character appropriate!

>>53631256
True, its the one way he got worse, losing initiative means he has to be scared if winning combat and theres something he cant consolidate into but also is close enough to charge-and with some units having crazy movement, its not out of the picture to suddenly have some ravenwing or something cross the board and tear you a new one.

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Has anyone figured out how to set up their models in low orbit yet? Should I attach them to balloons until I need to bring them back down?

>>53631285
damn right

>>53631300
from what I can tell you say 'I set these guys up in low orbit" and leave them off the table until later

>>53631300
>warp talons
>in low orbit
>not in the warp
wat

>>53631300
rules simplification just meant that each faction has two names for deep strike and a new way of saying feel no pain.

>>53631300
Wait do Warp Talons benefit from Daemon HQ stuff?
They can ally to a Chaos God, so could a Warp Talon be allied to Khorne and get benefets from being near a Herald of Khorne if you're allying Marines and Daemons?

Does anyone know what a mark of chaos does now? Or have they lost their benefits?

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>>53631333
You can orbit while in the Warp cant you?

>>53631375
Does gravity work in the warp?

>>53631365
At the moment, they dictate your allegiance for daemon units in a detachment, and also dictate which Icon you can take

>>53631410
Yes?
No?
Maybe?
Sometimes?

Although supposedly draigo can walk from deamon planet to daemon planet, so maybe it works in a different way than we know?

>>53630320
I feel like the legs should be moved a bit further along the body, otherwise it looks like the bot is about to tip over

>>53631266
I like it quite a bit but you may want to shave a jump lord and a doom siren or the like and take lucius himself. He's a bad man for how little he costs.

Generally I'm not sure how great/worth its points the doom siren is now, but any 10 man squad of noise marines with a couple blastmasters and regular blasters should be easily capable of earning back its points

Is traitor guard still a thing in 8E?

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>>53631255
Time to convert my now useless Maulerfiends

>>53631467
>useless Maulerfiends

Useless? how so?

What about forgefiends, they more worth taking i hope

>>53627438

How does the 2 fight phase thing work. I felt like it was simple and I understood. But, I thought someone said the enemy gets to attack again too?

Anyone thought about Skarbrand with some Berzerkers? Those bonus attacks seem fun.

>>53631439
So you don't get +1T / +1 I or something like that. Bummer

>>53631487
I've heard they're slow now

>>53631467
Maulerfiends have been buffed like crazy man, what are you talking about?

Sweet conversion tho

>>53631467
What are you on about? They can charge on turn 1 with a sorcerer.

>>53631504
>M10
>slow
pick one

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>>53631467
No way! Maulerfiends are cool as hell now. Their magma cutters use the new pistol rules so they can shoot into fights, meaning that you get all your shooting attacks and all your fight attacks. Here's their data, forgefiend too.

I think they are both way better than they used to be

>>53631488
You do all your charges. Let's say you charge two different units with berserkers.

First you resolve your chargers who go first.

Then starts the alternating fight phase, with the active person activating first. So you can activate one of your two berserkers to fight again, however your opponent can potentially attack the second set of berserkers before they attack twice.

>>53631450
Awesome thanks for the tips! I'm not 100% sold on doom sirens either, on the one hand AP -2 on auto hits appeals to me, on the other hand I can totally see it failing me when I need it most.

I took it just in case the noise squad gets assaulted but in that case I think maybe having Lucius nearby to fight with them might be worth a lot more in the long run than just one overwatch with the siren, heh.

Has anyone had a chance to look through any of the other armies? Or am I the only one that's seeing this gratuity of shooting-during-combat abilities for chaos? Tons of special pistol weapons, lashes, flails, chains, etc. that seem to indicate that chaos will be doing a lot of dakka even while jammed into the opponents grill.

>>53631611
I saw the first 8th edition batrep by miniwargaming and the Nids were able to outshoot Chaos.

>>53631659
Yeah but the chaos player was Dave and dave is bad. Also matt optimized his list way harder than dave did.

>>53631659
Keep in mind he put weapons on his 'nids by mistake that they were not allowed to have, so you should take that game with a grain of salt.

>>53631552

So it's not exactly double your attack stat. But kinda

Thought I was over complicating. Thanks

Skarbrand, Kharn, 20 berserkers. Enter the blender

>>53631659
The nid player took nothing but the best units and the chaos player did the chaos thing and charged his prince at the tervigon rather than the things with three wounds that he shouldve. If he murdered the warriors and raveners with his prince like he shouldve, he probably couldve won

>>53631659
50 power battle and he had half of it wrapped up in 2 models. Dave is an idiot.

Can you imagine how differently it would have gone if he'd brought 2 AC/HB preds instead? Or some Forgefiends?

>>53631467
Wouldn't doing this be modeling for advantage since it's lower to the ground than the standard drake + flying base? I mean it's fucking awesome and all and I'd definitely play with and against it but I feel like some turbosperg would pitch a fit about it being lower.

>>53631931
I think it's a maulerfiend and not a heldrake.

>>53631917
Or berzerkers. I don't know why he tried to run a shooty khorne list with two CC HQs on top of it. Hell, he could have done what Matt did and loaded his CSM squad with better weapons since they were doing power levels and free upgrades but he didn't.

>>53631659

>Matt acted like a huge WAACfag

Shocking desu

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>>53631446
Im trying to replicate the Space Crusade dread

>all these excuses

You better get used to sucking Tyranid cock in 8th edition

>>53628375
Ideally I'd like to see several csm books:

Traitor Legions (the OG 9)

Renegade Warbands (Crimson Slaughter, Red Corsairs, the Purge, etc., plus rules for your dudes and their own warband)

A Daemonkin codex with flavorful special rules and detachments for each god.

I haven't seen much talk about Daemon Princes.

Khorne Prince with wings and 2 claws has 11 attacks and great mobility. Worth the points?

Do Bloodcrushers still suck? I wanna run them beside my WE and they look rad as fuck

>>53632063
You'll get one book and like it. How else will they have time to make another Loyalist marine codex?

>>53632063

I'm really curious to see the first codex, because it'll give some sort of indication as to what degree of bonuses Legion/Chapter/Regiment might give.

I actually kind of like the new "free" mark system, because previously you had to do stuff like buy MoK on Havocs in World Eaters armies. Though I would like to see a higher tier of dedication buyable for HQs and Chosen and such.

>>53631955
For the same price as a Prince and Defiler he could have parked a pair of Forgefiends next to a base Lord and blown chunks out of the tyranid MCs. Hades Autocannons are no joke.

>>53632063
Expectations

Reality:

>Khorne Daemonkin ignored, there is only WE now
>Slaanesh gets fuck all Fabius wil not be mentioned once.
>Death guard sold as a separate stand alone book to rake in the extra jewgold
>Tzeentch get things, but their psychic powers suck balls, much rage ensues

>Crimson what..? Oh you mean the old starter box guys? yeah we can't monetize them anymore, sorry.
>Purge? Oh but dearest nurgle players you already have our Death guard!
>Red Cor-whats? You mean Huron? yeah no new for him model. ever.
>implying gw will ever do custom rules
>Have some Black Legion instead. Plastic Abbadon never!

Yours faithfully, Games workshop~

>>53632340
Fabius is already in the new index

>>53632114
Joke's on you, I play loyalists

>>53632374
Yeah but he will get to do nothing even with the upcoming EC release with Fulgrim

And his model will forever be garbage

and he will never be as 1337 as Cawl despite doing his " i want to build super marines" job for longer and not being a character they pulled out their arse

>>53632443
believe in the power of chaos

>>53632443
What? Fabius is fine at the moment.
I mostly play Emperor's Children but with the update of 8e I'm tempted to grab him.
I wouldn't even be able to run him in anything bigger than a patrol since most of my army is Noise Marines.

>>53632624
I have mixed feelings on Bile for the new edition. On the one hand, he can boost more units now, and the idea of getting an entire Khorne army to be super swole is awesome. On the ither hand, having them all line up to get shots to do so feels off, and also is hard to have benefit anything in transports or deep striking, which is where your elite assault units that would benefit most would be.

>>53632829
Nah nah nah, you field Fabius and two troops of CSM, marked with Slaanesh, Icon of Excess (provided you're fighting Imperium) and kitted out with Chainswords. Then field Elite units that deep strike in, and deep strike them next to Lucius so they get the buff straight away, so turn one, move up and buff, turn two, move up and buff, turn three, move up and deep strike and buff and charge if your can.
This requires some tactical movement and careful planning, and a bit of bad luck will spell the for you, but it could work I think.

>>53632926
oh my lord that was a lot of spelling errors I apologise for my stupidity I'm drinking and doing drugs, not hard drugs mind you just very small amounts of opium and mugwort

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>>53632966
Doomrider gives you a seal of approval, and wishes to know if you want to share.

mugwort tho? why for?

>>53632443
Fabius is our most likely source for those rumored "chaos versions" of the new primaris

>>53632992
I mix them so the more expensive and stronger opium lasts longer and mugwort has a relaxing effect on it's own, the two together are nice and when I run out I can smoke mugwort on it's own, not even illegal, mugwort can also go into tea.
It's a very mild high but I enjoy it for what it is.

>>53633092
>>53632992
Oh and I totally would share if I could but I can't just chuck it through the warp at you, sorry.
Mugwort is legal though, find a hippy shop that sells incense and ask if they stock it or just buy it from online herb stores, feels good to smoke and isn't too bad as a tea.

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>>53633125
I work in the mines and get tested fortnightly, sadly, so my debauchery is strictly substance-free these days, barring my alcohol abuse

>>53625313
My investment in five helbrutes will finally pay off. Have a warpsmith in the center to repair them and charge forward.

>>53633165
but...
it's mugwort.
It doesn't stay in the system that long, it probably wouldn't even show up in a drug test. Ask your supervisor or something, it's probably fine, it's supposed to have some help with "divination magic" and aids lucid dreaming but I just smoke it because it relaxes me.

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>>53633215
Not worth the bother of asking, the people here are nazis about it and all i do is sit in a computer room monitoring pressure and gas composition. If i asked about it i guarantee i'd get tested twice as hard for the next six months. I take three months off a year and get wrecked for two of them in SEAsia before purging my system again, its an alright life

>>53633334
I just checked it for you, Mugwort doesn't show up in drug tests, the chemical they'd be searching you for is found in absinthe

>>53633375
Maybe i'll grab some for next time i'm drunk and wanting ciggies

>>53633448
Yeah man, it's a good substitute for weed.
I mean I have weed but I'm running low and I have a thing to do tomorrow so I'm not smoking it but this is good too.

>>53625099
wait so what is that gk weirdo with the whole thing about being so incorruptible he can wield a daemon sword without using it's daemon powers holding now.

>>53630147
If I understand correctly, you can make 1 attack with a chainsword to get an additional one. So we take sword+axe, and make all attacks but one with an axe, right?
Man, imma need a whole bunch of axes.

>>53633675
>s user ap- d1

>>53630320
Wow, this simple addition makes legs so much better. Is that from a Sentinel?

>>53632037
>implying I won't gladly take Nid dick after all the suffering they have gone through.
I'll give them a good fight though!

What's a good setup for a Terminator squad? I'm thinking 1 Reaper Autocannon, 1 Combi Flamer, 1 Combi Melta?

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How long until chaos undivided marines that don't look like manlets?

>>53633775
Stick with one combi-weapon type, melta if you expect to kill multiwounders and plasma for slaughtering troops. Reaper's always good, too

>>53633820
till fabulous bill gets off his ass and dissects a guillimarine for heretic use.

>>53633833
Should I just get 1 Combi-plasma, and leave the other 3 with default loadout, or go with 4 Plasma?

>>53633873
I would use a champ with chainfist/combiplas, an autocanoneer, another dude with combiplas and power weapon, then two redshirts with combibolters and power weapons-that way you know who to kill first.

>>53631300
Do they get an additional attach for each claw or what? So it's 1 base+1 for charge, 1 for two weapons and 2 for lightning claw rules, right? With re-rolls.

>>53632094
Bloodcrushers are actually pretty good considering they got a 4+ base save back and hellblades are strictly better power swords

>>53631548
>new pistol rules so they can shoot into fights, meaning that you get all your shooting attacks and all your fight attacks.
Holly shit, that means I can shot with boltpistols on my Raptors? That make them actualy not useless.

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What do you think of this list?

(The listbuilder didn't have berzerkers so I had to improvise)

>>53632443
I mean. Cawl is about to make new primaris from fallen legions geneseed. This would be the perfect place to have Bile go:"Lol, nope" and take over those new legions.

Why did Kugath get removed from the daemons codex? Should we expect a new GUO/Kugath kit in the future? Will it be paired with the respective CSM release like the thirster and LoC were? Does this mean we're finally getting N'Kari and a new Keeper kit?

>>53633722
Thank you anon!

Yes, those are sentinel leg bits :)

>>53632966
>not hard drugs
>opium
please anon, pick one

>>53634742
I'll totally do something like that. I already have 4 gundreds with sentinel legs and autocannons from an aegis.

>>53634755
Yeah I don't know what he's on about, all opiates will fuck you up, especially opium itself.

>>53634777
maybe he's a true Slaaneshi and opium is small time.

Need some of that fine warp dust.

>>53634678
Looks nice.

Have i lost the ability to take vindicators, raptors, obliterators and havocs in my deathguard army!??!

Any thoughts on the GBS?

>>53635479
No, why would you?

>>53625516
how does that fit for custom chaos warbands though? Would that substitute for the legion name

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>>53635509

>>53635479
You can take them, they just don't get the Death Guard keyword.

>>53629761
You mean the 244 theoretical (though impossible) attacks with one full squad?

Does the mark or nurgle no longer give +1 Toughness?

soooo... am i the only one seeing that i could build a detachment with <WORLD EATER> berzerkers, thus making them troops, and <DEATH GUARD> plague marines, also making them troops? yes, the lord's abilities would only work with his own legion marines, but i could make the battlefield roles of said units troops with just declairing them from their respective legions, instead of, say, black legion equivilants?

>>53635655
Havocs, Raptors, Vidicators and Obliterators have the <Legion> keyword. That table is incomplete.

>>53633694
no im pretty sure it just means 1 attack from a chainsword grants you a bonus attack with it for that round. you can use the rest for the axe, but i dont think the bonus will jump to the other weapon

>>53635725
marks no longer do anything at all... yes, boring AF

>>53635787
Wow, not sure if deathguard are any good anymore, looks like my warpsmith and oblits are being shelved.

>>53635914
yeah... the plague marines have all the trimmin's in-build, but for everything else, there is literally no difference between a chaos marine of khorne, and one of nurgle, with the exeption of what icon they can choose, and what effects can target them (fx. plague spells)

>>53631548
So Magma Cutters vs high armor save low model count/vehicles/MC's and Lasher Tendrils vs hordes, right?

Does anyone have a ruling on whether a daemon prince with two sets of malefic talons make +6 attacks with them? What about warp talons? Do they get an extra attack for each lightning claw?

>>53635741
Except that's the same phrasing of restrictions that the loyalist marine book uses to say what Blood Angels or Space Wolves can take from the vanilla codex

Thousand sons list

This one comes is right around 2k give or take a warpflamer or 2

Magnus
Exulted sorcerer on disk x2
(Rubric marines x10) 2 squads
-soul reaper cannon
-warpflamer
-force Stave
-warp flame pistol

Scarab occult terminator 3 squad of five
-force swords all around
-inferno combo bolters
-soul reaper cannon
-hellfire missile rack

You have 14 smites a turn, NOT counting Magnus, so you can just shit out mortal wound for days and just nuke any character your opponent has, and just slaughter them with gunfire

Plus rubrics get a +1 if it's a single shot weapon so bolters you get a 2+ on

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>>53636490
they give him +1 attack for 1 set, or +3 for two set. my arguement is the word "instead" in the sentence.

>>53636754
Yeah I agree for the daemon prince having two malefic talons gives you only +3 attacks, but for warp talons I see no reason why a second lightning claw shouldn't allow you to make a second additional attack with it

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Ideas to refine this Thousand Sons list? Really hurts having to use hellbrute fist instead of power scourge which I feel is better but I just can't shuffle the points around very efficiently

>>53630805
What happened to his blessing to resist psychic crap?

>>53636972
Fuck tzangors take somethat that give you more smites. Abuse the hell outta the ability to shit mortal wounds like opera and cars.

Hell at 2k I would say try to take Magnus he's brutal drop the hell brute, demon prince, and Ahriman for him

>>53631931
First, punch that dude in the nuts,

Second, lift your model in the air to estimate actual line of sight,

Third, punch yourself in the nuts.

>>53636867
i agree with you. plus, RAW is pretty unambiquitous

>>53636867
you get the extra attack for having two lightning claws not per claw

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>>53624174
Anyone else gonna break out their Brass Scorpions for the new edition? This thing looks fucking unstoppable.

>>53637488
They look a little glass cannony

>>53637488
Depends on the exact point cost, but I was already planning on getting one over a knight

>>53637532
It has twenty wounds and moves like Speedy Gonzalez. Barring literally everything in the enemy army ignoring everything else I doubt it will have problems reaching the front line.

>>53637679
20 wounds is a decent amount...for a Spartan. This thing is more expensive and it has a worse save.

It will reach the front lines if you go first. If you don't it won't live to see turn two.

>>53637783
>What is Warptime

>>53637853
You are failing at reading comprehension. Try again.

>>53635741
read the text

>>53637853
That's still a lot of eggs in one basket, I think you would be better off running something else. It's gonna suffer the same problem that Titans do, now that we are in 8th.

>put down shinny big model
>all enemy units focus fire
>remove from table

I mean a land raider ultra is going to rip it apart

>>53637895
Presuming you're dumb enough to just run it out in the open and do nothing to support it with your other units yes, that could happen. The new deepstrike rules make it really easy to shove a distraction Carnifex right in your opponent's face.

>>53638050
This is still dependent on you going first, and also dependent on you finding something more intimidating than the scorpion.

>>53635968
Wow bland as fuck. This is generic greater daemon levels of blandness

Csm got shafted again I wonder if loyalists keep thier chapter tactics as well as relic weapons while marks of chaos became pointless and daemon weapons are gone

Hey folks, thinking about starting a CSM army for 8th and made this list. Can you look it over to see if there are any mistakes? It should be 1791 points if I did everything correctly. What should I add for the last 209 points?

<HQ>
-Daemon Prince - Malefic Talons x2, Warp bolter, Wings - 189
-Sorcerer - Terminator Armor, Force Axe, Combi-Flamer - 167

<Troops>
Chaos Space Marines x10 - Chain Sword x7, Plasma Gun x2, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol - 167
Chaos Space Marines x10 - Chain Sword x7, Melta Gun x2, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol - 175

<Transport>
Chaos Rhino - Havoc Launcher, Combi-bolter - 83
Chaos Rhino - Havoc Launcher, Combi-bolter - 83

<Elites>
-Helbrute - Twin Lascannon, Power Scourge - 165
-Helbrute - Helbrute Fist w/ Heavy Flamer, Power Scourge - 172

<Flyers>
-Heldrake - Baleflamer - 198

<Heavy Support>
-Forgefiend - Hades Autocannonx x2, Ectoplasma Cannon - 211
-Maulerfiend - Magma Cutters x2 - 181

So now that princes are pretty dead, what are the HQs everyone's looking to use? I'm going to use a lord and a sorc most of the time now

>>53638305
If it makes you feel better, chapter tactics are gone too. At least, for now...

>>53638381
Some havocs with lascannons could be handy for blatting really big stuff at long range.

>>53638428
>princes are pretty dead
Are they? Why? To answer your question though, I think a sorcerer is almost compulsory, the dark hereticus discipline is great.

>>53638381
You don't really need the sorc to be in termi armor nor does he need to have a combi flamer if you aren't going to combo him with other deep strike troops.
You wan't the sorc close to cast warp-time to make your dudes charge in a turn they wouldn't otherwise be able. Doing so will place the sorc out of range of his flamer so just give him a regular combi bolter to lay down the dakka.

Maybe add some havocs with lascannons, like the other anon sugested, or a squad of raptors / warptalons to kill off something on the enemies flank.

>>53638305
Relics are coming in codeices

My attempt at a Black Legion terminator strike:
(1492 Battalion Detachment)

HQ -
Terminator Lord (Power fist, combi-bolter) 144
Terminator Sorcerer (force axe, combi-bolter) 158

Troops -

Chaos cultists (close combat weapons, flamer) 59

Chaos Marines (x10) (2x plasma gun, combi-plasma, Icon of Vengeance) 181

Chaos Marines (x5) (meltagun, combi-melta) 111

Dedicated Transport -

2x Rhinos (havoc launcher, combi-bolter) 166

Elites -

Chaos Terminators (x5) (2x paired claws, 2x combi-bolter, 2x power axe, heavy flamer, powerfist) 232

Chaos Terminators (x5) (paired claws, 3x combi-meltas, chainfist, reaper autocannon, power fist, power axe) 290

Heavy Support -

Chaos Predator (Predator autocannon) 151

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>>53638677
what are people even talking about "real codexes"?

where's the proofs? why even bother releasing indexes if "real codexes" are coming?

do people just mean shit like additional datasheets?

>>53638754
>a predator with no sponsons

for that same price you could have a vindicator with a better single gun

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>>53638784
>why even bother releasing indexes if "real codexes" are coming?
So that people can fucking play the game until they come out you donut

>>53638471
>>53638605
Ok so I changed up the Sorcerer and added some Havocs which gave me another 114 points so I got some Spawn in there as well.

<HQ>
-Daemon Prince - Malefic Talons x2, Warp bolter, Wings - 189
-Sorcerer - Force Axe, Combi-bolter - 108

<Troops>
Chaos Space Marines x10 - Chain Sword x7, Plasma Gun x2, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol - 167
Chaos Space Marines x10 - Chain Sword x7, Melta Gun x2, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol - 175

<Transport>
Chaos Rhino - Havoc Launcher, Combi-bolter - 83
Chaos Rhino - Havoc Launcher, Combi-bolter - 83

<Elites>
-Helbrute - Twin Lascannon, Power Scourge - 165
-Helbrute - Helbrute Fist w/ Heavy Flamer, Power Scourge - 172

<Fast Attack>
-Chaos Spawn x3 - 99

<Flyers>
-Heldrake - Baleflamer - 198

<Heavy Support>
-Forgefiend - Hades Autocannonx x2, Ectoplasma Cannon - 211
-Maulerfiend - Magma Cutters x2 - 181
-Havoc x5 - Lascannons x4 - 165

Total - 1996

>>53638605
Different anon here, given the sorcerer will be left standing around on his own after the terminators Warptime away, I'd give him termi armour over a jump pack for the added survivability.

>>53638784
The fact GW have explicitly made mention that the indicies are -temporary- on numerous occasions. They're there to give everyone a ruleset for the models they have on day 1, given the radical changes to rules, stats, weapon profiles etc.

>>53638987
Spawn are nice, but I'd drop one to put a couple of basic bolter dudes into the havoc squad for bullet-eating duty.

Also, did you drop the terminators, or just forget to copy/paste them?

>>53639067
Never had termies, thinking I should add some?

>>53636725
>Thousand sons list
>This one comes is right around 2k give or take a warpflamer or 2
>Magnus
>Exulted sorcerer on disk x2
>(Rubric marines x10) 2 squads
>-soul reaper cannon
>-warpflamer
>-force Stave
>-warp flame pistol
>Scarab occult terminator 3 squad of five
>-force swords all around
>-inferno combo bolters
>-soul reaper cannon
>-hellfire missile rack
>You have 14 smites a turn, NOT counting Magnus, so you can just shit out mortal wound for days and just nuke any character your opponent has, and just slaughter them with gunfire
>Plus rubrics get a +1 if it's a single shot weapon so bolters you get a 2+ on
Rule of one hahahah

>>53634445
There is no +1 for charge anymore.
There is no +1 for two weapons anymore

>>53634445
it's 1base +1 for each weapon. so total of 3 attacks

>>53638987
Same anon here.

My friend who I'll be playing the majority of my games with plays Orks and he loves to spam Ork boys. Most likely bringing 150 of them.

How exactly as a chaos player would I deal with that?

How are warpsmiths looking this edition? I noticed they can take a mark of chaos now and the ability to split fire all of their guns sounds pretty damn good considering the sheer number of guns they can field at once. Their curse seems kinda weak though with the sheer number of wounds every vehicle has now.

>>53625099
What mod is that?

>>53639553
GLORIOUS KHORNEBROZERKERS AND MAULERBROS OF COURSE !

>>53639205
Smite is explicitly exempted from rule of one

>>53639277
I've got a feeling khorne hordes are going to be incredibly powerful bc of their relative advantage in attack #s now

>>53636244
Seems about right to me. I'm just looking forward to getting into melee with something and still being able to shoot even though they can't shoot back. Going to be hilarious

>>53641000
From what I've heard they absolutely tear through shit now that our transports can actually deliver them.

>>53630774
>>53630774
>>53630774
Any of my chaos brothers have any thoughts on this list? Considering dropping the doom sirens for something else maybe

>>53638406

Why are princes dead? 11 attacks + flying seems strong. Reasonably priced

>>53642464
Yup, remove all this slaaneshi things and load it with some khorne

>>53641000
>>53642406
Anyone got insight on how the chainaxe+chainsword combo actually works ? Do you get 2 axe+1 sword attacks or 2 sword +1 axe attacks ?
Questions is: RAW you can make 2 attacks with a chainaxe and you get one from chainsword, but most RAI posters seem to think you have to make a chainsword attack to get the extra one

What's your interpretation ?
Is it better than having bolt pistols, now that you can shoot them in melee ?

>>53642915
MAIM KILL BURN

>>53642464
I'd probably ditch the raider and just drop the termies if you were gonna put them inside it.

>>53642947
It just says each time this bearer fights, not fights with this weapon.

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Will this be ok for my beginner 1000 point night lord army?

1 Chaos Lord Terminator
10 CSM
2 Contemptor Dreadnaughts
- Lascannons, Autocannons, Meltas, Fists
1 Leviathan Dreadnaught
- Grav Bombard, Drill


Im trying to avoid getting units that might get the Primaris treatment in the future. Suggestions welcome for other shit i might need to add.

So is this the right way to build these guys?

Khorne Berzerkers x10 - 196
-Chain Axe x9
-Chain Sword x9
-Power Fist (switch to whatever you want really)
-Plasma Pistol

>>53643294
Looks pretty good. Be sure to budget for a transport.

>>53643286
>Termies and dreads
>In a night Lords army
NO

>>53643364
Whats wrong with them?

Im not well read on the lore. I figured since they sold those models it was fine for Night Lords.

>>53643364
>>53643438
Termies are good, high command puts on their terminator armour then teleports down into the midst of the enemy and messily, loudly kill them. Not so much Dreads, they're not common NL stuff. If you want dreads do a different legion, DG and IW are more dread-oriented

>>53643294

Only 10? Fuck no

Go 20 and have Kharn with them. We are trying to spill some blood here!

>>53643438
It is. In the fluff they don't use as many but the NL absolutely have dreads and will employ them. Add them if you want.

>>53643485
>>53643533
It was already going to be a 'my dudes' off-shoot army so its not a huge deal for me.
Im more strict in avoiding chaos mutations and the like.

No comment on any glaring weaknesses in my list? I feel like im missing speed but dont want to splurge on airplanes just yet.

>>53638987
I'm the guy who made this list. Is there a way to ditch the normal marines and replace them with Berzerkers and still have it be a valid list?

>>53630805
So, what are the odds that Khorne Berzerkers will get a shiny new kit like DG and TS? I really want a horde of berzerkers but not if they're going to look like outdated baby marines in a few months.

>>53643670
Iron Warriors might fit your playstyle more, night lords are fast and sneaky with lots of raptors and such, no slow wlkers, whereas Iron Warriors are full-on footslogging, through artillery if need be. Plus they're the other anti-chaos traitors, so no mutations everywhere. If i can make a suggestion, taking the elite-based detachment and running:
>termie lord
>terminators
>contemptors
>Leviathan
Might work better for you

>>53643743
Consider running WE if you really want them, but no sorcerors

>>53643764
Yea i was considering Iron Warriors a while ago, but the spoopy-bloody night lords attracted me more.

The main reason im so heavy on dreads right now is that im planning on buying most of the infantry at truescale size. So ive had to stock up the heavies to play with till we get more news on chaos undivided updates.

>>53629086
>but red corsairs themselves didn't get any special rules like every faction.
ftfy in case some autist who hasn't read any of the indices spergs about it

>>53643861
Chaos undivided won't be getting new marines for a very, very long time-chaos releases are usually in a yearly cycle, and we went khorne, tzeentch, now nurgle, likely slaanesh next, then back around to khorne to redo infantry. After that you might, might have a chance of getting non-cult new models, but thats upwards of three years minimum.

>>53634755
>>53634777
>>53634907
I said opium but it was honestly just poppy seed pods dried and cut up then spun in with the mugwort, wasn't refined into opium yet, still affects you but not as much and when it isn't refined yet it's legal for some reason. Well it's technically illegal to own a certain amount, if I had 25 or more plants it'd be counted as criminal here due to "intent to sell", but I don't own that many.

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>>53625313
I'm gonna have to since fucking Forge World aren't releasing rules for Ferrum Infernus or Sonic dreadnoughts.
>All models will get rules*
>*But only Loyalist Astartes count :^)

>>53627881
>>53627903
>>53627916
>>53628625
>>53628772
>no ferrum infernus dreadnought
>no sonic dreadnought

>>53628735
R&H rules will be in the Forge World Index for IG.
>but why not Chaos?!
because they get all the same toys so it's easier to put their rules in the IG book

>>53639205
are... are you retarded?

How the fuck do we deal with shit like conscripts without snipers?

>>53644712
Berserkers do the job.

>>53644712
they have shit saves and t3, just murder your way through them in hand to hand. drawing them into melee also forces them to pile in so they contract in space to open up other lanes

>>53640951
I remember the same but I don't see it in the Psychic phase now that I double check. Was this mentioned elsewhere?

>>53640951
>>53644610
Not the guy you two are quoting but unfortunately (as a TS player this pains me) you are the retarded ones.

Read Psychic section, 2. Make Psychic Test: last sentence, "A pysker cannot attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once a turn".

This is aside from the issue of the Psychic Focus rule saying non smite cannot be attempted more than once per turn by the entire army. We don't even get to try again if the first try fails which means excess ML isn't even able to be used as backup attempts, they are just completely wasted.

So that list could pump out 8 smites and 3 dark hereticus powers per turn. 3 ML's would be wasted per turn (1 per exalted sorcerer and Magnus since the most optimal way to cast is 1 smite per unit and use the excess ML on the heroes to cast the chaos spells.)

>>53645142
Actually, I was wrong. The original list guy misquoted the number of smites he expected and that mislead me. The exalted sorcerers are only ML2 so only 1 ML is wasted (Magnus' third) but again most of those smites are 1/d3 versions and if failed could be very clostly for little gain.

>>53637333
someone didnt correctly read the warp talons entry it seems.
They have a different weapon with different rules from regular lighting claw that just happen to share a very similar name, read it again! (protips, the ruling is +1 attack per each lighting claw, not per Pair)

>>53644879
They have a 4+ in cover against shooting, and they're immune to moral with a hidden commissar. They're also 3PPM, so 150pts of conscripts will mathematically tie up a 20man blob of CSM with Chainswords that are worth well over twice its points for the entire game because the Marines will on average only kill 11 per fight. That's 3 whole turns where a 150pt blob ties up a 230+ point blob, and that's being generous and rounding down thanks to pistol shots.

>>53644712
That's... a really good question.
I don't see any reasonably way for us to reliably snipe bubble wrapped buff characters.
Maybe sorcerers? Psychic powers don't have the same targeting restriction that characters do.

>>53645502
At best we can hope to get lucky with Maelific Visions, but we can't smite them if they're bubble wrapped for the same reason we can't shoot them.

Question about Chaos Lords. Does their re-roll 1's ability apply to THEMSELVES as well as any units within 6"?

I feel really bummed about Chaos for this coming edition. I've got about 4000 points worth of stuff (going by 7e), but it feels like a lot of it is way to different and bland.

No marks, no icons, no relics, no variety of psychic powers. Some of my units are actually just illegal now since they apparently aren't getting rules or are undersized.

I was even planning on splitting the Dark Imperium box with a friend to use the Chaos stuff for some extra dudes and conversions, but I can't even get excited over that.

The Lord in the box has a giant axe with buzzsaws on it and I want to do something with it, but unless I run their basic snap-fit lord profile I'm stuck with it being a normal power axe, because hell if we can have something on par with a Thunder Hammer without it being a unique relic

>>53646234
I've been leaning towards yes, they have their legion keyword and are within their aura range of themselves, also note because I see everyone talk about kharns rerolling in CC for his aura, but the rule states hit rolls, not restricted to any phase so looks like he rerolling his over charged plasma pistol along with and world eaters in range for shooting

>>53635655
Wait, so no:
Helbrutes
Heldrakes
Obliterators
Mutilators
Terminators
Havocs
Chosen
Spawn
Bikes
Raptors
Vindicators
Defilers
Warpsmith
Dark apostles


Well fuck.

>>53646446
Nah mate you can still use other units in your army with the same faction keyword (the most broad one being Chaos), those guys you listed just don't get any benefits like aura buffs from leaders that trigger on units with the keyword Death Guard.

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So here is my list:

<HQ>

-Chaos Lord on Juggernaut - Power Fist, Plasma Pistol - 152
-Chaos Lord on Juggernaut - Power Fist, Plasma Pistol - 152

<Troops>

-Khorne Berzerkers x20 - Chainaxe x19, Chainsword x19, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol - 350
-Khorne Berzerkers x15 - Chainaxe x14, Chainsword x14, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol - 265
-Khorne Berzerkers x15 - Chainaxe x14, Chainsword x14, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol - 265
-Khorne Berzerkers x15 - Chainaxe x14, Chainsword x14, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol - 265

<Elites>

-Helbrute - Helbrute Fist, Power - 155

<Heavy Support>
<Aircraft>

-Heldrake - Baleflamer - 198
-Heldrake - Baleflamer - 198

Total - 2,000

>>53646362
That's exactly why I'm asking; Chaos Lords are cheap as fuck now and running one alongside a unit of Havocs with plasma guns and champion combi-plasma inside a Rhino with combi-plasma means I can disembark within 12" and dakka the FUCK out of stuff on overcharge without worrying about blowing up. THEN charge the victims with the Lord to tie them up for a turn, then Fall Back and blast them some more. If the Lord gets re-rolls then I can take a Plasma Pistol to be an even bigger shithead.

>>53630440
For real? I've always wanted to do this but thought it would be noncompetitive. How does it work out? Who did you play? Who is it weak against?

>>53625516
Nice table terrain!

>>53625640
Reaper autocannon for csm terminators and helbrutes only do 1 damage. Loyalist autocannon is same amount of shots and strength, but do 2 damage. No idea what they were thinking and it better get fixed in the codex.

>>53643756
Not sure. I know the rules are crazy for them now.

>>53643117
I got to use it against space marines today and LR definitely needs to be protected against charges if you plan on getting much shooting accomplished with it. That being said it's tough as fuck and packs 4 lascannons now instead of two twin linked. It's pretty awesome.

>>53644328
Are we sure sonic dreads are definitely off the table?

>>53643286
>beginner
>contemptors
>leviathan
you best be joking with that pay2win forgeworld shit

>>53646357
Man I dunno what you're talking about chaos is fucking amazing now

>>53646707
There's no reason the lord shouldn't also benefit from the rule. He's a unit, he shares the <legion> tag and he's friendly. Those are the only requirements to his reroll rule.

>>53647470
lol, ok.

Ill make sure my next army is nothing but cultists.

>>53647646
Don't forget to add some extra fluffy Brass Scorpions!

>>53646446
And this is why I'm going World Eaters. That and I have like 40 berserkers.

>>53648053
I will instead be running Black Legion with Vanguard formations full of berzerks in rhinos led by Abaddon. It is really awesome to be able to profitably combine my favorite character and units.

>>53648376
That's actually an option too. Terminators and raptors drop, zerkers ride/slog. Could work, I might consider it. Was planning to go Eaters, but Kharn sucks now.

>>53628625
It´s the Archmagos Draykavac and his Abeyant sled ported to 40k.

>>53643286
NIGHT LORD
>spam dreds
You have failed the Night Hunter, expect punishment.

>>53648427
That is pretty close to what I am planning. Terminators deepstriking along with a terminator sorcerer for warp-time. Combi-meltas or flamers unloading and then charging in. Add some heavy weapon platforms like predators and possibly defilers supported by a chaos lord for rerolling 1s.

Kharn is pretty strong, but I don't like that he needs to be within 1" to get his buff since it also enables him to hit your own guys.

Opinions on Hellbrutes:
1. Plasma cannon is worth it? kinda, can kill primaris, can kill you.
2. Is it best to run pure choppy/shooty dred?

>>53648549
Since their autocannon only does 1 damage, I think it is best to run Lascannon or just go full melee. Plasma could be cool since it can trigger his ability, but it is probably best to use other options.

>>53648625
Shame we cant mix shotas on them, like Hbolter and Autocannon, just that stupid missile.
One question, when I count points Itake stock vaule, add base weapons and than whatever I chose to? Or stock and add upgrades?
Vehicles seem pricy and maybe its cuz we count points wrong??

>>53648709
Cost=model price+all weapons you are taking. Profiles say which weapons it comes with, but you still have to take them.
Missile launchers are actually one of the best weapons in this edition, but I don't know if it is worth taking them on helbrutes. Definitely making havoc squads full of them though. With rerolls from nearby chaos lord or Abaddon it will be very good.

>>53649191
>>53649191
>>53649191

JOIN THE NEW THREAD FOR THE GLORY OF CHAOS

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Newfag here. I'm thinking of getting into 40k with the new edition. Can I now mix Khorne Chaos demons freely with Khorne CSM and Cultists and stuff and still got the Battle Forged Army Bonus, since they all belong to the same faction (Chaos)?

I'm confused about the ruling of Battle Forged Armies. As far as I understand it, as long as my units have the Chaos Faction keyword they can all be taken for a battleforged army detachment?

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>>53648495
As i said, i dont want to use manlet marines.
Manlet marines arent scary anymore in the face of the loyalist scum and their big guys.

They make dred models in night lord trim, thats good enough justification for me.

Be glad i decided agaisnt a knight and didnt cheap out buying mutated hellbrutes.