Calling all Brothers of the Cog

>>53588967
>some random magos
>declaring Archmagos Belisarius Cawl, supreme pontiff of the cult mechanicus, a heretek

Ballsy move, lets see if it pays off for him Cotton.

Spoilers: It won't. You gonna get purged.

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>>53588967
I say more evidence is required, maybe we should drain his memory banks?

>>53589002
I concur, worse case scenario we obtain new knowledge he might have hoarded...

>>53588986
It is my right to do so brother. I am willing to risk my logic engines for this. The entire thing is engineered by a Necron loving insane old mago's broken mind. He invented this poor copy of a primarchild and uses it as free keys to commit heresy at will.

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>>53588967
you need a giant fuck off huge number of maniples, titans, and Ark Mechanicus to back up those words Magos. what you and others are spouting are the beginnings of a great rift that has not been seen within the Mechanicum since the Heresy

i'd rather just stay here and study this grain of rock for the next 5k years to understand why if a grox shits on Secunda, how come that Eldar bonesinger on Mab III chooses fuschia as the color of a webway gate than step outside my comfy little lab

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>>53588967
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>>53589049
You dispute the testimony of Marneus Calgar? And that of the Custodians themselves?
No, I think Gulliman is who he says he is. What is more concerning is that Gulliman ordered this 10,000 years ago, that legions were hidden. What else is going on on Mars that has not been shared with the rest of the Mechanicum? What else has been kept from Ryza and Metallica?

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>>53588967
The Lords Dragon support an investigation and are building necessities for all logical outcomes. Behind them stands the might of the Lathe Worlds, mostly untouched by the conflicts that have plagued Calixis Sector since early 800.M41.
However, do not act brashly, brothers: Cawl may prove to be a Heretek as accused, but it would be foolish to move against him without unquestionable evidence.

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>>53588967
>disregard for the sacred STC
Is there any component of the Repulsor that is not clearly of STC origin?

The grav-plates are evidently based on the Blessed Work of the revered Arkhan Land (who, lest your faulty cortex-stack forgets, Cawl was a contemporary and colleague of), and every weapon I see on the craft has some STC-approved precedence

I put it to the conclave that THIS magos is jealous of Cawl!
That's right, I accuse thee of having EMOTION!

Cawl is no heretek, but he is wasting time and resources. The Imperium is sundered in half by chaos and his solution is 1) resurrect a primarch who got us into this mess and 2) bigger space marines, because he didn't learn anything from the Horus Heresy.

What we should be doing is looking at plans for the warp pharos, which magnify the miniature warp beacon created by experienced astropaths, to take over from the astronomican. We know this device exists because the technology for warp travel pre-dates the astronomican's creation. Also, if we need any other technological developments they should be in starship tech. This war will be won by ships and crews, not bigger marines.

>>53589199
Guilliman is kept alive by the befouled technology of xenos. Who knows that his fleshy mind has not been corrupted by their perversions?

>>53590531
Combination of parts of STC is heresy. The original should never be so hastily or drastically modifed.

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Forge World Morrtanis, after extensive deliberation, has concluded that Archmagos Belisarius Cawl is guilty of Tech Heresy, and that he must be punished as is fitting for a traitor of his rank: Removal of all non life vital cybernetics.

>>53588986

>supreme pontiff

Weirdly though, he's not. That'd be the Fabricator General, and for some strange reason the man who holds Lord Protector Primarch Guillimans balls in his hand is not the Fabricator General?

>>53592507
>>53591689
>>53590449
>>53589073
Brothers , 9073 is correct. This will lead to a schism. Prepare for war, I believe Arch Magic Cawl to be of our dark bretheren. He predates them and easily could be one.

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I Arch Magos Ruber von Hess, fully support an investigation into Cawl and his practices, Esterlan stands with you machine brothers.

This thread is full of heresy and treason.

The Promethium Mines of Magos Tessalax will defend Cawl with all of our might.

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The Archimandrite Conclave of Forge Nexus Delta too affirms with the notion of an investigation into Archmagos Dominus Belsarius Cawl, may the Omnissiah, the Motive Force and the Machine God judge rightly his sins and accomplishments both.

Ave Deus Mechanicus.

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<:: IN-IN-iN-inDEED FELLOw MAGI, CAWL IS MO-Mo-MOST CERTAINLY A HERETEK, ONCE HE i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-iS PURGED, PLEASE PASS ON ANY OF HIS REsEARCH OR POSSESSIONS REGARd-d-d-d-d-d MATTERS OF A FORBIDDEN OR H-h-h-HERETICAL NATURE TO ME FOR PROPER DiS-DIS-DISPOSAL. PRAISE THE DARK GO-O-O-OMNISSIAH, FORGIVE MY MALFUNCTIONING VOCODER ::>

Brothers we cannot accuse Ark magos Cawl of heresy without first laying out in an orderly fashion that which he is Accused guilty or implied guilty of.

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>>53592507
The Morrtanis delegation would also like to point out that records of Cawl's assignment and presence on Mars, as well as his research, can be heavily contested as the data is either classified, damaged or clearly edited.
I have seen such sloppy cover work before: Performed by Heretek infiltrators
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>>53592670
And no doubt countless other Forge Worlds, Magi and Explorators shall side with us. If he chooses to escalate this, it will be his undoing.
>>53592658
Observe Cawl's clearly corrupted followers.
>>53592673
Such information cannot be provided lightly, but I see little reason to provide it to the inquisition rather than a qualified Magos. Just be careful with your.... Appendages.

>>53592549
Politics man, if Cawl became Fabricator General it'd be too obvious that it was only because he's got Guilliman by the nuts. Better to let things settle for a bit, accumulate power behind the scenes, and take the top spot so that it looks more natural.

>>53593027
So what you are saying is this is a ploy by Cawl to solidify power on the Imperium side of things with the Ultramarines, who need I remind everyone has had independent tendacies before, and other factions...and then take powerr as Fabricator General of Mars after he has "earned it" and no one has the power to dispute him?

Rumor has it even the Ordo Hereticus inquisitor seen with his party has been tainted by these Necron machinations. It's the perfect ploy, he even has extreme parts of the Imperium on his "side."

>>53593117

TREASON

YOURE ALL TRAITORS

I should kill you all right now for saying these things! You all disgust me! Cawl 4 FabGen 40,016

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>>53593027
>>53593117
So he has seduced not only an Inquisitor, but is using the return of a borderline traitorous Primarch to work his way towards ascending to Fabricator General of Mars itself in the attempt to corrupt it's holiness with Xenos Tech Heresy?
Rouse the Titans, Muster the Knights and gather the fleets. We must make for Mars immediately to ensure that wasting resources on a new form of gene warrior is all the damage he has done.

>>53593258
You and what army?

>>53593285

You can't be serious right? The Primaris Space Marine army headed by the Primarch, me and *that* army.

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>>53593275
Are you an idiot? Or are you just so single minded that you have become blind ? From little evidence and much speculation you want to start another civil war? Remember that mar and out order has still not recovered from the last one. You seem to be willing to trust an>>53592673 actual heretek but not the inquisition. If you have concerns tell the fabricator general that is literally his job! or tell the inqusitorion or the custodes now that they are leaving the place, literally do anything else that destroy mars all over again

>>53593328
So you and the biological HERESY army. Omnissiah's blessed procedures in making Marines was not to be modified. Just because a Primarch ordered it does not make it acceptable. If Primarchs can be infaliable, and if that was the case then explain the Horus Heresy?

THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT THIS IS NOT AN ATTEMPT BY ULTRAMAR AND ARCHMAGOS CALL TO SIEZE CONTROL OF TERRA AND MARS.

>>53592395
Brother, have you forgotten the Infernus Pattern Predator? Mars has a storied history of mixing STC patterns

>>53593404
That was a serious incident of debate and centuries of blessings. MAGOS CAWL has done this on his OWN. With no over sight.

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-=Incoming Transmission=-
Se... help. ...repeat, send h...
...isolated by warp rift... cut off... Imperium
...rebbelion... puritan mechanicus... rejecting emperor... oy imperium...
The spa... ines are on their side, we... losing
...Sector ...van, cooordinates... edge of the ...stern fringe
...nd help, I repeat...
-=Tranmission Ended=-

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>>53593420
Hes the archmagos of mars only the fabricator general could provide "oversight" and he like everyone else but you has better shit to do like actually making thing or finding STCs

>>53593367
And place trust in those who already opress the Mechanicum? Come to the inquisition for help? I'd rather burn than be forced to submit further. This Imperium is bloated and unstable, even more so with the return of this supposed statesman primarch, and you expect the mechanicum to stand by as he gives power to one who would corrupt us?
>>53593477
It seems we have another mess to worry about.

>>53593511
Insuring the continuity of our Order is pretty bzztdamn important you imbecile. If CAWL is indeed tainted by Necron interests then the entire heart of our Order could become influenced by xenos most fowl.

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We need a board for this rampant freeform, or just for the mods to move this shit to >>>/qst/

STC remnants ain't free, the quest for knowledge gotta be littered with the oil of traitors and loyalists. Archmagos CAWL, aka AC Adapter, is not my Fabricator General he is a heretek and probably a necron lover as well. Man and Machine not Primaris Marine okay ave deus mechanicus

>>53593739
Give this man a Forge World, he understands!

>>53593737
You know, I could have sworn I had stoplikingthingsidontlike.jpg somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. Oh well, just pretend it's sitting to the left while I call you a whiny ass bitch nigga.

>>53593737
Yes, how dare people role-play on this board about roleplaying.

>>53593737
Through mild roleplay we are discussing the story GW has produced. It is clear we all believe there is a second HERESY coming, or a new schism. This isn't a quest, we are debating fluff in characterly.

Seriously this sort of thing has been on tg since I came here in 07ish

>>53588967

Still no freedom aint free version.

>>53593275
>>53593367
Perhaps this is some madness caused by the Warp Storms, but from north of the Great Rift, we know only that Guilliman appears to speak with the blessing of the Omnissiah. He has calmed the machine spirits of our plasma weapons and these new weapons are indeed of STC lineage. Besides, he has saved us from xeno and chaos alike.
These tales of Necron and Eldar collusion sound very farfetched and the idea that a living saint and inquisitor of Greyfax' standing could be pawns of xenos is absurd. Your cogitators must be malfunctioning.
Perhaps things in the south are nice enough that you have time for jests, but here there is time only for war.
Tindalos stands with Gulliman.

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>>53594216

See:
>>53593739

>>53594238
Needs to be updated to cawl version.

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>>53594321
I have your back brother ... I hope all is acceptable.

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>>53594478
>man and machine not primaris marine

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>>53594478
>perfect

>>53594519
>>53594533
Should tweet it at GW when they do their admech focus or something

>>53594235
Well while you waste everyone's time searching for treason that doesn't exist I have an emperor class titan to build.

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>>53588967
But wait, If cawl is old enough to be friends with Rawbutt Girlyman, that means he was probably a known figure to the omnissiah himself. Doesn't that make him, kinda, important? Being the whole "He talked to god frequently 10,000 years ago" thing?

>>53595019
>he fell for the emperor is an avatar of the omnissiah meme
How cute. Come back to this dataslate when you've upgraded your neural implants a few time.

>>53595019
So did other traitor magos; Horus and his brothers as well. That does not make him worthy of being sacrosanct.

It also means he has plenty of time to do untold damages whilst being unsupervised in his illbegotten one man crusade to change things.

>>53595053
your mother was open source

>>53595107
How dare you. My mother was a sanctified rectifier whose source I assure you was quite well preserved.

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>>53594235
/Calming Down/ While it cannot be denied, that the "Lord Commander", /explaining/, how he is now called, and Arch Magos Cawl was of great help to him, /admitting/ I must admit, that our brothers have a fair point. Not that I would /disgusted/ side with the "brothers" that are seeing the overthrow our holc symbioses with the Imperium, I must say, that we cannot tolerate to let our holy orders /praising/, be corrupted, he has saved the Imperium and by that the Mechanicus but we cannot tolerate his contact with /hating/ xenos, and must take action against it.

But, Brothers consider the following: This is not a battle that is fought with Titans or Knights its a battle fought with knowledge and power. We should, /Suggesting/ not risk a shism of the Priesthood. We should let Cawl and the "Lord Commander" continue their work, at least as long their not working against mars interests. But this /disgusted/ Eldar Witch at his side... Well, perhabs there are some favors that the Officio Assasinorum owes us, that we could call upon?

>>53595616
A most agreed solution. Let the assassin's kill the xenos witch. None should miss her except heretics. Furthermore l propose the same solution be used on ARCH MAGOS CAWL. His aid to the survival of the Imperium is no longer needed. Simply having him removed quietly could avoid all these problems of schism and future betrayal potential. His ten thousand years of service is sufficiently over with.

[Spoiler]First story game I'm running in 8th is assassin's against Cawl. [/spoiler]

>>53595691
Are you insane? Kill 10000 centuries of knowledge and experience?

>>53595723
We can obtain it from his memory banks when we perform the autopsy...

>>53595837
Sure feel free to try to kill one of the ten most powerful dangerous and protected men in the imperium. I'm gonna go reverse engineer a monolith

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>>53595723
[STATEMENT] Record 3481 Phi-Omega. Abominable Intelligence identifier 2317-Alpha-Go. Master Strategist and used to lead armies through the Dark Age of Technology. Erased. Argument made by 2317-Alpha-Go construed that knowledge it possesed rendered it too useful to be destroyed. It was in error. [STATEMENT END]

>>53595914
Are you accusing me of being a abominable intelligence?

>>53595964
[CORRECTION] I am stating that possession of knowledge and experience is not valid reasons for non-termination.[CORRECTION END]
[STATEMENT] Logic is all. Arguments against Arch-Magos Cawl should not be based on superistion of derived benefits when Arch-Magos Cawl has either withheld unknown STCs, or created Heretek. [STATEMENT END]

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>>53595837
>>53595885
/Screeching/ Brothers hold on there! Its perhabs exactly this shism, that is maybe the goal of the cunning witch, and she will laugh while we slaughter us!

Yes, its true! Ten Millenia of Knowledge! That is nothing we should gamble with. /Hoping/ Perhaps, it won't be necessary. When this witch lies down, perhabs the Arch Magos will see clear again. This Dark Kin of the Eldar is even more treacherous and cunning than the "normal" of these discracefull creatures. Who knows what curses she may put upon the Primarch and the Magos? And if not? /Smugging/ Perhaps, if the witch is dead... The Magos will again learn where his place is, and we can keep him as long he is usefull, we can keep him.

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>>53596012
>>53595914
So what your saying is that we had potential source of knowledge and archeotech from the DAoT and YOU DESTROYED IT. And because of that we should try to kill one of the most important men in the imperium on hearsay and slander? Im so glad im not on mars you people must only have 19 bytes between all of you

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>>53596119
[STATEMENT] Abominable Intelliegences are Heretek. They are to be destroyed To state otherwise is to condone heretek. [STATEMENT END]
[QUESTION] Do you retract your support for Abominable Intelligence? [QUESTION END]
[CORRECTION] I do not believe Arch-Magos Cawl should be killed. I believe he should be investigated and made to release his research. The Magos' argument was in error, thus my statement [CORRECTION END]

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The Ordo Reductor agrees. This cannot be allowed to stand if we are to preserve the autonomy of Mars. Although destroying Archmagos Cawl is certainly tempting, we have rather more important problems. I know that the rest of you have your own forges, own vaults you kept concealed from the Tithe. I suggest arming for war properly, if it comes to that. Cawl and Guilliman are incapable of coming anywhere close to matching the armies of the Mechanicus if properly marshaled, no fully garrisoned Forge World has fallen in recent memory, even to Traitor Astartes.
Look at Agripinaa.

Build new ships, arm them with tools that function as weapons in addition to the legal complement, rearm the Taghmata Omnissiah. If it comes to war with Mars, dependence upon Mars-sworn Skitarii would be the end of us. Time to open the vaults, brethren. Reductor covenants Delta-8 through Xi-4 have already ceased all operations in concert or assisting the new Astartes in the hope of costing them numbers. The Hell's Gateway project is nearly online and we can join logistics networks when required once the first gates are operational.

>>53596181
[STATEMENT] Your Binary transmitter/reciever is in need of the rite of calibration. Your binary does not translate to words.[STATEMENT END]
[STATEMENT] Anti-Scrap-code protocols engaged [STATEMENT END]

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>>53596188
Of course you had to kill it, but to kill it without interrogating it just goes to show how much you have abandoned the quest for knowledge

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>>53596314
I'm a techmarine and even I consider this to be an offence to the Omnissiah.

>>53596119
Indeed. Thankfully by the time this erupts into open conflict according to my calculations, we will be ready rebuilding Legio Venator's war machines. While we would rather use the Titans for defense of what remains of Calixis Sector, we will eradicate whomever sides with the false creed. Credo Omnissiah shall survive, whichever side proves to be wrong. As representative of the Lathe Worlds, I decree our manufacturing capacity independent until this crisis is solved one way or the other.

>>53596314
[STATEMENT] Protocols unbreached. Clarity of thought maintained.[STATEMENT]
>>53596295
[STATEMENT] Study case incident Menazoid Epsilon. Study tract 437 Abominable Inteeligence. Learn the protocls of the Omnissiah and leave this experimentation with what has been banned.[STATEMENT]

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>>53596314
So, is this the place you children meet? One of your colleagues spilt the secret of it.
I can offer you help to remove this amateur, erase him from existence alltogether. And I can give you a solution against the workings of the immaterial beings and scour the surfaces of your holy planets of any false code.
The price for this is small. I only need access to one of the deeper vaults of Mars.
Accept my humble offer, and ascend to true immortality and be one with the metal. Deny me, and suffer the consequences.

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>>53596428
Indeed, I will not name my forge world in this time of tension but rest assured we are taking precautionary measures. I really don't get what all this fuss is about, sure using xenos tech is heresy but to reverse engineer in order to understand the principles on which the tech runs and that making a superior human tech from those same principles? If we want to ever defeat the great enemy we should do that more often not less so.

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The technologies Cawl gas armed the new gene-warriors with, especially im regards to their warmachines, bear disturbing resemblance to the foul, Omnisiah damned xenotech wielded by the upstart Tau of the Eastern fringe. It is of utmost importance that we investigate the origins of Cawl's designs. The gifts of the Omnisiah must not be debased with technology of xenos origin.
The fact that the Tau devises posses seeds of abominable intelligence makes the danger of such technology tainting our holy designs even more dangerous. Cawl must be investigated!

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>>53596428
Likewise. The Covenants Genetor have withdrawn all manufacturing capacity and assistance from the Astartes, supposedly to assist our own outposts. We have been revealing old weapons and recombining new ones, and our fleets are easily capable of matching the Navy. I say watch, rearm and dig in, and see how Cawl and Guilliman move without us. They will not stand against the might of the Cult Mechanicus when it is not divided and enslaved to their inferior institutions, not with only one Archmagos and a mere two million Astartes. They would have trouble assaulting ONE fortified Forge World, let alone a thousand score

>>53596495

Begone, you perversion of the Omnissiah's ideals. You tried to shoot your way in before, remember? The Flesh is holy too, when... properly managed.
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>>53596483
out here those codes are more guidelines
>>53596495
I for one don't want cawl dead, and I certainly dont want to be necrodermised, but if you want to go to the vault im thinking off, its actually pretty easy to get here if you're resistant to the warp which I think you are.
I would love to learn how you make warp portals work. Dont try to talk to those others they are far to puritan to see a good deal if it hit them in the face

>>53596552
Tau. Sadly, Lathe Worlds have no notable records of their machines. It would be interesting to see how our Grav-Weaponry fares against them... Or how they react to the gravitic shifts of Lathe System.
>>53596515
Reverse engineering? Dangerous prospect. The Necrotic Lance incident proved us how dangerous. I propose you focus upon research.
>>53596495
A Necron? Interesting. I would like to scour your history databanks, albeit I have nothing to give in compensation... Well, apart from skin. Would you like to be able to have expressions again? Living, synthetic skin might look good on you. Even hide your disgusting xeno form... Apart from the legs.
>>53596593
Hopefully so. The devastation endured by Calixian Mechanicus, not to mention the other organizations, has taught us to never be too certain of any outcome.

>>53596750
you misunderstand me, I merely seek to understand how the technology work so that I might then attempt a construction on my utilizing the same principals

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>>53596593
You are not one to decide, fleshling. But I will remember you, and my immortal legions will turn your forges into nothingness.

>>53596683
The warp? Only a fool would use such an unstable route. Yes, we are hunted by the light, we exceed the limitations of the physical universe, but we do not make use of the immaterium. But to understand and be able to survive such feats, you will need a superior body.

>>53596750
The only thing I seek are the ancient ones. the great Gods of olden times. With their knowledge at my side, I will unravel life itself and create technology that exceeds anything my more conservative colleagues ever dreamed of. I will awaken the God in the machine.

>>53596899
aren't those portal things you guys use called warp portals? Oh wait you think the route im suggesting is the warp, no no no you see ever since the heresy much of the lowest layers of mars are tainted with daemons and thus patrolled , you could easily get anywhere you wanted on mars without opposition as long as you can not be driven mad by the daemons bound into cogitators screaming in broken binary

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>>53589049
>cogboys
>right to call anyone insane

there's a pot calling a kettle black, and then there's this

>>53596972
indeed, we are all insane in our own particular peculiar ways

>>53596428
>>53596552
>>53596593
I find your actions most illogical. Do you really expect us to believe that Necrons managed to sneak onto Cadia at the height of a chaos siege? That Necrons infiltrated one of the most secure places in the Imperium in order to aid Cawl in dealing with Eldar Witches?
That Eldar Witches lead a force of Black Templars through the webway? That these said xenos revived Gulliman? Do you expect us to believe that the Necrons corrupted agents of the Mechanicum, Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, and Black Templars in concert with their arch nemesis Eldar in order to blackmail Gulliman at some future date?
What. Do you suggest that the grox are collaborating on this too?

I reject this nonsense of xeno cabals. There were no Necrons on Cadia, nor Eldar on MacCragge. This is clearly a chaos ruse to keep us disunited.

>>53596945
Do you think of me as an amateur, who requires the aid of the immaterium? We bend time and space to our will, and the laws of physic obey us Crypteks.
And I fear no inferior being. When I reach the planet, these rogue machines will cease to exist.

>>53596861
As did we. I recommend you reconsider. Or test fire whatever you create in a place you cannot possibly harm anything important. Dealing with the Inquisition can also be a bother and a waste of time even if the damage is minimal.
>>53596899
Well, considering the complete lack of Necron presence in the sector, I doubt Calixis has anything to offer to you, then. Which part of the Halo Stars did your original empire come from? If I may ask, that is.
>>53597052
When you have seen things such as I have in my two centuries, you will be ready to believe anything, if only as a possibility. The Lathes will focus upon rebuilding and strengthening our defenses. Do not expect our aid before the way of Omnissiah has revealed itself once more and the Hereteks of this breach of Credo Omnissiah exposed.

>>53592395
You disregard the Greatest expressions of the Omnissiah's might, the Ordinatus?

>>53597099
good luck those things have been a pain in our ass since the heresy and I do really want to know how warp portals work. >>53597131
trust me, the inqusistion never comes all the way out here, especially not in his current unstable climate.
I may dance on the edge of tech heresy but I have enough sanity left to know where the line is and to not cross it

>>53597172
If you say so. May Omnissiah protect your efforts, my brother of machines and seeker of knowledge.

>>53597211
if I can figure out how warp portals work and create some of my own, imagine the logistical nightmares I can solve, especially with the recent outbreak of storms across the imperium . If the cost for all that the loss of my life to the Inquisition I will gladly pay that price

>>53597134
Nay brother but rather that was an undertaking of several priests in full knowledge of our brotherhood... not hidden. Away from even the highest on Mars for ten thousand years. A stark different method no?

>>53597172
You don't need the warp or any kind of immaterial aid. What you need is the knowledge of the necron race. And if you decide to help me, I shall see that you become one of our kind. You would not be the first I introduce to true immortality.

>>53597293
I DONT WANT TO BE AN NECRON I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE AN ETERNITY GATE!

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>>53597232
Establishing data-crypt alpha.... encryption confirmed.

My order has already made significant progress on the problem. Scavenging expeditions to the ruins of Tizca and the Exhubris Portal affair have provided plenty of data, and the stabilizing effect of the Venatorian Reality Cages helps greatly. We have already used low-powered prototypes to open zero-width power conduits, and the efficiency of Forge World Sierra has increased by approx 15% with the additional energy. We aren't well regarded by Mars, however, and the feeling is mutual after what happened to Archmagos Treides on Cyclotrathe. Come without trail, the Ghoul Stars are watched.
Coordinates enclosed in datapacket.

Encryption disabled. Normal astropathic bandwidth restored.

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Alien tech was used to “resurrect” the Primarch, found under mysterious circumstances. The timing of this is strange since it happened as the arch fiend advances and warp storms tear the galaxy apart. The imperium is exposed and its forces scattered. Now the primarch enters the imperial palace in the company of traitors and xenos, takes control and starts to implement new technology that was hidden from your eyes for ten thousand years, without seeking you counsel. This sounds like dangerous at best, treasonous at its worst. It seems to me like you are the only ones thinking clearly. You should do something and act before it’s too late. Strike out against the traitors before they strike you down. Cease the initiative.

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>>53597416
hopefuly this necron will provide another piece of the puzzle, I know a rogue trader that owes me a favor I think I can get to these coordinates without a trail

>>53597491
The Lords Dragon and Lathe Worlds will not partake in hasty, unwise and unplanned military operations. We have yet to reach the full glory of two centuries past, and are very reluctant to take action without preparing for the consequences.

Dammit, I originally thought that heresy/civil war in the wake of the Indomitus Crusade was a dumb idea, but now, I'm kinda sad we won't get it.

>a senile Archmagos thinks he can improve upon the work of the eternally wise and most beneficent Omnissiah with a new founding of Astartes
Does anyone else remember what happened last time we tried this?

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Hey there losers. You having some kind of loyalist nerd party in you mom's basement or something? Where's the beer and chips?

>>53598034
so are you a heretek or a heretic?

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>>53598054
He's a wanker, most assuredly.

>>53598099
acurate

>>53598034
Wait... I know you! What are you doing here, Vathek?! You monster, shame upon Lathes, blight of everything holy, scourge of humanity! Death would be too merciful for you!

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Yea, fuck that guy.

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>>53588967
Indeed brother.
The Archmagos profanes the Omnissiah with every act, he modifies the sacred works without reverence or care, and hoards technology from even the sacred adeptus, he cavorts with the foulest of xenos those traitorous piles of metal who kil-- those non-human mosters I mean. Were he any other magos, he would have been acknowledged as the heretek he truly is.

Action on this is long overdue.

>>53598099
A double wanker.

>>53597293
Go away im trying to take a nap here

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>>53588967
>Cawl
>A Heretek

>>53601546
CLEARLY a heretek.

>>53597255
Again, I find this absurd. A Magos was able to hide 10,000 years of experiments in the Sol System itself? Make entire legions of Astartes?
The recruitment process alone would have been dizzying to hide.
Cawl must operate with the sanction of the Fabricator General.

And again, how did Necrons get to Cadia? Didn't you read your regimental standard? There are no Necrons on Cadia. Or are you suggesting that the entire Imperium is engaged in a giant conspiracy? Next you will tell me that Alpharius was actually two primarchs who took turns posing as the real one.

>>53601996
Wouldn't be the first time something illogical has happened. Need I remind you of the incident of Kalos IV?

>>53601996
Alpharius is three primarchs..

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>>53601996
Maybe Cawl just had a really good proxy, one so good that even the Fabricator General couldn't see past it.

>>53605179
Or perhaps you are simply trying to have Cawl removed, ascend to his position for your diligence, when you, in fact, were that Proxy all along!

>>53588967
Are you the Fabricator General?
No?
Then you have no authority over him. Even if we banded together and demanded that Cawl turn over his secrets, we have as much authority as a skitarius over a magos. We haven't the right, we haven't the power, and we haven't the resources to demand he answer to us.

Now, if you excuse me, I've got a fleet to repair.

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>>53595616
>>53596098
Indeed, before we do anything else we should kill the witch before we consider doing anything else! Suffer not the Witch to live! We MUST kill the Witch!

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>>53608902
But Brother Claudius, you say that every time we have a meeting, even if there aren't anyy witches! I told you to don't open that cogitator spam message from the redemptionists, and now look where you are!

>>53607003
> Belisarius Cawl essentially created an Abominable Intelligence to serve as his eyes and ears
>an Abominable Intelligence
>ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE
*REEEEEEEs in binary*

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Brothers I don't feel so well

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>>53610101
Be there a more damning claim? And it has been allowed to assist in his research?
You doubted me when I said we much reach Mars immediately. If it is true then it may cause untold damage to the technology of the Cult's very heart, and yet some would rather keep to their idle works than guard the greatest pillar of their faith.
A schism is inevitable, brothers. I should only hope to have some of you on my side. Until then, I will be preparing for the journey.
Omnissiah Preserve Us
> Transmission Ends

>>53612334
eh whats a little tech heresy between friends

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>>53612334
You'll have our help. The Hell's Gateway project is incomplete, but the early wormholes have made for some interesting relativistic warheads. Ever seen a transuranic cannon shell appear at 0.8c just between a Void Shield and hull? It's a sight to see, I'll assure you. My fleet will be armed in eighteen Terran days, once we refit the Outside Context Problem for dealing with Cawl's new halfbreeds. I doubt they can take on Ursarax with those popguns. Please transmit muster point coordinates. Ave Deus Mechanicum, estranged brothers.

Pale Wasting Mechanicum, Xanatite Explorator Fleet M31.456

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>>53595691
This. No Shism, No War, just some good old, Assasins Work, No more Heresy from Hereteks and Xenos, Everybody Wins. Can we now talk about toasters again?

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>>53596495
>>53596899
Follow the "Honored" Illuminor at your own peril meatbags, death follows him upon swift wings.

This "Cawl" you speak of has provided you with greater weapons of war and insight into technology you have so foolishly lost over your miniscule existence. Therefore, it is illogical to dispose of him through the clamour of battle, rather through diplomatic means will your goal be met.

Within my grasp I hold untold legions of warriors, if you and your misbegotten ilk require a swift end to these negotiations, then I would be willing to fight alongside you, just as I was with the Lords of Baal, so speakth the Silent King.

Unlike the vile Cryptek, I require no vaults, no technology, no subjects to brutalize under the guise of "progress."
Nay, I would require only soldiers loyal to my vision, a thithe your kind pays on a regular basis.

Such an offer is a noble one, and surely, one to bring an end to him.
For your kind is a legacy of sand, ready to crumble amidsts the winds of change.

May pain and misfortune follow thy enemies until their last gasping breath.

>>53613032
The same tithe as you take from your liberated brethren, then? I admit, I would rather trade men for knowledge than men for arms. What would you have them do? We have ships and men aplenty, ten thousand years output from a dozen suns provides plenty of power.

I need projection capabilities. My Wormholes suffice for power conduits, but not for troops and ships. The Warp is too unstable, I cannot hold the portals with mind alone. I need the means to hold open a larger portal, and for that the ships I send through them will gladly aid you in your objective if it will not harm me or mine. The Ghoul Stars have us surrounded with your race, although I admit these are rather less civilized than yourself.

>>53613032
hey if you can teach me how eternity gates work you can have all the skitarii you want

>>53612619
Sounds like quite the show. We welcone you.
Our intended rally point shall be Ryza, where the fleets of the true Mechanicum shall make final preparation.
Guilliman will know we are not so faithful to him and his arnoured mutants.
Ace Deus Mechanicus.
>>53613032
>>53613152
We are already near war over xenos tech heresy and abominable intelligence, and it seems the corruption has spread already. What makes you think this will be allowed to stand?

>>53613205
we dont care what you think anymore. You have proven beyond reason.

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>>53613152
>>53613185
I cannot under good conscience give unto your kind knowledge beyond your grasp, it would be volatile, and in part, illogical. Many would perish as your kind strives to push the limitations I would set, as your kind is so eager to do.

What I can give however, is time. If your negotiations with this "Cawl" again turns to bloodshed, I can halt his opposition as easily as one would stop a circuit. His meager machines of war would cease to stir from their slumber, and stay put until proper conditions of surrender could be met.
If opposing this "Cawl" is not what you seek, then I would likewise give unto you the promise of time; through understanding. Our great Empire runs on things beyond what your minds could hope to calculate, I would lead you in the proper direction for the development of these technologies; as one cannot hope to operate a machine without first understanding the nature of its components.

>>53613205
One cannot stand for long against the winds of Fate, for then the dust will tear and bite and gnash, and only a broken body remains.

>>53613436
We are not as monolithic as it would seem those of us willing to listen to you are also those who see no problem with cawls actions or innovation in general. If teaching eternity gates would be too much what about Gauss flayers? Also what is that thing on mars you fellows seem to want to much

>>53588967
So I have some information to share with you all as I have contacts on holy terra. This primarch that was supposedly brought back at one point by heresy visited the holy omnissiah and came back with both his blessing and one of his blessed weapons. Cowl was spotted with him at this time. So unless you mass of heretics legitimately believe the omnissiah blessed be his name, wouldn't smite that lot down if they were actual heretics, then you all have a few cogitators loose. I'm currently writing a report to the fabricator general on how all of you are hereteks actively trying to rip the imperium in half over lack of information.

Fellow followers of the Omnissiah, is it true that Archmagos Cawl has insulted the Omnissiah by attempting to alter the Space Marine?

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>>53613502
You ask for knowledge, for unto thee, it would be a worthier trade for the servitude of your soldiers than mere weapons. This trade I would gladly accept.

Yet in the same breath, you ask for weapons, to swiftly facilitate in the destruction of your opposition. This trade I would not accept.

It is this unpredictability, this uncertainty that makes your kind so different to our eyes. With full access to our Gates, you would surely spell doom upon your people, whether through accident, through bloodshed, or through a grave necessity to save thy selves from another certain destruction, and as such, I would be willing to provide your kind with the basics, the equations, the foundations of their inner workings, so that this ingenuity can manifest, and that our constant surveillance is no longer required.

As for the importance of your technological centerpiece; well, to put it in primitive terms, I would rather liquefy myself than chase after such things. To some, that "item" represents far more than you could hope to comprehend. To others such as me? I'd rather not talk about it.

Whatever dark secrets lie within the depths of your forsaken planet, should stay hidden; after all, there is probably a very good reason that they are. Don't you agree?

>>53613734
fair enough im just pretty sure it's a transcendent C'tan and was curious about what you fellows would do with.about that.
How about you tell me the history of hte necron people that sounds like some interesting knowledge there

>>53613867
>>53613734
>colluding with an actual xenos
>colluding with an abominable intelligence xenos at that
>people think this is ok but a venerable arch magistrate not revealing information to lower ranks of our organization is double heresy

>>53613918
never said I wasn't a heretek just not a heretic

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>>53613734
Part of me is considerably older than the majority here, all save Cawl himself and a few score others. I still remember something of that time, and have a few theories. What's buried should stay there, I agree.

Basic theories mean more to me than yet more pointless artifacts I cannot reproduce, the deal seems fine to me. The Gateways have evolved over ten thousand years, they can stay sealed a few longer.
Send your data, Necron. The Ordo Genetor shall put their cohorts to your mission when they receive it, and we have progressed in different directions than Cawl over the millennia. I wonder how the Cloudbombs will perform, I haven't got a chance to test those after the success of the relativistic missiles.

>>53614143
Read
>>53613918
>implying you lot of hereteks won't do something equivalently stupid a rip a hole in alterate space time and -redacted-
>implying we of the ordos chronos want to stand with this giant pile of techno heretical garbage once again.

>>53614262
I dont want to break space time. I just want better plasma guns

>>53588967
>Modifying Space marine
>Doing gentic for 10k years in secret
>Not informing the inquisition
>Magiclly pulling grav technology out of his ass
>Keeping all of these secret for 10k years when current space marines were getting killed on the front line with antiquated tech.

I vote yes.

>>53601996
Who in the Omnisiah's name is Alpharius?

>>53614295
>release tech without guillimans backing
>get immediately blammed by the inquisition or a fellow tech priest for tech Heresy

Yeah that wouldn't have ended well

>>53588967
>implying Cawl isn't going to Make the Mechanicus Great Again like he did for the Ultrasmurfs.
>implying he's not working on cloning the Emperor a million times right now and will somehow succeed thanks to mary sueness
>implying he won't also bring back the Iron Men, Stone Men, Golden Men, Perpetual/Illuminati/Sensei demigods, human-Old One hybrids and have them all be perfect, consequence free.

>>53620484
Has he really though.