>PC sees Paleocene animals within within setting. No problem.

I've never once encountered this.

I always alter my prehistoric beasts somewhat.

I mean, you don't expect a Tyrannosaurus to stay completely still evolutionary in 65 million years, do you?

You fucking retard.

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>>53617715
>I mean, you don't expect a Tyrannosaurus to stay completely still evolutionary in 65 million years, do you?

Wouldn't be the first time.

>>53617715
In the setting, it's not a 65 million year old species. Just gotta put it in the right niche.

I find raptors work better anyway. Stalk the PCs for hours before striking, fur/feathers to taste.

>>53617780
>land conditions are as stable as deep sea conditions

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>>53617339
>"Anon, there's more time separating Humans from T-rex than there is separating it from Stegosaurus and Allosaurus! I mean come ON!"

Not for long there isn't! http://goblinpunch.blogspot.ca/2013/10/dinosaur-clerics-new-class.html

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>>53617339
I actually thought about this since I've got a mix of dinosaurs in my campaign.

Any player autistic enough to point this out should realise the game is set in a fictional fantasy world where things didn't need to evolve like they did on earth. Obviously.

>using a setting that doesnt have trilobites

ISHYGDDT

>>53617339
>"I know that's the case on Earth, but I'm still haven't decided if the setting is more than 20.000 years old."
>"I also haven't decided if DNA exists. Probably not, as souls have a metaphysical code which performs the same function."
>"Fuck, I'm currently researching obsolete theories of gravity to see if there is anything more interesting."
>"You don't expect a setting like this to perform acording to real life, right? I mean come ON!"

>>53622164

What would a trilobite PC race be like??

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>>53625397
>What would a trilobite PC race be like??
This is a question worth exploring...

>>53619228
Brachiosaurus is about to get it on.

>>53619228
>travelling backwards in time is dangerous because of dinosaurs travelling forwards
Shine on you crazy diamond

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>>53617339
>90 million years between Allosaurus and T-rex
>65 million years between T-rex and humans

Holy shit, I never realized the age of dinosaurs lasted that fucking long.

>>53626018
I normally visit this board for MtG, but if this is the kind of shit that happens, I may need to get into tabletop RPGs.

>>53626065
Until we started pulling carbon out of the ground and burning it we were on track for the end of all plant life within 5-600 million years. Dinosaurs really were rulers of the world at its biological peak.

>>53626018
This sounds like a setup for a Calvin and Hobbes campaign. Spaceman Spiff engaging in running time battles against dinosaur wizards would have been great to see Bill Watterson illustrate.

>>53626065
>Holy shit, I never realized the age of dinosaurs lasted that fucking long.

The majority of our planets history has been spent during dinosaur times.
I'm talking: dinosaurs, no polar ice caps, huge bugs, average global temperature of like 27-37 degrees Celsius, and grass only evolved like 25 million years ago.
Grass is super modern, think about that.

>>53626224
Multicellular life has existed for less than half the life of the planet, but yes, dinos dominated a majority of the current eon.

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>>53626202
>Until we started pulling carbon out of the ground and burning it we were on track for the end of all plant life within 5-600 million years
What was going to happen? Would the plants run out of CO2 to breathe?
>Dinosaurs really were rulers of the world at its biological peak.
Damn, Tolkien was right, the ancient world really did have all the wonders but it's never coming back.

>>53619228
My nigga Trex looking miniscule.

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>>53626343
Yeah pretty much. CO2 levels in the Pleistocene were already edging towards plant starvation. That's why humanity didn't develop agriculture any earlier - plants simply didn't have enough CO2 to provide harvests that made farming better than hunting and gathering. The global warming scaremongers almost did the very thing they were allegedly trying to prevent by forcing carbon emissions down as we head into another glacial period.

Picture unrelated but the idea of a modern setting with dinosaurs made me think of a Martini-Henry with spear bayonet as being a reasonable weapon against large dinos, especially with a modern AP pointy bullet instead of a lump of round lead.

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>>53626456
>CO2 levels in the Pleistocene were already edging towards plant starvation. That's why humanity didn't develop agriculture any earlier - plants simply didn't have enough CO2 to provide harvests that made farming better than hunting and gathering

Where can I learn more about this?

>>53619246
>land

>>53626505
I'm with this guy. I want to know more.

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>>53626343
>but it's never coming back
Not with that attitude.

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>>53626456
>the idea of a modern setting with dinosaurs made me think of

You even so much as mentioning that made me loudly hear the phrase DINOSAURS AND CADILLACS in my head and now I need to make sure the world is aware of this early 90's series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr2iQ96em2w

>>53626505
Second

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>>53626527
Links and PDF related.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2486.1995.tb00009.x/full
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_Earth (ctrl-f 600 million)

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>>53617339
>"Anon, there's more time separating Humans from T-rex than there is separating it from Stegosaurus and Allosaurus!
>>53619228
>Not for long there isn't!
I know, right?

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>>53626566
>check in /tg/ before bed
>get nostalgia
>worth a meme

>>53618889
>hey coach, why are those goalposts suddenly moving?
>i dunno son, that's pretty weird

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>>53626669
>In about one billion years, the solar luminosity will be 10% higher than at present. This will cause the atmosphere to become a "moist greenhouse", resulting in a runaway evaporation of the oceans. As a likely consequence, plate tectonics will come to an end, and with them the entire carbon cycle.[12]

>Earth only has a billion years of habitability left

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>implying dinosaurs weren't mostly wiped out somewhere in the medieval period

>>53626776
Al Gore says it's less.

>>53626776
>>53626669

Never mind that, what about this:

"The Earth is passing through an ice age known as the Quaternary glaciation, and is presently in the Holocene Interglacial period. This period would normally be expected to end in about 25,000 years. However, the increased rate of carbon dioxide release into the atmosphere by humans may delay the onset of the next glacial period until at least 50,000–130,000 years from now. "


>Global warming is the anti-hero; protecting us from a new age of horrible ice and cold.

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>>53626224
>Grass is super modern, think about that.
fun test, include grassy knolls in your pre-historic settings and see if anyone notices

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>>53626813
>>Global warming is the anti-hero; protecting us from a new age of horrible ice and cold.
I like this idea.

>>53626505
>>53626527
>>53626598
He's talking out his ass. https://phys.org/news/2017-03-co2-due-climate-agriculture.html

Basically, a climate skeptic leaving out important factors that will result in increased problems instead of being a good thing.

CO2 levels played a minor role as a single factor in increased food yield, but what gave rise to agriculture was whole host of factors and really depended on region. In the Levant it was long dry seasons which favored grains and tubers, while in east Asia it was increasing pressure on natural resources.

Domestication, along with increasing populations, along with changing whether patterns and alterations to climate, slight increase of food yield due to CO2, and several other factors gave rise to agriculture.

In addition, the future isnt looking too bright in the area of nutrition from the minor increase in crop yield. Loss of nutrition due to oversaturation of CO2 (a gross oversimplification), loss of water and rainfall due to restriction of water vapor from crops will lower yields. Its not exactly a pretty picture. More food (sortof), but less nutritious.

>>53626776
It gets worse - the Milky Way may be ending its age of star creation. We only have ten billion years or so to migrate to a younger galaxy.

>>53626813
Continued carbon emissions are a good thing. It's the non-CO2 pollution you have to watch out for, like mercury and radioactive particles emitted by coal smog.

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>>53626851
>loss of water and rainfall
Shouldn't that be offset by the ice caps melting? :^)
>loss of nutrition
Greenhouses use boosted CO2 levels to no ill effect. You're talking what, 600ppm before that becomes a serious issue?

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>>53626851
>>53626943
Woo! GLOBAL WARMING FIGHT!

>>53626943
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140507-crops-nutrition-climate-change-carbon-dioxide-science/

Were hitting the limit very soon. As in sometime mid century. Greenhouses were using what we are now sitting at. Any more and nutrition among many crops starts going down.

>>53626997
Doesn't seem like a fight, just skepticism and rationality blowing a cultist the fuck out

>>53627022
>sometime mid century
According to what model, RCP8.5? The "model" that shows the world burning twice as much coal as actually exists by 2100? The NatGeo article is light on actual proof so unless you feel like paying for access to Nature and posting the PDF, find a different source.

>>53627150
Im just repeating what the researcher said since I don't have access to the actual paper linked at the beginning. It could be later or sooner, but I have to rely upon the researchers involved.

>>53627175
So you've got no actual evidence and you're just using appeal to authority. Got it.

>>53626808
Not just Al Gore. Current human species life expectancy is calculated on 10,000-100,000 years max.

Of course, technology and different ways of living can safe us, but as it is now, we march into the grave.

>>53624745
>having your setting be older than 5000 years old
>ever

>>53627197
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
>It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus.

Huh, would you look at that.

From wikipedia
>Argument from Unqualified Authority
>Argument from Unreliable Authority
>arguments from authority are fallacious if there is a lack of "good evidence" that the authorities appealed to possess "adequate justification for their views.

The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy similarly states that "Fundamentally, the fallacy involves accepting as evidence for a proposition the pronouncement of someone who is taken to be an authority but is not really an authority. This can happen when non-experts parade as experts in fields in which they have no special competence—when, for example, celebrities endorse commercial products or social movements. Similarly, when there is controversy, and authorities are divided, it is an error to base one’s view on the authority of just some of them.

As to the last part of that, the consensus among scientists who study climate is that it's real, we're accelerating it, and its going to be bad for us.

Nice try using a fallacy, but you got it wrong.
And now i'm only going to post shit actually relevant to the thread which is about dinosaurs and prehistoric animals in RPG systems.

>>53627325
>ackshully this authority is good and shall remain unchallenged!

>>53619228
>Littlefoot . . .

>>53626065
>Holy shit, I never realized the age of dinosaurs lasted that fucking long.
Same here to be honest.
>>53626224
>Grass is super modern, think about that
Fuck. You guys can't keep blowing my mind like this.

>>53627325
>Similarly, when there is controversy, and authorities are divided, it is an error to base one’s view on the authority of just some of them.

>As to the last part of that, the consensus among scientists who study climate is that it's real, we're accelerating it, and its going to be bad for us.

It sounds to me like there's a controversy here and the authorities are divided. Because the only reason that scientific "consensus" exists is because the other authorities are discredited and suppressed. Nice try.

>>53627292
March into the grave, or shed our mortal cloth and rise... Virtual.

>>53626566

Fact #1: That cartoon was based on a comic called Xenozoic Tales.

Fact #2: The Xenozoic Tales comic also had a roleplaying game based on it.

I have given you this information /tg/, what you do with it is up to you.

>>53626855
>jump from planet to planet, from galaxy to galaxy
>become space gypsies
>specialise up to that
>become tyranids

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>>53627847
>>53626065

I got another one:
Redwood Trees are MUCH older than you would expect and date back to the Jurassic where they evolved in an attempt to get Brachiosaureses to fuck off.
Brachiosaureses are gone now and Redwood Trees persisted because nothing could touch them.

>>53627314
>not going through multiple mass extinctions and civilization resets

>>53627851
The controversy is about shit like whether humans cause most of climate change or all of climate change.

Just like controversies about evolution is about whether this bone or that bone shows the clearest evidence of X evolving into Y over time.

>>53626224
>grass only evolved like 25 million years ago.

Umm, what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poaceae#Evolutionary_history
Before 2005, fossil findings indicated that grasses evolved around 55 million years ago. Recent findings of grass-like phytoliths in Cretaceous dinosaur coprolites have pushed this date back to 66 million years ago. In 2011, revised dating of the origins of the rice tribe Oryzeae suggested a date as early as 107 to 129 Mya. A multituberculate mammal with "grass-eating" adaptations seems to suggest that grasses were already around at 120 mya.

>>53628148
>further highlighting the uselessness in fine of the campaign

>>53617339
>"It's not a T-rex, Dave, it's a Tyrant Lizard and it's being ridden by a man in a leopard-pattern kilt, tattooed chest and saber-tooth skull helm, wielding a spear hung with bones and teeth and that burns with transparent flames."
>"Now do I have to go into how Creation is not the real world AGAIN, or are you gonna wrestle him?"
>"What do you mean the mount OR the rider?"

>>53628111
Redwood forests are the dopest shit I've ever had the pleasure of witnessing in person.

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>>53628324
>"Now do I have to go into how Creation is not the real world AGAIN, or are you gonna wrestle him?"
>"What do you mean the mount OR the rider?"

I remember reading somewhere that the T-rexes' arms weren't actually weak and could be used to do anything from: clutch onto mates or even do a "push up" to help them rise from a snoozing chicken position.

>>53628372
Yeah, tyrannosaurs could probably rip your fucking head off your body with those tiny claws.

They clearly had an evolutionary value.

>>53624745
What's wrong with a setting that functions by different rules of physical reality?

>>53628372
Technically, animals in Exalted use the Martial Arts skill to attack with, given they can't use weapons. Sooo it's a bit of a stretch, but given this is Exalted, if I say he's the scaly offspring of The Rock and the Hulk Hogan, that's what he is!

Besides, he can wrestle with his feet. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

>>53628389
Or they posed no drawback that could be selected against. You still have a vestigial tail.

>>53627964
I think every sufficiently advanced, spacefaring species would be space gypsies for the same reasons.

>>53626855
It gets even worse - Due to galaxies (other than andromeda) accelerating away from us, we may never reach another galaxy. Eventually all galaxies will be so far away from us that the sky will be dark and the only thing we can experience outside our galaxy is an eternal void.

Here have an video all about it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4yYHdDSWs

>>53628852
Other big theropod dinosaurs like Carnotaurs literally had stump arms with barely any muscles in them.

>>53618889
>every fantasy setting is literally Earth

>>53617715
Evolution is a myth

>>53626855
>>53626813
>Ice Age in 50,000 years
>Oh shit global warming is good I guess

Global warming is moving so much faster than natural changes in temperature, the idea that the two will "balance out" is akin to saying the best way to keep your house warm in the winter is to burn it down.