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Still waiting for preorders in the US Edition

>Old Thread:
>>53590084

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>>53593336
Do you guys have an archive of old editions anywhere?
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>>53593336
plastic sisters in february
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Is there a place for cute girls in the 41st millennium?
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>new lore!
>space marines win
>guillimann wins
>guillimann wins again!
>space marines win again!
>chaos lose
>chaos lose everything they gained in the gathering storm (and more)
>imperium no longer on the verge of collapse
>did I mention space marines beat everything in their path once again?
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>>53593368
Someone has to give birth to future IG.
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Do monstrous creatures need to be fully in cover and be 50% obscured to get the ruins bonus or just 50% obscured?
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So, now that blast templates aren't a thing anymore and thus proper spacing is irrelevant, are movement trays an option for horde armies?
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>>53593368
FFG certainly thought so.
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Str lost a lot of value this edition with the new wound system

Odd number str is useless
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>>53593397
How is it useless again?
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>>53593373
You can't possibly be suprised by this. GW is creatively bankrupt since halfway 5th edition when it comes to writing actually decent lore.
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>>53593387
Movement trays were always an option, except before you had to optimize spacing on the tray. Now you don't have to.
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>In fighting for their father, both primarchs were made fathers themselves, though not of princes or strong daughters; through the application of arcane science, they were the sires of two of the Space Marine Legions, mankind’s greatest warriors. The Space Marines were lords of the galaxy, designed to reunite the human race and shepherd it to a glorious future. Instead, they had failed and turned upon one another, and their war had nearly destroyed the Imperium.

Explain what strong daughters mean to me. Princes and strong daughters? Does this mean something?
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So what's up with Possessed now? They're basically expensive Berzerkers with D3 attacks, no BftBG and power axes. They lost fleet and don't reroll to wound anymore.

What are they supossed to do at this point?
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>>53592975

Relinking because I'm looking for feedback.
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>>53593397
Not if it is 1 higher than the target. I.e. S5 v T4 or S7 v S6.
Sure, S6 v T4 would be the same as S5 v T4 but then there would be differences vs. T3 that may not have been wanted.
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>>53593397
Lower strength became a lot more usefull than it used to be.

But if you were a WAACfag you probably didn't have anything below Str 6, so yes then you only lost value.
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>>53593410
Well, less useful, because even number breakpoints are way, way more important now since having twice the s of the opponents t is how you get a 2+ to wound, this means that only even numbered s values unlock a new t they can 2+, whereas odd numbered s values only do anything at all when fighting something with exactly 1 less t
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>>53593417
I guess if you're being a dumbass and trying to compare the Imperium to a feudal or tribal society, the point of 'strong daughters' is to have intelligent and beautiful girls who make good marriage material and can thus supply you with good alliances and manipulate their husbands into working for you.
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>>53593410
It isn't, it just works differently. You're less rewarded for having high STR, but also less punished for having low STR.
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>>53593422
Well, they can move 7" a turn. That's a whole 1" more than normal marines, or 5" less than raptors & warp talons.

But yeah, they really need D3+1 attacks at the very least.
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>>53593453
You don't need a daughter to be strong to marry her off. Wouldn't "healthy daughters" be a better replacement in writing that text?
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>>53593397
Odd str will help you wound things of that specific toughness value.

Five is still better than four.
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Any opinions on the list I'm planning off of fire sales in my area? Is it viable?

VANGUARD DETACHMENT

HQ
Commander Shadowsun [167]

Elite
Riptide w/ ATS and Drone Controller [317]
Riptide w/ ATS and Drone Controller [317]
Riptide w/ ATS and Drone Controller [317]
Riptide w/ ATS and Drone Controller [317]

Fast Attack
Marker Drones x4 [56]

TOTAL = 1491
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Hey guys is castrol super clean still considered the best way to strip plastic models?
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>>53593474
It's a turn of phrase the author has probably heard before somewhere. I know I have.
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>>53593395
>cute

I guess we have very different definitions.
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>>53593474
Well 'strong daughters' could mean like emotionally strong. They may be the weak gender, but when all the men get killed you'll want someone to hold off the hordes of doom while children are evavuated and reinforcements arrive.
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>>53593395
That haircut is disgusting.
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>>53593486
I see what you did there.
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Were Cataphractiis thoroughly ass raped this edition?

They can't even get bikes any more.
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If I'm reading things right, there's no penalty to shooting flyers now if you're ground bound?
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>>53593529
-1 to hit
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>>53593529
-1 to hit.
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>>53593395
>female pinup on armour
>tats of girls
>short hair

Imma take a wild guess and say that the artist might have wanted to let others know this character might be a lesbian.
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>>53593496
naw you gotta use nail polish remover....get it from your local dollar store and let em sit in it all night. you should be good to go
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>>53593513
Do you think it won't be stomped, at least?
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Secutarii Hoplites and Peltasts in which Armoury book? I see no mention in either book.
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>>53593540
>>53593542
Ah, Ok.

Not that bad
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>>53593545
she's just one of the boys
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>>53593336

I was looking through a list of Space Marine chapters and noticed there are almost none that are justice themed or with Justice in their names? Why are they shying away from this badass theme?
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Should I do Imperial or Crimson Fists?

By which I mean should I take Captain "Wrecking Ball" Lysander or Pedro "I'm from Rynn's World and I say kill em all" Kantor?
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>>53593519
>Cataphractiis on bikes
What the fuck were you smoking to think that would survive an edition change?
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>>53593563
That's because FW only made rules for all the space marine and chaos space marine models they make.

To them, every other army is nothing but NPC's that don't matter.
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Which are the most common daemon engines in a world eaters warband?
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>>53593545
the armor is probably hand-me-down, so I wouldn't pay it muchattention
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So with these new single attack of moves (like Nork's headbutt or raider's prow), does it mean one of your attacks can be it and the rest are other weapons or must you give up all your attacks for this one 'smash' attack like before?

I feel like the way it's written, it's the former and it's only the old way that's making me suspect the latter.
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>>53593519
>termie on bike
They could do this in 7e?
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>>53593368
There's an agri-world called Lolita in the Imperium
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>>53593548
Are you sure that isn't for metal models?
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>>53593496
New way is Diesel. Cheap to get, perfect.
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>>53593496
I personally use Simple Green. I have a small container of it that I use to strip miniatures squads at a time. Leave it for a day then use a toothbrush, it works great.
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>>53593590
Same thing you were smoking to not notice an obvious joke. But seriously Cataphractiis look like they got anally raped I see basically no advantage over bulldogs now.

>>53593602
read above.
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>>53593387
I don't see why not. Definitely seen more pop up lately.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/YAFX9KQ2R/
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>>53593589
Easy, Crimson Fists have the superior paint scheme by a few miles.
Imperial Fists might have cool fluff and all, but it's just impossible to take them serious when they walk around yellow like a banana.

>>53593590
The same thing that people who thought they would keep their scout sergants in terminator armour with sniper rifle and power fist would still be legal ?
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>>53593589
Both
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>>53593545
>>53593512
She's a Necromunda guardsman and a former Escher ganger. She's pretty tame, considering.
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>>53593603
>tfw your planet is called Warzone Epsilon
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>>53593603
>Sleef
why is this so fucking funny to me.
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Are Deathwatch ruined this edition?
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>Been waiting forever to start a SM force
>Just waiting on new Scout models since the old ones suck
>Now there's an entire new line of Marines that are going to eventually replace the old ones
>Even less of a reason to start

>Look at Eldar then
>Aspects are all ancient sculpts in need of an update

GW can we fix up these damn infantry models before shitting out more giant centerpieces?
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>>53593603
>not a Pleasure World
trash
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>>53593603
>XD-777
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>>53593685
Haven't you heard? All armies are completely ruined in 8th.
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>>53593685

>all these people who got played by GW and started these gimmick armies with 4 units moaning about whether or not their armies are still legit
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>>53593635
>dont use scum as meat shield for charasters and drop defence
Whats wrong with you?
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>>53593689
If you use waybackmachine to check the first iteration of the GW website ever put up, they have a picture of a fire dragon next to their banner.

They still sell that same sculpt.
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>>53593596
pls respond
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>>53593652
>>53593395
Another from that regiment.
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>>53593685
No, you just have to play to their strengths and stop expecting them to be Marines+1

7E deathwatch had all the cool toys but taking too much of them was dangerous, so you just took plenty of boys and let their special ammo and formation rerolls do the talking. Now taking top end equipment is a little more effective due to multiple rules changes so you can splurge on toys in Deathwatch and have them as an ultra elite force.

That said they are probably not great as your main force. Maybe have two squads allied to your main force. Dropping a load of combi weapon veterans or heavy weapon deathwatch terminators wherever you want, whenever you want, is like dropping a nuke on your enemy.
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>>53593748

whatever you want it to be, pinhead
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>>53593752
>>53593395
>>53593652
Ew
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>>53593601
As far as I can tell you can use any combination of your melee weapons up to your attack number unless stated otherwise.

Would love a clarification though
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>>53593781
I mea like in the fluff
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>>53593601
Yes
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>>53593695
You can't grow cute farm girls on pleasure world
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>>53593808
>'or' question
>yes
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>>53593336

It has begun.
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>>53593787
You choose a weapon. So one of his 4 attacks can be the head, the other three must be the knife.
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>>53593817
Can A and B both be true?
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>flip through new rulebook and imperial codex at flgs
> no mention of iron hands
>all other 8 original loyalist chapters get a section
>fucking wack ass imperial fists even get extra love for their stupid successor chapters

Why does GW hate iron hands?
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>>53593820
>Aeldari
HAH
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>>53593798

I know what you meant. The fluff doesn't mention that the majority of WE warbands prefer this or that daemon engine. If in doubt just use Khorne themed units.
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>>53593601
>If a model has more than one melee weapon, and can make several close combat attacks, it can split it's attacks between these weapons however you wish.

Fairly cut and dry. That headbutt attack says he can only make one headbutt attack, not one attack total.
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>>53593373
Guess you should have bought more models, then GW would give a shit about your faction.
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>>53593843
...is that a tick?
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>>53593820
What the hell are "Eldar"? Are they a new sub faction of Aeldari?
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>>53593787
It's explained already, right there under Choose Melee Weapon.

If you didn't read the new rules at all you might have missed it.
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>>53593496
Red ethanol + Ultrasonic cleaner = Mind blown.
Removes absolutely everything, primer and all
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>>53593368
Sororitas
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>>53593820
AELDARI????
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>>53593875
>cute
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>>53593837
No special characters means no special treatment.

You're basically NPC's unless you have a named special character.
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>>53593387
Did GW discontinue those movements trays just before writing two sets of rules which are ideally suited to them?
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>>53593865
Tell that to SoB players.
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>>53593870
They said something about it in one of the preview articles forever back but couldn't find it in the book, thanks.
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>>53593368
Civilian life
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Apparently the Dark Imperium models are not snapfit.
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>>53593601
> Headbutt: +3 S
> Knife: User S
I don't know if I love or hate this.
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>>53593033
I guess I'm unlucky. Local meta has already decided to play matched. That's what casual and pick up games will be, that's how it's always been. No one ever played non-EW/MoW missions either.

How can you even use narrative for pickup games when everyone will be looking at points (rather than power rating) and the "fair" matched play missions?
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>>53593888

SoB players don't buy models. They just complain how expensive/hard to buy stuff is even though you have IG/SM players with entire FW armies.
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>>53593817
"Is the water hot or cold?"
Yes it's hot, not it's not cold.

If answers are mutually exclusive it's entirely valid to answer just the first part as it resolves the second half, the only time in which it would not is if both suppositions are wrong.
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>>53593548
DO NOT DO WITH PLASTIC
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>>53593885
No, a lot of horde army shenanigans rely on unit placement to work at maximum effectiveness, basically all of their shenanigans, and movement trays do not help in that front you fucking memer
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It's 10:50 am. Where is my 8th edition preorder button
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>hate snapfit models
>have all the indexes and the rulebook
>have dice
>have sigmar ruler
Well theres nothing to pre-order, pity
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>>53593917
I thought SoB models were constantly going out of stock.
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>>53593912
Headbutt hits harder but Knife does more damage.

Checks out
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>>53593938
Just because one person bought the one kit you had sitting on the shelf doesn't mean the kits are flying off the shelves.
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Deepstrike 5 termies or use a land raider. Best?
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>>53593932
They sold out with the other countries, so US is not going to get any preorders :(.
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>>53593920
That's not how English works, and including the "-it's hot" is mandatory for a clear answer.
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What's the best loadout for a winged hive tyrant being launched by the Swarmlord using Hive Commander?
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>>53593967
Caestus Assault Ram
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>>53593752
What are some good necromunda books?
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>>53594017
Twin scytals, adrenal glands, toxin sacs if you have the points and want the extra output
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For the guy in the last thread asking why you'd ever give a company commander a power weapon

Because imperial guard power weapons are cheap as fuck and a power axe or power maul gives him decent STR and AP while powerfists are 10 points for IG for STR 6 AP-3 D3 damage for like 40 points total.
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>>53593967

Completely different jobs. Deep striking termies are great but land raiders are legitimate threats all by themselves and filling them with terminators just adds to it.

It's completely viable but remember how expensive land raiders are now
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>>53593448
Odd numbers also help with things where you are equal to the toughness, since they let you wound on 4+ rather than 5+.

Wounding on 2+ instead of 3+ is a pretty minor thing anyway. The really big deal is the other end of the scale; going from 5+ to 6+ really sucks.

Looking at actual targets that you are going to encounter, it seems that most stuff is T 4 (marines, orks, genestealers), 5 (bikes, light vehicles, battlesuits, inceptors) and 7 (tanks, carnifex) and you need heavy weapons to deal with the armour and wounds on all the T 5+ stuff. Virtually nothing worth shooting at bikes, etc. is S 10, S 8 is mostly overkill against T 4 and only the largest vehicle close combat weapons get up to S 14, so the majority of the time you are going to be wounding on a 3+ or 4+.
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So has anyone run nobz in a naut yet?
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Fuuck 11:01 still no preorder
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>>53593752
I love the idea of ex-hive gangers serving in the guard. I dunno why really, just seems a cool idea for hive gangs to end up fighting alien horrors light-years away, bit like how the British army used to fill it's ranks with mainly criminals from jails or alcoholics essentially kidnapped whilst drunk, then ship them all over the world to fight.

Normal scifi soldiers are often the 'elite of the elite' or at least signed up to 'fight for the species!!' and other noble aims. I like that there are Necromundan and Armageddon regiments where the main reason for enlistment was 'was too high to run away when the Arbite "recruiters" came down into the underhive' rather than 'bred for war' like the Cadians and Vostroyans.
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>>53594031
>What are some good necromunda books?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0U3BBdJgFZ9ZlM3WG9TMjRNcjg/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0U3BBdJgFZ9WERpMGo3RWlSd1U/view
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>>53593397

5 is pretty handy. Wounds most infantry on a 3+ and everything else on a 5+ barring only tough guys like Nurgle or crisis suits.
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How do I convert Sentinel Powerlifters? My genecult need them.
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>>53594097
> S 8 is mostly overkill against T 4
I'd say this might be the only exception, though not that big.
krack missiles and similar are a little overkill for termies, but they're 2w now and the -3ap is nice. Overkill, but not enough that you'd regret using it.
It will come up.
S6 taking down GEQ super well will still be a thing.

but yeah, overall the doubling out is not a thing. and imho GW overvalued S12+ in terms of cost. Most options for that seem like not worth it for the cost.
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Guard player. I'm not really sure what's going on with 8th edition, but I looked at the Imperium Index 2 and my army (chimera vets) isn't even usable anymore. Fuck me I guess?
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>>53593668
Beautiful at any size bullshit.
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>>53594204

You can run a vanguard detachment which uses compulsory elites instead of troops
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>>53593582
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Arbites

Because these guys are a thing.
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>>53594204
>my army (chimera vets) isn't even usable anymore
Why not?
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>>53594233
>tfw dedicated Mortar HWT detachment
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>>53594124
Most hiveworlds have forced conscription of criminals.

This idea isn't unique.

They used to have rules for them too, usually +1 BS and WS then -1 Ld. To represent them being skilled motherfuckers who grew up killing but are ultimately self-serving.
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>>53594204

Use a Vanguard detachment, done.
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>>53593529
>>53593540
>>53593542
>>53593564
The -1 to hit is for the "Hard to Hit" rule on a units data sheet not for being a flyer. While many flyers have the rule not all of them do. For example the Heldrake is now more like a very fast skimmer tank.
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>>53594222
>>53594233
The fuck is the point of troops, then?
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>>53594264

Because you get more command points if you take the troop mandatory detachments.
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>>53594264
More command points.
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>>53594264
They're core in the Battalion detachments that get you more command points.
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I've seen this image posted here before and I saw the obvious hits that the horrors of tzeench are about to take with this update, but going back to it I see that I didn't fully appreciate just how many different ways from Sunday these guys got fucked.

#1: They can no longer form new units. It's all going to be a part of the same unit. I wasn't particularly bothered by this one, but hang on.

#2: They used to be able to perform a mildly powerful shooting attack through the primaris psychic power they had access to, but now it says that they can manifest one psychic power, and doesn't explicitly say that it's not Tzeentch. They just let you work that shit out on your own because I guess they thought it would just look too depressing in print. It just says "one psychic power" on just a single D6. All 3 of the psychic powers available to the daemons of tzeentch are all cast on a 7 or higher. So all they can do is try to cast Smite, but since it's a casting value of 5 and they have to make it on a single D6 it means that they're only going to manage to fire it once every 3 turns, which means only twice a game on average. It's not getting much better than this, either because

#3: Their shooting attacks suck. It's comparable to lasgun fire at this point, it has no redeeming qualities. You can assault after firing it. So maybe you could say that the best quality of their standard shooting attack is that it doesn't actively hinder you. But wait! There's more!

#4: Blue and Brimstone Horrors can't even do that! All they can do is help keep that one-smite-every-three-turns thing going and maybe be a meatshield if you want. They might actually just be a tarpit unit at this point. The shooting and psychic powers are just there for some narrative theme while you feed these guys to the enemy to keep them busy. And even THEN, they're STILL worse than they were before because

#5: Brimstone Horrors now only have 1 wound! Good luck with that tar pit!
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>>53594187
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?45255-A-Beginner-s-Guide-How-To-Scratchbuild-a-Servo-Arm
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>>53594264
Shitting out CP like nobody's business. IG specially gets this as a matter of course, which is a surprisingly big boon people are overlooking.
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>That phase was over. The Great Rift still split the sky, but the enemy had been dealt a grievous blow. Several traitor fleets had been shattered and daemonic legions banished back to the warp. Many worlds had been taken back, and many others purged of corruption. With the Imperium shored up, the time of the great armada was done. A change in strategy was called for.

What the fuck? Did Girlyman save the Imperium and restore the status quo? Did he just do that?
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>>53594254

The Heldrake is a Dragon laddie. It's pretty good in melee and has a flatly absurd charge threat range when you take it's move value into account.
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>>53594272
>>53594283
What do command points do again?
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>>53594294
Post.
Source.
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Can I get some criticism on this?
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>>53594314
The novel "Dark Imperium" by Guy Haley.
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>>53594313

The primary 3 abilities are:

1 CP - re-roll any single dice roll
2 CP - choose one of your units and fight with it even before chargers
2 CP - one unit automatically passes its morale test

In Matched Play there is an added rule that you may only use each stratagem once per phase.
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>>53594313
You can spend them for re-rolls and to do things like interrupt int he fight phase.... That or declare a charge of your own in the enemy phase.

I haven't looked too deeply into them.
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Alright /tg/, melee knights or shooty knights?
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>>53593589
Vote for Pedro, and all your wildest dreams will come true
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>>53594294
Abaddon's black crusades get stopped all the time, man. GW's even lost track of how many there were because it happens so often.
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So Noise Marines seem pretty decent. +3pts over CSM for an entire extra attack, access to the always-hilarious Blastmaster and the ability to make a free shooting attack upon death.
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>>53594341
Melee Knights.
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>>53594307
Yeah it can be shot but it can also charge now. They made him a real dragon now which is pretty cool.
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>>53594313
You spend them on Stratagems. Each mission has its own mission-unique strategems, but every gets pic related for every mission always.

You can only use a strat once per phase, but it's still a massive help - especially on weapons with D6 hits or whatever, and with enough CP, morale issues will be a thing in the past for certain units.
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How are Blood Angels now?
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>>53594284
Can anyone figure out what horrors might be good for in 8th?
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>>53594375
Better deep strike and charging out of deep strike helps them a lot I imagine. I mean fuck half their formations in 7E seemed to be ways of getting them better deep striking.
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>>53594307
Ya it's awesome and I actually want to get one now, but the point is that while it has the fly keyword and the flyer type it does not have -1 to hit.
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>>53594313
>>53594362
To clarify, "once per phase" means you can reroll one die in the psychic phase, one die in the shoot phase, one die in the fight phase, etc. then do the same during each phase of your opponent's turn.

The reroll only works on your dice though. You can't force an opponent to re-roll their armor save, but you could reroll your to hit or to wound or your D3 damage rolls or whatever.
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>>53594353
Could my slaanesh army be good for once? All their stuff feels very "you dont want to attack this unit because they still get to attack"
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>>53594264

More command points, cheaper(some times)

Scions are now troops, command squads are elites, heavy weapon teams are heavy support.

This is actually a blessing in disguise as it makes it trivial for Guard to use the battalion detachment (the one with a ton of slots and compulsory choices) and get way more command points than other armies
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>>53594389
>Better deep strike and charging out of deep strike
Isn't everyone pretty much locked to 9" away and at the end of the movement phase? Having the option is nice, but charging 8" isn't reliable.
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>>53594254
>the heldrake is a better infantry killer than warp talons will ever be and only costs one more power point
I guess some units are just destined to be shit.
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>>53593336
describe an event in 40k using a spongebob quote
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>>53593983

it's not showing sold out on the British site...
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Is there anything less fun than playing against an all imperial knight army?
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>>53594416
I wasn't going to even look at your list and just mock you for not having a 20 genestealer unit.

I'm glad I opened it first.
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>>53594390
>>53594405
>>53594405

Right? GW have managed the impossible in bringing me back to 40k with the new rules, so I am now (literally) dusting off my old closet-Slaaneshii Night Lords
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>>53594443
playing against t'au
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>>53593635
My pic again
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>>53594252
They used to have some awesome 3rd party minis but GW removed them after they realized they can't tell people to play with miniatures that they didn't make and then keep people from making those miniatures themselves.
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>>53594445
>>53594416
Are genestealers really best taken as 20?
You're supposed to take toxin sacs on them, they're listed as 320 points for 20
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>>53594420
Lots of BA units allow for re-rolling charge distances, and you can use that re-roll stratagem too.
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>>53594420
It is when you can use a command point to reroll one of your charge dice. Anyway if deep striking isn't your thing, your jump pack dudes now get to move twelve inches before charging 2d6. 13-18 inch threat range Again, with the ability to reroll one die is nothing to laugh at.

If that still isn't reliable enough, you can now charge out of any vehicle. And if your regular vehicles aren't reliable enough, the landraider is now a fortress on wheels.

Face it, charging is just so much better this edition.
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>>53594420

It's a 30% chance because you actually have to roll a 9 - since all deep striking/infiltrating/etc. says more than 9" away. Armies that get re-rolls when charging have a much better go of it (i.e Orks when casting Da Jump).
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>>53594420
"more than 9" away", and you need to be within 1 inch for the charge to work, so you still need a 9 inch charge.
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Can someone give me a choosen and standart csm rules?
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>>53594482
>13-24
Is what I meant to say
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>>53594341

Avenger + battlecannon Knights are about as shooty as walkers get and breddy gud at it

They still get their stomps which are way better against hordes now
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>>53594420
>but charging 8" isn't reliable.
You have to charge 9" not 8". The rule says OVER 9" away
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>>53594480
A bigger unit of GS has the advantage of moving more models at once with the double-move ability, and when they reach melee, that unit will obliterate basically anything it touches in a single round, including Knights.
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So tell me about BTs in 8th, /tg/. What did we get.
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Will orks be worth playing in 8th ed?
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Don't forget that a charge is successful if you get within an inch of the enemy, not base to base contact.
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>>53594513
Your lore got unfucked so you now have thousands of marines instead of 1200.
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>>53594522
From what I can tell, they can still be beasts in close combat, especially if they're the ones charging at the enemy
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>>53594512
Why wouldn't you use a trygon to move them instead? I had planned on using the double move on a flyrant
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>>53594531
You still need to roll 9z
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>>53594513
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

I don't know, you tell me.
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>>53594531
We didn't. I said 8" in my post for that reason, but as pointed out by others, you can only DS "MORE" than 9" away, meaning at bare minimum you'll need 8.00001" to make it within 1" of an enemy. No matter how you look at it, you need something more than a flat 8", so you need a roll of 9".
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>>53594251
2 decades of collecting HWT have finally paid off.
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>>53594420
Necrons are not, invasion beams and portal let you get to 1" away.

Also the ghostshround mantle lets you do the same and fuck off in the middle of combat too.

Only thing to make Obyron better would be to give him "my will be done" to get a whole bunch of lychgaurd 2+ to hit and re-rollable ones. That's about 30 S7 AP-4 2dmg attacks.
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Why are people defending 7th?!
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So how are 1k sons? I've heard that they got dicked.
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>>53594571
Over the past year, a bad habit of just grabbing the odd HWT model on ebay of x3 for $10 netted me about 60 of the schmucks. It's like 20 mortars, 10 hbolters, 10 lascannons, 10 missile launchers, and 10 autocannons. Ready for anything.
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Now IG is elite heavy, holy shit. I need at least 2 veteran squads, master of ordnance, psyker, 1-2 techpriest, 2 commissars, and that's not counting ratlings assassins etc.
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>>53594603
Because it wasn't designed for 11 year olds
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>>53594603
Because 7th let them cheese with anime commie robots, biker elves, free vehicles, and gravitational weaponry, none of which are as good (or in some cases, even a thing) anymore.
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>>53594615
Oh, you're one of those people who thinks more rules = better game.
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Have you guys noticed how insane Ratlings are? 7pts a pop, sniper rifles are very good weapon especially on such cheap platform, they get extra cover save (so they have 4+ in cover), they deploy anywhere over 18" from enemies and they get to move extra 6" when they shoot so they basically have 12" movement as long as they can shoot something.

But few things people dont understand about these little dudes:
-You go first if you deploy first and this DOESNT count in those who "infiltrate". Your army has 5 other units, 8 units of ratlings and 12 units of scions and primes in deepstrike? You do 5 of them and then opponent deploys his army. And then ratlings deploy and you go first with massive alpha. Damn.
-This ability and their cheap cost makes them very good "screens" against deepstriking and outflanking units.
-And the most insane part (which again makes them better screens): they get to move when they shoot. Even in overwatch. Holy poop!

Oh and they have T2, ld5 and sv6+ so they die to stiff breeze and then run away. But who cares they cost 70pts there is plenty more where those came from!
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>>53593368

Only waifu army is the Sororitas, and even they don't have actually good looking models so those of us who can't play games without cute girls are kind of fucked. In the grim darkness of the far future there's only hags.
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>>53594603
I haven't seen much of that here.
Tau whining, and some complaints about particular rules or units, but that isn't the same as 'I wish I was still in 7th'. Except the Tau whining.
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>>53594543
16"+2D6" plus charge is easier to reach a unit is easier than flat charging from over 9" away.
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>>53594603

Let's be honest with overselves. Not everything about 7th was bad, and not everything about 8th is good.
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>>53594625
And as long as they have LOS blocking cover to work with they can move out, shoot and move back to avoid counter fire.
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>>53594603
>Why are [tau players] defending 7th?
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>>53594341
Gatling Cannon off the Forgefiend, Thunderstrike Testicles, and the crack missiles for the carapace gun. It will be a take all comers unit to be supported by whatever else.
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>>53594605
Sorcerer is locked into using a gimped Smite, and they are still hella expensive in points
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>>53594353
Blastmasters are always awesome, but I feel like they are being "outawesomed" by Sonic Blasters.

4 points for an Assault 3 bolter with Ignore Cover?

YES PLEASE!
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>>53594651

>One psychic power per game

Really - you typed this when the rules are available for you to read?
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>>53594646
Everything about 8th is better than 7th.

I like being able to take the weapons and units I want and still be effective.
I like that my Blood Angels can play the way the lore states they do.
I like that dreads are now worth taking.
I like the simpler psychic phase.

There is literally nothing I miss about 7th.
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So i grabbed all what i have and recieved this list. How good it is? I have Sorcer with stave but he isnt in roster creator
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>>53594651
>one psychic power per game
What.
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>>53594429
Magnus: I don't need it... I don't need it...
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So a sm command squad is now 3
elite slots?
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>>53594667
Forge World really phoned in the Chaos Knight design
>it's like an ordinary knight but with spikes lmao
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>>53594384
>5 and 2 points/model units that have a 4++

If you can't figure it out, do you really deserve to have it explained to you
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>>53594695
Chaos is literally "but with spikes" the faction.
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>>53594656
Yeah totally. Aegis Defence Line fills that job just nicely.

Just an insane unit. Holy shit. You can easily take 80 of them and thats like only 1/4 of your army.
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>>53594679
some people are complaining that dedicated transports are too expensive.
of course other people are complaining how hard it is to kill dedicated transports.

you might notice the connection there.
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>>53594637
>>53593368
Soon
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So wait, drop pods are 103 points now and have to deploy 9" away from any enemy unit, and the units embarked in it have to also deploy 9" away from any enemy unit...

So... how bad are drop pods now?
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>>53594722
>skintight power armour
Into the trash it goes.
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>>53594722
Oh, look. Sisters models with fucking human breasts instead of baseball-chests.
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>>53594637
>only waifu army is the soritas

Uh, Slaanesh Daemons?
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>>53594722

I would literally start playing Warhammer if there were waifu-grade plastic Sisters of Battle. That's the one thing holding me back. They're always so goddamn cute in the fanart and such shitty manface hags in the official models.
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>>53594341
Never, ever take a pure melee knight. Completely pointless.

If you're running a bunch of knights, it's probably worth having a couple with fists to deal with really tough targets. Otherwise go shooty unless you are really short of assault units.
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>>53594695
That's kind of the point? It's an upgrade kit for the standard knight.
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>>53594740
I have more problem with those god-awful wannabe bolters and the insanely retarded curve of the magazine.
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>>53594641
Makes sense. Do you have a broodlord as well?
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>>53594727

Drops pods count as a drop that you don't place which then forces your opponent to deploy a unit. It is effectively a blind deployment in your count which is important.

Additionally there is some value in being able to guarantee the turn you come in on with absolutely 0 scatter for maximizing shooting range and position.
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>>53594707
Just because GW is often lazy and boring with their designs doesn't mean Forgeworld should be.
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>>53594777
The anon in >>53594416 does.
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>liking the simpler psychic phase
Oh yeah those three generic powers usable once per turn are real compelling
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>>53594773
not the boots?

I don't know what the sculptors had against feet, but it sure ain't pretty.
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>>53594750
Yeah... but its the best we can get. I dont think there will be gw sob minis in the near Future
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>>53594795

My Eldar army can cast 10.
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>>53594795
>usable once per turn
Per psychic unit.
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>>53594522
Yes, in the good to great tier.
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>>53594789
Forgeworld make fluffy designs
Spikes is fluffy because Chaos = Spikes and fleshy bits
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>>53594793
Yeah but he also doesn't have a swarmlord so I'm not taking pointers from his list
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>>53594772
And it's shit.
>lets start worshipping the ruinous powers
>sounds good to me, I'll swap out all our armour plates with spiky versions to show how edgy we are!
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>>53594727
Drop pods are still very useful.

They just aren't worth it anymore if you use them to drop 5 men squads.

Use them intelligently
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>>53594808
Matched play has the Psychic Focus Rule, each power can only be used once per turn.
>>53594818
>implying they switched anything
Chaos just makes shit spike
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>>53594825
Oh you mean, use them like the lore says instead of min/maxing?
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>>53594808

No - it is once per army per psychic phase - read the rules. Additionally its one attempt per phase
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>>53594813
(you)
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>>53594396
>The reroll only works on your dice though. You can't force an opponent to re-roll their armor save, but you could reroll your to hit or to wound or your D3 damage rolls or whatever.

Can you point out where it says you can't re-roll the other player's dice?
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>Dark Imperium has already dropped from BL
>no epub anywhere

What gives, lads?
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>>53594625
brb, sawing the legs off all my guardsmen to count-as ratlings
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I only glanced at the chaos index yesterday, do chaos lords get any benefit from choosing a chaos god aside from keyword changing?

Didn't see anything for the bonuses of a mark on the page.
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PRE-ORDERS UP, BOYS.
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>>53594858
Marks don't exist anymore. No one gets any benefit from picking a god other than (shitty) icons.
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>>53594841
Chaos is spikes, spikes are edgy
therefor chaos = edgy and so its spikey
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>>53594836
>Chaos just makes shit spike
So the corrupting mutation of Chaos only changes some, but not all, armour plates? It ignores the knee pads and everything else. None of the machinery? Garbage.
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Thinking of picking up a couple squads of black bananas to complement my Guard rather than doing the same with AdMechs (because the AdMechs are shooty while I'm already shooty so there's no synergy).

How are they looking for 8E?

T'au-heavy meta if that matters.
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>>53594836
Well, I guess I'm glad I play tyranids, and smite is good with zoanthropes. Get fucked, rest of the game.
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>>53594817
He doesn't? Oh. What a schmuck.

To the original question, bigger units of GS are still better even without Hive Commander because of Flurry of Claws. You want to maintain more than 10 models in the unit for as long as possible, through Overwatch especially.
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>>53594613
Why do you need a Master of Ordnance? He's so shit and useless now.
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Do Maulerfiends get the benefit of the various Daemons for having the Daemon Keyword and taking a Mark.

Making them Daemon of K/S/N/T?
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>>53594865
>No one gets any benefit from picking a god other than (shitty) icons.
Except new models and rules support from GW.
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>>53594795
first, no more random rolling so you know what you can do. Which needed to happen a long time ago.
Second, the choices on those actually do make a choice now. Sure you can only do 1-2 things with that psyker, but now it's a tactical choice.
I am able to make my unit harder to hit. I can stop that unit from overwatching. I make a unit hit harder. This unit is now tougher.

Yes, there aren't that many choices, but they're real tactical choices now. I'll take simplicity and clarity over 'lets hope I get invisibility' any day.
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>>53594874
Why this custodes is black? And what a book it is?
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>>53594858
Nothing right now. I'm assuming marks and legion tactics will have to wait until the codex considering that SM lost their chapter tactics too.
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I thought anon was memeing when he said it was going to be $420.

Jesus fucking christ.
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>>53594849
>What gives, lads?

Nobody cares about the post-Gathering Storm fluff, it's all awful.
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>>53594874
They sucks.
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>>53594740
It's not much worse than St Celestine's model both new and old. though as a whole they have more cheesecake-isms.

>>53594763
Well Raging heroes should be getting their sisters up soon the first wave of heroes is there. I'm waiting on big shit like the War Pulpit and Avatar of Shaah
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>>53594843
Their description of how that power is used on the teaser feed, and the inherent nature of rerolling a dice ("again") meaning you first rolled it.
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>>53594903
Because he's part of a special club that guards secret vaults and Inferno. (Respectively)
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>>53594895
No, since marks aren't in yet they just get the 5++ from being daemons.
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>>53594913
BLAZE IT FGTS
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>>53594669
>30 pts
>can remove 15pts per turn for FREE
>has S5 AP-2 D3 weapon

Right.
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>>53594913
> Couple of books.
> Some stupid shit.
> 420$
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>>53594903

It's from HH7, and it's black because gold custodes look damned stupid.

Fluffwise, I'm told the ones in gold are the ones actually guarding the Throne and, therefore, the ones least likely to actually show up on a given battlefield.
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>>53594913
>Silly Australians and their inflated pri-
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>>53594913
Anyone dumb enough to spring for a Limited Edition version of this game is dumb enough to pay whatever GW asks. Might as well milk the whales for all they're worth.
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>>53594953
What Sorcerer is that?
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>>53594291
>6 infantry squads
I mean I can DO that, but daaang. I'd need a lot of officers and commissars to keep their stupid butts in line.
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>>53594933
Technically (and I'm being technical, since you attempted to be), if you roll a dice that your opponent rolled previously, "again" still fits.
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>>53594843
There's a difference between "You can re-roll a single dice" and "You can tell your opponent to re-roll a single dice." You don't roll for your opponents, ever.
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>>53594924

So does ur mum.
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>>53594872
What point are you trying to make? You don't like the model, fine, who cares.
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>>53594979
Well, it is 40k - if you agree to it with your your opponent, you can do anything.
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>>53594939
>>53594895
no, but Keywords are a big rules opening that you can already see the starts of.
Strategums that say "a [keyword] unit can...", characters with "target [keyword] unit..." or "[keyword] units within...".
There is a lot of room there. Expect things to involve it.
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>>53594974
Aspiring, although i forgot to count in cost of his Force Weapon. He is 30 base.
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>>53594992
Sure, but purely by the rules, you can re-roll any single dice, including your opponent's dice.
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The new Dark Imperium pre-order is out for ÂŁ250, but how much do the limited edition codecs cost?
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>>53594913
It will take them some time to sell all of them, but I think that they eventually will. Might take over a year, but then again I don't know how many cavalier rich kids are playing this game throughout the world. Who knows, maybe there's even a Saudi prince out there who's interested in this.

But once they do, they just made $420,000 off of something that probably cost them just a couple of grand to produce.
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>>53593603
>>53593695
>>53593811
It's an agri-world, because the cartographer wanted you to know that there's grass on the field...
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>>53594233

Give them greaves and make them Stormtroopers/Grenadiers. That's what I'm doing.
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>>53594991
I just felt like arguing desu.
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>>53594975
Previously, you needed 2 10 man squads +5 more for a PCS just to fill a single troop slot. With the breakup of platoons into separate squads - with infantry, conscripts, and even scions all being separate troop choices now - it's easier than ever. And vets and CCM specialists are elites, and HWT are heavy support, and so on. It's so very ridiculously easy for us to fill out a large detachment now.
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>>53594975
Really? One or two commissars could cover all of that now that their moral buff an aura. They just need one dude from the squad in range and they have virtual immunity to moral.
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So I'm a little confused by the new AP rules. What does a -2 weapon do against a 3+ save? Make it a 5+ save? Or is it basically the same -2 goes through 2+?
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>>53594861
I ordered! I'm so fucking excited! I'm painting up my Chads as red, white, and blue Merica marines.
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>>53593782

Found the faggot.
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>>53595003
You don't reroll for your opponent and nothing says you can.
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>>53594890
Damn okay, looks like I'm bringing 20 every game.
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>>53594995
>>53594939
Why not though?

Not trying to start shit here but It has the Daemon Rule, I take the Mark of Tzeentch, Which meets the criteria for a Tzeentch Daemon to get Ephemeral Form.

Besides, the livestream yesterday had a defiler making Disgustingly resilient rolls
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>>53595034
Please don't. We don't need more Commissar Gamza's running around. That's weapons-grade autism.
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>>53595033
explained in the book, but sure.
AP-2 weapon on a 3+ save makes it a 5+ save.
AP-2 on a 2+ save make it a 4+ save.
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>>53594913

Does this at least include all the Indexes printed on sexy thick paper and a nice slipcover or something?
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Why the fuck are Cypher and the Fallen chaos models?

They're not tied into the rest of the chaos line. They don't have any real fluff relation. And I certainly don't know any Chaos players who give a fuck about them.

Why aren't they a Dark Angels unit (That prevents you bringing Inner Circle models), like they should be?
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>>53595043
The strategem rule says you can. "You can re-roll any single dice"

>any
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>>53595071
Because they're disloyal traitors.
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>>53595071

They're actually have "Imperium" in their keywords in the Chaos Index.
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>>53595062

Comes with


- the full, unabridged 280-page Warhammer 40,000 book featuring the core and advanced rules, with exclusive soft touch cover and ribbon marker;
- a 96-page hardback Dark Imperium Art Book, featuring art from the wide and varied history of Warhammer 40,000 by such luminaries as John Blanche, Alex Boyd, Adrian Smith and more;
- a double-sided map of the galaxy – one side featuring the Gathering Storm, with exclusive text depicting key events, and the other featuring the locations of the resulting warp storms that are tearing the galaxy apart;
- 2 exclusive Paul Dainton art prints, a Primaris Space Marine and a Death Guard Plague Marine;
- an exclusive, 112-page mini rulebook, featuring all the gaming content from the main book in a convenient small format;
- 6 individually numbered tactical objective markers cast in metal;
- a metal combat gauge, with 3”/2”/1.5”/1” edges;
- 15 servo skull-shaped Command Point tokens, cast in metal;
- an exclusive deck of 36 Tactical Objective cards, with foil block and gilt edges.
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>>53595062
It doesn't include any indexes at all.
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>>53595033
Essentially, "ayy pee minus two" adds 2 to the opponent's armor save target. So Armor Save 3 becomes Armor Save 5.
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>>53595003
>>53595091
In GW's own description of the rule, they say

>"That Tactical Re-roll can be used to ensure a critical high-damage attack wounds a key enemy unit. But at the same time, your opponent could just as easily use theirs to re-roll that critical armour save."

You didn't roll that die. You can't reroll it. Furthermore, if you COULD re-roll an opponent's roll, that wouldn't make sense because they wouldn't be able to use their own re-roll on their own roll because any die can only be re-rolled once. It wouldn't make sense.
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>>53595051
Ephemeral Form is a rule that some (not all) Tzeetch Daemons have.
It's not a global rule that looks for keyword Tzeetch and Daemon.
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>>53595105
That must be an Alpha Legion feature
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>>53595057
Much appreciated
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>>53595091
>you can re-roll
Implies that you rolled it before. You never rolled your opponents dice so you can't re-roll them.
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So is an IMPERIUM army legal? For instance, Admech + Guard + Space Marines. I can't find anything in the rulebook to stop me legally talking a random hodge podge of units.

Same with Chaos, mixing deamons and CSM completely fine now?
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>>53595103
Right, but they're still very much a dark angels Thing, rather than a chaos Thing.
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>>53595103
>t. Asmodai

Cypher is literally Lion El' and you're literally a goddamn heretic.
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>>53595051
>>53595120
however, because it has the Keyword Tzeetch and Daemon, it would be effect by the Herald of Tzeetch's aura, because that just looks for those keywords.
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>>53595119
Yes it would and does make sense, and that seems the entire point of the rule. Its a payment for a benefit, even if that benefit is disrupting your opponents counter
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>>53595119
>In GW's own description of the rule, they say
An out of context description isn't a rule, nor is that exhaustive. Just because rerolling an opponent's die wasn't mentioned in the examples of possibilities doesn't mean it is impossible. Otherwise, we would be forced to conclude that you can't reroll invulnerable saves, because that wasn't given an example. And that's retarded. You aren't retarded, are you anon?

>Furthermore, if you COULD re-roll an opponent's roll, that wouldn't make sense because they wouldn't be able to use their own re-roll on their own roll because any die can only be re-rolled once

That makes complete sense anon. How is it difficult to comprehend?
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>>53594913

Ha, I hope this rots until they're forced to quietly take it down like the AoS one did.
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>>53595144

That is correct. Be wary with AdMech armies because canticles require all units in detachment must have the rule to benefit from them.
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>>53594849
>>Dark Imperium has already dropped from BL

For preorder.
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>>53595134
No, it doesn't. It implies that the dice has been rolled before, not that you specifically have done it. Also, implications aren't rules.
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>>53595144
Yes. So long as they share a faction, such as Imperium or Ale-dari, they can be together. Just keep track of things that say, "All units in <Chapter> get this bonus" and so on.
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>>53595111
>Spend more money for books

>Get exclusive, convenient book with only gaming content

I mean, you're a chump if you're not using the scans for that exact purpose, but it's shit like this that drives people AWAY from paying for shit, GW.
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>>53595183
Its available in ebook.
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>>53595177

Why? You get some really cool shit with it. It isn't for me because that isn't part of my hobby but having it as an option for people who like those things isn't bad. They're not forcing you to buy it.
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>>53594817
>>53594890
My list isn't a tournament list. Why would I play the strongest combo from the strongest army in the game?

I've been a Tyranid player for a decade. I'm not some cuck WAAC faggot Tau player.
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>>53594522
That position looks incredibly uncomfortable.
Also it is apperent that the person tha drew this never held a pair of clippers in his hand.
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>>53594254
What is the A breakdown for that bad boy? 30" move is straight retarded, and the Baleflamer is an auto-take again.
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Anyone have a link to the new Primaris Marine painter? I keep seeing people post paintjobs but haven't been able to find the template to do it.
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>>53595203

Why? How does offering this product drive people away from spending money? Because they offered a collectors edition along side the more regular offerings?
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>>53595150
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>53595208
You're saying that $420 is worth it for the contents of that package?

You're an idiot
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>>53595017
>Stormtroopers

Are they good now? I had them because I liked the models but they were pretty fucking useless for their points cost last edition unless you needed a suicide melta squad.
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>>53595212
>he doesn't fiddle with his tools in between working on shit
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>>53595166
>>53595161
>That makes complete sense anon.

No, it doesn't.

>Alright, I need a 3+ to save my dood. I rolled a 5, nice.
>No, you're going to re-roll that.
>Err, okay-
>No, even better, I'm going to re-roll that.
>It isn't even your role, m8.
>Doesn't matter. Oh look, I rolled a 2. He's dead.
>Then I'm going to use my re-roll to try again-
>No. Can't. I already re-rolled your dice. He's dead.
AsIntended.jpg.
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>>53595159
>>53595120
Ahh, makes sense

Thank you, anons
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Any good (decent at least) HH book about the Dark Angels?

I feel like theyr story could have been one of the most interesting but turned out to be the most mediocre.
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>>53595211
This is what happens when your army is made by someone who actually likes it, waacfags start cropping up everywhere, the local waac netlist fags all started collecting nids when the leaks dropped and they're all way easier to take down than you'd think
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>>53595065
Wait for the codex. So many people jumping the gun here. If it's not in your codex when that finally come out then you can bitch and moan about it missing.
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>>53595235

Because I disagree with you? Some people will buy it, some people won't. Value is to some degree subjective. If you like art books, if you like the idea of objective cards cast in metal it may be worth it to you.

I'm more interested in the gaming side of things so I won't buy it but I don't understand why people have a problem with it existing. I'd get it if they only put this up for pre-order and forced you to buy it to get the rules but they didn't. They just offered it along side everything else.
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>>53595238
I'm not a collage guy, but I gotta admit, that's
a pretty fucking cool one.
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How do you highlight black armour?
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So, tg, digital or physical Index?
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>>53595243
If two players want to reroll a die, the first to speak up gets to do it, and the result of that reroll stands.

Pretty simple m8, I'm starting to think you are retarded.
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We need a full version of this. Also a story as to why a Ultramarine is DM in a Dnd game
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>>53595291

I went all digital enhanced editions - went ahead and pre-ordered my whole set this morning + enhance rulebook. I just prefer referencing from my iPad
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>>53595292
>the first to speak up gets to do it,
now you're flat trolling.
'first one to call it gets it' is not a rule you find in actual table top games, and results in terrible play experience (had a GM who tried to do this for initiative one, never again).
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so i have a squad of custodes that i just want to be able to slot into anything, how should i build/kit them out?
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>>53594975
Commissars are silly meme. I've done some playtesting and can say that battleshock is not that scary. Commissar can't save you from direct anti-personnel fire and doesn't do much against occasional bolter drill, so I can say that they are a waste of points. Better get platoon commanders for your HWTs, really.
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>>53595292
And you didn't make the roll in the first place, meaning you can't make a "re"roll of it. I'm starting to think you are retarded, m8. It's pretty simple.
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>>53595279
Because you think something is worth $420 purely because of artificial shortage
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>try to get back into 40k
>8th leaks
>stop trying to get back into 40k
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>>53594429
Nails on chalkboard "You're good. Keep backing up. You're good, you're good." Referencing GW erasing canon.
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>>53593373
>Watching live stream
>Lead designer for the franchise is speaking
>"Warhammer 40K is about the story between the Imperium and Chaos"
>MFW
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>>53595286
With a slightly lighter shade. Just don't overdo it.
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Is this THE competitive nids list?

I cannot see it losing to many armies
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>>53595003
>purely by the rules
Pureply by the rules, only "the player commanding the target unit" makes the saving throw.
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Forgeworld rules leak when?
I need my special snowflake rules
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>>53593865
I've never been able to tell what exactly that Beaky is doing, what is he pulling out of the can?
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I have to wait for forge world rules to drop for my death Korps, but has anyone ever tried out the macharius heavy tanks?
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>>53595331

I don't - I'm not buying it. However I don't have a problem with them offering it at that price point and neither should you because it doesn't affect you.
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>>53595321
Bit of a tough one.

Custodes are really good in CC, but lost deep strike. They require a mandatory Land Raider, so that's a cost of 600~ points for the one unit.

Don't get me wrong, that's a tough as fuck set of dudes, but a huge chunk of your army.

Custodian Guard PL 14
Custodian Guard M 6 WS 2+ BS 3+ S 5 T 5 W 3 A 3 LD 8 SV 2+
Shield Captain M 6 WS 2+ BS 2+ S 5 T 5 W 3 A 4 LD 9 SV 2+

1 Custodian Shield captain and 4 custodians, up to 5 additional custodians

Guardian Spear:
Shooting: 24" rapidfire 1 s4 ap -1 dmg 2
melee s +1 ap -3 dmg d3

guardian blade:
ranged: 12" pistol2 s 4 ap 0 dmg 1
melee: S user ap 3 dmg d3 a model with powerknife and guardian blade gains a additional attack

powerknife:
melee s user ap -2 dmg 1

each model may replace guardian spears for a guardian blade
one may take a vexillium (only one per detatchment)
each custodian that does not has a guardian spear may take a stormshield

5+ invul for all
stormshield 3+ invul
vexillium friendly imperium units within 6" may reroll failed ld tests each model in the vexilliums unit gains +1 attack.

faction: imperium, adeptus custodes
keywords: infantry, custodian guard

points:
custodian 40 pts
powerknife 5
guardian spear 12
guardian blade 9
vexillium 25
stormshield 5
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>>53595339
NPC races isn't just a meme anon.
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>>53595345
How about silver? Or would that look awful?
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>>53595339
He's right though. Xenos are cool but they've always been side characters.
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>>53595359
You and me both>>53595364
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>>53595215
4, 3, 2

Ya, the bale flamer seems like a no brainier for the chaos dragon unless you want to save points. 60 for the flamer 33 for the Hades autocannon on top of 138 for the chassis.
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>>53595204
>Its available in ebook.

For pre-order.
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>>53595352
Even if you could somehow take your opponent's die and reroll it, im not sure it would actually count under the rules, since the controlling player still would have not failed a save.
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>>53595226
>And his greatest enemy was... door entrances the artwork.
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>>53595298
He knows all the rules.
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>>53594605
Literally got worse. Invuln reduced, three spells that can each only bre cast once, squad psykers got even worse, Ahriman is a bitch, Exalted's lost the relics that made them worthwhile AND lost their bombardment. All is Dust seems neat until you see how many weapons do more than one wound.
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>>53595339
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>>53595376
It can look really good if you're going for a
>black paint over metal getting chipped off at the edges
look but it would have to be irregular.
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AIGHT BOOTYPIXIES
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>>53595320
Why? Think about it this way anon: If you want to stop someone from re-rolling your dice, you have to ... re-roll your dice. There's absolutely no incentive to get into mtg level counter wars, because you can't actually "counter" someone from re-rolling your dice. The only way the situation you describe would happen is if all players involved are retarde--- oh wait. Look anon, I'm sorry for your condition, but that doesn't mean the rules should cater to you.
>>53595327
You're going in circles, see:>>53595188
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>>53595158
Wouldn't Cypher be about thirty feet tall if he was a primarch? Or is he slouching to hide that give-away?
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I pre ordered digital indexes.Did the codex look good on phones like the iphone 6s+
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>>53595400
Some anon in last thread posted spoilers, even site says it has per order only for hardback.
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>>53595298

No we don't, in fact I think GW needs to stop chasing the normies wallets.
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Limited Edition still isn't sold out? I thought it'd be gone faster
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>>53595459
>paying money for digital media
>in the current year
I didn't know 70+ year olds played 40k.
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>>53595429
the problem is, it creates people trying to shout over each other to get there first.
Table top games are TURN BASED, being able to talk quicker than your opponent is not part of calculation. The order of operations get laid out in the rules and 'whoever talks first' is NEVER the basis for that order.
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>>53595483
Sorry, I don't steal everything.
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>>53595428
NooOOOiiSssE
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>>53595224
I mean in that there's a product that's only a condensed, fluff-less version of the game rules that exists. It's available, and you can spend money on it.

But the only way to spend money on it is to drop $420 (lmao) on a copy of the rules with fluff in them, and a bunch of artbooks and such.

Only GW would think it's a good practice not to cater to the people who don't care about fluff and just want to drop hundreds of dollars on minis and rules to play. They could have sold the fluff-less rules booklet for like fourty or thirty dollars, and I guarantee you it would have moved units.
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>>53594429
>horus: oh, so this is the thanks i get for working over time.
>emperor:OVERTIME?
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>>53595483

I pre-ordered all the enhanced editions - it will be available the day before launch, distributed by apple so it will be seamless, I won't have to wait for someone to put up a piss poor scan, and with the enhanced editions I get extra functionality out of it.

Only Luddites and poor fags buy physical mediums and wait for scans.
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>>53595238
Scions are borderline OP right now. IG special weapons are priced according to BS4+ but Scions hit on 3+. So 10 scions with 4 plasmaguns and a plasmapistol is on 128pts. Get 2 of those, Tempestor Prime to order them with "Dont cook yourself with plasma and maybe even hit more" and go town with 9" deepstrike.
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>>53594871
Just let people bitch for no reason about sculpts, anon.
Either they like feeling bitter about GW modeling for any reason they can grasp, -or- they're Chaos players feeling sensitive, which I can understand. I mean, Chaos hasn't really gotten much love from GW in a long time.
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>>53595298
>Most generic and posterboy chapter
>Most generic and posterboy TTRPG
Seems simple to me.
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>>53595429
>You're going in circles
I'm not that person. But anyways, you are making assumption that you somehow gain the power to make rolls for other people. And the rules tell you who makes what rolls, with nothing listing an exception anywhere, which gives far less credibility to your assumption. The rules say who makes the hit roll, the wound roll, the save roll. Having the other player making my hit rolls or my wound rolls, or making rolls for the other player, is and never will be fun in a game, nor has it ever been allowed in this game.

I'm sorry that this will need to be errata'd for you, but your being stubborn and willfully ignorant here. But keep calling people retards for not standing by you. I'm sure if you say it enough, it'll be true.
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>>53595483
>giving money to people who provide you with content that you use and enjoy.
it's called not being a cheap ass scavenger.
You're one of those shitheads who never brings food or beer to the party, because you know that other people are bringing it.
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>>53595238
They got a points drop to 9+1 for the hotshot lasgun. A ten man squad can have 4 special weapons and many guard special weapons like plasma went down in points.

Tauraox Prime are more durable and I think faster.

The funny thing is Melta went up and the changes to deep strike make it less useful than before as a deep strike tank hunter.

I made a list that is more of a joke/meme list than anything but here goes:

2000 pts Brigade detachment

Tempestor Prime (Bolt pistol)[41] 123
Tempestor Prime (Bolt pistol)[41]
Tempestor Prime (Bolt pistol)[41]

Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132] 792
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]

Tempestus Command squad (4xPlasma)[64] 192
Tempestus Command squad (4xPlasma)[64]
Tempestus Command squad (4xPlasma)[64]

Tempestus Command squad (4xMelta)[84] 540
Tempestus Command squad (4xMelta)[84]
Tempestus Command squad (4xMelta)[84]
Taurox Prime (Gatling Cannon, 2xVolley Gun)[96]
Taurox Prime (Gatling Cannon, 2xVolley Gun)[96]
Taurox Prime (Gatling Cannon, 2xVolley Gun)[96]

Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27] 135
Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27]
Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27]
Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27]
Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27]

Scout Sentinel (Auto Cannon, Sentinel Chainsaw)[52] 208
Scout Sentinel (Auto Cannon, Sentinel Chainsaw)[52]
Scout Sentinel (Auto Cannon, Sentinel Chainsaw)[52]
Scout Sentinel (Auto Cannon, Sentinel Chainsaw)[52]

Sub total 1990

There are enough ground units to deep strike almost all of the Tempestus if the Melta squads go in the Taurox.
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>>53595499
It doesn't create this situation, because there is no incentive to do it.

>"oh man, this is a critical save, I have to stop my opponent from re-rolling it"
>dice lands, on a 6, save
>look in opponent's eyes, at his mouth. Sweat beads forming on his temples, I see the sounds forming in his fat throat
>immediately, I shout for the entire store to hear "HURR DURR I'M RETARDED AND I WILL RE-ROLL MY SAVE TO STOP MY OPPONENT FROM RE-ROLLING MY SAVE"
>dice rolls, get a 1.
>Look at opponent with satisfaction as I remove the model, having failed its save, and down a command point
>As he proceeds to table me, I take complete pride in the fact that I won the reroll war.
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>>53594353

>tfw no Noise Havocs
>tfw no Noise Terminators
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>>53595514

So you're upset they didn't offer a soft cover rules on book at launch?
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>>53595512
Fabius "battleshock out with my cock out" Bile
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>>53595527
This guy gets it.

>>waiting to hear "fags paying for electricity"
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>>53595547
Again, you're bringing up things already dealt with. The rule does carve out an exception: it uses the word "any".
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>>53595238
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>>53595527
Physical rulebooks are objectively superior as you can literally hit you opponent with the book if he's being a cheating cunt.

I'd hate to do that with a tablet, especially a overpriced glass-faced iFlannel tablet.
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>>53594291
How effective would it be to run a pretty standard guard army but fill my troops with Scions instead of shitty Guardmen models
> Regiment of Kasrkin who survived the fall of Cadia and want sweet vengeance
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>>53595514
>They could have sold the fluff-less rules booklet for like fourty or thirty dollars, and I guarantee you it would have moved units.
they are doing that. It is.

This isn't like in 7th ed where there was no option to just by the little rule book, or even the big rulebook outside of the hardcover with all the special extras.
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>>53595556
>>53595499
I mean, technically speaking, the re-roll rule says "you" can never re-roll a dice more than once. If we're all being asshats here, the other player can re-roll a re-rol because he isn't (You).
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>>53595550
>You're one of those shitheads who never brings food or beer to the party, because you know that other people are bringing it.
Shit analogy. My downloading doesn't consume a product like food or beer. Nobody is deprived because of my actions. Try again.
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>>53595578

Whatever you need to say to feel better about not being able to afford what is at this point an inexpensive table (300 dollars).

You probably also hate BCP because the only way you can run an event is on apple products.
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>>53595573
It also uses "re-roll," which has its own implicit restrictions you want to assume your way around. Like the ability to make a saving throw when not the controlling player for a dice you didn't roll. But around and around we go.
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>tfw at this rate, GW is probably going to discontinue AOS before Slaanesh release
Now I have to wait a year to start 40k with EC
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>>53595559
>tfw no legion rules
>tfw possessed are worse than last edition
>tfw possessed are worse in assault than spawn
>tfw mutilators are worse than last edition
>tfw obliterators nerfed (again)
>tfw warp talons still underwhelming
>tfw dark apostles have no options
>tfw defilers bad in melee
>tfw defilers bad at shooting
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>>53595597
You sound like an entitled cunt

Different guy btw, so you realise that many people think you're an entitled cunt
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>>53595589
>9 pts per model instead of 4 pts.
I don't know, mang. I haven't played 8th yet. I'd say do it because you want to do it, if that's what you want to do.
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>>53595348
my god Im so fucking hype for the new edition
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>>53595638

>tfw you're incapable of math and understanding that mechanically obliterators and possessed are functional
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>>53595556
if rolls were only pass fail, you'd be correct.
But rolls aren't exclusively pass fail.
variable damage, double 6s on psykic rolls. Etc.

Even if they did allow you to reroll the opponents die, the rule would NOT be 'whoever talks first'.
I'll give an example. X-wing does have rules for affecting the opponents dice roles, including rerolling. And they lay down a specific order for doing so.

IF, big if, the rules did allow for rerolling an opponents die, they would have set up an order of operation.

"whoever talks first" is not a thing used in rules.
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>>53595573
Alright. Assuming you can reroll any dice

>person makes their saving throw, gets what they need
>you spend a point, pick up the dice and reroll it
>the first roll still stands, because the rules only care about the rolls made by the controlling player
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>>53595339

>NPC Xenos confirmed.

Finally they said it loud for lla the xenocucks
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>>53595551
Forget the bolt pistols give your Tempestors Command Rods instead. You lose one S4 shot (boo hoo) but you can make 2 orders per turn. Makes Plasmaguns even more effective.
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>>53595348
Wait, are nids good now?
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>>53595627
>>53595667
>IF, big if, the rules did allow for rerolling an opponents die, they would have set up an order of operation.

This is GW we're talking about.
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So who do people think are the big winners and losers so far?

I think sisters of battle have done quite well out of it now that penitent engines are monstrous creatures.
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>>53595348
>Biovores
>20 man rapestealers with brood and swarmlord
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>>53595597
they brought that food to share, it was going to be shared whether I brought food or not, so it's not stealing.
I'm not saying you're stealing. I'm saying your being a cheap shithead.
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So, I'm still fairly new to 40k, so I'm probably just missing something and am an idiot. That said, I'm building an ork list for 8e, but I'm wondering if having a boss nob in your boyz or stormboyz costs anymore apart from what his loadout is. I'm pretty sure in 7e there was a cost to upgrading a model to a boss nob, but I'm not seeing one in the index book.
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>>53595592
>quick look through GW website
Uh....no. No they didn't.
The only rulebook standalone on sale is a 60 dollar hardback which includes the fluff.
We're talking about a softcover book that's ONLY the rules, for cheaper.
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>tyranids the ONLY army with a completed roster maker
Noice
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>>53595464
Reeeeeee sekrit club!!!! Mom all the normal cool kids will like my special little niche and ruin my coolness in it mooommmmm
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>>53595589
scions =/= kasrkin
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>>53595694
>person is bringing bucket of unlimited food
Why would I buy more food? Seems wasteful.
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Hey guys, brand new to 40k. I'm gonna end up with the Deathguard from the starter box x2

Which should I buy to supplement them? I'm not really sure where to start.
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>>53595685
okay, maybe they wouldn't have laid out clear rules.
But that would have been a case of them not putting in a rule. They would not put out a rule of 'whoever talks first gets it'. That would not be the intended rule, that would not be the implied rule.

They might be unclear about the rule, but 'whoever talks first goes' would not be the rule.
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>>53595571

Exchanging money for goods and services is pretty faggy by itself you know.
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I'm torn on whether to get the epubs of the rules/my index or print copies. My LGS's preorder rebate kinda sucks so print version through them isn't any cheaper.

What do? Are GW's digital releases good?
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>>53595348
A-anon, give a noob advice
Does this look ok?
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Should i start in 40k with Demons /tg/? Khorne or Nurgle are viable options in the new meta?
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People like this shouldn't be allowed to handle money.
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>>53595721
>>53595685
I still say GW might be idiots with the vagueness of their rules, but they literally showcased this reoll in action with "you can roll that to wound against that important model, but your opponent can just as easily reroll their armor save againt the wound."

It's very clear what they intended, but GW being GW doesn't understand that some players will try anything unless directly and explicitly stated otherwise.
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Do we have any scans of the new books? Since they're open at GW stores at the moment I gotta assume that a manager or something would manage to do it
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>>53595721
Whoever talks first seriously isn't the problem, because as already stated, you have to be retarded to get into it. It's an oversight, sure, but currently the exact text of the rules allows you to reroll opponent's dice, and that is fine.

TOs will probably put in a small priority system, where the controlling player has to pass on a reroll before the non controlling player gets a chance. But until then it's pretty easy to work out in most situations.
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>>53595680
It seems like their competitive builds are S tier but they can be played casually with very fun lists. The only thing is whether or not they can compete with IG's heavy weapon platform, guardsmen and command point spam.
>>53595687
My body is ready
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I'm in my local GW to preorder, the smell is awful rip
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Well, I wasted my one good day off in a few months. Went to the local GW (70min trip) to try out 8e, found that despite actually having demonstratory copies of the books there we weren't allowed to play 8e, he had 2/4 tables set aside for Sigmar only and one for the newbies demo game. So, of course, there was a massive lost of people waiting for the one table showcasing the starter setso I hung around and talked for an hour before deciding to leave, then the train back got stuck for another hour.

No idea what the fuck the manager was thinking, setting aside the entire store for either games not related to the massive launch or playing the same starter game over and over. I need to find a new FLGS or make myself a garagehammer board.

On the upside, while making lists for a cool Nids vs. Mech game that never happened I worked out that my Admech have had a pretty dramatic points cut, which is handy.
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>>53595717
okay, another example.
A friend of yours in putting on a show, hat set up for donations. You never put it in.
Tips aren't legally required, getting the service anyways, so never tip.

They put the effort into making the thing you are using, you are choosing to not compensate for that. You are a cheep shithead.
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>>53595030
Hmm, point. Two redshashes could cover the entire group if I was clever. And that gets me six lascannons, which can fire independently. But I'd need 3 company commanders to command them all.

OTOH orders as applied to heavy weapons are kinda meh now, it's more about the plasma and lasguns. So I don't NEED that many.

OR I could use Scions and put my heavy weapons into individual squads. I've got 3 scion sergeants...3 squads there, plus 3 infantry, 2 heavy weapon squads, 2 commissars and some ratlings, A manticore because FUCK YOU, two Tank commanders for fun and just in case my opponent gives me shit about ordering themselves, and a Tempestor Prime (because he looks cooler). Fast Attack...I guess I could run the chimeras I have as Hellhounds until I get some sentinels.

I'm gonna get a squad of Rough Riders at some point, but re: Sentinels, what're the good options?
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>>53593820
>they push Drukhari for deldar
>not Asyurani for CW
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>>53595751
Well, he bought it, so clearly GW is taking care of that problem for him!
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>>53595738

I've been using enhanced editions for my iPad for years and love them. It's still less expensive than the physical copy (44.99 vs. 60 dollars) and the functionality is very nice.

Included a pic to give you an idea of what the enhanced bit doe.
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>>53595774
>>53595774
>>53595774
new
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>>53595604
>inexpensive table (300 dollars).
That's 300 dollars not spent on minis.
Way to much for a one-use device that won't take common connectors, cards or memory sticks.
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>>53595755
or you could just admit that what your saying is the reading of the rule clearly goes against all the implied rules, requires you to come up with a rule that doesn't fit any other system by any company.

Hell, even in GW when there were rules that caused opponents to reroll dice, it's written as 'you may force your opponent to reroll that die'.
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>>53595589
Overpowered, probably. Scions all get deepstrike so you can just drop your gunnisher army at optimal ranges and open fire.
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>>53595787

Again - whatever it takes to justify your being a poorfag.
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>see the wulfen and thunderwolf cavarly entries
What the fuck? Do those things even have a weakness?
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>>53595674
Thank you I hadn't even fully looked at that. I was just accounting for the points, that is way better.
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>>53595753

They're everywhere and have been everywhere since Wednesday - just got to 3++ is the new black.
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>>53595755
Not him, but the problem isn't priority. The problem is someone making your roll for you instead of you being told to reroll. This is a double issue because for one, your opponent never makes your rolls for you in 40k, and assuming such is stupid. The second problem is because the rule for re-rolling also works under that assumption, so it says "you" can never re-roll a dice more than once. Meaning, if you and your opponent can re-roll the same dice for some sudden reason (which really probably isn't the case), then you each can re-roll the dice once. Which is its own violation that can only happen under these same assumptions.
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>>53595802
It doesn't go against any implied rules, and requires a slight oversight by GW, consistent with their historical and current editing process. I'm pretty sure it's intentional: you can reroll opponent's dice. Don't sperg out too hard when it happens to you retard, you wouldn't want to make my examples true for you.
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>>53595762
Fair enough, but two points
>GW isn't my friend
>nobody will know I'm being cheap ;^)
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>>53595589
It'd be hella pricey at 9pt a dude instead of 4pt. You get great BS and a lot of special weapons, though. Plus Deep Strike.
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>>53595741
That's pretty much the objective holder variant of my killy list, my gripes are that you need a swarmlord to give the genestealer horde the 16"+2D6" plus charge move with Hive Commander ability as well as the fact that you have no ranged mortal wound support. Your staying power is great though.

The Hive Commander rule also helps units like zoanthropes zip around and get to where they need to be.
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>>53595763
Autocannons for Scout Sentinels and Plasma Cannons for Armored Sentinels.

Note that only Armored Sentinels can carry plasma, and you can fire them at low power for reliable cheap (and most importantly FAST) marine and light vehicle killers.

The Autocannon is the only multidamage gun (and therefore the only gun that can threaten vehicles and MC's, considering available rates of fire) that fires more than once, and thus can survive Guardsman BS. ESPECIALLY with the fire-on-the-move penalties that everything except the Russ has now.
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>>53595853
>I'm pretty sure it's intentional
Then you would really happen to be the retard you're quick to call everyone else.
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>>53594429
>abbadon: PUT THE MONEY IN THE BAG
>Imperium: your facing the wrong way sir
>abbadon: oh, he he, ALRIGHT PUT IT IN
>Imperium: will that be from your savings or checking account, sir?
>abbadon: savings
>Imperium: sir, we are seeing a balance of zero dollars and zero cents for both of your accounts
>abbadon: oh
>imperium: NEXT
the events of the black crusades 1 through 12
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So noise marines seem bretty cool. However, Icon of Slaanesh seems fairly sucky since it only works v. Imperium Forces.

Thoughts?
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>>53594336
They do so much more in narrative play, that only have 3 or 4 will put you at a disadvantage. It's awesome.
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>>53594254
Heldrake is higher strength than a carnifex?
What the hell, who thought of this shit
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>>53595898
Make it look like Horus Heresy and kill only loyalist scum
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>>53595942
Big metal tank with jet engines versus big fleshy tank with legs.
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>>53595663
>Obliterators
>functional
>don't know what the gun will be good at hurting until you decide your target
>Spend all game plinking at a land raider with s7 ap -1 d1 guns
>ever getting in range for more than a turn or two anyways

>possessed
>more expensive than berserkers
>worse than berserkers
>barely cheaper than warp talons
>worse in every way than warp talons
>their speed mattering in the age of rhino rush
>having the same number of attacks as basic CSM with chainswords
>damage 2 mattering when they'll struggle to hurt 2W models (Terminators, Vehicles, etc) with their garbage AP.
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>>53594429
>fulgrim: maybe if we play so loud, people will think were good!
the forming of the noise marines
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>>53594420
>drop CSM termies 9.1" away
>warp time them 5 inches closer
>its now a 4" charge

How will I ever manage that?
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>>53595873
Note that plasma sentinels are one of the few Guard units that have gone UP in price (50 to 55, 57 if you want them to take sentinel chainsaws, which is a bad idea since they're terrible at melee). This is probably because the low-power setting on the Plasma Cannon makes them useful now.
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>>53595462
>>53595400
No, I just bought it and reading it. The site lies.
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>>53595724

You can always tell who plays the Tau...

Fuckin commies.
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>>53595663
>he thinks Oblits are worth shit all
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>>53595976
>his is probably because the low-power setting on the Plasma Cannon makes them useful now.
Holy shit, I didn't even notice Supercharged instantly slays even a T5 W6 3+ model on a 1. It's not even "deals 1 mortal wound," it's just POOF, up in smoke.

What the fuck?
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>>53595991
Post if it has any mentions of certain cat lady.
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>277pt Chaos pred
>4 S9 Ap-3 Dd6 shots
>3d3 S7 Ap-1 D3 shots
>1d6 S5 shots
>2 S7 Ap-3 shots

That's a lotta dakka
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>>53596125
Yep, Leman Russes get away with it because Emergency Plasma Vents and the Tank Commander's 'reroll 1s' order, but Sentinels get the short end of that stick, so instead they get d3 S7AP-3 D1 shots.

At 55 ppm on a T5 W6 3+ model with 8" Move.

I think they make it out okay.
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>>53593336
Any one know the points cost for land raider variants?
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>>53593336
Monkey's paw:

GW releases a new plastic range for SoB, including a new codex that makes them op; Seraphim, Battle Sisters/celestians, Cannoness and Repentant Engine all get resculpts.

Your favorite non-imperium faction gets squated.
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Am I reading this right? Do daemonettes really get -4 rend on 6 to wound
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>>53593336
Which index is Cypher and the fallen in?
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>>53596277
>including a new codex that makes them op
Have you not seen 8th? In addition to all the cool stuff, one Ret squad gets to shoot twice and all the others get 50% chance of shooting twice if you have imagifiers. Between that and the new storm bolters, they tear everything a new asshole.
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>>53596277
You could of just stopped at makes them OP. that would ruin the faction faster than how nids are going to be ruined by the end of this edition with all the autists that are moving to them cause they are super strong.
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So are daemonettes viable now, or should I just get seekers?
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>>53596321
>>53596277
And that's shooting twice EVERY TURN. AoF are a turnly thing now. It's fucking beautiful.

I'll keep them metal so that my deldar boyz don't get Vect'd.
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>>53596293
Yes. It's basically the old Rending
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>>53593336
Admech player from last thread; please, help convince me to stay loyal to the Omnissiah. I really want to build/paint some more mini's, but the Admech update really disenhearted me.

Or, vice versa, convince me to lay off the tin-men, and take a walk on the wild side with Dark Eldar.
>>
>>53596369
Next FW Imperial Armour book is AdMech vs Tau, so you'll probably be getting some good stuff soon.
>>
Business Idea: Buy shit in UK post it to NZ and Aus
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>>53594874
Good choice senpai.
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>>53596331
Since when Daemonettes were not viable? Seekers are awesome too, you need the both.
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>>53596157
It's like 15 bucks. It's a kids meal at Mcdonalds.
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>>53596422
Awesome. I've always been told to just go all seekers
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>>53595051
That FNP Defiler was a mistake.
>>
Some armies seem straighup unfinishted

How long until all the keywords have a use?
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>>53595718

some tanks

maybe rhinos for the plague marines and a landraider because landraiders are cool as fuck

get some nurgle daemons too to help offset how expensive plague marines are pointswise.
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>>53596398
Yeah, but most of that will be FW. I want 40k Admech to be good, not just taking FW.

Also, dont say Electro priests. Those mini's suck so much.
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What should I get if I'm planning a pure slaanesh daemons list? It'll have to be an incursion, that I know from 7th. I'm still pretty new to 40k.
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>>53596486
So make your own?
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>>53596447
Common mislead.
Anyway now Seekers are far more expensive, but notice they have 2 wounds and can easily charge turn 1.

Their role is more clear now.
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>>53593652
Jesus Christ, a harlequin would have a stroke from seeing this.
>>
>>53596658
So they're the early, fast wave to widdle the enemy down for the infantry?
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>>53596688
Exactly
>>
>>53596531
Exalted chariots
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>>53595718
you are going to get a codex soon with more unit options, so dont invest too much right now, maybe paint your guys that you have, and play some low point games and just wait the month or 2 for release
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>>53594252
Gives a new meaning to con-scription.
>>
>it is now impossible to take full ravenwing command squads because they take up 3 elite squads and the outrider detachment only allows 2 elites
God fucking damnit GW
>>
>>53596781
Exalted Chariots are not the beasts they use to be. Right now smaller chariots seems more efficient. The Seeker Chariot is the only one with whips AND claws.
>>
Where do I find detachments like demonic incursions and kakophoni in the 8th ed stuff
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>>53597146
gone
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>>53596305
Chaos
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>>53596688
>whittle
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>>53595559
Hang in there, brother. We haven't gotten a Slaanesh model release yet, and since they're HEAVILY IMPLYING Fulgrim is coming back, I'm 90% sure we're getting one like Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle have gotten so far.

I hold out hope that we may even get a plastic Sonic Dread out of this with that release, too.
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>>53596331
Daemonettes have always been viable, just not miracle worker OP bullshit.
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>>53596531

Hellflayers have consistently fucked shit up for me when I get them to the enemy alive
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