Elf Thread:

>>53569001
They'd perform like Finns. Namely that during the Winter War and onwards.

>>53569001
Elf thread wat do

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>>53569001
Probably quality over quantity special operator units of either long range snipers, highly precise riflemen that don't even need that much tech to assist their aim, or sneaky assassins, spies and saboteurs. Can operate without support individually in enemy territory over a long time. Best gorilla fighters.

They probably also make great scouts.

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>>53569142
Shitpost of course!

>>53569001
Elves are for seuxal.

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>>53569728
Say that one more time anon.

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>this meme post >>53569728 gets a reply before the post that contributes to the thread >>53569161
Yes, good thread. Quality thread.

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>>53570097
Relax, someone's bound to give a reasonable response to such a reasonable post soon. Give it time.

Also I say human women would like/lust/crave for elven men just as much as human men like/love elf women.

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>>53570131
There needs to be of this, not only because it would be logical, also because it fucks with waifufags, self-insert-fags and HFY-faggots

>>53569161
They'd basically be like the Asari from Mass Effect. Quick, agile, and good with combo'ing their modern firearms with magic. Tend to prefer highly skilled teams of Spec Ops and Splinter Cell style murder-strike teams.

>>53569001

If we're to take the Elves live a long time (let's say 500 years for shits and grins) perhaps some majority Elven countries/nations would have their citizens join the military as a matter of course so everyone at least receives the basic military training however the process of becoming a professional soldier is a life long endevour that one devotes themselves to entirely.

Now that I think about it I basically described the Eldar but then that makes the most sense for such a race.

>>53570017
Elves are for seuxal.

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>>53570131
>human women would like/lust/crave for elven men

Yes. Yesss.

There's like ZERO art of this out there and I hate it.

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>>53570289
DnD elves already start proficient with several weapons, which means basic training, at least for personal fighting, is mandatory in their cultures. Warhammer High Elves have every citizen training in the militia as spearmen and archers.

Some while ago a military anon explained that after some extensive training your regular elf would just need some basic refreshment from time to time to maintain their skills, like they sometimes did in the medieval world on holidays, festivals or the weekend, and he can be a productive member for the rest of the year. Thus they can get a very high ratio of at least semi professional soldiers compared to their overall population.

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>>53570382
>>53570131
Might as well.

>be human boy in lame human village
>hear one day that elfen bards are visiting our tavern and will perform
>all the boys and men get excited
>we all have read those picture books from the far east
>our crotches are swollen by anticipation
>the day has come, but we are late, the tavern is already bursting with people
>wait a minute
>this is not the sound of human men grunting and masturbating under the table, but high-pitched screaming girl voices
>I never thought that elves would sing like this
>we enter
>wait another minute
>those are the girls of the village shrieking, completely out of control
>their heads follow every dance move of these unbelievable handsome elven guys
>their bodies shiver at every hip shake of these timeless elven bodies
>their minds faint everytime these charming elven smiles are directed at them
>local priests carry the exhausted girls out of the tavern
>they were prepared, they knew
>but they didn't prepare us
>"Guys, let's just leave" was all that I could say
>the party didn't stop until the next morning
>some never returned

>>53570431
>The Elven Invasion
>Johniel
>Ringol
>Paulion
>Georgebrimbor

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>>53569001

"I'v been shipped out and stationed in the elven nation/country of Sarenbel. Where I and hundreds of other marines and various other infantry units and grunts are gonna be working with those High Elf wizards and Wood Elf Rangers and woodsmen.

Also a superior was friendly and kind enough to tell me I'm gonna be one of the many grunts who'll teach our elf bros how to use guns, aim down them sights, reload, pull the trigger, have trigger discipline. And all that other firearms jazz. What advice and tips can you give a little ol' corporal about elven culture and whatnot so I don't make myself a complete fool to our elf bros?"

>>53570600
Fantasy races being stuck in ye olden age while humans advance normally is bad and you should feel bad.

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>>53570633
I dunno with you, but thought I'd do a wee lil' RP since this is /tg/ after all. Plus if you wana feel the humans shouldn't be too advanced. have set up in a WW2 scenario.

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>>53570382
May this one help.

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>>53569001
>>53569161
>>53569017

So I guess its safe to assume or say this:

High Elves are battle/tactical mages who'd do firearms-magics combo. And Wood Elves would use rifles, battle rifles and snipers.

they'd mostly prefer semi-auto battle rifles or just assault rifles in burst fire as opposed to longer full-auto assault rifles. And when they have to use automatics, they'd use compact PDWs and smaller sub-machine guns. Or they'd just use pistols instead but generally and most of the time elves would use SMGs, PDWs, and just pistols since they prefer finesse along with their magics.

A high elf battlemage will prefer using an SMG or PDW in one hand so that he/she can use his/her other free hand for magic. While the wood elves are content with rifles, sniper rifles, or battle rifles like the FAL.

>>53569001
>implying wussy daisy eaters could happily deal with the robustly muscular FN-FAL and its weight and recoil

t. Australian infantryman 1989-1994

>>53571407
High elves and wood elves are easy, now do dark elves and/or drow.

>>53571445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTQSBm5A_FI

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>>53571445
>Elven kind has adapted/mastered the use of your firearms, just us much as you humans boast about mastering the magical arts. Now quit this silly rhetoric that we elves can't use guns. Because we have proven efficient with such tools combined with our magics

t. Elven Tactical Mage Larrel Keaven

>>53571460
>now do dark elves and/or drow.

Dude, highly trained urban warfare capable soldiers with a large number of female soldiers and a propensity for fighting insurgents on their own home turf?

Just copy/paste what the Israelis use, no contest.

>>53571494
Most of female israeli soldiers aren't fighting, though.

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>>53571517
Well we're talking about fictional races/people with mastery and better connection with magic and have pointy ears. So leave such real life gender roles at the door.

Plus i think Dark Elves/Drow are very unorthodox operatives and fighters too.

>>53571517
>>53571517
Everything else still applies, though.

Also, really? I didn't know that. Even Israel isn't actually gender-neutral, I'm a little disappointed.

>>53571445
7.62 is by no means a slouch of a round but it's not like it destroys shoulders, especially out of a 21" FAL.
Didn't Australia adopt the AUG by then, anyway?

>>53571546
>So leave such real life gender roles at the door
I'm honestly no fan of regular female elf soldiers at all, for various reasons
This of course doesn't concern PCs or powerful individuals

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>>53571562
In every western army girls only make up a miniscule part of the fighting force.

>>53571460
Like I said at >>53571546

Dark Elves/Drow are very unorthodox operatives and fighters who have little regard for any variant or version of the Geneva Convention or other ehtical combat rights.

Drow/Dark Elves have very little regard for the well being of other combatants outside of their own. So if one surrenders and raises their arms, a Drow Elf trooper will just shoot that person's face.

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>>53569001

>>53571584
The F88 (localised version of the AUG) was rolled out between 1989 and 1992. The SLR (localised version of the FN-FAL) was still in use in various units through that time.

The SLR had decent recoil but it's biggest issue was its length and weight, it's a tiring weapon to carry and use.

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>>53569001

>>53571623
Yeah it sucks.

>>53571662
Maybe they'd a lot of shotguns and shit.

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>>53569001

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>>53569728
>>53571445

>Under estimating elves this much
>my pic when

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>>53569001

>>53571986
Lame.

>>53572026
I think that was also made by a DA artist who so happens to like Neverwinter Nights and is a fan girl for archer/ranger Bishop.

>>53571772
Is it wrong to express how elder scrolls elf girls are cute?

>>53572343
Only if you consult fanart.

>>53572378
ALL depictions are CUTE, same for eldar fan art.

>>53572904
Give me cute canon art.

>>53569001
Honestly, they'd basicly be prussians
>Relataively smaller population surrounded by hostiles states/races
>Rely on winning wars fast as they are at disadvantage in wars of attrition
>Go for knockout blows/concentrate forces in one area to breach and win
Though if you mean modern by our standards, yeah, they'd be all about that spec ops.

Going off Ops & Tactics:
Forest Elven Racial Traits
>Forest Elves are Medium Sized Creatures >Forest Elves have a Mental Limit equal to ((6+WIS Mod)×CL) + 15
>Forest Elves receive the extra feat Archaic Weapon Proficiency(Bows) at 1st level for free >Forest Elves receive a −3 Racial Recoil Penalty to recoil when using any weapon that has recoil (this is the important one)
>Forest Elves possess Low Light Vision, allowing them to see twice as far as normal in poor lightning conditions, as well as distinguish colors, even in dim lighting
>Forest Elves receive the extra feat Athlete at 1st level for free
>Forest Elves have a base Combat Point Score of 17
>Forest Elven CHP formula is CON−1
>Forest Elves have Sidhe as their native language, and receive Trade Bant as a secondary language

In O&T, recoil takes effect when doing anything other than precise single shots. So any sort of autofire is out of the question without low-recoil weapons, serious modification and brawny users. I eventually decided on the L1A1 for their primary service rifle, as it's semi-auto only but fires 7.62x51mm NATO (5d6 damage). There's also custom AR-15s that can fire even larger rounds in semi-auto, but they're prohibitively expensive outside of special ops and well-heeled enthusiasts. They're pretty weak in the modern age, but once energy weapons (which don't have recoil) come into play their usefulness increases again.

>>53573758
>someone post about OaTs elves
I am joyous of this.

Also I'd give elves ar 15s

>>53574586
I went with the L1A1 for the sake of novelty and comparative firepower and a potential ELF1A1 pun. Realistically speaking, any semi-auto-only rifle could work.

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Laying traps, sniping individual squad leaders, and general guerilla warfare.

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>>53574157
>mad cuz he doesn't belong to best race (the elven race)

>>53569001

Essentially Israel.

>Universal conscription and large ppol of reservists to counter the lowish population.

>Mobility, airpower, manoveur and superior firepower to win against larger armies.

oh my god a thread died for this?!?!?!?!?!?

>>53575497
It died for a good cause

Anybody got any Mystic/psionic looking elves?

>>53570431
>Nine months later
>Village teems with half elf babies

More gun/rifle elves please

>>53571609
>I'm honestly no fan of regular female elf soldiers at all, for various reasons

I've never understood this.

They're magical beings bruh. In many setting's they literally exist to fight for the forces of good.

>>53573758
>Forest Elves receive a −3 Racial Recoil Penalty to recoil when using any weapon that has recoil (this is the important one)

...Why?

>>53575977
>They're magical beings
This isn't really how fantasy settings threat them most of the time.
>In many setting's they literally exist to fight for the forces of good
One good reason more not to throw their baby factories into the meat grinder of battle.

>>53576110
>This isn't really how fantasy settings threat them most of the time.

Really?

I mean, take D&D. The average wood elf is automatically better at magic, has the ability to guide through difficult terrain like it's not even there, and can see in total darkness. Then you got high elves, who can teleport innately in a few editions, and drow, who can levitate and create supernatural darkness by concentrating.

Tolkien elves literally have more 'soul' than men (or, more accurately, their fea is their body) and can as such effect the world in a way men would consider magic.

WHFB elves and Eldar are both supernaturally swift and innately capable of magic.

Elves in IKRPG, unlike humans, have an in-built knack for arcane magic; while certain humans can have abberative magical powers, elves have magic by default and whether they can do it or not is a matter of whether they've had the time/education to hone this ability.

Elves are pretty dang magical in most settings.

>>53576221
These are all not good reasons to put them into armor and send them to get crushed in the frontline.

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>Ywn be the househusband to a qt elven wife who you cook good meals with before cuddling up on the couch and watching your favorites shows
I have a fetish related to this but I don't know what to call it.

>>53576355
>but I don't know what to call it

It's called 'lacking a spine'

>>53576355
Autism.

>>53576491
Yeah but everyone here has that one.

>>53576453
But that's the actual American Dream. Being able to do a stay at home job and lounge about the house with your loving exotic wife.

>>53569001
Since elves are faster than humans, they would perform amazingly in modern military

>>53576355
It's called being single for so long you fantasize about having a completely normal relationship.

>Tfw I do the same thing

>>53571623
Heh, at least Israelis have hotter blondes than most Euros, while also having badass anti-terror teams and units.

RIP Jonathan Netanyahu.

>>53569001
The exact same as any other modern day military force. There isn't any reason to assume that they'd be equipped or function differently based on their race. There's a thousand parameters your topic didn't bother to ask first.

>>53571767
I feel the need to point out that the most common weapon elves wield is the bow, specifically the long bow. Long bows required a great deal of upper body strength to shoot and a lifetime of training to properly master.

To this point, I would agree with the others. Battle rifles would most likely be their go to weapon with magic specialists getting something like a .45 Luger or PDW. Something precision crafted and decent caliber.

>>53580891

Something of note is that elves would likely do a lot of night ops. They can see significantly better than humans in low-light even before any gear to help them.

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>>53569394
>>53569728

>>53573758
>>Forest Elves receive a −3 Racial Recoil Penalty to recoil when using any weapon that has recoil (this is the important one)

Why would they do that? Any race good enough at archery to be all trained in longbow usage is going to be strong enough to handle recoil as well as any human soldier.

>>53580891
Having been into archery since I was a kid, I can confidently say that's bullshit. The strength required for a longbow depends on the bow itself (a 25 pound draw bow is light to carry and use).

The effort to draw a bow is also limited to the time where you draw, which is a short, static effort, not like lugging around a rifle constantly.

The FN is roughly ten pounds unloaded and almost four feet long. It's heavier than any longbow I've ever encountered.

I can assure you as a six foot two, 240lb adult male who's had extensive experience with both bows and FNs, that the FN is a far more tiring weapon all around.

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>>53569001

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>>53581100

>>53581092

>I can assure you as a six foot two, 240lb adult male who's had extensive experience with both bows and FNs, that the FN is a far more tiring weapon all around.

Mind you, that doesn't really make >>53573758 make much sense. The entire race is athletic enough to get 'Really good at athletics' as a bonus feat as well as longbow training and yet they somehow can't handle recoil?

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>>53581142

>>53569001

> Not having the carry handle taken off on a British L1A1.

Disgusting.

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>>53581179

>>53581092
The entire reasoning behind this is already retarded, assuming that elves are some kind of -4 STR race. Which they really aren't. If we take standard DnD stats they would have enough STR to wield all weapons ordinary humans also are able to use. You don't need some fucking 20 STR to use a warbow, contrary what longbow-fags might tell you.

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>>53577438
>completely normal relationship
>house husband
Pick one

>>53569001
>>53569017

>>53581253
That's a gun.

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>>53581253
Sako best elf

>>53581319
She's not an elf.

>>53581315
Also rapist and chronic masturbator.

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>>53581354

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>>53581394

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>>53581354
>>53581369
>>53581394
>>53581410

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>>53581441

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>>53581464

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>>53569001

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>>53581480

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>>53581487

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>>53581315
>>53581347
You REALLY need to stop

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>>53581509

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>>53581518
She really isn't an elf, though.

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>>53581532
This reminds me of that Elf Slave CYOA. I really like that CYOA for some reason.

>>53581557
Just stop, please, no one cares about your autism

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>>53581629

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>>53581644
forgot the picture

>>53581627
I just want people to contribute something to these threads. At most she's just a meme elf, there is no real substance to her allegedly elf-being.

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>>53569001
>>53569728
What about making armed elves in a sexy time game?

>>53581441
Now imagine an alternate Gears of War where elves are the UIR and humans are the COG.

Mmmmmm

>>53581893
>>>/h/

>>53581139
That was someone else making that claim though. The FN has decent recoil, but it's not like a bolt action. However, for the inexperienced, getting used to the felt recoil and action/firing noise can take some time. There are much more elf- friendly rifles out there- the AK series would be much more appropriate.

>>53581203
Yes I know. I got my first bow, a fibreglass 30lb straight bow, when I was 12.

>>53581986
>However, for the inexperienced, getting used to the felt recoil and action/firing noise can take some time. There are much more elf- friendly rifles out there- the AK series would be much more appropriate.

What would make them more elf-friendly? Nothing makes elves inherently worse at using guns than humans as far as I can tell. If anything, they have nothing but advantages.

>>53582013
They're shorter and are generally less sticky based on their racial averages and minuses to Con

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>>53581068
>>53581139
Sorry about the late response; I had to go to work and couldn't browse 4chan there.

The problem actually goes back to another "tacticool elves" thread several months back. In the version of Ops and Tactics at the time the thread was posted, elves couldn't use Medium or larger weapons without penalty. In O&T, Medium weapons are the largest weapons one can reasonably fire one-handed (i.e. hand-cannon pistols and machine pistols), while Large weapons are all weapons that have to be used with two hands but don't necessarily need any other support (i.e., every submachine gun, rifle, shotgun, etc. ever). So in other words, elves couldn't use anything other than your average handgun without penalty. The reason for THAT was that non-human races like elves were introduced in the Modern Magicka fantasy/pre-industrial splat, when bows (the forest elven specialty) were actually viable. However, MM wasn't balanced against the core book. So in an O&T urban fantasy game, for example, elves would be virtually worthless in combat, as they couldn't fire anything bigger than a full-size handgun like a 1911 or an M9 without assistance. That was very silly.

The recoil penalty was something of a compromise; elves would be able to use guns that most people would expect elves to use (like sniper rifles) and still be balanced against their other traits like low-light vision, higher Combat Points (more actions per turn; there's more to it than that, but let's keep things simple) and higher Mental Limit (I can't remember that does). I personally think the penalty is too high, but we'd have to get with the devs and see what they think.

>>53582138
*stocky

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>>53582153
>submachine gun
>large weapon
Did anyone try to think this through?

>>53582153

>In O&T, Medium weapons are the largest weapons one can reasonably fire one-handed (i.e. hand-cannon pistols and machine pistols), while Large weapons are all weapons that have to be used with two hands but don't necessarily need any other support (i.e., every submachine gun, rifle, shotgun, etc. ever). So in other words, elves couldn't use anything other than your average handgun without penalty.

Jesus Christ, that is terrible.

Does O&T allow you to reduce weapons down to no recoil like Shadowrun with enough tinkering?

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>>53581950
Ehh but I wanna browse /tg/.

One more question.

If they have elf ears and wings, are they an elf or are they an angel?

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>>53582243
Sounds a lot like a fairy to me.

>>53582243
Well are they celestials with elf ears or get with angel wings?

>>53582243
>Ehh but I wanna browse /tg/.
Then post /tg/ things instead of whatever.
>If they have elf ears and wings, are they an elf or are they an angel?
They are made by japanese artists that themselves don't care what they are supposed to be. Though if they start with elf ears that gain angel wings, then they are probably elves that somehow reached another plain of existence or are simply dead. If they start with both, then they are angels and the pointy ears are just there to show that they are non-humans.

Depends entirely on what elves you're talking about

D&D elves: not prone to war, but highly specialised and rutheless when needed.

Silmarillion-era Tolkien Elves: fucking berserkers who would stop at nothing to get what they want, they will bomb the shit out of you and then roll in with everything they got to erase you from the face of Earth

LoTR-era Tolkien Elves: small in number, but highly efficient and disciplined forces. Work extremely well as snipers, skirmishers and commandos

Warcraft Elves: full-on guerrilla fighters. Picture a point-eared vietcong and you have them. They'll kill you and you won't even know they were there. Also good luck finding them in their fucking jungles

Warhammer setting: Very strong navy and air forces, would work with discipline and precision, but would excel in long range fire support and short range assault groups

>>53582228
I'm guessing the rationalization is:
>Medium or smaller=one-handed
>Large or larger=two-handed
That kind of chicanery was why the rules were updated so elves suffered a recoil penalty instead of a size penalty.

>>53582232
Yes, it's possible. In fact, I'd say mitigating recoil is one of the most important aspects of acessorizing. A basic fixed stock (which comes standard with most rifles) gives a +1 to multi-shot attacks, and a vertical foregrip adds another +1. So that's a +2 from a very simple setup. Stuff like buffer stocks, high-quality barrels, and bipods can make it even better. A completely recoiless rifle is possible, but it would be expensive.

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>>53582379
Is medium particularly important for a topic about elves, specifically requesting elves with guns?

>>53582383
What about TES elves?

>>53582383

4e Elves would be fucking terrifying to fight.

You are trying to fight guys who can either move through the most difficult terrain without slowing down and are utterly inhumanly accurate (Elven accuracy lets you reroll a missed attack so you basically get two attempts at a shot).

OR

You are fighting guys who can teleport, allowing them to flank and ambush in ways that can't be blockaded and are well known for protective magic that can utterly negate a squad's support weapon (Swordmage Aegis)

>>53582442

So elves love expensive toys even more than other races, as it can help negate their disadvantages.

I can totally see /k/ommando elves going crazy on getting a weapon perfectly tailored for their own usage.

>>53582510
>What about TES elves?

Altmer: basically Nazis. Highly trained and devout, almost brainwashed troops, sure of their own superiority with some baller uniforms

Bosmer: See Warcraft Elves

Dunmer: they strike as guys who would do wide use of mobile mechanised infantry and saboteurs

Dwemer: extremily efficient army, but completely and utterly unflexible. They have access to some pretty powerful tech, but their logic reasoning ereases every chance for improvisation.

Orsimer: Basically jews. Now that they have a land to call their own, they'll exterminate everything and everyone to keep it

>>53582474
Really think about what it adds to the discussion aside from a picture of a cute girl with some pointy ears as a fashion accessory. Every newfag can post these, even accidentally post something that isn't an elf because the superficial pointy ears is all he knows and cares about, which aren't even a sure proof of her being an elf. Bring some actual fluff and crunch discussion into here.

>>53569001
Elves would be great soldiers.
Better eye-hand coordination and faster reflexes are most important things on battlefield.
Better than human eyesight would also help greatly.
Average elf being often smaller then human also helps to avoid getting hit.

On negative smaller frame means more problems with recoil so they would tend to use lower caliber guns or guns that can be fixed on something.
So SMGs, maybe with something to extend effective range or sniper rifles.
But being generally less durable means not being able to carry heavier ballistic vests.

On the other hand dwarves could still be tanks in modern setting, as much strength as human, more condition, and smaller area to cover means that they can wear super heavy ballistic vests that would offer great protection against elven light guns.

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>>53582622
I think the Dunmer would do much better as the Isreali. The great thing about them is that's hard to point out what exactly they are inspired from. But there surely is some judaism in their culture, they have their holy land to protect with overly zealous troops and and some of their land is also dry and hostile.
They are also assholes to any outsider

>>53582708

Mind you, slow movement speed means that dwarves would likely have a serious issue with getting mowed down by support weapons and dealing very poorly with being caught out of position.

Good defensive troops, terrible troops if you need to be on the move.

They'd work well, tactically, with elves. Elves are vulnerable to the wear and tear of protracted warfare and shrapnel more than dwarves but they can take territory and ambush forces on the move a lot better.

>>53582708
Elves would also have problems with carrying all the equipment a modern soldier is supposed to carry around. Carrying heavy weapons around would be a problem as well for them.

>>53582708

I could see Elves really liking man-portable launchers. Low recoil, lots of effect and they can be taken on the move relatively easily.

Dwarves like IFVs, support vehicles and Bunkers, elves prefer MANPADS and MANPATS.

>>53582847

Elves are no less strong than humans are. They have the same carrying capacity.

>>53582153

Do all guns have recoil or just automatic/burst fire weapons?

>>53582776
Now you told this, dwarves would be great WWI army as they could wear bullet stopping armor and would be natural at digging efficient trenches and best at mining warfare.
While elves and humans would dominate them in more mobile warfare of WWII and beyond, taking aside "dwarven craftsmanship".

"Nature affinity" and ability to get through over hard terrain would also be great.
Ardennes? Marches of Pinsk? No problem.
Great for strategic mobility and striking where enemy would not expect.

>>53582847
Light infantry or mechanized infantry would help with this real problem.

>>53582920
>Elves are no less strong than humans are. They have the same carrying capacity.
But less CON means they may have problems with doing their 35km/day march with full equipment.

>>53582946
A bit of both. Technically they all do (except the very lightest cartridges), but the recoil only comes into play when firing multiple shots like burst-firing or full-auto. Other kinds of auto-firing, like fanning a single-action revolver hammer, slam-firing a pump-action gun, or bump-firing also count as auto-firing, so you'll have to deal with recoil then. But firing single shots is no problem.

>>53583043
Again, depends on what elves you're talking about

D&D elves, maybe

Tolkien elves, contrary to how they're usually depicted, are buff as fuck

same with warcraft elves

Warhammer elves swing giant axes

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>>53583019
The eastern front was much more open, but still don't think that elves would fare particularly well here.
Aren't they kinda like the french in this whole situation?

>>53583019

>"Nature affinity" and ability to get through over hard terrain would also be great.

Can you imagine trying to take on Elves on the Kokoda trails or in Vietnam?

>>53583043

Ironwood and Glassteel would likely help there on the D&D front. Materials lighter than steel but just as strong (And not so expensive you couldn't equip your dudes with it like Mithril).

The elves would likely go very well with the modern idea of spending a lot per soldier to get a better soldier.

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>>53583043
>Medieval weapons, elves compensate with lightweight and magical material
>Modern weapons, elves compensate with ???

>>53582946

All guns have recoil, but you only feel the recoil by firing more than one shot per attack(Burst fire, autofire, double taps, ect)

Also I'm the author of Ops and Tactics and the -3 Recoil Elves.

So feel free to deride me, instead of anon.

>>53583144

Ok you cockgobbling fleshmonger.

Now that I'm done with that: So elves only get the penalty when firing those multiple shots?

>>53583144
Did you have fun deliberately gimping elves when it comes to modern warfare?

>>53582442
>That kind of chicanery was why the rules were updated so elves suffered a recoil penalty instead of a size penalty.

This.

The prior way was retarded.

>>53582544
Yep.

And in the next update, I'm actually changing how a bunch of recoil reducing stuff works, making it better for mitigating recoil.
>>53583167
That is correct. And if you have enough recoil reducing things( For example, a stock, a compensator, and enough strenght, since strength is the most direct way to mitigate recoil.), you can fight aginst it.

How recoil works in Ops and Tactics is based on caliber primarily, the kind of attack, and that's balanced against the strenght of the character( every str above 10 is a +1 against recoil, so a forest elf with 18 str would have a +5 against recoil), and the bonuses the character gets from feats, racial penalties/bonuses, and equipment on the rifle.

It's very easy to just straight up avoid recoil if you spec your character right, but an elf is going to have more felt recoil than a human.
>>53583187
What are you talking about? The last game I played in had an elf and he MOPPED THE FUCKING FLOOR in a modern game.

>>53583187
Also, there are three kinds of elves in Ops and Tactics, Desert, High, and Forest.

Desert are primarily focused around black powder gunslingers, High elves are magical users, and you've seen Forrest.

>>53583019

Dwarves would likely a hefty shift to mechanized warfare in a modern age. They can handle being the spam in the can a lot easier than other races that would start getting concussions a lot earlier.

A lot of IFVs, Tanks and APCs. Likely very good combat engineers for keeping the infrastructure running.

If you've played Wargame: Red Dragon I see modern elves a lot like the Aussies play in that. Really good infantry that out-range most opposition, good personal anti-armour missiles and with some nice light armour but they lack a lot of the heavier stuff that is designed to take a pounding.

>>53583104
They are Germans while dorfs are French.

Dorfs won Great War due to being just better at trench warfare and did what dwarfes do best, constructed biggest hold in the world on Elves-Dwarves border.

Then 20 years latter elves attack small human kingdom and overwhelm it's defenses.
Slow dwarven army rushes to fortify natural defenses within kingdom, while elven army strikes through "unsurpassable forest".
Slow dwarf infantry can't react in time. Dwarven army is encircled, and while having great gear, numerous and brave, without supplies they can't hold too long.

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>>53583417

I wonder: Would elves prefer wheeled or treads for vehicles? Wheeled tends to be more manuverable and more easily repaired but treads deal better with uneven terrain and has more traction.

I'm leaning towards a 4 track system. It's a lot more maintenance but it has a decent mix of the advantages of both that make it very good all-terrain.

Dwarves likely work with the traditional 2 track as it's a lot easier to armour and thus harder to mission kill.

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This is going to be weird, but I've been looking for an elf image for hours. Its essentially a list of elf images, all dark skinned, each one being labeled by some kind of sweet like "cocoa, dark chocolate, caramel" based on their skin color. Does anyone have it?

>>53583591
I'm gonna need the Alfredo for that picture.

>>53583614
https://therealfunk.tumblr.com/tagged/vanessa

>>53583591
>hey, let's draw a fetishy pic of a chubby person
>and add pointy ears so some autist can claim they like elves despite this pic not looking like an elf at all!
Cancer.

>>53583669
>>53582629
>>53582379
>>53581687
>>53581557

>Calling other people autistic

Anon... I...

>>53583669
Half-elf.
>>53583652
Thank you good sir.

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>>53583690
All me.

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>>53573705

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>>53583591
Sorry anon all I could find was an image of choco cat girls lined up, and I know thats not what you want.

>>53582521
Honestly if you try to cover all the elven possibilities in 4e it gets kind of ridiculous and they're some of the best troops.

Normal elves are effective shock troops, what with insane accuracy and being able to move through difficult terrain without stopping for any reason.

Wild Elves get to move even faster, even though they're less accurate.

Wood Elves are basically ultra-commando units, with super quick reflexes and being able to hide before the battle even starts for ambushes.

Eladrin are extremely trained in mobile operations and use of magic, so I reckon they're our Spec Ops, what with their crazy amounts of teleports and insane longsword technique. Also at times can get their own allies moving with them.

Then come fucking Half-Elves and these guys just break the game. They're the only squad leaders of the bunch, but goddamn they're great leaders who know that somehow knows that little thing which has nothing to do with their skillset that always comes in handy.

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>>53583669
>If its not a tall gangly twig of a person than its not an elf!
Autism

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>>53583137
>lightweight ammunition and magical mechanisms

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>>53569001

>>53583104
>pic
>-and of course both elves and french are fighting a war against sub-humans that want to kill them

And who or what country is this "sub-humans" that wana kill France?

>>53573392
"There's a sale on magic talismans!? WHY ON EARTH HAVE YOU NOT TOLD ME EARLIER!?"

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>>53569001
I recall that there was a /k/ thread or three in the recent year that went on like that, and some kind anon posted links to it. Can't find it now, anyone remember it?

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>>53587449
Yeah there was. /K/ had their share of elf threads for a while. As for your question, its these:

>https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/33619923/
>https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/33661672/
>https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/33788050

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>>53569001

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>>53569001
>elves being performing and being remotely involved in anything military and tactical

>mfw elves think they cna be hot shit in being tacticool

>>53587514
Thank you anon.

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>>53588829
>there are people alive on this planet that picked Iorveth over Bro-che

>>53585661
Not all elves are tall, anon.

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>>53569001

>>53582946
Okay, some real-world experience here.
Recoil is generated because of Newton's third law.
In a bolt-action rifle, recoil is very strong, as the entire recoil energy is transferred into the firer's shoulder from the rifle action.
In a semi-automatic rifle, recoil is lowered, as part of the energy is used to cycle the weapon (clear chamber and reload).
In a fully automatic weapon, there is often very little perceptible recoil, but you may get 'muzzle climb' caused by the fact that your weapon's action has several vectors of energy dissemination (round kicks back the action, knocking weapon slightly backwards and mostly upwards, brass ejects to the right knocking the weapon left, action moves forward and chambers a new round knocking weapon down).

Felt recoil is a product of the type of action you're using and the calibre of round. A .223 bolt action won't provide much recoil compared to a .308 bolt action, but there are fully-auto .308 weapons with less recoil than a .223 bolt action. Such as the GPMG M60, which I carried for a few years in the late 80's.

>>53587514
That's some cancer.

>>53583555
>I'm leaning towards a 4 track system. It's a lot more maintenance but it has a decent mix of the advantages of both that make it very good all-terrain.

Twice the maintenance.
Twice the engineering.
Twice the drive sprockets.
Add in the mechanical complexity of providing power to a PIVOTING front track system.

Now compare all of that horseshit to a twin-track's ability to pivot on the spot, which you can't do with a four-track system.

There's a reason no actual combat vehicle ever used a four-track setup, m8.

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>>53586444
it's a /pol/ cross board post. take a wild guess.

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>>53583555
>>53590091
> No full-length pressure-bearing surface
> Four whole tracks to shed instead of two
> Need a climbing slope on all four tracks

Literally suicide. Only suitable when retrofitting wheeled vehicles like in your picture, and even THEN half-track is generally better.

>There's a reason no actual combat vehicle ever used a four-track setup
> Pic related

>>53590185
Germans?

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Who else is tired of the dwarf-elf hate? I can understand that they are both pretty different in their cultures and thinking, but they sure must realize that the worst race is humans

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>>53588829

>What are you doing here Roche!? Don't tell me you're here because I'm hooking up with an elven bard?

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>>53569001

>>53590879
I feel like these are supposed to be people I should know.

>>53583137
>Medieval weapons, elves compensate with lightweight and magical material

Usually they don't even do this.

Elves don't even have a demodifier to CON in every D&D edition, let alone every setting. The trademark weapon for Noldor, WHFB elves, and IKRPG elves is the two-handed sword.

>>53590278
>Pic related

You're technically correct... but this is more like two vehicles with a hitch an umbilical. Still, well played, sir.

>>53591188
Isn't carrying capacity mostly determined by STR? Also Noldor aside they really don't like to put themselves in heavy armor.

>>53591218

It's entirely in D&D based on Str.

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>>53591218
I don't think elves have a demodifier to STR in ANY edition.

Elves put themselves in big armour all the time.

>>53590050

Yeah, sorry. I meant the recoil STAT in the RPG.

I know that all guns have actual recoil. Could have phrased that better.

>>53590671

Honestly, I prefer it when elves/dwarves are more 'Those long-lasting friends who can insult each other'. Elves insult dwarven crudeness and Dwarves call elves stuck up assholes but if one of them is in trouble, the other has his back instantly.

They are two of the few races who can actually have a multi-century friendship and understand the mindset it produces.

>>53591266
Yeah, this is fun.

I like the fact that Iosan elves are actually really chummy with the dwarves of their setting, despite being so isolationist toward everyone else that no other race even remembers what the interior of their nation looks like. They have a respect for each other based on mutual experience and age.

>>53591301

>despite being so isolationist toward everyone else that no other race even remembers what the interior of their nation looks like.

Which one of the two was that supposed to apply to? Could be either.

Hey elf thread, I need some story time. Got anything with future humans meeting elves for the first time or something like that? I have some free time, so if there is a long story available then that would be preferable.

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>>53569001
So /tg/, your opinion and or thoughts of DA artist: Isbjorg. Shipping her Half-Elf ranger OC with Bishop?

Last I've heard, said DA artist I'm talking about has the hots for Bishop from Never Winter Nights 2.

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>>53591368
Some guy's setting and story, not mine though. Originally from the storythreads.

Might interest you.

>>53591378
>shipping
>self-inserting
>elf girl x human guy
Elves really suffer under these things.

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>>53591421
The next is a "follow up."

>1/2

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>>53591444
>2/2

>>53591237
Can you give some other examples from different settings?

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>>53591462
And another one by the same guy, "Manfred Pardo. This time its some worldbuilding stuff set in the same setting.

See the story below first before reading the image since the author said he incorporated the story below to the story which is the pic in this post:

https://1d4chan.org/images/6/69/Twincest.png

>>53591437
Well atleast the self-inserter in question is apparently a girly woman as opposed to the usual dude.

So how about this?
The ideal elf weapon will be "the bitch"
>it is a fal
>with the barrel sawed off and the handguard removed so it's lighter
>and a grenade launcher "just in case"
>and full auto "just in case"

>>53591629
Actually never mind that's fucking retarded
>the grenade launcher will add even more weight and counteract any weight loss
>and the sawed off barrel makes it retarded loud and wil fuck up elve's sensitive ears

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>>53569001
Have there been any examples of acutal or "official" romantic elfxhuman couples? Like lets say in Tolkien's books, DnD or some other similar things?

Also would the human and elf couple will often bound to be a male elf and female human? Or male human and female elf?

>>53591524
At the end it's still just someone using elves for their power fantasy.

>>53569161
So inferior? We learned during WW2 that massive fire superiority and GLORIOUS MOTHERFUCKING CLOSE AIR SUPPORT wins over smaller, aimed fire. Guerilla warfare would work, though, when turning the whole thing into a war of attrition

>>53591824
You can't really say that they are inferior because they wouldn't do well in that one era of warfare. There is also nothing really saying that they can't operate artillery or aircrafts. Maybe even magic would help them out in these regards.

But yes, their best option in some kind of WWI/II scenario would be to be like switzerland: arm every citizen and make it in general a very bad idea to invade that place until it's just not worth it.

>>53591824

Elves are likely pretty good at the latter part. They have reflexes and situational awareness better than humans after all.

4e Wood Elves would make ungodly good pilots with their reaction speed being accurately described as 'Better than yours'. Seriously, a super fast human rogue who has trained his reflexes to a razor's edge will still lose out to a Wood Elf almost every time.

>>53583591
Shit, I'm pretty sure I know which pic you are talking about. Can't find it in my folder though

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>>53579134
Nah they just hire models, or pick the top 1% hottest of the actual soldiers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6221714.stm

>>53591674
Of course theres offical romance in Lord of the Rings. Elrond is a product of one and his daughter falls in love and marries Aragorn.

Most common pairing would be a male human of extremely magical bloodline with an extraordinary destiny paired with a fairly high ranking elvish lady. Otherwise most elves would probably think twice about it due to the fact they're going to live who knows how much longer than their beloved.

>>53591444
Good lord the spelling errors hurt to look at.

>>53591462
Never did like the child molesters getting away with it.

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>>53569122
Hey, somebody posted my arts! Awesome!

More of the same woman and her husband.

>>53591320
The elves.

Rhul, the dwarf nation, is pretty secretive, but the elves are maximum isolationist. It's for pragmatic reasons rather than xenophobia, though.

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What's this thread opinion of the Ahald?
Would you even call them elves?

>>53592160
I honestly expected that tire to explode when it got close to them.

>>53570633
>Not making your elves pseudo-amish
Do you even embrace luddite anarcho-monarchist communes as a way of avoiding the atomizing effects of modern society?

>>53594127
That's silly.

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Anyone have the picture of an elf woman dancing around a fire with scrolls with runes? Her clothing had heavy Native American and Norse influences.

>>53597128
That's the wisdom of elder races overcoming superstimulus and infrastructure dependence.

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>>53569001
Storythread author and writefag, "Manfred Pardo." Sure likes writing elfxhuman stuff in the storythreads does he?

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>>53569001

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>>53569001
Oh my, the elves are finally learning how to use guns.

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>>53569001

>>53569728
elves are not for sexual!

>>53600056
Yes they are!

>>53600056
It's hip to fuck elves.

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Melniboneans.
Elves or not elves?

>>53600056
So, what else are elves for?

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>>53600170
Being dicks.

>>53600170
DEX bonus.

>>53600199
And not taking them?

>>53598986

Do you think elves would go for plastic furniture on their guns? I'm imagining some gunsmith who carefully picks the right tree to carve the furniture for the gun he makes and even in that state the wood is still alive and has magic in it somehow.

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>>53569728
>>53600056
>meme posts get the most replies
Well, I'm guilty for pointing it out, I guess.

>>53600166
>Moorcock
Hell no.
>Everyone else
Hell yes.

>>53600233
Carefully nurtured wooden stocks, carved from fallen wood only.

>>53600233

Elves are for bullpup.

>>53571986
Why is she kissing Commander Riker, shouldn't he be on the Enterprise??

>>53603896
That must be from that episode where the primitive vulcanoids end up worshiping Picard while Riker wanders around looking for an injured science team.

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>>53583773
>Mordor
>Not Germany
Anon....

>>53590185
Huh, I assumed it was a dig at the British.
You know; you hear 'France's arch-enemy' you immediately think 'Britain'.

>>53583773
It is pretty hard to rustle my jimmies usually. You have accomplished that with that map. Well done, 10/10.

>>53592245
also elves and humans have diferent afterlifes

>>53592245
What about male elfxfemale human? 'Cause frankly I have a feeling male elfxfemale human's way more mainstream as far as humanxelf relationships go.

>>53605385
My pants are triggered alright

>>53605385
Women and elvens!? THATS SEXIST.

>>53607355
Not the two steps I was talking about, sport.

>>53607361
Then whu genius?

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>>53569001

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>>53569001
How do you prefer your Shadowrun Elves or Cyber-Elves?

>>53608832
Both concepts don't go well with each other.

>>53591674
>>53592245
Isn't it that theres like some elven kingxhuman woman musician thats also an official canon thing in Tolkien's books?

I vaguely remembered from another elf thread months ago someone mentioning that a male elven highborn noble and a female human fell in love with each other and both so happened to be flute players too.

Is it true????

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>>53569001

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>>53569001