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>>53583955
>not specifying (Battles) in the title

here comes the aosposting

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>>53584004

>>53583849
Not GW. Pic related.

>>53583695
Yeah, I'd love it too.

Its such a simple thing. "That was one universe but there are others, here's an option to show models woth original names, here's unplaytested rules for the new AoS minis that Gav and Matt wrote while stoned, please buy our models again."

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>>53584004

We're Warhammer Fantasy, they're Warhammer Age of Smeg, there's no confusion. They post her because their game is shit and the only joy they have is baiting us.

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>>53584076
Forgot pic.

This page has more info.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/WIP

>>53584089
Correction: the lore is shit, the models are highly subjective.

The game apparently is okay now. Warmahordes tier.

>>53584124
>current GW
>Warmahordes tier

no

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Who here old school 80's fantasy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfB6rMGWQe4

>>53584169
Warmahordes is pretty bad.
Very netlist tryhard, poor balance.

Like AoS now.

>>53584385

I don't know what's worse, that GW is taking cues from Warmahordes or that people actually net-list for AoS.

>>53584124
>static values to hit/wound
>literally doesnt matter what tier troop you're fighting you always hit/wound on the same number

dumb system. fantasy might have been a bit complicated but it was complex with purpose.

>>53584433

Yeah that really annoyed me with 40K 8th edition.

It doesn't hurt that game as much though since melee isn't the central focus.

For a compromise they're using 6+ to hit if enemy's WS is double yours, 5+ to hit if enemy's WS is greater than yours, 4+ to hit if WS is equal, 3+ to hit if your WS is greater than enemy's and 2+ to hit if your WS is twice that of the enemy's. I think this system is a good compromise.

>>53583955
Help me decide guys.

Slimes, Insects, or Niggers.

>>53585174
:thinking:

>>53585174
Slimes

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>>53585174
Niggers.

>>53585275

Where's the floating pyramids?

>>53585353
That's tomb kings.

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Does anyone know the type of helmet on Empire state troops? I remember people complained about Morion helmets in the trailers, but what is the name for the original thing?
As well shall we post Warhammer armour designs?

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>>53585458
All the helmets in your image are sallets. 1, 3 and 4 are a type usually known as 'celata', an Italian variant.

Who the fuck is Sethep the Merciless? I believe I saw him mentioned on 1d4chan, and i know he's in the fan army book of special characters. I don't remember him in any of the VC armybooks, though, and I also can't recall him being in Night's Dark Masters.

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I will never stop being mad

>>53585458

The designs in that image are salades.

I'm personally not that fussed on what design people want, we know Estilia use morions so it makes sense that the design would find its way to the Empire and the kits have them on. As long as it looks somewhat realistic or is based off an established design.

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>>53585569
Thank you my good sir.

>>53585569
>>53585608

Or yeah, sometimes known as sallets.

>>53585595
Chin up lad. Cubicle 7 are apparently keen to make an elf book of some kind for wfrp 4e. There may be hope yet.

>>53585708
BI were keen to make it as well. At least we have Defenders of the Forest.

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>>53585569
I thought sallets had that characteristic long protrusion at the back. Those in anon's image look like bascinets(without a visor).

>>53585708
Fuck the elf book. Lustria adventure when.

>>53585275
how the hell does the empire have power over primitive tribes south of lustria?

>>53585896
WE WUZ KAISERS AND SHEET

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>>53585854
Kind of. The Italian style of sallet is the earliest kind and evolved out of the bascinet (and would later evolve into the barbute). But bascinets usually have an aventail, so they don't spread out at the bottom.
The long tail on the back is characteristic of German sallets in particular.

>>53585871
Cubicle 7 have also expressed interest in a Lustria book, so there's that.

>>53585896
Presumably via the Sudenburg colony.

>>53585896
It's early background. I think the 'Emperor' referred to is a Slann Emperor.
Consider the wording: "Although many tribes are hostile to the Slann, some are vassals of the Emperor and are required to pay him tribute".

>>53585275
Jesus Christ, Raimi.

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>>53586108
>I think the 'Emperor' referred to is a Slann Emperor.
Correct.

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>>53586557
For fuck's sake, you're here too?

>>53586557
>>53586648
>>53586786
What?

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>>53586108
There is a mention of a Slann Empire, so that's probably correct.

Pygmies confuse me in a lot of ways, though. They don't look particularly interesting - were they supposed to be funny? Who would want to make use of them?

>>53586786
What did he mean by this?

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>>53586842
>>53585275

>>53587020
Now that's literally what you see when you look out a London window.

>Lustria campaign
>it aint me starts playing

>>53587240
I was actually thinking something more like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd63P7mYXzo

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Pegasus, or Hippogryph/Griffon?

>>53587262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iky6UlioAkc
I prefer this one.

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Why would the Bretonnians want to crusade into the Chaos Wastes? The Badlands crusade at least has some historical precedent - that's how the Border Princes were initially formed - but even then Bretonnia doesn't usually have much interest in throwing troops outside of their borders for almost no reason.

>>53584433

I always liked that in every handbook they at least explained why things were than way.

you could agree with them or not, but they gave you all those small insights to their reasoning process. It was a little like having designer notes

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Anyone else have a deep hatred of assembling and ranking up glade guard?
Fuck me those guys are obnoxious to build, painting them is a chore as well sometimes

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>>53587689

>>53589985

Surly you're only doing ranks of 2?

>>53590982
John Blanche is one of the few people who can make a pegasus look badass.

So I've met with a bit of frustration in the last couple games I played with my Skaven. My opponent the last two games has been Ogres, which I can't blame him for since they're his new army and he wants to use them.

First of two games my Lightning canon does nothing one turn(rolled spectacularly low on the bounce) and then blows up the next. Gutter Runners can't hit a goddamn thing to save their lives in 20 shots, multi-shotting with slings and poisoned attacks. Cast Crack's Call 2 times during the game. Didn't matter how far away the nearest anything was, was off by 4".

Second game, played just last night, Hell-Pit Abomination gets into a unit really quick, and I'm able to charge it, and flank that unit hard. Giant rats die, Rat Ogres hold their own for 2 combats. Hell-Pit regens a total of 2 out of 8 wounds. Doesn't even turn into Rat Swarms when it dies. Try to cast Skitterleap on a Warlock Engineer with a Death Globe so I have a chance at killing his Mournfang? Nah, just going to get it dispelled EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

I don't get a single spell off the entire game except Cloud of Corruption. Single enemy unit nearby? Sweet! Only fail to wound effect them on a 1! Rolled a 1. Effected the caster unit, effected a nearby friendly unit, effected the guy with the Death Globe, effected the Warp Lightning Cannon. Great. Killed so much of my own shit with that spell, and not a thing of his. Super. Better though, I miscast and roll a 4, so fuck the unit the Grey Seer is in especially.

I can't blame a thing but poor dice results, but it's so incredibly frustrating when it keeps happening.

>>53592101

Grunners are not that useful against ogres, they'll net 2-3 wounds per phase, minus any saves, so that means that they won't rack up much against big, multiwound infantry with decent armor

>>53589985

Painting them not so much. The cloacks are obnoxious, I'd concede that.

>>53590997

>ranks of 2
>with glorious forest shooting + volley fire

>>53593693

Yeah but glade guard aren't exactly great in 8th, most people just run 3 sections of 10 in 2X5 formation.

>>53594940

>core-filler shooting unit, armor piercing that can be poisonous, multiple shot or straight up -3 armor.

They're not great, they're killers. They are to Welves what cannons are to any other faction: a "fuck you" to any big model.

Plus if you run them in a big unit of 30 (5 ranks of six, for a total of 24 poisonous shots per round), you'll also happen to fuck up any chaff, chariot or mediocre infantry that happens to charge you. They're ws4, ASF, and since you're going to have them in the poisonous wood (which you get for free), the enemy has to test dangerous terrain to charge you, eats a stand and shoot, then gets a tons of poisonous attacks which reroll all 1 to wound.

I cannot stress how AWESOME they are. They're a bunker that still wins it points back, that can clear both chaff and expensive units, can hold its own in close combat and it's CORE.

>>53585578
From here.

https://issuu.com/m4cr1ii3n/docs/warhammer_expansion_-_special_characters

>>53585871
Would you approve of lone Lizardmen sent by the Slann to dwell among humans?

>>53586842
Early Warhammer was supposed to stick to an over the top portrayal of the real world with Elves and Dwarfs standing in for certain groups.

Then Chaos was added and they abandoned everything but Chaos VS core factions.

>>53589449
Bretonnia crusades constantly.

They fucking invaded Lustria looking for dragons to slay.

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Reminder that TMS Miniatures, the guys who replaced the Tomb Kings and Bretonnia ranges, have the Kickstarter for their Vampire Counts replacement going right now.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1516875985/tms-vampire-covenant-army

Wood Elves are next. Then they are considering Ogres.

Get in on it now, only 5 days left before the price shoots up.

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>>53595836
I'm not a paid shill, I'm a shill hoping for more stretch goals like a male Lahmian and an Isabella proxy.

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>>53595883
Since they are inspired by T9A lore, and since T9A had a Rome which has already been produced as part of the Tomb Kings army, the Vampire Counts skeletons are Greek rather than Romainian.

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>>53595919
If nothing else, back it just for $40 Blood Knights.

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>>53595919
The bats are really nice.

>>53595836
>>53595883
>>53595919
>>53595938
Damn, $2.50 per post? Where can I sign up?

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>>53595962
Link in the first post.

As far as TMS ability to deliver, half of the Tomb Kings minis already were sent out. Due to a casting issue they had to take a few months to resolve the other half were delayed. Apparently they are putting what they learned from it into use in the Bret range so it doesn't happen again, and the Brets are being cast while the last handful are being sculpted now.

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>>53596022
Last shill post from me, Lord Tremendous does a Skype interview with the TMS team.
He spends part of it bitching about Elves though.

https://youtu.be/HmBreg_E1VM

>>53595289

Have you played with wood elves?

That might work in theory but in reality they will shoot once or twice and then be dead.

30 glade guard with hagbane arrows are expensive as fuck, your enemy can buy a lot of stuff for that and one dwellers will kill it like anything else.

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>>53595625
But the pygmies seem loosely like African tribes...but they're in Lustria, i.e. South America.

>>53595640
That was the Southlands, but that's a good point.

Any WFRP 2E GMs around that can offer advice running the game? I am reading through the core book at the moment, and I'm wondering what your accumulated wisdom might call for in running a game with the Drakwald module and beyond.

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>>53596471
The pygmies do also share some traits with South American headhunter tribes.

>>53596236
i just play two hagbane blocks of 16
2x8
wizard bunker EG in free poison woods, warhawk riders and wild riders doing their thing
also waywatchers and treeman
I've tried taking wardancers in my last 3 games but I always won before they got into fights

>>53596236

I've been playing them for quite a while.

Dwellers is like saying "dies to removal". Everything dies to dwellers. And not everyone has access to life.

Meanwhile, msu are extremely vulnerable to small shooting. 3 dead on a 10 glade guard unit?
If you field them in a 3x10 unit, that's 10% less shots and a panic test more.
If you field them in a big 1x30 unit, that's 1 shot less, and no panic test.

A big unit will also utilize your wood in an optimal manner (as it will all gain cover), will be MUCH MORE resistant to small fire and chaff.

And let's not forget that by fielding multiple units you lose time at deployement, and since you're a shooting army you want to actually go first.

If you want to field 3 small units be my guest, you'll get fucked over by ambusher and scouts, or even a single unit of average infantry.

>>53595593
That's just weird that's what that is. Half the point is that humans and lizardmen are supposed to have very little interaction with each other, and the lizardmen are supposed to assume (not totally incorrectly) that they are the ones fufilling the Old Ones' plans and the least tainted by Chaos, with everyone else screwing things up.

Why would a Lizardmen go to the Old World? Not information, since the Lizardmen care little for politics, and the only information they've really wanted from humans are geographical and biological in nature, stuff that can be easily obtained from humans travelling to Lustria. Diplomacy? Possible, but very unlikely - they really only make use of human forces against a common foe that is at Lustria. There'd be no point in keeping up relations with a nation months of travel away for that purpose.

where do you buy warhammer spell cards? did they ever get included in army books or were they always sold separately?

>>53584004
aos is not warhammer fantasy son never bring that shit here

>>53589449
It's possible that after the Storm of Chaos Franz might call on everyone to crusade into the Wastes to put an end to Chaos while they're weak. Attrition and corruption would unfortunately fuck them over, unless Karl managed to somehow convince Grimgor to join them or if Grimgor himself continued his fucking-up-Chaos-gits spree.

>>53597454
Inscrutable prophecies man. They saw on a tablet a lizard hanging out with a dude with a massive beard that had a bird for a hat, some outrageously fancy Empire dude washes ashore still clinging on to his fancy hat with tremendous feathers, and the lizards decide to fulfill the Old Ones Plan.

>>53598093
They were sold separate like themed dice are now.

Unless you're talking about I think 4e, where the starter set had more cards than minis.

>>53598171
>Franz
>calling a Bretonnian crusade

>>53598214
So why not just force that Empire dude to hang out with them in Lustria? Why follow him home?

Were there ever harlequin elves in Fantasy, or have shadowdancers always been the closest thing?

>>53598171

I doubt it because the Storm of Chaos took a huge toll on the Empire as well, every province on the way to Middenheim was decimated and half the garrison of Altdorf had to be called up to help Todbringer. The Empire is in no condition for a large expedition.

Anyone in the UK may be interested to know that Witchfinder General is on the Horror Channel at 10:50 tonight, essential viewing for Fantasy fans.

>>53598093

They were sold in different packs. I think the Empire pack had the 8 core lore's of magic.

>>53598352
>putting aside differences to take down chaos somehow impossible

>>53598632
True, but western Middenland and every province and "allied" land were unscathed. The Empire's most important provinces were safe as were the Dwarfs and Elves. The toll was serious, but in the end they took a lot less of a beating than Archaon and his doomy armies did. They got utterly annihilated at Middenheim and were already getting fucked up on the way there. Now that the Orcs aren't buddies with them anymore it's quite possible that Chaos is significantly weaker than the Empire & company at this point. Franz might go "Hey French fucks, these guys threaten our mutual existence but we just proved they're completely killable, join us and let's fuck them up".

too bad we never got anything further, th-thanks gamesworkshop

>>53595593
Hey only if it's female if you know what I mean

>40k is AoS now

epic. simply epic. Ruining 1 game wasn't enough for them.

>>53599294
>>53595774

>>53599346
40kg is no longer safe. wfg is the only safe haven from the GW menace

what is dead may never die

>>53586842
>>53596471
They don't really talk about the Pygmies anymore, for reasons that I think are probably to do with the early depictions of them. I think it was in one of the old Town Criers that I read the most 'recent' reference to them, and that they basically described them as being Halflings with a perma-tan.

>>53587240
>Lustria campaign
>It Ain't Me playing in the background
C-can I join?

>>53598352
>So why not just force that Empire dude to hang out with them in Lustria? Why follow him home?
Not that anon, but the Skink Priests are notorious for having trouble agreeing on the meaning of many signs and portents, and even the Slann argue about it on occasion. In all likelihood some of them thought he should stay in Lustria, while others thought they should follow him, and probably another group thought they needed to sacrifice him to Sotek.

>>53599388

Thanks Jaden.

>>53599388
by the way things look 40k's already stepping up to the chopping block, I figured geedub would at least wait another year or so. I think we need a refugee camp thread for the 40k and fb players escaping GW's relentless crap.

9th age seems like AoS-lite. is it actually good?

>>53599513
use 1.0, It's 8.5e
Everything after is its own thing

>>53596557
Shields save lives

>>53599513

> 9th Age
> AoS lite

I fucking hope this is low hanging bait but these days you can't be sure.

2.0 is out soon by the way.

How do I store my miniatures? Not sure what to call the foam you would stick them in.

>>53598900
Look, it's one thing for Franz or Leoun to call a crusade and then ask the other if they want to join in on this. That's how Araby went. It was probably a mistake of phrasing, but Karl Franz can't just demand a crusade of Bretonnia, just as Leoun would be laughed out of Altdorf if he tried to do the same of the Empire.

>>53600422
Not demand, convince. Franz is a great statesman and charismatic personality. He can show Bretonnia what Chaos is truly capable of and the damage they can bring, but also show them that they can indeed be beaten. Not demanding a crusade, requesting assistance from fellow humans.

>>53600361

Where do you live?

>>53600599
in a house in the first world

>>53600606

Well then I can't help you because there are different recommendations for different countries.

>>53600361
My roommate purchased a large toolbox, then carved up his own foam box and shaped them. Not very hard.

>>53587020
>Dindu

Is this a /pol/ meme?

HAIL KEK!

>>53592101
I see you know my pain.
>only person who regularly lays with me is welves.
>have to fucking suicide charge into everything or the arrows will block out the sun.
>abuse buildings so my fucking rats can survive a turn.
>fuck yea. Time for some magic. I got a storm banner, howling warpgale, and plague for you low toughness fucks.
>haha fucker, your war dancers wiped out. Fuck your dance that he gates rank bonus. Let's keep this going
>roll 1.
>my fucking clan rats rot by the dozen
>they fucking get to go again
>my next unit fucked
>next unit fucked

If I didn't stop there I would have just straight conceded. Those fucking cut sisters wiped out one of my cannons first turn with lucky rolls and my second cannon got a misfire. Sometimes shit just dosnt not go well.

>>53600422
>>53600471

We need a fucking crusade against these Muslims.

>>53598559
Harlequins were created just for 40k, although they were based on the Wood Elves in playstyle.

No clown Elves ever really existed, but then again we don't know how the High Elves or Dark Elves went about Loec worship (High Elves worship his side of the pantheon, Dark Elves just don't give a fuck about Isha/Kurnous/Lileath/Asuryan) so its not something that can't exist either.

>>53601435
>le racist humor

Could've at least said Arabyan.

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For those who read the Blackheart series, did the ending feel weird for you? It's like the book ended with a chapter missing.

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In TWW2 there are going to be "rogue armies" that start as hordes but can settle in ruins and become factions proper and are supposedly rooted in obscure lore

The only known example so far is a goblin "beastmaster" who controls a force of feral squigs, boars, and bastiladons. Does anyone have any idea of who this gob is?

>>53605581

I've never heard of them but I know Lustria has loads of these one off factions.

I hope Prince Rodrik gets in.

>>53605581
Probably a character of their own design, likely set up as the 'anti-Skarsnick'.

Anyone else stoked for Cubicle 7's reboot of WFRP?

>>53606293
Do we know anything about it yet?

>>53606293
I could play 2E forever, but yeah, I'm hype. They talked about putting out books for Naggaroth and Lustria, so hopefully we get a ton of sweet sweet lore.

>>53606293
I hope they fill the gaps that were left with 2nd edition, without trampling all over the lore by introducing the Cytharai or similar stupid shit.

>>53597454
>Why would a Lizardmen go to the Old World?
A Slaan wakes up and croaks 'protect Jerry von Nort'. Saurus warrior just nods, grabs his shit and goes look for this 'Jerry von Nort' to protect. Jerry von Nort is another player character.

An Empire adventurer took a bauble from Lustria, a skink priest is sent to retrieve it, and not knowing anything about the Empire, falls in with a band of rogues to gather information. Cue a subplot of the skink PC tracking down this bauble while caught up in the larger hijinks of his trip to the Old World.

It can be done.

>>53606480
And it's not even the same Jerry von Nort. He was named after his great grandfather.

But that's still the plan.

>>53585275
SHEEEEEEEEEE'IT

>>53605581
I'd love it if provinces in the Empire could get refounded.

>>53606951
Province trading or liberating needs to return. I don't want to conquer Kislev, I want to liberate it.

>>53606951
I would really dig restoring Sylvania and Westerland as the Empire and those contributing towards some sort of politics system. Not a fan of painting the map Reikland with armies that don't represent the provinces they come from.

>>53606959
fucking this
>play some dawi
>Accidentally take a settalment way the fuck down south to settle a grudge
>The rest of the Provence is owned by an allied dwarf hold
>leave and orcs come in
>million raids a turn, book of grudges stacked high
>just want to trade the fucking shit hole of a town back. dont wnat it any more
>"The longbeards are grumblin "this shit wouldnt happen in our day"

>>53606989
Part of my group's canon is the approaching centennial of Marienburg's independence.

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Was having a discussion in /twg/ about high elves in WH2 and it turned into a discussion about their advantages and disadvantages are, can you guys please inform me what those strengths and weaknesses were as of 8th?

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>>53607025
>Be Orc
>Can only take Stuntie Holdz
>Oomie landz just burn
>Bitey Oomie landz burn too
>Boyz won't squat on tentacle Oomie landz
>Pointy 'ead'z landz burn
>Run outta Stuntiez
>Map can't go all green

>mfw

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>>53595836
Im not sure if I trust them to make quality VC models

>>53607326
Lots of magic, high morale units with good attacks.

Very expensive in points, lack of artillery to counter large formations.

>>53607795
>lack of artillery to counter large formations
What about bolt throwers?

>>53607843
No enough spread or bounce like a cannon or rockets.

>>53606989
if you are referring to warhams, there is a mod whichb makes whatever regions you recruit emp troops from bear the regional colours.

>>53605581
WTF? that sounds like the settling horde mechanics from attila.

>>53607326

A special lore of magic that was very strong, their units are often very elite and geared towards killing a certain type of enemy and they always strike first.

They also have a special rule where they fight in an extra rank, which applies to spearmen and bowmen, so they can have deep but compact regiments.

>>53606293

Yes extremely.

I hope they go all out and we get plenty of adventure books and source books for Dwarfs.

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For a post SoC game, what's likely to happen to Marienburg?Iplanned to have it that by 2530 Franz had decided to reabsorb them into the Empire by force, splitting it between Reikland and Nordland, but is that actually likely?

>>53611888
Technically Nordland has the larger claim, with their Elector Count even being the 'Duke of Marienburg' - though it's debatable if they can actually enforce it.

But the Empire might struggle to reabsorb a still strong Marienburg, and Bretonnia would be too distracted by rebellions at home to take advantage of Imperial weakness. Marienburg could become a larger power.

>>53611888
Marienburg maintains its independence by playing the Empire and Bretonnia off against each other. They also have High Elf military backing.

If the Empire decided to take Marienburg by force they'd be facing Marienburg, Bretonnia and High Elves. And vice versa with Bretonnia.
There would have to be some politically complicating factor for it to work.

>>53605581
I really want to play as estalia

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>>53611928
>>53611993
What kind of factor, then, would it take? High elves fighting the Dark elves during a massive invasion while the Bretonnians deal with Maullobaude's revolution?

Also if the wasteland is mostly marsh that isn't farmed, how would they maintain a large enough population to maintain a decent military force?
I had considered using content from End TImes: Nagash and maybe Throne of Chaos for other world events, Please don't hurt me for bringing it up but would that give any extra factors?

>>53612054
>Estalia gets more fleshed out with conquistadors and not!Knights Errant to make them more unique as part of the Lustrian expansion
>Kislev gets fully fleshed out with an army based on previous lore as part of a larger Chaos update
>Araby and Tilea's RoR get added in as part of a big Tomb Kings reveal

Dream with me anon.

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>>53612089
That would be a pretty effective way of keeping the High Elves and Bretonnians out of the fight, yes - though remember that Mallobaude's revolution was in ET, and in Storm of Chaos it was just vague peasant rebellions while the knights were away. If you're intending to ignore the latter for the former, that's okay.

And Marienburg is a very large city for this fantasy world, providing a large enough population on its own for a decently sized, equipped fighting force. And Marienburg has the wealth to hire a lot of mercenaries. With control of the River Reik using their navy, and the marshy land around Marienburg probably making it difficult to set up siege camps, the Wasteland is a tough province to take, let alone hold.

>>53583955
>https://pastebin.com/TSQhemJR

http://kickassunblock.net/warhammer-fantasy-flight-games-warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-3rd-edition-t8445953.html

doesn't work, it seems...

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does anyone has pdf/scans of "HERO'S CALL" for wfrp 3rd edition?

>>53611628
One of the coolest pics in the corebook!

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Lots of people talk about Bretonnia advancing in tech, but what about the Empire devolving in terms of technology? The prominence of Ulric and Taal, both cults that don't fully condone the use of gunpowder weapons, could have enough weight that if the cult of Sigmar were to falter, the Empire could shift back in terms of tech. There have been Ulrican extremists in the lore before, especially in a few short stories.

>>53614829
They'd have to be really extreme as there's a massive cannon in Ulric's main city. The most likely way this could happen is if the Empire is devastated by war and plague like in 1111, and too many great minds died with it. Without the proper people to help advance technology it would slow and could possibly regress with the wrong people in charge.

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>>53617601

> We will never get updated Empire knights that look like this with baroque barding.

Why even fight in the Emperors name?

>>53617661
The best you could probably do is buy the Empire General kit and convert the horse.

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>>53617713

Yeah but I'm not made of money! That would cost a shit ton.

>>53617803
Buy one, use bluestuff.

>>53617803
Use the magic of ~~*3-D Printing*~~

>>53606951
Why would you want the Drakwald back? Place is nothing but hell on earth.

>>53619000
No trips, I mean that when everything aside from Reikland gets torched by the forces of Chaos, I'd like the ruins to get reclaimed by their former provinces after a time - or maybe one city and they have to spread into the other remaining lands.

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>>53617713
>implying
war altar's horses

>>53619108
I stand corrected.

>>53619108

They would have been glorious.

>>53618824
Aren't 3D-printed stuff very fragile?

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>Running WFRP2E with my roommate and my best friend
>Finally get friend to come back to continue Through the Drakwald
>He's just not giving me a chance, seems very much like he doesn't want to play, but insists he's cool and he wants to
>Immediately attacks the elves, I have to gimp them and make the fight easy so he doesn't die
>He then takes the first chance he can to say "oh you guys are gonna do something else? yeah see you later, I gotta work in the morning anyway"

>>53620302
Weed out the casuals.

>>53620302

That's the point where you don't invite him back.

Honestly, role-playing is the one hobby I would recommend people find a group for since a) you feel as cringe worthy when you're acting hammy as fuck in front of people since you don't really know them and b) you're guaranteed people who actually want to play and aren't there because you invited them and they feel they have to come because you're they're friend.

>>53620668
>>53620580
He's played tons of roleplaying and other similar games - he's told great stories of his D&D characters. He either hates WFRP or has no faith in me...and I suspect it's the latter, because he can't be straightforward with me.

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>>53620668
This. Find yourself a group and hold nothing back. There's nothing better than using a stupid accent as part of your character and nobody bats an eye at it.

>>53620734
It might be the system. I know some people are very loyal to their particular game. It doesn't help that D&D and WFRP are on opposite sides of the adventuring scale.

>>53620734

Give him another chance and if he does it again tell him where to go.

>>53605692
>Bretonnian army that consists entirely of a Lord and six paladins
>All on foot
>Wielding mismash of lizardmen sacred artifacts and Bretonnia hear

Take ALL my money!

>>53621325
Early on they were mentioned as having men-at-arms - it could be interesting if you had to take down a weak Men-at-Arms force that seems paltry, and then you had to actually have a scenario battle similar to the original scenario, killing off the Lord and paladins before they can escape (only in the game it's to rebuild their forces and try again, I assume).

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>>53621325

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Two petty things I'm mad about with Bretonnia in TWW:

The Men-at-Arms look far more boring than painted examples and the box artwork. In those cases, the color of their lord was shown on small parts of their otherwise drab clothing, or on little shields or by painting their helmets. The uniformity of them just looks awful and doesn't approach the fun of the mishmashed aesthetic you at least get some of with the peasant mobs and peasant bowmen.

Also, when peasants break they say 'God help us!' Why the male, singular word? Is it so hard to at least make it plural, so it doesn't sound like they think Bretonnia is monotheistic - towards a deity that's not the Lady, confusingly enough?

>>53622123

You would think they'd say 'Lady help us' and then they wouldn't get bogged down in the whole monotheist/polytheist debate on Bretonnia.

>>53622157
There is no debate. The Lady is the dominant deity but the whole country, even the knights, worship the human pantheon.

>>53622123
> Blazing Sun knights and Boris FUCKING Todbringer still shout for Sigmar
But at least there's fun stuff like Light Wizards praising Aluminas, and Alberic being as dutiful to Manaan as he is to the Lady

>>53622211

There is a debate on whether the peasants can worship the Lady though.

>>53622237
Seeing as how Battle Pilgrims exist, that's clearly wrong.

>>53622237
They don't get to pray to her before battle (they're not really chivalrous), and the damsels don't have much to do with them, but they can still worship her, it's not illegal. She's a major deity in Bretonnia and it'd probably be more of a crime for peasants to ignore her in the nobility's eyes, since she's responsible for the founding of their kingdom. It's just that peasants often focus their attention on gods that are more important to their daily lives, like Taal or Morr, since the Lady doesn't really care about them too much. Peasants listen to sermons from Grail Knights on holidays, and Grail Pilgrims will preach about grail knights and the Lady to any peasants that will listen. Peasants will have pilgrimages to sacred places to the Lady and have holidays in her honor.

There was an anon that once said that the Lady gave peasants fertile soil and good weather as blessings, but I never found a source on that.

>>53622277
That was the one thing I disliked about the Knights of the Grail book for 2e. It says that peasants are forbidden from worshipping the Lady, with the exception of the Grail Pilgrims...but it's not exactly like they have a fucking rigorous entry program.

It makes much more sense that peasants are allowed to worship the Lady, and some do, but that more prefer Shallya.

>>53622389
It was also never mentioned in the 6th edition army book. It grew from the awful book series, Knight Errant, Knight of the Realm, etc. I just think Reynolds hated writing Bretonnia stuff.

>>53622226
Alberic, a man caught on two shores.

>>53622442

It kind of makes some sense, if the lady is attached to the concept of chivalry then it would make sense to have a dividing line.

>>53622602
The concept of chivalry would mean that she wants her knights to protect the weak, not arbitrarily forbid them from worshipping her. Not that she has to like them, but merely let them enter her temples.

>>53622602
I do have to wonder why an elf goddess is this much of a bitch to have started this bizarre caste system in humans and stunted their societal growth.

>>53622926
She's not an elf! REEEEEEEEEEEEE

But seriously, gods don't work that way in Warhammer. Well, until the writers got all retarded and started changing things to make 8th edition and End Times work.

>>53622926
i don´t think she made the system
that were the brets on themselv

I think I preferred Warhammer when it was more agnostic, and there was evidence the gods existed but also evidence that they may just be creation myths or have mundane acts attributed to them.

>>53622442
Tell me about the awful book series, anon. I've never read it myself, and these days it seems like I won't get the chance.

>>53623274
The Bretonnians lose goddamn everything, the protagonist is such a huge cunt that I've set the book down because I hated him so much and one of the best characters dies. Shit, Sir Reolus should have been the main character. He was a bad motherfucker and banged the main character's sister and still came off as a hundred times more likeable.

>>53623264
This. But to be fair, I'm a /wfrp/ fag - so it was fairly easy to have entire story arcs without really knowing whether the Clerics of Shalya were really channeling a benevolent entity or just casting magic funny-like.

>>53623274

It's probably in the OP if it's the ones I think they are; the Knight series.

>>53612089
>>53612211

It sounds like, in a post SoC setting, Marienburg would actually be in a strong position to make a political move of their own against the Empire at large - offer their fealty in exchange for continued independence and a dominant position in the Empire political strata.

>>53623348
Not to mention the protagonist's waifu ended up raped by Norscans.

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>>53623718

Kek, fucking hell.

Can Brets do anything right?

>>53623718
He also becomes a horrible alcoholic and has a mutant half brother. I've never hated a fictional character as much as I hated him.

When is somebody going to take WHFB and make a video game like Blood Bowl?

>>53623729
Welllllll, the protagonist (Calard is apparently his name) apparently managed to take out Merovech.

So, a living Bretonnian is able to take out a dead Bretonnian. yay chivalry

>>53623828

Once creative assembly have made models for everything.

>>53623863
Does he become less of a cunt?

>>53623863

I actually quite like that he's got flaws but his incompetency/back luck is quite unintentionally funny, he's like the Bretonnian Frank Spencer.

>>53623907
Ehhh. Not really? I don't remember to be honest. I don't remember him being a cunt either. Just really boring.

>>53623914
I think the author just was at a loss as to how to make a grail knight interesting. I can understand why people aren't really fans of writing Bretonnia, since at the apex of society you have DUTY HONOR CHIVALRY OUI OUI HON HON as their characterization. But I feel like Reynolds was just phoning it in by the end.

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>>53624016

They needed to move Bretonnia into a more realistic sphere to make them interesting socially.

Sometimes on here I'll say 'oh Bretonnia probably wouldn't want to completely destroy Norseca because it keeps the Empire weaker etc.' and people flip out about how it goes completely against chivalry and all the rest of it.

If you go down that route it's a one dimensional dead end. No one can tell me that all Bretonnians are chivalric all the time just as real knights weren't. It also makes them boring as fuck.

More War of the Roses less King Arthur.

>>53622926
She created High Elf humans.

If you read Sons Of Ellyrion, HE have a rigid caste system and a lower class. We don't know the details though because they just talk about it in reference to the maid.

>>53624139
Bretonnia only goes full chivalry some of the time and mostly it's from the Grail Knights and the king. The rest are human and fallible.

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>>53624016
It's sad because even if you try and bring up points where the lore vaguely mentions lords that are corrupt, lords that are more focused on economics or political maneuvering, or are corrupt and cruel, but it's very...flimsy. There's only mentions of it - no established examples. You can barely even find mention of vampires or chaos cults. If you try too hard, eventually it feels like you're just slapping French names onto Empire characters. The lore always has the idea that Bretonnia is a pretty mask hiding deep-set corruption and problems, but they never really explore under that mask, and I think some people only want the mask itself.

I think if an author really cared, he could write an interesting Bretonnian novel. You could have a knight struggling with faith and travelling widely and getting exposed to a lot of things that make him doubt or question the chivalric code and what he's doing, but he presses on anyway for his ultimate reward. Maybe a Bretonnian peasant that steals the identity of a dead Knight-Errant at some point, so both sides of the coin are seen. You could take advantage of writing about the highest echelons of Bretonnian society to actually add some depth and character to lords beyond 'good, just, and martially skilled.' Even the best and most honorable lords are being just and fair on the backs of a corrupt system, you know? Imagine how easy it is to cheat your way up with the right blood.

It could be fun to play with the idea that the Bretonnian system is so strict and inflexible and not made with change in mind that lords and peasants have to constantly bend the rules all the time. Chivalrous mask, they still go through the motions, but if everyone were to actually abide by such rules everything would collapse with all the pressure the outside world exerts on them.

>>53622926
>stunted their societal growth
My theory, not that I'm particularly into the whole "they're being manipulated by elves" thing, is that it's actually the Wood Elves who are responsible.

Because look at the Empire, in its quasi-industrialized state where it's building things with steam, and having lots of fun with black powder, it must go through a large amount of coal, charcoal, and wood to fuel its industry. If Brettonia were to undergo a similar industrial revolution then they'd be more tempted to cut down Athel Loren, to use it for fuel. The elves don't want that, and it's easier to not deal with the humans at all, than have to kill hordes of them.

>>53625296
I'd have liked the idea of competing philosophies of Order.

Progress, the Dwarfs/Empire/High, and tradition, the Brets/Wood/Lizardmen.

GW only cares about fleshing out Chaos and Primarch philosophies though.

>>53626316
>Chaos philosophy
There are more subtle differences between Gork and Mork than how the various Warriors of Chaos serve their gods.

>>53622226
light wizards have unique voices.
All the empire wizards have unique voices.

Also empire generals refer to ulric constantly. And yes, we need more of best goddess.

If you look at the bretonnian kit, it is well modeled, The problem is that the base scheme of red and blue loses a lot of the deatails.

I'm thinking about getting myself into WHFB 9th age since I saw it down at the club and they use many different models from a variety of distributers. It seems I can use non-fantasy shit and that appeals greatly to me.This means I can use my /hwg/ army based around the Jerusalem Garrison in the first century AD as a Empire army with no blackpowder.
Is such a list viable?

Tl;dr
Can a non black powder empire list be decent?

>>53627477
yeah empire can do anything, just not exceptionally.

run more knights

>>53622226
>Light Wizards praising Aluminas

As a Lawfag I got giddy hearing them shout for Alluminas' glory as they blasted away worthless Chaos hordes.

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>>53627706
>run more knights
I can easily portrait knights by using heavy roman cavalry and the imperial guard by using legionaries.
A prelate(warrior priest lord) by using an old and big chariot.

How big are units supposed to be? I'm getting ideas of a unit of spearmen of 60 guys 10 wide with a warrior priest in them to give them hatred and the odd blessing. Imagine this with a general which gives brace for impact order so almost everyone can strike. This paired with a light magician should wreck almost anything.

Also, imperial guard with plate armour and shield, what's the recommended unit size for those?

>>53623264
I'm on the fence about it.

On one hand I like all of the gods. Hell, even Chaos was tolerable before the Tard Times. They all had distinct personalities and every god had their own way of doing things, but they were also fickle, and their origins were unclear and no definitive, solid proof existed to confirm they even were divine in nature.

Even the big bads and big goods of Chaos and Law were more or less glorified daemons and spirits that came out of the warp gates rather than "proper" deities to grab a piece of this new world pie for better or worse intentions.

I don't like the strongly agnostic tones of the older editions, but I also strongly hate the new tones of 8th and onward.

I think in the time before and during the Storm of Chaos line they nailed down the way the gods of Warhammer should work pretty well.

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This is in 28mm. Since The Empire doesn't have bolt throwers, would you reckon this could work as a cannon instead? Do they function similarly?
Sorry for being such a spoonfed noobish fuck. I'm just having a blast with these ideas

>>53627899
Not all Ballistae shot bolts. Judging from the ammo in that pic, I'd say that thing is more of a mortar/stone thrower, though maybe a cannon could work too.

>>53583955
I'm playing an elf kithband warrior in a WHFRP 2e. Are there any resources I ought to get my hands on?
Otherwise, I'm in a group with a nurglite warrior. My GM assures me that we'll be fine, though I'm still somewhat of the opinion that elves and chaos do not mix ever ever ever. Anyone able to help me get in the right frame of mind?

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>>53628236
Maybe this would fit a mortar better?
I'd really like the Empire to get some classical weapons back so this wouldn't be an issue.

>>53584076
>Its such a simple thing. "That was one universe but there are others, here's an option to show models woth original names, here's unplaytested rules for the new AoS minis that Gav and Matt wrote while stoned, please buy our models again

Post >yfw even a shitty universe like that outsell whfb 40:1

>>53628259
Kithband Warriors are almost entirely dedicated to wiping out the forces of Chaos living in the wilds, especially Beastmen.

Unless this Nurglite warrior is extremely repentant and wants to abandon the Papa, or if the Kithband is totally swooning over Chaos and wanting to side with them, the two characters would very literally instantly come to lethal blows.

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>>53628337
>meanwhile in the real world.

>>53628424
>they don't all play homebrewed nipon armies

>>53627794
well hordes were king in 8th, but I admit anon I've only had a cursory look.

as to unit sizes, when in doubt horde it out was the 8th ed adage

>>53627899
depending on your opponent anon, I'm sure it could count as a mortar at the very least

>>53628430
>>53628430
they probably play shogun 2

>>53626316

>traditional
>wood elves
>"let's drink the kool aid" elves
>traditional

They're isolationist, not traditionalist

>>53628259
WTF is your GM smoking?
The nurglite would have to be an undercover cultist or there will be blood in 5 minutes from the start...

>>53626316
I actually think wood elves are the embodiment of change (seasons, orion suit, life/death) almost on part with chaos, except a little more enclosed. At the same time I see dwarves as the traditional. They only advance in tech when it's practical and helps keep tradition.

But I feel the same on the idea that the brets are being kept back on pirpose. Maybe it's just learning from the welf neighbors, or the lady just likes seeING them play little games for her.

>>53622226
>>53627762
I wish Geedubs would've done more with the Lawgods rather than leaving it up to player imagination at this point.

Alluminas being the most vague god of incomprehensible light and plans and ideas that no one understood yet having the power to cast his light onto things and force them into eternal paralysis make me think he's potentially the scariest motherfucker of the whole setting, one who could probably take down everyone else and eat the Chaosgods for lunch but is so vague and impossible to understand that he has some plan where he sits back and doesn't interact because
>YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND MY TRUE NATURE

He's like Tzeentch if Tzeentch weren't both an evil piece of shit and a little bitch.

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So I've seen this image float around and focused on the engineer in the middle. He doesn't seem to match existing models, and GW just does existing models nowadays. Maybe GW will update plastics for Empire?

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>>53628424
>westaboos getting elitist about superior language skills
Some things truly are eternal.

>>53628424

> You feel superior just for having it in your library.

kek

I'm working there next year, I'll make sure to spread the good lords Sigmar's name.

>>53629569

Could do, he looks a bit less renaissance and more steam punk.

>>53627899

I think that's Warlord, if you go in pike and shotte they sell early modern cannons.

>>53629705
I'd beg to disagree. In my opinion he looks more rennaisance than the current model: his cuirass is a sober design, he has the puffy sleeves and leggins (or whatever would be the appropiate term). His technogubbins are also more modest and less ridiculous than the current engineer too.

Also... is that a giant chaos dwarf on the background?
...May this book actually salvage that PoS setting?

>>53627794

60 spearmen is a big block but since you have the models already you may as well go balls to the wall.

'Imperial Guard' or greatswords usually run at 40 in 4X10.

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Anyone notice how the Skaven are just Jews in fantasy land?

- Vile, backstabbing cunts
- Huge noses
- Hebrew names
- No homeland of their own
- Secretly invade other civilisations, plotting to bring them down from the inside
- Anti-semitic propaganda frequently compares Jews to rats

I noticed this years ago. They're ugly rat-like beings with long noses, a tendency to blame others for their problems, and an intensely clannish social structure. Currently they plot to otherthrow a great Germanic empire through underhanded and cowardly means.

High Elves roster getting revealed tomorrow. Considering the month of May was about the Lizardmen, June will be about the High Elves.

https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/871713243441639426

http://www.lead-adventure.com/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=275

Can anybody suggest any other manufacturers who make Oldhammer type dwarves like this?

>>53631314

Wargames Foundry has a branch called Warmonger which sells all their fantasy models and it's full of old school Dwarfs and Orcs.

North Star are also releasing some Dwarfs soon for Frostgrave that are very retro inspired.

>>53629765
>'Imperial Guard' or greatswords usually run at 40 in 4X10.
And if you don't use greatswords? Just hand weapon and shield. Is there a use for them? Roman legionaries didn't use two handed weapons as far as I know

>>53631415

I don't know, I only use Warhammer models so I've never ran them sword and board. My first instinct would be that they're probably not amazing since you could either take cheaper core with the same equipment or knights with full armour which would be tougher.

>>53631415

By the way, I don't know if you care about the lore at all but I'm sure there was a boarder prince that was based on the Roman Empire.

Can anyone remember them? They were the republican guard or something.

>>53630366
Skaven are an silly mix of Jewish and Nazi undertones.
>Elite(-ish) troops are called "Stormvermin".
>Fancy Skryre tech is roughly analogous to Nazi German overengineering and fondness for wonder weapons.

>>53631434
>cheaper core with the same equipment
With full plate? Can't find it.
>>53631501
That would be awesome actually, if I can find a way to justify this in lore I would greatly appreciate it.

>>53631501
Ricco's Republican Guard were Dogs of War.

>>53629330
I agree. Any way I could convince him otherwise? The cultist is openly practicing -- I believe he accepted the player's character before knowing that and doesn't want to renege for either of us.

>>53630822
YES.
YES.
GRAND BATTERY VS HIGH ELFS SOON
I really hope that the VA for the elves will be as good as the dorfs
>For the wisdom of valaya
>SATISFY THE GRUDGE
>KHAZUKAN KHAZUKIT HA!

>>53628635
They live in the manner of the first Elves of Avelorn.
Basically they went back to the stone age.

>>53630822
I wonder what's going to be cut.

>>53632626

That fucking awful flying thing attached to an eagle hopefully.

I've never felt so embarrassed to run a Sea Guard army.

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>>53631657

Oh yeah I remember them now.

>>53631598

Still, the boarder princes are basically an undefined region of the old world where small republics and princedoms are set up and it's all unclaimed and a place for people to make their own kingdoms up.

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>>53632646
I love that thing. Its not like there's no Oldhammer precedent for it, and MoW ships got far more silly.

Chrace should be axed, no pun intended. Fuckers gave us a bad rep for three editions.

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>>53632749

It was more the guys with spears hanging off the back, firstly it wouldn't fly low enough for them to hit anything and if they did they would probably be thrown off by the impact.

Would have been alright if they just had bows or something.

>>53632844
I kind of figured it swoops down and they stab at things as it goes by.

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>>53583955
Does anyone have any guidelines for using the corruption values from Tome of Corruption? What would create Severe corruption values? Would it be any old shrine or would that only happen with massive shards of warpstone or only with chaos portals?

how common are imperial griffons? does pretty much every count have one?

are there any channels besides MWG and GMG that do WFB battle reports?

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Wight Queen stretch goal.

>>53630366

>skaven
>STORM-X, DOOM-Y everywhere
>genetic engeneering
>doomsday weapons
>one of their symbols is basically a 3-armed svastika

Wew

>>53634804
their miniatures look awful desu. i looked at the beastlord mini they make and its just atrocious

>>53635056
The lactating cow minotaur?

>>53635056

I would only recommend using them when GW no longer produces a certain mini.

>>53635125
miniatures i want to buy are going out of stock on gw's website which spooks me. hopefully they aren't moving to last chance any time soon.

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>>53634864
> one of their symbols is a three-pointed Star of David
ftfy

>>53634121

I don't think they're supposed to be that common since the eggs have to be stolen and raised by the rider, and the mothers generally don't like that.

But yeah, any Lord can take a one so they'e not super rare or anything.

>>53635155

Which ones?

They usually give people fair warning these days before they squat something.

>>53635198
beastmen stuff. hoping they don't update them to AoS shit until i finish buying what i want

>>53635225

I wouldn't worry, I don't really think GW can cut the range back anymore without people leaving.

In many years time though, when the moulds wear out, they may not replace them if they're not massive sellers.

Currently anything that is newish and in plastic has already been paid for and even if they make a handful a week it's all profit for them.

>>53635225
Beware, anon.

This is how it starts.

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>>53635225
>Ghorghon/Cygor kit gone
>Bray Shaman gone
I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY RIGHT NOW FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>53635653
theyre both still there for me (US)

>>53635557

Yeah but they've restocked stuff like this multiple times.

They've restocked the Island of Blood reprint twice.

>>53635723
bestigors have been out of stock for about a month. It's spooky.

>>53636061

If people want them I would recommend they click 'e-mail me' as GW use this to gauge interest.

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>>53636160
yeah i've done this. I ordered all the stuff I could from my local game shop (10% discount) but they can only order 2 of the miniature sets since the rest are webstore exclusives

>>53632127
Yeah that's really bad. I get the issue at hand, but if he's an openly practising chaos worshipper, he'd be slain anywhere in the Empire, with extreme prejudice. That's like walking around Israel shouting "ALLAHU AKBAR!".

Unless he has some strange way to make that work, I don't know what to tell you.

>>53636208

I recommend we all do him a favour and 'e-mail' me the entire OOS Beastmen range.

>>53636309
What the fuck is the Beastmen range even under now?
Don't know any of these AoS names

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>>53636361
its in the aos section under chaos

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>>53636380
>Categories that only have one model

>>53636432

Army Book: Hellcannon

A 120p supplement for Chaos that tells you the history of the Chaos Hellcannon's, how to paint them in over 407 different way and how to field your collection of Hellcannons on the Warhammer tabletop.

RRP £25.

>>53636546
Most of the pages are just overlarge inages of the model in a single paintjob from different angles, and the text is so big you can squint and read it.

why did they make cannons so cheesy in 8th

>>53637179
So that people bought more infantry instead of monstrous creatures since you need to buy more boxes of infantry for the same points = higher revenue

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Are Imperial citizens really all that better off than Bretonnian peasants?

>>53638942

Depends, Bretonnians who live on the Lords land will basically work for him and get paid in kind though a bed to sleep in and so many meals a day or he'll keep a portion of the produce.

In the Empire the cottage industries of the small towns will live very well of, but the farmers will rent the land off the owners and the owners will only accept coin and if you don't have enough your destitute.

>>53638942
Marginally better social mobility due to a larger and more influencial bourgeois merchant class. Peasants are peasants though.

>>53638942
this is pretty cool, what is it from?

What are some markets to check for Warhammer stuff other than eBay, Amazon, and Craigslist? Not having much luck on those sites.

>>53639394
Vermintide concept art. It's in one of the developer blogs.

Anybody have tips for painting horns? Not sure what color they ought to be. Dark grey? Bone colored?

>>53639727
I'd guess bone with an agrax earthshade wash? Depends on the overall color of whatever else you're going for, though - a brown-furred beastman would need different colored horns than a grey-furred Rhinox

>>53639573

Is Bartertown still a thing?

>>53631415
>Roman legionaries didn't use two handed weapons as far as I know

With the exception of spears/pikes and polearms two handed weapons were extremely rare historicallly speaking as there wasn't much use for them. IRL overkill is a waste of resources.

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So last chance lads. What do you think is going to be charlemanged from the High Elf Roster tomorrow?

I really hope those dumb chariots and phoneixs are gone.

>>53641278
Seeing how other factions have chariots (the Norscan raiders having a love affair with them), I'd be surprised if they didn't keep them. And I actually think they're a little cool - fucking lions, man.

>>53641305
The lion ones I don't mind. Its the stupid flying ones. They look hideous on the tabletop.

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>>53639727
What type of bone are we talking about?
For pic related I used the guide provided here
https://youtu.be/urm-lWXxtJ0?t=35s

>>53641320
I disagree strongly, I think they look magnificent. I like Phoenixes too.

Honestly, HE have a much smaller roster so I don't think anything needs to be limited. At most Sisters of Avelorn, Shadow Warriors, Tiranoc Chariots, Dragon Princes, or Great Eagles.

>>53641502
>Great Eagles

Literally appeared in the Lizardmen trailer. Also, one of the "faction-specific battle abilities" that CA planned to add is the ability to summon eagles in a siege if the High Elves have constructed a certain structure in their settlements.

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I'm not much of a High Elf fan, so I'm curious: it seems like most High Elves have scale or lamellar skirts or arm armor, but they usually wear a breastplate. In fact, even units that wear no other armor seem to have a breastplate.

Are there units that don't wear breastplates, and instead wear full scale or lamellar armor? Most I can find are older editions of Archers.

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>>53642160
There are odd bits here and there.

>>53641278

I only ever hated the phoenix's because the frost one was broken.

>>53642160

Yeah they usually have a chestplate on top and lamellar on bottom.

Don't know why GW decided this but it's kind of become both the High and Dark Elves motif.

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>>53642654
Although the Dark Elves switch the lamellar out for mail.

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>>53642654
I guess that's how it developed over time - you think it'd be nice to not have breastplates to differentiate them from other factions where they were common, but maybe it's just too good a look.

>>53638942
>you don't have to pay 9/10 of your food in taxes and aren't restricted from leaving your electorate by law
I'd say their lives to a Brettonian peasant are a wasteful and slothful existence in luxury.
They get fucking paid! What nonsense is that!

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I found this on a search through my files, figured it'd be good to share.

>>53643287
If nothing else, the pictures of warbands can be interesting to look at. I like the Bretonnian Ogres towards the end.

>>53643374

They are quite nice to look at.

This size of army, or maybe a bit bigger, is what they should have focused the main game around. By 8th it's what Fantasy desperately needed.

>>53643428
I think the Warbands themselves seem a little small - they're large enough to be miniature versions of larger armies, but not quite large enough for flexibility in units, for any sort of numbers. They're interesting to play with for scenarios like mentioned - patrols, small armies, growing forces - but you aren't going to get the feel of a larger army out of them.

8th was definitely too much though, I'm not arguing against that. Just that the Warband forces are meant with the smaller scale in mind, when I think something midway would work best.

Fresh out the oven

>>53644138
>>53644138
>>53644138

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>>53638942
Reminds me of pic related