MTG Standard General: Not a One-Deck Format Edition

>>53609498
Mediocre control (or midrange with some Quellers or what have you) decks are favored against Marvel, but disfavored in every other matchup. Marvel itself is just a janky combo deck that can brick over and over, but is still favored in every matchup that doesn't have 4+ clean answers because it can turn 4 Ulamog half the time. These results aren't surprising, nor do they contradict Marvel being the tier 0 deck -- it's just less of a tier 0 deck than cat was.

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>>53609498
Nobody but us crickets

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Almost done with this (I know, late to the party) but I'm running 1 khenra charioteer and 3 Voltaic brawler.
Anyways, I want to add fling in the deck as well. What's the best split between fling and uncaged fury?

>Went to Friday Night Magic for the first time in ages to pick up those Aether Hub promos
>Only 7 people show
>Store owner gives us all who showed up a promo and we just play for funsies.

I mean, I'm glad I got the thing I came for but this seems like a bad sign. How is Standard attendance elsewhere?

>>53610904
Draft and Modern do well on Fridays. Standard hasn't fired in a long time.

Have to played in a while. How's the meta for standard? I'm hoping it's better than hearthstone.

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I'm still beign completely Stubborn and playing RW Equipment Allies.
I'm currently digging using Insult//Injury.

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>>53611268
I'd rather play Hearthstone than standard. Tier 0 in standard is rolling the dice to drop turn 4 Ulamog.

>>53611467
Only 1 deck runs that in the top 8 of GP Manila though. Is it just hard to cast it turn 4 or do other decks have a counter to it?

>>53611268
Marvel, Zombies, Vehicles and RG Energy.

You can play some really interesting decks though. UR Tempo/Graveyard , Cycling Drakes, Grixis Intimations.

>>53611590
Negate, Spell Queller, Ceremonious Rejection, praying for fizzle, getting far enough ahead that losing 2 permanents and staring down an indestructible 10/10 that mills you in 3 swings doesn't matter.

>>53611590
You can Counterspell Marvel, Disposses it or out race it.
Once it lands, you can just get Ulamoged.

>>53611643
And oh yeah, Dispossess.

>>53611643
>>53611648
Great

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>>53609786
How can one person be so wrong?

>>53611590
It's extremely high-variance.

Also, it's just not as good as people say it is. People overrate its power because it's so annoying to play against, and also because the last 2 years of terrible Standard environments have fundamentally broken Magic players. I mean, it's clearly the best deck, but not by a large enough margin to be broken or whatever. It's a healthy metagame with unsatisfying play patterns.

>>53613942

All I kept hearing last friday was how people knew Aetherworks Marvel was busted, and it was going to get banned so they wished Wizards would hurry up and do it already.

Things have really devolved rapidly, I'm really surprised.

>>53614322
Things were already quite devolved. Hopefully the NWO has enough of making standard intentionally mediocre.

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This deck got a lot of positive reactions last time. Thought I'd share again.

>>53617331
any deck with Tammy FR is going to be super fucking sweet desu

>>53617331

in what fucking matchup do you board in bestiary?

>>53609498
Spell Queller is literally Coldsteel-tier
>Flashes in behind you
>That's a nice spell you got there
>Nothin personnel, kid

>>53609498
Well, 6/8 Top 8 decks at GP Omaha are Marvel

>>53609498
All those decks look very boring

Ironically, Temur Marvel is the most interesting deck to play out of those by a mile

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>>53609498
>a top 8 that doesn't include a lot of Marvel
>instead it's about 50% Gideon decks

>>53617962
Obviously this GP is an accurate indicator of the metagame and all the other GPs and tournaments are outliers

>>53618006
WU Flash is fucking sweet

>>53617711
Anything slow. New Perspective combo, midrange mirrors, etc. I'd be willing to replace it though if you have any ideas. It's worked out okay so far but I haven't been amazed.
>>53617632
Everyone on stream tells me I ult Tamiyo the most out of anyone they've ever seen.

>>53619008
I mean, ult-ing Tammy is basically one of the top 5 sweetest things you can do in Magic, so obviously it's the correct line of play

dude let's stick turn 4 win the game cards and blatantly pushed and overpowered goodstuff in a weak as shit format with none of the staples colors usually have!

lol, let's tell them we aren't putting said staples like 1 mana ramp, cheap non-narrow counters and hand hate, good burn, 4 mana wraths, or cheap instant exile effects because it holds us back from making the pushed bullshit everyone hates!

How terrible of a deck will this be?

4x renegade map
4x Servo schematic
4x Whirler virtuoso
4x Tezzeret's touch
4x Tezzeret the schemer
3x filigree familiar
3x glimmer of genius
3x dark intimidation
3x fatal push
2x glint-nest crane
2x Nicol Bolas god pharaoh
1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4x Aether hubs
4x spirebluff canal
3x Canyon Slough
3x fetid pools
3x spire of industry
3x island
2x swamp
1x mountain

no sideboard yet

Hmm, I'm changing my UW Colossus deck to UR, and I need to get a sweeper to replace Fumigate in the deck. I'm trying to decide between Sweltering Suns and Engulf the Shore. Engulf is only 50 cents, Sweltering is $2. Engulf is an Instant, Sweltering is a Sorcery (but it has cycling). Engulf will rotate in September, Sweltering will be in Standard for longer. But I'm also thinking Sweltering might drop in price as the year goes on, after all Colossus was a $1 when I picked him up, now he's only 30 cents. What do you think, /standard/?

>>53619353
have yo considered the pros and cons with renegade map vs evolving wilds?

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>>53609498
GP Amsterdam Top 32 Metagame Breakdown:

16 Temur Aetherworks Marvel (50%)
4 BG Energy
3 UR Control
2 BG Delirium
2 4-Color Vehicles
1 Esper Vehicles
1 RG Pummeler
1 Temur Energy
1 Mono B Zombies
1 Jeskai Vehicles

GP Manila Top 32 Metagame Breakdown:

10 Temur Aetherworks Marvel (31%)
4 Mardu Vehicles
3 BG Energy
3 Jeskai Vehicles
2 WU Flash
2 RG Energy
1 4-Color Aetherworks Marvel
1 UR Control
1 BG Delirium
1 BG Midrange
1 Esper Vehicles
1 RG Pummeler
1 Mono B Zombies
1 4-Color Vehicles

GP Omaha Top 8 Metagame Breakdown

5 Temur Aetherworks Marvel
1 BG Delirium
1 Temur Energy
1 4-Color Aetherworks Marvel

>Implying Marvel is not raping almost every deck and tournament by itself
Is /tg/ always this retarded?

>>53619519
I opted for renegade to up my artifact count for added synergy with Tezz touch and making Tezz's -2 better, to give me more answers to late game creatures and indestructible.

Do you think Standard can heal from Eldrazi cycling out?

>>53620558
Maybe. But wizards seems to think that what's good for the players is bad for the company. Until they sort that out, good fucking luck.

I don't understand how Dark Salvation works. Does the -1/-1 effect apply only to the player who was chosen to summon the 2/2 zombie tokens for? Why is this seen as such a good card?

>>53620637
the target creature gets -1/-1 for each Zombie the player who got the zombies has

So you target yourself to get the zombies, and then you target a creature your opponent controls to die

>>53620637
You can have 5 non-token zombies out and then give a creature -5/-5 for B

Gradually working Tireless Tracker into my humans list. I genuinely think green is the more consistent play instead of going all-in on R/W. It's too easy to crush a 100% aggro pile, even in game one.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-humans-big-sigs-crazy-party/

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Wanna try out a crazy Idea, new player and Amonkhet is my first set (Egypt is my crack), and I am having a blast with the cards against a large portion of players.
I want to limit myself to Amonkhet only, make it decently viable and want to know what you think of my White Red Embomber Deck

Creatures:24
x2 Angel of Sanctions
x4 Anointed Priest
x3 Bloodrage Brawler
x2 Heart-Piercer Manticore
x3 Oketra's Attendant
x4 Sacred Cat
x4 Trueheart Duelist
x2 Unwavering Initiate

Spells:9
x4 Magma Spray
x3 Sweltering Suns
x2 Cast out

Lands:22
x10 Mountain
x12 Plains
OR
x8 Mountain
x10 Plains
x4 Stone Quarry
Sideboard:
x2 Anointed Procession
x3 Forsake the Worldly
x3 Tormenting Voice
x1 Cast Out
x2 Hazoret the Fervent
x1 Angel of Sanctions
x1 Plain/Mountain
OR
x2 Stone Quarry

>>53610904
Lucky, we only got 2 people here.

>>53610904
Standard gets around 10-13 players here on average. Standard showdown on Saturdays has only fired once the last 5 weeks.

I don't think it has anything to do with Marvel but no one around here wants to waste money on standard when they could just waste money on modern.

Who here /waiting for rotation/??

>>53624121
NWO wouldn't be so bad if Wizards would stop printing chase mythics and bullshit auto-include mythics like gideon.

>>53624146
You mean if they actually stuck to what NWO was?

>>53610904
I'm relatively new to magic but it seems like My area only plays standard. when I asked about if the store did non standard stuff the guy at the store mentioned commander for potential support from the store and draft if enough people show up, i had to ask about modern for him to even mention it and he said no one really shows an interest.

>>53624121
you could play a deck that's not going to lose any money in the rotation, you know

unless you're trying to dodge Marvel or something

>>53624299
I'm mostly waiting to see what HoD enables. I don't think Marvel is going anywhere without a ban on the namesake card.

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>>53619215
I think it surprises them because so many opponents will just straight murder Tamiyo on sight. This is one of my favorite Tamiyo ults. Just because you can see how many different ways my opponent is dead here.

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>>53624678
This is also another sweet Tamiyo ult.

>>53624047
A very sensible thing to do, modern retains value and has more variety.

>>53610904
Pre-Amonkhet and ban update killed cat-lady, my store stopped hosting standard events because nobody would play it. They only did draft, and to a lesser extent modern with a turn out of like 30 to 40 people. Post-Amonkhet store does a game every 3 weeks with an attendance of like 12 people. People just aren't interested in the format that much right now. I think everyone is just waiting for rotation because every deck is just gideon, eldrazi, lilanna, or all 3.

>>53625026
People are just getting wise of the fact that Standard isn't even fun anymore.

>>53625451
I think it's alright if you're not facing eldrazi or smugcopter. I have no idea why they decided to print so many easy to cheat insanely op cards for a traditionally weak format.

>>53625692
Smugcopter got unbanned?

>playing "competitive" cardboard
why do you do this

>>53625716
I don't think so. Just an example of one of the few blatant op cards r & d let happen.

>>53625738
Yeah, I get that. Smugcopter, the cat combo, Marvel not coming in tapped, Emrakul, Gideon, and Heart are all examples of disastrously powerful cards that are just not balanced for this format.

It's telling that these all see practically no play in modern, simply because modern has an era in it where there were reasonable answers to these bullshit combos. At this point, Standard could safely print Path to Exile and Bolt and it would still not stop these cards.

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Man, looking at the value of boxes is pretty depressing. Battle of Zendikar didn't even beat Dragon's Maze and it's STILL in Standard currently.

Born of the Gods still takes the prize for Most Worthless Set in recent memory but I'll be damned if there aren't a lot of competitors here.

>>53625774
I'm pretty sure Smug, Emrakul and Gideon see modern play. Marvel is basically just shitty tron though, and cat loses to a lot out just because modern is full of faster infinite combos. I think Kiran could show up in modern though, if not entirely because of Gideon ally being a thing.

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>>53625844

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>>53624181
>>53624146
I wish they had some actual fun mythic designs
the only standard legal mythics I really like the design of are Planar Bridge, Void Winnower and pic related
some are OK but most feel like they're either intentionally really bad and not interesting or just a planeswalker they're pushing

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>>53625966
oops meant to post this
I was thinking of that guy when I was thinking about past examples of interesting design though

Is it me or is Standard currently Dies to Removal: The Format?

If something doesn't have some really ridiculous protection, it's unplayable

>>53626689
?????? this is how magic fucking works, creatures have the most "hate" of any card type so either they need to be ridiculously efficient in cost to power/effect, gain value immediately in some way, be cheap enough to be fine trading 1 for 1 with any removal, or be game ending if it sticks in order to be considered "playable"

>>53626751
>be cheap enough to be fine
should be
>be a cheap enough synergy

Playing UR cycle Drakes. When temper and lightning axe rotate I'll be down 8 cards as well as a pretty good discard engine/reward. If they don't print fiery temper with cycling attached I'm.pretty fucked desu. If that happens do I splash white for cast out or just squeeze that 2mana minotaur with discard attached.

Is mono red viable yet. Been playing raper control/super friends and I want to get back to my roots. Pre origins Khan's block was my jam

>>53626832
post a list or something telling us you need replacements doesn't do much if we don't know what else you're running, and don't forget you have a set after hour to get okay shit too

>>53626751
Then what's the point of creatures?

I'm being facetious. I'm just saying that we're in a situation where there are only a tiny number of viable creatures in the format relative to the playable removal.

Best creatures ultimately end up being the ones that seem to be that ridiculous efficiency. It explains why there's dick for aggro decks right now.

>>53626689
People like you have ruined MTG for the test of us. You Timmy cunt

>>53626689

Push kills a large amount of the creatures that are played in the format. Disintegration/Harnessed take care of everything else except ulamog, who costs 10. There's plenty of creatures in this standard that get played that aren't terribly resilient.

It's more correct to say that creatures in standard generally should produce value when they come in to be relevant, with the notable exceptions of scrapheap/various zombies (who just keep coming back or synergize too well with the other cards to not play in the deck) grim flayer (who sets up g/b delirium's gameplan and is a strong card in general) kiran (who dodges removal on the turn it comes in, at least) and others.

I don't know what hell you play in where everyone is playing mono-ulamog and bristling hydra (both of which are in decks that have creatures that are fragile), but I feel sorry for you senpai.

>>53626936

What? Like mardu, zombies, and g/r pummeler? All of which had top 8 finishes at the 3 gp's this weekend?

Does anyone even play this format in this thread?

>>53626832
>>53626881
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/is-it-drake-1/

Whoops my bad. Forgot the list.

>>53626936
>a standard format where the primary grief has been that answers do not match the pace of threats and that creatures are too pushed
Do you even play magic?

>>53626936
People like you have killed MTG. You are the reason it's in such a sorry state

>>53610904
Posted in a similar thread but
>Amonkek prerelease get atleast 16 people
>2-3 people on average on Standard nights
>6 people for the FREE gameday event

They really tried to murder suicide the format with AER and KAL even all my kitchen table friends hate those sets and skipped buying them because generic "magical" machines are just boring in a fantasy setting.

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>tfw you sort of want to build a standard deck but you are afraid it'll eat a ban

t-thanks for the f-fun standard enviroment

>>53627015
Vehicles have evasion because they can't be killed by sorcery speed removal
Zombies can be tapped for restless dead before they're pushed. In longer games liliana's mastery and dark salvation help a lot
Dunno how pummeler manages to survive all this removal

>>53627029
Based on this list you'll be down 10 cards after the rotation. Of the current card pool post rotation you could easily just slot in Cryptic Serpent over the Revelers but removal like lightning axe and fiery temper gets sketchier... from what I can recall the only removal spells that work with discarding are some what meh like Fateful Showdown and Deem Worthy... but you do have a good amount of solid discard outlets still like Bloodrage Brawlers, Hazoret is a decent one, Bomat Courier, there are a few other loot effects in red or blue but they're a bit more conditional like playing an artifact or noncreature spell that you could look into as well

>>53627215
>all this removal

Fatal push, harnessed lightning and uhhhh.....

Wow that a lot of good removal!

>>53627200
try building your own thing instead of pasting what some guys topped last event with then.

or you could just recognize why a deck is strong, if it's because of a busted combo it's probably getting chopped else the deck is fine.

People flipped shit that cat got banned but idk man when the devs of a game tell you a card was a mistake it's probably not a smart investment.

>>53627283
Well I like the whole energy engine

I like the energy saheeli-combo-ish decks just by the playstyle. However I could tell by a fucking mile that Cat or Saheeli was gonna eat a ban so I didn't wanna get anything.

Now its the same thing with Marvel decks.

>>53627232
Oh shit. I lose reveler. Nope. My decks dead now. Back to UB control I guess

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>want to build zombies while they're good
>Rotation is in 3 months
>Gideon.

>>53627308
A bunch of people played Temur Energy this weekend, which is just Temur Marvel's B plan but more streamlined

>>53626689
What creatures other than Bristling Hydra that sees play in top decks has any form of protection?

>>53627200
Avoid marvel, Kiran, gideon and Ulamog.

Literally nothing else will get banned.

>>53627787
Green God, Kiran from sorcery removal, Ulamog, Gideon, relentless dead, dread wanderer, lumbering falls and Scrapheap off the top of my head.

>when a pro you follow tweets some dumb ass leftist shit

>>53627971
>when /pol/acks get uppity about some who cares bullshit

lol

>>53628007
but why does it have to be the pros that i like

>>53627787
Shut up already. You're just bad at magic. People like you are the reason we can't have good things in std. Same reason why they are pushing creatures and midrange and stupid broken shit that can't be interested with gets printed.

>>53627971
When a game you like is infested with degenerates and young men with little to no personal hygiene or social skills but they blame the government for indoctrinating women into not wanting them so they can feel better about themselves.

>>53628057
no u r bad at magic

>>53628100
No. You.

Why is the whole of inistrad going at the same time as zendikar. The card pool is gonna be so shit. I think I'm gonna drop std and never return

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>>53619353
Farts

>>53628802
The whole point of standard is that it changes.

But the real reason is that Wizards caves to whiners on twitter on every single decision instead of showing any leadership or conviction so while they try and plan shit out years in advance everything goes to shit when they change it all last minute.

>>53619353
I haven't knuckled down and produced anything yet but I ordered a bunch of cards to try and build something with Tezz. I think Metallic Rebuke is a big deal for Marvel and Gideon. Terrarion might be cute with Tezzeret's Touch I guess?
I'm not sure what to go with out of control/colossus/maybe ramping into Bolas

>>53619574
>Is /tg/ always this retarded?
Yes.

>>53619574
>6 aetherworks marvel in omaha top 8
what the actual fuck.

>>53619574
>americans and euros unable to think creatively and defeat the marvel

Color me surprised

Any suggestions for a decks for someone who is looking to get into standard but doesn't want to spend too much on their first deck? Preferably one that will exist post rotation and/or has enough good pieces that could go into future decks?

Im mostly playing on cockatrice right now, but looking into fnm

>>53619489
Been playing colossus too. Use sweltering suns or radiant flames. Suns is better though.

I'm buying into G/B energy. Give me secret techs and some of the best forests and swamps, preferably ones that I can foil.

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>>53626689

>>53630025
did you think something else was going to happen?

I top 8'd a PPTQ this weekend with Jeskai Equipment. It's a lot of fun.

List: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/humans-develop-tools-won-game-day/

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This works like this right?

>>53632006
wait isn't it 52?

>>53627887
They're not going to ban Gideon or Ulamog 2 months before they rotate out, that would be retarded. Similarly, it's almost impossible to see what reason they could have to ban Heart. So it's basically just Marvel that could potentially be banned. And I don't think they'll do it given everything we've seen them say, and the fact that it's a reasonably balanced metagame. It's unfun but that's not the same as degenerate.

>>53631768
something else did happen at the other GPs

>>53632006
Should be twice that shouldn't it? Twice Blasphemous Act hits the Reckoner and then twice that gets dealt to your target.

You can 20 someone with a Skred for 5.

>>53631122
Green red pummeler can be made for like $30 and will be around for a while since all the cards except uncaged fury are from aether revolt

>>53628956
the nice thing about ramp out Bolas is both Tezz schemer and Chandra torch both give you the ability to get him out on turn 5 as long as you hit your land drops Bounce is really good for most big fuckers immune to kill spells for whatever reason, since in you're blue and and just counter it or black to rip it out of their hand. Something like Baral's expertise into transgress the mind.

>>53626689
>>53626936
Timmy please go.

>>53610904
Standard and Modern died in my town. FNMs were replaced with yugioh and force of will tourneys cause they have more new players, meanwhile we havent gained a new player since battle for zendikar, but lost many in these couple of years.

I can understamd yugioh being popular cause of tveir series, but cant understamd why force of will became popular at my lgs. Havent olayed it but looks like a ripoff of mtg with anime girls.

Now i have to drive for 2 hours for another LGS and most of the time I just dont make it in time.

>>53635635
There was a time Force of Will became popular in my LGS cause of how expensive was to get the cards to play a T2 deck in the Khans-BfZ era. Then Khams rotated and everything went back to normal.

>>53631275
Check out GP Omaha and GP Manila's lists. It looked fun to play

How did Saffron Olive become the single most important person in Magic: the Gathering who doesn't work for WotC

Seriously wtf get off the dude's dick everyone

>>53638023
Who?

>got Rashmi in a pack so I want to make a Green/Blue deck
>only have cards from Zendikar's Rage and Nissa Kaladesh (and their boosters) to work with

>>53638023
>>53638273

>mildly engaging (personally I think he gets loud and annoying REAL fast but he knows how to make a deck at least) and on one of the most popular mtg sites
>makes a lot of videos
>makes a lot of videos that get posted to reddit
>most mtg players are uncreative or unwilling to invest in brews/unproven ideas so just make his decklists
>tons of people on tappedout, etc who may not know his videos see countless ripoffs and variations and "improvements"

Really it just goes to show how small the MTG related Media scene is

>>53639002
Get the ug nissa from amonkhet and bounty of the luxa and idk make a ramp deck with control elements?

>>53638023
Probably because he has articles and ideas that aren't completely fucking retarded on top of having one of the best sites for mtg.

>play 2 power creature with flying
>beat down every turn
>win

Im gonna get top 8 at a gp easy

>>53641519
holy shit i just won another game like that

magic is free

>>53641519
>>53641838
>spell queller on 3,4 and 5 (no 5 drop)
lmao this format is a BREEZE

>>53625792
>newer cards are less valuable than old cards
holy shit why is this I don't get it? It's not like they're collectables or anything.

>>53632400
Boros Reckoner doesn't double it a second time, RTFC.

>>53610904
Lotta kids playing standard with jank decks, and like, 4-5 people who play meta.
Modern is the more popular format nowadays.

I just picked magic up, is there anything I should know?

>>53643926
lands go in front of creatures

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>>53643926
For most people, it's best to find a card or cards you think are fun and play a deck with them. No need to play the top tier decks right away (they're usually more expensive anyways).

Though some may bitch about it, it's fine to netdeck (playing decks based off lists you find online instead of building it yourself).

Once a creature is declared "blocked", it cannot do damage to the enemy player unless it has trample, no matter what happens to the blocking creature (destroyed, exiled, etc).

This isn't ALWAYS true, but as a rule of thumb: don't play non-haste creatures until after combat, and don't play instant speed spells on your turn unless you need their effects on your turn.

Commander, while popular and very fun, is not a format for beginners. There are frequently complex and unintuitive rule interactions that can really confuse you unless you've played for a little while.

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>>53643994

>>53644286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcDMin1a6EE

>>53643615
>if a source you control would deal damage this turn it deals double that damage instead
>blasphemous act is a source you control that is dealing damage
>26 damage is being dealt to a boros reckoner
>when boros reckoner is a source you control so that 26 gets doubled to 56
Are you illiterate or something?

>>53644065
Should I build a deck from singles or is it worth is to by into sets

>>53644065
That fourth bit didn't occur to me. Thanks!

>>53644497
singles

>>53644546
Thanks I'm new to MTG as well and looking for a budget simple deck to casual duel

>>53644683
Is standard easier to get into than modern?

>>53644683
I usually suggest Red-Green Energy Pummeler (just google that or search for it on mtggoldfish for a decklist) for newer, budget players. It's pretty straightforward and surprisingly effective. You get a big creature on the field and swing for lethal as early as turn 3.

>>53644696
Yes. The card pool is much smaller and therefore not as overwhelming to newer players. You can also get a better standard deck for cheaper than modern, though modern does have its budget options too.

>>53644468
>26 gets doubled to 56
>Are you illiterate or something?
I mean, you're right in principle, I'm just amused.

>>53632006
Yes
>insult replaces all damage you do with twice that amount
>blasphemous act would deal 13 to b reckoner
>blasphemous instead deals 26 due to insult's effect
>b reckoner has recieved 26 so you can deal that much to target creature or player
>target recieves 26 damage. This damage is replaced with 52 damage due to insult replacement effect.

>>53645006
not a mathematical slip just a mental one, I'm pretty drunk right now. I also started the boros sentence with "when" for no reason KEK

>>53645040
Wouldn't it be 26 only because the card says A Source not all/any sources?

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>>53645268

>>53645268
>if a source you control deals damage this turn, it deals double that damage instead
/tg/ really is bad at magic holy fuck

>>53645320
>>53645336
He's probably just not a native english speaker and getting caught up on 'a' looking like it's singular.

>>53645367
a is singular

I got the Amonkhet Liliana starterdeck and i notice that the deck consist of having -1/-1 debuff that targets my cards. How do i play this deck with its attributes?

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>>53645227
American education at work. Nice backtracking dude.

>>53645396
Yeah but it doesn't make the whole sentence only refer to one source.

>>53645427
it does refer to a single source

>>53645503
No it refers to any single source.

>>53645524
No, it refers so a source you control

>>53645529
>being deliberately retarded

>>53645587
Im being retarded? You dont understand english lol

>>53645743
Hey there buddy, just wanted to let you know regardless of whether you are serious or not that people legitimately think like your posting and that's why they have to retard the game down

>>53645811
Idk man its pretty clear on the card

what is the energy green shit deck??

its like rampy and then plays 1 mana 3/4

It also came with two booster packs which I unpacked. I'm curious about opinions on "Hazoret the Fervent"

>>53645942
do you mean red green or black green.
they're closer to midrange aggro than anything else with a small ramp potential. Pretty much energy decks are just "value" the deck.

Are there any decks in this format that aren't "Remove until you play the winning card?"

>>53630853
There's not much to be creative about. Marvel loses to its own RNG, it doesn't lose to other decks.

>>53647633
then why come marvel's winrate isn't the same as its chance to ulamog turn 4 since that's the problem?

>>53645399
You want to try to hit things that advantage you when they die like Festering Mummy and Tattered Mummy. Decimator Beetle also helps clear the counters off your creatures.

Keep in mind that these decks aren't particularly good and only passable if you have a group of people who don't buy very many cards. I remember having a lot of fun with them when my friends and I were in school and poor. But they aren't all that viable otherwise.

>>53611268

Anything is better than hearthstone.

>>53647633
Marvel loses to tempo decks. As it did in the past using Emrakul and as it does now.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bloodline-bling/

Been playing slight variations over 4 tournaments in the last few weeks, placing on average on about the middle of the field. Started as the janky af Drake Haven/Faith cycler deck but then tuned it myself (for better or for worse)

Local meta is pretty competitive.

Question Points:

Is Spell Queller in my case even good in mainboard?
I feel like with a low baneslayer-type creature count its gonna eat all creature removal in the format
Maybe I could use it as a sideboard strategy to replace censor, seems pretty devastating when they play around it and get spell quelled and boarded out all their removal after seeing I dont play any creatures

Does Drake Haven/Call the Bloodline really have any legs?

It seems very slow to turn on, even with an expertise and with the ubiquity of trample effects in ultra aggro decks theres not much use for chump blockers so it doesnt really stabilize you that much, especially since it eats your cards so you really dont wanna see it early or have too many of because of the diminishing returns on each additional one, but playing the duo as a one-of seems hella janky but then again I can win with Jace, Ob and Sorin too but they really are there to fuel my control/token plan

It just seems like I am doing too many things and too many colors at once which dilutes my control plan in a meta thats very aggro heavy

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance anon much love xoxo

>>53645876
Not either of the two arguing, but I don't think it's that clear at all. The way it's worded could be interpreted either way. But Most cards that require a specific source to be chosen would phrase it as "target source" and so I think it's safe to assume that "a source" here probably means "any source".
or you can go to one of the ask a judge threads.

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>>53649662
It's pretty clear that it means any source you control, until the end of your turn. This is how triggered abilities are worded, it isn't even like this is a newly worded interaction because there are like 12 cards that do have the same effect with the same wording. Like you said if it was a singular source it would read "the next time a source you control" or "target permanent"

Is Forsake the Wordly a better card than Fragmentize?

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>>53647717
Ulamog isn't the only option, he's just 4 of the best options. Turn 4 Desolation Twins for example may not automatically win the game like Ulamog can in a few blocked swings but two 10/10's that early on can be a problem if you do not have an immediate response.

>>53649957
I'm relatively new and found it confusing the first time I saw the card. But I did realize it's intention after thinking about it.

I'm not saying that it's without precedence, just that it could be slightly better worded for clarity so arguements like those two earlier doesnt happen.

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>>53648754
Here's my opinion on the issues this deck is going to have (at least in terms of my locals). The early game aggro is nuts right now with the way zendikar/innistrad/amonkhet are supercharging zombies so are gonna have a tough time unless you hit all your early game removal early game since you really do not have any combat units. You do have spell queller but he's just gonna get hit with removal in response. You have counters on your side but with censors low counter counter cost this honestly reduces the amount of responses you could possibly make even further.

You may not want to hear this but if you want this deck to perform better you might have to invest in those torrential gearhulks since they are basically doing what you are already doing except they are more flexible and significantly beefier.

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>>53650970
Also pick up combat land while you still can. Green/Blue has a 3/3 hexproof if you can work out the 1 green cost to animate it.

>>53648518
Marvel loses to Spell Queller specifically, and only game 1. And tempo decks have a worse matchup against Mardu and aggro than they are favored against Marvel. Marvel dominating top 32, and usually top 8, is not a fluke.

>>53624477
Marvel could stay if they drastically up the overall powerlevel and put in thoughtseize, mana leak, maybe some playable card that can remove counters from players (like energy), and so on. Standard is just too weak to handle turn 4 win the game decks, even if those decks are inherently janky and prone to bricking.

>>53649662
>is the raging goblin a source i control
>yes
>double damage

>is this lightning bolt a source i control
>yes
>double damage

its pretty clear

>>53627215

Blossoming defense

>>53627240
Dark Salvation, Grasp of Darkness are pretty good too.

>>53651926
The problem wasn't what qualifies as a source, it was if "a source" means "a single source" or "any source". If a person not used to how magic words their cards it could be misread.

>>53656528
English can be a shitty language at time but the wording is not ambiguous as all

Has anyone tried a human-centric deck with exert creatures and always watching , maybe topping with a glorybringer or 2?

>>53657461
Google RW humans

>>53657674
I'd want a person's perspectives not a deck list

>>53657461
I hope you like getting your Glory-Bound getting bolted immediately and then losing on the spot.

>>53657461
A guy at my locals plays humans with the core primarily being tracers, thalia's, always watching and metallic mimics. It's nasty but zombies does it better to be honest.

Why can't I pull anything good?

Surprisingly I haven't seen a ton of Fatal Push at the place I go to, so I'm trying out an aggro deck with 1-drops like Bomat Courier and Flameblade Adept. I also want to remove threats and think hand-hate like Harsh Scrutiny is underrated.

22x Lands
4x Flameblade Adept
4x Bomat Courier
4x Bloodrage Brawler
3x Archfiend of Ifnir
2x Bloodhall Priest
2x Pia Nalar
2x Invigorated Rampage
4x Fiery Temper (madness)
1x Distemper of the Blood (madness)
4x Harsh Scrutiny..Lay Bare the Heart (combination of)
4x Unlicensed Disintegration..Grasp of Darkness (combination of)

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>>53658514
>I'd want a person's perspectives not a deck list
neck yourself nigger lmao

Haven't played in years. I'm going to be buying packs daily (1 pack/day to get me through work) and am looking to slowly make my way up to being able to form a constructed standard deck. Which expansion has the most value/playable cards that I should focus on first?

>>53663259
Don't ever ever buy packs to make a deck ever.

>>53663350
Should I just buy the singles instead? The only reason I buy packs is for the gamble.

>>53663384
buying singles to create a deck is 100% the most efficient method, but if you're in a situation where you need something to get you through the day and cracking a pack is that then buy a box and open a pack a day when you get home from work

>>53663457
>implying someone who needs to crack a pack on a daily basis to get through the week will be able to contain himself from opening 36 packs right in front of him

>>53663259

Check out >>53625792

There is a very low chance of you opening value from a pack. If you have to sate your gambling addiction, you'd be better served playing the lottery (and at least then the money would go to your local schools rather than Wizard's pockets).

>>53663259
singles have the most value. if you just want to build a deck kitchen table style I guess buy aether since it's not coming out for a while?

>>53659893
Archfiend of Ifnir seems too slow compared to the rest of the deck, and it doesn't look like you have enough synergy to make Pia Nalaar worthwhile. I think you might want a couple more discard outlets, like Heir of Falkenrath or Furyblade Vampire. Also, consider Lightning Axe for removal.

fatal push was a huge mistake

>>53664465
What the fuck did you just say to me?!?!?!

-teleports behind you and pushes you fatally-

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What happened to the Gearhulks ?????

>>53664465
>Black - the color that should excel in creature removal
>White has gotten more and better removal than Black has in years
>Black finally gets a playable kill spell and everyone gets their panties in a twist

>>53664564
its more than playable

Unpacked Nahiri today and want to throw her in a deck. Any suggestions for a budget player/newbie? Found a cheap Naya Humans/exert deck that seemed fun.

Only have the one and shes my first planeswalker so I feel compelled to use her.

>>53664668
Is that supposed to convince me that I should be against it?

>>53664555

Eh? What's this from?

>>53665417
Alter art

>>53663828
I'll probably swap Pia out for Kari Zev. I used to have Cathartic Reunion for more discard. Lightning Axe is a definite addition. Will fit it somewhere.

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>>53664564
>White has gotten more and better removal than Black has in years

White has always been the best at removing creatures. It was true on the first day of Magic and it's true now (Standard notwithstanding)

>>53667212
Is that Kenny Loggins?

>>53667212
White always has a 'drawback' to it's effect though, while black can get away with much lighter 'drawbacks'