/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General - Loyalist Edition

First for Fourth

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At what point do you think you have built too much of your army? Are you at that point? Too many models?

No one cared who he was until he put on the mask.

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>>53565297
Dantioch and Polux, sitting in a tree
P-U-R-G-I-N-G
First comes shame, then redemption
And then little Successor Chapters in their Centurions!

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>>53565096
My gauge is once it becomes a hassle to transport and/or stow away. Right now, I think I'm at about 50% capacity.

>>53565096
I've barely started my army and all this 8th edition/7.5 shit flinging is really killing my motivation. I dont want to make my dream Alpha Legion list just for it to be useless

>>53565376
What sort of stuff do you have at hand? You going for tacticool infantry type stuff or mechanized/generalist AL?

>>53565622
I'm going to run pride of the legion but with a good mix of infantry and vehicles. In Dynat's fluff it says he likes mechanized spearheads with close air support so that is my main inspiration

If this post ends in an even number, I will buy a loyalist army

If it ends in an odd number, I will buy a traitor army

If it ends in a zero, I will buy primaris marines instead

>>53565353
>Dantioch and Polux, sitting in a tree
No kidding. Guy Haley laid it on thiiiiiiick at the end of Pharos.

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>>53565376
My suggestion would be work on the staples. Tactical Squads, dedicated transports, generic terminators, etc. Units that stand the test of time will be perfectly fine whatever happens. Specialized stuff is what is under the most threat.

>>53565685
HERESY IT IS

>>53565696
Well hey, maybe I'll get lucky and my Lernaeans will get a buff

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>>53565700
Good choice.

>>53565366
Just wanted to say that plastic EC anon is an inspiration and I intend to cook up a small detachment of them once my IW are reasonably rounded out.

>>53565678
Ok, so what models do you already have in hand/assembled/unbuilt?

>>53565685
Do all three, Alpha Legion Primaris marines.

>>53565096
I think I'm getting there now??? I love my Custodes but even I admit my collection is getting too large. The new Telemon Dreadnought, the pair of Orion Gunships I'm gonna get, and squad of new Terminators make it even heavier on me.

25 Custodian Guard
20 Sentinel Guard
10 Hetaeron Guard
10 Sagittarum Guard
6 Agamatus Jetbikes
3 Caladius Grav-Tanks
2 Coronus Grav-Carriers
4 Pallas Grav-Attacks
2 Contemptor-Galatus
2 Contemptor-Achillus
5 Shield Captains/Tribunes
1 Ixion Hale
1 Oblivion Knight-Centura
10 Prosecutors
10 Vigilators

It's honestly nuts right now. I have to paint the 10 Hetaeron, 10 Sentinels, 1 Caladius, and all the Sisters save for the Knight-Centura.

>>53565785
By the Dark Gods, how much did that cost??

>>53565806
Oh shit hmmmm.

Well, each squad of 5 Custodians cost me $30-35 on Ebay, and 3 models in the whole army are recasts, so it's very pricey and that's kind of counting separate bits I bought.

It's looking to be around $2300 now. Going to go up soon too. I'm not sure about paint costs, however.

>>53565785
>>53565887
How many points would you guesstimate that is? If you fielded them all at once.

>>53566007
Not counting my Knights and Reaver?

Optimal loadout looks to be 9,000~ points.

>>53565096
I haven't built any of my army. And I'm coming up to enough marines to make an entire chapter.

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I did a thing.

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>>53566499
This brings jejs to my heart. Checked.

>>53565096
I think I'm close to content with my marines, until something new comes out that I like the look of. Other 2 armies are close to what I want as well.

Anons, how would you fix breachers, Stubborn vets, moritats and destroyers? It seems like they're just in need of a points cut, or perhaps a better cap on chain fire for moritats or two attacks for destroyers, to me but I'd be interested in hearing some other ideas.

>>53568039
Moritats shouldn't have a cap. Especially if plasma still overheats on a 1 and 2 (provided you save as you go).

>>53568039
>breachers
Reroll armour saves against ap5 weapons in addition to their 5+
>stubborn vets
Give them fearless proper and idunno, maybe a stubborn banner for an aura?
>Moritats
Plasma explodes for real on any one, instagibbing him, shots are uncapped
>destroyers
Give them more hague-convention-breaching tools, cut base costs by 25, extra dudes by 5, and make jetpacks cheaper

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Is this accurate?

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>>53565096
I've come to terms with the fact that I'm likely to never actually play a legit game of 30k (or even 40k) due to living 2 states away from anybody I know. Not that they'd play anyway, but after being into the lore/art/model aspect since 2000 and never actually playing a game, I'm okay with amassing a bookshelf's worth of whatever the fuck I want.

Right now I have what would be about enough for a ZM list of my XX. 15 vets, 6 Tartaros, 10 Destroyers, 10 Recon... random other 40k things.

I may never get to roll dice in HH 7.5, but at least I can square off 5 Space Wovles against 5 Rampagers against 5 White Scars against 5 Ashen Circle just because I enjoy the models and painting.

>>53568315
only Fulgrim seems accurate. Everybody is either wrong or sort of applies.

>>53568039
I feel like boarding shields and hardened armor simply don't merit the additional costs for Breachers. Though, in a way, I feel like it is connected with how Tactical Squads are priced as well (and how poorly they perform for that cost). If Breachers costed any less, there'd be no reason to take Tactical Squads outside of massed FotL attacks and cheap objective holders. But if Troop-choice Marines as a whole were lowered in price, I think they would all see more use overall.

>>53568315
>russ
>not chaotic neutral

>guilliman
>not lawful neutral

>alpharius
>not chaotic lawful
can't fault Ferrus, Sang, Horus or Khan though

>>53568428
Would omegon be Evil good then?

>>53568315
I like it, anon. 100% agree with it.

>>53568372
To be fair, alignment charts are garbage, since none of the Primarchs are exclusively 'one concept'. Even Angron has more than one side to him, even if he has fewer than any of his brothers.

I'd only consider Fulgrim correct if we're talking post-possession Fulgrim. If we're talking about pre-Laer Fulgrim, he's easily Neutral or Lawful Good.

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>>53565749
I appreciate the sentiment. I'm just doing what I can with what little I can afford, and the limited scrap bits I possess.

>>53568428
>>russ
>>not chaotic neutral
Filthy witch detected.

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Made some more Pyrithite Spears and a Paragon Spear. Thoughts?

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>>53569545
hopefully they dont release the spears tonight on the FW website, that'd be awkward. Also rate my 2500 Custodes/Loyalist WE list I tried to make it look pretty

>>53569756
If they do it's ok.

Also drop the Armored Ceramite on the Custodes vehicles; replace with Extra Armor instead. Take more bodies for minimum squads of 5 and consider taking an Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon or two for the Caladius' for the same 215 points cost per model.

>>53568315
I'd switch Guilliman and Sanguinius. There's no way Roboute is anything but lawful. I like the rest.

>>53568415
Yeah, Breachers are hard to justify right now. The cost reduction for Tacticals and Vets in the last red book hurt them even more. Recon squads don't work well either, and Support squads with plasma/melta are hard to justify next to vets with combi-plasma/melta.

>>53569931
Breachers are best at holding objectives or helping tarpit big combats; they don't do anything else well anymore and it's a damn shame.

I always have a squad in my Imperial Fists and even they struggle.

>>53569545
I think I liked the one where the skull was removed and the barrel was set into the gap better. Still, pretty good.

>>53570094
I did try doing that, but you have to shave down the Melta barrel so heavily to get it to fit, and that it became really frustrating since the axe's inner plastic is so soft and thin that it flexes with any force applied.

>>53569915
Guilliman is willing to turn his back on the Emperor more than people think, at least in the BL books characterizations

He even is suspicious that the Emperor knew about the whole Heresy and intentionally scattered the primarchs in advance. Sangy tells him to not be so suspicious of father. Guilliman says his father was konor.

>>53570172
Honestly Guilliman always seemed weirdly rational. He recognizes Big E as his creator and mentor, but views Konor as his father. He knows that he's a weapon of war but wanted to be more and became a strong diplomat and tactician. He seems like a rational leader of the Imperium because he's very similar to the E in the sense that he sees it as "No gods and no masters".

I'm glad he's not a Stu since he has lots of flaws, but is able to overcome them when needed. It's very welcoming to see him lose his shit and then restore himself to lead.

He's no traitor, he's just very aware of the climate around him and is insanely adaptable. If the Imperium fell he has the Imperium Secundus ready to help or fall back to.

>>53570240
>he's not a Stu since he has lots of flaws
Does Guilliman have any proper flaws? I can't really think of any beyond 'my biggest weakness is I am a perfectionist'. You could say prideful and that he always thinks he is right but that applies to most primarchs.

>>53570240
>If the Imperium fell he has the Imperium Secundus ready to help or fall back to.
This is something that I agree with, too many people see Imperium Secundus and say 'hurr durr girlyman just wanted to rule'. Imperium Secundus was a backup option, do people really think that if everything turned out fine at the palace he would throw a tantrum and pout about daddy taking away his toys.

>>53570411
too naive to realize a fellow Primarch could actually turn on the Emperor. Even as Calth burned around him he tried to reason with Lorgar, and it almost killed him and his Legion.

>>53570411
Not very imaginative or flexible - he's good at improving on what other people have done, but actually creating his own shit seems to be difficult for him.

>>53568315
I think "Good" is definitely stretching it for Russ. He accomplishes his task and doesn't care who gets hurt in the process. I'd put him at Chaotic Neutral. He isn't malicious enough to be Evil.

>>53570625
Is that true though? He has his favourite methods but he can easily adapt to new threats and tactics. Like when him and Corax were playing their war simulations and Corax was able to beat him a few times using tactics and units he wasn't familiar with until Guilliman shaped up and beat him every time after that.

Fair enough that Guilliman dropped the ball massively at Calth but he did have a slight excuse in being betrayed by his brother, told that 3 more brothers were dead including one of his best buds and it turns out that magic and daemons are real. Plus he spent half the battle floating about in space after being sucked out of a window.

>>53570645
Depends how much you stress being loyal I guess - for all his faults, there's no doubting Russ was incredibly loyal.

>>53570172
>Sangy tells him to not be so suspicious of father. Guilliman says his father was konor.
I've always found it weird for Primarchs who were born and raised by human parents to call the Emperor father.

>>53570743
That's actually one of the things I was referring to - he only beats Corax in the sims once he analyses and to some extent adopts Corax's tactics.
And then codifies it, later putting it to all the Legions as a "look at this cool thing that works" - something he's much more able to do than Corax, given the disparity of their records

Point is though, like with Pert's Termies, he's not an inventor

>>53570771
Wasn't it only really Guilliman who had a mother and father in the traditional sense? Most other primarchs had something more like a teacher - student relationship.

>>53570771
The primarchs weren't born to human parents, most were found and adopted. The Emperor IS their father. Guilliman was just the one to go "fuck who made me, my adoptive dad was the one who raised me and treated me like family".

>>53570172
>He even is suspicious that the Emperor knew about the whole Heresy and intentionally scattered the primarchs in advance.

What? What sense does that even make? How would scattering them prevent the heresy? Especially since all he did was go right back out to find them again. All scattering them does is keep them out of his guidance and influence.

>>53570938
He suspected that the Emperor did both things, not that they were related.

>>53570981
What made him suspect either? The emperor stands to gain nothing from either one.

>>53570840
Primarch "childhoods":

Guilliman - adopted by a lord, had a mother and father
Dorn - adopted by ice-lord patriarch he considered "grandfather"
Sang - raised by a tribe
Ferrus - beating up monsters, then was demigod and sage to the clans
Corax - raised communally among slaves/terrorists in the mines
Vulkan - fostered by a blacksmith
Russ - wolf mother, then adopted by viking lord
Lion - Tarzan innawoods, then adopted by knights
Khan - ???

Lorgar - raised by a priesthood, most notably Kor Phaeron
Angron - nearly killed, raised a slave
Fulgrim - raised by a pair of labourers
Horus - ???, but had a ton of time with the Emprah
Alpharius - ??? ???
Perturabo - Dammekos tried to raise him as a son, didn't return the favour. Had a sister
Magnus - psychic chats with the Emprah, mentored by Amon
Mortarion - raised by a necromancer as a weapon of war
Curze - eating corpses, killing people and bad dreams

>>53571051
Khan was adopted into some minor clan on a world controlled by a massive warlord, proceeded to unite the clans and fuck up the warlord.

>>53571013
I don't know about the Heresy part, but Guilliman was incredibly suspicious of how the planets they were scattered to "randomly" seemed to match up with traits inherent to their geneseed.

>>53568354
My heart weeps for you anon.

I myself have a local group of at least 14 active players. We're all veteran nerds with money who lost interest in 40k as soon as BaC came out.

Why not try going to something like an adepticon heresy event once a year? That would probably be something I would do if I were a murrican.

>>53570411
He's bad at making friends, most other primarchs either despised him or were very neutral.

Thought Khan was suppose to go to Chemos and Fulgrim to go to Chogoris?

>>53571132
Didn't Laurie Golding post a Wall-'o-Text that explained how the Emperor - MIGHT - have thought? I think I have it, will upload if found

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>>53571765
Here it is

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Am I the only one that thinks this is basically what the Custodes grav rhino should be?

Finally read the Dark Angels books
Lion-o is an autistic dick
Luther did nothing wrong

>>53571051
I like how alpharius is two ??? ???

>>53572017
The fuck is this?
>>53571797
>hold mah beer

>>53572017
This is killing me. Custodes used Grav-Rhinos in older fluff (I suspect their new vehicles are an evolution of that, what with them being Terminator-sized now) but at the very least SoS could still have used them rather than the dick shaped Star Gate-wearing thing FW shat out. You had better believe I'm going to convert/proxy one of these babies.

Also, isn't the fact that advanced anti-grav engines are beyond the VAST majority of the Imperium/Forge Worlds to produce a thing anymore?

>>53572080
>Hold my beer Malcador
>Gets ducttaped to death chair
>FML

>>53572120
Mars-build, but we don't know what Cawl did yet, the sneaky bastard.

>>53572133
>>53572080
I still don't get this. MoM shows that emps can get off the throne for the low, low price of 1000 psykers. Why did he need to sacrifice malcador so he could go job to horus?

>>53572198
Maybe after a galaxy wide war and a massive siege he wasn't exactly swimming in psykers.

>>53572198
1000 Psykers collected from across an entire Segmentum over a not-insignificant amount of time. What I'm thinking is that the SoS Black Fleet either got rekt during the naval battle above Terra, or couldn't get out/in with all the Traitors about.

>>53572243
That's just bad planning on his part, he should have kept some back for the horus showdown. I guess we can't have emps making good decisions or showing any sign of intelligent planning though.

>>53572305
Goddamn it this triggers me

It took the SoS a shitload of time to collect the 1000 Psykers and they BARELY bought him 24 hours. Considering the SoS had scoured the Imperium for Psykers for some 200 years, presumably they were a rarity by then. Since they didn't just grab a bunch of Terrans we can assume there aren't any significant numbers of Psykers ready amongst the populace.

As for why he used up all 1K in one go, remember that time isn't constant or even necessarily linear in the Webway. Presumably he wanted some sort of safety margin, WHICH IS A SIGN OF GOOD PLANNING. Considering that he seals off the Webway Gate at the end of MoM, the Traitors probably did something to fuck with it.

Also, the Imperium doesn't mean jack shit to Him. He even says so; the Astartes can be recreated, the Imperium can be re-conquered, but recreating the Webway is beyond even Him.

>>53572305
If Terra gets devoured by daemons then Horus doesn't matter. Chill with the
>hurr durr the Emperor is so dumb
circle jerk for a moment.

>>53572391
>200 odd years to collect 1000 psykers
Eh. It's hard to correlate that with the fact they can supply him with 1000 a day, every day, in the 41st millenium. Maybe the psyker mutation got more common over time or something, but that's still a huge disparity.

>>53572441
>the psyker mutation got more common over time
Thats been fluff since at least third ed, humanity is slowly spiralling its way towards psychic evolution without the Emperor's guiding hand

>>53572441
I didn't say it took them 200 years to collect 1000. We know they hunted down Psykers during most/all of the Great Crusade, but it isn't entirely clear what happened to them or the Psykers tithed to Terra. Maybe they got blammed, or used up by the Emperor some other way. My point is, by the time of Magnus' Folly, they're something of a rarity (unless your particular world has the attention of the Ruinous Powers, I suppose, and a bunch of latent Psykers jizz the Materium a new asshole). Also, keep in mind that the SoS couldn't hunt across the entirety of the Imperium. The 1000 guys were from 1 Sector IIRC

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>>53572017
>it's a hover vehicle

Imagine my surprise...

>>53572017
Sure, but less retarded looking.

>>53572183

Either he streamlined the tech through sheer ingenuity or retrofitted the production process after being inspired by xeno designs. NuZorback basically has the grav stuff tacked on the bottom. The design philosophy going forward in m42 is proly going to be of a roughshod DIY nature as the Imperium tries to create new weapon platforms to counter evolving threats.

>>53572017
The chassi looks good but the turret is garbage since GW loves slapping a million things on models.

>>53572565
Yeah, it's starting to get orky with all those guns.
>and now we'll add a missile launcher
>and another missile launcher
>and ANOTHER missile launcher

>>53572586
Don't forget the missile launcher

>tfw waiting to see if FW updates this Friday like it has been for the past several
>tfw want to get my fuckin' Custodes Termies

>>53572564
Well we know he used Tau technology for the Redemptor plasma cannon.

>>53572017
What the fuck is this thing? WHO LET A LAND RAIDER FUCK A SPEEDER AGAIN?!

I found ADB's malice in the E himself admitting defeat and failure. Am I wrong?

>>53572651
Yes.
Chaos winning isn't something he invented, it's been a staple of the lore for several editions, since 4-5 ED at least. Keep in mind that He can't see all possible futures, and has foreseen Humanity's extinction if the Webway couldn't be salvaged.

>>53565096
When you cannot find a historical incident of an army like that participating

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>>53572651
ADB has a chaos boner and very obvious boner. That's all you need to know.

>>53565692
And what's wrong with LGBTQ+ characters in the far future that aren't slaanesh worshippers

>>53566499
Anyone got the Japanese plushy running through the mines

>>53572697
>Old Lore
>Fact

Choose wisely.

>>53572715
This. FFS most of the world isn't white and it pisses me off when people REEE about minorities/other cultures being represented as more than the odd token character made up of every stereotype.

>>53572697
>even ADB doesn't fuck with the sons of Sanguinius

It feels good to be on top.

>>53572017
I'm beginning to get the impression that GW is now actively sabotaging FW.

>>53572697
>>53572743
Also, what new OC Daemon? It's literally Abbaddon's sword.

>>53572715
>not sure if bait, or just lazy
>or possible lazy bait
Considering the screencap only mentions women and blacks.

But yes, I also found that point of complaint to be fucking retarded.

>>53572017
WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY DO TO MY GLORRIOUS GODHAMMER APC
WHY DO THEY HAVE A ROTOR CANNON IN 40K WHY IS IT NOT AN ASSAULT CANNON
HOW MANY MISSILWS DO VECHILES BEED NOW

>>53572697
I mean, I mostly agree with that wall of greentext, but there's no real reason why there shouldn't be a decent chunk of women and black people in HH? Especially when they're stuff like captains and Knight Barons/Titan Princeps, people with the ability to do those jobs well are too damn rare to toss away on a technicality even if the Imperium WAS racist or sexist, which they really aren't.

Also do you really need an excuse for a Titan battle? They're fucking Titans, it's about as close as you can get to objective awesome without psychic writing powers.

>>53572756
It's not the fact that it's a "new" demon. It's the fact that it was stronger than Empy.

>>53572017
Now i need to decide whether to fit gravplates to the Filiketos. I'm thinking fuck that because Mechanicum, I'll just make some glowy rails along the edges of the underside if the engines on the tail look off.

Actual vehicle looks pretty cool, Cawl is apparently a proponent of the Stormhammer school of vehicle design judging by the Dread and this. MORE GUNS.

>>53572783
I don't really care for black or women either honestly. Some pints of that image I don't agree with, but ADB waifu-ism gets old real fast.

Titans every time feel like an unwelcomed pause in the action in my opinion.

>>53572120
If anti-grav is lost to the Imperium, why is it everywhere? You got whole regiments with grav-chutes, servo-skulls, land speeders, etc. I believe even SM jump packs utilize it to some extent to help control the flight. And all Imperial flyers are VTOL, even if they are not able to fight while hovering, which would make anti-grav a good thing to have.

I think it's more that the Imperial doctrine doesn't benefit from hover crafts as much as from traditional tanks.

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>>53572638
>>53572772

Girlyman is Eldaraboo.

>>53572586
I think they're just counter-measure launchers.

>>53572743
>>53572767
It was bait. But yeah we have space mongols and I don't see what's wrong with bad legions like world waters getting a tonne of negroids as long as the owner actually models sub Saharan features and doesn't keep caucasians.
What would fix this is if GW just tells us how tolerant golden age man was, as if they were intolerant then I'm fine with backwards planets having non Germanic people as it's like exile worlds. But if golden age man is tolerant then why not be all mixed. However another political joke would be if not only the navigators but all upper and middle upper class are white as champagne socialists don't dare fraternise with the black masses they campaign for.

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>>53572784
Wall of Text ahead.

I feel like you're confusing "Strength" with "Power".

Strength is the ability to break a Land Raider with a punch, or rip apart a dozen Greater Daemons in a few instants, or the ability to solo Orks capable of fighting several Primarchs at once and winning. It is the ability to contest the manifest will of all sapient thought and emotion throughout history at once.

Drach'nyen on the other hand can't do that. It couldn't kill the strike force sent to hunt it down, and was able to fight off Titans and other forces only by feeding on the death surrounding it, and by possessing things stronger than it.

Power on the other hand is the ability to influence things to your liking. And Drach'nyen has proven to be VERY powerful. Remember that prophecies, spells etc are real things that happen in the 40K verse. It's entirely possible that there's a deeper connection between Drach and the Emperor, or that they're each' others mirrors or something (Drach'nyen was stated to be a Daemon of Chaos Undivided, in the sense that rather than be unaligned it aligned with all Gods. And the Emperor is their Anathema...)

Something like this.

>>53572943
Are you going to highlight that model?
Please say that you are, because it looks like you've made a start at least, and it would be a shame to finish there.

>>53572943
Reminder it's the daemon made from the first murder
So it reflects humanities true fall

>>53572843
Where are the Grav-Rhinos, the Grav-LRs, the Jet Bikes?

ADVANCED grav stuff is beyond their ability to produce in any meaningful capacity what so ever. That's been canon for decades.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Land_Speeder

Read the part about their construction, I think it sums up things nicely, and while I know 40K wiki occasionally fucks things up this is fairly relevant. If they could easily produce vehicles that are without the drawbacks land-bound craft have, why not do it? Because it's either hideously expensive or doesn't work because slapping a Land Speeder's systems on a Rhino or a Chimera would be a huge mistake, what with everything being super-techy and computerized.

>>53572930
>tfw half the post is still baiting

>>53572943
>edgy OC wank

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>>53572017
This looks way more custodes than the vehicles we have now. I mean, those are nice on their own, but don't really match the custodes' design.
Might use this instead of the Coronus; leaving off the assload of missiles and the rotary gun should be easy and replacing the other guns only marginally more difficult.

>>53573124
I bet it will be cheaper than Coronus while looking ten times better.

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>>53572990
He's drybrushed Runefang Steel over a Leadbelcher coat followed by a Nuln Oil wash. Before I washed, I highlighted some few parts additionally (like the raised edges on the "mask" of the helmet etc) with it doesn't come across very well in photos. IRL the effect is defo tabletop level, the armour looks scratched up. Also I have 40 Tacticals, 4 Apothecaries, 20 Havocs and more to paint up so a reasonable tabletop level is it for me. Going to base them like this tho

>>53573124
I expect it to be pretty titchy in comparison, though. Coronus looks kinda hueg.

>>53573010
>why not do it

Same reason US favors big heavy tanks and IFVs over trucks with machine guns on them.

Why did you even ask this, when you yourself provided the answer. It's expensive and complex. It's not like a Russ isn't complex, despite its appearance, but it's also very simple to use and probably to fix as well. It's likely that various fire control computers and targeting systems are independent modules that can be swapped out if damaged and there's bound to be redundancies for when the system fails. The drive system is likely very mechanical and robust.

>>53573124
Hmm, yeah okay Im starting to warm up to it after the initial, HOVERBAWKES reaction. Tempted to yoink the cargo bits, missile pods and the minigun and flavor up my Sicaran.

The heavy stubber in the portside of the turret looks out of place however; 7/10 would Coronus it again

>>53573168
Coronus is fuckhuge, but this fucker is still around Land Raider-sized. Probably a bit bigger, actually.

>>53573140
I don't expect this thing to cost more than 50€ max.

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>>53573168
The coronus is, from what I've seen, a little longer than a Land Raider. I think this thing is somewhat Land Raider sized (it is for carrying hueg+ muhreenz, after all). The side doors look like LR ones and such.

I'm totally going to use it. I've already been looking for boxy hover tanks for grav-rhino conversions. Just replace the turret, hull guns, take off all the guff and add lots of decorations and aquilas.

Also, paint it more like the old Custodes vehicles, rather than the new "gold everything" ones.

>>53573124
>>53572017
Would somebody photoshop this gold, please? It looks perfect for a Chronus replacement that actually works for Custodes. Doesn't have to be fancy, just a quick paintjob.
I'd do it myself, but I'm at uni and using an tablet...

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>>53573325
hows this

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>>53573254
>I don't expect this thing to cost more than 50€ max

>>53573073
It's not, those are my genuine thoughts
The heresy was ruined by knowing everything and not writing it like the Aeneid or Oddesy, but why not tell us where the gollywogs went

>>53573585
>why not tell us where the gollywogs went
5edgy8me

>>53573585
/pol/io should be kept contained REE

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>>53573124
Some anon in another thread did this, if it helps at all.

>>53573776
That looks 10x times better.

>>53572497
I'm actually amazed people thought it wouldn't be grav.

>>53573822
I'm amazed how much stuff related to the Primarines people have been wrong on.

>>53573822
People have serious trouble accepting the concept behind the Primaris. Probably because "space marines BUT BETTER" is a niche already filled much better by Custodes.

>>53573946
>tfw there are still no sign of primaris centurions
Where are my Space Marine Space Marine Space Marines.

>>53573946
>already filled much better by Custodes.

Except Custodes are more like GK, a highly specialized force. Primarines are just Space Marines+. I got no problems with them, already looking into ways of converting some of the starter set ones into my force, though I might wait for proper rules to drop to see how I can equip them. Right now there's no options for them, just the gear the models have on them.

>>53573946
Haven't kept up with the new lore; was I right when I called it that Primarines would be to their Primarchs what the Custodes are to the Emperor? Like, genetically altered rather than stuffed with organs etc?

>>53574046
>was I right when I called it that Primarines would be to their Primarchs what the Custodes are to the Emperor? Like, genetically altered rather than stuffed with organs etc?
Nope.

In fact, nu-Marines have 3 extra organs over regular marines.

>>53574046
They differ by having three additional organs and old marines can be made into primaris.

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>>53573979
Or better yet Space Marine Space Marine Dreadknights

>>53574073
>>53574077
So that trailer talking about deeper genetic tinkering was full of shit then.

>>53574194
b-but anon those organs make them swol and sell-able in a box of 5 for $100

so how aweful are Solar auxilia? I mostly play against Iron warriors and 40k armies (eldar / IG) and I want them sexy volkite russes and dracosans.

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>>53573325
>5000 hours in ms paint

>>53569773
for us noobs, why 5 per squad and why no ceramite?

>>53573776
Replace the nose-gun with TL-Heavy Bolters, strap on some sponsons, and you have a grav-Proteus on your hands. I like it.

>>53573696
>>53573756
It's British culture to call them that, stop replying with bait and actually take my post serialist

>>53573776
Love it
That's what custodes should be

>>53572511
>>53574862
fucking hideous

>>53574862
I like it slightly more now but it still need the turret to be replaced with something like the deimos

i heard assault armies suck in 30k. but if i want to play pure assault, what's the best legion and unit options?

>>53575057
World eaters
Everyone with chainaxes
Just march forward

>>53571211
If there is some anon who knows of an annual event in/near Seattle then I might be up for that. I think most of what inhibits me is not having a friend who also knows plays. At least with 7.5 on the horizon I can blend in with not knowing what I'm doing gameplay wise.

>>53575057
Assault is better than it is in 40k. Blood Angels are your friend. Berserker legion with all the handsome men and the most chad primarch to ever chad.

>>53575057
Assault sucks right until a breaking point where it suddenly becomes amazing again. WE are a great example there: Spam enough of the shitty melee squads and you're opponent will have a tough time dealing with them fest enough before he'll get torn apart.

>>53575477
So a melee zerg-rush? Is this at all viable with other armies, or is WE the prime candidate? Like, would it be at all viable to run Despoiler swarms with chainswords+bolt pistols?

>>53570172
I'm fine with calling him lawful neutral rather than lawful good for those reasons - but he's so by-the-book that he's gotta be lawful.

>>53575583
soh can do it, NL can do it, EC can do it, BA can do it, WE can do it, IW can do bolter + bp + ccw melee spam with HoO, DG can do a weird variant with rad grenades, DA can also do it with sword despoilers? idk about that last one.

>>53574862
It's beautiful...

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>>53572120
>Also, isn't the fact that advanced anti-grav engines are beyond the VAST majority of the Imperium/Forge Worlds to produce a thing anymore?

I suppose Land Speeders get in that way of that argument... but yes, even in M31 only the best of the best of the best (,sir!) could afford grav tanks.

40k's gone nuts, with new geneseed techniques, new armor, new bolters, and new tanks in a culture that thinks invention is literally heresy. Guilliman wrote a codex that mixed special and heavy weapons into tactical squads, got injured, woke up... and suddenly he's decided that the new bigmarines should be equipped the way pre-codex squads were. Dafuq? Then we got that warp scar that isolated the northern half of the galaxy... unless Guilliman was crossing it to save the Blood Angels, give them bigmarines, and go back home. No impediment to warp travel then. Nor was the Tyranids' shadow in the warp, for that matter.

Anyway, that's why I'm going to stay here in M31. And yeah, I'm fine with old-school Custodes players using these. I like the new FW Custodes vehicles, but I get it.

>>53572198
The throne keeps the webway portal closed. In MoM, Emps gets off the throne because he's going to personally fight the daemons trying to get in - so it's okay that no one's keeping it closed. When he teleports to the Vengeful Spirit, he either needs an army to protect the portal (but it's too depleted, and a lot of the remaining Custodes are going with him) or he needs a superpsyker to do a psychic Hodor.

>>53575724
how do NL or EC do it? tac squad/despoiler spam?

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>>53575971
Asking again cause I just got laughs last time
Why is the emp so anime in MoM? Teleporting around with a fire sword and nothing personnel kid-ing everyone. Maybe it would have been better if we didn't see how E-money fought

>>53575884
With honours :^)

>>53575583
Assault works, but running does not. There are too many AP3 blast weapons for footslogging to be a good idea, and morale plays a role too (30k marines DO break and run). You'll need transports.

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>>53575884
>40k's gone nuts, with new geneseed techniques, new armor, new bolters, and new tanks in a culture that thinks invention is literally heresy. Guilliman wrote a codex that mixed special and heavy weapons into tactical squads, got injured, woke up... and suddenly he's decided that the new bigmarines should be equipped the way pre-codex squads were. Dafuq? Then we got that warp scar that isolated the northern half of the galaxy... unless Guilliman was crossing it to save the Blood Angels, give them bigmarines, and go back home. No impediment to warp travel then. Nor was the Tyranids' shadow in the warp, for that matter.
I KNOW RIGHT

>>53576091
If you could teleport and had a bigass sword, how would you use it?
I'd use it as a wand to channel Sanctic powers, but I love teleporting

>>53576091
Just trying to match the old fluff. He's been depicted with a flaming sword for decades, and he's always been a big-picture kind of guy (i.e. nothing personal, but killing these millions of people will be good for humanity as a whole so goodbye).

>>53576052
EC get initiative bonuses when charging and have good Legion-specific unit. Problem is they're way overcosted.

Night Lords have meh rules overall, but get bonuses for outnumbering the enemy similar to SoH. Their units are pretty gut and they can take chainglaives.

>>53576052
NL get shrouding and increased run distance during night fighting, infiltrating terror squads with heavy chainblades, EC get auto arrive from outflank on T2.

>>53565376
As a counter-movement to my groups 10k and 15k point lists, I've made 2K of Alpha Legion, with an option to increase to 3K. 2 Leviathans, 3 10 man units of Headhunters, and a cheapass HQ. I still have a little play in what I'm doing, and we can play games that don't take all day. I've built 3 additional Leviathans and 3 further 10 man Headhunter squads, so I'm pretty much a basic bitch, but it gets things done.

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>>53574862
Dammit this isn't what it should have been, but still better than the Coronus
>>53572017
I dislike these new models. Not only is their fluff terrible, but they look good enough that they'll sell out and will become a huge success.

>>53572586
You should add annuva missile launchr ya gitz!

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>>53572747
That'd be GW's job :^)

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>>53572752
That'd be GW's job :^)

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>>53572861
Eldurabo.

>>53576448
>npc race got blown out by imperium and chaos, the only factions that matter

Sorry anon, nidsfags have been saying for years that blood angels were going to get wiped out here.

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>>53575884
>>53576129
40k's writing has been in a spiral for a long time now. A very, very long time. But I think we've reached the point where they've found a shark and set up the ramp.

>Dark Angel bigmarines
They'll abandon their own allies for using Emperor-approved abhumans, them just accepting Cawl's new hotness is silly and wrong.

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>>53573776
AAAH GRAV RHINO

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>>53573890
It was mostly "these niggas can't be serious". And bam. All the cheese from the 80's with the awesome relaced by ridiculous but supported by cool-looking minis.

>>53576501
Kek, as if. But you'll agree that the NPC race exists to give your dudes something to struggle against, something to join as a legion and do a glorious last stand, pulled through great sacrifice.
And then a deus ex machina happens, your genesire's great enemy is tsundere and kills off the NPCs and Guilliman saves the day buy Primarines :DD

>>53576262
>As a counter-movement to my groups 10k and 15k point lists
Good luck with your 2k list!

>>53576640
I'll have to buy guillimarines for 40k blood angels now. Sounds like they all got turned into chads.

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>>53576680
>Tfw your children follow into your chadsteps but you always mantained your biggest flaw was to be too far above the others.

>>53575884
>I suppose Land Speeders get in that way of that argument... but yes, even in M31 only the best of the best of the best (,sir!) could afford grav tanks.

So what has changed? Primarines are better than regular Marine, so why wouldn't they get their grav-tanks?

>40k's gone nuts, with new geneseed techniques, new armor, new bolters, and new tanks in a culture that thinks invention is literally heresy.

Yeah, because new stuff hasn't been coming into the game every year out of nowhere. And gene-seeds and genetics haven't been tampered with before. Totally unheard of in 40k universe. I would not be surprised if Cawl's mechanical fingers didn't play some part in things like the 21st founding.

>wrote a codex that mixed special and heavy weapons into tactical squads, got injured, woke up... and suddenly he's decided that the new bigmarines should be equipped the way pre-codex squads were

Maybe we should wait for the actual codex to come out, before jumping into conclusions. So far we only have rules for the starter kit models, which don't come with any options, and thus GW doesn't give them any rules for options. Once proper Primarine kits come with their equipment, things might change.

Also, Primarines aren't like regular Marines, so it's very possible the Codex Astartes doesn't apply to them. It's possible they're designed to go on the offensive in larger numbers, thus going back to Legion style doctrine would probably work better than the chapter system, which works for small forces with limited bodies and a need for tactical flexibility.

>No impediment to warp travel then.

Why can't you go over, under or around the scar? You can't fly through the Eye of Terror (or the likelihood of making it are next to nothing), but that doesn't mean words on the other side are inaccessible. Just fly around it.

The fact you need to circle around the galaxy should be a big enough hindrance.

>>53576857
More organs = lower odds of an aspirant surviving the transformation. How the hell do you pump out Legion-sized forces in a year or two?

Also goddamn, I thought you'de need multiple human lifespans to cross the Imperium from one edge to the other? But Gorillaman kan pop from Ultramar to Terra and back again only to then go to Baal?

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>>53576857
>so why wouldn't they get their grav-tanks?
Because no one has built a grav tank in millenia. It's not about deserving it, it's simply a matter of "there is none". Remember Sammael and the last Imperial Jetbike?
Now he's angry DA manlet in generic outdated jetbike.
That's what "advancing the plot" does to a solid-state setting
>Yeah, because new stuff hasn't been coming into the game every year out of nowhereAnd it shouldn't. Cue the billion whirlwind variants when the IG should be the mechanized faction. Not every faction should have everything.
> And gene-seeds and genetics haven't been tampered with before.
And that sucked for the 21st founding. But now he does better marines than the Emperor and all of Mars and Luna.
>Maybe we should wait for the actual codex to come out, before jumping into conclusions.
100% agree on this. I like how Guilliman brought some legion elements back. "Uh oh, I didn't have all the answers and people took my guideline manual as literal holy text".
>Why can't you go over, under or around the scar?
What's the point of presenting an obstacle if in the end it doesn't even matter :^)? Or worse: IT MATTERS TO EVERYONE BUT GUILLIMAN.

>>53576995
>everyone but Guilliman
primarch powers bro, or just wait for Magnus to turn back to the light and he'll solve everything lickety-split

>>53577117
>Magnus' Folly

With friends like these. who even needs enemies?

>>53577117
>Magnus to turn back to the light
He's a fucking daemon and already ravaged Fenris. Twice. If he didn't accept his fate 10000 years ago, stop believing he will do so now.
>Primarch powers
Remember when Primarchs' main strenght was that they were awesome generals? Yeah, me neither.

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>>53576995
>Because no one has built a grav tank in millenia.

That we know of. Just like we didn't know of all the SM flyers, tank variants, etc. until they came into the game.

>Remember Sammael and the last Imperial Jetbike?

The one that's been lost many times over, yet somehow makes a (((miraculous recovery)))?

>That's what "advancing the plot" does to a solid-state setting

At this point, I'll take M42 over cramming everything imaginable to 99X.M41.

>And that sucked for the 21st founding.

It's almost like he experimented and got better at it.

>now he does better marines than the Emperor

One had 10,000 years, the other a bunch of scraps in a cave.

>What's the point of presenting an obstacle if in the end it doesn't even matter

Having to travel around the galaxy seems like a bit of an obstacle to me. It doesn't stop contact between the two sides, but it does hinder response time from one to the other, so that both sides have to get by with what they got.

>>53577159
true enough him fucking up the project was a major shitfest that might have doomed the imperium
But Magnus will redeem himself, just you wait!
>>53577187
>Fenris
Screw Fenris man, it's more tainted than Caliban
And he accepted his fate, it's just that Russ was killing all his sons and that was too much man
The light of the Emperor will cleanse his daemon form, or he could just help out the Imperium as a daemon, that's cool too

>>53577117
Tbh, Lorgar would probs turn first. He has expressed regret before, and after 10k years of meditating, seeing the Imperium as a theocratic regime fully under the control of the Imperial Truth would tickle even his daemonic heart

>>53577292
The Ecclesiarchy might tickle his heart, but he went full on Aurelian-mode and loved being the real chosen one of chaos
Granted who knows what crazy shit he was thinking about while meditating

>>53577249
>or he could just help out the Imperium as a daemon, that's cool too
Necrons were helping BAs, Guilliman consorts with Eldar, daemon Magnus helps the Imperium.
Fuck it, at this rate GW might do it like Marvel publishing a gay lesbian black spidergirl or something. I've ran out of fucks to give.

>>53577335
Really. I'm not a fan of cliche'd redemption stories, but of all the daemon primarchs Lorgar seems the most reasonable for a change of heart due to 10k years of meditating alone. Angron, Fulgrim, Morty, and Magnus are long gone. The others have the smallest sliver of potential.

>>53577484
What about Omegon?

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>>53577238
>Just like we didn't know of all the SM flyers, tank variants, etc. until they came into the game.
You say it like it's a good thing.
>(((miraculous recovery)))
They have a dozen of them hidden. Because DAs love secrets. And what if they did have the STC? Did anything happen when the BAs refused to give the Baal engine STC?
>I'll take M42 over cramming everything imaginable to 99X.M41.
Earth is a big place and global events have to be much summarized. Try doing that with a million earths with cities that hold planetary populations and many more substations in deep space and inexplored places. And that's only about humans.
>It's almost like he experimented and got better at it.
>One had 10,000 years, the other a bunch of scraps in a cave.
The Emperor had 30000+ years, plus Dark God power, plus all of Terra, plus Luna, plus all of Mars, plus unlimited legal power, plus future vision. Cawl is a fucking deus ex machina for selling toy soldiers, and I like him, but that's what he is.
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> it does hinder response time from one to the other
Unless you're Guilliman, then you'll arrive just in time ;^)

>>53577568
I find it strange that now one has asked Guiliman about Eskrador.
It's a dubious account but Guilliman was there. And no one bothers to ask?

>>53577568
He might've died on Eskandor. If he didn't, and he's still a closet loyalist, he seems to have lost control of the legion.

I can't see Lorgar turning; he wanted gods and he found them, and it seems that they've been good to him. Better odds of Perturabo changing, imo.

>>53577630
Does anyone in M41 know about those old battles?

>>53577637
If he can't control the splinters of the old legion then we've got a lot of spy stories ready to be told of how he's using his loyalists to rein the XX in.

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fucking thank god for HH, thanks to this I don't have to give a shit about 40k anymore. I'm actually going to strip my half painted chapter of paint again and paint them all as 30k UM. I prefer staying the the GC-Immediately post Heresy Era, than the skubby clusterfuck that 41k turns out to be.

>>53577708
I hope you're not talking about Mk VII or Mk VIII minis...

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>>53577708
Jej, and it's going to get even worse :^)

>>53577615
>You say it like it's a good thing.

I say like it's a fact.

>Did anything happen when the BAs refused to give the Baal engine STC?

They made the Predator Infernus as a sad attempt to copy the idea, if I'm remembering it correctly.

>Earth is a big place and global events have to be much summarized.

And now imagine all the global events of the past decade or two crammed into one year. And each year just adding more to the pile. How much can one year hold?

>The Emperor had 30000+ years

Do show me where the Emperor worked on the space marines alone for 30,000 years.

>plus Dark God power

If you want to drink that kool-aid.

>plus all of Terra, plus Luna, plus all of Mars, plus unlimited legal power,

Marines came to be during the Unification Wars, when the Emperor was fighting with the warlords on Terra, before he conquered Luna, Mars, etc. That's why you have Legion marines with thunderbolts and eagle heads, to denote themselves as Unification War veterans.

>plus future vision.

Which included losing the primarchs and shit?

>Cawl is a fucking deus ex machina for selling toy soldiers

So is the Emperor, anon, so is the Emperor. And everything else.

>Unless you're Guilliman, then you'll arrive just in time

That's how conspiracy theories are started, anon. When things just happen to be a little too convenient.

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>>53577739
mk3 is the way to go brother. I was actually building a mk3 UM successor special snowflake chapter with access to mk3 armor. But I hate the way 41k looks and now I'd rather fuck it.

>>53577739
Nothing but, anon. Enjoy your 40k Marinefags pouring in over the border with their MkVII armies, 40k vehicles and smelly foods.

>>53577812
REEE

>>53577807
I'd be more accepting of the changes if the writing weren't so bad.

But hey, your plan sounds great. And if you want, you can still make them a chapter within the UM with some color differences.

>>53577900
It is supposed to be a Company tasked with recruiting and training new initiates on a far flung part of Ultramar. Veterans and raw recruits weathering the horus heresy with lots of Imperial Army auxilia.

>>53577807
I still don't get why this is out of order

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Did the Mechanicum have a navy at all? After looking at all the assorted stuff like Arvus transports, deepstriking Thallax and Ursarax, Lightnings and Vulturax running air cover I kind of want to try a Mech Air army, if it's not complete fluff rape.

Can they use that rule for stealing Lords of War to pick up a large flyer at all, or is that just for shit like Macharius tanks?

>>53578108
They had their own ships and many of the Navy fighters can be upgraded with servitor crew, so it would stand reason for those things to be usable by Mechanicum as well.

>>53577615
>>I'll take M42 over cramming everything imaginable to 99X.M41.
>Earth is a big place and global events have to be much summarized. Try doing that with a million earths with cities that hold planetary populations and many more substations in deep space and inexplored places. And that's only about humans.
He's got a point, though. GW has been really poor lately about shoving nearly all their fluff into 997-999M41, to the point that people are probably in multiple places at once and I was amazed that the Beast didn't invade then.

You've got 10,000 years of setting to play around in, if you want to convince people that Abbadon is actually a successful bad guy don't tell us about how big a deal he is at present and shove a bunch of victories into the last few years. Go put out a couple of campaign books and BL tie-ins about, say, the 10th Black Crusade and explain why what appears to be a defeat actually worked out in Abbadon's favor.

>>53577992
Sounds good to me. And kinda like >>53577900 suggested, you can always use it for 30k and 40k. I know EC guy mentioned at some point that his guys would serve double duty in both eras, though he didn't seem to have a lot planned yet.

>>53578194
>10th Black Crusade and explain why what appears to be a defeat actually worked out in Abbadon's favor.
That one's actually pretty easy, given that it was mostly Iron Warriors tarpitting Medusa so that Abbadon could nick his doomsday artifact while the Iron Nouns duked it out.

I totally feel you on GW proper needing to make better use of unexplored historical periods than they've been doing. I have a hunger for Age of Apostasy/Occulsad material like you would not believe.

>>53576091
anime? must be your frame of weebo reference?
i imagined it more like shadow of mordor

>>53578329
I ain't no weeb tho
Picturing it as shadow of mordor warping helps, thanks my man

>>53578108
The Mechanicum had their own dedicated ships, the Explorator Fleets being the most well known example.
Officially these ships are not allowed to be armed for war (limited defence is fine, post heresy at least, might not be the case during the heresy).

However, Mechanicum being Mechanicum, they get creative with being "technically unarmed", as they do enjoy being the best kind of correct.

Things like using the weapons on the Titans on-board as close range guns, or fitting the ships with deployable orbital artillery batteries (that have no trouble shooting at other ships).

>>53578401
Ah, the Larry Niven approach to spaceship warfare. I can get behind that, and probably steal half the man's ideas for loot. I wonder what the 40k legal limits for "mining lasers", "Industrial protective gear" and "hot exhausts" are?

Weren't the Reductor in fleets of warships? Would seem strange to have them being even technically unarmed.

>>53578319
>while the Iron Nouns duked it out
kek

>>53578194
Some of the Cain novels were good about using dates in M42.

>>53578401
In the Battlefleet Gothic fluff and rules, M41 AdMech fleets are actually better armed than the Imperial equivalents. You basically take an Imperial Navy ship class, add a defensive turret, a "mechanicus gift" (random special feature), and for larger ships add a dorsal lance and the option to replace prow torpedoes with a nova cannon. After all, it's the Mechanicus that builds the Imperium's ships, and these guys send smaller fleets into deep space so they need to be well armed. Their total number of ships is said to be small in comparison.

It's probably not too different in M31.

>>53578319
To be honest I chose at random since I can't really remember the 2-11th crusades. Glad I chose one that would have worked well for a campaign series.

>>53578590
There aren't too many mentions of mechanicum ships in BL books I believe, Soul Drinker comes with the "technically unarmed" thing, as well as the deployable orbital cannons.
One of the rogue trader novels features a more heavily armed mechanicum ship, but this is on a chartered trade fleet, and it's an Explorator Ark, they're built for dark space.
Can't remember too many more off the top of my head from the books I've read.

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First Imperial Knight of House Malinax, all magnetised and ready for priming and painting.

He's the Filiketos' low points replacement if a LoW is needed, and the dream is to eventually have four Knights total.

He still needs a name, though, since for once I decided not to trim the nameplates off like I do with tanks.

>>53578938
>He still needs a name, though, since for once I decided not to trim the nameplates off like I do with tanks.
Fred sounds good.

>>53578938
Name : Knighty McKnightface

>>53578938
I'm all out of names, anon.
Selket was Ra's scorpion daughter.

>>53578938
Traitor McTraitorface

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>>53579414
>All out of names
>Provides excellent name
Thanks, anon, and that would actually be surprisingly simple to paint. Much obliged, nameanon. Have a goddess for ants.

>>53572247
Considering now they're burning up 4000 of them a day, I think Malcador needed to do the job because I don't see how you move a large group of untrained pieces of Chaos bait into the Throne room while said Chaos is fucking the whole planet up.

>>53572638
Goddamn Mechanicus. Either they're fucking toasters or doing weird shit with vehicles when you turn your back (who knows, maybe they're fucking the metal boxes too, and this... stuff is the result).

>>53578938
Ichobad

>>53579471
Ooh I've still got it. Glad you liked it.

>>53579518
And hear I sit, still waiting on GW to re-canonize deodorant grav-tanks.

>>53579739
Only if you use an official GW deodorant bar. Two for only 31£ :DDD
t. not GW but buy their minis

Not sure if a date has been established, but when was FW releasing the rules for 7.5?

Also I assume this will invalidate the warhammerdigital versions of the Army list/rules combos.

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>>53580222
I was just about to ask this. When? I want to write a list but in the new rules.
I want to discover new broken combos >:^)

>>53580222
>>53580260
FW does not establish dates. We don't know.

One of the podcasts spoke to Tony Cottrell and said to tone down your expectations - it sounds like a stopgap measure that will change as little as possible in the 7th ed. rules. It's more to buy time following the loss of Alan Bligh (we don't know how long he was unable to work, but it was during the time that they would have spent writing new army rules for 8th ed.).

>>53576487
>tfw no sequel to space marine or gladiator
Corrupt Titus and DEUS VULT Commudus would have been cool to see

>>53578938
Priam or Nestor.

>>53580620
Disappointing :/ oh well, thanks for the answer.

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>>53581265
Renegade isn't the same as corrupt, anon. Probably it was someone else's mischief.
>Tfw his resilience was because he was a secret Primarine :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)

>>53581391
The dark gods corrupted him, but in the third game he joins the knights of sanguinuus and marches on the eye of terror itself

>>53581448
Titus is resilient against warp power because he's pure. Pure!

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>>53581576
Be silent witch, lest your pleads make a true brother guilty

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>>53581799
Yes, yes, shoot the innocent, I mean witch

How many Lords of War do you each have, anons, and have you ever used them all at once? I've got my first ever Apoc game in a month or so, anyone have anything particularly silly happen in one?

>>53578938
Knightanon

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>>53581947
A TRVE ROMAN lost in the war against the furfags

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>>53581977
covF

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Fuck I'm hype. My buddy grabbed me a Telemon Heavy Dreadnought at Fest the other day and I'll be building it in a few days.

Apparently it's frame is bigger than the Leviathans when side by side

>>53582320
I'm not surprised. It's got the Warlord Titan grilled joints, I've just noticed. That looks cool. Do we have any idea what the rules are?

That missile pod is sexy, I want two for nefarious tech-heresy purposes.

>>53582368
>the Warlord Titan grilled joints
Actually all the Custodes dreads have that, as they're on my Galatus.

>>53582388
Nice little touch, they look much nicer than the Knight to Reaver solid version.

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>>53582320
>Telemon
How much is too much?

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>>53582145
I only follow duncan now, even if the results are still average at best.

>>53582659
I dunno man, that gold looks excellent to me. I think the ornamentations could use some colour though

>>53582659
I really like that shading. The gems, too. Just hit the red parts with a wash of their own and maybe do a few highlights on the gold (not 100% necessary) and it'll be gol- uh, really good.

Is it just me, or are the supposedly non-combat Mechanicus characters still surprisingly badass? Earlier today I saw a tank-minding Magos Reductor with just his axe and a Machinator pull some kind of Swanton Bomb off the top of a wrecked Basilisk and kick the shit out of a whole squad of melta vets solo. Holy Shit, Magos Dakka.

>>53582881
Not Archmagos, just mere Magos [REDACTOR]?

>>53582881
Religious autism is a hell of a drug, anon.
>REEEEEEEE YOU MELT MY BASILISK I MELT YOUR PAIN RECEPTORS

>>53582368
No idea on the rules; everything speculated has gone out the window since it supposedly shits on Leviathans.

I will eventually grab a second with what was hinted at to be more weapons

>>53582881
>bringers of the blessed ruin
>wondering why their so good at bringing about said ruin
Its only combat if there is someone left alive to fight back.

Where does it end? Custodes Warhound-equivalent? Custodes Cerberus?

>>53582981
I want off the custode train. Finish up space wolves and get on to the good legions.

>>53582916
Yeah, he had an Archmagos hanging with some Myrmidons further up the table, this was just the guy fixing and buffing the two arty tanks. The best part was how he climbed onto the tank just so he could leap down off it in an awesome way instead of, you know, walking around. I suspect he was a bit bored and then a lot enraged once the tank he'd been lovingly fixing all game was torched.

>>53582977

Yeah, but they are siege specialists. I expect artillery and cursory mopping up with Thallax, not Ripping and Tearing his way through an entire squad of 10 3A Marines and a Power Fist sarge without a scratch.

>>53583010
>and get on to the good legions
And the Dark Angels, too.

>no eikos lamiad and telemechrus FW models yet
I want my cyborg buddy cop duo kicking traitor asses all across Calth already.

How long until ADB writes Cawl into the Heresy?

>>53583266
I mean, that could be done reasonably well. Give him a minor role, have him as a miltiarised Genetor or something, being a medic to some isolated Marines or leading a small Mechanicum force to help out on Terra or Mars. He works quite well as a supporting character judging by the GS books.

any good militia ideas? would people be happy with a beastmen list like the 40k one that guy did?

>>53583027
"siege specialists" is an overly general term for what the Order Reductor was created to do, unmake anything that was beyond the ability of anyone else in the Great Crusade to handle. Sometimes that mean giving the IVth (further) competition for the best fortress-breakers in the business and sometimes it meant having the best battle automata they could get their hands on escort a superweapon to the heart of enemy forces where said device would unleash a black hole or similarly exotic cosmic phenomena.

Finished Gunbuster the other night, so as Reductor-y as it sounds I can't claim credit for the black hole bomb idea

>>53583266
I like the idea of the Monstrous Creature plot device of tthe 41st millennium at the start of his carrier as a weedly little runt of a genetor or archeotechnologist with at most a special rule or two to set him apart. Maybe not even make him a full on IC, just an upgrade to an otherwise normal infantry unit.

>>53583456
Beastmen, Squats, felinids, just go wherever your modeling heart takes you anon.

>>53583456
Yeah, Beastmen are great.

The only militia list that causes saltiness is the Cult Horde. Fearless hordes should not be a thing.

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>>53583317
>Give him a minor role, have him as a miltiarised Genetor or something, being a medic to some isolated Marines
A:
You know no one who works at BL knows the meaning of "subtlety". It was replaced in their neural pathways for "BELLICOSE", and in Kyme's case, by flaming burly #000000 black men.
B:
Just what the hell is Cawl? Help me out here, anons. Maybe I missed it, but what branch is Cawl besides "Archmagos"? Arkhan is a technoarchaeologist, and knows his ways around mechanisms. I think the one who gets the big bot body was an Arch Dominus, meaning she was Cybernetica, like Scoria and Satarael. Decima was Reductor, the only named one, actually, while Draykavac is regular Taghmata with extra-close ties to his bonded Knight House.
Meanwhile, Cawl invented new weaponry, new armours, new dreadnought, new marine process, tech that heals better than Primarch heal factor and is now mass producing grav tanks, the sort Land actually died looking for.
Genetors don't do that. Reductors don't do that.
Just what the hell is he? I now have re-do the Cawl meme pic, it became outdated in a day it seems!

>>53583601
Cawl is 10 000+ years old.
He's picked up a few degrees.

>>53583601
logician ?

>>53583626
Don't you find it weird how both 30k and 40k have a That Mechanicum Guy that is stronger than their current technopope?
>>53583659
Logistician? That's strategy.

>>53573776
Anyone know how big this thing is? Close to Rhino or Raider?

>>53583667
>Don't you find it weird how both 30k and 40k have a That Mechanicum Guy that is stronger than their current technopope?

Not really.
They probably don't waste so much time on political science.

>>53583115
No arguments here.

>>53583667
Not really strange, I wouldn't expect a politician with what amounts to extensive engineering training to be able to outfight their best warriors, especially when said warriors actively make themselves better at combat by duct-taping more guns, armour, comms gear and analysis equipment in place of all the other augments.

Do we actually have rules for either of the current FabGens? No Kelbor, no Zagreus Kane and we don't even know who has the job in 40k, last I checked. I suspect Hal will be a total beast, although probably not in the raw power department.

>>53583667
>>53583659 (You) #
>Logistician? That's strategy
my name is Neysu, bringer of knowledge
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Logicians

>>53583727
People are calling it the Flyno, but it does look Land Raider-based.

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What units do you guys think Night Lords are gonna get with Angelus?

>>53583865
Special kyroptera terminators, recosted raptors, sevetar gets options for terminator armour or jetpack or both. Thats all i want.

>>53583549
A bunch of Reductor weapons specialists and hotshot Baskilion Astra pilot types popping out of the Warp at the start of M42 after a suicide play early in the Great Crusade might actually be kinda cool. They'd probably just see it as another day at work and an interesting intellectual challenge and start designing some kind of Culexus Bomb, though. Where the hell ARE the 40k Reductor? Seems like they'd be about perfect for chopping though Tau specialist weaponry or Daemon Engine spearheads, or coming up with mitigation, containment and possibly elimination strategies for Daemon Primarch attacks.

I do love their mission statement, though. Just some Terran veteran Marine command or Army general calling for the "guys who make problems not be there anymore" is a nice image.

>>53583865
New optional traitor only legion rule, like world eaters, that reflects how much jobbing they do by making them WS and BS 2.

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>>53583865
Owned. Also, Atramentar. Not sure what else, really. Doomrider's origin story, I hope.

>>53583909
I thought the terminators were the Atramentar? But anyway a bunch of Kyroptera characters would be cool, I hope the Night Raptors get a buff because their models are awesome but they sort of suck

>>53583967
atramentar are all the NL terminators, kyroptera were the commanders-think the difference between legion terminators and legion-specifics

>>53568484
Guy was a degenerate even before his fall though, it was just subtler.

That's one of the things I like about the BL lore; nobody just turned traitor all of sudden, but rather had the seeds in them the whole time

>>53583824
>I wouldn't expect a politician with what amounts to extensive engineering training to be able to outfight their best warriors
Reminder that Scoria is powerful because he stole all the relic of the previous Xanithe Vhodian magister.
The Technopope should have better relics and thus be more powerful. After all, in MoM the Archmagos ascention granted her a brand new combat body with lots of dakka.

>>53571051
Khan was raised by a tribesman on the planet Chogoris, specifically the region of steppes and plains on one half of the planet. The other half of the planet was a more "civilized" region of towns and cities ruled by a brutal warlord who went hunting the tribes on the other half of the world for fun. Khan had enough of that shit, uniting the tribes and pushing the warlord's shit in til he eventually killed said warlord who invaded the steppes seeking revenge. Notably, Khan didn't care about ruling the newly defeated civilization, and returned to the steppes and the tribal lifestyle.

Horus seems to have just fucked around on his own, comparable to Curze or the Lion, until the Emperor found him. Because Horus was found first, the lack of complete integration into his home culture from such a short time between landing on the planet and subsequent rediscovery means he only picked up rudimentary aspects of said culture, specifically gutter-fighting and controlled savagery in overall strategy/hand-to-hand combat.

It is quite plausible that Alpharius/Omegon did the usual Primarch thing of conquering their adoptive home planet and society, or something similar, before getting mindfucked by aliens. There is some evidence suggesting that Alpharius/Omegon also existed at the Emperor's side, perhaps even before Horus was found.

>>53583835
That actually makes a lot of sense. It's almost tragic, since if any of the Logicians had made it to high enough rank in the Cult Mechanicus they'd have been free to pursue progress anyway, with the resources of minor gods and entire worlds at their disposal.

Still, I think Cawl is probably a kind of Multiple Archmagos, he's lived so long he's reached that kind of specialty level in quite a few subjects. He probably started off as a general, given the first name, and developed the other talents later, although he is kind of omnidisciplinary all the same. I would expect most Archmagi to know at least the rudiments of how to repair, fight, fleshcraft, design and command through sheer experience, but he's exceedingly good at all of them.
Either that or he's a a Galatea-type Tech-priest Gestalt mind with a few different specialists, but that's unlikely since he has a consistent personality, that slightly heartbreaking "I have ... failed" moment actually made the cyborg the most developed and nuanced character in the GS books, which probably says a lot more about the skill of the writers than Cawl himself.

>>53572756
Literally the only thing it shares with his sword is the name, it's got a completely new background and everything.

>>53584123
Touche. I'd be surprised if the technopope had to get its hands dirty often, though. When even the Mechanicus civilian cartographers can kill scores of combat Servitors with binharic REEEE the FabGen and his crew are probably going to be burning starships or Titans or something.

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>>53583835
This is nice. Neysu.
>>53584140
>tfw unsanctioned to perform scientific progress, so they have to make a secret cult.
Poor them.
I dislike how Cawl is 10000 years old so he can pull whatever the story or GW mini enterprise needs from under his robes because "lol 10,000 years of preparation". Like batman but less funny.
I was now eager to dislike him, the idea of him being a clone-lineage/Multiplescent would again turn him double-awesome and prevent me from doing that.
I must research what this Galatea means.

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>>53583549
>"siege specialists" is an overly general term for what the Order Reductor was created to do, unmake anything that was beyond the ability of anyone else in the Great Crusade to handle
This. They reduce things, or people, or aliens. No matter what they face, they destroy it.
>I like the idea of the Monstrous Creature plot device of tthe 41st millennium at the start of his carrier as a weedly little runt of a genetor or archeotechnologist with at most a special rule
Reminder that BL is making their characters say all the 40k quotes like Vulkan saying "forget the promise of progress...", Sigismund saying "in the far future, there will be only war" and the the hive mind taking interest in the Milky way because of the Pharos.
If young Belisarius is included, it'll be something like
>Oh Mr. Guilliman, I'm such a fan. I hope one day I can revive you and make better marines for your
>Well you may be onto something, Cawl. Call me 'Boute, 'cause I be rocking everywhere ;^)
>*Aaaaaaaaaay*s in binary.

>>53584244
Galatea is in the Forge of Mars books, it's this robo-scorpion thing with a half-dozen brain jars set into it, and it's apparently a gestalt mind that assimilates dying friends when it has the opportunity, and is strong enough mentally to fight a straight-up binharic duel with an Archmagos and take control of/install a Dead Man's Switch in what's possibly the most advanced Imperial ship ever. Basically Xana's wet dream. It's actually a shard of the villain Heretek Archmagos' mind, and the "gestalt" consists of it holding a figurative gun to the heads of every Magos within it and using their knowledge to do it. It's fucking terrifying, even before they meet the whole Heretek and his Sector-killing star-making godlike superweapon.

It still shows that kind of Gestalt mind is possible and ludicrously powerful, though, and it would give a good reason why Cawl still has the fleshy face and arm - Galatea had a human torso and head in it's chassis which it used as a mouthpiece, it would keep everyone's attention on the singular appearance rather than realising what he is, and as it's probably not his actual mind in there it's not much of a risk.

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Why is this general even up?

The last heresy novel was in November.

The last heresy book was in February.

There has been nearly nothing since then.

Why don'y you guys take a break or something?

>>53584522
>Traitors: still alive
>Gulliman: still girlyman
>My Iron Warriors and Emperor's Childeren: Still unfinished
No time for breaks anon.

>>53584132
>before getting mindfucked by aliens.
That account was also a lie, anon.

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>>53584522
Not posting? Like, how?
Can't really talk about my obsession with regular mortals. With GW gutting 40k, why wouldn't I want to be here in /HHG/?
Though they do give nice ideas for memes.

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>>53584482
>robo-scorpion thing
What's up with the Mechanicum's fascination for scorpions?
>half-dozen brain jars set into it
Crew goals :')

>>53584244
>I dislike how Cawl is 10,000 years old
I had a brief thought that he was a Techmarine, but it didn't add up when I delved deeper into it.

>>53584633
Well, Galatea did have entirely brains from one research station crew to start with, minus the guy who got himself killed for tech-heresy trying to make Servitorks but with human cloned skin to appease his fellows, who united to kill him IIRC.

So yeah, technically Galatea is squad designated driver :)

What would happen if Cawl's true identity revealed as Arkhan Land?

>>53585260
Didn't Arkhan die?

>>53584591
I didn't say anything of his account with certainty

>>53585286
Missing in Action IRC; While explorating deep Mars.

>>53583626
the way I remembered it, old Tech Priests actually were so far removed from human intuition and initiative they couldn't even optimize existing mechanisms. And the very old ones were supposed to be little more than dogma dispensers, driven by ceremony and code, barely even acknowledging the world around them anymore.

And people have to remember, the Admech wasn't fond of innovation and progress even in 30k, it was always dogmatic and conservative. After the Kelbor Hal incident, even lower ranking Magos would be very reluctant to share blueprints and designs with possible traitors. And someone as secretive and old as Cawl would probably find himself disassembled for tech heresy before he could screech "But I have a permit" in binary.

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>>53585191
>Servitorks but with human cloned skin to appease his fellows
Kek pls tell me he was drunk

>>53584522
I mean, the next novel will be out within a week or two, so there's that.

>>53585260
zplx no
>>53585356
But now is new 40k, the bright bright future :^)

>>53585374
Probably, yeah. The crazy Servitorks did manage to royally fuck up half a squad of Black Templars, though, so I guess it wasn't an entirely shit idea.

>>53585395
I know, and I hate it. When 30k sounds more grimdaek than 40k, you're doing something wrong.

earlier tonight I reread the prologue of Baneblade, and tried imagining a similar ceremony for a brand new hover raider.

It just doesn't work the same. With the admech demoted to discount Tau, they lose most of their Charme.

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>>53585409
It reminds me of this
>>53585463
Obstacles in 40k appear ficticious now. Forgotten technology, galaxy-wide ruinstorms, being stabbed in the neck by a daemonic-poison blade. It all has a solution now.

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>>53587057
>>53587057
>>53587057
Fell asleep after getting back from the hospital, woke up 9 hours later just in time for baking NEW BREAD!

>>53587079
I was going to make one, but after going to the catalog I got distracted and, long story short, I'm trying to find the The Future is Wild episode that has the land octopi.
Thanks for doing a bread, anon.