EDH/Commander General

New artwork, rules that work without any issues.

What evidence is there for them to be fake?

>>53561762
Commonly echoed sentiment last thread, mostly because people don't want to perpetuate the meme, so it was an easy question to think up.

>>53561791
Its always good to be skeptical.

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>>53561794
Witnessing evolution is a sight to behold.

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>>53561794
Both these need to be in the OP links. It's only fair to new players so they know what they're subscribing to.

Is it possible to make Nekusar into a grouphug drawing machine that can punish one person if they try to go off too hard?

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I have three edh decks right now, and they are Nath discard and elfswarm, Athreos skeleton tribal, and Doran treefolk tribal. I like gravepact effects and disabling/weakening my opponents while I can keep laying shit on the field. What commander should I build next?

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I want Nin to strap me down and tease me until I go insane.

>>53562179
Somebody please, post the Sucy screencap for this man, you know the one.

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>>53561698
>How fake are the HOD spoilers?
Shit I almost wish they were fake.
Samut Planeswalker ZZZZZZ

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I'm serious guys, Raymond Swanland's art is all murky browns and spikes. This new Bolas looks nothing like his stuff.

>>53562233

WE

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what is best thing "out of left field" win you've seen or done in commander.
For me it was using this to change Onmath Locus of Mana from Green mana to blue and watching it turn from a 90/90 to a 1/1

>>53561794
>>53561870
Playing the highly tuned decks is always better than draft chaff
The lowest part on the graph needs to be on the left hand side not the right
Best is 85-90% tuned

>>53562233
This
>Egyptian
>Sub Sahara African
They need to tune the art direction

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-06-17-teysa-orzhov-scion/

Amy advice on this list? Need help since its my first EDH deck

>>53562329
Omnath player was losing and with no cards in hand played an Avenger of Zendikar with Doubling Season out for some blockers. No one could finish without over extending, so we durdled around the table, blew up Doubling Season. Oona was before him. Played a Coat of Arms. Blinked. Read it. Said "Oh."

He won the next turn with 20/20 plants.

>>53562145
Shatter gang brothers

>>53562107
>Make a deck that draws players cards but punishes them for playing them
Needs rule of law

>>53562414
I just need small advice like which cards are bad and if im running too many lands. Also do I have too many mana rocks?

>doing mah nigga Bolas dirty like that
I'd rather just play Karn 2bh
>samut planeswalker
She's somehow even uglier and more useless. 2RG for a shitty damage divide or a double striker? Lame. And I say that because no one is going to let samut get to ult status ever.

>>53562503
I would add a little bit more ramp, a tip is have ~10 cards that ramp and ~10 cards that gets you card advantage.

>>53562503
>>53562503

Without looking I can see that you're running Teysa 1.0, a three mana commander who works great on a low curve, so you should probably be running around 35 lands and 10-15 rocks (10 GOOD ones is ideal). The vast majority if not all of your lands should enter untapped and the majority of your rocks should cost 2 or less, ideally but not necessarily coming in untapped.

And while I'm dishing out generic advice, Thin your paints. I don't know if you paint anything or even own paints, so if you don't maybe go out, buy some paints, and thin them. I think the nascent /tg/ hive mind would be happy with that outcome.

>>53562414
Looks pretty fun. I'd swap the keyrune for another mana rock, unless the blocking/ability to sac it is that important. Maybe the 2 mana rocks if you feel you need it. For lands, I would highly advise finding spots for myriad landscape and ash barrens. They're both great and budget. Otherwise, I'd try to jam some graveyard hate in there. A nihil spellbomb, bojuka bog and nezumi graverobber/angel of finality would go a long way to having outs to graveyard shenanigans.

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How angry will edhg be when damnation will be in standard?

>>53562582
I have ramp through Crypt Ghast and ill cut the Orzhov Guildgate for Cabal Coffers which is technically ramp. Should I be cutting other cards for more rocks?
>>53562625
My ramp in the deck and rocks are as follows
>Sol Ring, Orzhov Signet, Orzhov Keyrune, Gilded Lotus, Ashnods Altar, Phyrexian Altar, and Crypt Ghast

>>53562805
Ring: 1
Signet: 1
Keyrune: 0.5
Lotus: 0.5
Altars: 0.5 each
Ghast: 0.5

Add about 6 more GOOD ramp cards. Fellwar Stone, Thought Vessel, Mind Stone, maybe mana vault or even mana crypt if you're willing to go for a more expensive card, Coldsteel Heart, Marble Diamond, Charcoal Diamond, Prismatic Lens, Magnifying Glass if you're playing a longer game, maybe Worn Powerstone... there are many choices

>>53562974
But what cards do I cut for them? The worst card in the deck is Belfry Spirit so I suppose that

>>53562974
Also my biggest problem in the deck is its so heavy on color requirements that rocks like Sol Ring and Mana Crypt dont do as much as theyd normally do since I really need stuff like BBB or WWBB

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>>53562414

Would benefit from Cataclysm and World Queller in there. Just getting either down is bad news for your opponents but it's a fucking miserable board state to try and play through if it happens together. That and having land destruction in general makes the children cry.

>>53562790
Glad because I can remove languish from my decks

Can someone explain to me why Balance isn't just universally hated, it's straight up banned even in Commander? Is it because of degenerate artifact mana decks intentionally building around it? Falling into MLD strategies? Simply sowing analpocalypse levels of salt among ramp players? Being too cheap for its effect?

I got one recently and I really wish it wasn't banned, though only because I can't come up with an easy way to abuse it to the point of being bannable.

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reposing in a non dead thread.
what is the Cheapest commander i can build and have it be halfway decent.
i have 50$ and my play group keeps bitching that my zada deck is too strong

>>53563450
Zedruu? Most of what you need is in the gay kings precon (about $25 if you look around), then you can just throw in steel golem, bronze bombshell, illusions of grandeur, some "no maximum hand size" effects, and so on.

>>53563474
maybe ill look into it.
he seems interesting
thanks for the suggestion

>>53562233
That Bolas more than makes up for it. The board wipe is also pretty decent.

>>53562577
What's wrong with that Bolas? Looks pretty good to me.

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>>53563450
I spent about $60 bucks building a Jarad deck last week and I like it so far

Also, I have been told UW Daxos is a blast for cheap

>>53563447

Because it makes children cry and that's apparently a no-no in Commander. Though more likely because you just go on artifact power, eat your lands for an effect and then Armageddon and Wrath for two.

>>53563525
that looks cool. got a list?

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>>53563450
reanimators have a good power to cash ratio. BG, BR, BU or any combination are all good options. just put in all your favorite fatties, get them in your grave and reanimate them with good cheap reanimation cards like victimize and dread return and living death

>>53563545
Yeah, you can make the argument that decks built around using it + its low cost make it worse than, say, Ruination. Still kind of sad.

>>53563574
It's a little more expensive than $60 since I already had some of the cards but according to deckstats, it costs $81.65 but I got most of the cards off tcgplayer in heavily played condition

>>53561794
>pauper EDH 3
I rate it 8

>>53563700
>>53563700
oops forgot list http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jarad-lord-of-budget-1/

>>53563631

I would suggest BUG, using green for ramp, blue for critical control and card advantage.

Pack a lot of midrange EtB creatures and use reanimation liberally.

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>>53563724
Sidisi works great for that. Just run a couple cheap zombie lords and enjoy all the free zombie tokens you get for just playing the deck

>>53563719
thanks bro

>>53563450
grenzo could be cool

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>>53563450
you can build him for cheep if you want casual

>>53563447
Because it's Armageddon, Wrath of God and black Myojin for 2 mana.

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>>53563450
You can just sit back and do whatever.

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I wanted to get opinions on my newest idea.

I saw Jorael the other day and thought she would be awesome if she were part white so that she would have access to boardwipes. So I decided to go the secret commander route and put Captain Sisay at the helm so she can be reliably tutored.

The rest of my game plan is basically just running a stupid amount of wipes and ramp. The biggest problem I can see is getting cards in hand to discard, but with that in mind I am thinking mana doubling effects and just using lands for the discard. The only win con currently is a few anthem effects and token makers. I am purposly trying to go creature light, but if I have to add something like Craterhoof thats fine.

I'm just theory crafting at the moment, so all changes and new ideas are welcome. I am even wondering if it would be better to add black so that draw would be easier, and then reanimation could play a bigger role.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/secret-land-destruction/

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I want to add a ton of more cards to my Mazirek deck, but I have no idea what to cut
Cards in Question are
>Hardened Scales
>Winding Constrictor
>Tireless Tracker
>Eldrazi Monument
>Perilous Forays
>Animate Dead
>Phyrexian Plaguelord
>Korozda Guildmage
>Rishkar, Peema Renegade
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/offering-to-the-flies/
It also feels like I have way too few/effective token producers. What should I cut, add or get?

>>53564425
Oh, and Old Ulamog

>>53562107
infect nekusar is that deck, force players to draw if they start getting out of line.

>>53564425
Wave of Vitriol could give your team a ton of counters but it would destroy a lot of your stuff too looks like

>>53562790
Why would I care, I already have mine

>>53562179
What the hell am I looking at? Is this what nin does to people? sauce?

>>53561698
>How fake are the HOD spoilers?
0%

>>53565103
I think that's a little much, anon. I'll consider it in the future though.

Is Ramos Colorless or 5 color identity?

>>53564112
Instead of using her as a way to wipe someone's lands you can use her as a deterrent to wraths. Green can play a bunch of creatures and as long as you're holding up Jolrael and 3 mana no one is going to cast a boardwipe when they know you'll make them lose the game.

>>53561905
So it's fun when I play Razia's Bombardment and wipe the board clean?

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>>53562107
Not really. He punishes all opponents and there isn't much you can do to change that.

>>53565620
He is 5 color. Color identity takes into account all mana symbols and colors on a card, not just their mana cost. Shu Yun is WUR for example.

>>53565669
I thought mana abilities didn't count towards Color Identity?

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>>53565677
All of the mana symbols on the card, except for those in reminder text, count towards the color identity.

Trinisphere has a black mana symbol but the symbol is part of reminder text so Trinisphere is still colorless for its color identity. Blind Obedience is white color identity and Crypt Ghast is black color identity because extort only has the white/black mana symbol in the reminder text.

Shu Yun, Ramos, Thelon, and similar cards are multicolored color identity because of the mana symbols in their text.

>>53565669
I guess that's true.

Now if only I could get the fucking Johnny in my group to stop using off-color fetches.

I don't know why it irritates me, but it seems kinda counterpoint to the idea BEHIND EDH to use off-color fetches.

>>53565727
It's a very tryhard thing to do unless he is using them for landfall or some kind of similar effect. That said, I've done it in decks that benefited from it.

>>53565752
As in he'll play everything that has 'Island' or 'Plains' in his Ojutai deck. He's tryhard as fuck.

>>53565727
Even worse is the new rule that allows you to make mana in colors outside your color identity. So Chromatic Lantern, Darksteel Ingot, etc can be used to make ANY color mana and cast spells that aren't in your general's colors. I took a break from the game and missed the year when that change was made and it really seems bizarre. It only helps fringe cards.

>>53565620
It also takes into account all Color Identifiers that appear on double-faced cards. Elbrus, Binding Blade's identity is Black because of the dot placed next to the Card's supertypes on the transformed side of the card.

>>53565779
It's more intuitive and there wasn't much of a point to have that rule in the first place

Which is better in this Rakdos deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolution-of-rakdos-edh/

Reverberate or Imp's Mischief.

>>53565779
The reason they stopped having the "mana turns colorless" thing going on was because they made cards with colorless mana requirements. While it has to date been only for that set, they can do more at any time, and anus mana is supposed to be harder to come by, so they changed the rules back to how they always should have worked in the first place.

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My meta is a little blue heavy, not so much on counterspells but just general annoyance. I need some anti-blue shenanigans like pic related

>>53566579
Carpet of blossoms
Boil

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>>53566579
It makes people super salty if you drop this when they cantrip at EOT.

>>53565361
Little Witch Academia that scene is out of context and its an average

>>53562790
I wouldn't mind having mine altered with this art

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>>53566564
That makes sense. I didn't think of how the rules really would change and make colorless mana work differently.

Colorless mana worked out pretty well, I hope they bring it back sometimes even if it is an akward combination of artifact and a 6th color. In an artifact deck they feel colorless but in a deck that runs no artifacts they are much more like a 6th color and lead to playing painlands and other cards specifically for the colorless mana ability.

Who'd be a good general for a Living Death type of deck?

>>53566994
Kokusho.

>>53566994
BUG Sidisi, Sedris.

>>53566994
Balthor the Defiled

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>>53561794
I mostly made this just to shit on group hug decks. Go play a single player game if you're not trying to win.

>>53567179
>Lab Man decks aren't well tuned competitive
:^)

>>53567179
>Mono-white
>Fun

Wew, I must live in a backwards world, none are "fun"

what's the hostility level of your group? i received a reminder last game to not present any possible win condition without a way to protect yourself from dying

>>53567533
A large percentage of Magic players are socially incompetent. If you encounter someone who says something that could be interpreted as hostile, there's like a 50% change they were trying to joke around.

That said, there's a dude who occasionally plays at my store that always gets mad over minor things and says shit like "go fuck yourself" if you destroy one of his dudes. I just avoid playing with him or if I get stuck with him, I focus him until one of us is dead.

>>53567533
Infect player gets mad when I focus them out of the game. His whole deck revolves around Marchesa, dethrone and proliferate.

>>Stax deck
>>Fun for anyone other than you
Commander should be fun for everyone at the table anon.
Furiously masturbating while no one else can play the game isn't fun

>>53567179
>Mono-red not at the absolute top of the Fun axis and middle-left of the Power Level axis

Shit graph

>>53567670
It depends if you're playing for anything. If it's just for fun, I kind of agree. Everyone should be aiming for the same power level with their decks. However, I'm sure a lot of groups have stax decks and still have fun because the other decks are built to handle it.

If you're playing for any kind of prizes, anything is fair game and fun is no longer a consideration. Only winning is.

>>53567508
It's around the bottom of "most decks" so I think that might be part of the point

>>53567700
I just wanted to shit on a few archetypes that I don't like.

The only deck I never take apart is my monored Squee deck. I agree that it's the most fun you can have in EDH.

>>53567725
Ah, ok

Why do people get so upset about MLD? I've seen mill decks and decks with 20+ counterspells yet nobody complains about those

>>53567752
When you play a card and it gets countered you and the other guy can go "I see what's going on here. It didn't work, but it would have been cool if it did." When you destroy lands there's never a chance for your opponent to say "Here's what my deck does, you can respond." Instead you're telling him that what his deck does isn't important because he will never get to cast.

>>53567752
Players will tell you that MLD is against the "spirit of the format". They "want to be able to play the game".

These players are really just trying to defend their bad deckbuilding. Why would I make my deck more resilient or run a couple more pieces of interaction when I could just stuff another Praetor in there?

Nevermind that MLD is the best way to deal with some of the absurd ramp that goes on or that it's a great way to seal a victory when you're way ahead.

The same players that complain about MLD are the same ones who think infect should be higher or that Sol Ring should be banned. They're whiners and they're incapable of improving their decks.

>>53567710
Well once you put competition in to the equation then yeah, everyone is going to try to win.
But I still don't see how playing a deck that is solely Stax (not decks with just abit in there for control/safety, I'm talking about "no one else gets to play cards") can be fun in a non competitive environment.
Either 1. You go off, people can't deal with it and you win. No one has fun but you.
2. You get targeted by everyone else when they realize you're playing hard Stax and you lose by turn 3-4. You don't get to have fun.

>>53567794
If it was "against the spirit of the format", they wouldn't have introduced MLD to the game as a whole.

>>53567799
Some players enjoy the challenge of getting out of nearly unwinnable situations. If you can imagine 4 people playing against each other every week for a long time, it would make sense that they would adapt to what the other decks have.

Some groups just enjoy playing no matter what happens in the game. Magic is a social game, after all.

The #1 key to having fun in this format is finding players with similar goals. A super competitive group can still have a lot of fun in a game that ends on turn 4 if those are the kinds of games they enjoy. Fun is subjective.

>>53567826
Yeah, a lot of players treat MLD and a few other things like their actions that you can inflict upon a game instead of options that exist within the game.

Armageddon is a real card. It has existed since day 1. It's not some kind of divine action that you can curse a game with. Any player has the option to use it.

>>53567860
*they're

I'm not retarded, I don't know how that happened

>>53567799
>Stax can't be fun
Literally just your opinion, man.

If I told you I don't think decks with creatures are fun, would you stop running creatures?

>>53567179
>I have no idea about the greater meta in general and want to convey my ineptitude in graph form
Good job

>>53567842
You make some very reasonable points, I'll concede there.

>>53567933
The only one that's 100% correct is the group hug one

>>53567752
If you MLD because you have the game in hand or it somehow prevents another player from winning, I see nothing wrong with it. If you play MLD for shits and giggles then you're a massive faggot also
>complaining about mill decks
Mill is very easy to counteract, especially in EDH

>>53567978
I have no problem with mill or MLD, I just find them both to be slightly annoying

>>53567978
Mill is the worst win condition in the format. It does nothing until you hit the last card and until then, you're probably helping them because so many EDH decks have graveyard strategies or just recursion. A single copy of an Eldrazi also totally negates your entire deck.

>>53562286
WUZ

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itt: cards that should be legendary

>>53568025
Because of deck sizes, mill ends up being one of the mechanics with most variation of power level depending on the format.
It's good in limited, weak in 60 card constructed and atrocious in EDH.

>>53568004
I would rather have MLD over stax or turn 2 infinite mana any day
>>53568025
Any proper mill deck will run LotV, if they don't they shouldn't expect to win often if at all

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>>53568042
this and Blood Tyrant top the list

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>>53568042
Zendikar has a lot of cards that should be Legendary.

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>>53568042

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>>53567794
>>53567826
>mfw reading all this try-hard

>>53567794
>MLD is to deal with ramp
>a great way to seal a victory
Yes

>Sol Ring is alright cause it's in 99% of decks
>why don't you guys improve your bad decks by throwing cash for shit like Crucible of worlds etc
>running a shitton of interaction in the only format I don't have to
No thanks

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>>53568042

>>53565661

It's fun when I have my Izzet deck stacked with infinite draw/damage combos and every counterspell ever printed.

>>53568881
How many lands you've got then? Like 10?

Alright guys, my college playgroup was a lot stronger than my playgroup at home, and as a result the improvements I made to my decks made them crazy pubstompy. I've decided I wanna hold back my competitive nature for a 60 card format and play something more fun in EDH. Now the problem is I still want to have complex decision trees with meaningful decisions. Any suggestions for a general?

>>53567978
The only time MLD is an issue is when its just out of spite because someones about to win the game. I had someone wipe all lands just because they were at 5 life and they died the next turn to a swing, it needlessly extended the game out because we all had to rebuild landbases and there was no way the land wipe was going to prevent him from losing. It was just a spite move to piss everyone off.

>>53569047
What decks did you play in non-edh formats?
Control? Combo? Midrange? Toolbox?
If you want a deck that favors knowledge and good decision making I'd suggestion captain sisay since she's the definition of toolbox and you can tone stuff down by adding in some fun legendaries to pull.

>>53569143
I like artifact-based prison and toolbox for the most part.

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>>53568042

>>53569328
Arcum Dagsson
Sydri
Yisan
Momir Vig
Muzzio
Zur the enchanter
Or literally just pick up the Breya precon, fill it with some artifact tutors and combo pieces and jerk yourself off

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/31-05-17-Oos-deck-paste/

What's the casual level of this deck?

>>53569386
Those are all really fun commanders, but I wanted to avoid a really powerful archetype like Zur, Breya, Arcum or Yisan. I think I'll try to rebuild my Sydri deck, it was the first EDh deck I made. Thanks.

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ITT: Underplayed spice
This guy works wonders in Reanimation decks

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>>53569693
Makes playing around with your graveyard a breeze if you have a dredge guy. Turns evoke guys into nightmares as well. Later on, it makes sticking a dangerous threat or combo piece easy, so long as its a creature.

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/ccg/ is kill. How do these look to y'all?

>>53569885
>When Seath enters the battlfield create a Primordial Crystal token.
>As long as you control a Primordial Crystal token Seath has Indestructible.
Also make The Witch of Izalith flip into Bed of Chaos after you draw some number of cards in a turn or something.

>>53561698
1v1 commander died in my area, we used to be 30+ people every friday and saturday, then WotC came out with their retarded online banlist and now people don't want to play Duel Commander because "What if the (((official))) list gets fixed?" but they won't play with the online rules either because they're objectively shit.

Now the only people I have to play my 100 singleton piles with are a bunch of retards who think any sort of interaction is "against the spirit of EDH".

How do you force weenie hut denizens to level up?

>>53570078
Just play infect Nekusar. Force them into interacting with you.

>>53563450
Freyalise. It's $35 for the precon, +$15-20 for Heritage Druid, Sylvan Library, Wirewood Herald, Wirewood Symbiote, Wirewood Lodge, Gaea's Herald, Beast Within and Nykthos.

>>53569979
I designed them to be a cycle of the lords (plus Seath) in their glory days. Having only the Witch of Izalith be a flip card would break the cycle, and Seath didn't discover the Primordial Crystal until later in his life, when he was on the cusp of madness, so it'd be a flavor fail to have it ETB with him. Plus I just like the Primordial Crystal being its own card. Might redesign it for a different effect though, since exiling it is a flavor fail.

I guess they could all be redesigned as flip cards, but the Pygmy and Nito seem really difficult to design on a flavor level as the former has almost no lore, and the latter doesn't change much at all.

Also I need to find better art for the Pygmy, since it's the only card whose identity doesn't match up with its art.

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Alrighty so quick rundown me and my group are all building decks around the new gods for themes and shits and giggles. I'm running Hazoret and got cards for it but looking for more suggestions. (Krenko is not listed here but I have him and plenty of cards for red-gobbos)

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jenaras-bant-enchantress/

Thoughts/opinions? I only got to play with it twice before being relocated out of country to where there is no Magic scene, both times were very fun victories (Replenishing for 20 cards after getting my board Rifted and wiping everyone in one turn by going off w/ enchantresses) but I still wonder how to make it even better.

>>53570257
Squee

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>>53564039
Fuck outta here, scrub. Oloro was a mistake

>>53570322
Him and Norin in the future

>>53570326
Sulfuric vortex tho

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>>53568355
Cabal Coffers and Valakut not being legendary are two of the biggest mistakes of Magic
Absolutely pants on head retarded

>>53567179
Define "fun"..
>Group HUG
>Not fun nor powerful
Where did You learn to play edh?

>>53567179
>Stax mid on the fun
get your pants off your head, that's only one person having FUN

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>>53570326
I had a Oloro shitter die to this card once and another time to False Cure in response to Beacon of Immortality

>>53569885

Fucking gay. Get to your containment thread.

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>tfw randomly checking listings for cards and finding Newly Listed ones 1/3rd cheaper than usual

I have to imagine the person selling it must be needing the money quick, but I'm happy to oblige.

>>53570257
Worldfire is banned

>>53562145
Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest

>>53562968
Angry Omnath can be very cheap and I've seen him go off pretty well on my table.

>>53570257
I'd run feldon and all the zero cost equipment you can find. Mana rocks out the ass, dump your hand on Hazoret and swing for the fences seems like a good plan.

>>53562267
Yeah, that's probably why they took those damn fake cards out of their official web site.

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>>53571568
>Find a cheap card
>Buy it quickly
>Decide to check out the seller's shop to see if they have anything else cheap
>Seller description says they're a husband and wife that sell "handmade chainmail, scalemail, and crochet"
>Selling a bunch of MtG cards too though
>tfw it's probably the husband selling his collection to help pay the bills while his wife tries to make her knitting a viable income source
>Has a child in the profile pic

RIP that guy. Not going to pass on cheap cards though, hope it works out for them.

If I wanted to make a deck in URW where the goal is to sit back and make other people go at each other, what would be a good way of doing it.
The deck name and commander would be I cant be narset

>>53572662
Isn't that basically Zedruu?

>>53572662
Ruhan+Assault Suit

>>53572759
>>53572785
A narset commander would have been ideal but then this idea was basically made because of a stupid pun, and I'd prolly just do cast overcosted shit for free.dec as a narset deck proper.

>>53572785
Ruhan literally picks fights with random people.

>>53572819
With Assault Suit it's other people picking fights with random people :^)

>>53572819
This is true, you 100% need a way to stop him from swinging at the wrong person as a safety valve, unless you plan on oneshotting someone at random, which isn't very difficult.

Top Tier
Sultai
Grixis
Bant

Fun Tier
Temur
Jund
Abzan
Esper

Shit Tier
Naya
Mardu
Jeskai

Prove me wrong, protip, you can't.

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>>53561794
>>53561905
>>53561870
I'll keep posting this every thread I get
Dualcasting eternal Dominion around 4-9 times.
why is this janky combo so orgasmic?

>>53572950
>anything with blue in shit tier
Other than that you are correct.

>>53572950
>anything fun about Abzan or Esper
>Jeskai not in it's own separate tryhard tier
>naya not in fun tier
>jund not in shit tier with a "prosh exception"
>Temur not top tier

Well, you listed all the tricolours.

>>53572868
Maze of Ith/Reconnaissance, Homeward Path, and Assault Suit.

Add Grafted Exoskeleton to the Assault Suit plan and watch your opponents play Russian Roulette (Ruhan Roulette?).

Use spells to modify how blocking can/does occur.

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>think of a new deck
>make a deck list on tappedout
>order cards from list
>cards arrive in the mail
>"wait, where is the commander?"
>realize that I only ordered cards for the 99 and completely forgot the commander

>>53573209
just say its oloro and collect your 2 life per turn, dont even need to put him on the board

>>53573209
Which commander?

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>>53573268

Can someone help me to come up with a snow themed deck? I just want a playable deck with snow cards.

>>53573304
oloro seems like a perfect replacement to me

>>53572950
in multiplayer?
excluding the top tier lists grixis does not beat out esper ever. period.

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>>53573309

>>53573429
I own him and checked my collection cause I have opened tons of coldsnap and I also found Arcum.

Is Arcum a good EDH general? Sorry totally new to this format.

>>53573538
>Is Arcum a good EDH general?
insanely

>>53573538
Yes. You can build powerful artifact and combo decks with him.
https://edhrec.com/commanders/arcum-dagsson

>>53573538
>>53573309
Arcum is "Answer me before I untap or die" level artifact combo. Of course, he's fairly easy to answer and does need some setup, but you can still go ape really easily with tutoring like that

For snow, Heidar would be ideal if only he were tricolor. As it stands there just aren't enough good snow cards in monoblue to justify him, even if he'd be hilarious brought online. You'd probably be better off running him in the 99 of some chucklefuck who's just there to flag down colors. Maybe Merieke Ri Berit, since they both benefit from mass untapping? Or you could take Thrasios+Whatever partners and get some combination of Heidar, Into the North, Cover of Winter, Skred, and... I've always felt like black has good snow support but now that I try to name it I'm not so sure. Ah, Viscerid Drone -- technically a blue card but needs swamps to work.

>>53573538
Arcum is Consistent Artifact Combo/Stax. Stax with Orb effects while using rocks for mana, or sacrificing them to Arcum's effect during your opponent's end step. Combo with either Staff of Domination+Infinite mana (Power Artifact+Grim Monolith) or Citanul Flute+ Paradox Engine+Rocks.

>>53569885
Where did you make those? Can you make planeswalkers on tbat site too?

>>53567752
Because for every one time it ends a game quickly there is an additional time that it is cast out of spite, shits and giggles, or because it is the only play someone has and it proceeds to drag out. I have no issue with it but short of an ethics agreement you get games that are less than enjoyable.

>>53573018
>anything fun about Abzan or Esper
>he's never Sydri Soul Succ'd
>he's never Ghave Combo Outta Nowhere

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>>53573757
Look up Magic Set Editor.

>>53573851
>Ghave Combo Outta Nowhere

Ghave isn't combo out of nowhere.
Ghave is combo out of everywhere.
There are so many cards Ghave combos with, you'd have to be actively avoiding them to not end up comboing most games.

>>53573851
>>he's never Ghave Combo Outta Nowhere
literally "Accidentally Infinite: The Commander", not hard to do, not enjoyable and certainly not a measure of skill.

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>>53573309
Snow doesn't work as a theme unless your playgroup allows you to houserule pic related as your commander. Even then it's pretty casual.

>>53564425
Bump
>>53565127
>it would destroy a lot of your stuff too looks like
Yeah, it seems a little bit too "all in" with my amount of artifacts.
Anyone have experience with Dread Return or Archfiend of Depravity with Mazirek?

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I'm playing Rafiq combat damage triggers casual deck, is pic related worth including? Similar cards I run is at least cold-eye selkie, is there anything similar that counts the damage done?

>>53574096
Crosstown Courier
Diviner Spirit
Empyreal Voyager
Hunter's Insight
Hunter's Prowess
Living Hive
Pollenbright Wings
Undead Alchemist

Of the options available, you've already picked the good ones. Living Hive could be neat, but doesn't mesh well with the Exalted theme.

>>53573993
>not hard to do
Never said it was.
>not enjoyable
Comboing off is the only thing I enjoy.
>certainly not a measure of skill
Okay. What is?

>>53574267
>Living Hive could be neat, but doesn't mesh well with the Exalted theme
It does if he has an Sublime Archangel out because of all the extra buffs.

>>53574276
>Comboing off is the only thing I enjoy.
congratulations on being boring as fuck

>>53574276
>>Comboing off is the only thing I enjoy.

gross dude

at least combo in true EDH style, like malignus + xenagos + chandra's ignition

>>53574414
>combo in true EDH style
>gruul
"no"

>>53574384
Better than a seven hour long slugfest.

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>>53561698

>>53574462
You're playing the wrong format then.

>>53574477
>entire history of magic cards open
>"You're not allowed to play anything."

>>53574441
>says combo is the only thing he enjoys
>doesn't combo in every color combination
poseur

looking for tweaks for my Uril build. Budget and mainly for shits and giggles, I know this won't win but I want to have fun with it

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-06-17-uril-voltron/

thanks!

>>53574604
>you're not allowed to play anything
baby's first strawman?

>>53574606
Not the same guy, just got a disdain for gruul-tards.

>>53574604
>entire history of magic cards open
you have eternal formats for that desu

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I never realized until now that this dude was legendary.
Have you ever seen someone using him?

>>53574606
I'm the combofag. I play Gruul Wort.

>>53574658
He's probably the most common commander for Vampire tribal.

>>53574658
Yeah, they said it was their old Braids deck but with him at the helm. Solid deck, though
>Stax

>>53574658
>Have you ever seen someone using him
the professor has a list, so if you want to know what an untuned version looks like just check out his channel

>>53574462
>combo fags actually believe this

>>53574681
after Olivia

>>53574658
22 LANDS LMAO

>>53574462
EDH players that complain about battlecruiser magic are legitimately playing the wrong format.

>>53574681
Both Olivias are more popular.

I bought one of all the c16 decks in Japanese from a walmart a while ago
are these things actually going to worth anything or should I just play with them now?

>>53574808
Sell Atraxa to a weeb for 50 dollars.

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>>53574462
>>53574477
are you not good enough for legacy or what

>>53574808
atraxa deck is worth a billion dollars now, and i'd imagine it being in japanese only helps (because atraxa players are all autists)

the other decks aren't that valuable anymore though, maybe the breya one

Is Geist of Saint Traft just a white blue goodstuff control deck always?

>>53574923
can't imagine why you'd want to run him in normal EDH, he's just a big goofy beater except he can't do commander damage with the angel

i bet he's sick in duel commander though

>>53574945
He's a real powerhouse in tiny leaders

I have a half built Nath of the Gilt-Leaf deck.

Basically it's just lands and staples, but the bulk of what the deck should actually do isn't established yet.

Should I go elf tribal or should I go discard + big mean green and/or black creatures?

>the creatures that would make the coolest Izzet generals aren't legendary
what did WotC mean by this?

Cards like Birthing Pod? Anything that can sac creatures to tutor/play other creatures

I've already got Birthing Pod, Evolutionary Leap, Jalira, Eldritch Evolution, and Altar of Bone

>>53575216
Red is so bad not even blue can save it.

>>53575216
Just houserule them as commanders

>>53575260
Survival of the Fittest, Natural Order, Greater Good is drawing but still bretty great.

>>53575270
but mono-red has some of the most fun edh decks

>>53575321
Natural Order is a little expensive (2GG) for what it does, but it might find its way in. Survival of the Fittest is about discards and I'm more looking for sac outlets, and Greater Good is $15 ;~;

>>53575260
Diabolic Intent

>>53575260
sidisi

>>53575260
Fleshwrither

>>53575260
Deathrender lets you put a creature from your hand into play, but you will need your own sac outlet. On the upside, its an equipment and can be used several times

Pattern of Rebirth is similar, but searches from library and is an enchantment.

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>>53568042
Imagine what could've been.

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>>53568042
He does a lot of work in my Rith deck.

But I think he could do a bunch in his own too

>>53575520
that entire cycle would make great commanders. shame.

>>53569334
Dear Lord no!

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>>53575520
>>53575565

Every time I look at Shaman of the Great Hunt I curse Wizard's R&D with all of my spite

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>>53568042
>TFW u will never get a decent knight commander
I've given up hope for c17

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>>53575653
>never got a decent knight commander

Nigga...

>>53574604
I personally don't care what format you play just saying that playing EDH and not wanting seven hour slug fests is like playing legacy and expecting no one to run FoW. You might find metas that fit the billing but by and large you need to make peace with the fact that you may need to redefine your expectations or try another format.

>>53575711

Pretty certain he meant a commander for knight TRIBAL, not just a commander who is a knight

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>>53575653

>>53575759
>>53575711
Because these guys benifit Knight tribal right?
Fuck one of them isn't even in white

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>>53575794
Nobody said tribal until afterwards. Calm down you sperg.

>>53575841
desu it's pretty implicit he meant tribal

>>53575841
>Decent Knight Commander
>Posts a picture of a Lord
Why the hell would I care what the creature type is outside of tribal?

>>53575863
Obviously not if this conversation is happening, friendo.

>>53575896
this conversation is only happening because you're literally autistic

>>53575896
Only because we are on tg fucking Bryan poster

>>53575520
Awesomeness, but not quite as awesome as if Tamanoa had been legendary.

>>53567752
>Why do people get so upset about MLD?
It's a meme. There's nothing worse about MLD than about hard stax.

>>53575937
>>53575946
>defending a shittily-supported tribe this hard in the first place

And I'm the autist. I bet you all like gorgons and sphinxes, too.

>>53575998
what do you have against sphinxes?
we have over 40 of them atm, a lot of them arent terrible and they are a cool looking tribe. in my personal playgroup at least 3/8 people have tried to build it already.

>>53575947
Such missed opportunities.

>>53576092

>>53575947
>Tamanoa
do people really like that effect that much? or was she part of the story?

>>53576080
>tried

And why did they fail? Just saying, I haven't seen any Sphinx cards that do anything to their kin.

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>>53568042

>>53576143
>And why did they fail?
I'd have to ask them.
Never really played against them but whenever my friend brings out his arjun deck the table usually spergs out about how awesome sphinx tribal would be if they just got some support.
people like the sphinxes

>>53576112
there are lore reasons for her to be legendary but mostly it's just people wanting to play with her effect.

>>53575947
It's very similar to Soulfire Grand Master, but specific to instants and sorceries. It also has the added benefit out being able to recur those spells to use again.

>>53576178
Sphinxes are actually pretty alright..
I have a friend that's nuts for them too, but everything he tries to make usually ends up boiling back down to esper control.

>>53576156
It would make a shit Commander tho', how many decent colorless mana dorks there is?

>>53576360
urborg all your lands into swamps
bell them into creatures
tap 2 for your commander

yeah seems shit

>>53575947
>Tamanoa
>"T3 Aetherflux reservoir I win"

>>53576112
>do people really like that effect that much? or was she part of the story?
Both. Tamanoa is the incarnation of Freyalise's Worldspell that ended the Ice Age, so it could easily have been Legendary since that was a one-off event.

And the effect is incredible with the tools in the colors. I'm not even going to address Aetherflux Reservoir that would of course go stupid with a Commander Tamanoa. No, just consider what happens with Manabarbs, Overabundance, Spellshock, Ankh of Mishra -- basically every "I'll hurt you if you do that" card in existence. Symmetrical? So much the better. Add a few on-life-gain triggers like Searing Meditation, Archangel of Thune, or Well of Lost Dreams? It's a recipe for crazy fun. Not super-competitive, but fun.

>>53575260
>>53575321
>>53575384
>>53575386
>>53575484
>>53575500
>>53575513
im not in black

>>53576459
And still it's just a 5/6 with no evasion. Unless you can loop something Greater Good-like that benefits from his size. But you don't even have access to Warstorm Surge or Pandemonium.

>>53576459
>next turn wrath of god
>shieeeeet

>>53576460
>I gained 11 life, ramped, and played my commander for CDE in the first two turns. Now I shall win!
>Bolt in response?
>... Good game.

Hyperbole doesn't help you. It's a hilariously stupid combination, but if you can win t3 with that you deserve it.

>>53576520
so add black

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>>53576360
approximately 17
I just want a deck that looks like a random location on the surface of mirrodin pre-phyrexia, swarming with myr just living their lives turning metal into more myr
I'm the worst kind of vorthos

>>53576551
I've been playing EDH for almost 2 years and I don't think I've seen an actual bolt played in the format.

>>53576551
Tamanoa has 4 toughness though

>>53576551
>bolt
>in EDH

>>53576592
alright, listen here nerd
bolt is AWESOME in edh
a lot of the best commanders have less than 3 toughness put it in every red deck you have for a test and watch how much weight it carries
u fuck

>>53576587
He meants to the dome. But you rarely see Bolt played in EDH anyway.

>>53576570
I think Myr Battlesphere would be more fitting as your commander both flavourly and mechanically

>>53576587
You hit the player before the activated ability for damage from Aetherflux resolves and gains them life. Or if you weren't the target, I guess you can hit them in response to the gain trigger since it's not Lifelink "Also causes you to gain" rather than saving your other opponent.

Insert instant burn of choice, faggots. Bolt is iconic, but a lot of red decks will pack something, and we're clearly in magical christmasland.

>>53576618
>a lot of the best commanders have less than 3 toughness
Tazri, Zur, Prossh, wait what about Narse- oh wait... Oh yeah it kills Derevi and Selvala for a turn, great.

>>53576618
Namefags go away. Your opinion is bad and Bolt really won't be doing much. Any good commander with less than 3 toughness can be cast again really easily. That burn spell is too low impact for EDH.

I've really liked Samut in the stories, I've been trying to ignore the ignorant faggotry, but even I can't deny that as a walker, she's one of the least playable ones ever printed. There's no way her effects can be that small, yet costed at 4. That's miserable.

>>53576725
>I've really liked Samut in the stories
what did she even do?

>>53576618
Forget the dream of offing a commander, red should generally run a couple burn spells to spot remove irritating utility critters, and Bolt is one of the best and most versatile since it's instant, more damage than anything else that casts for pocket change, and can go to the dome to snipe some counters off a Planeswalker, at least. It's outclassed by Path/Swords but has its place alongside most other colors of spot removal.

>>53576738
She's a dissenter who's been exploring the ancient wasteland parts of her world, and even went outside the Hekma once, and found all these olds hieroglyphs naming Bolas the "Trespasser". It shook her and now she's facing a lovecraftian reality in an Egypt setting. She even went to some of the gods and tried to beg them to remember the truth, never quite working. I actually think Samut is bomb and I like her legend card a lot. But it's true, her walker is practically unusable. It'll never be worth playing.

>>53576738
>what did she even do?
She told the Gatewatch to shut the fuck up and do her fucking sidequest with enough authority to get them to stop bitching each other out for five seconds?

She displayed something approximating actual human emotions rather than babbling about leylines like some goddamned magical stoner?

Samut's not a great character or even really a good one but the bar is very low right now.

>>53576634
Even if you hit Tamanoa in response, her player still picks off an opponent. Better hope it's not you, and in the next game Tamanoa will be prepared for your bolt anyway.

>>53576776
>It'll never be worth playing.
It's Tooth & Nail #2 for anything that runs Doubling Season. I'd give it some marginal utility at that.

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>He reads Magic The Gathering novels

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>>53561698
Which female commander has the lewdest art?

>>53576849
Gwendlyn.

>>53576849
phage

>>53576791
>Even if you hit Tamanoa in response, her player still picks off an opponent.
When a player loses, all their shit on the stack goes away.

I think the point was that claiming Tamanoa/Aetherflux would go of on turn 3 is pretty out there.

>>53576638
I would agree with you
but I hate myr battlesphere

>>53576905
>claiming Tamanoa/Aetherflux would go of on turn 3 is pretty out there.
>a person needs to have an instant speed bolt on hand, a card already uncommon to see in EDH in the first place, and free red mana to cast it, all on turn 3

>>53576559
but i dont want to switch commanders

>>53569885
wrong thread.

Also most of those are prohibitively expensive when looking at CMC cost and activated abilities cost.

>>53575384
>Natural Order is a little expensive (2GG) for what it does
>4 mana pull your wincon out of your ass
>expensive
Wut

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this is my upgate to my stax brago deck
is there any really good shit im missing?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/662575#paper

>>53577125
What green creatures are really a win con?

>>53577284
By themselves, I mean

>>53577284
Craterhoof

>>53577284
Avenger of Zendikar
Kamahl
Decimator of the Provinces
Literally any Eldrazi

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>>53577228
you NEED reality acid

>>53577373
>Avenger of Zendikar
Needs lands to get pumped
>Kamahl
Needs tons of mana
>Decimator of the Provinces
Not green and is a worse Craterhoof
>Eldrazi
Not green

Vorinclex has a more immediate impact out of any of the green creatures mentioned and doesn't even need a combo

>>53577404
>Avenger of Zendikar
>Needs lands to get pumped
If you don't have any lands to pump AoZ, then you've got bigger issues.

>>53577404
mb I didn't read the original post on Natural Order
But at least for avenger of zendikar
>Running a green deck that doesn't have any ramp spells
Avenger literally wins the game if you play 1+ lands.

>>53577462
I'm not saying that it isn't a powerful play, I'm saying that he takes way too long to win you the game >on his own<, especially so if you cheat him into play early, since you get too few tokens out of him. The tokens are great to abuse with buff spells, with lands you only get a decent value if you either drop Avenger really late or of you drop 5+ lands before they get wiped by a stray Damnation or something.
>>53577490
Unless somebody wraths/rifts by the time you get to killing range, which is hardly an uncommon occurence.

>>53574267
>>53574342
I already cut a few token cards, since they really synergize with my game plan, although I do run Sublime Archangel. I just find hard to justify running them for the one card, since I don't run many tutors, so far only ones being Stonehewer Giant, Sovereigns of Lost Alara and Wargate.

>>53562233
That Pose Samut has is also the dumbest thing in the world. She looks like she's never handled a blade before.

>>53577709
That's weird, since I'm sure the wizards artists are really good at handling men's blades

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Making a spirit/wrath/spirit tribal deck because fuck commanders with hexproof:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/23-04-17-spirit-edh/
Feel like my cmc is too high, any suggestions?

Ask a guy who got fired for liking magic cards anything.

>>53578380
Will you do a Story time for the thread?

>>53578396
Sure but I think this thread is close to bump limit so I will scar it for later tonight.

>>53578380
is it because those Magick cards and the Dungeons of Dragons are used for devil worship, anon?

>>53578750
dont forget to chop off your dick just like alesha!

>>53578836
Wouldn't the people who think Magic is Satan's Poker be against that kind of thing?

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>>53576520
Pattern of Rebirth is in Green

>>53578903
thats what im saying
im not convinced they are wrong

Somebody please make a new thread. I wan to hear this story >>53578416

>>53578750
It was a childish pursuit that employees should not participate in.

>>53579419
this
remember who pays your bills :^)

>>53579419
That's fucking retarded, I wonder what sorts of "childish pursuits" everyone else was involved in?

>>53562145
Sheoldred.
It's funny getting sheoldred to stick, then dropping a winter orb after they tap out

>>53578750
Is it true that in America christian parents throw away their children's magic cards, because the game is about witchcraft and black magic?

>>53579582
Like maybe in the 90s, when people were going on an anti Pokémon crusade because of the concept of evolution

>>53579466
I played D&D with the boss's buddy on the weekends too.

He probably had no idea that we did that.

>>53579582
I'm sure it has happened, yes.
I ended up in a discussion with a very religious person about Magic a while back last year, because they had a child who was interested in it and they reacted with "Isn't that game all about summoning monsters and demons?", so I ended up showing them Baneslayer Angel and amazingly it actually changed their opinion quite a bit. They had been very trepidatious about allowing their kid to play, to the point of forbidding it prior to that conversation.

>>53579582
Yes there are some Christian parents that are completely retarded about it.

My father and mother and law are evangelicals, but they happily give me magic products for the holidays.