Grey Knights 8th edition

Well in the resent leak of the csm codex we saw a points drop in most psykers, exampel ahriman dropped to 131 points, exalted sorcer sat at 86 points (without wargear). Maybe we will see a points drop for our psyker brothers

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>>53562214
Same poster
Picture reference

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>>53561598
I think it's an improvement overall. Mishap free DS, force weapons having a use against all units at all times and not just infantry and creatures plus no longer being deniable, every single psyker being able to attempt a (admittedly neutered) smite, 2 wound termis and 3 wound paladins, Storm bolters being essentially four shots assuming you're DSing in, draigo granting re-rolls on all misses to units in 6", less of a penalty for moving and shooting with purgation squads, massive buff to the "purge soul" equivalent power, etc. I for one am greatly looking forward to it.

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>>53562328
Hammerhand is better, gate of infinity is better, more stuff as it comes to mind. Also, here are the point values.

>>53561598
Improvement over all the basis but upgrades feel subpar specially ranged weapons, to expensive and small benefit over the improved storm bolter

>>53562394
I have to know how it may be better compared to the old +2 str

>>53562828
always better with the new wound tables +2 str is only better for t3 while the new power is better for t7+

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>>53562911
That... makes sense.

Halberds or Swords?
Does it really even matter in most cases?

dead army
pack it up boys, 8e isn't for you
maybe next time around

>>53562328
What is with that paint scheme?

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>>53565790
A E S T H E T I C

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>>53565675
Halberds and HH for maximum stomping.
Swords and GoI for maximum kek.

>>53561598
Played my first game of 8th edition as them against some deathgaurd. I lost 2 models in the whole game. Their gun line is incredibly strong with paladins draigo and psilencers. Even charged a hammer interceptor squad into typhus for the kill. They are much more effective in 8th than they where in 7th. Giving all units a sactic power of your choice is nuts. Stormbolters are crazy with the draigo rerolls, same goes for venerable dreadnought shooting.

>>53569486
EC loyalists?

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>>53562328
what the fuck
what the FFFUCK

>>53569883
Can you share your list anon?

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They're pretty good. I played a 2k game of them v Marines, and they feel like how you want the line of shimmering steel to feel.

Big takeaways:
>swords kick arse, halberds are okay but the extra AP is better than +1S imo
>hammers are monsters, a squad of termies with them is certifiable rape
>mindbullet phase is bueno, clumping guys together to smite away whole chunks of mean units is awesome
>shooting is meh, but incinerator and psycannon (while expensive) are cool
>FEAR THE MIGHTY DREADKNIGHT

I just ran a grand master, 5 Paladins (actually useful), 2 termie squads, 2 interceptor squads, 2 dreadknights and a pair of purgations.

Yet to play against daemons but I can tell they're going to be extra-special good at gibbing princes and the like

>>53572610
Oh and an apothecary, they work really well with W3 termies. It takes an army of fire to keep guys down

>>53565675
on pagk? always falchions since it doubles their attacks

on term and palas? debatable, +1s helps with t4,5,8 which appear to be abundant

>>53572630
This seemed like the tastiest thing to me.

Apothecary that has pseudo reanimation protocols in an army of terminators...

>>53572712
wew lad
finally a reason to build an apothecary. The main problem is: I will have three paladins lying around after I build an ancient and an apothecary. Maybe I could make a captain out of the remaining models? Instead of going for old resin models

>>53572712
Oh yeah. Especially when in cover, GK are unstoppable. Teleport in behind a rock T1 and enjoy the 1+ save. Nothing short of a lascannon can hurt you

>>53572728
Nah mate, build a squad. They're actually worth taking now, a squad of five with 2 psycannons is like 299 points whereas a Reggo termie one is like 250. 50 points for an extra attack, wound, and sarge hitting on 2+ is so damn worth it.

>>53572760
Did the "always fail on the roll of a one" dissapear?
Are 1+ autopass saves actually possible now?

>>53572630
>>53572712
>>53572728
>Apothecaries
If I buy another Termie box, i'll have enough bits for 4 Paladin Apothecaries and can still throw in an Ancient. How many should I go for?

Also, can someone explain to me the point of terminators now? They seem way to expensive for their actual capabilities, especially when you can use the completely superior paladins instead for just 40-50 points more like >>53572760 said? I mean, they have +1 wound, +1 attack, a better sergeant, more flexible unit sizes, can take 2 heavy weapons per 5 man unit, synergize better with apothecaries due to 3 wounds being healed by d3, AND their biggest weakness, instant death, is no longer in the game.

>>53572853
No, a 1 still always fails

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>>53561598
No psybolt, no pskotrope grenades, no rad grenades, no fun

>>53572260
Draigo, 5 paladins with hammers and 2 psilencers, 10 man strike squad 2 psilencers, 5 man interceptor squad with hammers, venerable dreadnought with twin auto cannon and assault cannon, a paladin ancient with psilencer, apothecary. This is roughly what my list was, hard to remember completely because I had it on a piece of paper I threw away since battlescribe isn't up yet. Psycannons are garbo imo.

>>53574543
They kinda are. Only 4 shots with D1 AP-1, it's pretty trashy.

>>53574543
and psi lancers are good. don't they have an even lower str and - AP ?

>>53574763
6 shots and d3 wounds though, also only 4 points for normal dudes. 10 on termies.

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Can we play with Brotherhood Champions already? They are prob the coolest concept in the whole codex.

Picked up a 10 man PAGK kit and I'm at a loss on what to kit it out as. Here's what I have so far:

> Kaldor Draigo
> Librarian
> 15 PAGK: 4 Immolators, 2 Hammers
> 11 Terminators; 5 Halberds (1 with Psycannon), 4 Swords (1 with psycannon), 2 Hammers
> 5 Interceptors: 1 Immolator, 1 Halberd
> 2 Dreadknights: 1 Sword + Psycannon, 1 Magnetized

I want to say there's room there for a purgation squad with Psilencers, but I just don't know if I trust Psilencers yet. Any other recommendations?

>>53561598
My GW manager said they are beasts. I'm excited to go up against them.