You get to add a new faction to 40k and remove an existing one.

Remove Tau

Add Rak'ghol

>>53574162
>remove tau
>replace with kroot

>remove tyranids (GW working on it already in the fluff)
>add squattish empire

>>53574162
>Remove Chaos

>Replace with Men of Iron faction

>>53574162
>remove necrons
>replace with slanni

>>53574162

Remove Imperium (all of it)

Replace with the Terrans from StarCrat.

Remove Orks

Replace with Orcs

>>53574250
Chris please leave

>>53574234
Unironically this.

>>53574262
>Remove Imperium (all of it)
>Replace with the Terrans from Halo

Better?

>>53574162
>>>Add a skaven webway empire in their place to serve as an evil mirror to the imperium.

Did you mean a *good* mirror? Because the Imperium is already evil.

>>53574234
Ugh, go lick the Emprahs rotting balls some more

>>53574234
Alternatively:
>Remove Tau
>Replace with actual alien coalition (Tau/Kroot/Vespids etc can remain as a member species but not the main focus) who joined up for mutual protection against the Imperium

>>53574355

So don't actually replace the tau, just let you write the fluff for them?

Nah

>>53574162
>remove Tau
>replace with post humanist near ascended Dark Age of Technology faction

It would be interesting to see how ten or twenty thousand years of actual human advancement would turn out. Although by that point would they even care what happens in the material reality?

>>53574423
Please no, everyone and their mother has written about wanting a DAoT Humanity faction and it almost always turns into a wankfest that conveniently checks off each and every threat to their continued existence with a solution that's clean, reasonably and terribly dry.

It's like the Reasonable Marines as an entire civilization.

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>>53574185
I would buy a full Rak'Gol army in seconds.

>>53574162
>Astra Militarum
urgh

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>>53574335 #
Ain't even an Imperium fan I prefer Orks personally
I'm all for internal strife and disunity, but the way everything seems to come back to Magic Hell is pretty tedious in my opinion. The Horus Heresy, as the big example, could just occur entirely because Horus was a charasmatic leader leaning on the resentment felt by the military, without any magical corruption at all. I'm not even against the idea of psykers and the Warp in general, I just think it's a boring antagonist verses strife from any other source.

>>53574375 #
>you write the fluff
...I mean, isn't that the point of the thread?
I was also thinking of having units that aren't entirely composed of blueberries.

>>53574162
Remove space marines, they're already dying to Primaris anyway.

Add Hrud Faction with a some lore on the return of Qah.

>>53574332
>God emp is a 'decent' guy. Horned rat is a god who is manifested out of the skaven's collective malice towards all other things that exist.

>Imperial citizens are human, every skaven ever is a psycho of the highest calibur.

>>53574162
>Remove Tau
>Add Demiurg to replace them as the "high tech aliens"

>>53574355
I like this the best.
The fluff mentions many different xenos but we really only see the same few again.
A diverse alliance would make more interesting models too.

>>53574162
>Remove Space Marines
>Replace with bigger Space Marines.

>>53574694
Would that work?

Remove Spess Mehrens.

>>53574273
>Replace space demons with generic robutts

Unironically fuck you.

>>53574162

Remove Dark Eldar
Add Abominable Intelligence Faction.

As an aside, I wouldn't mind if the Tau provoked a real response from the Imperium, got crushed and had to unite their shattered remnants with other Xeno races to go from being the rather one dimensional Tau Faction to being a very varied Xenos Faction.

>>53574162
>>53574234

>Remove Necron
>Replace with Men of Iron

>>53574162
Remove Chaos
Add Skaven

>>53574162
> Remove one among DA, BA, GK...
> Add a chaos aliens empire, maybe an empire of various slave races under the dominion of a powerful chaos race to mirror the tau

Remove tau, add dark mechanicum

>>53574162
I would "remove" Tau and "add" what they were always meant to be, a detailed rule set/codex for designing your own minor xenos race with a few preset options that the players who can't into conversions and custom builds could buy off the shelf while allowing those who really want to go the whole hog to flesh out their own little corner of the 40k universe.

The Tau were never meant to be a major concern to the Imperium, they were meant to be a stand in for one of the thousands of minor xenos chipping away at the fringes of imperial authority.

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Remove Sisters of Battle, they're already pretty much gone anyway.

Add in traditional Grey aliens as a race with tech somewhere between Tau and Imperium. Laser guns, anal probes and flying saucer vehicles

>>53574754
>Generic Robutts
>Not walking supercomputers
>Not networked murderous tanks
>Not swarms of nanobots
>Not looking like a MC Esher drawing collided with a Boston dynamics inside Tesla's brain
This is a thread of imagination, anon

Remove Khorne Daemonkin, the laziest copy paste codex of 7th.

Bring back Squa

Remove Grey Knights.

Add Kroot Mercenaries back.

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>>53575076
> Special ressource: CPU
> Get it by buying supercomputers, other factions may have a hero or a monster to lead their force, you got a supercomputer in a shielded box.
> Use to command your various units that are more of less autonomous.
> Elite commando droids
> Troops: cheap and solid but dumb robots you have to babysit with CPU
> FA bullet-robots that are shoot on the battlefield
> HS: battle-factory, basically SW World Devastators

>>53574838
Weak to moral but very versatile faction.
> HQ: Alien overlords that spend more time policing their own troops than fighting the enemy. Probably some psykers.
> Elite: Loyal enforcers, powerful warriors that don't go away when you look away. Maybe more psykers but this time slave and throwable: pass your spell and die or serve as a psychic lightning rod and die.
> Cheap shitty troops
> FA: mercenaries (Loxatl) and semi independent client races.
> HS: Chaos machines made but heavily dependant client race.

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>>53574162
Remove IOM add Angyls of order and their worshippers.

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squat the whole system!

Replace with something cool like AGE OF SIGMAR.

>>53575617

Okay this guys funny, I like him!

>>53575076
>Super compoopers
>Nano machines
>Not generic as fuck

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>>53574162
Remove Tau and add Covenant from Halo.
The Halo 2 Covenant before Split.

Similar rounded aesthetic, yet more aggressive and genocidal, more fitting lore-wise. Their Remove Humans attitude would be just fine.

>>53574355
As a fan of the Tau, I really like this idea.

>>53574162
Remove Tau

Add a much better alien empire.

Replace Nids with the Flood

>>53574162
>evil mirror to the imperium.
Literally what Chaos already is.

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Remove Tau or a Space Marine subfaction. Add more Rak'gol.

>>53574162
Remove Chaos, add squats

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>>53575728
Depends on how you flavour them, really. Demons are generic too until you give them something to make them interesting.

Just a "supercomputer"? Sure, sounds boring. A huge, walking black box, gun turrets clinging like limpets to it's side in the middle of a battlefield and knowing, for a fact, it hates you?

Sounds more interesting to me at least.

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Remove chaos space marines.
Remove space marine.

Due to the Primaris attack of the clones execute order 66 schism that is MARK MY WORDS, COMING.

All space marines are now traitor marines, literally all of them.
Replace them with a suicide squad esque faction made up of absolutely all manner of xeno prisoners and space marine degenerates on, just like SS, various god awful missions no one will return from under the watchful and uncaring eye of the Inquisition.

Is it a good idea to make squads of Loxatl and khornite marines, Orkboys and disgraced ultramarines cohabit for the purpose of a Last Chancers bit of fuckery? OFCOURSE NOT, but let's watch!

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Remove Hrud

Add Hrud

Remove Imperium
Add Zoatls

>>53574162
>Remove Eldar
>Add Rak'Gol

fite me

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>>53574162
>remove necron
>add silicon life forms
>formerly men of iron
>on a world that has been separated from mankind since old night these machines have continued to exist
>over the millennia they advanced their own technology and achieved sentience in the form of grotesque half human looking robots
>they now control a subsector
>they rarely engage in large scale wars
>instead encounters with them are space horror focused and begin with the corruption of their opponents machines

I've been playing with a rough idea like this for a while now but the slot of sentient robots with vaguely human design is already held by the necron

>>53574162
remove space marines
replace with space lizardmen

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Remove Tau
Blow on cartridge
Put back in.

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>>53576315
This but with post singularity neets.

Decimate Marines, have like 500 left galactically
Add Hrud

>>53576476
How does killing one in ten marines reduce the galactic count to 500?

>>53576399

"I got bored, so I created an army and delta forked myself a couple thousand times. After cloud networking my experience to cull mistakes, I'm pretty good at fighting apparently."

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Remove Imperium, replace with Random EVE Online alliance determined by dubs.

>>53574162
>Remove Tau
>Replace with reworked Tau that emphasizes their caste system and alien allies rather than Mecha
>Make their Mecha less Gundam and more power armor/votoms scopedog
>Their army list relies on combine arms with Tau gunlines supported by kroot tarpits with crisis suits acting as mobile fire support bases, stingwing jump troops and humans with carbines acting as heavy close range infantry

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>>53574223
>d.Assblasted Squat

>>53576623
Warp math

>>53576998
>Tau castes are no longer distinct subraces but actual social castes determined by genetic and aptitude testing performed at puberty
>Air caste is scouts as well as pilots and form the Pathfinder Cadres and crisis suit pilots
>Earth caste Combat engineers

Get rid of Dark Elder, replace with Loli Eldar

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>>53574694

>>53576315
>>53576399
>>53576662
It would actually work really well to contrast Imperium idea of human purity and hate of thinking machines.
Bunch of humans and men of iron remnants/other AIs who went to deep in transhumanism so they almost blur definition of humanity.

>>53575617
we can guillicast eternals!
wait...

>>53577253
yeah it would work great, I might homebrew it for dark heresy some day
but it won't work in the setting at large because everyone would only see them as NuNecron

>>53574775
>they tunr out to be one and the same

>>53575541
Angyls of Starfather?

>>53576241
anon thats what skynet is, adding excesive adjectives isn t gonna make it more interesting

>>53574318
>Halo
>Anything but the worst written Sci-fi series in decades

No

>>53577329

How about this

>Remove Necrons
>Add Transformers

You know you want to see a Guard regiment shit themselves when the Baneblade and Lemen Russ backup they called for combines into a Devastator like Combiner.

>>53577313
I do like Skynet and find it interesting, though terminators being just robo-skeletons never took my fancy.

>>53576070
>Remove tau
>Replace them with a faction that's just the IoM in alien form that got fucked by one protospace marine.

Sounds shit my man.

>>53575076
>literally budget HR Geiger drawings
>shit System Shock 2 did better

I'd take Event Horizon over Alien any day

>>53577329
I...

Well, post-Bungie, yeah.

>>53576241
Anon, murderous super computers are almost literally the MOST generic sci-fi thing ever.

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Remove Chaos Daemons.
Replace with Men of Iron/Chaos Robots.

Make it so daemons simply can't manifest physically on their own, they need to possess things to operate in the material world. Make it so a bunch of men of iron survived and at this point they've gone full chaos and all of them above the maybe basic foot soldiers on the hierarchy are fully possessed.

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Remove Space Marines
Replace with Culter Dei

>>53577381
You do take in account that the proto-SM somehow managed to deactivate galatic cleansing death ray weapon while fighting off 4 factions. IoM got fucked by one turbo-autist with a claw... If its written that they get fucked by single person, theres nothing they can do about it.
Same goes in any setting. If its written by authors that a single character manages to be exact right place at right moment, he can start a cataclysmic event that will destroy thousands of years old empire, wipe out armies, sink fleets and so on.

Pre-Split Covenant had 30 years of genocide campaign succesfully behind them.

In 40k they would be quite good faction.

>>53577283
>dark heresy
It would made a nice dilemma for acolytes.
Being thrown into situation where they must choose who is the greater enemy: inhuman lawful mind who was once human or chaos cultists and fools tricked into serving chaos gods plan with fake local prophets.

>>53577408
Shit, I forgot about Asimov again, didn't I

>Remove the Imperium

>Replace with several independent human factions with unique cultures, beliefs, and levels of technology.

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>>53577435
Fuck you.

>>53577389
No. Even with Bungie. Halo was never well written. If, for any reason, you think it was well written then it's simply a case of you forgetting how generic and predictable everything was.

>>53577372
No, I don't but then I'm not autistic

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>>53577676
Dumb Jianposter

>>53576070
I would like to see their orbital drop hit and run tactics against the IOM. Unfortunately their land battle tactics are said to lose out to the UNSC at least half the time, not that it mattered for most battles, as the covies just glassed the shit out of the humans any ways.

I wonder how they would match up in space, especially if they keep slipspace tech which it's faster, safer and more precise. At least in segmentum scale travel

>>53576169
And kinda the imperium itself already.

>>53577670
>remove THE most iconic part of warhammer 40K
>replace with lesser factions that could never even hope to come close to it
Anon, there are independant human empires on the fringes of the galaxy that have fallen out of the dying empire's reach already, you'd only be removing something, and adding nothing.

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>>53575059

>>53574162
>Remove Ratlings in the Imperial Guard
>Add/Replace them with Felinids

>>53575076
Literally Necrons minus the egypt theme

>>53575059
That sounds retarded and completely out of place

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>>53574162
>Remove Tau
>Replace with the Clans

>>53578215
>Breaking tau into their 4 castes.
My racewar boner can only get so grand.

>>53577834
Why are none of those explored?

Are there any of note?

>>53578308
One of them held an artifact that was kind of related to the fall of Lorgar, Interex i think..

They had robot centaur legs and drones

>>53578135
So the Vampire Counts to the Necrons Tomb Kings?

>>53577329
>Saying this whilst Mass Effect exists

>>53578424
Mass Effect at least started strong.

>>53578424
Yes, Mass Effect's "kill the organics before they make synthetics that kill them!" was stupid, but at least it was a surprise motivation and not "Hi I'm a robot so that just means I am evil and want everything to die." repeated ad nauseum.

>>53578650
The logic wasn't terrible, the idea that machines could eventually destroy ALL life, so they had to kill the ones capable of building such machines.

>>53574162
Dark Eldar are cool though. Remove Tau, replace them with Skaven which live in the webway.

>>53578374
It was also like 20 pages and they were exterminated by the next book. The entire point of the Great Crusade is that all those independent empires were exterminated. Anything that exists in the 41st millennium is just fodder for fluff about how the Imperium either reconquered or exterminatused them.

40k would be a lot more compelling if the galaxy wasn't so monoculture. I thought the Great Rift would have been a great chance to shake things up and have new human empires pop up in the Dark Imperium, but based on that new Blood Angels blurb in the rulebook, a giant galaxy spanning rift isn't going to stop Guilliman from keeping the whole Imperium together.

>>53578849
Yeah, not sure why we're calling it dark imperium if it's just.. pretty much the same over there.

It's just Imperium but in the shade currently, essentially.

>>53574162
>Remove Newcrons
>Add Oldcrons

>>53574162

>Remove Admech

>Add Olamic Quietude

>>53576241
>Demons are generic too

Not in a space setting like 40k.
The contrast between high tech and magic demons helps make them interesting.

Killer robots are incredibly generic scifi.

>>53574260
Fuck you and everything you stand for

>>53574468
>It's like the Reasonable Marines as an entire civilization.
Is that a bad thing?

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>Remove everything
>Add Horatio

>>53579353
It is when the faction is based on the principals of " Trans-human intelligence means we are so smart there is no way we have not already won" and " Hard sci-fi RKVs are infinitely better weapons than anything the soft sci-fi of the setting could ever generate."

Remove Dark Eldar, they are part of Chaos now, added to Slaanesh forces. Additionally, give Chaos shitty knockoffs of other factions including "Dark Tau" for Tzeentch, "Dark Tyranids" for Korne and "Dark Necrons" for Nurgle. Doesn't matter if the Tau's souls are too small or whatever, or whatever the justification for the others not being able to be corrupted was, they can be corrupted now.

Tau get folded in with all the other Xeno races, including Squats. change the name to united Xenos Confederation, or UXC. You get a bonus for sticking to one or two races but you can field consolidated or coalition forces of them if you want.

>>53579588
If you put it that way it certainly is, but I just want to see human faction, that is not WWI/WWII-
style cannon fodder or SUPER-DUPER-EXTRA-MEGA SOLDIERS

>>53579588
It doesn't have to be that way.
WHFRP did have Bretonia, Kislev, Tilea and Estalia as other human kingdoms and it worked, 40k could have other human civilizations than grimderp IoM.
They are multitude options to nerf DAoT humanity that was cast into 40 millennium by any chance, based on present 1st world:
1. Diplomacy focus, all of pen mightier than sword, so they would try to talk instead to do anything.
2. Confederation of planets, meaning weak coordination between forces, internal conflicts, think how hard it is for NATO or UN forces to start some operation.
3. Representative rule, where anyone is paralyzed by fear of being responsible for anything, so response is always late. Also such system is exelent ground for enemy intelligence or chaos corruption.
4. Ethics, so no purging your own citizens when it is desirable, focus on civilian safety hampers military action, for example evac ship will get priority over much needed war materials. While all people are genetically enhanced a bit, there are no super soldiers as risks are to great.
5. Lack of military doctrine for chaos and nids, where shock and awe do not work on unpredictable enemy with no morale.
6. Naval focus, that made land forces subpar, better than guards but not so much as they are reliant of orbital bombardment support. And by loosing most of fleet, naval support in often not available or lacking.
7. AI, that was just thrown away so many systems have problems to work. Or AI is used but it can go berserk.
8. Lack of psionic, while being vulnerable to it.
9. Civilian opinion, and inability to suffer losses, thing about Tet offensive, mericans won but still lost.
10. Crippling manpower problems, so high unit costs.
11. Civilian economy that refuses to mobilize, or is unable to mobilize for extended period of time.
12. Isolationist tendencies.

Written from ass it could be easily expanded, you can make human faction based on science and reason and make them not OP.

>>53581440
I just don't like it because i don't care about more humans when we have a galaxy of strange horrors that could be made into interesting enemies than just more humans. Imperium is already very diverse.

>>53576315
I'm in the process of writing a faction for my RT game that is basically intelligent, sapient machines that are quasi-controlled by a moon-sized artificial intelligence that they worship as a god, and it will eventually come to light that these "Lightbringers" (as they call themselves) are actually a formerly advanced human society that uploaded itself into a giant neural network during Old Night. Their tech is "roughly" analogous to the Imperium, but focuses more on high-tech kinetic weaponry and ion/plasma tech, and each Lightbringer typically controls a network of weaker "drones" (think B1 Battle Droids from Star Wars) that act as expendable grunts for their dedicated (sentient) assault units. They are hyper-territorial, and view anything not Lightbringer as inferior and unworthy of existing.

One of the big clues I plan on dropping to the players is having one of them observe a Lightbringer on guard duty flicking a coin up and catching it randomly, appearing to be bored. Hopefully they pick up that "boredom" means that something is intelligent enough to be bored, and has a mind behind it.

>>53578215
>Warhammer
>Marauder
>Rifleman
>Archer
>Thunderbolt

...those ain't clans. That's the original Kell Hounds command lance +1.

>guaranteed responses of "remove space marines"

It's like you morons want a dead game.

>>53574162
Merge eldar, all chaos, nid stuff and marines into their own books
Make tau actually a bunch of different minor races, not all these tau plus space chickens and vespid

>>53574162

Remove Chaos and their "lol its just like a heavy metal album cover, isnt that EPIC? #spikesandskulls #ruinouspowers #IFEELTHEWARP" saturday morning cartoon evil chickenshit.

Replace with an actually cool warp-themed eldritch monster faction from the dark depths of hyperspace. Something that isn't fucking embarrassing to mention in the same breath as the rest of the setting.

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>>53584758

>>53584812

I'm sorry. Chaos lore is consistently the worst part of 40k, in large part because you can't walk ten feet in the setting without tripping over it because Chaos sticks its dick everywhere. Everything has to be about Chaos all the time because some guy once said they were the biggest threat, and for some reason everyone has to back that up despite Chaos accomplish jack shit for decades at a time.

In a setting where Tyranids are supposed to have eaten multiple galaxies already, I refuse to give a shit about 4 space demons who can't quit squabbling among themselves long enough to use their unlimited power and literally infinite number of demons to conquer A SINGLE PLANET.

In the end, they had to invoke ancient space artifacts they didn't even create to destroy Cadia, instead of the fucking THOUSANDS of means already at their disposal, because they are that fucking incompetent.

The setting has to bend over backwards again and again to keep Chaos relevant, because if anyone else was allowed to actually be even remotely competent at what they do the group of a few thousand space marines who almost never work together and are still using 20,000 year old military tech would be the modern equivalent of dudes with bolt action rifles on horseback charging against tanks.

>>53578670
But it was explained and set up extremely poorly, while being a theme juxtaposed to the choice to turn the Geth into allies, let alone the fact that organics kill each other too. (We won't even get into how the Geth wouldn't have chosen to inject themselves with Reaper code at the end of ME2 and thus ME3 is just Retcons: The Game. Hack Walters needs to get together with Matt Ward so they can kill each other while masturbating over whose pet characters are better).


Halo may be generic and predictable, but at least the lore was self-consistent until about halfway through Reach, even including the fiction. That's more than can be said for most Sci-Fi. But even Halo has become a clusterfuck of shitty inconsistency.

>>53574162
Remove Tau

Add a faction thats more dedicated to using Minor Xeno Species

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>>53585074
Literally none of that has to do with them being sick ass satanic metal warriors.

>>53585108
Add one that's literally a colation of minor xeno species

>>53574538
>Magic Hell is pretty tedious in my opinion
Its getting monotonous as well fluffwise
>and chaos fucked things up
>cause demons
They barely have to struggle in their win scenarios.

>>53585127

I want to see that guy try to walk through a room and have to stop every foot and a half, swearing all the while, because his spikes keep fucking catching on something and he has to back up or get himself untangled.

Throw a sheet over him, and he will be picking cloth scraps off of himself for DAYS.

He tried to lead an assault against a planet whose architecture was not miraculously specifically designed for his absurd profile, and he has to go through doors at a crouch and a 45 degree angle.

Remove Dark Eldar
Add a race of refugees from another galaxy who barely survived their galaxy's Tyranid invasion in a small fleet of ark ships and are cyborg merfolk.

>remove eldar and dark eldar
>add more xenos that don't resemble mankind
>some weird organic race, sorta like tyranid, but not berserk
>add more tau-like races, but no gundam, more alien like

>>53585218
>They barely have to struggle in their win scenarios.

Which makes it all the weirder that they spent so long being totally nonthreatening as a faction. For all their edgy aesthetic, Chaos has basically been Team Rocket for as long as I can remember.

"You can't stop us, because we demons and shit" seems extremely odd to suddenly matter, considering how many things in the setting exists SPECIFICALLY to fuck up demons and those have been working just fine up until now.

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>>53577253
>mfw
YESSSS

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>>53585232
Wrong, a Warrior of Chaos destroys all in his path, be it in linen or masonry.

>>53574162

Remove Chaos, replace them with the Secession: essentially a Dark Imperium that began during the Horus Heresy and never stopped.

Chaos without the demons, basically. They do all of the Chaos Space Marine things, but mostly because they are run by fucking insane supersoldiers. The failed experiments of the emperor, still haunting the galaxy.

There is something deeply wrong with primarch gene seed. The longer they live, the crazier they get. In the Seccession, the Imperium's rules don't apply. This creates what might look like a good place to turn to if you want to do something that the Admech would deem illegal, or if the Imperium is strangling your planet in taxes.

But for every Secession world that is no worse off than under the IoM, there are worlds were people are hunted for sport or considered nothing more than fodder for insane experiments. Not because of otherworldly space demon corruption, but simply because the deranged supersoldiers want it.

>>53585357

Sure, but that's gotta be time consuming.

Imagine him chasing after some hapless guardsmen and having to stop and widen the doorway first because he doesn't want to looking like a total fucking idiot squeezing through it, or having to ram the wall a bunch of times to break through by force.

All because he refuses to take the 4 foot ornamental vertical spikes off of his armor, because Sagarius has 3 foot spikes and like fuck will he be outdone by that rat bastard.

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>>53585520
You sound like a vagina, if a vagina was a person with terrible opinions.

>>53585520
>champion of khorne
>not plowing through walls like the goddamn kool-aid man
c'mon nigga think

>>53585307
I also don't like how other factions have been pushed on the sideways in current 40k. Its alright for them to take the spotlight, but they kicked all other competitors off the stage.

Would be good to see scenarios like an entire chaos invasion got blunted cause Orkz heard the hummies are having big fights and wanted to join the scrap.

>>53585520
Its part of the plan. Khorne makes his warriors dress spikey stupid so they'd get caught up in the most mundane of shit and get angrier each time.

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Remove Imperium. Replace entirely with knight houses. We Space Bretonnia now.

Space marines are a collection of ancient orders founded in the Dark Age. Admech is the only semicoherent organization in humanity.

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>>53574162
Add Squats.

Remove one of the Space Marine ones. Seriously, how much will Space Marines get? Show the others some love too.

Looking through this thread I'm glad none of you will ever influence what GW does. As retarded as they are half the time, most of these ideas are absolutely shit.

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>>53574162
Remove Sisters

Add Samus

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>>53586532
I like the ones for replacing the Tau, those are bretty gud.

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>>53586584
Remove Space Marines

Add Doomguy

They proceed to meet and date and marry and make lots of babies that are the pinnacle of the galaxy's easiest demon/alien-killing eugenics program ever.

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>>53574162
Remove Chaos.
Replace it with Fantasy Chaos.
This huge motherfucker is a Chaos Warrior. He didn't have to big papa emps stick geneseed up his ass to be special; he woke up one morning and decided he was mad as hell and wasn't going to put up with not murdering everyone anymore
Chaos shouldn't belong to a bunch of 10 millenia old grandpas with daddy issues. Chaos should be the birthright of every angry motherfucker who is willing to pull out his neighbor's spine with his teeth because fuck you, that's why.

>>53574162
>Remove Tau

>Add Cthulu

I'd remove the Tau.

And I'd add in an actually decent and well written small xenos army that didn't rely on such constant asspulls to survive. They can even keep the kroot and I'd add in more xenos/human auxiliaries to represent this diverse alien empire that's basicaly the Federation: 40k edition. But the Tau and their asspull weeb mecha pandering has got to go.

>>53586594
I like the ones that replace Tau with Tau and Other Such Things

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>>53586629
But anon, how will their mommy Ripley react to her kids reproducing?

Why do so many try & force a strong female character? I'd take Ellen Ripley over Social Justice Wars Rey any day.

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>>53586716
>But anon, how will their mommy Ripley react to her kids reproducing?
What is she gonna do, ground them?

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>>53586643
Mmmh yes.

>>53585806

Yeah, and you are telling me that in a world with alllllllll of the super duper ridiculous shit that 40k loves to brag about, there literally never exists such a thing as a wall that a space marine can't effortlessly walk through?

Because the first time that a champion of Khorne tries to koolaid man his way through the wall of a bunker that's 10 feet thick super-space metal, because he can't fit through the door thats sized for a normal human, he's going to feel really goddamn silly and the Slanesshi will laugh at him.

>>53586643
This. The only daemon princes and shit you see are either pure daemon, primarchs, or space marines. There should be more room for badassery and not have it be so stagnant. Just badass dudes making pacts with eldritch horrors from the warp to empower themselves.

>>53586679
If you add in Lovecraftian shit everything loses hard, even chaos.

>>53585283
>remove faction that makes sense in universe
>add my fan fiction

>>53586817
She's going to make them go to their room without supper.

>>53586992
>makes sense in universe

>an entire faction based on backstabbing and unrestrained hedonism that literally made a god that they all now fear and hate, still doing the very things that empower said god
>not killing itself in a week or falling to Slaanesh

Makes total sense.

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Remove clothes

Add demon baby

>>53587018
We all know who Samus is getting her supper from tonight!

Doomguy

The lack of porn with those two is criminal.

>>53574531
What pisses me off the most isn't even that the whole thing is engineered and changed a lot of fluff for no other purpose than to shit on established fluff for copyright reasons, but the fact that the usage is so fucking inconsistent.

>Space Marines
>Astra Militarum
>not Adeptus Astartes & Astra Militarum
>not Space Marines & the Imperial Guard

Fucking geedubs, man, they can't help but to ruin everything they touch these days. It's like Electronic Arts at this point.

>Remove everyone
>Roll the timeline back
>Warhammer 25k
>Tattered remnants of the DAoT empire trying to hold everything together and slowly failing

>Men of Iron splintered into a hundred factions by brutal cyberwar, trying to do as much damage as possible before they are finally hunted down and destroyed

>Eldar Empire five minutes before the Fall, raiding parties riding fever-nightmare war engines and accompanied by giggling half-real proto-daemonettes

>Psykers and mutants as independent faction maybe? Driven mad by the radical changes in mind and body but still intelligent enough to be dangerous, warping themselves further with warp-power and what high technology remains to them in pursuit of some imagined apotheosis

>Also Orks, because you just can't keep a good Ork down; almost more Skaven-like, made sneaky and cunning by 10,000 years of being hunted, armed with weapons scavenged from the billion battlefields of the Iron War, carrion eaters growing fat on the corpse of empire

>Probably should be a couple of other people to round things out, can't think of anything though

>>53587071
Maybe if you 40kucks actually stopped throwing money at GW for everything you'd be able to have them reel shit in. If you give them money for shit, what incentive is there to do any better? In their minds people clearly want shit and they will keep making it. Stop giving them money for their garbage and maybe they will change. But you can't toss money at them and expect them to care when low quality trash is making just as much cash as actual good work.

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>>53587114

>>53579046
This is the only objectively good suggestikn ITT

>>53585310
What's that thing from? Seen it a few times around here.

>>53587142
>you 40kucks
What makes you assume I give GW a single dime? I was always a fan of Warhammer 40k, especially up until they started coming up with all the unironically terrible shit and shitting all over the fluff for marketing reasons, includjng the Astra Militarum/Tempestus Scion nonsense.

But my true bread and butter was always Warhammer Fantasy. And they ruined that out of spite and an attempt to force people into following into something completely, fundamentally alien.

So why the fuck would you think I would chuck dosh at Geedubs?

>>53586643
>Replace it with Fantasy Chaos.
Dear Emperor no. We had GW kill Fantasy with their Chaos boner, it's bad enough as it is already in 40k.

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>>53587327
What if we replaced Chaos with Morgoth?

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>>53587347
What if we replace Chaos with Godhand?

Take out the Tau, put in the Interex.

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Take Frieza

Replace with Cell

>>53587282
Because 90% of people who play GW games seem to have a fetish for findom and masochism. There are people who unironically defend 8th and call it good. And who like Age of Sigmar. That is a level so low that it can only be supported by a playerbase of utter spinless troglodytes.

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>>53587360
What if we replace Chaos with Zardoz?

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>take Chaos

>replace with Aku

>Remove SoB
>replace with titty monsters that use psyker bullshit x10 but they ever actually get things done so they get squatted

>remove space marines
>replace with land marines

>>53577435
>What are, imperial assassins

>>53588184
>What are, imperial assassins
not crazy enough?

>>53588324
there is a group of assassins whose sole purpose is to be drugged up murder machines that get dropped into a location until everyone is dead. the only thing they're missing is psionic powers and cycles of guilt.

>>53588368
>the only thing they're missing is psionic powers and cycles of guilt.
Definitely not crazy enough

>>53588432
though in a way all the temples of assassins fill a role in the secreta, Vindicare are the snipers, culexus are the psionics (though technically they are anti-psionics), callidus are thr infiltrators who pretend to be other people, and the eversors are the drugged up murder men.

So if you mixed all of them together, you would get one Culter Dei

>>53588534
Yeah, but the craziness needs to be concentrated into one dude.
Damn it 40k, get your shit together and start making crazy shit again oh wait, didn't they do that and said character got labeled a mary sue?

>>53574162
-Remove craftworld Eldar because they all got sucked into Slaanesh's belly button
-Replace with Demiurg, who escape the obese midget bikers concept by being more like Athas dwarfs from D&D Dark Sun, and who have a level of 'hard science' technology that far outstrips anything else in the known universe
-For added M Night Shyama-lama-ding-dong twist points, 90% of Tau tech is actually Demiurg tech. Electrocontractile artificial muscle bundles for battlesuits, antigrav, railguns, stealth fields, all of it shared freely with the more numerous Tau in return for a bit of peace and quiet, and the agreement that Tau bring them exotic/unknown tech
-I leave it up to you, dear reader, to figure out how Necrons and AdMech might regard this.

>>53576743
so if it was replaced by GSF that would mean it would be about the same only the emperor is replaced with a squawking parrot?

>>53574355
So, like the Dogs of War in WHFB circa 2000-2005? I like it!
>Lumpin Croop's ratling sharpshooters
>Birdmen of Catraza IV, the sunflower seed planet
>Brog Bearstok and his Ursinid berserkers
>Hrud Exonid riders

>>53574162
Remove space marines
Add fluffy variant of tyranids

>>53587347
Chaos would become cowardly and even less competent.

>>53574162
Remove Tau
Add Mormons

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>nearly 200 posts
>nobody suggesting removal of admech or skitarii

Even now, there is hope for man.

>>53574162
just remove chaos
chaos ruins the setting

>>53577329

This so much.

Thank you.

Remove Chaos.

Add Skaven.

Remove admech and skitarii

Add in Matt Ward. Remove Ultramarines. It's what he wants.

>>53574162
Remove all, replace with Skinks.

Remove chaos undivided/chaos united

Replace with countless warring chaos sub factions who are just as likely to align with each other as they are with any of the other races, which is almost never. At least split the 4 major gods into entirely different factions. Khorne and Slaanesh shouldn't be working together any more than Nurgle and Khaine would

Remove Eldar.

Replace with Remenant Eldar. All the 'real' Eldar are hanging out in the Warp with Ynnead, who is busy suplexing Slaanesh in their epic battle for what-the-fuck ever. There are like 500 living Eldar left, who rebooted their society and now have like one on each battlefield, with enough psychically controlled drones/thousand sons ripoffs to make the Tau cream their pants. Remove the specialist squad, and turn it into a specialist 'army' to reflect the abilities of each commander.

>>53574162
Remove Tau

Remove Imperial Guard

Add stormcast eternals

Remove chaos

Replace with the C'tan and necrons enthralled by the c'tan

Remove chaos space marines

Replace with just regular humans who became chaos warriors in space. It's pretty stupid that all the big guys in spiky armor have to be space marines in 40k while in fantasy they can come from normal dudes

>>53574162
I wouldn't remove anyone if I could help it. They're all fine additions to the setting.

I would add some sort of future equivalent of WHFB Vampire Counts though. Maybe not full on "I vant to suck your blood" vampires, but some kind of fucked-up alien that drained life force and waged war with an army of expendable goons would fit the setting pretty well.

Remove the imperium.

The emperor died before he could find his sons and each of them grew up without ever knowing their true purpose. Only Magnus has any idea about the emperor at all. most of the primarchs eventually conquered their planets and some even founded whole space empires. Now there are several empires founded by the primarchs who made it into space

>>53590095
This. Honestly though, I wouldn't remove chaos space marines, just have them as more of an elite unit in a traditional lost and the damned style army.

>>53589721
I feel like the only reason anyone thinks Halo was well written is because they played the first one when they were like 12 and it was their first exposure to epic fiction so they look back at it with rose tinted glasses.

>>53576399
I am down with neo-men of iron more than the other options in this thread.

>>53574162
The fuck you mean "evil mirror"? The imperium is the evil mirror to the imperium.

>>53574665
+1 for this, there's the Ulumeathi who are some other xeno alliance IIRC, among others. Would like to see more spoopy aliums.

>>53574838
>chaos aliens
Very cool idea, I've wondered why we seem to only see chaos-aligned humans. Lore question: Are there any chaos eldar? I know eldar aren't big fans of Slaanesh, perhaps understandably, but am I supposed to believe that NO farseer has ever decided that Tzeentch might be a valuable patron? Has no aspect warrior embraced Khornate hatred of everything Slaanesh stands for?

>>53587244
Ball from popular irl game "Bowling"

>>53574162
>remove chaos
>add nothing

chaos would be okay if it wasn't slated to be the winner in the end no matter what. its just a personal pet peeve of mine, the winner should always be in doubt not 'it doesn't matter chaos wins because the writers masturbate to chaos'
re: see warmhammer fantasy where they retcon their own shit so chaos doesnt lose and end times

>>53574162
Remove Tau
Add Men of Iron

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>>53577253
>went to deep in transhumanism so they almost blur definition of humanity.
sounds pretty redundant

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>>53574162
>Replace sm chapters with legions
ITS BRUVA-KILLING WAR BETWEEN GLORIUS LEGIONS OF UBERHUMANS

>>53584758
>eldritch monster faction from the dark depths of hyperspace.

so tyranids?

>>53574162
Remove Tau
Add "Dark Imperium"

>>53579588
To be fair, whenever someone DOES get their hands on a real DAoT weapon, it wrecks everyone's ass until it breaks.

>>53581440
What would Space Brets look like?

>>53589573 You need to improve your read skills defective robot>>53579098

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>>53594289

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>>53578849
>40k would be a lot more compelling if the galaxy wasn't so monoculture. I thought the Great Rift would have been a great chance to shake things up and have new human empires pop up in the Dark Imperium, but based on that new Blood Angels blurb in the rulebook, a giant galaxy spanning rift isn't going to stop Guilliman from keeping the whole Imperium together.

Wait, what?

This is just a waste...

>>53575541
That'd be tits, and if they could explore the thematic differences between chaos and order, instead of going full HURR ORDYUR GOOD CHAOS EBILABAD!

>Remove Grey Knights
>Add Malal faction as chaos worshipping chaos hunters.

>>53574162
Remove Tau, replace with the 3rd Reich.

Remove Tau, as any right thinking fan would. This both helps the fluff and the tabletop play.

Add Demi-urg. They sound like a Xenos race that could be a better fit for the Tau spot. Still fill out the more ranged then close combat, but would fit the setting better and be more interesting.

>>53577536
>IoM got fucked by one turbo-autist with a claw
Holy shit what a fucking retard. He perfectly summed up MC and the fact that he pretty much soloed everyone, while you had to completely undersell Horus and omit the fact that he had half the fucking military and satanic gods on his side. Fuck you.

>>53577329
If you've believe this you've lead a charmed life

>>53577536
Masterchief was just lucky.

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>>53586643
desu there should be more focus on traitor guard or cultists.

>>53581440
One of the main themes of 40k is that science and reason don't work because of corruption. Its one of the universal constants. You want science and reason as a viable option, go to any other scifi.

>>53585232
I want you see you not be autistic about a fantasy setting 38 thousand years from now with 8 foot tall chainsaw kngihts fighting back the magical hell dimensions.

>>53574497
Fuck ya. I like the tau but a Rak'Gol army would lore and game wise be better. The only thing is I enjoy sneaky units and wonder how they could implement that in a Rak'Gol army?

>>53587045
>The plot of Berserk in 40k
I challenge you lads to explain how this could be done

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>>53585232
>He tried to lead an assault against a planet whose architecture was not miraculously specifically designed for his absurd profile, and he has to go through doors at a crouch and a 45 degree angle.
you understand nothing about honour

>remove Tyranids
>add Eldrazi

>>53576399
Oh man, AT43 was so fucking great. Why did it fail so hard ? I loved every single model of their range and the lore was great.

Man, what a loss.

>>53600703
> Cold war in space!
> Now with creepy world ending aliens
> That are actually posthuman neets
> Also Buddhist space gorilla
> Then not-so-little grey men
> And a supercorporation that sells mercenaries and zombies and zombies mercenaries

>>53600217
I once did Ocarina of Time in WHFB.
>Kokiri replaced with Wood Elves
>Great Deku Tree is alike Durthu or a spirit who Chaos Sorceror Lord Ganondorf infected
>Gorons replaced with Dwarfs
>Busy mining Dodongo's Cavern when Ganondorf decided to send beasts to fuck with them
>Zora are Lizardmen
>King Zora is a Slan
>Reclamation pools in danger from Ganondorf
>Shiekah are likely those shadowy High Elves, I forgot
>Shadow Temple is dealing with Vampire Counts or Dark Elves
>Kangs replace Gerudo
>Faggot Ganon tried telling me to serve so I'm pissed at him
>Master Sword is a strong runesword which Ganondorf placed a curse which needed 7 years to dispell
>Megaton hammer is a Dorf rune hammer
>Bow & arrows are made by Wood Elves
>Dorfs made bombs
>Mirror Shield is a captured Sigvald-like shield
>Epona is a Bretonnian steed of sorts
>Phantom Ganon is a Daemon serving Ganondorf
>Final Boss is Daemon Prince Ganon

>>53574162
Remove space yiffs

Add in Blood ravens

Or remove catachans

Add Harkoni warhawks

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Remove SJW

Add Kyle Katarn

>>53574162
>Add Dark Chaos

Exactly like regular Chaos but edgier.

>Remove Imperium

We've seen it already. Time for some new ideas.

>>53602103
What would Bright Chaos look like?
A bunch of counterculture rock-n-roller marines who are sick and tired of the Imperium's fascism, man?

>>53602186

Bright Chaos would be like a galaxy-wide Burning Man festival.

>>53586945

That's how it was supposed to be. Originally Chaos was this always-present seductive natural force, not a concrete thing you could actually fight against with weapons. It was later writers who came up with the idea of personified Chaos Gods that ruined everything.

>>53602213
This is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.
>ywn be in a community of weirdoes who make cool mechanical gadgets that spew fire to fight the Imperium
>ywn be a drug-addled counterpart to the AdMech who continually smells like piss

>>53579692
>Nurglite Necrons
The horror...

On a side note, the idea of Tzeentchian Necrons trying to influence other races' hopes and dreams in order to remind themselves of what life once was seems far cooler to me.

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>Few or none post asking for Malal/Malice return

The universe really should burn

>>53595113
I'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING I CAN

THERE ARE NO HEROES LEFT IN MAN

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>Remove Imperial Agents
>Add Rogue Traders

>>53602655
That's because Malal only works as a minor power at the absolute best, and cannot by its very nature ever be a major player in the galaxy.

They also only have like - what, one warband?

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Remove Chaos wank

Add Commissars

>>53603321
But anon, Malal has the least but the strongest of servants.

>>53574423
that's literally what the Tau are supposed to represent, though.

>>53574497
Your image has got me thinking, what about a Strogg-style army? Fluff it as some AI from the dark age?

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>>53574223
>>53600274
>>53574162
>Remove Tyranids
>Add
Remove the heck out of Tyranids - they have all the mindlessness of classic Necrons without a tragic compelling backstory. The best races have an actually philosophy behind them -
>Dark Eldar: Society based around fear because a god is literally eating their souls and eternal torment is the only thing that awaits them in death
>Tau: Society based around working for the Greater Good, given over to completely sacrificing individuality, but the most technologically powerful race in existence
>Chaos: a "society" based around accepting the most base and destructive human urges as validation for human existence, eternally fighting each other because when you live your life around base urges then you look at everyone as prey
Seriously add back Squats, but give them a background that's seriously compelling, like what they did with the Fall of the Eldar.

>>53604588
They had some backstory. They were an abhuman strain that left Earth far before the Emperor did. They were isolated on high-gravity planets & were forced to endure the elements without the Imperium to help. While much of humanity, including them, lost stuff after the Dark Ages, the Squats lost much less than anyone else and thus retain all sorts of goodies the Mechanicus wants. Space Marine armor was also based on Squat Exo armor & they were able to grind the Great Crusade to a halt before the Emperor decided to make deals with them.

>>53574355
>Remove Tau
>Replace with the Trade Federation.
60% of all tau fluff is now about trade agreements and peace treaties.

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>>53605090
Replace them with the Feds. Make the Space Pirates come & be Space Skaven.

>>53605090
>60% of all tau fluff is now about trade agreements and peace treaties.
With whom? They're surrounded by maniacs!

>>53605144
>Peace treaty with Orks
>Please, we're pussies! Those Imperials are so much better to fight!
>DEldar
>Yes, we'll take your cocks inside us! Just don't fight!

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>>53605173
>DEldar
>Yes, we'll take your cocks inside us! Just don't fight!
That's a shitty deal. I mean, there's no guarantee the Orks won't raid you anyway, but this is just literal rape.

>>53605212
But anon, if they accept & don't resist, is it rape anymore? What if the Tau wrap everything in a forcefield thus all sex done is undercovers? What if the Tau tell them that they reproduce by holding hands?

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>>53605234
>But anon, if they accept & don't resist, is it rape anymore?
It's coercion, so it's still rape.
>What if the Tau tell them that they reproduce by holding hands?
The Dark Eldar don't care how they reproduce, they're in it for their own pleasure and not anyone else's.

>>53599785
>dude just turn your brain off lmao
I hate this meme.

>>53605255
>It's coercion, so it's still rape.
It's a trade of sex for peace, so it's technically prostitution.

>>53605503
Tell that to the Adeptus Arbites.

>>53605084
Huh, well egg on my face for not doing my research. Honestly though, I still think they could go deeper with that, cause I really like how the Eldar are a race apart from humanity with minds that operate so well they experience the world completely differently. Plus, what I like about the races I like is they have some philosophy they embody. What would the squats embody you think?

>>53605144
This made me chuckle

>>53605702
Humanity's past. Their roots & glories & how much they've forgotten since then.

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>>53605503

>>53574162
remove tau
add men of iron

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Remove Emperor

Add new Emperor

>>53576247
Wrong order

Remove Space Marines
Add Thunder Warriors

>>53599121

Says the man who didn't seem to remember that MC had on his side things like UNSC, Covenant Civil War, Flood, Sentinels, 343 Guilty Spark, writers.

Yes, you can undersell Horus as easily as you can MC. As I said, one man written into right place right time can destroy everything. Its like Horus somehow turning half the legions, destroying half the imperium, and soloing Sanguinius and Emperor.

Or is it better to compare MC to Draigo? I dunno, 40k is so ridden with characters who can solo-kill planets. Kharn, Lucius, Cato Sicarius... Your pick. I'm not exactly defending MC as I'm saying how retard it is to assume just by one game where you have save-states and restarts as many as you want, to show how one (1) person can save universe.

Yes, Horus died, and so did MC with Halo 4.

>>53587866
>literally nothing changes

>>53605144
Other Aliens, I imagine.
A Tau trade federation should be, in my opinion, of equal or comparable in terms of power to the IoM and should have probably existed at least since the Horus Heresy.
Members are given mutual protection by other members (which means they're probably fighting on a whole ton of fronts, just like the IoM), while clients are just favoured by trade.
If you want grimdarkness, you can play up internal poltics and the concessions they make to keep members happy (a race of brain maggots needs a place to live...)
Have them be just as brutal as the IoM against those who refuse to become clients. Gotta stop humans from having a foothold, so Orks, Necron and Eldar are automatic enemies. Indeed, maybe the concept of humans joining us abhorrent to them, with the Federation having a strict policy of genocide against humanity.

Remove the emperor

Add sigmar. Not even memeing, sigmar would do a far better job given the same power and circumstances. He actually cares about people, is willing to ally with other races to defeat chaos, and most importantly experienced life as a mortal man and still remembers that. Sigmar wouldn't drive away half the primarchs, wipe out countless xenos species and human civilizations, or hide the information of chaos from everyone.

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>>53574162
Remove Necrons.

Add Abominable Intelligence.

>>53607527
Brilliant.

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>>53574260
Please leave.

>>53607527
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART HORUS

Squat everything

Add everything which previously didn't have a codex

>>53607527
He's such a sweet boy

>>53574162
>remove marines
>add rak'gol
SM can be a specialist unit to supplement IG instead of their own faction.

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>>53612537
>Add everything which previously didn't have a codex
> Adeptus Administratum vs Grots Pranksters starting box
> Will the paperwork will be done on time?

>>53574162

> Skaven Webway

Most 40k races aren't a one for one copy of their Fantasy counterparts. How would you differentiate these new 40k Skaven from the Fantasy variety?

Extra points for creativity and originality...

>>53609273
To be honest most of Blame factions are more human than Imperium of Man.

>>53586858
FOUL DOOR! I'LL NOT BE SO CRUELLY TAUNTED BY SUCH AN ENCHANTMENT!

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>>53613011
The council of 13 is replaced by a pantheon of 13 skaven gods ruled over by the skaven god of malice, aka the horned rat. The skaven gods are manifestations of skaven values, (thievery, feralness etc) they are all weaksauce. Weaker then the primarchs but they are very recent gods and all are growing in power. The horned rat himself has been around since the start though and is an incredibly powerful entity, as in he's an equivlent force to the emperor himself. The horned rat is a huge deal.

Webway is retconed so that it turns out the eldar have only ever really been skimming on the surface because it's rats all the way down.

Warpstone is a material that manifests in the deepest sections of the webway where warpstuff breaks into their realm. Skaven use it to power all sorts of things and give some extra oomph to their weaponry.

Skaven four primary clans are Skyre, Screer(psykers/Cult of 13/skaven inquisitors), Moulder and Eshin. (Pestilence does not exist with nurgle being around) the primary clans are not the overwhelming subfactions they were in fantasy, they are generalized schools of thinking that most skaven follow. Lesser clans are composed of everybody else.

Remove Grey Knights,

Add those new flying dwarves from sigmar. The models already have autocannons and decent guns. Just give them 40k rules.

>>53574162
Remove tau.

Add a faction of an "alliance" of monster races such as the Slaugth, Rak'gol, Stryxis, Khrave, Q'orl and Osirian Psybrid and Yu'vath remnants.

Remove iron warrior chaos space marines


Replace with renegade Iron warriors who run their own empire but haven't turned to chaos, at all. Make it basically imperium secundus if perturabo was in charge, with all of his buildings and inventions