AGE OF GUILLIMAN CONFIRMED

>>53600110
Scan/PDF/ePub?

F to pay respects for Warhammer 40,000. Chewed up and spit out by the EA of the tabletop industry.

>F

I'm going to need some proof on that.

>GW advance the storyline, it's boring and stagnant!

>Okay

>FUUUUUUUUUUU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53600163
>advance the storyline GW!
>DUHHRR OK *advances the storyline in the most retarded way possible*
>what the fuck, this is retarded!
>WHY ARE YOUGH MAD U SAID ADVANT DA STORY

>>53600175
So basically you're mad because you didn't get to write the story?

...Emperor can talk?

>>53600110
werent all 20 primarchs supposed to be psykers of some level?

>>53600208
Cawl added text to speech to the golden throne.

>>53600208
telepathic collect call

>>53600235
>The Emperor's Text to Speech device is canon in 40k

SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT
SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT
SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT

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Nice bait.

>>53600110
>>The Sisters of Silence see Guilliman as living saint - they are glad he is back and they worship him.
u mean sisters of battle?
confused?

>>53600235
Wait really

>>53600110
>>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - he calls them even "Cawl's blasphemous hordes".
>>He only sees them as a tool (atleast for now)

So... he's about to make the same mistake as the Emperor?

>>53600294
Nah, it's a series of YouTube videos.

>>53600110
>Thiel

Who would win in a Marty Sue Showdown?

Aeonid Thiel, Nykona Sharrowkyn, or Garviel Loken?

>>53600310
the sins of the father, anon

Since when Guillian is religious? BIG E being a cunt is to be expected. I'm gladd we are moving the focus away grom him.

>>53600352
Loken. His plot armor is at least a 2+ rerollable.

>>53600281
SoS are Culexus with the Big E's blessing. SoB just pray really hard to Him.

>>53600110
>When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool

>implying he actually had a fucking CHAT with the Emperor on the the throne

stopped reading

>>53600658
He did, the talk was telepathic.

Apparently the Emperor could just talk with people all along, why he did is something only Guy Haley knows.

>>53600658
I stopped reading 11 years ago. 40k's fluff started going to shit long before Fantasy's.

>>53600708
He did talk in old novel Draco.

>>53600708
>Apparently the Emperor could just talk with people all along

Guilliman says the Emperor has lost the power of subtlety. He probably would have killed most people with his telepathy if he had tried to talk to them.

>>53600733
Yes but it wasn't really a conversation with him, it was more like being stripped bare by a hive mind, put back together, and having to hear out it's opinions for a litte.

Also I think there was something about Emp's attention mattering to where it goes and what it does. I don't know how important that is in current fluff.

>>53600110


>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - he calls them even "Cawl's blasphemous hordes".
>He only sees them as a tool (atleast for now).

mmmmmWAT

>>53600352
Iskandar Khayon is a bigger sue than all of them combined

>>53600968
Huh?
>Choose between the three Sue's..
>Picks the narrator from Talon of Horus.

>>53600110
>It's also implied that he actually is a psyker
Isn't this the case for almost all primarchs and most of them repress their powers?

pdf or epub leak yet?

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>>53600110
How grim. So dark.

>>53601056
Most of them have derivative powers, not full psychic powers eg corax could become invisible, curze could see the future.

>>53601069
Right here, bruv.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/dvac5z3f2kfc8zy/dark_imperium_guy_haley.epub

>>53601225
Thanks.

>>53601225
Is this actually legit?

>>53601415
Yep. It's legit.

>>53601415
Can confirm it is.

>>53601450
>>53601511

okay gonna let myself get memed for the lolz anon.

>>53600110
Does anyone else feel like Master of Mankind was just thrown together because they needed to advance the plot?

>>53600142
F

I've finally gotten around to reading the gathering storm, but I don't know what to read that continues the story. Can anyone help a dummy like me?

>>53600110
>meet the new boss, same as the old boss

All I'm getting from this summary is that the history is just going to repeat itself, going into another cycle of the same shit.

>>53600110
I actually think is pretty cool. It's actually more Grimdark than I thought it would be

>>53600110
>Emperor has lost of his humanity, if he ever had it to begin with
>Guilliman is disillusioned
>The son becomes the father
>Self-hating psyker

I unironically like all of this although I'll have to read the book itself to say if it's good writing or not.

>>53600110
SPRITUALLIEGED.com

>The book starts roughly 100 years after the Heresy - with the death of a Primarch. Guilliman vs Fulgrim, finally written down to enjoy.

So was it a mutual KO or did Fulgrim kill him and just leave.

>>53601707
Literally look a few posts above you, there's a Dark Imperium epub.

>>53600142
F

>>53600163
It's almost like there's more than one fan of 40k and they might want different things! Gee Wilkers batman, who'd have thought!

>>53600110
The book confirms Yvraine lied, Guilliman can take off his armor just fine. He does it in the first 40k-era chapter.

>>53600142

Except this company makes things of value and artistic.

>>53601980
You have a lot of things to catch up on after your 10 year long coma friend. Congrats on your recent recovery though

>>53601967
If you really want to read it at way. Realistically it just confirms GW writers do the barest minimum of reading and coordination, and not even that much.

>>53602040
And sometimes*

ok, ok, ok, let me get this straight, the Emperor has conscience and can talk to other people? I thought he was a corpse which was kept "alive" just to powerup the astronomican, I didn't know he was conscious and could have converstations with other people, this is actually very fucking new for me.

>>53601415
No, it's dolphin porn.

>>53602090
He hasn't had any confirmed conversations since Chaos Child, which current BL would rather you forget, and implied convo with Alicia Dominica

>>53602091
It's not :(

Now I have to find my own dolphin porn

>>53602241
Just buy Friday the 13th off steam, and enter the Konami Code at character selection. You get twenty GB of it as an Easter egg.

>primaris conduct an order 66 withoit gulliman noticing
>kills off all the normal marine chapters and replace them
>gulliman tries to sperg out and have them all hunted down and killed, but is calmed down by his shitty elf waifu
>gulliman is now sureounded by a new cast of wacky and quirky demi-primarchs
>he hates them all
>their autisism leads to horus heresy 2.0

>>53602348
Maybe Rawbutt can give us more then ten thousand years of Saturday morning villainy.

>>53602090
He explicitly doesn't have a conscience. He has no humanity in him whatsoever, and sees everyone else as mere tools to be used in his quest for Godhood. That's why Guilliman is so butthurt.

>>53600142
F

>>53602090
Pretty sure he's always been able to talk, it just takes a lot of concentration since he's holding back a daemon horde, is in constant agonizing pain, and has a fractured mind.

>>53600163
We were hoping it wouldn't suck, yes

I don't think that's super unreasonable

>>53602539
It is though. If you thought it wouldn't suck then maybe Carnac is right and you guys don't follow the fluff. I mean, Gathering Storm was, from a very relative standpoint, decent, but it was very optimistic to assume it wasn't an anomaly

>>53602455
I think he meant conscious as in awake, not conscience as in jiminy cricket.

>>53602090
It's new to us all, friend.

>>53600110
>he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool.
>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - He only sees them as a tool

>>53600110
It turns out Gulliman agrees the Emperor's fedora-tipping was retarded:

>‘If you do not hold with the teachings of our glorious church,’ said Mathieu ‘then why did you treat with us at all?’

>‘Because the Adeptus Ministorum has power, and though it has used that power unwisely on occasion, once the balance sheet is reckoned, I see it is and has been a force for good.’

How do you feel about this, tg?

>>53602919
Hes right, you know

>>53602919
Neutral. Most glad they didn't turn Guilliman into a super fedora tipper like his father, have him end the Ecclisiarchy overnight, and get away with it without consequence for the greater Imperium; because I bet they put serious thought into doing something retarded like that

>>53602090
There have been "lots" of people that could talk to the emperor although not directly, like that one time a shard of his soul appeared aboard of an imperial navy vessel.

>>53602919
That is fine you can't change something that worked for thousand of years as soon as you come back and in the middle of the greatest shitstorm ever after the HH.

>>53600352
I, CATO SICARIUS, WOULD EMERGE VICTORIOUS IN SUCH A STRUGGLE AS I, CATO SICARIUS, AM THE SUPERIOR ULTRAMARINE

>>53602919
Inevitable. It's not like they could ever get rid of the religious nature of the Imperium, it's too central to it's identify. Therefore, if rowboat is to be the new leader of the imperium he has to be at least tolerant of that aspect.

Plus. it makes sense. As a character that's mean to be this enlightened natural born civilisation builder, it's only natural for him to be aware of the fact that religion is a powerful tool when used to support a government and for him to be willing to use it as such from a solely pragmatic perspective.
And there's also the fact that if he opposed the imperial faith, primarch or not, he'd almost certainly be declared a heretic. Probably say he's daemon prince in disguise.

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>>53600110
>shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool.

You'd fucking think after 10,000 years to mull over how badly you fucked up, you'd maybe learn something and realize that you fucked up by having this kind of view to begin with, but I guess the Emperor is just that kind of retarded.

>>53603293
Space marines go against the imperial faith as do the adeptus mechanicus. It's common enough where a primarch saying the emperor was just a man wouldn't be that outlandish given most space marines hold that belief.

>>53603446
Big E has Asperger's

>>53600294
DOES ONE NEED TO BE ENLIGHTENED TO THE TEXT TO SPEECH DEVICE SERIES?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR8Six9qpcA&list=PLyiDf91_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA

Gulliman doesnt hate the Primaris. The OP is a misreading. He knows they are 'blampheous' (thry technically are), but doesn't give a fuck.

>>53603527
If anything it cements my allegience with Chaos senpai. Man is tainted by the warp by nature, and contributed to the power of the Chaos Gods more than any other race. Man deserves Chaos like Chaos deserves Man.

Chaos Undivided 4lyfe

>>53600110
>>It's also implied that he actually is a psyker and tries not to use his potential because of Magnus' censorship.
I've always figured ALL the Primarchs were psykers to a greater or lesser degree. "It's fuckin warp magic and shit" is literally the only way to explain their bullshit power levels without completely busting suspension of disbelief, and they are the lineage of the Emperor who was the most powerful psyker to ever exist.

>>53603553
I want to live through sex, not get gored, flayed, and or killed.

What the hell is all of this?
Wasn't the setting supposed to be the story of a man that, for all his power and knowledge, was still human and therefore prone to emotion, illogic and being blinded by the best of intentions?
What's the point of his big plan to properly evolve humanity if he basically doesn't give a shit about anyone?
Wasn't this supposed to be the tragedy of humanity exemplified simply because he was too human for his job, and couldn't separate his feelings from what needed to be done because he still cared?
Where's the emotion in all of this?

>>53600142
F :(

>>53603489
They do not "go against." There's a difference between a few chapters respectfully doing their own thing/the mechanicus being syncretically absorbed but still largely independent, and the new would-be leader of the imperium going full fedora and banning the imperial faith.

>>53603446
It's as if the combined consciousnesses of 200 prehistoric sorcerers into one individual has some issues connecting with other beings not like him.

I think I'm done with this franchise

>>53603791
>Wasn't the setting supposed to be the story of a man that, for all his power and knowledge, was still human and therefore prone to emotion, illogic and being blinded by the best of intentions?
No.
>Wasn't this supposed to be the tragedy of humanity exemplified simply because he was too human for his job, and couldn't separate his feelings from what needed to be done because he still cared?
Also no.

This was supposed to be a rip off of Dune crossed with a rip off of Nemesis the Warlock.

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>>53603791

The answer is very simple.

>>53603791
The implication is that he doesn't give a shit now, after 10,000 of endless suffering and a fractured mind, not that he was always like that.

>>53603791
Remember that episode of Futurama where "God" tricked Bender into being pro-active, because he tricked Bender into thinking God wasn't interested in helping anyone?

Maybe it's like that.

>>53602919
I feel like Warhammer 40k is being written by atheists and people without an understanding of what religion is like, and so they really don't understand why the Emperor should be a saviour figure or how important it is to emphasize the human nature of the Emperor, as opposed to the Emperor being some super-powered autist.

>>53604050
Unfortunately true. Current GW calls replacing quality with shit retelling it "correctly, authentically, and appropriately,"
Even more funny because a month after that post he repeats the "everything is canon" line in an interview saying it's okay if people don't like the fluff he writes because the fluff he writes is "my story".
Anyone who strictly follows 40k canon is a joke desu.

>>53604050
Fuck off Goldberg.

>guillyman hates being treated like a tool by the emperor
>Treats primaris marines like tools

Pottery

>>53600110
Ku'gath appears in this book, and he's a gigantic dick. Papa Nugle's boys are having fun and even playing music before that jackass shows up and literally demands everyone stop having fun.

>>53600110
So I assume we aren't going to find out what happened with Omegon and Guilliman yet huh? I wonder what that will lead into.

>>53604179

How does it feel that what you feel 40k should be is irrelevant, and the company does not want your opinion? How does it FEEL to know your FEELS aren't FEELY enough to matter?

>>53601881
The Ultramarines teleported him away.

>>53604187
I like the part where Mortarion gets TOLD by Typhus.

>>53603126
I wonder how Alfa is going to deal with this in TTS?

>>53604146
I don't think grimdark Nazi Catholicism inspired by the villains of a 2000ad comic is a reasonable place to expect a positive portrayal of religion.

>>53604303
You would think that Morty might have figured some of this out by now.

>>53600110
Realistically all of the Primarchs are psychers in someway shape or form. How else do you think Mortarians stank ass gets all those stealth rules?

>>53604303
I like how he literally keeps his adoptive papa's soul in a jar.

>>53604668
wait, what?

>>53604187
Everyone shut the fuck up I'm trying to plague.

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>>53601225

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>>53600110
wasn't Guilli one of the only Primarchs who actually comprehended they were nothing but tools? I guess he might have expected some form of affection from his creator, but nothing like a Father-Son relationship.

>>53604756
After he became a daemon, Mortarion apparently spent a thousand years single-mindedly tracking down the soul of the alien creature that adopted him on Barbarous and then crammed it in a jar to torture forever. Compensating for the failure of his original rebellion and for the fat that the Emperor had to intervene to kill that creature in the first place. It's such a Mortarion thing to do.

I'll never understand why /tg/ bitches about m-muh Marty Sue. The entire point is that they're all Marty Sues.

>>53600142
Why are the fans of this setting such autistic doomsayers

>>53604180

Ceramics.

>>53604362
not him, but I think it's more about the archtypes of a religious story that he means. If you take that away and the emotion behind it, it makes things kind of boring, and I sort of see the writing going in that direction too.

>>53604932
Nice. 10/10 what a good use of ultimate daemonhood.

>>53603791
It's dead.

>>53600208
Emperor has had telepathic talks with intruders before.

>>53600208
He talked with a dark angel while he was being cleansed of chaos taint.

>>53604907
Girly had parents that loved him so he didnt have daddy issues like most of the other Primarchs, but yeah he probably expected Big E to not be a dick of such gigantic proportions.

>>53604932
Talk about resentment. It's perfect.

>>53605638
He also relates to Ku'gath better than most daemons because they're both miserable asshats with something to prove.

>>53602919
You are an idiot. Girlyman in the novel disdains religion. It's just that the Imperial church is so entrenched in the Imperium that it's impossible to remove so he might as well use it fr the greater good.

>>53605706
He's genuinely asking himself whether the Emperor is/has become a god by novel's end.

>>53605028

Ceramites.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ceramite

I completely understand the daddy issues primarchs who landed on shitty planets but I can't quite understand the ones who had nice upbringings having issues. Then again my boy Vulcan and I think Lion El didn't have daddy issues. Lion might have but nothing near Magnus who admittedly is my favorite too and the rest.

But I can grasp what some of you said about the Emperor being a real jaded monster who is more of a chaos god of order than a human. Gully has just a thousand years or two of life vs a man who saw the rise and fall and rise and fall of man for basically 50,000 years if I recall right and he was born in 10k BC anatolia. 40k BC when

>>53604932

I thought his dad was a human, not an alien. But shit if it was an alien then I don't blame Mortarion.

The primarch stories really are quite fascinating. Some of them can be a bit hammy but they really have a wonderful dramatic personal nature to them.

>>53600310

If Dark Imperium wasn't already taken for the North of the Gork's grin that makes me think of the primaris marines splintering away not into the realm of chaos but their own little "Fuck you Nu-Emperor Roboute you suck" heresy.

>>53600708
It probably takes a shit ton of effort and moreover unless the person he is talking to is willing to listen it's worth fuck all.

He talks to the high lords of Terra and htey go "yeah okay sure" and leave and nothing happens.

So 8th takes place a century or so after gathering storm. Fucking finally, I was waiting for confirmation of how long the timeskip would be.

>>53601967

She didn't want people to see the hickies she left on Gully.

>>53602919

From what I understand the Ministorum has done much good, it's the Inquisition that is much less of a balanced entity. Even there it's a necessary evil, but the Ministorum is more of a necessary good. Only faiths that are two steps removed from chaos worship or alien worship are going to be utterly incompatible. They go out of their way to try and accommodate and tolerate anything that can work in the emperor as, in that Roman model of old, the one you swear fealty to. It's actually a hell of a lot like the Romans naturally, where worship of the emperor was more akin to fealty to your country or nation than a religious observance. They just didn't speak in the dialogue of city-politics on the international stage and neither does the Imperium of Man. What's easier for the common person? Obey this dictator because he is powerful, or obey this dictator because he is god or the shadow of god on earth?

And >>53603293 it fits the popular philosophical narrative of "If god didn't exist man would have to invent him" and the notion that religion is an invaluable asset in stability and success of the state because of its binding qualities.

>>53603446

The man has seen mankind for 50 thousand years. I am an optimist and I hate misanthropes but at that stage one would either become the penultimate misanthrope or the penultimate "I know how to fix this shit shut up and listen".

Think about how jaded and cynical an old man is. Let's say an old man is able to be 90. Emperor borne in 10,000AD. He's had 555.55555555555 lives to accrue bitter old man points.

>>53604324
Tzneetch pulling a prank call. Isn't there a portal there that the Custodes accidentally went through

>>53601967
She didn't lie. She just said you probably shouldn't take that armour off because they just ressed him

>>53600142
Rest in peace 40k, you will be missed. F

>Girlyman is no match for daemon Fulgrim
>Girlyman is no match for daemon Magnus
>Girlyman is careful of facing daemon Morty because facing his daemonic is quite dangerous because he would be outmatched

On the other side of the coin

>Grey Knight characters punch out daemon primarchs like it is nothing

Justify this, /teegee/

>>53606532
Grey Knights were hand crafted to fuck daemons, and do nothing else

>>53606532

Grey Knights are specialzed daemon hunters. Rowboat is a generalist who has to be good at literally every job.

>>53606532
>daemon hunters can hunt daemons
justify what

>>53602919
If he backs the Ministorum by building the BIGGEST BESTEST CHURCH ever, it's just one more Justinian nod, innit?

>>53600110
Aw shucks, based Haley gad to follow with ADB' shitty ideas. Guiliman not likinf Primarines is cool, SoS being adepts of the Emperor's Divinity isn't, and Guiliman being a psyker is just stupid. At this rate every damn Primarch will be revealed to be Psyker, which makes Magnu's censure zven more fucking stupid.

>Ventris looked uncomfortable. ‘My heart says yes, but that primarchs can be mistaken is an obvious conclusion when the argument is reasoned through, my lord,’ said Ventris. ‘Your admission does nothing to lessen my respect for you. We of the Ultramarines remain human, despite our transformation. We make mistakes. As a son grows, he learns that his father is not infallible, whether he is glorious or humble.’

>‘Sometimes I wonder if I am human at all,’ said Guilliman thoughtfully. ‘In any meaningful sense.’

>‘If you were not, you would not care for the fate of other men.’

>‘Many of my brothers did not. Maybe it is an affectation?’

>‘Humanity is not measured on form alone, but by deeds, my lord,’ said Ventris. ‘A mortal man may be inhuman towards other men, yet I have seen xenos behave with honour and fairness when we offer them nothing but hate.’

Wat? Name xenos species that treats mankind with honour.

>>53606689
Jokaero, when they're offered Banananas.

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>>53600110
What is this? Am I missing something? Why is girly man in the chaos section?

>>53606532
I think it's still a big deal for daemon primarchs. Draigo had to use Morty's true name to explode him and Angron took a shitload of grey knight termies with him.

>>53606761
He has a Dark Angel with him

>>53605706
>so he might as well use it fr the greater good.

REEEE STOP STEALING FROM TAU

>>53606761
There are two other characters in that set.

>>53606662
Every Primarch was a psyker, just to varying degrees of usefulness. They're part warp creatures, it would be more surprising if one of them wasnt a psyker.

>>53606778
Why do no other dark angels show up in the chaos tab then? Am I just missing something?

>>53606795
So grey knights and Cypher are agents of chaos now?

>>53606820
Yes, especially the Grey Knights.

The greyshields are an interesting concept. I wonder if they'll be warrior lodges; the sequel.

>>53600163
I did not and have never wanted the storylines of 40K or the dead WHFB to progress. Both were settings in which many stories took place, not a stories in themselves.

If only fucking morons would understand that.

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>>53606689
Aeldari

>>53606689
Imperial forces have worked with the Tau and Eldar before. And Blood Angels had that moment with the 'crons. There are probably lesser races that are alright with them too, like the ones in the ffg books that are space gypsies.

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Just finished the book.

Quick notes:

> Overlords (dropships), Reivers (Edgelord assassins), possibly Scouts are new Primaris units without models
> Sisters of Silence and Custodes are back in a big way, but no surprises there
> Marneus Calgar is feeling cucked by Guilliman's return and the Primaris marines, most of his POV chapters are spent whining about how he feels like he's getting replaced
> Belisarius Cawl essentially created an Abominable Intelligence to serve as his eyes and ears
> As a result of communing directly with the Emperor, Guilliman now has daddy issues that would put Horus to shame
> Guilliman still believes in the Imperial Truth
> To the point that his interactions with the Ecclesiarchy sound like Life of Brian in space
> Primaris Marines have 22 gene-implants, universally
> One implant/modification is called the Irradial Whorl, but no mentions as to what it does
> Even Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, etc. have all functioning organs and no mutations
> No mention of Black Rage, Canis Helix, etc.
> Cawl has access to all the Traitor Legion gene-seed, plus the lost Second Legion, and apparently tests have concluded that there's nothing wrong with their gene-seed
> Cawl's Cawl Inferior suggests to Guilliman that they be activated, he nixes the idea immediately
> Guilliman thinks Cawl is going to bring back the Traitor Legions + Lost Legions anyway
> Primaris Marines fight in mixed-Legion format, with Dark Angels, Iron Hands, Space Wolves, etc. fighting together
> Iron Snakes are implied Ultramarine successors.

That's all I've got off the top of my head.

>>53606689
Eldar, sometimes. Maybe Tau.

Orks, if you count honorable battles.

>>53607003
>Cawl has access to all the Traitor Legion gene-seed, plus the lost Second Legion, and apparently tests have concluded that there's nothing wrong with their gene-seed
>Guilliman thinks Cawl is going to bring back the Traitor Legions + Lost Legions anyway
Of course Cawl is. It's not like there aren't loyalist chapters of marinelets descended from the Traitor Legions running around already. What's a few dozen more?

>>53606689
Isn't there fluff that says the ultramarines find the tau honorable combatants?

>>53607140
Cawl's fucking nuts, he'll do whatever he pleases. There are a couple of sentences so far when describing Guillimans refitted flagship that Cawl is real close to dragging the admech into schism with all his semi-heretical innovations.

>>53600142
F

>>53607003
You forgot
>Puritan Inquisitor factions are still refusing to co-operate with Girlyman on things (such as warp knowledge)
>Girlyman told them to go fuck themselves and created the Historitors to dig up all the information that was burned, buried or misplaced

>>53607203
>Guilliman pissing off the Inquisition and seeking old forbidden knowledge
This can't possibly go wrong

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>>53607003

> Belisarius Cawl essentially created an Abominable Intelligence to serve as his eyes and ears

Oh fuck...

>>53607212
They're teams of commando scholars that travel the galaxy finding old vaults of knowledge, recording it and sending it home. They go into warzones to drag a few books out.
I kinda want to make an army of them.

So the entire setting has been reduced to the invincible Guirlyman and his friends going on an epic journey to save the galaxy?

>>53607203

My favorite part of that is that Guilliman mentions how no one knows what the year is -- to the point that it may be anywhere from the beginning of M40 to the beginning of M42.

>>53607214

Cawl INSISTS that it's not AI, and that it's just an absurdly complicated servitor apparatus that functions off of trillions of predetermined contingencies, powered by the Warp.

It passes the Turing test with flying colors.

Guilliman is not pleased.

>>53607003
Iron Snakes have been Ultramarines successors since their creation by Abnett you dumdumb.

>>53607241
>One of thousands of secret conflicts conducted by rival factions in the Imperium, the Chronostrife was a bitter, ongoing internal war within the Ordo Chronos over the Imperium's dating system.
The timecops are back and they're killing each other over calendars.

>>53601622
The Path of Heaven foreshadowed quite a lot of it, so no.

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>>53607003
>he feels like he's getting replaced
Calgar had.. a hard life

>primaris genome marines trained by nanomachines to be the PERFECT SOLDIERS

>>53607003
What did you think of the book, as a book? Worth paying $16 for? (I know the link is in this thread, but I've liked Guy Haley's previous work enough to consider buying it.)

>>53607271

>powered by the Warp.

Talk about playing with fire.

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>new lore!
>space marines win
>guillimann wins
>guillimann wins again!
>space marines win again!
>chaos lose
>chaos lose everything they gained in the gathering storm (and more)
>imperium no longer on the verge of collapse
>did I mention space marines beat everything in their path once again?

>>53607309
The 2 Kearney books about him ate all right, if a wee bit dull. But that can be attributed to Calgar being the archetypal "Good Hero". I've just started the book, I'll see how Haley portrays him.

>>53607316

I bet that the AI rebelled because the DAoT humans started powering their AI with the warp.

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>>53607271
>Powered by the warp
REEEEEEEEEE HERETEK

>>53607321

You forgot that Guillimann is banging an elf as well.

Truly the Ultramarines are the masters of the universe.

>>53607309
Don't know why.

Guilliman has enough on his hands that I figure Calgar would still be in charge of both the Ultramarines chapter and ultramar.

>>53607339
keep me posted

I dig old and weary heroes. If Calgar's taking pages from Agemman's book, I'll be pretty excited about seeing more of him in the future.

>>53607412
Guilliman's taken an interest in old Cato and is trying to turn him into a leader instead of a brash warrior with an ego the size of the Emperor's.

>>53601799
I gotta admit, I did not expect them to be setting things up this way - the 'full circle' aspect. Mostly because it feels pointless, but then again, I thought moving the plot forward was also pointless, so this is probably the best possible outcome.

>>53607395

The only thing missing is him creating the Tau or something...for science.

>>53607467
If Guilliman finishes his Codex Imperialis then the Imperium might actually improve, so I guess thats a plus.

>>53600163
The only people who would want a setting set at a 'two minutes to midnight' scenario and with heavy themes of stagnation to advance are fucking morons. It wasn't meant to advance. It was meant to be a backdrop for you to tell your own stories. Just an idea but maybe the people complaining about the poor direction are different people to the ones that were complaining about no advancement? You're not one of these people that go around spouting shit like
>People want truescale marines
>GW releases space marines that aren't space marines in neither fluff nor appearance that are the same size as the coveted truescale marines
>People are upset because it's dumb
"YOU HYPOCRITES!"
are you?

Interestingly, Guiliman calls Cawl an "insane polymath". It does suggest/affirm people's theory that he is part of or at least learned from several cults of the Mechanicus, not just one.

>>53607500

Advancement was inevitable. This business model demands new models every few years.

Uh, "Maccrage's Honour" is still the UM flagship. I would have thought Gloriana-class battleship would have all been turned over to the Imperial Navy by 40k. I guess UM have some privileges.

>>53607563
>first founding chapters
>having to listen to anyone
laughingspacewolves.jpg

>>53607563
and the fists still have the phalanx

First founding chapters get benefits thanks to their substantial achievements. News at eleven.

>>53607546
Jolly good that they have both an entirely galaxy and 10 thousand years to work with then. Never stopped them from having new models before. Lest we forget papoose knights and marines wearing two sets of power armour. The entire universe was designed with room for the players to make shit up for themselves, this same room is what would allow them to make new shit themselves. Hell, there are even a few things that exist in setting that don't have models, let alone non-forge world models.

>>53607584
True enough. But the First Founding chapters that have "special" battleships kept them, like the Phalanx indeed, or the Rock, but I can't think of any other FF that has a battleship in their fleet other than, now, the UM. Oh well, no biggie.

>>53607590

You are just salty that Big E is an autistic of galactic proportions after all.

>>53607534
At this point I think Cawl worked on the geneseed labs in the Antartica developing the legions with the Emperor and his science team.

>>53603446
Yes, most people strapped to a device that causes constant pain and torment as they bend every bit of their will and being to holding the universe together and left in that position for ten thousand years often have a great deal of time left over in their day to reflect on the choices that got them there.

>>53607624
If he worked in any of the geneseed labs it would have been the luna ones.

>>53607624
I thought they had been developed under thr Himalya chain. But it might be a possibility.

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>>53607620
Didn't we know that all along?

>>53607003
>> Guilliman thinks Cawl is going to bring back the Traitor Legions + Lost Legions anyway
This is pretty much my fetish. Loyal EC and TS Master race.

Anything about xenos in it?

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>>53607003

>Belisarius Cawl essentially created an Abominable Intelligence to serve as his eyes and ears

To expand on this, this "machine" which requires Guilliman to pass dozens of security test to access (gene, warp fuckery, psychological etc) has to be jointly activated by Guilli and a Master Astropath, both effectively being one half of a key, neither side knowing the others "password" so to speak

The Machine when activates reveals dozens of severed heads in jars, which, while not fully clear speak for the machine. pretty grim dark. The Machine is called

>The Cawl Inferior (TCI)

It essential is Cawl but is not, an AI that is essentially Cawl manifest but is not, when it speaks, it speaks as Cawl effectively but is not him, although acknowledges it is not him and will say things like. Cawl seems to activate it by sending some sort of code, which would reenact his thoughts process exactly

>Guilli: When you created the Primaris Marines
>The Cawl Inferior: Cawl created them, I did not

During their conversation the following things were discussed (some already mentioned)

>Cawl has demanded multiple times to be made Fabricator General, while Guilliman has considered this (briefly) Gulli is aware the vast majority of the Mechanicus hate him for all his "tech heresy" against the omnissiah and their would be a civil war. The Cawl Inferior says "Make him Fabricator General and he will deliver you the galaxy" Guilli once again states no.

1/2

Did that book come out already or was it just leaked

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>>53608023

2/2

>Cawl is attempting to replicate the Pylons artificially, TCI states he also found some Pylons on a planet but they didn't work. He has created artificial devices but has not tested them. They are being shipped to Gulli to attempt to shut a minor warp rift. TCI says Cawl will eventually be able to replicate them. No further mention of the artificial Pylons mentioned in the book. (TCI also admits openly Necron tech is fucking great and far superior to the Imperium, which Guill notes but does not comment upon as being unthinkable) - TCI also refers to the "Old ones"

>Primaris Marines gene-seed mutation is currently 0.001%, no regression of geneseed for Wolves or Bangels

>Cawl Has stock of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 8th, 11th, 12th, 14th and wants to recreate, and has asked multiple times, Gulli says no. TCI says, the Emperor created them for a reason, the warriors were not at fault and that Guilli is being a massive fucking hypocrite considering some successor Ultramarine Chapters have fallen

>Guilli asks TCI to arrange a meeting with Cawl... the machine essentially "umms and arrs" before saying "That may not be possible" Guilli responds "Where are you, Cawl? What are you doing" - to which the machine once again pauses and all but nonchalantly responds "This unit does not possess that information"

It ends with

>"For all his usefulness and his desire to save mankind, Guilliman could foresee a time when Belisarius Cawl became a problem."

I really enjoyed this part of the book, very interesting.

>>53608025

The mention, in a single sentence, the Old ones, Aeldari and Necrons.

>>53604973
it's not their fans though. it's /tg/ shitposters and they have been shitposting constantly over the last 5 years.

>>53608025
GW's site says it's a preorder but an epub is available here:
>>53601225

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>>53608031
>>53608023

Final comment from me. The Cawl Inferior is located upon the Macragge's Honour

>>53608031
>being this supremely Butthurt about tech heresy
Gorillaman plz.

>>53608031
>>"For all his usefulness and his desire to save mankind, Guilliman could foresee a time when Belisarius Cawl became a problem."

Cawl Heresy Confirmed

>>53608023
Crawl/TCI sound like Dirk and AR from Homestuck. I'm sorry.

>>53608031

>Cawl re-creates the traitor legions with Primaris Marines.
>Chaos gets them.

>>53600227
> all 20 primarchs
I don't know why people say 20
It's either 19 or 21. Not 20

>>53608031
>The mention, in a single sentence, the Old ones, Aeldari and Necrons.
and say what about them?

>>53607274
>>One of thousands of secret conflicts conducted by rival factions in the Imperium, the Chronostrife was a bitter, ongoing internal war within the Ordo Chronos over the Imperium's dating system.
>the Imperium's dating system.
FOR THE GLORY OF TINDER

>>53608329

>The Cawl Inferior: But Belisarius Cawl will triumph. The ancient races held the answers: the Old Ones, the necrons, the aeldari. Soon we shall hold all the pieces to the puzzle that they held only in part. We shall fit them together. We shall succeed where they failed, and overcome the monsters spawned by our own minds

>>53608347

Have the Imperium ever acknowledged the "Old ones" before?

>>53608333
>swipe left on someone and they get executed

>>53608347
So I guess the piece from the necrons are the pylons and blank genes, I wonder what they could be from the eldar and froggies.

what we know about the old ones was just thwt they were very spiritually developed and had enough biotech to engineer races, while the eldar share being psychic, even if maybe not at the same degree

Could it be that the marines and by extension the primarchs and the primaris were created with old ones' tech and knowledge?

Cawl joining Chaos could actually save this heaping pile of crap that is the current fluff advance

>the chapters about the Espandor vets
And they say the grimdark is being replaced.

>>53608164
Goddamnit, I can't unmake this connection now. I love it.

>>53600110
>>When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool.
why are people surprised? wasn't it canon that the emperor cast away his humanity to kill horus and that said part of conscience is the stillborn starchild awaiting for the rest of the emperor to die and reform or something?
Was I memed?

>>53608426
>having more people go to chaos will make this fluff better
fuck no

Inter-imperial politics is literally the only interesting thing about the newer stuff.

>>53608426
Actually the book isnt too bad.

>>53606820
Cypher is in the chaos index, so, yes.

>>53608031
Oh no, I really hope they don't make Cawl a traitorous megalomaniac, I really like him, he was one of the few good guys from 40k and the Mechanicus.

>>53607271
>powered by the Warp.
>Powered by the warp
>Powered by the warp

WEEEELLP

>>53600405
I don't think it's that Gullibleman is/was religious, I think it's more that he viewed emps as a father, and emps was all "fuck you mang, you're nothing but a soldier, i could give a fuck bout you other than you getting the fighting done". That shit gotta hurt on a emotional level - especially when you spend, what... nearly 10,000 years believing this father figure actually cared bout you? Honestly, after that revelation, it's pretty lucky that he didn't just finish emps off.

>>53608536
>Cawl
>Good

I bet you liked Draigo too

>be a company where literally the only thing of value you have is your setting
>destroy your setting

Why does Guilliam call the new marines blasphemous? Isn't a bit too religiously charged term for someone who believes in the Imperial Truth instead of the Imperial Cult?

>>53608587
The last time Guilliman was impulsive he got his throat cut by a tranny snake and stuck in stasis for 10k years. He's learned his lesson

>>53608598
Cawl is a radical magos. Everyone agrees that everything that nigger touches is blasphemous.

And he doesnt believe in the Imperial Truth anymore, at least not the one Big E tried to push. Hell he stopped believing in a lot of what the Big E said and suspects that he was lying about a lot more than just chaos.

>>53600310
Les enfants terrible

>>53608598
If he believed in the Imperial Truth the Ecclesiarchy wouldn't be standing. Emps worshiping covens had to do so in secret back in the day. But we both know that the primary reason he didn't burn it to the ground was the PR nightmare of having your BIG MARKETABLE HERO MAN tipping his power-fedora and talking about how religion is regressive.

>>53608598
that's what's making me doubt the validity of this as well, on top of the fact he ordered them himself

then again this is bl we're talking about

>>53600110
Sisters of Silence as they are now are such an obvious replacement for the SoB it hurts.

>>53608598
>>53608658
>Cawl was a magpie magos, taking what he needed no matter its ancestry. His free thinking made Guilliman profoundly uneasy, but a labour ten thousand years long, delivered perfectly, attested to the archmagos' efficacy
>I have no choice but to trust him, thought Guilliman. Thats the only practical I need consider here.
Cawl is just that fucking insane. Wouldnt surprise me if the Primaris marines are part xenotech.

>>53608598

>RG: Cawl, I need you to create super marines, tamper with the Emperors creations but give me bigger, better Marines
>Cawl: It will be done

>10,000 years later

>Cawl: Here are your literally perfect Marines that are flawless, loyal and for lack of a better word perfect, with new weapons and vehicles to crush your foes, I have done exactly and 100% to the letter of what you have asked.
>RG: Thank you... ... *mumble* *mumble* Blasphemous hordes *mumble*
>Cawl: Pardon me?
>RG: Nothing... carry on...

I cannot fathom the author's logic here...

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>>53608671
SoS are better desu

>>53600110
None of this is a negative development.

>>53608686
Bald women are shit.

>>53608686
See >>53608707 you cancer patient.

>>53605547
I remember that from the Gav Thorpe series, the Emperor appears to the dude in his dreams and basically asks him if he wants to keep going or just end things here.

The whole story is oddly touching as the space marine has an almost child like awe when he talks to him, like a sick Child being visited by a parent.

so i was out cold for couple of moths

w40k dead?

>>53608733
Yes.

>>53608707
hairetic

>>53608733
We'll see. The book is good but what comes after mightn't be.

>>53608733
No, the 8th edition rules are almost universally agreed to be superior to 7th, while the lore is divisive.

>>53608480
Personally I see it as the miracles etc being form the compassionate loving side of the emperor that's in the warp whilst the body contains his physical mind which is all cold and logical

>>53608742

Q___Q

good thing i have older books
honestly i would probably stick to playing w40krpg in good old times and just wank to old fluff from now on
this noble-dark shit is ridiculous, is Ward at it again?

>>53608707
Bald women are my fetish you shitstain

>>53608810
Your fetish is for gay men's asses, homo.

>>53608778
Fuck off and actually read some of the new stuff instead of getting second hand accounts from people on /tg/.

This is so cool, Ultramarines were my first army when I was 9 and I think they've always been the best and most powerful chapter. They are as fast as an eldar and tougher than an Ork.
I always thought Guileman (because he's cool like guile from street fighter lol) was the best primarchs and tougher and smarter and a better psychic than the emperor. Who is old and boring lol.


I can't wait to go and buy all the awesome new big primaris space marine miniatures. I always thought space marines were too small and weak in game for awesome super soldiers so it's so cool that games workshop care about the fans and released even better marines with strong stats and much nicer models. I'm going to start a new Ultramarines army again and beat all the chaos, xenos and non-ultramarine chapter scum.

>>53608826
He'd be better off spending his time reading the labels on pasta sauce jars. They're better written.

>>53608836

"We gonna put space marines... INTO SPACE MARINES!"

>>53600479
Yeah, but since the sisters of silence predate the ecclesiarchy and aren't a part of it, I don't see why they would worship living saints.

>>53608742
Yes
>>53608760
Maybe
>>53608772
No

Perfect form

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>>53600110
>>When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool

ULTRAFAGS BTFO

B

T

F

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>>53600110
How did Belisarius Cawl live for 10,000 years?

>>53608359
Cawl mentioned Old Ones in GS1.

>>53608890
An archmagos could theoretically live as long as he fucking wanted if he didnt get himself killed. Cawl kept to himself to the point where he barely noticed the beheading.

>>53606810
Cypher

>>53603446
So why did big E hold back in the fight against horus?

>>53607563
wait, didnt the entire ultramarine fleet get captured by CSM's when they imprisoned Roboute, and he wound up fleeing without his ships?

Can someone tell me what happened to the SoS?
Were they just cooped up in the Imperial Palace for the last 10k years?

>>53608986
They're the ones that capture psykers arent they?

>>53608642
>PR nightmare of having your BIG MARKETABLE HERO MAN tipping his power-fedora and talking about how religion is regressive.
Gee, it's not like we have entire books on his old man saying exactly that...

No, fedora tippers generally make for shitty characters, especially in weirder settings like 40k.

>>53609015
In black library novels which are pretty out of the way and not relevant to the main game. In a way that's constantly undermined by even his own worshipers. All while not being portrayed as an entirely stand-up heroic and good hero man.

It's not really the same.

>>53609044
in any case, no one threw a hissy fit about Emps being an anti-theist, being most religious figures in history, or anything like that.

>>53606312
Stop using the word penultimate to mean ultimate. Penultimate means second to last

>>53607945
They won't remain loyal.

>>53609015
well meme'd, my man

>>53608023
>I did not
Oh shit, it has a distinct personality. This is gonna go soooooooooooo wrong.

>>53609081
The fact that the Emps was an anti-theist isn't even common knowledge for the most part. It isn't really talked about in the mainstream sources. Your average 40K player has (had) no idea for the most part.

>>53609108
>Your average 40K player has (had) no idea for the most part.
But that's wrong

>Emps sees his primarchs as tools

We've known this since forever

Crazy theory here...

What if call never really fully created the primaris Marines... He just finally finished the emperor 's side project.

What if originally the big E was gonna so the exact same thing he did to the thunder warriors to the primarch and the Marines once their purpose was fulfilled.

That would explain why gully doesn't like em, cos they were meant as a replacement

>>53608671
Someone at GW really has a bald head+top knot fetish. I hate it. I hate it on Abaddon, I hate it on SoS, I hate it on Yvraine.

So I am reading the novel. It has a scene where a Guardsmen kills a plague marine with a point blank shot to his exposed face. One shot one kill. Is that possible or is this fluff rape.

I recall in the codex stories instances where a guardsmen unloaded a whole las gun clip in point blank in an Necron immortals face. The immortal received no damage except a slight red glow. There is another story where the lasguns couldn't do damage to a T'au suits in close quarters.

So did the writer make a mistake?

>>53609166
Cawl*

>>53608917
>he barely noticed the beheading.
the hwat now?

>>53609171
Chaos doesn't need to care about durability since they have respawn hax

>>53609108
Have you ever met someone that abandoned 40k after he found out Emps is St. George and burned down the last church?
No, because nowadays, having semi-edgy attitudes when it comes to religion(ex: Gregory House) fits the part of a likable asshole genius.

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>>53609171
the strength of basic infantry weapons will vary from scene to scene and novel to novel

There is no consistency. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

>>53609187
Coup d'etat by Grand Master of Assassins.

>>53609171
As a rule of thumb, lasguns are exactly as strong as the writer needs them to be. They go all the way from "shitty flashlight" to "liquifies guys in armor in a blink"
Still, shooting a Marine in the unarmored face at point blank should be rather lethal (although PLague marines are a little something special in that regard)

>>53609187
The grand master of assassins led a coup and killed every other highlord in M32.

>>53609187
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Beheading

>>53609166
Wasn't that hinted at in the Horus Heresy novels, or was that just something Horus was worried about?

>>53609171
>he thinks diseased flesh is as hard as Necrodermis or Nanocrystaline alloys
>he thinks a lasgun capable of blowing holes through concrete and blowing off arms couldn't blow out a marines skull.
don't go full retard, dude. A plague marine doesn't withstand an insane amount of damage because its flesh is hard, it does so because its so bloated with disease and immune to pain, that nothing short of a shot to something vital like the brain or both hearts is going to put them down for good.

>>53607624
Could just have the data cores of tech preist who worked with Corax. I assume Tech preists sometimes inherit data cores, forges and cyber dongs on occasion.

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>>53607563
>Giving the pride of legion to lowly mortals

The fact that some people are genuinely arguing about 40k being "anti-religion" or not really goes to show how bad things have gotten that people are forgetting that 40k is based on satire of British society, including but not limited to the church.

>>53609216
It is possible, personally I have a feeling that most of the Primarchs he had roles post crusade. Some like Angron and Kruze were gunna get Russ set on them. But Dorn and Girly man could survive during peace time.

>>53609353
Kruze and angron probably had things orignally intended for them but their upbringing kinda destroyed that

Reading Calgar's (very few) chapters was hard... he's written like a scolded 4yr old, the Man is hundreds of years old and led the Ultramarines for many of those... why he's being written like a sulking baby... then again it's been so long since I read the trash Horus Heresy books, the Primarchs did so too

>For the first time in a long time, Marneus Calgar felt like a failure.

>Calgar felt the remarks were directed at him.

>‘I am saddened that those worlds attacked or overrun within our sphere of influence remain without help while the war grinds on here, seemingly without resolution,’ Guilliman continued. He gave the assembly a grave stare. Each person there felt their failings exposed by his regard, and none more so than Marneus Calgar.

>Guilliman’s support of him was sincere enough, but Calgar saw a scolding behind it.

>Another subtle rebuke cloaked in kind words. Calgar bowed his head. Guilliman should not need to do this. Calgar should have managed the realm himself; having the primarch intervene was humiliating.

>>53609376
There is also the possibility of the crusade being directed VB into the imperial webway. Probably don't need to kill Angron yourself if he charges head first into an army of Dark Eldar.

>>53609426

Probably shouldn't have left Murder Batman to himself though

>>53609449
Last I checked it was ACTUALLY chaos god dickery

>>53608969
We'll find out in 2040 when they finally fucking finish the horus heresy.

>>53609449
He seemed to get better when he first met Big E, I don't know why the Emperor didn't keep him around for a bit longer before giving him control of a fuck off massive army.

>>53608275
Unless 2nd or 11th had no Primarch or Omegon was their primarch

>>53608598
Because they are blasphemous.
Not that Guilliman cares about blasphemy, he sees Primaris Marines as the future.

>>53609470
Honestly emps should have taken like, at least a year to get to know each of his sons

>>53609411
Calgarian Heresy when?

>>53609525
Never.
Calgar's faith in Guilliman only grows stronger.
But he is starting to hate normal humanity for being shitters and not just doing what the Primarch says.

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>>53600110
>When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool. So yeah, this builds up on the MoM story line. (I actually skipped quite to the end of the novel for this one).
>The Emperor's humanity is all but gone in 40k.

RIP 40k lore

Holy shit Girlyman got Absolutely BTFO by Fulgrim, both in the fight and in the bantz

>>53604243
Wait so for real we're having Fulgrim vs Guilliman round 2 be an exact repeat of the first where he gets saved at the last second?

>>53609589
>The book starts roughly 100 years after the Heresy
are you blind

>>53609587
>Cypher shoots both

>>53609587
I dunno, Guilliman get him to fly into a rage and only loses because of sorcery.

>>53609589
There is no round two.

>>53609601
>>53609587
where are you reading all this ?
has the book been leaked yet ?

Geedubs, can we have a war in heaven book so I can leave all this human shit behind and fight in the time of magical toads and space vampires?

>>53609564
>The Emperor's humanity is all but gone in 40k.
‘NOTHING THAT SAFEGUARDS HUMANITY CAN BE EVIL, NOT EVEN THE MOST STRENUOUS INHUMANITY. IF THE HUMAN RACE FAILS, IT HAS FAILED FOREVER.’
'WHEN WE CONFRONTED THE CORRUPTED, HOMICIDAL HORUS WHO ONCE USED TO SHINE LIKE THE BRIGHTEST STAR, WHO USED TO BE OUR BELOVED FAVOURITE – WHEN THE FATE OF THE GALAXY HUNG BY A THREAD – WERE WE NOT COMPELLED TO EXPEL ALL COMPASSION? ALL LOVE? ALL JOY? THOSE WENT AWAY. HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE ARMOURED OURSELVES? EXISTENCE IS TORMENT, A TORMENT THAT MUST NOURISH US. EVIDENTLY WE MUST STRIVE TO BE THE FIERCE REDEEMER OF MAN, YET WHAT WILL REDEEM US?’
‘Great lord of all,’ whimpered Jaq, ‘did you know of the hydra before now?’
‘NO, AND WE SHALL SURELY ACT IN DUE TIME—’
‘YET SURELY WE KNEW. HOW COULD WE NOT KNOW?’
‘ONCE WE HAVE ANALYSED THE INFORMATION WITHIN THIS SUB-MIND OF OURS.’
‘HEAR THIS, JAQ DRACO: ONLY TINY PORTIONS OF US CAN HEED YOU, OTHERWISE WE NEGLECT OUR IMPERIUM, OF WHICH OUR SCRUTINY MUST NOT FALTER FOR AN INSTANT. FOR TIME DOES NOT HALT EVERYWHERE WITHIN THE REALM OF MAN. INDEED TIME ONLY HALTS FOR YOU.’
‘WE ARE AN EVER-WATCHFUL LORD, ARE WE NOT? DID YOU HOPE TO GAIN OUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION?’
‘HOW ELSE SHOULD WE SOUL-BIND PSYKERS AND OVERVIEW THE WARP AND BEAM THE ASTRONOMICAN BEACON AND SURVIVE AND RECEIVE INFORMATION AND GRANT AUDIENCES ALL AT ONCE, UNLESS WE ARE MANY?’
‘AND YET STILL WE MISS SO MUCH, SO VERY MUCH? SUCH AS THAT WHICH GUIDED YOU HERE.’
‘OUR SPIRIT GUIDED YOU.’
‘NO: ANOTHER SPIRIT, A REFLECTION OF OUR GOODNESS WHICH WE THRUST FROM US.’
‘WE ARE THE ONLY SOURCE OF GOODNESS, SEVERE AND DRASTIC. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF HOPE THAN US. WE ARE AGONISINGLY ALONE.’
Source Draco from 1990

>>53604124
>Remember that episode of Futurama where "God" tricked Bender into being pro-active, because he tricked Bender into thinking God wasn't interested in helping anyone?

>Maybe it's like that.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>53609469
With how it's going so far, it's simply because the Chaos gods are stronger than E and the rest was just imperial propaganda.

>>53600110
SOMEONE IS SUGGESTING EMPEROR IS WEAK

HE HAS WEAKNESSES BUT HE IS NOT WEAK

>>53609598
"Damn Cypher, he played us like a damn fiddle" - The Lion upon awakening and being reunited with Luther.

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>>53608275
Omega, Alpha, Sigma
2, II, 20

>>53607262
If this means our overarching bad guy is Fulgrim, Im completely ok with it.

>>53609597
Aksually the book starts a few hundred years after the heresy. The main story takes place 112 years after Gathering storm, at the end of the Indominus Crusade. Seriously, the entire crusade is glossed over as
>Imperium got better, Chaos BTFO
And the Tyranidfags thought they had it bad...

>>53609601
Fulgrim was destroying him from the start, Guilliman managed to Hurt Fulgrim once and Fulgrim got pissed because NOBODY HURTS ME REEEEEEEEE!!!!!! It wasn't really Sorcery so much as a warp wound that made it easier for Fulgrim to lay him low in one hit. There was No way Girlyman was walking away from that fight, he knew it from the start.

>>53609619
Theres literally an epub link in this thread dude

>>53607003
>the lost Second Legion
why would anything about them exist

>>53609674
Age of Alpharius when?

>>53609713
Because Cawl is a flat-out techoheretic.
He received their geneseed tithes during the great crusades or stole it off Terra and has probably been tinkering with it or just keeping it around since, in case he needed it, he just ignored the order to purge the II and XI from the records.

>>53609704
>Fulgrim was destroying him from the start

Guilliman was holding his own.

>It wasn't really Sorcery so much as a warp wound

Yeah, sorcery. Fulgrim used the magic bullshit of the anathema cut to open Guilliman's throat again.

>>53609736
>ignored
fucking mars mary sue. marsue

>>53609704
>>53609746
So wait Im confused. Does the book cover Fulgrims first fight with Guilliman from the heresy era, or is this current 40k Guilliman dies again at the end of the book?

>>53609763
The former.

>>53609763
>Does the book cover Fulgrims first fight with Guilliman from the heresy era
yes

I think >>53609704 is having a seizure

>>53609763
The book opens with gorilla man getting rekt after the heresy.

>>53608413
I'd assume something like
>Ability to suppress the Warp from the Necrons
Being able to close the Eye of Terror (and the massive rift) and contain Warp outbreaks with Imperial pylons would be a massive advantage the war effort. Also Necrons obviously have the best tech in the setting, they just made the mistake of abandoning their flesh completely.
>Old Ones
Genetic engineering, creation of races, control of the Warp. Say humanity created null Orks to fight Chaos, their own Tyranids, etc. With the Necron tech and Old One-tier control of the Warp they could stop them from getting corrupted.
>Aeldari
Webway? Not really sure, Old Ones seem to cover the psychic shit pretty well.

Still just waiting on an alpha legion order 66 style killing of a whole bunch of chaos when shits desperate again.

>>53609779
>I think >>53609704 (You) is having a seizure
What did you mean by this? did you even read the whole post?

>>53609780
>>53609779
So wait, 13th black crusade has been pushed back but Abbadon isnt dead, Fulgrim doesnt even show back up for the rest of the book- whats the plot even? What does he do? Whats the climax even?

>>53609819
>Whats the climax even?
Morty's attack on Ultramar.

>>53608426
They already invalidated all the other "apocalypse" events by saying Chaos would ultimately win and doesn't even need mortal races to exist anymore.
Chaos has already been buffed enough and the Imperium has been pushed back a ton. They should give some attention to the Nids (let them win once?) and the Orks at least. Maybe wake up the sleepycrons in actually significant amounts.

>>53609819
>So wait, 13th black crusade has been pushed back but Abbadon isnt dead

We don't know what Abaddon's been doing.

>Fulgrim doesnt even show back up for the rest of the book

Correct.

>whats the plot even? What does he do?

Guillimans ends the Indomitus Crusade and begins preparations for the next step. He readies himself for a show down with Mortarion in Ultramar.

>Whats the climax even?

He fights a Nurgle daemon dragon from the End of Time.

>>53609832
OHhhhhhh it makes sense now.
So more Fulgrim build up and its now nealy confirmed that when it happens Guilliman will die, but thatll be saved for the slaanesh release.

Right now its about the sick new death guard. Is the Mortarion model coming soon?

>>53609838
I want to see another beast arise to lead the Orks.

>>53609840
Does the dragon have a model?

Also is there any chance of some new White Scars fluff anytime soon?

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>>53609850
>Is the Mortarion model coming soon?
He was teased since January.

>>53609850
>its now nealy confirmed that when it happens Guilliman will die

Quite the opposite.
Guilliman is now more accepting of the stranger side of the galaxy and has learned from his defeat.

>Right now its about the sick new death guard. Is the Mortarion model coming soon?

Yes.

>>53609857
>Does the dragon have a model?

No.

>Also is there any chance of some new White Scars fluff anytime soon?

The White Scars are enroute to Ultramar.

>>53600163

>GW advance the storyline

Said no one with an IQ in the double digits.

>>53609755
Cawl being a mary sue would imply everyone still loves him. Everyone hates Cawl, the only reason he's still alive instead of dead at the hands of the more orthodox priests is that a) he's a fucking archmagos and nobody crosses them lightly and b) he has Guillimans favor, even if Guilliman doesnt trust the guy.

>>53609880
>White Scars on route
That's enough for me. Hopefully we get the Khan back. Or better yet unsubstantiated rumours of his survival.

>>53609850
>So more Fulgrim build up

No, just telling the story of how Rob got put in stasis in the first place.

>its now nealy confirmed that when it happens Guilliman will die

Not even a little. Guilliman has been built up as essential to the Imperium. He's not going away, especially since he has a model.
If anything Fulgrim is going to be BTFO by a more spiritual Roboute.

Wait It's set 100 years after gathering storm? So in that whole time, the xenos managed to accomplish nothing?! You mean to tell me Leviathan is still around, the Orks still haven't reached critical mass, and the necrons still haven't united? Is the Octarius war actually still ongoing?

Also, 100 years and still no other primarchs?

>>53606532

>Why is a specialist better at fighting its specialty than a generalist?

>>53609875
Other anons are saying in thread that Guiliman got trashed and knew he was gonna get trashed. It sounds like GW is making it quite clear that he's the inferior. What kind of stuff does it say when Guillimans reflecting on Fulgrim or whatever?