40k Global Campaign

>>53572923
>Let's burn the place to the ground!

Can't fool me Horus

>>53572923
Fate of Konor is the new 2017 global campaign. After the events of Gathering Storm, the opening of the Cicatrix Maledictum, the Ultima Founding and the Indomitus Crusade, the Plague Wars have started in the Realm of Ultramar.

This is the description of Fate of Konor sent to retailers:
The worshippers of Chaos seek to smash a path through the Imperial battle line to Macragge, home world of the Ultramarines. Should they succeed, the greatest Imperial stronghold in the sector will be gravely threatened, and Guilliman’s forces will be cut off and surrounded.

To achieve this end, the forces of Chaos must conquer the powerful, well-located Konor System. The Konor System embodies the glorious dream of Ultramar. Crucially, it also guards one of the few stable warp transit routes to the Macragge System. If the Chaos advance is not halted, Konor will soon fall, and a path to the heartland of Ultramar will be laid bare.

WHAT IS THE FATE OF KONOR CAMPAIGN?

Through July, August and September all of our customers will fight to decide the fate of the Konor System to see if it falls into the hands of Chaos. All armies can get involved and the final results will be written into Warhammer 40,000 lore! Customers will fight for six planets over six weeks. Each planet will have a specific story, mission, weekly special rules and gaming theme, and will be affected by the results of the previous planet(s). Customers will be able to post results by logging ‘games won’ or newly painted datasheets in your store.

There are 3 stages to the campaign:
Promotion – between 17th June and the 1st July.
Army Muster – between 1st July and 27th July
Campaign – between 27th July and the 10th September

>>53572983
PROMOTION, MUSTER AND CAMPAIGN

From the launch of all of our new Warhammer 40,000 products we will be promoting the fact that we are running a Global Online Campaign from the 27th July.

Promotion: Talk to all of your customers about the upcoming campaign both in your store and on your storeFacebook page – get them excited.

Muster: This is the time for customers to choose which faction they will fight with and to build and paint their forces ready for the battles ahead. Additionally each week of the campaign will have a ‘theme’ with a selection of products that will count for double points during the campaign (see below) and the muster gives them an opportunity to buy, build and paint these units in advance!

Campaign: Customers can post results in your store by playing and winning games or by painting a new datasheet's worth of troops. They can post a win for Chaos, a win for the Imperium or in the case of all other forces remove a win from either the Imperium or Chaos!


WEEKLY THEMES

On each of the six planets some units feature more prominently than others.

Customers will get double points in the campaign for using a force that contains one or more of these units OR paints a datasheet that contains this unit type. We are going to let our customers know these themes right from the beginning:

Week 1: Space Marines and Start Collecting! sets

Week 2: Elites

Week 3: Tanks

Week 4: Psykers

Week 5: Fast Attack/Flyers

Week 6: Lords of War/Scenery

A STUNNING CAMPAIGN WEBSITE
We learnt a lot from our Season of War Online Campaign… The interactive website for The Fate of Konor is going to be amazing and will let your customers know the impact of their battles in your store and how the campaign is going globally. It will include downloads, countdowns, videos and much, much more…

>>53573002
CAMPAIGN PACK

We have put together a cool campaign pack to help you have a fantastic time in your store over the period of the campaign. It will include:

Astaramis Mission/Stratagem envelope: Astaramis is the first planet to be fought over in the campaign and has a Unique Mission and weekly special rules – open this envelope on the 27th July and use it for your gaming activities in week one.

Please note: each week's new Missions and weekly special rules will be emailed to you and will also be available on the campaign website.

Army Roster Sheets: This is a pad of 50 roster sheets. Give them to customers so they can write out an army list and record their Command Points etc. – feel free to
photocopy them if you need more!

Window Poster: Put this up in your store window to show customers that you are running Fate of Konor activities.

Campaign Map and Map Stickers: This massive campaign map will show off all the planets in the Konor System and will look great in your store. Use the campaign map stickers to show which force controls each planet at the end of each week of the campaign.

>>53573002
>only Imperium or Chaos can possibly win
Fuck this shit. I want surprise wins from a xenos faction.

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>>53573002
>They can post a win for Chaos, a win for the Imperium or in the case of all other forces remove a win from either the Imperium or Chaos!
>or in the case of all other forces remove a win from Chaos!

time to humiliate chaosfags again!

>>53573032
When Orcs won the end times they just got an honorable mention while they went back to focusing on chaos and the empire didn't they?

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>>53572983
>Crucially, it also guards one of the few stable warp transit routes to the Macragge System
Can't even keep fluff straight for two days. this is the map of the nearest planets to Macragge posted in the "Warzone: Ultramar" community update. Konor is clearly two jumps away, not one.

>>53573062
At least it's not 'Chaos got its ass handed to it but wins repeatedly anyways because muh chaos' that was Storm of Chaos

Regardless of the result it's not like they're going to destroy Ultramar. What's the point?

>>53573002
What happens if so many people roll xenos that both imperium and chaos end up with zero wins by the end?

I wonder if the Sons of Malice will be able to take wins away from Chaos. If so, I know what I'm spamming.

>>53573258
They play one more game of Imperium vs Chaos in-house and have the Imperium throw the game so that Chaos just barely wins

>>53573258

Chaos wins lol. Or more optimistically, they will at least use the xenos race that had the most wins as having a major presence in Ultramar and causing a stalemate/taking over the system.

>>53573258
Necrons and Tau working together annex Ultramar, and re-enact the Great Warding?

In the actual case, GW gets embarrassed and we hopefully slow the tide of primaris bollocks.

>>53573348
>Dark Eldar take over the Ultramar system
>To celebrate next DE unit are super wracks made out of Ultramarine geneseed

Fund it

noob here, what is this chapter approved book thing?

>>53572923
Nope. Konor is named after Guilliman's dad and he was a cool guy. It's an AdMech place and they're cool guys.
I won't let Chaos shitters have it.

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Right. My Admech are going to be fighting for Chaos this time, screw the letter of the rules. Fuck you Guilliman, I want my fluff back.

>>53574179
Where does it say it's an Admech place? Can't see anything about that.

>>53574181
You're going to use your AdMech to trash AdMech worlds? Because you want your AdMech fluff intact?

>>53574206
It's fluff that dates back to Codex Ultramarines.
Given the red planet with blue LEDs on it I doubt they've changed it.

>>53572923
>Fate of Konor
Oh wow anon was right.
Random new-world #194 is in crisis! this super important campaign will decide the fate of a whole .2% of ultramar! The horror!

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Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>53574225
Seeing as it is a Mech planet apparently, I'm now a tad conflicted. On one hand, fucking Guilliman can sod off and stop taking all the toys that should be ours by right. Also the UM player at our store is a total prick and the DG player is based.

On the other hand, I don't want to beat up fellow tech-bros.

1. Imps
2. Chaos

>>53574237
>Random new-world

It's not new.

>this super important campaign will decide the fate of a whole .2% of ultramar! The horror!

Large scale campaigns are shitty though. They fuck the setting too much. Fighting over a system is perfect.

>>53574268
>stop taking all the toys that should be ours by right.

What's that? Everything? As I think if only the Mechanicus got things made by the Mechanicus, no one else would have machines.

It's like complaining about not having Exorcists or Land Raiders in your mechanicus army.

>>53574270
>they fuck the setting too much
UItramar has 500 worlds. Losing 60 of them would be significant but wouldn't completely fuck the setting.

>>53574324
That's just an arbitrary number.
Why is a system too little to have fun with?

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>>53573258

There are probably more Ultramarine players than all the xenos races combined. Even if you want to troll the system you are outnumbered 500 to 1 and they have measures to make sure you can't fuck around anyway.

>>53574299
It's the Mechanicus. If there is a shiny thing, we want it and nobody else is allowed to have it. This is how things work here. ;)
Heresy mech and soon us too actually have better Land Raiders, with Torrent Fleshbane AP3 flamers and grav-weapons.


But I'm mad they took Galvanic Rifles and gimped them so as not to overshadow the fancy fancy nuMarines, and that all the work of Mars has resulted in no nice toys whatsoever for us. Killing Primaris Marines will be nicely cathartic if I can work out how to beat that dickhead UM player who spams psykers, GravCents and runs Gman every game.

>>53572923
>chaos get BTFO
>GW pulls a Storm of Chaos and makes it non-canon

GW is going to protect their precious chaos warriors and there's nothing you can do about it

>>53574374
>and that all the work of Mars has resulted in no nice toys whatsoever for us.

Orangers are not nice toys? Neutron Lasers are great.

>>53573059
Unlike AoS, there isn't a zillion order factions.

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A'ight boyz listen up! We're the BIGGEST and MEANEST of them all and we're gunna KRUMP 'em humies nice and propa! Gather your biggest and greenest boyz and win this one for the Orks. We'll krump em all at once!
The system is ours! The galaxy's ours! The edition' s ours!
WAAAAAAAAGH!!!

>>53574385
Oh please.
GW didn't retcon SoC for Chaos' sake.
They did it to create a new setting where Chaos gets it shit pushed in by Storm Marines.

>>53574268

Actually, it seems to be based on the Land Raider Chassis.

The Emperor gave an order that only marines can use that Chassis. There is good reasons that the Mechanicus can't field it.

>>53574374
>all the work of Mars has resulted in no nice toys whatsoever for us.

I wouldn't be so sure. The AdMech is going to be getting new releases eventually.

>>53574353
>arbitrary number
Its above 5% so it would be statistically significant, yet not so large as to feel obscene
>Why is a system too little to have fun with
because it is completely insignificant in the scale of 40k. Tens of thousands of worlds make up the imperium and this one tiny fraction of a region of a segmentum is important. It would be nice to have a campaign with larger significance.
But At least the LGS will get busier for a bit :D

>>53574406
Yeah but from what we've seen so far Chaos is gonna have a rough time of it against everyone else unless everyone decides to play Death Guard again.

>>53573032
Grand Alliance: Xenos victory is the only acceptable outcome.

>>53574442
Not really. Going by 40K global history, it's a 60/40, chance between the Imperium and Chaos in favor of Kyos.

Chaos stomped hard in the EoT while the Imperium iked out a victory in Fall of Medusa.

>>53574428
>Its above 5%

So what? It's meaningless. It's massive bloat.

>because it is completely insignificant in the scale of 40k. Tens of thousands of worlds make up the imperium and this one tiny fraction of a region of a segmentum is important.

Some worlds are more important that others. Armageddon was probably the best global campaign and it was fought for a single world.

>It would be nice to have a campaign with larger significance.

No it wouldn't. Because it just fucks with any logical progression of the wider fluff based on which army is more popular or powerful in game at the time.

>marines are the most played army
>recieve double points week one just for showing up
>xenos have no stake in the campaign
>Guilliman goes toe-to-toe with Magnus and Mortarion
>Guilliman arrives to save the Blood Angels at the last moment
>Warzone Ultramar: "we would beat them several times over if they desired to return"

bleh

>>53574467
>Chaos stomped hard in the EoT

It had a minor victory.

>the Imperium iked out a victory in Fall of Medusa.

I think the Imperial victory was quite sizeable in FoM, I don't think Chaos even came second, since the campaign ended with Ygethemor getting cut up by an Eldar autarch.

>>53574467
Chaos also had some of the best rules in the game for EoT.
Now? Not so much.

>>53574270
>Large scale campaigns are shitty though
This, "low" scale stakes are best and help to make the setting feel big. When the fates of the galaxy depend on a single plane, your galaxy is fucking small, but when even a fight in some random world involve titans and years long military campaign, your galaxy is huge.

>>53574502
>It had a minor victory.

Due to BFG. The WD that came after said that Chaos players dominated in nearly every single front.

There is no BFG on more, sonny boy,

>inb4 chaos wins, but sanguinius shows up to save guilliman and a mysterious hivefleet kills all the chaos and leaves their armor in a distinct random pile on some moon
it's like pottery

>>53574551
BFG results came in later.
Chaos did win, but it was only ever a minor victory.

>There is no BFG on more, sonny boy,

There's no invincible daemon princes or daemon bombs either.

>>53572923
>
By working together to register as many wins for non-marine forces against marines as possible, we can push back against the Ward-tier fluff that has been consuming the Ultramarines lately. And by push back, I mean slaughter and burn

Erm, am I the only person who thinks that this would have the opposite effect? Surely this "campaign" is really just a means of doing market research with regards to game balance, and if GW think the marines are taking it hard, they will just start pumping out stronger models/rules changes for them?

>>53574154
Chapter approved is where all the other shit outside of rulebooks goes in. Originally it used to be a part of White Dwarf where GW would give rules for units people were asking to be statted. Expect plenty of obscure factions getting filled in.

>>53574610
>urely this "campaign" is really just a means of doing market research with regards to game balance

Nope, it's to build community bonds, and also to get you to buy things.

>>53573068

>one of the

It's saying it's one a few pathways not that it's one jump away. As the map highlights there's 5 routes in and out of Macragge.

>tfw you live five minutes from warhammer world
>tfw you can go a play massive battles to decide the fates of worlds on the beautiful tables
>tfw your army is currently eight unpainted tactical marines

>>53574703
Do you ever stand outside to see if you can catch a glimpse of Duncan?

>>53574726
You have to walk through the GW office car park to get to the entrance, I'd hate to be thrown out for lingering. But yes, every time I go I do take a moment to see who is coming out of the office.

>>53574647

Well, buying things certainly ties in with what I said: If someone's favourite faction turn out to be uncompetitive in the new edition, they'll be running to stores to buy the latest upgrade/release, which has been designed on market research, possibly gained from the campaign data.

However, I cannot refute your point with regards to community bonds - perhaps I am just being too cynical in that respect. This is the new GW after all... :D

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>>53572923
>Let's burn the place to the ground!
Fuck off Chaosfag! This is the age of the Imperium resurgent, and we're not going to lose one more inch of ground to you tentacled shits!

>>53574467
>EoT
>When not only did Chaos have the best codex ever invented
>it also got the lost and the damn to make Imperial guard literally worthless.

>>53572923
Ultramarines aren't in any danger, that's why it's on Konor, so that if Chaos wins, they can just be repelled from Ultramar in a one paragraph fluff blurb.

>>53573032
You xenos just have to have everything don't you? Why can't you let chaos shine for a change? Poor, poor chaos has been so neglected for so long, and now you're mad that GW is finally giving chaos a chance in the fluff >:^(

>>53574868
From what I gather, the Conditions of victory in this campaign is If Imperials win, they push Chaos back closer to the rift, if Chaos Wins they get a way to push deeper into Imperium Primiris.

>>53574634
This. Grey Knights even started out in Chapter Approved as a single unit of Terminators.

>>53574889
Precisely. Konor is a major route into the Ultramar system. Thus the player campaign is there, so that if chaos wins, they can be routed at Ultramar later without risking the Ultramarines to pesky player input in a campaign.

>>53574935
They wouldn't really enjoy wiping out actual player factions, Tomb Kangs and Brets showed them that.

This will strike a nice balance between events actually impacting fluff and Eye of Terror tier stupidity.

>>53574889
I wouldnt mind if they did campaigns in a similar format after this
>campaign is x vs x (eldar v 'crons, tau v orks etc)
>every other faction can choose to help one or the other
Probably easier than writing potential victory scenarios for each race.

>>53574978
>Your boyz from Octavia krump those chaos boyz trying to muscle in on your fightin' grounds

>>53574829
>best codex ever invented
Why?

>>53574996
Why?

>Thousands of options upon options
>Most of them extremely cheap
>At the time, you could make wound allocation make your army impossible to kill
>Iron Warriors could have Basilisks and exchange Elite and Fast attack slots for Heavy Support slots

>>53574969
>and Eye of Terror tier stupidity.
I see the Imperial snowflakes are still mad that they lost. You can't win every time faggot.

>>53574978
Well you can still have more than two factions if the circumstances justify it, the point is you don't HAVE to.

>>53575035
Yeah, the Chaos books being fucking broken had nothing to do with that while the Space marine and Imperial Guard books were some of the oldest and worst.

>>53575032
Sounds like it was only goof for IW vindicator cheese.

>>53575077
>IW Heavy support cheese
>Cultist spam
>Slaanesh super Daemon Princes
>Unkillable Nurgle armies
>Wizardspam


Hell, even slightly worse things like World Eater Legions were still the best melee army in the game.

>>53574776
How are Custodes looking in 8th edition rules-wise? Do they rape as much as they do in 30k?

>>53575041
Exactly. I always thought one of the reasons they stopped campaigns was because they kept thinking they needed all the factions in and just couldnt keep coming up with reasons why they were there. Now if they do it this way they can come up with compelling reasons for 2 or 3 factions and just say 'oh and small forces of the other guys were there too but they didnt have a reason to be there beyond what you come up with yourself'

>>53575067
>t-they were OP I swear!
Nice excuses sore loser. The codexes were fine, you just lost. Accept it and move on like every none imperial has been forced to do ever since, because thanks to your autistic screeching the Imperium would never be allowed to lose an open fight to chaos ever again.

And yet you still cry. This is incredible.

>>53575122
You have 4 units.
No HQs.

>>53575147
G8 B8 M8 10/10

>>53575147
>Chaosfag defends the 3E codex
>Y-You're just crying

Jokes on you motherfucker, I'm a World Eater's player.

The 3E dex was so broken it was hilarious. Not a single fucking Army could survive a charge from my Khornate fuckers, and they were the weakest Legion in the book.

>>53575106
>Hell, even slightly worse things like World Eater Legions were still the best melee army in the game.
So basically... You are butthurt because Chaos was actually good at what it wad supossed to in the fluff?

You can't make this shit up.

>>53575147
>The codexes were fine

Marines had a pamphlet codex and Chaos Marines had the most custmoisable codex of all time.
Not even Chaos players will usually defend the 3.5e codex as balanced.

>why_konor.jpg

>>53575194
Shit man, you're right.
I guess it's okay that Eldar and Tau could effortlessly sweep armies off the table last edition because that's what they could do in the fluff.

>>53575194
No. I am "Butthurt" We were the best, with literally zero contest at all.

Compare World Eaters to Space Wolves at the time.

>Get all of their special rules via the Veteran skill list for like 5-10 points a pop
>Have literally none of the downsides.

>>53575191
>im a WE player
I don't believe you, post your army faggot. Are you seriously bitching because World Eaters were good at their only specific role? Sure thing imperiumcuck.

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>>53575147
>someones actually defending chaos 3ed

>>53575240
>At only their specific role

LOLNO. Because the Legion rules said "Needs to use X mark" and if I recall you could also take Unmarked.

So why did I ever take Khorne Berserkers over CSM with bolters, Bolt Pistol and CCW as standard, with MoK, And still take my Two metlaguns, All wrapped up in a nice little Rhino with more offense than the Imperial one, with none of the downsides because the points cost was hilariously slow.

Follow that with a "Daemon Prince" who could hide in a unit.

And that's if I wanted to be nice to the guy and played a WE list and not just a Khorne themed army, then I'd just use Unmarked CSM and destroy everything because they could be specialized AND were fairly fucking cheap.

>>53575235
>waaah waaaah why can't a loyalist mostly generalist legion not trash the melee obsessed psycho-implanted traitors who literally worship the god of rip and tear in melee waaaah waaah
I'm butthurt because we weren't just better CSM: The post.

>>53575219
Focus, the subject at hand is the Eye Of Terror campaign, which you are STILL butthurt about because SM lost, despite it having been retconned for over 10 years due to your autistic screeching.

>>53575211
>having a fluffy customizable codex is bad and broken
So I guess you would call the 7e SM dex an OP mess right? Because fluffy and customizable are exactly what it is, you fucking faggot.

>>53572923
anonymous is legion!

epic bro, let's troll GW!!

>>53575374
Are you fucking deluded?

The point I am making is I could run a WE army, literally smash apart anything in CC and STILL run as a generalist Army that could handle anything.

>>53575329
Khorne Berzerkerd didn't even exist as a unit back then. Stop making shit up.

>>53575404
Post your army, assblasted furfag player.

>>53575414
>Khorne Berzerkers didn't even exist as a unit back then Stop making shit up

Nigga, Khorne Berzerkers are like one of the oldest plastic marine models

>>53575434
>I'm a butthurt furfag because I don't say the 3E book was fair and balanced

Top kek, GTFO of here Carnac.

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>>53572923
They shall pay for Damnos.

>>53575374
>So I guess you would call the 7e SM dex an OP mess right?

Compared to a pamphlet codex? Absolutely.
I actually like customisable codexes, but they are almost impossible to balance.
Chaos had an extremely customisable codex, and so broke the game in a time where most everyone else had shitty pamphlet codexes.

>>53575414
Nigga in the 3.5e book Khorne Berzerkers not only existed, they stole the fucking Choppa rule and made any armor above 4+ 4+

Which was still shit because Basic marines were like a Swiss Army nuke. They could literally do everything.

>>53575459
>Nigga, Khorne Berzerkers are like one of the oldest plastic marine models
From fucking 4th edition. Confirmed for asshurt furfag.

>I'm a butthurt furfag because I don't say the 3E book was fair and balanced
Nice try furfag, you were literally bitching because a chaos specialist faction wasn't outclassed by an imperial generalist faction at it's own role. You're litetally butthurt that you weren't better at everything LMAO

POST YOUR SO-CALLED WORLD EATERS, YOU ASSHURT FURFAG.

>>53575471
Then you're completely retarded. GW will never nerf, much less remove options from SM or Eldar again, might as well give the same tools to other factions.

>>53575579
>GW will never nerf, much less remove options from SM or Eldar again

Did I say they would you dumb fuck?
No.
I'm saying that at the time of the Eye of Terror, Chaos had a super OP codex.
I'm not saying I'm against customisation.
I'm not saying Chaos should have no customisation.

At the time they did, and so they were OP in comparison to all the shitty pamphlet codexes.

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>>53572923
Fuck you hereteks, I may have shitty rules in 8th, I may have lost out on a bunch of fluffy rules and options, but I still have faith in the omnissiah, and I will not let a bunch of fucking nimwit, shit eatin', rust spreadin', soul corruptin', daemon engine makin', scrap codein', daemonette fuckin', Nurgle licken', technology stealin', AI creatin', wazzocks touch my fucking shit.

This is a Forgeworld, and thus it is Admech, and thus, you need to keep your hands off it, you little shits.

>>53575621
Then they should've bumped the other codexes instead of nerfing Chaos.

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>>53575579
Jesus fucking christ, talk about a Newfag Chaos baby.

Khorne Berserkers were released in plastic in 3rd edition following the 3rd edition chaos book.

BEFORE that, Khorne Berserkers got I think a 2E model or a very early 3E monopose Model like the plague marines.

You are so autistic it hurts. I used SW as an example that despite them having a seperate codex that gave them MORE CC options and for them to be the CC oriented SM army, my Khorne WE army could fucking trounce them at it with ease.

I'm not taking the effort to post my army to some fucking clown on the internet trying to defend the 3.5e Dex.

The 3.5e Dex was fucking filthy man, It felt like kicking a small dog against anyone else.

>>53575706
Again, not even relevant to the discussion.
It's not about what GW should have done, but about what happened at the time of the Eye of Terror campaign.
At the time Chaos was the hottest shit around, and that undoubtedly contributed to their victory.
Just like them being shit undoubtedly contributed to their defeat at Medusa V.

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>>53575750
There's a few floating around that date to even the earliest eras.

>>53575579
>you were literally bitching because a chaos specialist faction wasn't outclassed by an imperial generalist faction at it's own role
No, he was saying that his berserkers were so above any other units that they met virtually no opposition in close combat. There is good, there is best and then there is no match. The later don't make good game.

I don't even know if this is true, but stop with your strawman and either refute his point by proving that berzerkers (or 3E chaos in general) weren't that good or concede the point.

>>53575838
There are metal rogue trader Berserkers. I think this clown didn't even play in 3E, or rather he played during the extreme tail end, which was the time of EoT anyway.

3rd edition was what? 9 years or so? 1990 to 1999?

>>53573226

To have fun, you contrarian faggot.

>Waaaah i cant enjoy the campaign unless My Dudes are destroying the posterboys waaaah

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>>53575750
>he actually thinks he can fool me by posting krautscientist's shit
>b-but m-muh SW had more options! t-they s-should have been better than the melee focused warp-amplified psychologically-modified gladiator-themed traitor legion!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA confirmed for eternally assblasted furfag

>y-your not worth posting my world eaters army!
Because you don't have one AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA into the trashcan it goes

I can smell your asshurt from here. Fucking delicious.

>>53575868
3rd was 98-04 I believe.

>>53575858
>btfo so hard he resorts to samefagging
TOP KEK

>>53574374

Primaris Marines are underpoweree as shit though. Wtf?

>>53575888
Jesus, calmdown with the Butthurt there, your numbers may summon Khorne himself

>he thinks that image was me trying to say that's MY model.

What Asshurt is there to be had? I raped the shit out of everything during the 90ies.

>>53575905
Well shit, color me stupid then. It felt much longer.

>>53575868
>9 years or so? 1990 to 1999?
Anon thats 27-18 years ago at this point.

>>53575930
Did you just blow in from /b/ or some shit? I'm not samefagging at all you chucklefuck.

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>>53575960
>That's 27-18 years ago at this point

>>53575945
>aggressively bashes 3.5ED and EoT because chaos was actually good back then
>specifically complains about SW not being better than WE at close combat
>i'm not an assblasted furfag i swear!
Whatever you say, snowflake. We all know you can't take a loss.

POST YOUR ARMY FURFAG

>Promotion: Talk to your customer
>No rewards, not even something lame like a 10% off coupon or a raffle to win a starter set or some shit
GW is the strangest company

>>53575930
No, but even if that was the case, you still haven't address his point in the slightest.
Answer the damn point or stop.

>>53574868
Chaos always fucking shines because they shove it into everything.

>>53574996

It wasnt, people just make the fallacy that More Options = better.

In reality it was a bloated mess and had Tyranid-tier internal imbalance.

>>53576022
>enable my samefaggotry or m-make it s-stop!
Lmao

>>53576046
This.

>>53574703

Could make a Kill Team and play for strategically significant objectives against other Kill Teams in places where full companies can't get to like ZM boards.

>>53575685
Surely you aren't questioning the authority of the Emperor's Holy Inquisition to root out heresy, good magos?

>>53576044
>Chaos always fucking shines because they shove it into everything.
Being used as the ultimate imperial punching bag is not 'shining'.

>>53576007
>You cannot look back in reflection on your army being broken and accept that.

I used SW as an example because during I think 5E through to like 7th I simply used the SW rules for my WE because Combat became worse and worse for Chaos armies and the codex came more and more focused around running Nurgle lists.

The fact that you speak like a badly written 1d4chan article makes me think you're rather young and stupid though.

Tell me, What am I to gain from saying the 3.5E book was broken? You know all through 3rd edition chaos was super popular right?

Every fucker looked in the 3E rulebook with the coloured mini pages and saw the badass metal Chaos Space Marines, it helped that Chaos got TWO codexes during 3rd edition. I think the only other guys who got two were IG.

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I don't care about the smurfs, Girlyman or their new boyfriends.
But by the Emperor, give the guard a chance to shine and regain some honor after loosing the Imperiums second or third most fortified planet.

>>53576119
I like to think that loss was a team effort.

>>53576072
Still not addressing his point.

>>53576254
Still taking a bite his bait.

>>53576254
>Responding to Carnac
Stop.

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>>53576078
Me? I'd never dare to even consider running such a program. But, I think a Nurgling might have snuck into my vulkite blaster. Mind taking a look down the barrel for it?

>>53576044
Chaos doesn't show up in everything. I know this because GW says so. Chaos has been neglected and now 8e will give them all the attention they deserve. :^>

>>53573002
Basically, time to start specializing in marine murder.

Let the age of Eldar Starcannon spam reign oncemore.

>>53576652
Chaos shows up literally all the time, they just never win. Tyranids and Necrons have wiped entire sectors of life, but it's a miracle when chaos is allowed to succeed at anything outside of their own codexes.

>>53577452
It's a miracle when ANYONE wins outside of their own codices. That isn't a Chaos thing, that's a How GW Writes thing.
Besides, Chaos won Fantasy. They shouldn't be the one and only top badguy in 40k as well - they should have to share that role equally.
Not lesser than the others, not better than the others.

>>53577552
>Chaos won Fantasy
The patent office and jews won fantasy

>>53577552
That's rich, they were the top bad guy since RT. Literally everyone else was just a sideshow, and after 8 editions you should've wised up to the fact that's all the xenos will ever be.

I play Necrons. What can I do to reclaim bits of the Sautek dynasty while the Ultras are busy?

>>53573002
>Customers will get double points in the campaign for using a force that contains one or more of these units OR paints a datasheet that contains this unit type
>Week 1: Space Marines and Start Collecting! sets
So time to get a Triarch Stalker? Eh, they seem pretty alright in the new edition at least.
>Week 2: Elites
The same Stalker again.
>Week 3: Tanks
Both Arks are pretty good. Or I could crack out one of my Monoliths.
>Week 4: Psykers
... do I get anything for using Spyders to shut down enemy pyskers?
>Week 5: Fast Attack/Flyers
Destroyers or a Doom Scythe
>Week 6: Lords of War/Scenery
An Obelisk is a bit of a big ask. But you can never have too much scenery I guess.

Do you idiots even think they'll allow any non-Marine armies to play a role? The campaign is clearly designed around DG and Smurfs, not a single fucking hint they're letting in anybody else.

And if you're so assblassted about the fluff, just start writing fanfic. Outside of Black Library, fluff has no bearing on the game anyway.

>>53577623
How cute, the second stringer thinks his metal men matter.

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>>53572923
Surrounded by foul heretics, vile traitors, and unending waves of insidious xenos, Ultramar has endured for millenia and it will continue to do so. WE MARCH FOR MACRAGGE!

So, give it your best shot! :D

>>53573002
So what, get a Skittle SC because I refuse to buy any Space Marines ever, then either paint some Sicarians or make some custom Servitors, then the Dunecrawler, then one of my Inquisitors, then a Dragoon or two, and THEN some Sector Mechancius or possibly my custom Stormbird if it's anywhere near done by then. Excellent.

>>53575882
Because that's so much better then

>Waaaah i cant enjoy the campaign unless My Dudes ARE the posterboys waaaah

>>53574634
thanks anon

>>53577623
>Nids
>No tanks or lords of war
Well fuck.
Maybe bring in a Genestealer Cult vehicle or something I guess?
And would Gargoyles turned into Zoanthropes count for Start Collecting! purposes? Or does it HAVE to be the units themselves not the models?

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>>53572923
>It's Chaos vs Imperium
I just want to play DE, who are now close to their 5ed strength, and take the system for Commarragh

>tfw Blood angels and Tyranids win the campaign
It's payback time, chaoscucks and girlyfags

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>>53575329
Once you have your csm the mark of khorne they became zerkers.

Either you're lying about playing world eaters or you're a cheater

>>53578448
...that says that Berzerkers have the mark by default, and that these other things can also have the mark. Unless you're saying that if you give bikers the Mark of Khorne they lose their bikes because they're now a unit of Khorne Berzerkers, or that the Lord becomes a single Khorne Berzerker instead of a Chaos Lord with the Mark of Khorne.

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>>53578503
Bikers are not chaos space marines with. They are Chaos Space Marine Bikers. Different unit name.

Chaos Space Marines (unit name) with MoK are berserkers. In this book, they have no profile, because they're just csm with mok.

>>53578005
I'm gonna make a slaanesh sorcerer model bound in chains for my world eaters army.

>>53575888
Witnessed khorns chosen
his favourite acolyte
and prime amongst his champions

>>53577699
They're just going to do what they did last time and make them sign up for one of the two teams.

So you're going to get imperial Orks fighting chaos tyranids.
Chaos necrons and imperial genestealers.
Chaos Tau vs imperial dark eldar.

>>53572923
>new campaign with player-registered victories
>this is the first showing off of the Primaris marines
>player-registered victories

>>53575191
Have to agree, word bearer here, dread axe dp and bloodletter daemon bombs, oblits probably at their strongest, having basically unbreakable troops with Mark of chaos undivided

>>53575191
Thousand son player here. You weren't the weakest legion, khorne was strictly easy mode. Summoning blood letters (the s5 gym bro's, not the current noodles) and charging up the field in mobs of choppa wielding zerkers was powerful as hell. A berzerker sergeant got 4 attacks, not on the charge and had access to discount powerfists and daemon weapons.
It was a great codex for customising dudes and a bad codex for strict balance- you could make a unit of disc riding sorcerer chosen at about 100 points a guy, terrible but possible.

>>53573059

The amusing thing about the AOS campaign the win ratios were almost 1:1 for the number of armies for each faction.

>>53572923
>hates Primaris
are you Traditio?

>>53574703

Have you tried finding the vindicare assassin on that board display?

>>53574237
>Random new-world #194 is in crisis! this super important campaign will decide the fate of a whole .2% of ultramar! The horror!

Single planet/sector campaigns are for the best, dude.

Armageddon is looked upon vastly more favourably than any of the bigger badder global campaigns that followed it.

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>>53572923
Ultramarines player, reporting in.. oh wait. Wrong thread

>>53575945
>Well shit, color me stupid then. It felt much longer.

That's because 4E was mostly just a rules clean up of 3E.

>xenos factions can't actually win for themselves, they can only cancel a win for Imperium or chaos

Told you they were all just NPC races.

>>53587300
I'll be playing loads just to spite the other 2 factions
I also play DE, so i guess it fits

:^)

>>53577731
I'm gonna fug u up 0w0

>>53572923
>inb4 Imperium wins the Space War and Chaos wins the land war.

>>53577452
>have entire game just for Chaos marines vs Space marines with Horus Heresy
>decide to turn 40k into that as well

Bruh no one cares of chaos always loses, we care about how they're way over exposed

>>53589959
>what's that you fucking faggots?
>you don't like how we make too much space marine shit?
>fine, here, we'll make some bad guy shit for you
>EVIL SPACE MARINES

The ultras will win. They always win. I just want to see their homeworld destroyed... but no.

>>53572923
You know this will be a complete, onesided stomp for the Imperium, right?

>sm
>AdMech
>Guard in all its variants

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>>53572923
>Replace sm chapters with legions
ITS BRUVA-KILLING WAR BETWEEN GLORIUS LEGIONS OF UBERHUMANS

>>53575414

are you retarded? They are in the 2e codex. They triple charge range.

>>53575750
In 2e bezerkers came in a plastic. A box of 6 for $12.50 in the US

>>53574206
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Konor

"Konor was reclassified as a full Forge World after the Heresy, but at some point was degraded to a mere Research Station."

>>53574374
I taste salt.

Rolled 2 (1d2)

1 I roll Sisters of Battle and fight my hardest for the Imperium.
2 I roll Necrons and take every victory I can away from Imperium.

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>>53593860
> Necrons
Well, here we go then, lads. Damnos Resurgent.

>>53578503
So... at what point does this make them less unbalanced because most didn't deny special weapons

Oh boy, can't wait to see what kind of dumb chaos wank comes out of this.

>>53574268
Then make war for the admech. When all else fails, follow your brothers. No matyer what path you and your brothers turn, theres always family. [Spoiler] Its why im gonna use my Word Bearers with Iron Warrior superfriends. Bros before hos. /[Spoiler]

>>53574996

It was both very fluff oriented, and strong on the power level. It was a time when wanting to play a specific god or Legion wasn't just shooting your self in both feet. There were some really dirty demon prince builds, and included everyone's favorite minigame of, "find the model carrying the Bloodthirster before he finds you."

>>53574410
WAAAGH!!!!!! MAIM KILL BURN I MEAN UHHH WAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH KRUMP EM GOOD

>>53575868

>9 years ago
>1990

Anon, I have some bad news for you....

>>53573062
No, that was the light drizzle of Chaos. End Times actually ended Fantasy.

>>53573149
Don't forget the surprise Ork donkey punch.

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How do you think they're going to run this balance wise? Through a combination of boredom and poor financial decisions I have a titan maniple (a warlord and 3 warhounds) i would like to enter for shits'n'giggles. I also need pic related to be available.

>>53594208

GRIMGOR IZ BEST!!!!

>>53574181
Seconded. Apparently Guilliman and Cawl can just pull any old shit out of their asses because they're "very, very smart."

Fuck you. Why the fuck isn't the Ecclesiarchy even slightly worried that Girlyman had been corrupted by chaos at all. Fucking Horus got turned during a regular nap, and Girlyman has been sleeping for 10,000 years and no one's even slightly concerned?

>>53594349
Nobody alive today knows how Horus was turned.

Guilliman has been treated as a saint for several hundred human lifetimes; to doubt him is heresy, in a society built around abhoring heresy

Cawl has been working for 10k years, and the only reason he hasn't rolled this shit out sooner is despite it being useful, working shit, it would've been called tech-heresy. Now that he has the backing of Guilliman - who, to remind you, is viewed as one of nine bastions of spiritual purity among those who make decisions - he can actually roll his designs out.

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>>53578347
This

Mon'keigh cucks fuck off

>>53594325
Its a fucking forgerworld,
They'd better have good balance for the Legio Titanicus

>>53572923
>this is the first showing off of the Primaris marines, and is taking place in Rowboat's back yard
>>53572923
>push back against the Ward-tier fluff that has been consuming the Ultramarines lately.

As if these two points didn't already tell you how the campaign will end, you add

>>53572923
>Anyone who knows about how the old Eye of Terror campaign went

So come on, Anon. Points for optimism, but the Ultramarines will win a hard fought victory, a few random unpopular marine characters will die.

There will be a random xenos ally who helps the marines win in some way.

The npc races will lose someone big alongside a random assortment of characters.

The bad guy races are defeated to forge that narrative despite how hilariously one sided the campaign actually was for the good guys getting their shit kicked in

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>>53594457
Not op but
> a few random unpopular marine characters will die.

If anyone has a miniature it is impossible for them to die . Period.
This is what makes all these events un-exciting.

Whatever happens the end result will be a few footnotes on how many billion dudes died,how many worlds exploded etc. And that woudl be the end of it.

>>53594386
>Guilliman has been treated as a saint for several hundred human lifetimes; to doubt him is heresy, in a society built around abhoring heresy

Certainly, but in a society that is domineered and essentially ruled by an Imperial Inquisition, you'd think that the Inquisition would inquire about the validity of Guilliman's revival. If someone told an evangelical Christian that Christ has risen again, I doubt their first response would be to believe it without the slightest hint of speculation. Especially in a world where inter-planetary communication is essentially done with psychic-radio.

I suppose in a universe designed to sell plastic army-mans, I can see your points, but it'd be great if any of the fiction focused around the "what the fuck holy shit"-ness that the Inquisition would probably be going through at the time.

>>53576099
>Being used as the ultimate imperial punching bag
Ayyyldary avatars say hi

>>53576176
>>53576119

A Necron tricked you, so technically a xenos soloed that planet

>>53594457
>a few random unpopular marine characters will die.

Fucking finally. They better get rid of some of the scores upon scores of Ultramarine ICs no one runs.

But if they fucking touch Pedro I will riot.

So it's either
a)Chaos wins, gets to gloat for it for some times but gets their shit pushed in brutally when they try to enter deeper into Ultramar
b)Imperium wins and Morty will probably hang himself out of shame.
Wow.. great stakes! That really forged my narrative.

>>53594514
>If anyone has a miniature it is impossible for them to die . Period.

So the deaths are fluff characters who never got models or rules.

They'll likely pull and Eldrad and kill him officially but keep him in the codex for "pre-event historical battles".

Alternatively, they do a Tycho and if it's a SM character, he gets the "pre-death" rules and "final days" rules, while if it's a chaos character he gets "classic" rules and "fallen/daemon-rebirth-mode" rules.

>>53594767
Morty dies in the climactic final battle either way but since he's chaos instead of dying he just goes into the warp screaming in a daemon language "Next time!"

>>53594914
I'll be back Lord-General! You'll see!

>>53594514
Now, now.
If it's a Citadel Finecast(TM) only miniature, there's a chance they're on the chopping block. Especially if the mold's started giving out.

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>>53572923

The Hive Mind hungers. Time to give these so-called chadmarines a hands-on experience of what happened to their famous "1st company"

>>53594514
Aun'Va would beg to disagree. Oh wait, he can't because he got killed in Mont'ka!

>>53594664
>technically a xenos soloed that planet
Trayzn just did it for the XP

>>53594386
>who, to remind you, is viewed as one of nine bastions of spiritual purity among those who make decisions
In the imperium. The admec is not just the imperium with different clothes. The relationship between the imperial faith and the admec one is complex, rocky and held together with bubblegum.

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>>53572923
What size point games do they usually have for store games? Is it usually just one list you choose or a larger list that you use part of at a time?

And does anyone have the new points for land raiders and razorbacks?

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>>53594914
>>53595012
I'll get you next time Guilleman! Neeeexxxt Tiiiiimmee!!!

>>53573032
>Tau annex an Ultramar world

>>53598407
In that pic, the word "jihad" is actually appropriate when used in the traditional sense,
as Spongebob legitimately "struggles" every day at a dead-end job to afford the house and only has what he has through hard work and self-improvement

>>53594096

TIME FER DA GREEN CROOSADE!

>>53593439
POST PROOF

OH WAIT YOU CANT BUTTHURT FURFAG AHAHAHA

>>53577971

Except any imperial faction can participate on the Marines behalf,and the entire other half of the campaign is Chaos forcedly dipshit.

>>53594587
The Inquisition doesn't run shit. The Inquisition and Space Marines have always been roughly on the same tier in regards to Authority, and Space Marines are pretty much autonomous from the Imperium of man unless something blatantly goes wrong such as a mass traitor. The Space Wolves have told the Inquisition to screw off on at least three occasions, and sometimes inquisitors even take the Marines' side against their colleagues.

The Inquisition would never rule to do anything to Guilliman because that would basically be Civil War. Which is something that the Imperium cannot afford when chaos is running rampant throughout the Galaxy.

>>53600935
>implying that the Inquisition declaring civil war wouldn't be a grimdark and interesting as fuck thing to happen in the universe

Although it'd literally spell the end of the Imperium of man and be impossible to come back from.