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>>53580356
>heroic self-sacrifice
That's a suckers game. A good rogue ALWAYS has someone else ready to take the fall and a contingency for every happenstance.

>>53580382
Game already started, but thanks for the help. I was mostly just wondering if there was anything cool that could be done with Wild Talent (and probably another Psionic Feat) that meshed well with already existing spellcasting.

>>53580409
Depends on the kind of Rogue

>>53580356
Literally every character I've ever made, I've made in hopes that there'd be an appropriate opportunity for a tragic sacrifice.

>>53580426
I'm talking of the Erevis Cale variety.

>>53580356
>Heroic self sacrifice.
I've made good antagonists that served as such but as far as actually playing characters the only one that ever managed to get to that point had a way to survive afterward.

>>53580356
That depends what's at stake.

She has a very specific group of people that are about the only thing she really doesn't handwave away in her great, cosmically famous indifference.

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>>53580356
Haha! Time to shill Thursday Night Wuxia!
>Not a garbage GM
>Schedule's full but he tries to find time
>Won't bamboozle you
>Petty much open to 3PP

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/79068/journey-to-the-west

Now if you will excuse me, I need to get drunk. I'm already there, haha

>>53580486
Chinese necromancers are hot

>>53580486
Wish my Thursday weren't closed. They were available until about a week ago.

And another one bites the dust for Ensoulment. Who do you think is next?

>>53580500
I feel ya, man.

>>53580505
Ryoko, Broodie's endless revisions speak of uncertainly and struggle.

>>53580486
>Not a garbage GM
I've heard a lot of stories about various Argentum sessions that get cancelled because of his schedule, and then also can't re-schedule because he's running so much stuff. Also some allegations about nepotism in his roster picks.

>>53580505
I keep betting on the wrong horses. Jericho is my main race horse but DHB might drop tomorrow if he gets into Ironfang, or in a couple weeks if he gets into JttW.

>>53580491
Technically Chinese Necromancer Mythic Vampire Lord with and undisclosed Charisma score that is at least 40.

>>53580505
Not sure. In contrast, who's the least likely to drop?

AAAAH DO I PLAY A SAMURAI FOR FLOWER COURT OR FOR JTTW? AAAAAH

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So! Who all's excited for the weekend? Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?

Do I have to be Evil or leaning Evil to take Black Seraph discipline?

My character's got demon ancestry and will play it out to spite pallies and arrogant good-doers but the alignment is actually Neutral, maybe even leaning Good.

>>53580557
Both.

>>53580557
Neither. Samurai are garbage.

Hey, my DM has decided to run Jade Regent and everyone at the table has heard that the caravan rules just are not very good. Does anyone have any pdfs or anything to help with that.

>>53580557
Why not both?

>>53580486
>>53580491
Man, should have made my app a necromancer. Oh well, straight sword guy it is.

>>53580557
Bushi! Be a Bushi Warder and charm shrine maidens with your Artistry (Poetry) checks!

>>53580535
Flagrant, naked nepotism. He basically circle-jerks with his friends and if you're lucky your character gets to do 'one thing' that's remotely engaging with the story.

>>53580569
>pdfs or anything
I can fix your problem in three words: Don't use them.
The best way to modify caravan rules is to just run any encounter that would use them as a normal encounter. Sure, it might be slower, but just put the caravan wagons on the battle mat and have the PCs have to defend them from monsters.

>>53580599

He's in deep with the cabal and may be the true commander of it.

>>53580565
>>53580579
I'm not a huge fan of playing the same character theme in concurrent games, mostly. Lord knows I won't actually get in to both though.

>>53580567
And what's your idea then, bully.

>>53580612
This. It's not bloody difficult.

>>53580535
>>53580599
Is this true or just shitposting

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>Slow making a waifu
>IKiD making a husbando
>Sleep making an old man
Is it fucking opposite day or some shit?

>>53580561
Going to a convention, plotting ways to deal with flight and invisibility as I learn to better DM at mid and higher levels.

>>53580644
old men are also husbandos

>>53580644

Maybe they all just got tired of the same old character archetypes because they already get mad [LOGS] in like 3-5 games each.

Maybe they're looking for variety.

>>53580615
Deer riding Cavalier

>>53580486
>>53580491
Would it be taboo to play a Necromancer myself? Surely there would be rival necromancer factions that don't want to see Ling gain power. I just want to be a spooky.

>>53580696
ask him

Are Argentum and Protagonist on the same Discord?

>>53580642
You'll never know until you've experienced it for yourself.

>>53580642
I don't see anyone denying it

Did ironfang get announced?

>>53580708

They're both in the cabal discord, I think.

Don't know about the other one.

Ever since the exodus, the general discord is just full of really rude NEETs posting 24/7, and they keep inviting their annoying friends.

Is DHB part of the cabal?

>>53580732
There's a cabal discord?

>>53580732
Nobody knows the Cabal Discord link, huh?

>>53580758
If you were in the cabal, you'd already know.

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>>53580689
I take back my comment of bully. You're a real nigga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y85Er8-5yk

>>53580766
t. Broodie / Slow / Succula

>>53580761

Invite only. Sorry, it's better if things are kept smaller.

>>53580724
Deadline for apps is Sat at 11:59pm CDT. I'll have the invites sent out over the next day.

>>53580761
See >>53580766

>>53580761
there is no cabal discord link

People joked about the discord cabal before, but now there actually is one.

>>53580788
Whoever runs the 2nd discord disables all invites.

>>53580788

Kawase and Toad are THAT terrible.

So are all their terrible friends that seem to have joined them in constantly NEETposting and being rude people in general.

>>53580771
Much respect, my nigga.

>>53580788
>>53580803
>They aren't in the 4th discord

>>53580644
Just wait, Sleep's guy is going to turn out to be in his 20s and just pretending to be an old dude.

>>53580803
>Whoever
It's Broodie.

>>53580819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdBYxiHjxwI
>It even has a track titled "Journey to the West"

Well, now I feel lame with my samurai question.

>>53580561
Player A in my group is leaving to move out of state. In the last campaign my group played (I run now, but that one was ran by Player B), Player A had to miss the final session when we stormed the BBEG's fort and took them down. Player B suggested to me that instead of running another session of my current campaign, I let him run a final final session of our last campaign, as a kind of farewell gift to Player A. I think that idea is great, and am also looking forward to breaking out my old character one last time.

On the other hand, I might be canceling the campaign I've been running too, since we're losing a player. I'm still unsure whether I want to salvage things or not.

>>53580644
>Inb4 Slow steps on Ceraphine's toes with a thirty something widow

Only difference is it would be a Warder (ZS), no doubt.

Will someone from here please run a 5e game? I like the people here but I can't stand playing Pathfinder anymore.

>>53580814
Kawase and Toad are like opposites
Kawase seems to be fairly good when he's actually on topic. Star is only pasably bearable when he's not on topic because he doesn't know what he's talking about like 100% of the time.

>>53580901
Go talk to 5eg about it.

>>53580901

Sure, but what kinda flavor do you want, senpai?

Also, share me your discord ID. I wanna do this invite-only.

>>53580839
So shouldn't we just boycott them from all games ever?

>>53580907
>when he's actually on topic
Well that's the problem isn't it?

Is all the anti-Jericho stuff cabal shitposting due to DHB scorning their invitation to join them?

>>53580921

That sounds like a great way to get ostracised from 95% of /pfg/ games. It's called the cabal for a reason.

Also Broodie is really nice, and it is not wrong for them to be so tired of the rude normies in the general to open up a server for friends.

>>53580921
>boycott the cabal
>the cabal of the people who run "all games ever"
Please, go ahead and do exactly that.

>>53580944
I think people just don't like his character, otherwise you'd see more shitposting about Isao (ignored), CCC (top of the poll besides Mouse and tied with Ceraphine), and other non-cabals.

>>53580945
Kawase and Darjeeling were annoying but nowhere near splitting the server, considering Kawase stopped being annoying and Darjeeling fucked off right after.

>>53580921
>boycott the DM
hmm

>>53580973
The only thing worse than ruse games is games run by circle-jerking cabalers.

>>53580991
Name a game that wasn't run by cabalists.

>>53581005
Chalice and Ensoulment are noncelebs right?

>>53580991

Time to play devil's advocate.

What if they get into all the games because they're better writers in general, and all these games are text-based? Why wouldn't someone prefer a partner they have experience with over a relative unknown factor?

>>53581014

Protag became a de facto celebrity by being a highly prominent reviewanon for a month or two.

He also got shit on for self-shilling, and he did the right thing and laid off instead of going full Rory.

He's alright in my book.

>>53581014
Cabalites though.

>>53581014
I didn't say non-celebs, I said non-cabalists.

>>53580987
More specifically because DHB scorned their advanced.

>>53581046
>>53581039
Well how do you judge who's cabal?

>>53581050
I don't think they'd hate DHB more than they'd hate Kawase since he got them mad enough to outright leave.

>>53581038
>What if they get into all the games because they're better writers in general, and all these games are text-based?
They're really not that great. They are decent, but very repetitive and part of their 'charm' is they play similar concepts across several games.

>>53581005
What counts as a cabalist? Anybody who has a Discord?

>>53581089
The very fact that they are in the discord or not.

>>53581038
>What if they get into all the games because they're better writers in general, and all these games are text-based? Why wouldn't someone prefer a partner they have experience with over a relative unknown factor?
Reasonable, doesn't help when you think you've made a quality app and get turned down anyway.

>>53581089
>Well how do you judge who's cabal?
If they're in the cabal, dumbass.

>>53581106
What if they're in both discords though
Like Wist, say.

>>53581095

I agree, but once again, you can't really fault people for preferring their friends.

Now you absolutely CAN and SHOULD fault them for pretending to have an open application process when they're going to autopick friends, or when they're really just dick-picking, or having behind-the-scenes ERP interviews.

>>53581123
Did I make a distinction? They're equally cancerous.

>>53581123
Cabal but with more mental fortitude than Broodie.

>>53581135
Or Mede and like half the other celebs.
>>53581132
>wist
>cancerous
hmmm

>>53581112

Your writing is shit. Your characters are boring.

I don't even like the cabal weebslut flavor, but most applications are pure garbage.

>>53580921
Guys, it's a porn discord.

All people post there is hentai.

>>53581146
>the cabal is hoarding all the good porn

Fucking criminals.

>>53581143
>Circlejerking Discord cabalist
Shit, no exception.

>>53581144
>weebslut
I resent that remark! I'm being a Chinese stereotype character this time!

>>53581005
Dragon games 1 and 2

>>53581144
Of course you can do that, since 'shit' and 'boring' are opinions and you don't even need to justify those.

>>53581161
wist is alright in my book
>nice person
>good roleplayer
>good writer in general, of both characters and erp
>didn't explode over what amounted to minor shitposting leading to a discord schism

>>53581169

The cabalites are all F-List veterans who have honed their craft building profiles and text blurbs that are intriguing enough to stand out in a bloated meat market.

Their skills are on a level above yours.

>>53581186
That's nice. I don't care.

>>53581166
Confirmed for not actually knowing who's in the cabal.

>>53581193
How do I become the man who toppled the cabal?

I for one hope to induct several fresh faces into the Discord Cabal through my game.

>>53581193
Guess that's why Ryoko took forever to become decent and still is just 'decent'.

>>53581193
Is this ironic or not?

>>53581208

Run a game. Don't accept cabal members.

It looked like PtD was gonna be the one, but apparently not.

>>53581250
macro isn't cabal?

>>53581127
But aren't all of the games recruited for in this general guilty of those very sins? I know for a fact Flower Court is.

>>53581217
t-thanks

Working on her 120489452th rewrite now i pray for death

>>53581193
Who the hell is in the cabal anyhow?

>>53581274
Ask >>53581272

>>53581266
How do you know that? Post proof or you're full of shit.

>>53581274
everyone thats cool :^)

>>53581290
kys Broodie

>>53581266

Protagonist has been very open about what he's wanted, which has caused no end of misery for people. He's also told several cabalites that their characters are 100% unsuitable for play.

He's one of the good ones.

>>53581161
sounding like Paizo there buddy
>White males, all shit no exceptions

>>53581302
I'd glad he's open about what he wants, this is the first game where I've felt challenged to create a great character for

>>53580651
Since when was Sleep's schtick husbandos? I thought he just made animu fuccbois?

>>53581266
Eagle despite his tendency to in recruiting early when the app number reaches critical mass is one of the cool ones

>>53581329
The difference is that it's true here.

>>53581272
Your character is too passive and nondescript, and you're aiming for the most saturated ideal slot.

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>>53581302
>tfw brotag likes my character

>>53581144

> boring

People apply 'boring' to every app though, except memes, sluts, and celebs. Nothing else registers.

>>53581330
Tell me about it, I don't actually want to play but I want to get chosen only to feel smug about it.

>>53581368
I agree on all counts, though I'm not sure how to alter her ideals.

>>53581302
>He's also told several cabalites that their characters are 100% unsuitable for play.
Where? Cabal?

>>53581371
I know that feel, and it feels good.

>>53581367
So there's no difference :^)

>>53581381
It would immediately help a lot if you tacked on a "don't lie to those you love, even for their own good" subideal, under an ideal for honesty. According to her backstory, that's exactly why her boyfriend isn't here along with her.

>>53581381

Alter her ideals. Or scrap the character and move on.

You've fallen into the trap of being too in love with a particular concept when the end result has proven to be lackluster.

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>>53581388
Amen, brother.

Alright, /pfg/, describe your character with a classical music piece. If I see one soundtrack, vocal piece, or anything made after 1950, I'm going to boop you.

>>53581451
Greensleeves

>>53581416
Maybe, I dunno. She's just lacking enough punch right now in a lot of ways, I have a lot of little ideas i'm work shopping around for a pretty significant rework.

My biggest current criticism of my own work on Ryoko right now is that she's a bit too nebulous, you can kind of project anything onto her and be right because of her vengeance focused mindset, which has taken me absolutely the wrong direction as I found myself going down that rabbithole.


>>53581425
Hence why my current rework is pretty extensive, there are fixable things and there aren't, and fundamentally her ideals may not be something alterable about the character. I'd rather compete for the spot I want with my best rather than do something I don't like.

>>53581451
Tank by cowboy bebop.

Now boop my snoot

>>53581451
>classical music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUogZWhlyt0

>>53581486
Consider your snoot booped, fucking dummy.

>>53581451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UY7eDRXrs

>>53581451
Peter and the Wolf

>>53581365
He makes dashing swordsmen who are desperate for validation in a world that either ignores or reviles them.

>>53581451
Danse Macabre

>>53581451
Marche Slave

>>53581451
https://youtu.be/khchqRIPN4U

>>53581451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHVsszW7Nds
Particularly Mars, the Bringer of War, which is the first movement.

This suite is responsible for inspiring many movie scores, notably many of John Williams' Star Wars.

>>53581365
>>53581558

He makes animal dick delivery systems with a thin veneer of dashing swordsman duct taped over the animal dong.

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>>53580356
What's the best Sorcerer bloodline for a melee build?

>>53581717

Dragon probably.

>>53581717
The new Shapeshifter bloodline is pretty fucking good. Otherwise, Orc/Abyssal give you inherent strength bonuses and shit, so there's that.

>>53581717
Abberant for reach most likely.

I hope the RotJR guys have fun!

>>53581742
What's the source material for that?

>>53581755
Legacy of the First world, courtesy of leakanon

>>53581714
Isn't he playing Ruby Tuesday in FotJR? That's a human.

>>53581481
Nebulousness is just going to happen due to her core concept unless you expand it massively to expound on the details. Ironically, the one app that probably doesn't need to be long at all because of how clear the ideal is by itself is the longest of them all.

>>53581778

Does he have a human penis?

>>53581778
Ensured the delivery of Etan's fox dick into Shayliss though.

>>53581771
Aw, missed the leaks.

>>53581787
I think mainly she's just too 'punisher' right now, and not enough 'spiderman'

if that makes any kind of sense at all

>>53581794

THE PATTERN HOLDS, SO SAY WE ALL

>>53581796
Magical sex witch.

>>53581790
I assume so!

>>53581794
Shayliss was doing that all on her own, Rubella came along to stuff another hole.

Alright /pgg/ I have a bit of a story before i ask my question, so I am a player in an upcoming game but will be leaving it in September since I am moving, with this in mind the DM and I have made a plan for my character an I am wondering if any of you as another player in the campaign would be annoyed by this plan.

Essentially I am going to be a goblin alchemist disguised as a halfling, and after I leave the DM will reveal my characters goblin identity and betray the party.

However I am taking a goblin only archetype and we plan to explain this away by saying my character studied and picked up the archetype in the goblin nation (it's a renaissance era world and monsters have their own nation).

Really I am just asking if as a player you would be annoyed or pissed by the lying we will have to do to pull this off.

How shit does this sound for a flower court app?

Guy wants to be a hero because he feels fighting is what gives him a place in this world, and though he was a renowned gladiator or something, he wants to be champion to let others like him know it's possible to find their place.

>>53581849
You're gonna need a few more pages of that before anyone is even gonna pretend to notice, dude.

>>53581847

I had a GM do this and I thought the players would be cool, but apparently all it did was turn all the players against me and the game collapsed.

The GM shrugged.

I wasn't very happy.

>>53581849
Why doesn't he just become a teacher?

>>53581876
I meant for fitting the campaign, not thread memes.

>>53581888
You mean like open up his own school or something to teach others how to fight/

>>53581894
Yes, and you're still gonna need a lot more than that. At least post a picture along with it.

How do you get the urge to roleplay or even believe people want to care about you when the world seems to be crushing you under its cold, indifferent feet?

>>53581742
>>53581771
>Shapeshifter bloodline

Link or what does it do?

>>53581906
Yeah.

So what happened to Dreamscarred Press? I know Patreon altered their business model a lot but it seems like they basically lost any ability to deliver a product? They can't seem to meet their patreon deadlines, they still havent got path of war's errata done, they don't seem to have announced anything new and the devs dont seem to speak here or on GITP or on their own forums anymore.

>>53581939
>Devs LITERALLY ACTIVE on GITP
>Highlord recently released

I'll give you the PoW. Are you just trying to stir up shit or?

>>53581918
+CL for transmutation spells on self arcana
Bunch of good spells, decent enough feats
1 Unarmed Strike and count fists as 1 size higher
3 (big one) 1/day change min/level transmutation spell on self to 10min/level, improves at 9 to 1HOUR/level
9 is meh
15 is immunity to polymorph and some shit
capstone don't recall

>>53581939

Probably like every other dev of any game ever: They hit the big time, and so took the money and ran, leaving only a skeleton staff until it inevitably collapses.

>>53581939
They started as retail workers doing part-time system building, and that part-time job ended.

>write out the rest of your backstory for JttW
>Wrote it out late at night with no coffee or caffeine
>While comprehensible it's long as fuck and a bit weird

So how okay is it to stuff that long backstory into Google docs or a pastebin and offer a shorter, more condensed version? Is that good application etiquette?

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>>53581965
>>53581959
>>53581955

>>53581955
Highlord? I'm not super active on GITP so i must have missed it but it seemed like they were much less active the few times i checked, guess thats my fault.

>>53581985

The alternate story is that they can't meet deadlines because they stopped coming around /tg/ so much in favor of GitP and those normies can't get playtesting and ideafarming work done as fast or as precisely as we can.

>>53581985
Okay, let's ask questions more palatable for the thread.

What kinky sex position do you think each meme character favors?

>>53582018
Psionic asshole who shoves enemies into collectives to gangbang them with his allies who are also in the collective for fun and profit.

>>53582036

It's all just mating presses because that's the hot new hentai trend.

>>53581790
There's only one way to find out.
PM THEM

>>53581908
What if he wanted to open a school like in >>53581906 or something? Renowned swordsman travels to Lote to become a champion to attract people to his school to find a place where they belong, much like he did fighting in gladiator pits or on the streets.

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>>53582021

>>53582036
>>53582058

I bet Rory likes doggystyle or the full nelson

>>53582036
Sleep's characters seem to be into standing full nelson.

>>53582069
That seems like really solid NPC material.

What's the most hotly contested character archetype in Ensoulment?

>>53582075
>>53582093

Is this some sort of meme or logleak I haven't heard about

>>53582046
So like... a Tactician but he puts enemies in the collective? Or one of those couple of Vitalist Archetypes? I mean it sounds cool but it also sounds exactly like the Tactician and a couple of its archetypes.

>>53582095
Is it because I'm not a celeb?

Who's got the best JttW app so far?
Me, I'd say Wen Yijun is looking pretty solid.

>>53582099
Protag already called it out.

>I have absolutely nothing against the prevalent tone of the characters written thus far, but I am concerned that the applicants are stifling their creativity in an attempt to conform to a restrictive mold that I never meant to exist. Ultimately, I am going to want to recruit a party of players with diverse passions, philosophies, and yes, tones, and so many applicants piling onto the same general areas in each of these regards is making things more difficult for me and making competition harder than it needs to be for you. Take, for example, the character philosophy of "I want to be an inspiration to the common people that they too can be heroic and achieve their dreams", this is a great angle, but it could describe one of a dozen or more applicants at this time, and thus every new applicant which chooses that angle is in direct competition with those apps for a single slot (maybe two or three at most) rather than in competition for one of six slots.

>>53582099

According to protag: "Champion of the people"

>>53582058
I figure Branwen's a huge fan of that, considering she's tiny and the mating press is about engulfing your partner.

>>53581914

By realizing the world is a bastard anyway, and not letting that fact keep you from being happy or doing the things you love.

>>53582109
No, it just doesn't really seem like there's much of a heroic angle going on there. It's literally advertisement for his school.

Why is DHB such a fucking memeing faggot that he puts theme songs for all his characters?

>>53582134

Actual diagnosed autism.

>>53582133
Isn't the game about defining what a hero is?

>>53582104
In Sleep's case it's literally on his character's lists.
https://www.f-list.net/c/kyras%20czarny/

>>53582112
Wen is literally a human Sun Wukong.

>>53582104
the only way to find out is to PM THEM

>>53582112
I'm quite liking Mira (the first kitsune, oh boy) and Koji who seems to be a sweet boy

>>53582134
Life aint fun without em. Though if I'm honest i think its most fun when the DM picks the theme songs.

>>53582143
Yes, but there's no real drive going on there for a big goal.

>>53582160
>Older Women

What did he mean by this?

>>53582160

>no males

HEARTBREAK

>>53582112
Wen > Koji / Reimu > Mira > Oni imho

>>53582186
So what are you meaning by "real drive" and "big goal"? Define those.

>>53582106
Tactician is the full caster
Highlord is the 6th level caster.

>>53582198
Look at the other ones that are getting shilled in the thread
Ceraphine, CCC, Rintaelle are the big ones, Itsuko behind them. Their dreams are mostly 'larger than life'.

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>>53582160
>Yelled "Miralda" during sex
He's into some weird shit.

>>53582189
>Raised by an elf
>Had a crush on his cool big sis
>Never got to say goodbye or admit his feelings
I think that's what he meant by it.

>>53582220
Ech. He could've yelled out weirder shit.

How would you port a meme game like Dragons or RotJR into Starfinder? Sandpoint was all a simulation?

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>>53582195

>>53582249
>Never got to say goodbye or admit his feelings
w-what

>>53582215
>Ceraphine
>Dream larger than life
It's literally just "protect this kid" and "stop the 'darkness' that will destroy society". I've never gotten the hype behind her. Is it thirst?

>>53582249
I meant does this mean he's turned on by Franze?

>>53582215
>all female characters and celeb players

>>53582264
See above.

>>53582264
Oh Ceraphine is just literally out of arthurian fantasy which is why people like that one

Rules question: when a druid uses wild shape, he gets the natural attack of her new form. But if the new form's natural attacks has some extra damage (like fire or ability damage, or ability drain), does the druid get them too?
Example: a Cave Druid (who can assume the form of an ooze) wild shapes as an Immortal Ichor (ooze from bestiary 4); this creature's slam attack inflicts 6d6 plus 1d3 Wis drain. Will the Druid drain 1d3 wis per attack?

>>53582215
Can anyone tell me why they think Itsuko's app is good?

>>53582253

Dragons 1 gets frozen by something frozen-y, then blasted into space, and thawed out. Dragons 2 has their descendants be put into one of those Assassin's Creed machines that does genetic memories and shit, and the kids just so happen to take a LOT after their ancestors.

RotJR is probably just a really advanced simulation.

>>53582282
Kino. That's it.

>>53582272
Not my fault most of the men are either bad or one of the sixty "hero" applicants.

>>53582282
dunno, but a lot of people like it apparently

>>53582272
So it is thirst.

>>53582272
>celeb players
Luci and Kawase are hardly 'celeb' players.

>>53582297
Which male apps are/are not bad?

>>53580535
Most of the Pendragon/Shardwalkers sessions that were cancelled were due to other people being shitters besides the time he was moving (which is over now so it's not a problem?).

>>53580642
It's just shitposting.

>>53581955
>Highlord
>released
>still in playtest
You're a dummy.

>>53582261
It was in his backstory. He was part of an acting troupe, but then river trolls happened.

>>53582215
So I should make the character female, is that what you're saying?

>>53582297
Which "Hero" applicants do it best, though?

>>53582284
>>53582253
>RotJR is a simulation

But... What does this mean their players are in the "real world?" Is Onryou's player a burly Soldier, or Corwin's an Envoy who likes to stab shit?

And then Casimir and Valeriya's players have a crush going between them and they vicariously realize said crush through campaigns.

>>53582330
Make her an older woman and you have this in the bag.

>>53582357
That kinda clashes with my idea for them to be a former gladiator or street rat though.

>>53582376
I don't see how.

>>53582309
Niccolo is kind of bad. Giancarlo and Alexander are both good, but are 'paragon of the people' types which is oversaturated and a bad idea to copy for someone asking how to 'fix' their character. Isao and Aedrannas are both bad AND paragon types. I abstain from commenting on DHB. Rodrick is weird and I don't even know how to judge him - can memearcho-capitalism and edge even be considered in the running despite Protag's expanded subject?

>>53582332
Giancarlo and Ceraphine I'd say, maybe Alexander. Witch isn't really a hero but is relatively solid in that aspect anyway. Rinta and CCC are really good applications that are NOT heroic, which is why I pointed it out. Not my fault they're both girls.

>>53581771
Nobody has a copy?

It's not in the mega :(

>>53582416
It'll probably be in soon-ish
Paging QANON

>>53582416
check the archive mate

>>53582284
>Implying Saboten will not one day soar through the sky, immortal and drifting through the vastness of space.

>>53582410
And what about the female apps?

>>53582384
Maybe it's just because I've thought of the character as male for a while.

>>53582410
Would making this character male be a "bad" app like the others?

>>53582431
You're implying Saboten's player won't be a huge whore and pleasuring the crew on the regular.

>>53582410
>Witch
>Hero
never intended for this to happen, she was always more of a "guide" type
To be fair, Witch was based off a much edgier character who was made into a goody-two-shoes by campaign mandate, who then was adapted to this character and now has seen a shitton of rewrite (mostly addition) to be less generic hero type. She has about 900% more SPIRIT now.

>>53582410
Witch was confirmed to be NPC-tier as of last thread, though. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

>>53582477
>one post
>"confirmed"
the horse you're on is practically smoking heroin at this point, anon

>>53582433
Dude just look at the female apps. Only Ceraphine even seems to be a heroic type and she's not even a paragon. The reason I didn't list any female heroes is because none really exist - Serena was one, but she's been deleted.

>>53582443
>Would making this character male be a "bad" app like the others?
No, obviously not, if it's a good app. Alex and Giancarlo are both unequivocally good, they're just in a saturated spot. In fact like, look through the male apps - most of them are just supposed to be heroes, period. The women aren't all heroes, or even majority heroic, so it's inevitable that the good nonheroes have been women so far.
Just don't try too hard to 'edge out' a character to make it distinct but heroic, that's usually a recipie for disaster.

>>53582477
>confirmed
Until it comes from Protagonist all of this shit is opinion-based boyo. Why is she NPC-tier anyway, I'm not seeing it.

>>53582519
So in your opinion, does >>53582069 sound like confirmed NPC?

>>53582519
>Why is she NPC-tier anyway, I'm not seeing it.

Maybe you could try looking at her app beyond the pretty Granblue picture. She's a very suspicious person who refuses to die and came back chanting about hope like she came straight outta Danganronpa.

All this flower court talk depends 100% on what the GM considers a hero to be. Ask a dozen people and you'll get a dozen answers.

I prefer humble beginnings and sort of normal people who overcome shitty circumstances to do good. But many people will argue that a normal person can't be a hero at all - the tone is off - and real heroes are larger than life and only get larger. Some will say it comes down to ideals, some down to actions, some down to how a person carries himself, and so on.

What do you guys think of the latest Flower Court app?

>>53582519
>Dude just look at the female apps. Only Ceraphine even seems to be a heroic type and she's not even a paragon.

Isn't Derrin literally a paladin with a wuxia code?

Both Mouse and the Mouse are both incredible characters who I hope get into Ensoulment!

>>53582625
Just say it's your app and that you're looking for constructive criticism.

>>53582582
>Maybe you could try looking at her app beyond the pretty Granblue picture
I barely noticed the picture, it doesn't click with me.

>She's a very suspicious person who refuses to die and came back chanting about hope like she came straight outta Danganronpa.
So?

>>53582571
Not necessarily, but here's the real issue - unless your entire shtick is 'might makes right is True Culture', this makes you sound 'drifty'. If that is, in fact, what you're in for (or simply in for fame and glory, which is perfectly fine per-Protagonist), then just make sure to make the character fleshed out to an extent instead of a meme.

>>53582588
>All this flower court talk depends 100% on what the GM considers a hero to be. Ask a dozen people and you'll get a dozen answers.
But it doesn't. He doesn't want one type of hero. That's the entire point. He wants the dozen people in a party. Ensoulment isn't about spreading a heroic ideal, it's about deciding what a heroic ideal even means through party interaction. The entire point is that he wants 2 LG Paladins, one from high and one from low, a LE guy who just wants the best for himself and wants it honestly, someone who's TN and just thinks that moderation and advancement is the way, someone who might think that understanding each other is the real key and another person who is just above morality altogether. The party is supposed to be half a dozen people who don't agree on what makes a man a hero.

>>53582661
Ain't NOBODY got time to read that shit yo.

>>53582661
Nobody has actually read Derrin.

>>53582662
by_the_power_of_baitskull.jpg

>>53582519
I'll be making a heroic female, in a way. Expect it by the end of the weekend, Anon.

>>53582690
Y-you got me.

>>53582698
>So?
The entire character is a very poor fit. That's the problem.

>>53581794
those three are humans though

>>53581451
The 1812 Overture.

Tchaikovsky yes!

TCHAIKOVSKY ALWAYS YES!

>>53582707
>>53582625
I would give you my reply but I don't think it's necessary
considering I already reviewed it

>>53582726

https://youtu.be/bZ9-PFes3mM

>>53582714
>The entire character is a very poor fit. That's the problem.
Why? Protagonist has explicitly said that being shady or whatever is literally not a problem.

>>53582714
Why do you think she's a poor fit?
>>53582726
>not Wagner
step up your game

>>53582698

> But it doesn't. He doesn't want one type of hero. That's the entire point. He wants the dozen people in a party. Ensoulment isn't about spreading a heroic ideal, it's about deciding what a heroic ideal even means through party interaction.

Isn't he reviewing some of the apps and telling people if they are suitably heroic or not? That strikes me as already having an opinion on what heroism is, rather than letting the campaign decide.

>>53582701
>>53582698

I didn't read that fucking novel either. It's in the philosophy section.

>>53582759
>>53582768
>Why
I outlined it earlier. She's a total nutter who's not good at keeping it under wraps like more lauded apps. Which isn't a problem since she's supposed to be an NPC.

>>53582791
Yep, lots of apps are getting blasted for not being properly heroic in some way.

>>53582768
A different character could probably wrangle some Offenbach. The ol' Infernal Galop.

>Trying to help other people with their apps
>Not waiting silently while weaker apps destroy themselves while you analyze the DM and the game to engineer the perfect app

>>53582768
>Wagner
Get on my level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQsgE0L450

>>53582810
>giving weaker apps time to power up to match initially-stronger apps

>>53582791
>Isn't he reviewing some of the apps and telling people if they are suitably heroic or not
I wouldn't know, where the hell is he posting this shit? Certainly not publicly on Roll20. Is it really only available to Cabal Members to view or some shit?

>>53582807
>>53582818
Look I would post Stravinsky but you'd just yell at me for memeing

>>53582698
>might makes right is True Culture
I wasn't thinking that they'd take it that far, but something like "There's two kinds of people. People who need to fight to find their place in life, and those that are content with peace" and then have him work to help the former category. Is that too drifty or small scoped?

>>53582804

Right, and he even has a post up where he told everyone that they were doing it wrong.

The GM has strong opinions on what heroism is. Those will define who gets in. But he isn't spelling it out, so it's a crap shoot.

We really need to workshop some classes on DMing, the bottleneck of applications to good games has gotten unsustainable. If you're a creative enough person to think through some of these overwrought, behemoth like apps then you can run a game. We need to decentralize the power of Pathfinder GMing from the same cabal of psychosexual degenerates.

>>53582863
So we need to seize the means of applying?

>>53582859
I think that could work.

>>53582841
It's in PMs. Did you think he'd publicly humiliate people? They decide whether they'll share what he said to them with the thread.

>>53582878
The players own the means of game production. It is by the sweat of our creativity that games are given shape, made whole. The scheming exploitation of the cabal, which is fed by false acclaim for their ability to martial and utilize others ideas, must be brought down.

>>53582882
Now to figure out what class he is, and if I will try to make him a samurai

>>53582860
>he told everyone that they were doing it wrong
He didn't.

>I have absolutely nothing against the prevalent tone of the characters written thus far, but I am concerned that the applicants are stifling their creativity in an attempt to conform to a restrictive mold that I never meant to exist. Ultimately, I am going to want to recruit a party of players with diverse passions, philosophies, and yes, tones, and so many applicants piling onto the same general areas in each of these regards is making things more difficult for me and making competition harder than it needs to be for you. Take, for example, the character philosophy of "I want to be an inspiration to the common people that they too can be heroic and achieve their dreams", this is a great angle, but it could describe one of a dozen or more applicants at this time, and thus every new applicant which chooses that angle is in direct competition with those apps for a single slot (maybe two or three at most) rather than in competition for one of six slots.
>Please, feel free to be out there with your motivations and philosophies. I promise I am far more adaptable than most people seem to be giving me credit for. As long as you can defend your character's position in an intelligent or coherently passionate way, you are fine. And though it was also in the pre-update tone explanation, I will say again: don't get too hung up on the word "hero", this campaign is more about characters so passionate about something that they want to make everyone else in a new culture passionate about that thing too. Being made into heroes can be just a part of the attaining of that goal.

>>53582897
When have they done so? I have never seen them comment on Protagonist's PMs.

>>53582921
Look up thread for a couple examples of people celebrating that their app was liked. You can cast doubt on them because they're anonymous if you'd like, but I don't think that's a healthy attitude.

>>53582951
There aren't any people saying that Protag approved their app in this thread, what the fuck? The most I'm seeing is people calling out that Protagonist specifically pointed out Paladinman as overdone.
Moreover where are the people specifically saying their apps were taken apart for problems? If so, what was the details?

Anyone have any spicy opinions about Chinese Reimu? Tips, shits, and memes welcome.
https://app.roll20.net/forum/permalink/5113196/

>>53583022
Can you not?

>>53583022
What part of "7. Do not bring Discord discussions into the /pfg/ threads." is hard for you to understand?

>>53582985
>There aren't any people saying that Protag approved their app in this thread,
Literally blind.

>Moreover where are the people specifically saying their apps were taken apart for problems
Alluded to earlier in this very thread.

Could you try being less hostile? It's making it a pain to continue talking with you.

>>53583055
>Literally blind.
Two people giving zero details means nothing m8, I got feedback for it too but where is the proof of people getting told their apps are shit?

>alluded to
People alluded to DHB basically being at war with the "Cabal" too, so what? Hell for all we know they're falseflagging retards hoping for less competition on their nonheroic app.

>>53581815
>Rubella came along to stuff another hole.

Which one? The answer is important.

>>53582768
>i put my music player on random
>suddenly a wild Flight of the Valkyries appears
whoah

>>53583090
>Two people giving zero details means nothing
Wrong! It does. The detail that matters is that they're liked.

>I got feedback for it too
Which was yours?

>but where is the proof of people getting told their apps are shit?
>>53547017
One example.
The fact that they're staying silent on that kinda confirms it's happening.

>>53583054
>>53583046
Gee, it's almost like people want to know that the cabal gives special treatment to their friends and they shouldn't than waste time on apps for their games because the actual party has already been decided by the circle jerk.

>>53583133
>Wrong! It does. The detail that matters is that they're liked
But we knew from the start that Protag was doing reviews.

>>53583090
The only issue with "the cabal" is that people are using it as an excuse to not try. and the occasional asshole who drags things out of it and puts it here

>>53583163
Regardless, the very fact that there are apps Protag likes already means that the suspects can be narrowed down.

>>53583133
Not him, I'm CCC's writer, but my feedback amounted to "can't see anything wrong just remember to update the background". I get that a lot and I'm not sure if that means I'm not being considered to begin with or if DMs actually think my applications are solid enough that they don't know what specifically to improve, or if DMs never give concrete advice so...

>>53583157
>ME
>PART OF THE CABAL
I'd be incredibly surprised if I'm not top ten most hated people by the "Cabal" (although they're not a hivemind).

>>53583201
You're one of the top cabalists, don't try to defend yourself.

>>53583226
wew lad

>>53583165
>excuse
see
>>53583157

>>53583226
>top cabalists
>broodie pissed off the day I decided to stop dragging my feet and actually get a discord, taking half of /pfg/ with him
>I could probably literally suck his dick and still not be able to get invited to his discord
Oh yeah man I'm really thinking

>>53583157
Or, maybe Protagonist likes certain apps because they are actually good, and you can still change his mind by applying with an actually better app. Or at least one that appeals to him more.

>>53583239
>>53583257
i don't care about petty in-feuding details like that

>>53583257
Would you be willing to literally suck his dick, tho? Like, for real?

>>53583268
Even if no better apps show up, it's still possible, probably likely that Protagonist's top 6 apps won't all make it in due to scheduling or complications between now and the end of the month.

Even if you assume ALL the memes are true, it's still worthwhile putting in a strong app if you enjoy making them at all.

>>53583112
I don't even remember. Those LOGS aren't going to be declassified anytime soon.

>>53583314
probably not desu, dicks look stupid as hell when you're not all hot and bothered. It's not even about being gay (although I'm not and wouldn't just for that), it's just about it looking dumb as fuck.

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WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE JOKE LIKE IT'S REAL.

THE CABAL DOES NOT EXIST, IT IS LITERALLY JUST PEOPLE WHO KNOW PEOPLE HAVING PREFERENCES FOR THOSE PEOPLE. THIS IS HOW HUMAN INTERACTION FUCKING WORKS. IT'S NOT A CONSPIRACY, IT'S HIGH SCHOOL.

Elves are for tender loving.

>>53583366
Except the application process doesn't explicitly notify people that there's a good chance their app won't even be considered because 'x' number of slots with invariably go to circlejerking cabalites.

>>53583366
Because some people are bitter they can't also be in the super sekrit klub.

>>53583381
No they're for cocksleeves

>>53583366
Mainly because anyone who gets their jollies by pretending to be retarded slowly attracts real retards
That or only you thought they were joking and 'went along' with the joke.

>>53583381
What about half-elves?

>>53583366
>IT'S HIGH SCHOOL.
This sums up everything wrong with /pgg/.

>>53583381
Elves are for breeding into extinction

>>53583391
>'x' number of slots with invariably go to circlejerking cabalites
"Cabalites" write good applications and they often know the DM so if the DM thinks his app and your app is decent, but knows that the player is a good sort but doesn't know shit about you, who do you think he'd choose? What would a responsible DM choose?

>>53583411
>/pgg/
this sums up everything wrong with /pgg/

>>53583411
>/pgg/
Autism

>>53583421
>"Cabalites" write good applications
love this meme

>>53583403
Cocksleeve just means you enjoy spending your time inside them, that does not exclude tender loving.

>>53583435
>Wist doesn't write good applications
>Slow and Succula don't write good applications
>Sleep doesn't write good applications
>Broodie doesn'tt [usually] write good applications
hmm

>>53583391
Can you name three specific instances where objectively better apps were passed over in favor of a much worse app just because the applicant was the DM's friend?

Since X numbers of slots invariably go to circlejirking cabalists as you say, that shouldn't be hard, right?

>>53583438
Yes it does.

>>53583448
something something Rory

I like the idea of a cabal. You should always gamble on bad odds, if you fail it was a given and if you win it was a triumph.

>>53583421
If the GM has this stable of people he 'loves' and who are such amazing writers then why don't they just pitch their games to them first and THEN once that number of them has been accepted open up applications to the general public so those people are applying on a level playing field?

>>53583201
Ah, sorry Kawase, your PM specifically asked about tone so that was what I addressed, I didn't mean to imply a lack of consideration for your app.

To be honest I did intend to give every applicant full reviews fairly constantly throughout the process, but I've been pretty overwhelmed by the number of applicants, and the number of those who revise their apps constantly and are thus in constant need of new reviews, so I've limited myself to only responding to specific questions for the most part. And I do still give full reviews on request, but have been trying to space out the amount I do at once which leads to backlogs and days off spent on review sprees.

So if you want to ask a specific question, PM me anytime and I'll probably get back to you quickly so long as I'm off work. If you want a full review, PM me and be prepared to wait a few days (or longer if I've reviewed you already).

And in response to some previous discussion about the nature of my critiques, I don't think I've been harsh on very many people, only one I think, for being "unheroic", generally negative reviews are more in the vein of "your character doesn't have a strong reason to be here." Your character doesn't need to be heroic, but they probably ought to have a plan for what to do with all the fame and attention the Princess plans to give them, heroic or no.

I'd only say you are "too unheroic" if your character was an abject coward, defeatist, or directionless egoist. And honestly, even as I write those I think I could imagine characters who could make it work with clever enough writing.

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>>53583381

Elves are for stripping the soul of their lover when he really crosses the line while leaving his godlike magical powers intact and then dumping him into the laps of mortals to become their problem.

>>53583462
Because fact of the matter is that if your app is better than theirs you'll get picked anyway.

>>53583446
When did Succula become a cabalite? I'm not sure I've ever liked a single one of his apps.

>>53583457
Which games did Rory get into, other than Dragons2 (which iirc was randomly picked)? And with which character over which superior applicant?

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>>53583391
>that there's a good chance their app won't even be considered because 'x' number of slots with invariably go to circlejerking cabalites

Okay you little honey bunny, you listen here and you listen good. There is no circlejerk and there is no Cabal. What you are experiencing is the natural product of human interaction. People who play with other people will recognize the qualities of those other people, and either decide they're good players or not. When those people try to join another game, that reputation will follow them and give a bit more incentive to the DM to see them through because those players are KNOWN to be good and friendly and fun.

Why should a DM take a risky investment over a sure-thing?

>>53583472
Why are you so certain?

>>53583450
Explain how it does?

>>53583476
Only Dragons2. Rory will only ever get into Dragons2 because of the log leak unless he makes a new R20 account.

>>53583463
>To be honest I did intend to give every applicant full reviews fairly constantly throughout the process, but I've been pretty overwhelmed by the number of applicants
You hear that, reviewanons?
Hop to it! He needs your help.

>>53583504
So Rory is not a good example, then.

>>53583483
If a GM has sure bets on the side why act like the application process is remotely fair to those who're applying without any knowledge of this? At least be open about the fact you're going to pull from your circlejerk first and then sift through the rest of the people who spent their time and effort.

>>53583463
Ciaphas Cain's awesome for that exact reason

>>53583499
Use your brain.

>>53583517
He's using an ancient ragecomics face, don't bother engaging him.

>>53583463
Oh, my bad I guess, thanks for clearing that up. I guess I'll think of a key question or two later.

>>53583487
Because even though I get passed over despite good reviews from the thread, I can't actually find a single application that was legitimately worse than mine and still got chosen. Ones I think were simply worse than mine existed - but those weren't the ones chosen, the good applications were chosen. And don't make the 'lol guess you need to apply more' argument either, I've been here since the games started and have checked their application threads out on occassion, most of the applicants chosen are objectively more or less solid. Why not show me a few instances of obvious favoritism?

>>53583517
That sounds like something the DMs should be doing, PM the players they know are reliable and then see which ones are willing or interested in getting in.

>>53583446
haha I know it hurts make it stop

I know which celebs play in SotJR, but which ones play in FotJR aside from Sleep?

>>53583463
And a little addendum here. Don't be afraid to bug me if I haven't responded to you at all after a day or so. I will be the first to admit that I am pretty absent-minded and probably saw your request while I was busy, read your app, then thought about it but was unable to reply at the moment.

Then when I got home and was able to reply, I forgot to do so.

Unless I've reviewed you a dozen times you aren't going to annoy me. Actually, even then you probably wont annoy me, but I may become increasingly unresponsive.

>>53583517
Because they only pull from their 'circlejerk' when they actually write good applications.

>>53583554
Nobody, the rest are all the GM's friends

>>53583554
Wist and QANON.

>>53583546
Tbf, I at least remember you applying to RotJR. So that's a but of a benchmark for how long you've been here, even if not a great one.

>>53583572
/u/ magic