Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Marine vehicles are too expensive

Post Imperuim I pdf, anons.

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First for the Omnissiah

So what are people saying about the new detachments? Do you think tournaments will force the vanilla battalion/brigade detachments?

I'm trying to think of why I shouldn't just take a Spearhead Detachment so I can spam heavy support, why take a CSM squad when I can make them all Havocs instead?

>>53612399
Honestly, vehicles are not the issues. Hordes are. You have weapons that are strong against MCUs and tanks, but there is no weapon that specializes at killing hordes. Even high quantity not AP weapons are just as good at chewing through 3+ saves.

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4th for fingers crossed.

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>>53612369
Who here is using Leman Russes and transports for their Guard army?

With how cheaper Scions, Bullgryn, infantry, heavy weapons squads, Basilisks and Manticores are I don't really want to use my Chimeras and Russes.

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rate

Is a Crusader knight worth taking in an Admech list for crowd control /tg/?

>>53612435
Twin assault cannon razorbacks are the way to go for fighting hordes imo

Wounds gaunts on 2s, no armor save, 12 shots a turn. Granted that's still 100 points to kill like 40 points of gaunts a turn but that's the best we can do.

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Do you think Felinid will join the tau?

>>53612435
Whirlwhinds that do 2D6 shots with Str 6 and don't need line of sight for just 115 points seems pretty effective against hordes though.
Terminators with storm bolters can also help, teleport next to a big unit and unload 40 storm bolter shots in rapid fire range.

>>53612435
fuck they really screwed a lot of the anti-infantry weapons, stuff that had AP5 now has nothing.

sonic blasters ignore cover but not shitty armor, so the nids/orks/conscripts might as well be in cover.

>>53612497
Oh boy 2d6 shots

So that's 7 shots which still have to roll to hit

Razorback for 100 is a gauranteed 12 shots

>>53612498
Combine that with Guard having a 15 point Psyker that can give them +1 armor it's 50 4+ saves to chew through.

What's so scary about 5" moving melee hordes?

>>53612471
That's still only eight dead. Which is like forty points worth of gaunts. With the same weapon, you are likely to kill more or less the sam amount of tacs.

>>53612520
They can run too, and it's that anti-horde weapons are not very good. A lot are D6 plus having to hit. Some might be 2-4D6 but if they are they are low strength. Like the other anon said, Assault Cannon seems pretty solid now on Razorbacks. 12 shots hitting on a 3+ and wounding Nid and Guard hordes on a 2+ is pretty worth it.

>>53612444
I would buy in a heartbeat senpai. Pursuit of ever stronger engineering is the same reason I like Chaos Dwarfs in Fantasy.

So is my best start for Thousand Sons just a Sorceror kit and 2 boxes of Rubrics?

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8th ed is dead on arrival 40k is over

>Welcome to "GW's rules writers got lazy!"
In this episode we look at Tank Vs Tank weapons:
Hammerhead Rail Gun:
Heavy 1 S10 AP-4 Dd6 plus D3 mortal wounds on a 6 to hit. A weapon that averages 3-4 wounds without factoring BS, but has the unique potential to score a devestating killshot. Awesome!

Onager Neutron Lazer:
Heavy D3, S10 AP-4 Dd6 and can never roll below 3 damage. The highest average D.P.T: 8 damage per turn before factoring BS. Awesome!

Leman Russ Vanquisher Cannon:
Heavy 1 S8 AP-3 Dd6 with a reroll

...Wait what?

Yes, the old melta rule made sense for the vanquisher cannon, as it essentially was designed to guarantee a penetration when you hit. But because the rules were copy-pasted from the melta rules without any critical thinking, the gun now runs with a pitiful average damage, a pitiful 50% chance to wound the very vehicles it was designed to kill, and the only consolation prize is a reroll-take-highest to damage which actually only puts it on par with the neutron laser...but only one shot, not D3.

>This has been "GW's writers got lazy!" Because thinking about how a unit should work...is hard work!

>>53612540
You can still kite melee units all day.

>>53612435

SOB seem like one of the few factions that can deal with hordes well.

The ability to have 8 heavy flamers and 2 combi flamers pop out of a rhino helps.

>>53612534
With the same weapon you're likely to kill like 3 tacs?

It wounds them on a 3+ and gives them a 4+ armor save. It wounds gaunts on a 2+ with no armor save.

>>53612512
Does the Razorback also shoot at units up to 72'' away ?

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Played a 4155 point game of Tactical Escalation yesterday against Death Guard anons what are you up to? And finally ready for a batrep? Got my images all resized at last and be prepared for stupid blob fights and a battle of attrition against Nurgle and the Traitors.

>>53612555
Yeah see how well that goes for you while they spend only a tiny fraction of their army chasing yours all the way into the corner.

Why are Harlequins top tier?

Hey. Im new at the game, I just brougt the Dark Imperium box and im planning to use the Primaris, what else should I add to deal with my friend's Necrons? He has the Necrons Start collecting stuff plus a Monolith.

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I'm torn on what I should start on for 8th: Kroot, Khorne Daemons, or Guard

Thoughts?

One thing I noticed in Dark Imperium was that there was no mention of existing Marines being upgraded to Primaris.
I think this must have been a late addition to the fluff as they foresaw the butthurt coming in existing characters couldn't keep up with the Prime boys.

>>53612581
Yes please and thank you.

>>53612554

The SOB exorcist isn't too bad there. d6 shots, Str 8, AP -4, d3 per hit.

Not the most reliable damage but it's got a lot of potential and carves through tank armour well. Especially backed up by BS 4.

>>53612564
Nine hits, six wounds, three dead. That's 39 points of tacs, compared to 40 points of gaunts, discounting any gear you may have.
>>53612559
As above, it's not that those weapons are extra effective against hordes. They are just good weapons overall.

>>53612554
The vanquisher is literally beaten by the battle cannon as an anti-tank gun and costs more points.

>>53612553
why?

they did kinda dumb it down/sigmar it, but at the same time they fixed a lot of retarded bullshit. now assault units can actually assault from their transports, now vehicles don't get popped by a lucky lascannon, and for the love of god now plasma pistols are only 7 points, can be used in CC, and won't kill you unless you use their neat supercharge ability.

>>53612450

My Bullgryns will be seeing a lot more play, now that they have their 2+ save and power mauls that can get through armour saves.
I'll be putting sponsons on all my Russes too.

>>53612581
Woking on a bunch of Vanguard. Go ahead.

>>53612431
>nobody responded

time for take 2

*ahem*

HAHAHAHA NOW I CAN SPAM ALL [CHEESE UNIT] LITERALLY WHY EVEN TAKE VANILLA DETACHMENTS, I WILL WIN EVERY GAME WITH MY [SPAM DETACHMENT] PROVE ME WRONG. YOU CAN'T.

>>53612553
>t. Buttmad 40k hater
Keep playing warmachine/infinity/whatthefuck ever son

>>53612629
My Bullgryn too. Don't forget to pick up an Astropath or 2 for 1+ Bullgryn armor. That really puts them on par with the Brute Shield against -3 weapons. Plus ignoring cover bonuses on units with the Astropaths ability will help Russes kill shit.

>willingly playing against cheese
Why do this? just ostracise them

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Any mistakes on this Thousand Sons list?

It's mainly things I find cool.

>>53612592
Khorne cultist guard with also Khornate Kroot alies?

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>>53612450
Now that LRs aren't so good for their price they were practically must haves, I'll be looking into recreating the drop troop army I had during 5th edition. As soon as the FW index is released, Vultures for days.

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>>53612638
>>53612608
The warband of the Death Guard laughing with joy especially their winged Daemonic leader unleashed their zombie hordes and though the Imperials had time to dig in the Death Guard gained to upper hand and struck first.

>>53612450
I'm using leman russes for my marine army, they're cheaper than predators.

Another thing to consider is that AP gets more effective the higher armor is, as opposed to lower AP being useless before.

To wit, reducing 2+ by one will double your ability to harm enemy, reducing 3+ will increase your ability to harm them by 50%, while going from 6+ to nothing merely nets you around 20% more victims.

So any weapon with AP value is better against higher armor targets than it's against lower armor ones.

>>53612682
I mean, I'm planning on doing them all at some point, I just need to decide on what I want to do first

>>53612459
Admech loses Canticles if every model in the list doesn't have the rule in a battle forged army.

>>53612647
Cause command points will matter more than you think, having an odd number sucks.

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>>53612486
40k art direction won't allow for cute catgirls, so I'd rather keep them as a fantasy.

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>>53612705
The Daemon prince flew into cover and used his powers of the warp to increase his own strength and resistance to weaponry as the hordes of Chaos advance. The throaty roar of bikers was soon followed by the stuttering fire of heavy bolters as they fired on the marching Guardsmen missiles flying from Havocs into a Wyvern stunning it so their zombie hordes would make it to the enemy.

>>53612738
It says "Detachment" not "Army", so you can just get yourself one of the Lord of War FoCs tacked on or pay a CP for a Vindicare or something.

>>53612592
I wonder if Ultramar Auxilliaries have the same design as Severan Dominate guard. The design would be so good as the new generic guardsman.

>>53612680
Hmm, what's your thought on Warpflamer vs Soulreaper. I think that flamer costs three points more, they have same damage and strength, Soulreaper is -3 Heavy 4(2.66 hits on BS3+) while flamer is Assault D6(3.5 average) auto-hits.

>>53612682
go with guard, they added some nice neat stuff for them.

Are the new rules on the community, store or BL page?

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Hey /40kg/,

I have some ork questions:
Whats the best starting point for an Ork army? I was thinking 2 squads of 20 boys.

Are Killa Kans still worth taking or have the new vehicle rules made them too flimsy?

I heard bikers are trash now but how about Stormboys, Burnaboys and Kommandos?

>>53612793
Heavy Warpflamer is actually Heavy D6.

Are helbrutes less shit/ worth it now? I've been dying to run a walker heavy list with maulerfiends and helbrutes and it seems possible at the very least

No Ironhands referenced with the Primaris Marines? Couldn't see them in the art work and was pretty sure Whitescars, Salamanders and Raven Guard was?

>>53612814
The start collecting boxes are a good deal.

Vehicles are generally a lot tougher in the new edition

Stormboyz and Kommandos can charge the opponent turn 1 if you can roll a 9 on 2D6 with reroll.

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The vanquisher is now worse at anti-tank than the standard russ, isn't it?

Against a T 8 Sv 3+ target...

Vanquisher: one shot, 50% hit, 50% to wound, 83% past saves, 4.5 average damage roll, 0.94 average wounds.

Battle cannon: D6 shots, 50% hit, 50% to wound, 67% past saves, 2 average damage roll, 1.17 average wounds.

Anyway, I need to decide which army I'm going to work on getting painted. Which of these looks best in 8th.

Orks: fuckload of models already painted, but not enough of them basic infantry. I love converting vehicles and have a couple of kits to work on. Got some damaged and unbuilt deffkoptas I can fit into bomb carriers, some infantry that I can make into kommandos and I'm not sure what else is good this edition... stormboyz? Bikes? Kustom Mega Kannons?

Admech. Got twenty basic infantry, ten sicarians, tech priest dom, three ironstriders, robots and Cawl all my painting desk at the moment. All except Cawl are ready to be used and have basic block colour and metallics done, just need highlighting and detail work. If I go with these, probably going to grab the SC box for enough more infantry to split the current squads into smaller ones which, with the dunecrawler and another TPD will qualify for a brigade detachment. Also got a couple of the wargames exclusive titty-tech priests which still need assembling.

Genestealer Cult. Not got much for them, just the deathwatch overkill dudes, plus a bunch more purestrains, couple of broodlords and a rockcrusher. Would probably get some neophyte hybrids to round them out, but feel maybe I should wait and see if they get a SC box because they are expensive as fuck.

>>53612618
> vehicles don't get popped by a lucky lascannon

Do you have any idea how armored combat works IRL?

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>>53612771
Other side of the board. And side note there wasn't an unpainted thing on the table which was awesome

>>53612848
The start collecting box for the orks is shit since you don't get enough boys in it

>>53612682
Imperial Guard if you don't see a lot of other Imperial players. Khorneflakes if you do.

If you go Kroot then it's only a matter of time before you go Tau...

>>53612816
Heavy warpflamer doesn't seem to be worth it with just one more Str. You'll never get in range with those slow terminators, regular warpflamers also have -2 AP and can be fired after Advancing, and the Soulreaper cannon fires 4 shots already.

>>53612793
Warpflamer is 15pts and does well as flamers do.

Soulreaper cannon is good for ranged and costs 20 points.

I wanna have both cuz it makes the unit balanced IMO

>>53612814
Get Boyz, would HIGHLY recommend finding a lot of them on ebay or other trading site, then get a couple boxs of burnas/lootas and boyz, you can use the loota weapons on the boyz bodies as they are the exact same.

a Get Started box is also a great idea

Kans are much better than they have been in a long time so they arent too bad of a buy

I have no idea why Bikes are being said that they are bad now, they should actually be better unless the points are insanely more

>>53612849
You forgot one minor thing: Many of the vehicles with 3+ saves the Leman Russ Targets have 5+ invuln saves. Knights and Onagers in particular come to mind. So the extra AP of the vanquisher becomes null and void. Hell, if your fighting Kastelans, you could make the case that a Battle Cannon's AP-2 is better because he's using the armor save and can't reflect the shots back at you. (Although does it say if you can choose which save takes priority? Or do you get to choose?

>>53612846
There are Primaris Marines of Ferrus's lineage.

>>53612858
>I play a game with miniature plastic army men that I paint and then use a ruler to have imaginary battles with on a miniature crafted world for the realism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsRN78qMxM

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Did I make any mistakes? My LGS is starting a new league on Wednesday so I want to be ready.

>>53612777
I've been working on a design for Ultramar Auxilia, posted my idea for it before I believe. Severan Dominate models would make it a good bit easier, though I'd still have to model the shoulderpads to look like segmentata.

>>53612898
Nvm, looked it up. The opponent can choose which save he makes.

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>>53612871
>>53612848
>>53612890

I actually got a bunch of Ork stuff for cheap from someone getting out of the game back in December.
I've got:
40 Slugga Boys
20 Shootas
10+ Burnas
5+ Rokkits (Tank bustas I guess)
15 Storm Boys
10 Kommandos
10 Nobs
A Warboss
2 Big Meks
2 Meks
3 Kans
2 Battle Wagons
1 Trukk
6 Bikers (2 nobs I think)
Ghazzy + 2 Mega Armoured Nobs.

I'll be in an escalation league and I'm not bringing unpainted models.
The escalation is approximately 750 points to 1300 to 1850. I have no idea what would work with what I've got. I've just painted up a bunch of boys with sluggas.

I notice I'm missing Dreads, Flash Gits, and Lootas. Should I grab some?

>>53612912
Why do you think they were left out of the paint schemes? Too similar to Raven Guard?

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Mega download link for the dark imperium novel when?

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>>53612870
The men of the Anglican 3rd had faced worst and although some of their number were already facing the effects of Nurgles gifts they would not be cowed. Guardsmen advanced to protect their armor from the Daemon prince's charge if necessary with their own bodys and heavy artillery repositioned themselves to face the new threats. Battle cannon shells,plasma cannons and even the dreaded Volcano cannon opening fire on the Traitor lines and combined with a salvo of lasguns the dreaded plague bikers were obliterated with only their lord surviving and all around the table Marines and their zombies fell.

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Reposting for posterity, r8

>>53612814
I'd go with one squad of thirty and one of ten rather than two of twenty. Two squads of twenty lose the bonus attacks after two casualties, but the thirty boy block can soak up ten before it has issues. It also gives a Ld buff to nearby units. Basically, always go either minimum or maximum size with ork boys and minimum with everything else.

Some grots to fill out your troop slots and hold objectives can help.

Killa kans actually got quite a bit tougher against most things. They are also one of the few units with decent BS and decent weapons in the ork list.

Bikers aren't great, but I wouldn't call them trash. They are still a functional assault unit.

Stormboyz look pretty good. A five-boy squad is cheap as hell and can cause some damage or grab objectives pretty good. Kommandos are similar, although you need to take burnas and keep them minimum sized to make them worth the points.

Burnaboys are dubious. Really fucking delicate, but able to do decent damage and get around stuff with hit penalties. Absolutely need to be put in a transport vehicle. Either a battlewagon or a trukk will work; I'd go with trukk purely because you don't want to sink too many points into a unit which might struggle to use it's weapons.

>>53612858
Do you have any idea how insane Warhammer 40k is and how asinine it would be to apply muh realism to this game? If you want realism, play historicals.

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Best way to use Bullgryn this edition?

I'm thinking Power Maul, Slab shield and maybe 4 in a Chimera. With how many D3/D6 Damage weapons out there I feel like giving them the transport might be nice. Maybe have another transport with Scions/Vets with a Platoon Commander and an Astropath for a +1 armor save.

Or would it be cheaper to just walk them up the field but have more of them.

>>53612944
This depends mostly on who you ask but I would grab the Gitz or Lootas then Dreads

The Gitz are definitely more reliable and have cooler models but the amount of high str wounds that Lootas can put out is intense

Halberds or swords on GK?

>>53612898
You get to choose.

Speaking of everybody's favorite boops, what's looking like the best way to run them? Heavy phosphor all around for a 110pt gunboat that delets marines like bubbles, or fists?

Also, thoughts on protocols? They seem really damn good this time around, as a 2+/4++ or double shooting/punching every turn. What's looking like the best option?

>>53612947
They weren't.

So is the best loadout for a 10-man Rubric squad a soulreaper cannon, 2 flamers and the rest bolters?

>>53612988
you could probably get away with just hiding them behind tanks, saving them as countercharge units

I'm a little bummed my three can't pack themselves into my solitary taurox anymore, though. With its short ranged guns it definitely wants some kind of protection.

>>53612959
Why are you reposting such a bad list

Don't keep posting something that you're only fielding because you're forced to due to the models that you have

>>53613036
>not taking all flamers to get the best overwatch bait ever
Pretty disgusting desu

>>53612858
IRL is irrelevant.

It doesn't make sense in the settle, Its not fucking fluffy at all, a single lascannon could get lucky and destroy a vehicle

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>>53612951
The Plague god's warriors reformed from the barrage of Imperial fire and continued their march. The Plague Biker Lord laughing as he moved forward to reap the souls of the Imperial dogs as Typhus cursed the teleporters for making him land so far from the battle. And with the spread of Nurgles unholy gifts and the fire of the advancing traitor Marines the Lord jumped into combat crushing poor conscripts and using his unholy weapon to reap death while the Daemon Prince waited to strike.

>>53613005
I prefer a mix myself. Some swords, some halberds, at least one daemonhammer. Falchions also don't look as bad as they used to now that they're free.

>>53612944
Dreads don't look great in the new rules, although the models are great.

Lootas are kind of an odd option. They are reasonably good against rhinos and have enough range that you can actually avoid a lot of incoming fire, but they also work in a battlewagon, which makes them survivable and allows their guns to be fired on the move. Unfortunately, they are quite expensive for what they offer. Flash gits are similar, but lack the range and have overall better firepower. In order to get value out of your battlewagons, you probably need to put one or both of these units in them. Both kits are nice, although the FG one is newer and cooler. Personally, I'd take 5 of each.

>>53613044
What do you mean it can't pack in there anymore? It still has 10 spots and 3 Ogryn/Bullgryn only take up 9. You even have room to add a Commissar to help with Battleshock and some melee weapons to help beatstick with them.

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>>53613088
The longest combat of the game right here.

>>53613095
taurox prime can only transport scions, commissars and inquisitors

>>53612948
Here, let me spoon feed you least you have to do one search too many and start hyperventilating

http://www.mediafire.com/file/dvac5z3f2kfc8zy/dark_imperium_guy_haley.epub

>>53612988
If you're looking to actively assault with them, valkyrie.

Anyone got a clear picture of the Death Guard vectorums?

>>53613067
That might be worth it on one unit, but if everything has warpflamers you'll just be kited to death.

>>53613112
Oh you just said Taurox not Taurox Prime so I was confused.

You couldn't put Bullgryn in a Taurox Prime from the get go in 7th though. I mean I guess you could have deployed both out in the open then had the Bullgryn get in.
>>53613121
Could be good. I do have a Valkyrie, but I don't like the model or using it.

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Does anyone have link to full art?

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>>53612977
>>53612989
>>53613093
Thanks for the help!
I'll start with 30 Sluggas+Choppas and then either another 10 of them or 10 shootas.
I'll look into getting Flash Gits, I do love the minis.
Alternatively, I did get a bunch of leftover loota bits so I could just grab the start collecting and turn the boys into lootas.

>>53612590
help

>>53612554
Not to mention that GSC gets vanquisher with S9 because of faggotry.

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>>53613159
I hope not!

>>53612920
>>53612987
>>53613072

You are all autists that get triggered when you see IRL in the same sentence with 40k.

When a vehicle is penetrated assuming no major damage has accured on the systems inside the vehicle , the crew inside would either turn to mash or horribly disfigured and wounded. The crew would immediately try to bail out and tank is left stranded.

>>53612486
Other side of that galaxy desu

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>>53613223

FW indexes, who have?

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>>53613235

>>53612719
This is why gauss flayers became the best basic troop weapon in the game.

Also S and T changes fucked Pulse rifles.

Anyone having any luck with Land Raiders? I feel like with the prevalence of first turn charges they are overglorified tanks. May as well get a baneblade for the points. If I want to protect my precious units I will keep them in teleport reserve.

What squads can you attach Vulkan He'stan to? Since there are no Chapter Tactics anymore and Vulkan's 6 inch aura is so miniscule I was thinking of putting him in a squad with Sternguard or something in a drop pod.

>>53613235
>thinking the Imperium knows fear

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>>53612748
>Remember the felinid thread from a few weeks back
>Started out as furry bait but brought out a spark of old /tg/ and became rather fun
>Never going to get a proper release of felinids because GW doesn't want to acknowledge they exist more than a few mentions in the abhumans section

>>53613301
With the rising cost of vehicles and transports, I feel like this edition will be infantry and deep striking the edition. As a Guard player I'm half tempted to not even bother with transports.

I've heard however that Land Raiders are really hard to kill.

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>>53613235
>Why doesn't my silly science fantasy game follow rules for modern tank combat?!

Why do girls like Tyranids so much?

>>53613110
More anon!

Beautiful looking battlefield and armies.

>>53613330
good question...

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>>53613245

>>53613330
they want to be raped by the xenomorph
lots of girls are secretly fucked up

>>53613005
F A L C H I O N S

Normal GKs only have 1 attack each. You want the second knock. Yes, even with a Paladin Ancient standing next to them.
For Terminators you want Warding Staves instead, since they're basically Force Staves with a melee-only Storm Shield.

>>53613330
Same reason they like animals. They are cute and are doing what their instincts tell them. Not some gay """"brotherhood"""" of big and bigger gay space knights that only care about how much they have each others backs.

Also impregnation fetishes and surrogate mother feelings.

>>53613330
They're cute. That's the real reason.

>>53613308

You cannot join characters to squads? Or are you saying what unit would you usually put him near?

Couple of Tyranid queries

Is mawloc really only 104 points, I feel like I have missed something. yes its attacks are miserly but 12 wounds + burrow seems very good.

Stinger Salvo Is the cost already included or do you have to pay separately, I assume pay separately but I am curious why they use different wording.

>>53613036
I'd give the Sorc a flamer pistol because D6 auto-hits in melee is awesome.

>>53613059
Because I'm looking for pointers to make the list i do want to take, because i like the models, have a more competitive edge? Running the same shit as everyone else because it's the /best/ your army can do is boring desu.

>>53613330
deep down women see themselves in the tyranids. With long glistening claws they rend and reap deaths of men, and turn genetic material they gather into biomass.

>>53613363
Stinger salvo must be paid seperately

The mawloc is 105 base since you need to add the prehensile pincer tail. there's confusion on whether you can or can't upgrade it to have toxin sacs for one more point, the points list says you can but the datasheet disagrees.

>>53613363
Pay separately, but have to take it.

>>53613361
Can I not put him in the same droppod as my Sternguard? I thought someone said you could

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>>53613110
The Guard's long awaited reinforcements finally arrived to the field. Well kind of,with a Scion command squad immediately having to wait and reposition their teleporter arrays after almost landing on top of the Marines. While Rough Riders and Scions arrived the humble battle cannon scored the first unit destroyed as their combined fire obliterated the infested Marines. All throughout the Guard lines firepower opened up. With lasguns targeting zombies and heavy ordinance targeting the heavily armored legionnaires but in the swirling melee the Guardsmen held their own and would not break.

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-Succubus; Glaive, S. Pistol, Phantasm launcher
-Wyches ×9; Agoniser
-Raider; Shock Prow, Disintegrator

-Archon; Blaster, Agoniser
-Warriors ×9; Blaster
-Raider; Shock Prow, Disintegrator

-Scourges ×5; Blaster ×4
-Scourges ×5; Blaster ×4
-Hellions ×10; Stunclaw

1000/1000 points, Dark Eldar Outrider Detachment

Feedback and Criticism please playing my first 8th ed game Wednesday!

>>53613391
You can put any number of units inside a transport now, as long as the model total doesn't exceed the transport capacity.

>>53613384
>>53613386
Cheers

>>53613391

Yes you can do that - I was just trying to clarify that he isn't actually in the unit.

>>53613363
The Mawloc really isn't that impressive because its rule forces it to appear right in front of the enemy without being allowed to charge and most opponents will place their units so that you get to hit 2 units at most. And in melee it's not really good, with no AP to speak of and even its 9 attacks all in all aren't enough to save it. And W12 isn't that impressive with only T6. Let's say it's adequately costed, maybe even a bit expensive for what it does. I mean, compare to a quad-Deathspitter-Carnifex, which costs only 10 points more.

Yes, you have to pay the 11 points for Stinger Salvo. Unless the list says the wargear is included in the cost (which is only the case for named characters and daemons afaik) you have to pay for everything else.

>>53613330
For some it might be some weird sexual fetish, but for most it's likely because female representation is fucked in other factions so they chose the real* genderless faction.

Also Aliens has a pretty big female fanbase.

*Fluff doesn't count if the models are all still masculine.

How important do you think snipers will be going into the new edition? I think the ability to do things like knock out commissars, KFF Meks, and similar will matter quite a bit.

>>53613441
Why don't girls mostly play Eldar then ? Those are all feminine looking models.

>>53613421
>>53613430
Oh, okay. Thanks.

What is the best unit to pair him with? Sternguard or Terminators or anything?
If Vulkan starts in reserves do I need a second HQ unit while he's not on the board?

Post people selling their armies and being butthurt.

I plan on building a theme list based on the German/Egyptian convoy in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I imagine an inquisitor and his company landing on a planet and "acquiring" local forces to help look for... Some kind of heresy.

The "Nazis" will be the inquisitor, his retinue and other "officers" (commissar, priests, arstopath, etc), and some scions and taurox primes.

The "Egyptians" will be some less "fancy" AM forces from the local planet making up some kind of recon force; sentinels, ratlings, maybe some rough riders, maybe some Bullgryn muscle.

Expansion ideas are small pockets of Grey Knights, Sisters, an assassin, etc. as an elite reserves unit to drop in whenever the inquisitor gives the signal (depending on the ordo I take him/her as).

I need some ideas for the center-piece tank and a staff car for the Inquisitor/acolytes - the only store around me is a GW so my range is a bit limited. What do you guys think?

>>53613462
I think you need too many snipers to reliably threaten the real scary charactes like terminator armoured captains and such.

Might see a lot of Vindicares though.

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Slaanesh Marines when?

>>53613412
You could shoehorn an extra blaster into the list if you change your warriors into trueborn, plus a pair of splinter cannons for bonus poisoned dakka.

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>>53613498
Sometime in the next 6 months.

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What does your 8th edition shopping cart look like, Anon?

>>53613489

I don't know, you need to only do 6 wounds to force the extra mortal so it takes about 18 snipers to do two wounds to a terminator character. That number obviously is much lower when shooting at 4 and 5+ characters who are just as good and prevalent now.

>>53613440
The Mawloc would have been a lot better if they had just given it the ability to pop up really close and let it charge immediately instead of trying to keep it as some weird artillery-esque attack

Sorry for asking in two threads, just wanted to be sure :P So looking through the chaos index, I've got a few questions. Some may be obvious but I just wanted to check

- Marks of chaos (such as mark of nurgle) no longer give a benefit other than a keyword (i.e no more toughness 5 obliterators or chaos marines)
- If I take a death guard detachment, does it just give me access to specific units like the foetid bloat drone and make plague marines troops choices? Is the cost that I can't take any units in that detachment that aren't listed like rubric marines?
- Does the above mean if I wish to take a flier in my detachment I need to take a regular detachment instead of a death guard one?
- Can I take a death guard and a regular or thousand sons detachment in my army so long as I meet the requirements?
- Can I now take chaos daemons in the same detachment as my chaos space marines?

>>53613484
Sternguard with all combi weapons or multi melta devastators sounds like it could be nasty.

>>53613462
After a few games I can of course only speak in anecdotes, but if your opponent has a buff vector Hero standing behind a big unit, not being able to shoot him is aggravating. On the other hand, with the exception of the Vindicare, most sniper rifles aren't strong enough to break a tough Hero.

Forge World rulebook leaks when?

>>53613511
That soon? Don't get my hopes up brother.

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>>53613498
Never, Guilliman and Cwal will purify Emperor's Children and make them accept Codex Astartes.

So, what loadout for Crisis suits against MEQ is good now? I like the models and want to field atleast two squads of them.

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>>53613120
Thanks mate.

Do we have actual PDFs yet, or just the leaks

>>53613515
Index Chaos, Rules, Dark Imperium novel, 5 more Raptors.

>>53613498
Probably in the next year or so, Chaos is supposed to be at the forefront for a while and we have seen new kits for both Death Guard and Thousand Sons. I don't think we will have too long of a wait before World Eaters and Emperor's Children follow suit

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>>53612486
Tau let Ogryn join, don't see why they'd have a problem with catgirls.

>>53613338
Look at all of those genestealer units.

>>53613330
Ananın amından dolayı. Bin kere aynı soruyu çevirip çevirip soruyorsunuz anasını siktiğimin otist gavatları.

>>53613523
Wouldn't give Sternguard combi-weapons anymore, though. They lose their special ammo if you do.

>>53613515
Hammerhead
2 Devilfish
Pathfinder&Devilfish box set

I really wanna go full Tank

>>53613555
but they get to shoot both halves at the same time now

>>53613555
>They lose their special ammo if you do.
What? That's fucking terrible.

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>>53613541
>Mfw World Eaters will be first because GW can't resist the opportunity to give Khorne yet MORE models

>>53613555
... but they can fire the meltagun every single turn, and the bolter as well on top of that if you don't mind the -1 to hit.

>>53613515
Just one of the index books. But dull, I know.

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Primaris Terminators when?

>>53612450
Me! I want to play an armored division, i plan on buying a fuckton of tauroxes and manticores, my list is 1750 points of pure steel: 3 russes, 5 tauroxes and 5 manticores

>>53613569
Well, yes, I consider that a given. I'm just surprised that they weren't FIRST, or the ones in the starter box

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the coolest space marine chapter

hope they get new model soon

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>>53613604
More like the edgiest space marines of them all

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>>53613532
Most likely will be. Khorne might be first though.

>>53613488
Some sort of banestormdoomhammerswordblade for the main tank of course.

>>53612453
anyone?

stealers get missiled by Hive Commander, gaunts burrow with the trygon, ripper swarm hides for half the game to grab a late objective if possible. Warriors will probably walk with the swarmlord

>>53613549
fuck you faggot

>>53613587
What if the primaris termies just use the new Gut armour

>ASURYANI

Wow. Just WOW. And i thought Aeldarii sounds stupid.

>>53613596
Look at it this way - the other legions are just practise for the perfection to come!

>Rebuilding army after I sold off a bunch of stuff.
>Made the mistake of priming black and, as such, decide to dig through sprues while the white dries.
>The whole army is going to be Mrk iii marines and armor in an artillery regiment.
>While I'm digging through old sprues, I happen across three unassembled Predators and an unassembled Ven Dred.

That was a pleasant surprise.

I may get my crap up and running sooner than I thought.

>>53613664
That is what they are.

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>>53613511
dont tease me

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>>53613626
you say edgy cause you cant handle badassery

>>53613685
He looks like he's pretending to be a bird and is raising his arms to flap them....

>>53613685
Edge Lords are the worst legion.

>>53613685
>Only bully those weaker than themselves
>Sneak around like a bunch of cowards
>"Muh spoopyness"

Not sure they're covered by the definition of badass.

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>>53613596
>Khorne finally comes out
>GW Design Head: Okay, that's all the Chaos gods then! We'll work on new sculpts in about 10 years and then we'll start with Khorne since he was last the last cycle!

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>>53612486
>Implying the fish fuckers would ally themselves with cats
>Implying that the Felinids are anything less than devoted servants of the Imperium who would never ally with the weeaboo xenos
You're a funny guy.

>>53613685
>>53613718

>"CAAAWW CAAAWW! LOOK DADDY CURZE IMMA BIRD!"

>>53613468
They do, "Female Tyranid players" is a meme, there's just as many female Eldar players. Actually, there's quite a few female DAngel players as well(women love yaoi).

>>53613584
>>53613560
Yes, but then I'd rather give the combi-weapons to Company Veterans who won't have to throw AP-2 Bolters away to get the combi-weapons.

>>53613568
Yeah, technically they don't have special issue ammo anymore, but a special issue Boltgun. And the benefits of this Boltgun are lost if you take a combi-weapon, which is standard issue.

>>53613587
Pretty sure Gravis Armour is the Primaris equivalent of Terminator Armour

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>>53613718
>>53613720
>>53613732
>>53613764
watch yourselves

>>53613752
Excuse me while I weep incessantly

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>>53613400
The Daemon prince jumped over the Guard lines targeting the command squadron as the sorcerers spread Nurgle's gifts to the Imperial forces all over the battle field. Missiles destroying a Wyvern and the Prince of the Dark God Nurgle killed an Executioner angered he could not have done more as the other combat continued.

>>53613159
WHERE

IS

THE

SOURCE

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>>53613685
"Witness my mastery of terror warfare, brothers! Behold, as I shit into this chimney, a chimney belonging to the planetary governor himself! Surely, he will come begging for our mercy before a single shot Is fired!"

>>53613685
They could easily update the batwing motif in a way that looks cool, it's just gonna be forever until any non monogod legions get love.

So you have to disembark from the model, not base.

Flyers are higher than 3".

If you dont disembark on a second floor the contents die.

>>53613298
I prefer Gauss being a basic troop weapon which can reliable do some stuff to vehicles rather than being better than pulse rifles and shit.

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ANON WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO VENERATE TZEENTCH TODAY

>>53613777
Company veterans only go up to 5 man sized units mister Nurgle trips. That's only half of a drop pod filled up.

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>>53613823
Nothing, Nerd.

>>53613560
>>53613584
>>53613777
Wait, are combi-weapons not single use only anymore? Or is that just for Sternguard?

>>53613318
>I've heard however that Land Raiders are really hard to kill.

True, but not 400+ points good.

Best armies in the game will probably have effective multi-wound or mortal wound infantry.
Despite the changes, shooting still wins out even with new deepstrike rules and the army that can shift around the table easiest and sit on objectives without need of much armor support is what is gonna make or break it.

My bets are on Necrons or Nids. Unless a particular ninja unit just breaks the format, which will probably immediately be nerfed because of how fluid GW is making points adjustments.

>>53613823
I changed my underwear.

What are power levels for exactly?

>>53613664
>>53613777
Gravis is a 3+, so it's not Termi armor.

>>53613853
No, all combi-weapons have no limit.

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>>53613786
The Guardsmen steeled their nerves and prepared to charge the great beast as the Demolisher crews finally reached range of the hated Plague Lord Typhus and his body guard. Chimeras and the Devil Dog preparing to light the traitors and their zombies alight as another platoon of Guardsmen reached the field.
And sorry for the giant blocks of text anons but i hope you're still enjoying it.

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>>53613823
>>53613846
I slain dozens of your kin.

>>53613853
Yup, all combi weapons can fire both parts as often as you like, and even at the same time with a -1 to hit penalty.

>>53613823
Nothing, Tzeentch is a manipulative cunt. Ahriman should work to supplant him

Oh boy I sure can't fucking wait for Cawlian heresy.

>>53613510
>>53613510

Not without dropping a Hellion and a wych I couldn't, that warrior squad is only 78 but a 5 man trueborn squad with 2 cannons and a blaster is 100 points

>>53613859
For casual games as a much more vague balancing mechanic than points values

>>53613853
Combi are unlimited use and you can fire both guns at the same time if you want with a -1 to hit

>>53613815
Nobodies gonna afford vehicles anymore, they swung a little to far when they over-corrected their durability and decided just to balance it around points rather than restructure the system.

>>53613782
Somebody getting batty here ?

>>53613859
Open and Narrative play.

>>53613873
Even your Daddy doesn't like you, you mutant scum.

>>53613872
how did the imperial guard player move anything with that wall in the way?

>>53613823
Wrote this list. Thoughts?
>>53612680

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>>53613872
Fuckin' loving it anon, please continue! Your commentary is excellent.

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>>53613872
Typhus suffered heavily and the Demolisher crews cheered as they obliterated his body guard a final shot from the Shadowsword slaying the last terminator leaving him in the open. Zombies fell in mass to flames and lasguns and another unit of Marines died to plasma fire with battle cannons laying more low. Rough riders charged the Chaos lord to save the brace preacher being slaughtered in the process as the Daemon was tied down in combat.

>>53613876
>>53613889
>-1 to hit
So basically no penalty to get an extra bolter shooting if you have a Combi-flamer equiped since the flamer half already just automatically hits?

>>53613891
Good, Infantry edition is going to be awesome.

I'm looking to make a counts-as lysander because I'm not too fond of his current model + have a cataphractii termie laying around.

I figured I could pick up a storm shield set from FW, but are there any places that sell 'good' thunder hammers for termies? I want something kind of fancy that isn't just carving the actual fist of dorn off my existing Lysander.

any suggestions?

Alright anons

>your faction gets Codex with Warlord Traits, relics, powers etc in a month, but you slowly get powercreeped into Orks of 8th edition
>you get your Codex in two years, but you are AdMech WarConvo tier without people hating you like elves or Tau

What would you choose?

>>53613900
I had to move very carefully anon. But it wasn't that bad most of the action was on my side of the table anyways.

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>>53613896
>Mutant
Says shitstained degenerate who no longer resembles proud Astartes.

>>53612435

Given how leadership works, it seems that the more casualties they take the harder they break.

You don't need to wipe out hordes in one round of shooting, you just put enough wounds on them that there is no way they can pass their leadership without burning command points to stop it.

>>53613782
Autismo

>>53613954

>Shitstained degenerate who no longer resembles proud Astartes

Why are you so hard on yourself, Primaris friend?

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>>53613954
Daddy Rawbooty thinks you're a blasphemy.

And fucking filthy Nurglite scum don't represent me.

>>53613946
Option 1, and I play Orks. Would rather be irrelevent and have my new toys than be broken and get refused games when I mention my armies name

>>53613954
Your master considers you as nothing more than blasphemous hordes, compared to his proud astartes.

>>53613510

The warrior squad has
8/16 poison shots
1 blaster

A trueborn squad would have
7/14 poison shots
2 blasters

78p vs 115p so I'd have to lose a couple Hellions and a wych to shoehorn them in

>>53612553

I wouldn't say it was dead but I would be shocked if this saw a dramatic change in GW's fortune. Their sales will probably continue to drop. They better get used to it though, war-gaming has opened up and it's never going to go back to one company owning 80% of the market.

>>53613964
Horde armies tend to have in-built ways of not giving a shit about moral, making it less effective against them than MEQ equivalents.

>>53613946
Option 3, never getting my own codex and having a fun if not terribly competitive army.

>>53613964
The problem is, most of the units where that would work are sorta immune to that philosophy.

Tyranids got Synapse
Guardsmen got commissars
Orks got each other, to the point where if two 30 boy squads are within 6" of each other, the other player has to kill 26 boys (13 in each squad) before they even take one moral test.

>>53613984
what's this about Rowboat Girlyman hating Primaris?

I am looking at the new indexes for 40k. How the fuck am I making a list? I see points in the back of the book, and 'power' in each entry. Didn't get the 8th rulebook so I can't reference that. Does anyone know, yet?

>>53614030
>Orks got each other

You never WAAAAAAAGH !!!! alone

>>53613964
IG can shoot a guardsman to pass morale, an Orc warboss can beat some orcs to pass morale, and tyranids in synapse ignore it anyway

>>53613828
What's the limit on how many heavy weapons you can put on a Sterngaurd squad? You could put four of them in the pod along with Vulkan.

Or just put four Devastators in the pod too.
>tfw frag cannons and infernus bolters will never be given to normal Marines

>>53614038

He's old enough to know skub when he sees it.

>>53614060
First link in the OP, read it.

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>>53613515
Index: Chaos PREORDER 1
Index: Imperium 1 PREORDER 1
Index: Xenos 2 PREORDER 1
Warhammer 40,000: Command Dice PREORDER 1
Warhammer 40,000: Dark Imperium PREORDER 1
Warhammer 40,000: Tactical Objective Cards PREORDER 2
The Army Painter Spray: Uniform Grey 2
Humbrol plastic-glue (30ml) 1
The Army Painter: Wargaming Tape Measure (3m.) 1
Citadel: Sector Imperialis Objectives PREORDER 1

>>53612435
This is a feature not a bug.

This game has been tank hammer since 5th edition. I adore that horde armies are actually viable now.

Time to bin your WAAC parking lot shit.

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>>53613933
The Traitors finally learned respect for the Guard's courage and respect of their abilities and started finally breaking down the Imperial force. Missiles slamming into and destroying a Chimera as bolt weapons mowed them down. And the Devil Dog finally brought down by melta gun fire while the great Plague lord Typhus joined a unit of havocs to have a buffer from the Demolisher cannons that threatened him as the Guard pressed their advantage and got more aggressive.

>>53612453
>>53612453
Hard to guage.

Assault still seems shit in this edition though. I'd sadly swap out rippers and hormagaunts for termagants, some with devourers. Shooting >assault. Get a tervigon if you can those things are still one of the best Tyranid options . You probably don't need three tyrant guard.

Rest looks solid.

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>>53613992
Bob doesn't hate them, he made primaris marine his closest adviser.
>>53613984
You stink same, and your face looks nurgling who ate ministorum vox caster.

>>53614060
In 8E you just bring whatever units you want and have fun , stop being so WAAC.

>>53612435
Centurions with grav/heavy bolters and hurricane bolters. They put out enough shots with high enough AP to strip tons of wounds off hoards and are also tough enough be able to require either a whole lot of hoards shooting at them or weapons that would be better used against MCs or tanks in order to be brought down.

>>53614203
He doesn't hate them, he doesn't like them either. He feels about them the same way the emperor does for his primarchs, they are tools nothing more.

Now that the Tau got some nerfs I can finally dust them off without bitching.
What're some suggestions for a go-fast army list?

>>53614203
*looks like

>>53612435
>>53614239
Oh, and omnispex means no cover for hordes either.
All for the low cost of 291 points or 258 points.

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So did the Death Guard end up getting their own seperate from chaos rules?

>Carnifex Brood
>Temporarily out of stock
For a fucking month

>>53614239
As mentioned earlier, they are more effective against MEQs than hordes.

>>53614038
New book, he calls them Cawl's blasphemous hordes.

>>53614274
Only in the example but except the specific.

>>53614111
Yes, every WAAClist in 7th was vehicle spam. Not MCs, no, vehicles that tended to explode or get grav-spammed to death in one turn.

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>>53614166
Veterans disembarked to engage the zombies and Marines more effectively with their lasguns as the Mordians shouldered their rifles bringing another group of the infernal creatures down. Leman Russes blasting away with Demolisher,Plasma and Battle cannons their firepower crucially wiping away more of the Marines and keeping them far from Guard lines.The other surviving veterans moved to secure an objective to their dying breath as the brave men in melee diedholding the line.

>>53614220
Not trying to be WAAC, just want to make sure there is parity in lists at my store. Just saying 'bring whatever' is neither balanced nor fun

>>53614303
Mind wording this as if I was a second grader?

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got a quesiton, the character rule says u cannot shoot them if they are not the nearest enemy, but does this mean in a 360 bubble?

in the picture say "2" is a character model and he is 20inchs behind my unit *1* but a unit of marines "3" is 12inch infront, this mean i cannot shoot "2"?

Alright, getting back into this after 8th ed drops.
Where the hell do I play? I'm Canada just north of Toronto, and Meeplemart just shut down their game space. No idea where to go except the GeeDubs at Lawrence.

>>53612435
Rubric marines would like to have a word with you
>Player shows up with nid army
>Place a single death start unit for 20 rubrics with at least 10 warp flamers or more.
Charge me faggot, i dare you.

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mono-tzeentch didn't deserve this

>>53614203
You can't even form coherent sentences.

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So do the keywords like CALVARY or DEMON come with any special rules or is it just something in place for determining what other units special abilities can affect?

>>53614341
I think so. Although you could also move unit 1 6" closer, and end up with 2 as the nearest thing rather than 3

>>53614274
Yeah, but not out yet.

>>53614371
The latter

>>53614391
Thanks bud. Any idea on when they will be released?

>>53614371
Well if you look at the front of that particular armies index or in the core rulebook you'll find out won't you?

>>53614401
No idea, but it's coming soon. Within the month or so.

>>53613533
That's sexy

I hope they make models for that, wow

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>>53614365
Yes it did you psychic abusing faggot

>>53614371
The only keyword I'm aware of that has any sort of universal special rules is the fly keyword and even then it's just a few movement related things.

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>>53614309
Typhus desperately trying to bring glory to Nurgle detached from his unit to slay the unfortunate Veterans as the remaining Plague Marines marched to destroy the Guard heavy ordinance but the Mordians suffered heavy losses too from the bolters and heavy bolter fire. But even as Typhus slew most if the squad in combat a stray Demolisher shot missed it's target slaying both him and his foe as they were engaged him melee. With the other dismounted Veterans charging and losing their combat the Mordians charged in to slay the Chaos lord. With Sergeants in all three of the combats,even against the Daemon Lord,challenging the Traitors showing without a doubt they were not afraid.

Are Blood Angels good again?

>>53614284
It's not really either or, they can be good at both, even if they are better at another.
If anything, a unit that is both good anti-MEQ and decent anti-hordes while still being able to deal decent damage to most vehicles is only a point in centurions favor.

I suppose that's how marines should play though, rather high cost comparatively but able to deal with a myriad of threats.

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>>53614431
They did, and their rules are OP as hell in 30k. Entire squad of 2+/6++ with 5++ in CC, swinging around AP2 at initiative axes that autowound on To Hit sixes.

>>53614469
Except it is? Hordes have more efficient wound-to-point ratio, so you need weapons that is better when dealing with them, as other weapons are comparatively weaker than they are elsewhere.

I mean, even this wouldn't be an issue if horde armies weren't immune to one mechanic that is supposed to balance them to begin with.

So is there any point using all 3 eldar races in an Ynnari list? If not, are dark eldar in the same boat as craft world eldar I.e. going ynarri is a straight upgrade or is power from pain essential to them

Any links for Criumson king audiobook?

can someone post "timeline" from 8th edition?

>>53612435
There are still pseudo-templates, though. The Seismic C'tan power or the Razorshark bombs both do hits based on number of models in range.

>>53614515
If they didn't have methods of avoiding morale they'd only ever get tabled.

Hordes as they stand are not OP.

>>53614528

It depends on exactly what you want to do. Ynnari is still very good but PFP's 6++ against wounds after they're suffered helps and Battle Focus is still a good rule.

Should i buy the Dark Imperium box or the Tyranid swarm box?
This is important.

So not sure if this is being brought up yet, a lot of stores got pre release demo copies right now to get them painted and acquainted with the new rules, and being in tight with my lgs manager I've gotten to look through all of it, so basically unless everyone has already got in on this
>AMA

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>>53614436
>not only did units get nerfed but the CORE RULES themselves nerf your army
I deserved nothing, not even a WAAC summoning / grimoire fag

>>53614528
I think the Ynnari benefits are still nutty, if only for the reason that it's one of the few ways still in the game to move after you shoot something, assuming you're fighting at close ranges and getting kills though.

Imagine flying in a group of scourges, blasting away with heavy weapons, and then leaping back to where you started.

I think Ynnari is a straight upgrade if you're running a lot of jump infantry and jetbikes that need to get close and then can use that free movement to the most extreme effect.

If you're running a more gunboat style army with Wyches and Kabalites, then I think you'll want the more reliable army-wide bonuses

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>>53614466
At the end of turn five the Imperial Guard won 9-6 and very barely as you can tell from how close the melee was. Was super close and he was a long time Chaos player so he knew what he was doing but the Guard just out attritioned them. I hope you anons enjoyed and if you've had any recent games I'd love to hear about them too.

Synapse should be 12'' base, with Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord getting 24''

>>53614544
Yeah, but they are either rare or suck.

>>53614528
Power from pain and combat drugs are still pretty dandy, plus a lot of their special weapons got a bit more umph

>>53614607

The full rules have been leaked for the better part of a week now - thank you though.

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>>53614609
>not only did units get buffed but the CORE RULES themselves buffed your army
FeelsGoodMan, now go play Nurgle/Slaanesh

>>53614489
If I ever play Ultrasmurfs these will be the models I use for the honor guard.

>>53612858
>mfw I realize all the people complaining about the new rules are probably operating on this level of autism
Simulation-like realism does not make for a good minature war game.

>>53614650
Sounds about right
I just wanted to make sure /tg/ wasnt imploding with conclusions like AoS

>>53614609
What do you mean? they're great

>>53614675

Oh it still is - the amount of 'non reading' that is occurring is unreal. I've seen so many people saying things over the past few days and just not even bothering to read the rules its unreal.

>>53614515
>Except it is? Hordes have more efficient wound-to-point ratio, so you need weapons that is better when dealing with them, as other weapons are comparatively weaker than they are elsewhere.
Centurions are able to kill an equal number of points worth of most every hoarde unit while not dying, so I don't think the fact that they have worse wound-to-point ratio is that big of a concern. While centurions may have 9 wounds to most hoards units 90+ wounds, they're T:5 and 2+ means most every hoard unit will take multiple turns to kill just one, while centurions can mow them down in droves. Sure they may be "comparatively weaker elsewhere," but the number of situations when a list will have both a large amount fo hordes and MEQ is so rare that the "elsewhere" won't be a factor most games.
Relatively cheap, high AP and S guns with a lot of dakka that ignores cover on a durable platform is the very essence of anti-hordes for marines now, without flamers there aren't many better options.
Sure, there may be units for the job, like twin ass cannon razorbacks, but so far in the games of 8th I've played gravcents have definitely proven to be more than capable of dealing with hoardes, esspecialy if you pair them with sniper scouts to take out commisars, synapse units and such.

>>53614617
What the hell is that circular green thing?

>>53614595
Do you want Tyranids or Death Guard and Primaris better?

>>53614620
No

>>53614724
An ancient relic from long ago.

>>53614666
It can work in skirmish level games. But imagine that 40k currently with things like ork armies with around 100 models still had facings on infantry and such

>>53612554
its kind of the same deal with gundrones vs burst cannons on a hammerhead. why take burst cannons when gun drones do everything they do but with extra utility and for a lower cost.

this happens every edition, hopefully gws promise of a more living rule set will be true.

>>53614733
Yes. This tiny synapse shit is ridiculous

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>>53614723
>Hoard unit

gets me every time

>>53614528
Craftworlds? Yeah, those should be Ynnari.

Harlies? No reason not to since they can't even make a legal detachment without some other Eldar bullshit.

Haemy Covens? Can't be Ynnari ever, so those will stay out of it for sure.

Other Deldar? Well, they play fast and bloody rocket ping pong, so giving their units a bonus whenever anything dies is fantastic.

>>53614728
It's really a difficult situation
I want to bolster my swarm, but i also want to start a second army and get the new brb

>>53614707
I had a hunch
Our facebook groups are devolving rapidly into troglodyte shit slinging warfare and usually thats in result of /tg/ doing it first
Plus I havent been here in ages and just wanted to be that dude for once

>>53614687
Tzeentch daemons literally play like poor mans Orks now

>>53613998
Take a look at the stock price Alan Greenspan, you're a bit out of date.

>>53614789
New detachments can totally allow an all harly list dude

>>53614776
Not when you can take it more reliably and more units than you can shake your fist at provide it. Tyranids have always held your positioning as highly important

>>53614789

How can Harlequins not make a legal detachment? They have HQs and Troops.

>>53614789

> they can't even make a legal detachment without some other Eldar bullshit

But that's fucking wrong.

>>53613998

Do you bother looking at their financial reports or anything? They doubled their operating profit from last year.

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Do we have rules for the Death Guard yet?

>>53614607
>in tight with my lgs manager
literally every manager I know is letting their store read all the books and play the intro, what gulag GW do you go to that only lets select people read the rules?

>>53614870
Indeed
Not much changed
Fnp is now "disgustingly resilient" its a good 5+
Loaded with plague weapons that allow rerolling 1's to wound

>>53614870
Who is this painter called?

I keep seeing that spider symbol in amazingly painted models, but can never find who is it.

>>53613998
Gathering storm and warzone fenris actually picked up 40k sales quite a bit.