/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General - When Rhinos Fly Edition

word bearers a shit

>>53587057
Fuck worstbearers.
sincerely,
-Warmaster's own

The Thousand Sons did nothing wrong
Magnus did everything wrong, holy shit what a colossal fuck up

magnus did literally nothing wrong

>>53587248
Magnus did several things wrong

Valdor should've stopped Russ

Canis Vertex did nothing wrong

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Anons, is there a relatively downplayed bit of your faction that you'd like to see more?
Like, sure DG are resilient but they were also known for carrying mean big blades.
Say what you will but 8E gave chainswords a reason to exist over "I was too poor to afford big boy power weapons". Imagine 20 Tacticals with rad grenades: Deathguard with rad knives.

>>53587241
Speaking of the man who did everything wrong, when's The Crimson King out again?

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What do you guys think of these as stand ins for Custodes? Would you still play against them?

>>53587537
I like them better than the actual custard models so that cool. Any new info on the 3 Sicaran variants they are making?

>>53587537
Personally, yes, there's absolutely no confusion about what they're supposed to represent, but you might have trouble in a GW or at any official event.

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The Caladius annihilator turret looks so good Fuck

>>53587942
Holy cow, is that an extremely lucky case or FW finally learn to quality control?

>>53587993

All the fresh runs of their new kits look that good. It's when the sculpt is extremely old or the kit has had quite a few runs that you start getting problems.

>FW finally learn to quality control?

I'm pretty sure the guys signing those quality control slips are actually just trained monkeys.

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>>53587537
They look a lot more true to the older illustrations, so I'd prefer playing against them myself.

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>>53587537
They look tiny, but sure, no problem. Not that the official models are all that expensive.

>>53587468
Space magic. Good for more than just making bikes go faster and mustaches grow longer.

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Starting work on the Hetaeron Squad and it's going to take forever.

I feel terrible. I was going to buy Crimson King to share with everyone, but then an unexpected bill came up. It's going to be a week before I can get some more money to buy it. So unless someone else shares (and frankly I'd rather I spent the money than anyone else) it'll be a week before I can buy it and share it with everyone. Very sorry everyone.

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>>53588275
Yeah I only want them because they look more like pic related

>Khan has Chogorian features
>Curze has Nostroman features
>Vulkan has Nocturnian features
How did the Emperor explain away this "coincidence"? They all match up with their planet. "Super accelerated Primarch evolution" or something?

>>53589012
Oh damn it's finally out?
No worries man, just knowing that you wanted to share it with everyone is pretty awesome.
My google-fu is failing me right now, but the chances of someone uploading it increases every day it's out

>>53589227

Primarch infants adapt to their environment, moron. Why the fuck do you think Mortarion survived.

>>53588959
Isn't it a little boring to paint 100 bananamen, Custodanon? The colour scheme is so basic and there's not much variation.

>>53589012
Don't worry about it senpai. If you are so tight for money I'm sure someone else will come along eventually.

>>53589273
>Why the fuck do you think Mortarion survived.
Because mortals could survive on Barbarus and Mortarion is a demigod?

>>53589227
DNA dictates not how you will be, but rather how you will react to your environment. Like sunspots, you develop traits when you are exposed to triggers.
Like Khan...turning mongol...in the mongol planet...
And then there's the chaos gods fucking things up just as planned. So it's both.
And what is Curze's genetic trait, anyway? He's just a scary superhobo. He'd fit in Cthonia just the same.

>>53589327
His perfect precognition and constant fear of the future letting him manipulate fear better than anyone-in a galaxy where most things dont feel fear

>>53589327
His trait is clairvoyance. He can see the future in his dreams, but more often than not it usually ends up with him seeing people's deaths or the horrible future that 30k becomes.

>>53589298
Not really. It only gets tedious with little details like spear trim and metal dotting.

I find it really cathartic

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>>53589411
>>53589405
Curze's precognition nightmares were faaaaar from perfect, and Sanguinius had prophetic dreams too. In fact he sees both his and the Emperor's death, chaos and tyranids, not to mention the guilt of his sons falling for the red thirst and fighting literal daemons, and braving the ruinstorm TWICE without going crazy.

>>53589440
Aaand on top of that being raised in radfuckistan, Baal, king of mutants and atomic sands.
Nothing was radioactive on Nostromo and it actually had mineral wealth.

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How did the SoH use these two different eye symbols? The elongated one is the legion symbol, but what was the circular one?

>>53589681
The Serpent's eye that was the Lodge/Warmasters personal icon.

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>>53589440
Are we really going to compare the Chadmarch to the shool shooter? Come on, that's not fair to either of them.

>>53589453
Eh, each planet had their own issues. Nostromo had mineral wealth and had actual cities, yes, but it was also Gotham City: 2edgy4me Edition. Society barely functioned under the sheer amount of violence and cruelty people visited on one another on an hourly basis. I mean, hell, Sevetar grew up living with a flock of flesh-eating crows that he'd feed with the corpses of people he killed. Curze only survived childhood by virtue of being the most dangerous creature on the planet. Riches don't mean much when your neighbor, wife, and the local pastor will gut you like a pig and hang you from the rafters for shits and giggles.

>>53589453
>raised by tribal people with goodness in their hearts to be virtuous and basically the golden hawkman we all have heart-boners for
>raised in a city of comic-book tier over-the-top vice where his choices were kill or rent out his boihole

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>>53589227
Jaghatai doesn't actually look very Mongolian except in how he wears his hair. He looks like a Hollywood rendition of a Mongol - basically a tanned Westerner, a Turk at most.

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>>53589681
The Raptor's Eye. Before being named Warrmaster, Cthonia and himself were associated to sneks despite being mother and brother to wolves respectively.
Before being First Among Equals, the Favoured Son was:
The Eye of Terra

>>53589320
>why do mortals adapt to Barbarus are they some sort of advanced mortal evolution or something

>>53589752
>He is -- may Scan anon forgive me for uttering this word -- a mustachoed Albanian

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>>53589724
>>53589737
B-but anons described Baal as Mad Max, with barely functioning societies and even more mutants. Are you saying Sanguinius never wore rags and bandoliers? I always liked to imagine his golden hair behind bullet-loaded straps and sand googles :'(

>>53589843
>liked to imagine his golden hair behind bullet-loaded straps and sand googles
And he would have looked FUCKING BEAUTIFUL with it too!

>>53587137
>>53587207
>>53587241
>>53587248
>>53587265
>>53587275
>>53587288
The Emperor was always right.

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>>53589915
>Imagine if, despite being refined by Imperial education, he always kept a spark of rad dweller within
I AM THE WINGS OF JUSTICE
CONDUCTOR OF THE CHOIR OF DEATH
SING, BROTHER AMIT!
SING, AZKAELLON!
SING, BROTHERS! SING! SIIINNG!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZllnptrzKOQ

I have the Dramatis personae of Crimson King:

Primarchs -
Magnus

Lorgar

Thousand Sons -
Ahzek Ahriman
Amon
Hathor Maat
Sobek
Menkaura
Sanakht
Tolbek
Ignis

Space Wolves -
Bodvar Bjarki, rune priest of tra

Svafnir Rackwulf, woe-maker of tra

Olgyr Widdowsyn, shield bearer

Gierlothnir Helblind, shield bearer

Harr Balegyr, Beserker

Imperial Personae
Malcador

Yasu Nagesena

Dio Promus, Knight Errant, former Chief Librarian of the Ultramarines

Antaka Cyvaan, former Raven Guard Librarian

Umwelt Uexkull, cybertheurgist, taghmata omnissia

Credence Araxe, Mechanicum Magos, master of Ursarax

Zygman Videns, Mechanicum Magos, statistical prognosticator

Vindicatix, Vorax battle automata

Cesaria Laventure, warden of kamiti sona

Lady Veleda, Cartomancer

Jambik Sosrulo, Migou and son of Lady Veleda

Lemuel Gaumon, former remembrancer

Camille Shivani, former remembrancer

Chaiya Parvati, Survivor of Prospero

>>53590003
> Migou
Yeti or another Cthulhu reference? IIRC A Thousand Sons was pretty thick of Lovecraft callouts.

>>53590049
Mcneil did write a Lovecraft story. And he loves ramming in references so he can go 'did you see that? look what I did!' constantly.

>>53590049
I'm wondering if it's snowman, xeno, or a mutant.

> And it has a MOTHER

>>53590049
I always figured the migou on Terra were a Yeti reference, rather than a Lovecraft one. There's quite a strong Tibetan flavour to what we've seen of 30K-era Terra, particularly around the Imperial Palace (for obvious reasons).

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>>53590003
>Dio Promus, Knight Errant, former Chief Librarian of the Ultramarines
>Antaka Cyvaan, former Raven Guard Librarian
>Umwelt Uexkull, cybertheurgist, taghmata omnissia
>Credence Araxe, Mechanicum Magos, master of Ursarax
>Zygman Videns, Mechanicum Magos, statistical prognosticator
>Vindicatix, Vorax battle automata

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>>53590127
>>Vindicatix, Vorax battle automata
SKREEEEEEEE in binaric

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>>53590127
> Ultramarines Librarian
I bet he has Warp Speed.

And also, isn't Parvati an Indian Goddess?

>>53590115
Aren't the Migou in 30k some sort of Terran culture from the Himalayas? I remember reading about Migou gene-stock ogres from that one short story about the lone Custard breaking into the Imperial Palace.

>>53590182
I'm not sure if much is really known about them. I got the impression that they were some sort of genetically engineered labourer class or something, broadly similar to ogryns.

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>>53590179
Waifu of Shiva, mother of Ganesha, sister of Vishnu.
Stereotypical powers of fertility, love, yadda yadda, but also stength.

>>53590227
Well, I thought all TS have either Egyptian or Middle Eastern names, so thought it's little strange.

> And for one second I read his name as Chihaya.

>>53590003
>some spacedogs
wolves going to get called out on their hypocrisy
they're going to get wrecked so bad

>>53590258
I do welcome the variety...but then I remember Prospero isn't a planet. It's only the city of Tizca (which actually sounds southamerican Incan/Nazca) amidst desert and some forest.
Eh, it's good enough.

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How do you guys feel about using Javelins to represent Pallas? I really dislike the Custodes vehicles, but the Javelin is pure sex and I'd like a couple in my force.
Converted, obviously, to be piloted by custodes and with replaced weapons.

>>53590003
>Bodvar Bjarki
>Svafnir Rackwulf
>Olgyr Widdowsyn
>Gierlothnir Helblind
Good Emperor, those names...

>>53590830
they all getting pwned anyway

>>53590830
That's more a list of parody Space Wolf names, although I admit I couldn't really do any better. I try to avoid naming things, aside from my Reductor flagship the Outside Context Problem.

>>53590830
>one of the wolves is literally called bark
McNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIL

>>53590875
I'm sure there's fan fiction out there already but it would be interesting to see how the Culture would respond to the Warhammer universe.

>>53590875
Arc Mechanicus no.404 Non Inventum

How many Companies / Chapters / Battle Groups a Legion usually have?

> I want to name my 20th whatever Valeria Victrix

Just finished the Crimson King. Spoilers yo

The Thousand Sons go to prospero where they link up with Magnus' scattered fleet. Amon tasks them to go out and gather all the Magnus shards. They do so and once all his shards are reunited but the one in Arvida, declares for Horus.

A shard of Magnus is bound into Lemuel after Magnus is sharded, and after it is released from him by Malcador's agents, he changes his name to Promeus, one of the founders of the Inquisition. So we know now that Lemuel and Sindermann are two of the first four Inquisitors, and the two male ones.

>>53591338
Thank you kindly for marking the spoilers
You have a hard copy or a soft copy?
If the latter, pls pls pls upload

>>53591338
I thought Arvida became Janus. He reverted into Remuel Arvida or something?

>>53591427
Janus and Promeus were made the same way. Both were created by fusing with Shards of Magnus. I now suspect all of the Grey Knight Founders and first Inquisitors will have Magnus Shards in them.

>>53591457
Wait, it's confusing.
So somehow Magnus shard is separated from Arvida. I get that. So did it re-bound to another guy named Promeus? Or Janus w/o Magnus is Promeus?

>>53591515
Magnus was split into many shards. It opens with the shard on Terra in that primarch House Corax visited in Deliverance Lost. That shard would fuse with Janus. Another shard fused with Promeus. Most of the others fused together to make Daemon-Magnus, who is basically a transcendent C'Tan, but as a Primarch..

>>53591548
Ah, my bad. I was confusing Re'v'uel Arvida and 'L'emuel Gaumon. So 2 different guys then. Then can there be other shards that traitor TS didn't find? Is it that they 'believe' they found all the shards or literally found all of them except 2?

>>53591427
>>53591610
spoilers my man, pls no

>>53591336
varies greatly across the legions.

>>53591336
Death Guard had 7 massive companies while Pollux is captain of the 405th IF company.

>>53591841
>Death Guard had 7 massive companies
dude like Nurgle lmao

>>53591890
Sir, why do you keep your bodyguards 7x7 steps behind you?

>>53591841
>>53591890
>>53591924
Do you think Mortarion's autisim flared up when people reminded him he wasn't the seventh Primarch of the seventh Legion?

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>>53591924
Because 7 is prime, like me.
>>53591958
>DG aren't the 7th legion
GW wants a word with you.

>>53591958
Well, he got to be 7+7th Primarch of the 7+7th Legion, so twice as much 7s!

>>53590705
Dunno, seems crude but try it out. Most likely problem is that Custodes crew are too big

>>53589964
Koch is pronounced 'Coke'

And once again my firearm autism has prevented me from enjoying another tiny tidbit of a movie I actually like.

>>53590221
>I got the impression that they were some sort of genetically engineered labourer class
This is confirmed in The Outcast Dead as well.

>>53592478
Koch as in heckler & koch?

because it isn't.

are Scyllax spam with 4 attacks on charge and 6s generating extra attacks not a thing to be scared of?

>>53589152
>>53588192
>tfw people actually think they look better than the ones we have from GW
>tfw it's always because of the stupid fucking robes

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>>53592824
Also the GW ones are very broad. Less so than Terminators, but we were expecting something slimmer, more elegant.

>>53592824
What >>53592844 said. I wanted the sculpt to be less clunky and more predatory. The current models are gorilla-armed torsoless freaks.

>>53590003
>Jambik Sosrulo, Migou and son of Lady Veleda

Actually more interested in this than anything else if they mention how ogryns came about/are made.

Also:
>Vindicatix, Vorax battle automata

Already can tell this will be the most in depth personality of the book.

>>53592824
I actually don't care about the robes it more the helmets being less busy and kabuki versions looking less stocky like >>53592844 said

Well, I wasted my one perfectly good day off. Hour and ten minute trip to the Games Workshop to try out 8e and found that they'd dedicated one table to the starter set (reasonable), another two to Sigmar games (What?!) and the one remaining one to displaying the newbie demo games that wasn't touched all day. Decided fuck this and got the early train home, and now it's stuck thanks to a signalling problem and I've got an hour and a half in a hot standing room box to look forward too. Sodding hell. I need to find a better LGS.
/blog, sorry for venting.

>>53591181
They'd probably get Special Circumstance'd out of existence pretty damn quickly, those guys don't fuck around. Still, I would pay money to see Gurgeh vs. Pertuarbo on those gaming tables the IVth used. That would be a match for the ages. Hell, Azad sounds like 40k but undergoing continuous rule revisions throughout the game, they even brought in extra boards for Death From the Skies in later rounds :)

Maybe that should be the name of my third HQ.

Archmagos Xander Treides, commander of the Galleass of War Outside Context Problem and designer of the Filiketos-class gunship.

Magos Reductor Canaris, who leads the troops and fights the naval battles.
Secutarii Axiarch Morat Gurgeh, commander of the void troops and liason with:

House Malinax contingent:

Seneschal Nestor, Knight Atrapos
Scion Arbalester Priam, Knight Castigator
Scion Uhlan Ichabod, Knight Acheron
Scion Martial Selket, variable Questoris chassis

That's a decent contingent, and most of the names are more-or-less appropriate.

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>>53590003
>Vindicatix, Vorax battle automata

Hero of the fucking story right here. Beep boop, bitch.

>>53592478
Falsehood. It's a German thing, the "ch" is pronounced like the Spanish J or the last bit of "cough". Heckler & Kough Kough.

>>53592844
>>53592881
>>53593079
Fair enough then, I actually prefer the stockiness myself, makes them look solid.

>>53594406
>It's a German thing, the "ch" is pronounced like the Spanish J or the last bit of "cough". Heckler & Kough Kough.
Anon, please stop. The German "ch" is pronounced like the English "sh" or "k", and the Spanish "J" is pronounced like the English "H"

According to H&K it's pronounced "Coke" like the soda, this is because the actual pronunciation is very close to "Cock" like what OP generally sucks.

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>>53590003

What's the point of Templar Brethren? They cost as much as termies, on paper are shittier compared to them, and cost more to get into melee.

>>53587481
In two weeks or so.

It better be worth that 2 year delay

This whole Lemuel business sounds like the laziest fucking thing.

It's like Mc Neill found out what Wraight did and reused the same fucking plot hook.

When is the next HH weekender?

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Washed the rest of my Terminator Squad. Bases, eyes and power claws/sword left to go, along with maybe (if I can muster the enthusiasm) fixing up some of the hazard stripes across the unit that are a bit off.

So I guess the Emperor really didn't think of the Primarchs as sons and it wasn't just a "perspective trick" to get Ra/Custodes and Land to like him.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2120

>>53597183
Or maybe that's how robby-g wanted to see the emp, like deep down, eh eh?

>>53597183
Does this mean the traitors were right, from a certain point of view?

>>53594406
Spanish j sounds nothing like the gh in cough... the gh on cough is the same as ff in chaff

Any links to more Horus Heresy audiobooks? I enjoy listening to them while painting my Imperial Army forces

>>53597183
>The Sisters of Silence see Guilliman as living saint - they are glad he is back and they worship him.
I really hope she got mixed up and meant to write Sisters of Battle.

>>53595381
>the Spanish "J" is pronounced like the English "H"
Creo saber cómo pronunciar la J
It's as if they had given up on getting people to say it in german and said "you know what, say coke". So, good news? It can be pronounced two ways.
I'm glad he didn't say Sing brother Cock, though, you gotta give him that :^)
>>53597405
Kek srry. I always struggle to find jjjj throat-clearing sounds in English. I can't remember one for the life of me. It's stronger than the Ha sound, is what I'm saying.

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>>53597710
Hnrg

Speaking of SoS, I converted one into a Knight-Centura. Is she distictive enough to stand out?

The kit/faction really suffers from having so few poses/models. They really should release more SoS.

The painted lass is obviously very WIP.

>>53597831
Assuming the unpainted girl is the Centura, I honestly can't tell the difference. If not, oops.

>>53597872
The Unpainted One has a hand from a Dark Vengeance cultist, a different groin-plate-thing and more purity seals (?). But yeah, actually differentiating the models from the kit is a bitch, considering most parts only go one way. The heads can be turned however you want them to, I guess, but that's it.

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>>53597183
>When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool.
>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - he calls them even "Cawl's blasphemous hordes".
>He only sees them as a tool (atleast for now).
P O T T E R Y >:^D
Sins of the father, sins of the son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESBXOOMi7SE
>>53597230
Also this :^)
>>53597710
I don't understand. Why would the SoS particularly like any of the Primarchs? They were loyal only to the Emperor, and when he was enthroned the actually wanted to leave the Imperium to die in M32.

>>53597950
Not sure what is canon anymore.

I THINK the SoS were wiped out in the War of the Beast, but that might only have been a single conclave or something. Otherwise they probably were refounded, but I'm having a hard time imagining why they'd be refounded, at a - massive - expense, and then stay hidden/secret for potentially millennia. Does their Codex explain this?

>>53597183
If only Goldie still worked for BL, I'd looove to hear his excuses.

>>53597950
For Big E, I'm not really sure, since every writer seems to have their own interpretation as to how the Emperor saw the Primarchs. At the same time, by 40k he has had 10k years to sit bolted to a chair, alone with his thoughts. I don't think I'd be overly pleased to see any of the primarchs after that much time, considering all that has happened.

>>53587481
pretty sure that came out today

>>53590003
>Helblind
kek, "wholeblind" xD so randumb

>>53592807
2 expensive 4 no (real) ap value, and they are defensivly shit. they'll do ok as a small bodyguard unit to a kickass malegra.

>>53592844
N O C AP E S N O B U Y

>>53598013
Excuses for what? GL said that you guys should take a hint from MoM that the final battle in the HH would be different since the Emperor gives zero fucks about the Primarchs.

>>53597831
get a different sword, and sculpt some fur for her cloak anon. also aweful picture, no idea whats going on with her hand.

Rules question

Can I as a Thousand Sons player take an allied detachment with 2 Secutarii troops choices

One compulsory and one optional. WITHOUT taking a titan as a lord of war.

>>53599296
Nope, and in fact not even if you did have a Titan, because it says the Detachment has to include a Titan, not the army. Sorry.

What was the plan for that, though? Counts-as Spireguard or something?

>>53599296
what makes you think that you can?

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>>53599230
Her cloak is the one with fur and a scroll/roll of paper on the back. Definitely going to do something about the sword though, they look too similar now.

>>53599419
meant for the collar of the cloak, there's a cool krole conversion on FB, let me find it.

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>>53599419
not a big fan of the head, but otherwise this is something pretty cool looking.

>>53599456
That looks hella cool, I'm definitely going to borrow some ideas from that. Not 100% sold on the collar but the way she's gripping her sword is nice, something similar might work for my Centura.

Anyone have a link to a current HH novels library? The usual mega is dead.

doing a luna wolves army, does anyone know anything about the principa bellicosa? stuff like unit markings, officer stripes or whatever? I'm guessing the tactical arrows and stuff like that originally come from that tome since most of the LW colorsplashes have them, but what about helmet stripes?

considering doing the renaming period scheme for reavers

>>53599386
Yes. I fell in love with the idea of having my TS army being aided by some Mechanicum dudes.

>>53599404
I don't know. I like the models, but I've never played 30k or 40k in my life. I love warhammer and the army building aspect of it.

>>53587057
Horus Heresy 8th ed when?

Can someone with IA book 2 second edition (SM and Inqusition) post nice photo of pg 9 (second page of map)?

>>53599386

I think you are wrong though. The rulebook just states that they can't be compulsory choices if I don't have a Titan.

Fluffwise I would explain it as a Secutarii tasked with retrieving the crew of a fallen titan.

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>>53600238
Probably 2-3 years from now. From what I understand, FW wants to get all of the Legions out of the way before re-writing everything.

>>53600225
as far as I know they are a non compulsory troop choice for mech things that do not have a titan, ergo in an allied detatchment you'd be forced to take a compulsory troop choice (thallax / thralls or castellax if cybernetica) and then a single choice of secutarii.

>>53600430
We still have 6-7 books left. It's going to be longer than than.

>>53600659
They may put 8th edition rules into black books though. I seriously doubt they're going to restart the black book series at Isstvan 3 if/when they decide it's time to put out some 8th edition AOD rules.

rough 3k meme "preds as troops" list for Soh; any ideas beyond "no horus, add 10 spartans."

Maloghurst (goes with the support squad)
5 termis (combi melta+chainfist 2 combi plasmas+power axes, sergeant with thunderhammer and combi bolter, plasma blaster power axe.) in a LR phobos.
5 termis (2 power maul + combi bolter, 1 chainfist + combi melta, sergeant with dual LC's and grenade harness, power axe + reaper.) also in LR phobos.
10 vets, 2 power axes, sergeant with powerfist + combi flamer, a meltagun and a flamer in a rhino with combi melta x2
a predator with lascannon sponsons x2
plasma support squad 5 dudes in a rhino with combi plasma.
a scorpius
glaive.

use the predators to claim home objective while the glaive and 2 land raiders press forward in the center, while the vets in rhino go up the flanks, the plasma support squad trudding along behind the glaive to look out for DSing terminators or evil pods. the scorpius sits somewhere in the backfield and targets medusas or blobs or spooky armor.

>>53600768
Malcadors.

They should just finish off the Heresy and adopt 8th whenever they want to tackle Second Founding/Age of Apostasy/literally whatever.

I know 7th sucks but I'm sure it'd be a world of stress off them to just focus on writing the story.

>>53600781
dropping what though, I'm already way into meme territory I feel with only 26 power armors on the field, I suppose I could drop both predators and the scorpius for a fully decked out malcador?

>>53600799
I hope with all my heart that they do not ever go into 8th, it looks like casual crap, barely a step above smashing your resin tanks together going *pew pew* its way to barebones and simplistic to have any sort of tactical thinking, and its immersion breaking in its game-yness. nor do I understand the problems with 7th. As far as I see it the problem with 7th is mostly located in codexes, there's some issues of MC's vs vehicles, morales non existance and how the psychic powers are "balanced" by being random. but I feel like GW threw out the game with the bathwater in this case.

>>53600870
I can't really comment on gameplay issues as I've never actually played.

I would like to eventually, seeing as how I've got a small force of XX that basically just get slowly painted. I just wish there was no ambiguity as far as the future of 30k's rules go. I've been reading the small 7th ed book and before I found out FW plans to make an updated version, I nearly got the Army List/Rules combo of the digital site.

Now we're all stuck waiting on 7.5 indefinitely.

>>53599797
most of the actual book files are in Rho-Mu 31's under 40000/Background/Horus Heresy. as for the old audiobook repository, i have no idea where that went

>>53589327

What kind of environmental stimuli would result in "chogorian features".

>>53600870
>flyers
>superheavies
>psykers
>MCs vs vehicles
>morale
>deathstars
>worthless non-assault transports
>instant death
>hard AP value thresholds
>pointless basic infantry
>pointless terminators unless W2 or 3++
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

>>53589724

>I mean, hell, Sevetar grew up living with a flock of flesh-eating crows that he'd feed with the corpses of people he killed.

Holy shit that's dumb. Why are BL writers so heavy handed with everything they do?

>>53601101
rice paddies

>>53600870
7th isn't a dumpster fire, but it sure as hell has problems. In 30k, it sucks but it is tolerable levels of shit. 40k 7th is pretty shitty.

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>>53601111
>>53601252
I can only assume FW plans to correct virtually all of this.

>>53601143
Because that's how you write compelling stories. And nerds are too dumb to get subtlety.
>t. Shaitan of Morningstar

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>>53601061
>. as for the old audiobook repository, i have no idea where that went
It's not there anymore?

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>>53601252
>40k 7th is pretty shitty.
But because of formations and cheese powercreep. Remove all that and it was good enough.
>>53601111
Now 8E is D6 hits of -2 AP with D3 dmg and reroll fucking everything. Killed blast templates as well as Armourbane weapons.
The other rules had flavour. I'd like some flavour in 7.5, certainly more than the one there is in 8E

>>53601420
Did anyone ever attach that "heard you were talking shit m8" meme to that? Seems appropriate for second best Titan type.

Why must I like the Warlord best, I'll never have enough to actually buy one even if I never do anything else after the Filiketos rather than getting the nice Mechanicum army, Knight cohort and possibly the second Filiketos-class whaleship just so I can fill in an 8k Matrix of Ruin and fire broadsides with an airship battlegroup.
Told a couple people at the LGS about my idea while they were discussing conversions for FW characters, and they kind of totally shat on it. They said that you should own the exact model for anything you want to use the rules of, which I guess would make a tad more sense if it wasn't the best part of a sodding grand for the flying brick. Odd thing was one mentioned his Dante conversion and how he represented his wargear, despite me just describing how I'd worked out where to put all the right guns.

Guess she's a display piece, since I'm fairly sure there's no other stores round here that GeeDubs doesn't run, and not enough mates play for garagehammer.

>>53601523
I don't mean to sound like an spass here, but could you explain to me wpwhere the flavor lies in templates? I keep reading that, but I honestly don't get it. To me it always meant having to make sure every mini is at max coherency to minimize tempalte effects. Frankly, I loathed that, since it consumed a lot of time and wasn't fun at all.

>>53600870
You've put into words perfectly the feelings I am too retarded to convey.

>>53601735
>To me it always meant having to make sure every mini is at max coherency to minimize template effects.
I have never witnessed anyone do this, is this really a thing?

>>53601874
Yes. Most people at the store, in fact.

>>53601874
Only know one person do it, nobody plays them any more because it's boring. This is a problem that resolves itself unless you live in an area with exceedingly high levels of autism.

>>53600870
the core rules are ancient archaic garbage and GW apologists like you are the reason we can't have good things.
so clinging to a fucking horrible excuse for a game system.
time has moved on, stop clinging to this clunky shite

>>53598793
>So Bobby, why weren't you at Terra when I needed your legion to stop them from putting me in this chair?

>>53602134
>Because you gave absolute authority equal to your own to the person who sent me away and put you in the chair. You should be asking yourself why I wasn't there.

>>53598001
Afaik they are the ones that are in charge of the black ships

>>53602259
Then who did the job of handling the Black Ships before they were refounded/while they split from the Imperium in M32?

Reading Dark Imperium and we learn that Mortarion hunted his alien step dad's soul down in the warp and keeps it in a jar.

He also never lost his dislike of warp shit ololololololol

>>53602310
>Be Mortation
>Hate warp and everything to do with it
>Live in eye of terror on planet of warp shit
>Become literal warp shit
>Watch as legion is corrupted by warp shit

No wonder he just sits around pouting all day and doing nothing

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>>53602976
He only comes out in order to socialize with someone other than other Death Guard and nurglings every few thousand years.

He probably heard Rowboat finally woke up from his nearly-dead nap and decided to pay the cheeky fucker a visit.

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Really enjoying how these Thousand Sons are turning out. Plan is to make an army I can use for 30k games in my area (which are sparse) and use for 40k games as either chaos or regular marines.

>>53602061
Go play shitmar, faggot.

>>53603830
Go play 7th edition by yourself faggot, 8th has come and it's taking all of the warhammer universe with it!

>>53603885
I'll just keep playing 30k with the many people who do, thanks.

More in my local area now than ever before even because of how many people here aren't satisfied with AoS+.

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>>53601626
just wait for Titanicus and build an entire Legio. That's what I'm gonna do. Anything bigger than a Reaver Titan is just not practical or even fun to use on the 40k Scale. The Warlord is basically doomed to sit on a shelf for years between uses, and even then he's a pain to bring anywhere beyond your own house.

>>53603938
The previous editions where unbalanced garbage with rules bloat that made games a protracted chore.

Every armor autist, resin elitist, 30k historical gamer and now shitmar may sayer claims to have a perfect little insular group of gamers who are wholly dedicated to the hobby just the same way they are. I call bullshit mate, odds are you don't have an army, or that you do and you have nobody to play with. Suspending disbelief, even if you have an army and a play group, you neglect to mention the level of hyper autism that ruins whatever modicum of valuable interaction your shit stain community may have. I mean after all, you are posting on the /hhg/.

Can we not argue about editions anymore, and just all enjoy the fact that our armies look much cooler than regular 40K?

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>>53605297
it's difficult to beat mk.III visuals.

>>53604257
dudes probably an Eldar player and is pissed he can't just hit and run as easily anymore

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>>53605297
I personally like MkIV the most, but honestly each suit has good elements to 'em. MkII through VI, they all have character and interesting designs.

>‘Not as wise as you think,’ said Guilliman, unable to keep the bitterness from his voice. ‘I was one of twenty. Two failed. Half the rest turned on my father. The Emperor is not infallible, nor am I.’ A blasphemy intended to provoke the priest. A cheap tactic. Mathieu was thankfully unmoved.

Explain guys. How did the two unknown primarchs fail?

>>53606106
Consorting with xenos/never joining the emperor in the first place?

>>53598793
Dude's been holding off chaos and guiding humanity at the same time for the last 10k years. I can understand the dude being greeted by his son, who is a very powerful person and a McHuge! assets, and treating him as what he should be. A fucking tool used to help tip the tables for the imperium foremost, a son later.

>>53606106
failed in conquest

space teutoburg, mo'fugga

>>53605386

Intel microprocessorposter tells the truth.

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>>53606221
>a son later
I think you mean a son never.

>The Emperor had allowed them to love Him, and to believe He loved them in return. He had not. His Primarchs were weapons, that was all.

>>53606106
It is implied that one of the Unknown Legions fell during the Rangdan Xenocides, along with his Legion. If Rangda's connections with the Slaugth are to be believed, it is possible that one of the primarchs was killed and/or infested during the fighting.

>>53606356
Where is this from and can I get a link?

>>53606546
The new Dark Imperium novel and I don't have one, sorry.

>>53604257
sorry, I know we said no more edition talk but I strongly dislike this meme that the rules are bloated, the base game of 40k 7th is incredibly simple, it only starts to get "convoluted" once you get into special rule interactions, and 8th ed is going to be so much worse at that, due to a lack of USRs.

>>im-fucking plying that a lack of USRs, random damage, random shot, random AP guns don't take twice as long to roll then just using a template.

the only reason people think its a problem is because the new ruleset is written by torneyfags who's only concern is how little they'll have to call on the TO to decide things for them. 8th is going to be great for random pick up games and tourneys because it lacks all complexity or interactiveness, desu the models are now unneccesary and you might as well play with tokens, there's no real model interaction and literarily nothing about the model matters. facings and fire arcs are gone so positioning doesn't matter anymore, casulties are chosen by the owner making where you put models unneccesary and templates are no longer punishing bad positioning. yea sure the game is going to be simpler and faster if you gut 99% of the tactical gameplay of a game and boil down everything to "roll a D6, I'm sure this will be much faster :^)"

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>>53605297
Agreed

Thagmata's robots are the one who brings me into Ad Mech in the first place.

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Just shard my shit up bro.

>>53607060
>>don't talk to me or my son, or his son, or his son ever again.

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So this released yesterday, anyone reading it?

Magnus did everything wrong.

>>53597405
It's like the gh in Waaaaagh! There, that should clear things up.

>>53606874
>>53604257
> I strongly dislike this meme that the rules are bloated, the base game of 40k 7th is incredibly simple

you're part of the problem, the core rules aren't simple and they're literally decades old... now fuck off with your nonsense, or play a bane designed by an actual games designer in the last 5or10 years and learn what an actual game system is

>>53607414
whats so complicated about 7th at its base that 8th fixed? you're literarily just ad hominem-ing and using buzzwords.

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Doing a little more work to the Hetaeron tonight. A little something always counts, eight?

>>53607597
remember the works of DGanon, any man can paint an army, as long as he has the dedication to bring the brush to bear, again and again.

>>53607593
>>53607414 (You) #
>whats so complicated about 7th at its base that 8th fixed?
i don't know enough about 8th to say it fixed anything, but clinging onto what can at best be loosely called a 'system' from decades ago, for no reason, helps no one.
simply saying over and over "its not complicated" is fucking dumb and annoying.
beyond the basic dice rolling elements all the game system is comprises layers and layers of descriptions, this is not a game mechanic, nor can it be really reffered to as rules when compared to modern game design terms, its a horrid approach used more by processes like programing.
for a similar reference look to simulations and modelling, at what point do you so simply describing and simulating something because you realise you've actually built the thing itself

>you're literarily just ad hominem-ing and using buzzwords
reading comprehension? most of my post is describing the problem, give it another read, maybe with an adult or teacher present

>>53601162
The Mongols weren't farmers, and rice paddies are a Southern Chinese and Southeast Asian thing. In Northern China, wheat is more common than rice.

>>53607742
sorry man, the only thing you keep saying is "its bloated." and "its old"
I'm guessing who you are among the posts but your style of posting makes it pretty simple to find with your unnecessary vitriol and endless insults;
>>53602061
here you just say that they're old and archaic, which means absolutely nothing at all.
>>53604257
here you again mention nothing about what makes 8th better then 7th, and again you just insult everyone involved and the only thing approaching an argument you present is "you neglect to mention the level of hyper autism that ruins whatever modicum of valuable interaction your shit stain community may have" which is not going to be fixed in 8th.
>>53607414
here you again just mention that its old.
>>53607742
here you again just insist that its bad because its old, and uses old concepts like words. you're whining that your game has lots of detail? sounds like AOS shit, my point is that I enjoy the fact that it has "deeper" or less abstract rules. my whole point is that I do not like that the rules are becoming increasingly abstract, and while it is just an opinion and not an objective fact I resent the fact that you try to shut down conversation about it because it doesn't suit your own personal level of autism, if you want to play a simplified version of 40k you can always just strip some parts away, my group has several sets of houserules with varying levels of complexity, we play with area terrain instead of TLOS, we play with changed objective scoring rules - none of this is a problem with 7th but 8th is looking so barebones I don't really see how anyone can enjoy it BECAUSE it lacks in complexity. and if you haven't even read the leaked 8th rules then you have even LESS ground by which to make your argument you New gw shill you.

>>53607929
I've posted twice in this entire thread, I've not defended or proposed 8th as a solution. all im sick of is 7th ed apologists who haven't played a contemporary game system.
also, 7th is so good that you need to house rule the main cover system and scoring?

>>53607960
then I apologize for assuming, as for the houserules I never said 7th was perfect or beyond reproach, its personal choice due to the terrain we have and that I personally didn't like that you couldn't stop the enemy from scoring the objective with jetbikes or deep strikers. we just changed it so you score the "hold" objectives at the end of your enemies turn.

>>53607597
Looks neat, the black shoulder pads look nice too.

Anon, do you have some informations/lists about the forge worlds involvment into the horus heresy? What i find is very dispersed. Know about Mesoa, Ciclotrata, Xana, Incaladion, Mars, Sarum, Stigies and Omn-Math.

>>53609098
its scattered about the books, you also forgot incaladion, voss, arko-zhaad and whoever built the cynis thanatar.

I know pride of the legion means you can't take allies, but can you be the allied force instead?

>>53609576
FW doesn't know the difference between a detachment and an army so we don't know.

>>53609576
>>53609633
I have no idea. I've been told allies can't take RoWs, but a LOT of tactics I've seen boil down to taking not-Legion, then taking Legion-with-RoW that boosts not-Legion's playstyle. Hell, I even argued in their favour a few threads back with Reductor and Hammer of Olympia IW allied in to boost artillery accuracy.

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>>53607141
Magnus was a fool, but his Legion was even worse.

It doesn't matter if they technically weren't traitors, since they were already in league with the ruinous powers with or without knowledge. They would have been used as a chesspiece against Humanity either way. They think themself in charge, but they are the biggest puppets of them all.

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>>53610215
>They think themself in charge
If only Magnus wasn't such a hothead.

Can I ask what the point of a Spartan deathstar actually is? You blow a thousand points on a unit with 4 TL lascannon and the ability to own anything in melee. but Primarchs already do that and often don't need the help.

Lorgar can Levitate/Precog his way around with a few Gal Vorbak easily enough.
Morty, Corax and Curze can hop around on their own.
Perturabo and Horus can DS with terminators.
Alpharius can use One With Many
Magnus can Magnus

The only ones I can see really needing the deathstar are Angron, Russ, Vulkan, Ferrus, Dorn, Fulgrim and Guilliman, and they're all sufficiently choppy that they don't need ten Terminators with a Chaplain and PriMed, just maybe a small Command Squad of Terminators, some Legion-Specifics if appropriate and a Land Raider. Hell, the Spartan is a big brick and I often see batreps where they're just maneuvered around nearly all game and wind up running into the other Primarchstar for an ineffectual slapfight on Turn 4/5. You don't even get to see the pretty Primarch models much.

Anyone pick up that event-exclusive Traitor Libby? He looks pretty cool for making a Word Bearers summoner out of, if I was to get myself a filthy recast.

>>53587468
What do chainswords do now?

>>53610607
That model is like 4 years old man
>>53610567
To counter their spartan deathstar?

>>53611258
Just grab a bunch of haywire/lascannons/plasma and you're good to go. What you buy instead of the death star will be more flexible too.

Does the Emperor actually like the Custodes unlike everyone else but Malcador?

>>53610215
>It doesn't matter if they technically weren't traitors, since they were already in league with the ruinous powers
You mean like the Emperor was when he made the Primarchs? Magnus did everything wrong but the Thousand Sons didn't deserve what they got. A simple discussion about the true nature of Chaos would have settled everything.

>>53611306
The ONLY people who dislike the Golden (in-universe) are those too buttblasted over them not being Big E's favourites (the numbered mistakes and the tools created from their genetic material).

>>53611339
>A simple discussion about the true nature of Chaos would have settled everything.
no it would not. If telling Magnus not to meddle with Warp because it's bad wasn't enough, telling him even more wouldn't have done anything either.

>>53611306
>Does the Emperor actually like the Custodes
He likes it when his tools do their jobs.

The Custodes never question his orders or go renegade so I imagine he likes them plenty.

>>53611306
No. He uses them as mere tools as well.
I doubt he even like Malcador, as he's perfectly willing to sacrifice him.

When Guilliman sees the entirety of the Emperor, shorn of all illusion and subtlety he finds that the Emperor loves no one. Every individual is completely disposable.

He loves mankind alone.

>>53611366
>If telling Magnus not to meddle with Warp because it's bad wasn't enough
"Just because" was never going to work on a being as curious and driven as Magnus. He needed to know why. The Emperor should have realized that considering he created him.

>>53611339
I shit all over the Thousand Sons and their whore Primarch. Seriously, everyone keeps whimpering about h-how they d-didn't DESERVE i-ih-ihh-iiit, but noone seems to give a fuck about the million, probably billions of men, women and children who died because their Legion was unironically one of the worst.

Seriously, who gives a fuck about the Thousand Sons? The Thousand Sons, and pretty much no-one else. The White Scars were bros but an exception.

>>53611405
Or maybe that's what Guilliman wanted to see to lessen the guilt of the whole "totally betrayed Him" thing.

>>53611415
what makes you think the Emperor trusted Magnus with that sort of information?

Lorgar and many other primarchs have shown that just knowing the truth about the warp isn't much of a deterrent to them.

Magnus did everything wrong, and Magnus Apologists are also wrong.

>>53610567
>>53611286
People don't build deathstars because they're an optimal use of the points or whatever, people do it because they decide to take their legion's primarch because he's a cool dood in their eyes, then feel they should give him a bodyguard and a ride.

So no, objectively there's not really a point to them. But, frankly, the day when people stop building armies based around what they think it cool and just go with what's optimal will be a sad one IMO.

>>53611439
Emperorfags are getting really desperate.
It is clear that the Emperor is a shit from multiple sources now.

>>53611433
>million, probably billions of men, women and children who died because their Legion was unironically one of the worst
The Webway was Magnus's fault, not the Thousand Sons. The Legion themselves didn't hurt anybody until the Wolves came down.

>>53611465
I'm not a Magnus apologist. He did everything wrong but his actions were obvious if you knew his character. The Emperor was incompetent to think Nikea would solve anything.

>>53611496
>But, frankly, the day when people stop building armies based around what they think it cool and just go with what's optimal will be a sad one IMO.
This.

>>53611465
Does this mean Russ Did Nothing Wrong.

>>53611532
Russ disobeyed Nikea.

>>53611286
If you cannot kill your enemy in glorious combat then clearly god was not with you

>>53611580
Nikea concerned the warp NOT fenris, get it through your minds you brainlets

>>53611496
I do see the point in that, and I agree with you. I guess I just find loading all those normally pretty and well-painted models into what amounts to a giant brick for most of the game is a bit of a waste of all the work. Then again, I'm planning to go Word Bearers, so I can cheat with psychic bullshit even if I can't match anyone else in raw power.

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>>53611523
>Be the ruler of the Imperium
>Have generals specifically created to be awesome
>They're dabbling in shit they shouldn't be
>Tell them to stahp, make it all official and errything that this is very much not the direction he wants things to go
>They do it anyway because their world-breaking egos won't allow them to consider they might be in the wrong until they fuck up beyond any hope of recovery
>Hurr the eMprah wuz incompetentent 'n shiet

>>53611580
So did everyone else who didn't ban psykers already.

>>53611589
I don't need your false idols when I have Iron Havocs with Lascannons.

>>53607929
>justifies bloat
>multi replies
Like pottery

>>53611601
Nikea said that psykers were no longer allowed to be used by the legions. It didn't specify the Warp only. Inferno outright states that Rune Priests are psykers. A Rune Priest in Howl of the Hearthworld also lies to one of Malcador's agents because he knows he's in the wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, they both fucked up hugely.

Magnus' part in things being the obvious one, where he fucked up the webway, and basically let his planet die because he wanted to be punished (except he didn't, because he changed his mind right at the end).

Russ with his utterly half-assed attempts to get Magnus to surrender, when arriving at Prospero. To his completely retarded attack strategy of "just kill everything you see" and how noone else was allowed to join them on the first wave. The bit that highlights this point being the regiment of Imperial Army who were on the planet for resupply, who tried to contact the Space Wolves when they first attacked, and then ignored all later communications from the Custodes because by the 2nd Wave they didn't give a damn anymore.

>>53611620
Only after the Heresy began and they decided they needed to counter demons. Only the Thousand Sons, Space Wolves, and White Scars never complied.

>>53611589
>god
[Empirical Screeching]

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>>53605386
I think you mean primarines

>>53611699
>numarine stomping on what 40k should look like
Pottery.

>>53611627
But brother, we were made of stronger stuff than the fists, why a single hit from the butt of our bolsters could break their 'storm shields'

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>>53611720

>>53611686
>not ascribing the word god to the uncaused cause
suck it Locke

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>>53611699
Cawls Tech heresy has nothing on Crusade Era Marines.

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>>53611717
So chaos won't be ridiculously OP now?
>>53611742
Ah so the wallscum finally showed his face, we have had it up to hear with building trenches you don't even walk in for fear of your scrolls being darkened, you idolatror

>>53611760
So what do chainswords do in 8th
Why is the bolt pistol different to the bolt gun

>>53611667
the scars didn't know about the outcome until after they returned to Prospero and khan fought off Mortarion.
the Scars didn't 'disobey' it.
that said, they hinted that they probably wouldn't have followed it if they had known

>>53611781
>So chaos won't be ridiculously OP now?
Depends.
If Rowyourboat Downthestreamlyman's involved: no.
If otherwise: yes.

>>53611823
>the Scars didn't 'disobey' it.
They disobeyed it like almost everyone else (didn't the Imperial Fists and Blood Angels still enforce it?) but you're right that they were a special case.

>>53611804
no fucking idea, I didn't even read anything about 8th yet.

>>53611606
>Create weapons with egos
>Pretend to love them and let them love you
>One breaks the rules out of his love for you and because of the ego you created and nourished

BUT THE EMPEROR DID NOTHING WRONG.

>>53612079
Because it's been conclusively shown the Emperor went out of his way to fuck things up for himself and make the Primarchs flawed in existing canon you win this argument.

Oh wait.

>>53612079
>BUT THE EMPEROR DID NOTHING WRONG.
It's true though, if the Emperor did something, then it must have been Right because He did it.

>>53612186
>Because it's been conclusively shown the Emperor went out of his way to fuck things up for himself
The Emperor consistently does exactly that with his terrible decisions.

>>53612198
>t. Dorn
Go wipe your dick against a wall.

>>53612284
>denying the future of humanity because the Emperor hurt your precious fee-fees
Also Dorn is one of the best 3 space dads go fuck yourself.

>>53612333
>having dorn a space dad
>gives you a BDSM fetish
>also makes you into a furry
Tha-th-thanks dad

>>53612235
That other people consistently fail to do as they're fucking told doesn't make his decisions terrible.

>Lorgar don't fucking worship me
>I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME IT IS A GOOD PAIN
> >:(

>Magnus seriously you don't know what you're doing, stop fucking around
>Hurr durr barbarians h8tin my knowledge gonna do more wurpsturf. Also hoRus and ups sry about that Webway, don't mind me I'll just be super smug about how you've been using XENOTECH and WARPTECH when talking to other Primarch
>Magnus ffs what have you DONE D:<

>Hmm this world has access to archeotech and they have my Primarch up against the wall. It might be defective considering the fact that it isn't the master of this dirtpile, but hey. Let's snatch it up and not butcher billions of people.
>Y U NO LET ME DIE GLORIOUS DEFF HRRGH BLOOD FO TEH BLOOD GOOOD AAAAARG
> Fuckdamnit

>So... "Mortarion"... I just totally saved your bacon after you were too weak to do the shit you said you were gonna, mind helping me?
>YOU THINK I DON'T RECOGNIZE WARPTECH WHEN I SEE IT? GRIM DEATH DARKNESS ABSURDLY FACIST SHIT EVEN BY THE STANDARDS OF THIS UNIVERSE ALSO UPS NURGLE HURR HYPOCRISY ALMOST ON PARR WITH SW
>Fuking hell why can't I make better Primarchs

Not even going to write about Curze because really, nothing more needs to be said. Fill in the blanks for other situations/Primarchs, and understand that incompetence = being bad at your job. Considering the Emperor brought the galaxy to it's knees and did all kinds of awesome shit, calling him incompetent is frankly delusional. Feel free to argue about different interpretations of canon, but you CAN'T call someone who did all that the Emperor did incompetent, the definition of the word means you're misusing it. At best you can say he made huge mistakes, or mistakes that snowballed out of control, which, fair enough.

>>53612364
>dorn makes his sons into furries
Are you getting him confused with someone else?

>>53611868
Blood Angels enforced the ban until Signus. Don't remember if they allowed it after that though.

>>53612420
>That other people consistently fail to do as they're fucking told doesn't make his decisions terrible.

Yes they do. He decided to create weapons, then decided to treat them as sons up until he snapped at them.

If he had been purely professional from the start that wouldn't have occurred.

>>53612420
He WAS incompetent when dealing with his Primarchs. He was a fine ruler on a macro scale but he tended to make boneheaded decisions in personal interactions. The Primarchs are as he made them.

>>53612448
Furries are just the bottom of the slippery slope, all is accepted there
http://archive.is/yxdlm

>>53611667
And World Eaters

>>53612493
This is the sort of thing that would have the Emperor sell us out to chaos.
DELET THIS.

>>53612487
Fair point, it's not like they grew up on different worlds with WILDLY different cultural standards and upbringings, right? It's not like the Primarchs who didn't grow up on fuckedupistan were mostly decent, right? It's not like it took the Chaos Gods directly tempting Horus at his weakest to turn him, right? Your genetics decide what you have the potential to become, not 100% what you will be.

>>53612479
Considering how most/all Primarchs spent their formative years, and how they, as a rule, reacted to meeting Him for the first time, how EXACTLY do you think, say, Angron, Kurze, Guilliman, Corax, Perturabo or Russ would have reacted to him rolling up and going "Alright number XYZ, you're a tool I created for this purpose, now go this."
He didn't create their egos. Why do you think the Primarchs who aren't smug fucks are the minortiy? Because they either were never put in a position of authority (Angron) or had so fundamentally different formative experiences from their brothers that it'd be frankly weird for them to be egomaniacal (Corax, Vulkan)?

>>53612609
>how EXACTLY do you think, say, Angron, Kurze, Guilliman, Corax, Perturabo or Russ would have reacted to him rolling up and going "Alright number XYZ, you're a tool I created for this purpose, now go this."

Maybe not well at first, but that it would have ended better.

>He didn't create their egos.

He did, he made them massive superhuman demigods who excelled at pretty much everything and gave them the capability to feel in very human ways.

>>53612609
>Baal
>notfucked up

>>53612662
>talking shit about fabulous flying hawkboy

>>53612420
>>53612487
I like emps's first meeting with corax though.
>hey corax, you need a hand?
>nah dad, I got this
>[NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS]
>good work, son

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>>53612693
That was always fun. Other than the guys who grew up on cushy planet #21312, did any of the others have shit 100% handled? Angron was about to go out blaze of glory, Curze was just busy being Edgy Batman, Mortarion was getting out-huffed by a mountain.

>>53612678
>calling him a hawk not an eagle
To the gulag with you for crimes of heresy

>>53612739
>when his weapon skill begins with a 6

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>>53612758

>>53612739
Curze had his shit 110% in hand, at least through constant reinforcement of anything that went against his unknown, unstated moral code. And by constant reinforcement, i mean flaying your wife and children of their skin and sanity and hanging their bleeding, beyond-saving bodies from the rafters of parliament. By the time of Imperial arrival, he had been literally crowned king and emperor of an interstellar trade network by popular demand, and only stopped being the best ruler nostramo had ever seen when he heard a crime had been committed, at which point he went from thomas Jefferson to vlad the impaler and ivan the terrible's incestuous horror-child.

>>53612819
>the emperor saying it
Heresy of so high a level we shall exterminatus the multiverse

>>53612819
I wonder how many times the guys that make ETTS have had to throw away everything they've written for their current episode in progress and start again, what with all the crazy new lore that's coming out around 40k 8th edition.

>>53605586
Can't bring myself to truly like MKV though.

>>53613074
Then make your own version of it; all armour marks had variations within themselves and MK V is literally all sub-tier pieces of junk cobbled together during the Heresy.

Why 40k fluff is getting so shitty?
I hope HH books from FW will be good.

>>53612739
Lion had his shit 120% handled.

Landed on a Death World, hit it with a sword until it gave up and became civilized.

>>53613394
and then turned to Chaos behind his back while he was out Crusading... I wouldn't call that "handled"...

>>53613451
None of which would have happened had the Emperor not arrived, dumped millions of Terran immigrants onto the planet, and given Luther even more reason to be jealous of Lion.

>>53613378
I award you one Circlejerk point.

>>53611244
In 8E the bonus attack for having two weapons was moved to them. A power sword with a pistol charging still does the base attacks only.
+1 attack when wielding a chainsword.

>>53613490
>Ruler of the Imperium
>Capital is getting crowded
>Legion Home world is a desolate piece of shit
>"... I see a solution"
>Perfectly legal
>"waah waah im so buttblasted"
errything is the emprerors fault as usual.

Seriously, can people stop crying about how BL ruined the Emperor etc? They didn't. They fixed him. We had small blurbs to go on before, and come on, they were SO obviously hyped propaganda.
The Emperor is an actual person with real, tangible flaws, and makes mistakes that snowball and have huge consequences because he's in charge of everything.
>Worst father, incompetent, ruined etc

</3

>>53613564
>>53613583
Hmmmmmm....

>>53613378
Because with 10k years of setting to explore the writers somehow can't manage to set anything in any other span of years than 997-999M41 full. Beyond full really, Skarbrand manifested and was banished at least three times in 999M41 and characters are regularly jumping from one end of the galaxy to the other in a week in order to take part in battles.

With 10k years, 1000 chapters, and uncounted regiments to utilize GW has somehow managed to pigeonhole themselves into the same half-dozen actors in the same three years. And now, trapped behind their own defense mechanisms they're being swiftly undone.

>>53613625
What can I say, you guys are errywhere

>>53611868
The Scars had more traitor than the Blood Angels for sure because a lot of the Scars loved Horus. Did any Blood Angels go traitor? Not many I imagine. I'm pretty sure all of the Fists were loyal, those wall hugging bastards, but loyal for sure.

>>53613638
Setting everything in 99.M41 is one of the problems, shitty writing is another, new 40k books are shitty writen, and fluff is retarded.

HH books are much better written.

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>>53612420
The Emperor wasn't incompetent at being the Emperor. What he was incompetent at is social interaction. He had little to no clue on how to interact with others beyond his own perspective of "The Most Important Person Ever". Yes, he understood how to entreat foreign nations and conduct diplomatic efforts, but in 200 years of dealing with the Primarchs it was clear that he did not always make good first impressions, and that he did not seem to understand keeping these relations maintained as a necessity.

Sure, he didn't think of the primarchs as his sons. But even if he saw them as weapons, it would've been in his best interests to ensure that these weapons are doing exactly as he desires. The primarchs were beings designed to be demigods, peerless leaders and warriors, but they also had humanity, and all the emotional flaws that come with it. Expecting that each one would just fall into place blindly and do as they're told is ridiculous. He made super men, not super servitors.

I believe that with more guidance, at least most of the 'problem' primarchs would've still been on his side. Rather than doing absolutely nothing with Lorgar for his entire career, then suddenly dropping the hammer on him, perhaps he could've actually explained that the Warp is full of nightmarish creatures posturing themselves as gods that prey on the frailty of mankind and its desire to worship? Instead of just telling smartest Primarch "Sorcery is bad, stop that", explain to him the dangers and absolute need for strict control that warp magic requires. Especially considering that Magnus was the psychic prodigy, I'd think that the Emperor would try to actually guide him in some way instead of going "Hey, we both have psychic powers! But you're not allowed to use them because I say so." Hell, the Imperium figured that out AFTER Big-E died and they do relatively well with heavily controlled and practiced psykers (i.e. Librarians), considering all the levels they fuck up on daily.

>>53613378
What's so shitty about it?

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>>53613906
>HH books are much better written.
Which is pretty sad to be honest.

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Dark Imperium has Nurgle Void Whales. He stole my shtick!
They can't fly though, just flop out of a Warp Portal and throw out hordes of Daemons. Maybe I should take the Filiketos-class against my Nurgle friend when they're done, just for thematic points.

>>53614179
I was referring to FW HH books.

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>>53614053
See >>53613638. Really. While there have been amazing stories over the years, by setting almost everything in the closing few years of the setting, 5 years of history is so crammed with events that all the good stuff is wedged right up against all the shitty stuff too. Add in the desperate desire to try and re-ignite player's interest in the setting, and a lot of the new stuff in recent years tends to go too hard and too 'new and exciting', which inversely puts a bad taste in people's mouths.

>>53614214
BL is unironically superior to GW fluff at this point.

>>53614419
Lion confirmed for actual neckbeard.

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>>53614419
What the hell did they do with Sanguiniu's hair?

>>53613952
>Sure, he didn't think of the primarchs as his sons... He made super men, not super servitors.
Quite correct, whether he saw them as sons matters less than the fact that he treated them as tools rather than generals.

The other less mentioned problem is that for some reason GW ignored that there is an obvious narrative among the Primarch findings that works one of two ways. Either the Good Emperor finds Primarchs like Angron and Morty early on and learns from the experience before he fucks up meeting those like Russ and Vulkan, or the Bad Emperor finds those like Russ and Vulkan early on and gets arrogant leading him to fuck up meetings like Angron and Morty.

Instead they set up the timeline so that we have Bipolar Emperor who sometimes is willing to jump through hoops to earn a Primarch's respect and sometimes punches them in the dick and kidnaps them, because reasons.

>>53614419
Oh! The Spear of Telesto. Hopefully that book isn't shit. Sanguinius is also where he deserves, front and center.

>>53614453
Drills, son. Proving that he's truly best girl.

>>53614419
>white hair
>black beard

>>53614490
What is a general if not a tool to be used by the state to command armies?

>>53614559
His hairs are loyal, his beard is traitor.

>>53614419
>sang has no hand armor
>doesn't need it, takes longer to rip apart phantom titans if he is wearing gauntlets

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>>53614419

>>53614684
Sangiuinis special rules.
Angel's Hand
Instead of attacking with his sword he can use his bare hands instead. Characteristic of his attacks is S:D AP1 melee reroll of 1.

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>>53614634
A person well placed to take control of the state whether by legal or illicit means. It pays to treat your generals like people, lest they decide to treat you like an enemy.

Pic not entirely related.

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Ferrus Manus

>>53614634
Even if the ruler knows this, and the general knows this, the ruler typically doesn't make a point of pissing in the general's cereal. Because at the end of the day, even if both parties know they're serving a particular role, they're both human, and it always remains a good idea to stay on each other's good side.

>>53614893
NOOOOOOOOOO

Ferrus is perfect as he is because they haven't written enough to ruin him!

>>53614967
>Ferrus "I hate my metal hands and sure do hope that my sons don't go on to become too cyborgy, that would be terrible" Manus
>Not ruined

>>53612420
>>53614490
If anyone fucked up the meeting between the Emperor and Mortarion, it was Mortarion.

>Mortarion is out leading his Death Guard in their latest failed attempt to kill his step-dad
>arrives back at village to see this shiny gold guy being adored and stealing all his thunder
>shiny guys offers to help him deal with his undead overlord 'problem'
>fuck you buddy, I don't need your help, I don't need anyone's help! I'll do it myself!
>herewegoagain.jpg
>fast forward to Mortarion choking on the smog and Emperor saving his ass

>>53614893
He looks like a vampire.

>>53614893
What's up with his face?

>>53615038
That's awesome though. I love how the Tenth went crazy with grief and became the very thing their Primarch despised. The Iron Hands are tragic in a great way.

>>53615147
It's after Istvaan they attach first head they found to the body.

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>>53614197
But Anon, it was you who made it Nurgle. Kept it on hold until it became stagnant, talk it rotten, bloated its concept. Never flying, just dissolving his way forward through the fabric of the universe.
It's a second Mortarion if I've ever seen one :^)

>>53614893
>Sanguinius has flesh hands, doesn't wear gauntlets
>Ferrus has metal hands, wears gauntlets
This is why you died first, Ferrus.

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>>53615115
Eh, Morty wasn't happy about it, but he didn't have to be. Being an anti-social mope is like, 75% of his character. He may not have liked the Emperor, but he ultimately did what he was told. He only went traitor because it was Horus that asked him, the only person he actually liked in the world, and the Death Guard only got corrupted because Typhus was a sneaky git and backstabbed the whole Legion on the final voyage.

>>53615287
>Ferrus has metal hands, wears gauntlets
He's not though. Those are vambraces.

>>53615115
Dude, if 40k was more popular in Japan there'd be an ntr doujin about that meeting. Emps sauntered in while Morty was out working and convinced the Barbarans to suck his ego off.

Any help with list appreciated. very new to 30k!

avoided the shield on the Tribune as apparently it's game breaking

2460pts

+ HQ +

Tribune
Arae-Shrikes, Cyber Familliar, Digital Lasers, Paragon Spear, Teleportation Transponders

+ Elites +

Achillus Dreadnought
Achillus Dreadspear
2 x Twin-Linked Adrathic Destructor

3 x Hetaeron Guard
Arae-Shrikes, Teleportation Transponders, Praesidium Shield, Solerite Power Gauntlet

+ Troops +

3 x Custodian Guard
Arae-Shrikes, Melta bombs, Teleportation Transponders

3 x Custodian Guard
Arae-Shrikes, Melta bombs, Teleportation Transponders

3 x Sentinel Guard
Arae-Shrikes, Melta bomb
Coronus Grav-Carrier, Extra Armour

3 x Sentinel Guard
Arae-Shrikes, Melta bomb
Coronus Grav-Carrier, Extra Armour

+ Heavy Support +

Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought

4 x Sagittarum Guard
Arae-Shrikes, Teleportation Transponders

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>>53614419
Aaaaaaaaahahahahah
The Lion is Guilliman with a mullet! And wields a chainsword? What happened to pic related?
>>53614520
The spear of Telesto is a blood drop on a stick?! Whaaaaaat.
>>53614684
I do find it unsettling as fuck. If I could wear only one piece of armour I'd wear gauntlets first, cuirasse second.