Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for I'm gonna finally get off my lazy ass and batrep what may be my last game of 7th against Death Guard. You anons play any games lately too?

>>53612344
Who's this saemen daemon?

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XX'th for true loyality

>>53612437
No one would play 7th with me for the last month so I've just been building and acquiring new models.

What are you going to use for 8th?

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Guilliman is an unironically good character and will Make The Imperium Great Again!

>>53612473
Probably will stick with Guard and fight the good fight. And will probably bring the batrep over to the other thread because it seems to have more replies.

>>53612480
UM fluff wank has turned me against him permanently.

Whose been playing 8E? Do you think the named characters are way overblown? I feel like Lysander literally can't die.

>pop into local GW to check out chadmarines and death guard models
>chat to redshirt about the various rulebooks
>"yeah, the free rules aren't really enough for playing the game, they might get you by for games at home, but you need the rulebook to play it properly"
I see through your scheme you dastardly dastard.

I bet they demand people own the rulebook to play instore or some bullshit though.

>>53612437

I just played a trial game of 8th ed with my buddy, my Mechanicus and his Harlequins.

>>53612437
I just played IF against IG 7E today. Maybe my last 7E game. I see almost no reason to ever revisit 7th. I've been playing some 8E, in fact I just now finished a Crimson Fist vs DE game. And it's just so much better. Terminators teleporting around the field, Melee everywhere, not taking fifteen hours and a dozen arguments to make one artillery attack. It all works so well. Maybe the only thing I don't like is how some transports become crippled as soon as someone looks at them. But that seems intentional, and at least they don't explode from a single lucky attack anymore, it seems like the game has a big focus on soldiers now, in fact I've only used transports in half the games I've played. Hell I've only used a single drop pod once.

Actually the drop pod change is something I'm very fond of. They're without a doubt better, being able to pinpoint deepstrike whenever you feel like, and potentially charging out of them, but being more expensive makes them less of an autotake, and when you do take them, you are only taking one or two for specific units. Anyone who spams drop pods will likely find their army gimped as they lose hundreds of points that could have been additional gunlines. Especially now that getting around the map is just less of a hassle in general.

I also LOVE that characters are harder to target. It means you can have solo characters running around behind the front line buffing units where needed. Whereas before you'd be too scared to have a character out by himself.

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>>53612344
mfw someone is using my OC

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1st guardsman. Stiil needs a bit more work. Think it looks alright so far?

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>>53612504
Well after Wrath of Magnus and Disciples of Tzeentch I started painting these guys, but just the other day I saw that these guys became glorified objective holders that couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, but hey, I'm this far along, I might as well finish the rest of them.

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>>53613225
yeah

>>53613225
>>53613280
Seriously though, it's more than adequate for the tabletop.

>>53612437
No. I have no friends who like it, the closest store is 100km away and full of children.

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What should be my next step after buying and painting pic related? It is better to buy a second SC box or maybe an Ork Trukk Boyz Box for a variety of models?

Returning player from 5th here. I play tyranids and when I heard 7th was a mess I decided wait for the next edition.

Is Nidzilla playable now or are we fucked yet again?

I just want to play my Carnifexes and Trygon..

can somebody post 8th edition timeline and warzones?

>>53613382
go on ebay

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>>53614702

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>>53613381
I think you need a hug anon.

>>53613382
Problem with the start collecting boxes is that you get several identical characters. Sadly there's not much you can do to make that painboy look different. Doesn't do much helpful in terms of rules either. Could always sell him on ebay, I guess.

Trukk boyz is an ok deal, you will need the boyz, although the trukk isn't great in 8th edition and probably a bit of a luxury for boyz. Best load it up with nobz and burnas. Or convert some tankbustas (all necessary bitz on the boyz sprue, although in limited quantities).

>>53614926
>GODDAMMIT STEVE STOP WAVING THE BANNER AND USE YOUR GUN

So8th rules out tomorrow?

>>53614926
Fuck that's one epic cover

>>53614697

Nids are in a good place right now. 8th ed is great for them.

>>53612437
Played my first game of 8th yesterday.

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>>53612522
Shhh, daddy will make everything better soon

>Go to local GW to check out the new rules
>Everyone there (including the redshirt) are making lists and discussing units exclusively using the power level
>Actively avoids acknowledging the point system even exists

FUCKING CASUALS REEEEE

>>53614954
>Trukk not good

I had two trucks survive a seven turn game against nids while he focused on my battlewagons.

How many daemonettes should I get before I start grabbing other stuff?

Do we have a full list of all the pseudo-templates in 8e? I get the feeling these are going to be very relevant with the surge in horde armies.

Necrons: Seismic Assault C'tan power
Tau: Razorshark bombs

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Guard Players, can I get an opinion on the Hellhound and its weapons in 8th edition?

I feel like the Devil Dog (melta cannon) might be in a good place as sort of a medium tank.

So who's gunna rewrite the Angry Marines codex for 8th edition?

>>53615023
Because GW prefers narrative-based play because that's the bridge between lore people and wargaming people.
Even though it's annoying that it seems like they're trying to throw point costs out the window, they know that the people will riot if they get rid of it.

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>>53612344
Anons batrep is in >>53612369
If you want to read.

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Can someone explain how these issues made it through the design stage, let alone playtesting?

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>>53615355

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>>53615335
>>53615355
>>53615377
>please pay attention to my shitty OC, nobody ever talks about it
Fuck off.

>>53615415
did you draw that comic you just posted?

>>53615335
Leave a brick on the gas pedal and bail out, let the rhino smash into the boyz and go about your business.

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So I'm coming from horus heresy.

What should I use my preheresy TS as?

>>53615335
While possible, many dedicated assault troops have abilities that let them reroll failed charges. Additionally, the usually way of this is that you drive your assault transport up to just outside of 1" of enemy. That enemy flees back 6" on their turn. Your turn, you disembark your assault troops up to 3" away from the transport, so about 3" from enemy. Transport and troops can both now move before charging. You're trying to get a 3 on 6+2d6, assuming an M6. If you're failing charges like in your pic, you're doing something wrong.

>>53615355
You can resolve attacks individually. Just do individual attacks until the guardsman is dead. A bit silly, but not actually that useful.

>>53615377
This is just how morale is supposed to work. The loss of the third marine represents him fleeing the fight, likely dragging off his two wounded brethren.

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>>53615415
>posted in multiple threads
>must be the same person

>>53614989


Really glad to hear that.

What changed about them if I may ask?

>>53615500
Blood Ravens.

>>53615517
Another "silly but not useful". Airbourne and the lack thereof can seem a bit arbitrary, but you aren't going to see boyz taking down a storm raven, simply due to armor and wound-count. A bigger danger would be something like a big tyranid MC coming up to slash through your storm raven, which is actually pretty badass.

>>53615335
Doesn't bother me.

I do think that heroic intervention should extend to making characters auto succeed charge rolls if they are say within 2 inches of a unit that's charged the same target.

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Alright, ladz!

Shootas or Choppaz?

just realized....you can't make double-shooty/double-melee tyranid warriors anymore?

devourer/ranged bioweap
scytal/melee bioweap

this is a bit disappointing.

>>53615517
Why would you post this shit in multiple threads?

>>53615023

It's really not that bad. 50 power is roughly 1000pts on every list I've made so far. 100 power is roughly 2000pts.

Yeah it means you can sneak in some crazy shit, but from the games I've played so far it works pretty well when you just want to quickly slap a list together with whatever you have on hand.

>>53615595
Except it's not, it wildly changes from unit to unit.

>>53615522
1. Their costs (and everyone else's) were recosted across the board. Tyranids are extremely points-efficient.
2. Synapse range now gives complete immunity to the effects of morale, which are now very dangerous. (Roll d6+lost models vs leadership at end of turn for every unit that lost models. Lose an additional number of models equal to difference if check fails)
3. Tyranids are extremely fast now. They have some of the highest movement values in the game, and frequently have abilities that let them move faster during charges, or get free extra moves with certain MCs. They can reliably close to melee within a turn or two.
4. Templates are gone. No more having entire hordes torched at once. Things that were blasts now do a random number of hits, with large blasts now being d6 hits.

etc. etc.

>>53615549
I'll give it to you, these are pretty good bait with how retarded they are.

>>53615517
You know you need Stormboyz to infantry-attack aircraft as orks right?

>>53615559
Both. Choppas are great for charging out of Da Jump (weirdboyz are transports now) Shootas to make your lootas and flashgitz fearless.

Are Wraith themed armies still dickery?

Y'know a couple units each of guard and blades, some lords, a seer and one knight?

>>53615592
"When you move a model in the Movement Phase, it may not be moved within one inch of an enemy model."

This isn't even a possible scenario.

>>53615559
I'm loving the new assault rule on shootas. Move, advance, shoot, waaaagh, charge.

Only I will miss templates?

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>>53614926

>>53615684
Silly anon, you can't miss with templates.

>>53615648
>(weirdboyz are transports now)
Ha! That will have to do since dey took me looted wagons.
>Shootas to make your lootas and flashgitz fearless.
Wots dis?

>>53615549
I'm not sure what this one is trying to say. That weapons with high S and low AP are not great against heavily armored targets? Because that's the way it should be. If it's making the point that people lost options, yeah, everyone did. Wait for codices.

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18 Catachan Mortar teams with 3 Company Commanders and Sergeant Harker, giving out 18d6 (60-70) str 4 shots anywhere on the board rerolling 1's on both to hit and to wound.

All in around 340 points

What do you reckon lads?

>>53615684
But templates aren't gone, anon, only hiding. Look at the Seismic Assault C'tan power. Look at the bombs that the Tau Razorshark drop. Templates will always be with us.

>>53615684
>I hit 7 models
>no you only hit 6
>no I hit 7
>no you hit 6
>no I hit 7
>etc. until one player finally yields out of frustration

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>>53614926
That's a girl on the right, right?

>>53615741
> I shot this lone guy with my battle cannon
> I hit him 5 times with 1 shot

>>53615709
You use the leadership of nearby Ork units now, and mob rule means your leadership is equal to members in a squad. Combined means a 30 boy squad makes everyboy nearby LD30, essentially fearless. Stick small mobs by big mobs and laugh at your foe.

To anyone who has read rules how are Dark Angels and Space Wolves now? I feel like Dark Angels were great in 7th, has that theme carried over? Or shall I dust off my Space pups?

>>53615790
You point-blank exploded a dude so hard he took 5x the damage. Which of course is wasted on anything besides really beefy targets, in which case it's kinda cool to throw giant mortar shells at the Tyranid monstrosities.

>>53615790
Have you not played street fighter?

One tiger upper can hit 7 times.

>>53615790

Shrapnel

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GO ON, SAY IT!
SAY YER INITIATIVE THING NOW!

Anyone have Badrukk's datasheet? The leak in the OP is blurry

>>53614926
>all three males have facial scaring or augmetics
>female character is pristine, even has battle lipstick

>>53615024
That's because contrary to what people are hoping nids are still shit tier trash.

Where are my /guard/ bros at? Just played game against DE haemonculi coven.
He had
>urien rakarth, 2 haemonculus
>2x5 grotesques on raiders
>2x3 talos engines 2 kronos
>2x5 mandrakes
I had
>ccs commander tempestor pask
>4 scion squads 2 veterans 2 infantry squads
>demolisher wyvern basilisk manticore hellhound
>10 ratlings vindicare 2 commisares and psyker
He won, we both had 2 objectives, both line breaker, he got first blood and killed warlord

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>Look for painting videos on armies I'm thinking of getting into for 8e
>Everyone's just airbrushing

>>53615663
So move the flyer to be closest to a character but not within an inch of any enemy model. You can still snipe with a plane from hundreds of feet in the air, but not with a rifle from ten feet away.

>>53614956
believe it or not in one of my recent games a standard bearer in my company command squad killed a chaos termie with his flag

he was promptly shredded into mush by the lightning claws termie right next to him though, so his glory was kinda short lived

Would a teahm of 2 multi-melta Retributor teams, a Cannoness, and a pair of Imagifiers be worth their points cost? Use acts of faith to double move on turn 1 to a choice piece of mid-field cover, turning into an entrenched firebase? Even if both retributor squads get Acts of Faith hey can't drop an Imperial Knight on average, but they'll pop anything smaller (2 predators a turn, even) with a 24" threat radius. 396 points if you give both Sisters Superior and the Cannoness combi-plasma, to abuse the rerolling 1s and add to the 24" radius

I'm just having trouble building a good force around them that can both sweep hordes, and pick off tanks that outrange the Rets

>>53615816
Not exactly sure about dark angels but 2+ rerollable cover saves is gone for sure, so expect your ravenwings to be played very differently from now on

The Wolves' central strategy didn't change much, thunderwolves and wulfens got NORMALIZED because almost everyone did, but even when toned down they are still very durable and powerful. Grey hunters get free chainswords so they all have 2 attacks base like back in 5th, so Rhino rush grey hunters might be viable again. I also expect lascannon and missile launcher long fangs to make a glorious return.

>>53614926
Fuck I love Guard.

>>53615978
>Earthbrushing (dry brushing)
>Waterbrushing (glazes / washes)
>Airbrushing

Firebrushing when?

>>53615829
>>53615834
>>53615857
how does having less people around you make the explosion hurt you more than it normally would?

>>53615993
Any competent enemy is going to bubble-wrap their characters, so they're surrounded by another unit and thus no angling will allow you to hit them without either killing the chaff around them, or by using a sniper gun. If they ARE the closest target, this represents the flyer shooting a minigun at a horde and the commander happening to be at the front so he gets hit first.

>>53615712
Codexes aren't going to play with datasheets. Would defeat the purpose of moving all the point costs into the back.

That image is mocking random weapon values as being retarded (which they are), and poking fun at a unit that was already mediocre losing a significant amount of versatility (the fists).

I can't wait until it's a year from now and only a fraction of armies have codexes and most of the codexes don't really do much to re-inject flavor. Will you dumbfucks still be spouting "muh codexes?"

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>>53616027

>>53616027
shrapnel explodes outward, guardsman

the bodies of your stalwart brothers-in-arms would normally absorb this shrapnel with their heroically sacrificed internal organs

but as they are not there to absorb the blast, you alone will take the full blast


++thought for the day: think critically before posting++

>>53616027
>grenade goes off
>Bob is with you
>shrapnel hits Bob instead of you from one direction

>>53615644
Not all aircraft are actually flying. Some of them can be hit in melee. The point is the distinction between the two seems largely arbitrary and means some races flyers can be hit by powerfists standing on the ground.

>>53616027
Less body to catch the shrapnel coming at you.

Seriously, unless 40k goes to model per model activation and targeting skirmish game, bitching about realism is stupid.

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>Guilliman personally mentors Cato to not be dick
>Ultramarines officers are trained to be as much good administrators and rulers as commanders
>Primaris marines hobbies are doing art.
How one man can be so based?

>>53616015
I'm retarded - 476 points. I was using the price for Meltaguns.

>>53616082
the point is we used to have a system where templates solved this issue entirely

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>Heldrake with Warp Time has a 62" minimum threat range
Jesus Christ. I'm glad the giant metal Chaos dragon can finally rip and tear like the Gods intended, but that move value is retarded.

>>53616095
I don't see any problems though? The new system speeds up the game, makes blasts better against vehicles and MC, and doesn't punish hordes.

All his talos engines had 2 flamethrowers, so he killed all my infantry in 2 turns. But he had extreme problem killing my tanks. He was really lucky with his 5++ and 6+ fnp.
Flyers are pretty big problem, they can charge your tanks turn one and force you to move from melee and loose shooting phase. Even moving tanks is problematic, because i loose already shitty ballistic.

>>53612755
They've had store copies of the rulebooks/codices for anyone to use at my GW, thought that was standard?

>>53616095
A system which was slow and finnicky and caused frequent disputes about results, and which failed to account for firing area attacks at large enemies who would logically sustain more damage. New system works fine.

>>53616095
At the expense of more problems and being inaccurate as fuck

>>53616092
>Primaris marines hobbies are painting tiny plastic farmers and playing tabletop peaceful civilisation games

>>53616193
Settlers of C'tan

>>53616023

When the next edition neuters your army so you quit the hobby

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>>53616092
>Primaris marines hobbies are doing art.
I don't see any way that this could go wrong...

>>53616023
Only the Eldar Avatar can be painted all four ways to bring balance to the tabletop.

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Really want to get into 40k, is the Dark Imperium box set (125€) a good deal to start off or am I overstretching it? Should I go for a start collecting first?
Mind that I never played a wargame nor painted shit.
Was torn between 40k and Infinity but I like 40k's character design better.

>>53612440
>>53613178
>>53612344
This is super awkward, I know this person in real life. Like she was on my course and in my class. It's weird when 4chan crosses over with reality. And I know that its the same person, im 100% sure.

So does Strikeforce Games or whatever he was called still offer 30% off? I'm not willing to pay over 20 bucks for get-you-by codexes.

The dude that had a small storefront in his air conditioning repair office.

>>53616291
Are you going to play marines or death guards? If so, get the starter set, if not then don't bother because all the rules are readily online now.

Start Collecting still remains the best deal for most armies

Should GW continue to produce Slaanesh models and fluff?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13112831/r

>>53616322
Is she a Marxist? Cause she looks like a Marxist.

>>53616291
Its not bad, but do you want to play Dark Angels or a Chaos faction? I suppose you could convert some of the models but will take time as they are covered in Dark Angel stuff mostly.

If you dont want either of them then no, go for a start collecting. I play Dark Angels and they are pretty good in game and have a somewhat decent fluff compared to some other chapters.

Have a look at the factions first and see what you like.

>>53616291
Probably better to read up a bit on the factions, and look at pictures of the models, to see if there's a faction that really clicks for you. If so, get that one's start collecting box. Unless it's either primaris marines or death guard that you fall in love with, in which case get the dark imperium box. Not sure I'd recommend getting a box with two factions you may decide you actually don't like in 3/6 months time.

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>>53614926
>Las guns have no form of sights

So how good SM in 8ed? Looks like they more expensive.

>>53615712
Obliterator weapons got completely hamstrung. Previously, you had something like different guns to choose from (but you couldn't use a gun in consecutive shooting phases). Now, S is 6+D3, AP is -D3, and D is D3, eliminating any strategy oblits had and replacing it with randomness. To top it off, they lost their power fist.

>>53616291
dark imperium is looking great if you have a use for both sides it comes with, if not I believe they're selling start collecting boxes bundled with their faction book (not even at a discount but whatever), you might want to grab one of those and the rules

>>53616130
>Just as fast as other fliers.
>No minimum move.

WTF? Everybody else has to constantly turn to keep on the table while this fucker just 180s or hovers in midair?

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>>53616240
Totally, Primaris don't even have geneseed flaws from BA of SW.

>>53616348
Why bother putting sights on when apparently cheek welds and sight pictures are lost archeotech?

>>53616334
You're missing the "Yes, and they should add more models based on other forms of excess and pleasure aside from just sex, though the sex is fine." Make them more diverse, Slaanesh has a broad domain.

>>53616360
Wings. It can hover.

>>53616360
It's a dragon

>>53616322
Well, all I can say is she's pretty cute, even if I'm not a 40k fan.

>>53616360
Heldrake confirmed for giant, pissed-off hummingbird.

But also, the Heldrake is slower than other fliers. Valkyries beat them by 50%, while Stormhawks beat them by 100%

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>>53614926
>Look up the author
>Find this3

I want some GW terrain to use, whether it's AoS or 40k. What should I pick up?

Battlescribe Data Bro you in here? I need the latest!

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Planning on joining up some Death Guard to my current Nurgle Daemons. List I'm aiming for is something like this:

Batallion detachment:

HQs:

Herald of Nurgle - 70pts
Great Unclean One - 248pts
Winged Daemon Prince w/ 2x Talons - 180pts

Troops:

30x Plaguebearers w/ icon and instrument - 275pts
7x Plague Marines w/ 2 flamers and combi flamer champion - 176pts
- Rhino transport w/ Combi bolter - 72pts
7x Plague Marines w/ 2 blight launchers and plasma gun champ - 188pts

Elites:

Hellbrute w/ twin lascannons and fist - 152pts

Fast Attack:

Foetid Bloat Drone - 158pts
6x Plague Drones w/ icon and instrument - 299pts

Heavy Support:

Chaos Predator w/ Predator autocannon, 2 heavy bolters and havoc launcher - 182pts

Total: 2000pts

The more I look at the plaguebearers and even plague drones the less impressive they are, but whatever I like them. Any thoughts?

>>53616410
Eh, unless you're playing on 4 by 8 you're probably going to minimum move most turns.

At least, that's what I'll be doing with my Razorshark.

>>53616476
Garden of Morr, if they still sell it. It's an excellent set.

Why is everybody sucking devastator dick all of a sudden?

>>53616339
>>53616404

She was super hard working and I was better friends with her flat mate than her. She was pretty cool and chill. And she is leftwing.

>>53616360
doesn't have the airborn advantage, so can be charged, no -1 to hit in shooting.

>>53616493
the bases just GW texture paints?
looks nice either way

>>53616493
Howd ya get that color lad?

>>53616333
>>53616343
>>53616347
Yeah I'd like to start playing with marines (I do like a lot Blod Angels specifically), don't really care for Death Guard but, who knows, Chaos might grow on me.

>>53616356
Oh, cool, I'll check them.

>>53616507
Oh yeah, I was looking at that. It looks quite nice. Should I pick up just that, or do you think the Sigmarite Mausoleum might go well with it at all? I was thinking if I were to pick the GoM up perhaps they could be mixed together and possibly be a bit compatible in looks.

>>53616513
Called it.

The 4th MEGA link is still broken, does anyone have a backup?

>>53616513
So wife material is what you're saying. And before you ask yes, I am a liberal socialist scumbag.

>>53616592
She has a boyfriend. And he was pretty cool tbf.

>>53616532
You've seen the shitty guide I did right?

>>53616526
Vallejo black lava texture paint, but I'm sure it does much the same job.

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>Ultramarines

>>53616418
>google it
>find at least four different Justin D Hills
>doctor
>(former) teacher
>writer
>deceased

Poor guy. Some pervert stole his name.

Few questions about eighth. First how does that whole "Every other unit may take a dedicated transport" clause work exactly? Does that mean your whole army can never be mechanized? Also for Deathwatch, can the Terminator Sergeant get Lightning Claws or Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield? The entry says model with Power Fist/Storm Bolter can exchange but Sergeant has Power Sword.

>>53616649
Every unit that isn't a dedicated transport can get a dedicated transport, every other choice, see?

>>53615789
What are you talking about, Pvt. Ping is one of the manliest men in the regiment.

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>>53616697
Ah, yes! i see now.

>>53616678
hopefully that what that really means or an faq clarifies/cleans up the wording cause its kind of confusing idk gw writing am i right?

>>53616339

Shut up

>>53616802
I read it to mean that always, but okay.

What's the difference between Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii?

Why did GW not make them just a single AdMech army?

>>53616811
no u

>>53616334
>Like in age of Sigmar

Slaanesh is still around, dummy.

>>53616646

Jesus this is getting out of hand.

I mean the Guilliman/Yvrainne pairing was one thing, now the whole damn chapter is on the hunt for Eldar tail

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>>53616348
>I know literally nothing about firearms

>>53616824
But... Didn't they? Last I heard, they share a faction other than Imperium now.

>>53616824
They are the same army, Ad Mech keyword.

>>53616626
Not like I expected a burgeoning romance to come from a /40kg/ thread anyway. I'm courting a lady right now anyway.

>>53616850
I feel like he was posting that picture as an example of a lasgun that does have sights. The ones on the novel cover definitely do not.

So tau still pretty much top tier army? All your tanks and suits have fly, you can just safely disengage and shoot.

>>53616643
Wait what? Nah havent seen it

>>53616910
Naaaah, man. Maybe if prices hadn't been raised.

>>53616910
but the suits points are too prohibitive
tanks though seem great except maybe skyrays

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where do you guys usually go to sell minis? I'm moving and have to liquidate stuff i haven't even looked at in years. ebay?

>>53616551
I think the sigmarite mausoleum is just two gardens of morr stuck in the same box. Which is still a nice amount of terrain - one of the things I love about the GoM is how versatile it is, so twice the kit is twice the versatility - but you may feel it's too much graveyard for your table and want some variety, I dunno.

>>53616824

They weren't in 7th (gotta get that codex money), but they've since been rolled into one

>>53616910
Tau will be solidly mid tier, same as most factions. We got price hikes across the board for vehicles and suits, but in turn got a variety of other nice benefits, such as triple weapon suits, better drone rules, and so on.

>>53616965
eBay is a good bet, some places like FLG take used miniatures as well but probably for a lower price.

>>53616916
I can't speak for WAAC, but my mass crisis suit army is now 50% more expensive when it was already too elite to work well in 7th. In 8th, each lost model will now cost me 70+ points. 8th is going to hurt.

>>53616892
I always assumed that the small tube above the barrel was the gunsight.

Makes sense from a munitorum perspective - calibrating the sights at the factory means the soldier doesn't have to spend time recabilrating his weapon after every strip; just slot in the tube and you're ready to go.

It's a LASER gun, that's definetely not the gas tube. The sights likely aren't ironsights but rather some form of powered red dot or ACOG.

And what about SM? They look pretty shit tier now.

>>53617000
I just walked over to the one in my neighborhood and the dude was a doucher so ebay it is

>>53616910
They've taken a bit of a hammering in accuracy terms, now they need five markerlights to get above a 4+ to hit, and there's no twin-linked rerolls either. So a lot more of their shooting will be going wide. Don't know how much weaker they'll be as a result though.

>>53616984
Huh. Maybe I couldn't quite tell from the paintscheme or something, though I am starting to see it now.
I love graveyard scenery and things like that so I think you've helped me decide, anon. Thank you.

New player, looking to play Thousand Sons, ideally without Magnus.

How fucked am I?

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>>53616842
Ultras are Eldar lovers since 1988 boy.

So...do mortal wounds fuck over Death Guard super hard?

>>53617037
Yeah it's a trade off. At least this way you don't have to meet the douchers vis a vis.

>>53617044
They're pretty good now. Really durable and strong at shootiness. You'd do fine, there just isn't much psychic variety anymore.

>>53617061
We still get our disgustingly resilient saves

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>>53613225
Looks like Agent Coulson

Astartes Assemble!

>>53617038
Except Markerlights are now cheaper, and not expended on use, meaning many units can benefit from a single ML on a prime target. Similarly, no more rule that a unit can't benefit from its own ML, so expect to see lots of MLs on FW Shas'ui. MLs overall are about as good, if not a bit better in some regards.

No more rerolls from TL because now we literally get twice as many shots, which is even better.

>>53617038
>and there's no twin-linked rerolls either.
yeah, they just fire twice as many shots, which is objectively better.
and lets you use the rerolling 1 from the 1 markerlight. And marklights aren't expended, so you can use those 5 to focus down one target with multiple shooting.

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Anyone have copy of this to share yet?

>>53617077

Cool! Durable, able to do without transports, and magic was what I was looking for in an army, so Thousand Sons seem perfect.

Plus Tzeentch daemon models are cool, so I might expand eventually by buying some.

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when seeing this artwork it makes me laugh, on my desk i have a deamonnette and a CSM, and the daemonnette has a good ft on the marine

>>53617108
I hope you're able to have fun with them, anon! Good luck starting out and stuff.

>>53617104
http://www.mediafire.com/file/dvac5z3f2kfc8zy/dark_imperium_guy_haley.epub

>>53617135

Thanks, buddy!

>>53615072
hellhound itself looks bad
it's d2 would imply it's main target is heavy infantry , but it's low ap makes it inadequate at task, and with only d6 hits it's to expensive to validate using it against wheat and chaff since you have perfectly serviceable lasguns for that
the bane wolf on the other hand looks like a great buy , with it's high ap chem cannon that wounds all non vehicles on a 2+ it's a force to be reckoned with, it may need a bubble wrap to protect it from being charged however since it only has 8 inch range
(if d6 chem cannon hits and d6 heavy flamer hits on overwatch weren't enough discouragement on their own)

>>53617037
/r/miniswap has given me good results. just remember to go through the proper procedures with paypal so if someone tries to rip you off you're covered

>>53613382
getting an HQ model

>/tg/ throwing a fit about psykers being shit
>In every game weve played Smite spam is disgustingly strong to the point where you need your own psykers to deny the witch
Shocking no one very easy to cast auto hitting mortal wounds are bullshit

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>>53617140
Thank you dear anon

>>53615072
>>53617151
forgot to add , the devil dog seems like a nice anti MC/tank vehicle
though i feel like it's gonna be hampered by having to fire at bs 5+ at best if it moves

>>53615335
yea i foresee this happening a lot, especially since the tank has twice the MS of the infantry

GG nice OC duderinho

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https://youtu.be/r3Dju2i4FZw

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>>53616916
Ah people asked for a guide so I made one for the plaguebearers. Its not really the method I used for the Great Unclean One, but he had so many layers and I painted him months ago so I don't remember everything.

>>53614926
Fuck the fuck yeah

>>53617151
>hellhound itself looks bad
Disagree, that's basically an Autocannon statline. Everything short of a plasma cannon will give heavy infantry a save, so your recourse now is volume of fire, which the hellhound (at 101 points, down 24 from 7th) provides in spades.

Agree on the Bane Wolf, that thing'll eat anything fleshy alive, but bubble wrapping it is kinda dumb since it's supposed to be fast attack. For 96 points it can make back its points in two rounds. And at 3 attacks at s6 with that nasty double-template overwatch it's a mean beast in melee.

The Devil Dog is interesting, though. With a Multi-Melta it has d3+1 Multi-melta shots. That's murder on any vehicle, monster or heavy infantry unit. Crowds will obviously give it trouble. But it's 128 points that way.

>>53617119

Why do Emps Children insist on looking *SO DAMN WEIRD*

Can't Slannesh try and talk them into trying to achieve perfection with their looks? Or obsessing over being attractive? Why do they all insist on making themselves look ... just ... the way they look?

>>53617333
>Can't Slannesh try and talk them into trying to achieve perfection with their looks?
of course. They did, you just can't appreciate true perfection because you are ignorant of the glory of Chaos.

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>>53616842
Roboute is aware of the Eldar birthrate.
>tfw

>>53614926
Where is this from?

>>53617353

I guess you're right. I mean, to be fair, the marine in that art has a demonette gf, and I don't, so I guess I'm not really one to talk

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Trying to plan out some Shriekin Eelz Orks, but I'm not sure if I should do anything to modify a Deff Dread to make it look more like a deepsea-diver mech. The thing is pretty much pressure-sealed anyway, right?

Current SM looking really expensive with minimal firepower? Err why?

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>>53617333
I'll e honest, he looks pretty nice to me.

Though I am a Slaaneshi. I even think this guy is nice, the scars are hot. He sounds super-sexy though.

>>53617353
this

>>53615572
No you can do scytal/melee, the devourer can be traded out for scytals, shit you can run nearly 100 of them in a 2000 point game that way

>>53615736
>two units having aoe attacks equals templates still existing

>>53617333
since marines didnt reproduce or have sex during the time they were not all chaosed up i highly doubt they care about facial appearance of perfection

>>53617388
Man, that's still one of my favorite minis

>Shriekin Eelz
I must have been under a rock or something, because I don't know what that is other than a respectable Princess Bride reference.

Anyway, are Deff Dreads still going to be viable in 8th?

So can scions be taken as troops with a normal guard army?

How are Dark Eldar in 8th?

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> Warboss on Bike
> Three Nob Bikers
> Whole bunch of Boy Bikers
> Every flyer under the sun

Could it work?

>>53617475
One of the best armies, right at the top alongside Orks.

>>53615335
Go fuck yourself - do you think that fucking rhino would have gotten into charge if the chargee didn't stand around sticking their thumbs up their asses for the whole fucking time it would take to get there. Please. It's a game. Deal with it.

>>53617464
They're both Imperium, so yes.

The downside to this is probably that you won't be able to get the bonuses for having your detachment have a certain keyword that'll show up in the Codexes.

>>53617502
>Expensive 4+ save models
Gee what could possibly go wrong?

Blobs of Boyz anon

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>>53612437
I played some biker army and won, with only a chimera, my commander, and a rocket launcher dude left on the table
Was fun

>>53617502
Nah, you need more Boyz. 'ORDES OF EM!

>>53616646
Ultras better get some heat for being such obvious heretics.

Are there any examples or Primaris painted as something else that isn't an Ultramarine?

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>>53617502
Ye can't spell works without ORKS.

>>53617299
i feel like autocannon HWT's will do the hellhound's job better, from further , cheaper

>>53617464
>>53617510
they're both astra militarum even
so yeah you can take them as troops

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>>53617454
Same.

I ran one of those ork clan random creation tables like a year ago and comments spiraled into making a clan of orks that evolve on water worlds and have amphibious dakka, etc. Someone came up with Shriekin Eelz and I fell in love with the name.

I don't usually spend enough to put together a full army or get out enough to battle other fa/tg/uys with them so I really just want to put some minis together that look good.

>>53615789
Guardsmen have no sex while on duty.

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>>53617550

>>53617402
>"HEY HOBO-CHAN DESU!!"

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>>53617508
walked right into it

>>53615922
she's a whiteshield
the others aren't

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Thoughts on this list?

Am considering removing rhino and hellbrute plus warp pistol and a warp flamers for a defiler.

>>53617589
Thanks. They look pretty good as BA.

>>53616841
>still locked up by the elves
>spot taken by The Great Horned One

Okay anon, if ya say so

>>53617592
Well if a hobo had a tongue like that...

>>53617077
I was told the complete opposite

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how viable is this list

>>53616348
>Held together by screws.
I guess whoever the designer was, they didn't take into account battlefield maintenance and field stripping.

>>53615514
That's a good point. With split fire, just say "k these two guys are shooting that one guardsman. Oh he's dead now. K the rest will shoot that character"

>>53616850
Pretty shitty site radius.

I want to get into 40k but I admit I'm not sure what I should take. I would like to start off with the cheaper ($-wise) units to see if I like the game. Could someone recommend a solid 1000 point Tau list that's heavy on infantry and light on Battlesuits/Vehicles?

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>>53617676

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>>53617676

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>>53617393
?????

>>53617676
Well you literally cannot lose an objective. Nor can someone deepstrike behind you.

>>53617581
However, because 'Militarum Tempestus' is a faction keyword, you cannot have a Company Commander order Scions. You need a Tempestor Prime for that.

Unless you simply declare 'Militarum Tempestus' as the regiment for everyone, in which case that works. Has that exploit been addressed yet?

>>53617730
>You cannot choose to replace the <Regiment> keyword with Militarum Tempestus
Literally in the paragraph that tells you what to do.

>>53617730
Yes it's been address in the index. Militarum Tempestus cannot be declared a regiment

>>53615790
>Implying that number of shots has ever been supposed to be literally the amount of bullets being fired

>Heavy bolters literally fire bursts of three rounds

>>53617730
The tempestor prime can give order, Guard Bro,

And it clearly say in the imperium book, that the militarum tempestus can't be a regiment !

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>>53617676

Hopping for a little C&C on the following:

Battalion +3 CP
>9x Wracks - 2x Liquifier Guns, Raider w/Dark Lance
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/2x Splinter Cannon
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/2x Splinter Cannon
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/2x Splinter Cannon
>Farseer Skyrunner
>Haemonculus - Liquifer Gun


Outrider Detachment +1 CP
>6x Shining Spears
>6x Windriders - 6x Shruiken Cannon
>5x Scourges - 4x Blaster
>5x Scourges - 4x Blaster
>Autarch Skyrunner - Laser Lance
>Warlock Skyrunner

Total of 7 CP

>>53617764
>>53617770
>>53617777
Ah, musta missed that. Good, woulda been dumb otherwise.

>>53617676

Assuming you intend to play matched play its not.

>>53617702
You will ned at least 2 squads of firewarriors, and 1 or 2 pathfinder teams for sure.
Kroot are kinda good now so if you aren't going mechanized, you should probably buy some of those too.
If you want some HQ Infantry, take Cadre Fireblade... or just buy the SC Box, Buy one or two boxes of Pathfinders and a box of Kroot.
Should do the trick.
Start Collecting Boxes are basically the best deals you can get, especially for starters and the Tau one is pretty good with a butload of drones, 3 Crisis Suits, a Firewarrior Team and an Etheral.

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>tfw no looted wagons
>tfw no 'ard boyz

>>53617795

Forgot to add to the Battalion

>Wraithlord - Ghostglaive

>>53617811
Pretty much every matched play game type involves objectives. No 2k army will be able to kill 666 models. You will hold every objective.

>>53616095
>issue
There's no issues except your autism at play here.

Has there been any word on armour facing in the leaks? ie. if you attack a vehicle from behind does it have a weaker toughness characteristic?

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So why are thunderhammers the same price as power fists?

>>53615790

>anon points how clunky the template mechanic was and how it could slow down games
>your retort is to autistically whine about "muh realism"

>>53617857
two handed, despite that not meaning anything any more

>>53617848

Matched play games will be limited to 3 detachments.

>>53617891
are unbound armies still a thing?

>>53617856
>thinking 8th ed would allow for this complex of a rule that would allow for some tactics

You poor soul

>>53616322
FUCK HER AND POST THE BATTLE REPORT

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Had a crazy idea
Completely feral orks made from ironjawz
So it would be
Megaboss = Boss with big choppa
Warchanter = painboy
Shaman = Weirdboy
Brutes = Nobs
TONS OF ARDBOYS = TONS OF SLUGGA BOYS
With those options, could it be viable?

>>53617832
Good.

>>53617856
Why would the rear armour of a vehicle be weaker? lol get a load of this guy

>>53617882
but they aren't nowhere does it say two handed and most are modled as one handed

>>53617916

I know I must be deluded.

I would have even settled for a -1 toughness on a rear hit, but even that seems too much to ask for.

Armour facing is kind of important in skirmish games when you'll only have one or two tanks.

>>53617856
No, and thank god that shit's gone

>>53617914

No - Matched play must be composed of Battle Forged army and the rulebook says for 1001-2000 points you should use 3 detachments max.

>>53617856

No - vehicles are monsters in every capacity.

>>53617953

Why?

Flanking and movement are core principles in most war-games, otherwise it just becomes a dice off as to who can get the better roll?

>>53617943
then the only explanation is the 8th ed crew are fucking stupid

>Not driving your tanks in reverse in 8th edition
How to spot a scrub

>>53617967
B-b-but its too slow! And complicated! And I'm a fucking retard!

>>53617949
40k is not a skirmish game. Skirmish games calculate things on model per model bases, not a blob.

>>53617953
god forbid tactics and intelligence play a role

>>53617949

40k isn't a skirmishes game, thus armor values are gay.

>>53617967
>it just becomes a dice off as to who can get the better roll

Welcome to 8th edition

>>53617967
>Flanking and movement are core principles in most war-games
Exactly, and GW want to get a step ahead.

>>53617979

There would be no reason to do so. Assuming you want maximum utilization you should move them sideways.

>>53617994

Welcome to you will lose consistently if that is how you attempt to play the game.

>>53617967
Shhhhhh stop critizing the rules they are *amazing* and realistic you grognard. Those aren't "tactics" groggy play a real game.

Wanted to check one thing with the points limits, when you take a model in your army (like a predator, which comes with a predator autocannon), do you have to pay points for the predator autocannon or does that come with the model's points cost?

>>53617967
Because gw has put too much ambiguity in model facings and they didn't for infantry.

Either have everything follow the rules or nothing follow the rules. Half step is just bloat

>>53617967

Flanking and movement are still important elements of 8th edition. Particularly in combat - charging a strung out unit in the flank will allow you to get more attacks while they get less due to not being able to get as many models within 1" engagement range.

>>53618013
Pay points, yes.

>>53618013
You have to pay for the Predator autocannon if thats the weapon you're equipping it.

>>53618025

Not really.

Infantry in modern combat can spin on a penny, a tank on the other hand should have rules to represent being outmanoeuvred by another tank or being ambushed in a city fight etc.

>>53618005
>There would be no reason to do so
It looks sillier than drifting them

>>53618013

No - you must pay points for the predator autocannon + the predator.

>>53617614
Pls respond

>>53617991
40k was never tactical and it shouldn't have to be. It's too cumbersome of a game to worry about individual positioning. 3rd could handle the burden because the game was still small in scale, but it's too big now.

>>53618038
Woah those are some deep tactics there anon, I should learn from you. Did you go to school and everything?

>>53617967
Play on tables with more terrain you chucklefuck. If you play on planet bowling ball then yes, the only possible tactical move is to get into the rear arc of a vehicle. If there's terrain blocking line of sight, the suddenly you can outmanoeuvre your opponent and set up fire lanes and all that good shit.

Played my first game of 8th yesterday at 2000 points. Orks vs Nids. I was playing orks, but just barely lost (we were playing the relic, and playing to the mission I would have won). Best moment? His tyrannofex shot a battlewagon, got super lucky on the shooting and did 12 damage. He then finished it off with shooting from another unit. It then exploded, dealing one mortal wound to my nearby warboss, four to his broodlord that was sneaking up, and 3 to my critically damaged dakkajet that was flying past. The dakka jet then exploded, finishing off his trygon and the broodlord (that broodlord had wiped every thing i'd thrown at it and had taken to damage).

>>53618056
That's what cover is for.

>>53617614
>>53618071
I don't think a defiler will be necessary since you already have a land raider. Though how does it compare to the helbrute?

>>53618085

Are they anymore complex than moving to the side of a vehicle to shoot at it? Ultimately both provide a mechanical bonus that rewards your movement.

>>53618097
*no damage

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>>53613225
Am I the only one whose first thought was Hannibal?

>>53618112
You're acting like this concept,of charging a thin line is new though, it isn't. It existed during 7th too. So it makes no sense to get rid of something rewarding you for using tactics in 8th ed, like vehicle facings. It's autistic

>>53618089

Yeah but it's still move then shoot.

If you can hit your enemy they can automatically hit you back as it's the end of your movement phase, so it doesn't exactly allow for a plethora of tactical options.

Is it too risky to use an Executioner with Plasma Cannon sponsons even with the re-roll 1s to hit order? I'm thinking Pask in a Punisher+LC+2xMM with 2 Tank Commanders in Executioners+LC+2xPC for added range and -AP.

>>53617926
Ard boyz are gone, but otherwise it is what I am already doing. No one has the money for 40k Ork prices.

>>53618112
The blob flanking doesn't have a chapter in the rules dedicated to it while side armour does. Armor facing is a stupid rule that has no purpose in an abstracted combat game until it's built in for everyone.

>People want to bring back autistic vehicle armor arc arguments in their games
Come full circle

>>53618177

Not really, a -1 to T on a rear hit would suffice.

Just draw a vehicle line along the vehicles rear side and if the shooter is part this line it's a rear hit, not rocket science.

>>53618149
How much are your battlesuits going for on ebay, out of interest?

>>53618146

Not really - it is actually the opposite of autism. Autistic people would enjoy the extra level of rules because most forms of autism enjoy multiple categorizations and structure.

Ultimately vehicle facings weren't really complex from a tactical stand point. There were too many alternate deployment methods that allowed you to take the shot you wanted in the facing you wanted. I might agree with you that it was a tactical element of the game if it was difficult to get side and rear facing shots on vehicles but it wasn't.

>>53618204

> memes

I'm yet to hear a good reason for why GW is gutting the game.

> INB4 multi-million Pound company can't be expected to balance all this.

It could be applied across the board and therefore need very little balancing.

>>53618110
Defiler is tougher and better at ranged IMO

Could also make the hellbrute cheaper by replacing fist with power scourge to give rhino/land raider havoc launcher and a combo-bolter

>>53618177
People are fucking stupid, what else is new?

>but it's easy
Fuck you, try to define the exact armor facing of any elder hover tanks.

Facings were a mistake

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>>53618081
>40k was never tactical

Is it worth it to give my Helbrute a Twin Lascannon and Missile Launcher or should I give it a melee weapon too?

>>53616802
It says "each other" not "every other", theres a difference. "Every other" is an english idiom meaning "alternating members of a set", "each other" does not have this meaning. Instead "each other" clarifies that taking a dedicated transport choice does not itself grant another dedicated transport choice. This is a case where the wording is unambiguous, but if english isnt your first language the dinstinction can be easy to miss.

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>2 40kg full of discussing Helbrutes and Carnifex

I jus wanna talk about my drew Carey :^(

>>53618227

They gutted the game because 7th was an abomination that had gone entirely out of control and the best course of action was to start from square one and rebuild it.

>>53618208
Complexity isn't the real issue. It's just com-fucking-pletly unnecessary and need a retread of the rule book as you explain how it moves and shoot again.

Complete waste of time

>>53618293

Let's chat my friend - I too play Drew Carry (and most other forms of Eldar).

>>53618248
Their melee stats are good and with a weapon your melee crazed procs will fuck people up

I'd go for a power scourge IMO, 7 str 8 ap -2 2d attacks is pretty good

>>53612473
Never managed to get a game in 7th with my AdMech, so probably going to stick with that, and hope for the best.

>>53617856

Nope.

Can pretty much cheese it by driving vehicles side ways with impunity.

Would probably work great for modeling for advantage with Orks.

How are Poxwalkers looking? Statwise they aren't exactly impressive, but do they meatshield well?

I can't remember where I read it, but I remember seeing some unit had an armor save of 7+, what does that mean? Obviously for 8th edition.

>>53618360

It is there because they specifically say in the book you cannot modify a stat of '-' so when you have a 7+ and you get +1 for cover you've now got a 6+.

>>53618319

Hey!

What units are you most looking forward to using? I've got high hopes for Hellions, Scourges and Mandrakes but sad Coven units are so underwhelming and lack of characters coming back...

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Fixed this, now its legal!.

Black Templar, 2000pt Batallion Detachment.

>HQ
Reclusiarch Grimaldus
Emperor's Champion

>Troops
Crusader squad (9+Sword Brother) Meltagun, Chainswords, Power Axe, Power Sword
Crusader squad (9+Sword Brother) Meltagun, Chainswords, Power Axe, Power Sword

Crusader squad (8+Sword Brother) Meltagun, Bolters, Power Axe, Power Sword + Drop Pod (Deathwind Missile Launcher)
Crusader squad (8+Sword Brother) Meltagun, Bolters, Power Fist, Thunder Hammer+ Drop Pod (Deathwind Missile Launcher)
Crusader squad (8+Sword Brother) Meltagun, Bolters, Power Fist, Thunder Hammer+ Drop Pod (Deathwind Missile Launcher)

>Heavy Support
Land Raider Crusader
Land Raider Crusader