Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

What's the baby with the meltabomb for? I got it in the Devestator kit.

Reminder that blood angels lost melta guns on their assault squads

Rules question that was unresolved in the last thread: Do chaos daemon units that are summoned have to be included in the initial battleforged list? Some people seem to think so, but I can't find any rules justification for it.

>>53558771
Read. Its a armorium cherub

>>53558771
armorium cherub. it is just for representing the wargear. it doesn't count as a model.

it is also a great conversion piece. like teleport homers etc.

Reminder that leman russes in obscured cover are pretty good bunkers for their cost

Also scout sentinels are ok

Dark Eldar are finally great. Where's the catch?

>>53558776
>Reminder that blood angels lost the ability to take raptors

Ftfy

>>53558771
>>53558771
Armory cherub, doesn't need to be modeled on but you can put it on a separate base to remind you that you have it.

>>53558762
He is around 415pts, i think.

As for killing, his smite does 7 mortal wounds 40% of time, so he could kill two half of the time.

However, real issue is his mobility. I don't think that you will have easy time focusing him.

>>53558791

You only have to pay the points for them, you don't actually have to decide what to summon until you do it

>>53558791
No, the points for them have to be set aside but you don't have to decide what you actually spend those points on until you summon them. That's the benefit of summoning, is tailoring your list to the situation on the fly.

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>>53558755

What are Tau players going to do with all their Riptides?

>>53558800
They're the new "WAAC" faction and people will turn down games with you if you bring them.

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So I really wanted to fit in a 10 man squad of Mandrakes, but i can't think of anything to drop
Dammit GW
>HQ
Archon: Agoniser, Blast Pistol - 68
4x Sslyth - 176
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Troops
5x Warriors: Blaster - 50
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]
5x Warriors: Blaster - 50
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Elites
5x Trueborn: 2x Dark Lances, 2x Blasters - 125
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]
5x Trueborn: 2x Dark Lances, 2x Blasters - 125
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Fast Attack
5x Scourges: Power Lance, 4x Heat Lances - 174
5x Scourges: 4x Dark Lances - 150
6x Reavers: Agoniser, 2x Heat Lances, 2x Caltrops - 244

>Heavy Support
3x Talos: 6x Scapels, 6x Heat Lances - 363
Total: 2000/2000 points

>>53558814
>>53558817
You don't even have to pay the points for it. Summoning still effectively increases your point cap.

So can i mix imperium units in detachment or no? Cause my inquisitor needs some vehicles

>>53558822
I don't know but I hope it involves crying

>>53558800
They go the way of Bretonnia and the Tomb Kings.

>>53558827
Not even true.

>>53558800
The catch is that once you start getting Codex updates you're probably going to get Haemonculus Covens, Wych Cults and Kabalite Raiders all as separate books.

>Fallen Champion may replace his bolter and/or pistol with 1 item from the Champions equipment list
So can I just replace his pistol for another bolter for some dual bolter action?

So

How ARE orks. Have we figured it out yet?

>>53558822
What even is their statline?

>>53558832
>You don't even have to pay the points for it.
Yes you do, read the fucking rulebook.

>>53558850
Yep, a unit can fire all it's weapons in the same phase but remember it has to be modeled on!

>>53558850
If that is on the champion equipment list, yes.

>>53558755
Hi, I'm new.

>>53558822
nothing because normal tau dont have any to begin with, it's only the FoM WAACfags who have boatloads and now they're racing each other to buy carnifex

>>53558863
They're mediocre. Hopefully their codex makes them ace.

>>53558867
I am, and I don't see anything that supports your justification.

>>53558822
Still bring them if they're the type of player who actually painted them and cares about the faction and isn't just a WAACfag manchild, because they mrely got toned down from openly fucking overpowered to reasonable and still good?

The faggots with like 4 half-assembled grey plastic ones can burn them.

>>53558863
People got the books early and are playing test games.

DE, Eldar and Nids are top tier.
Orks and daemons and bottom tier.

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>>53558832

Ur dumb

>>53558822
Those riptides have paint on them. I don't understand, I thought that was impossible.

Can I play FW units in a normal game of 40k? Not talking about alternative models, but specifically FW only units

>>53558881
Lol, do they actually think Carnifex spam will be good?

>>53558835
yes, as long as they share a tag they can be allied
>tfw finally have a reason to buy sentinels

>>53558886
>>53558886
Read it again with a friend who actually knows what words means to fucking dunce.

>>53558897
Thanks buddy!

>>53558900
It's a special paint conceived by NASA, CIA and Bob Ross. A special formula prevents the paint from flowing right off the miniature.

>>53558881
>and now they're racing each other to buy carnifex
Jokes on them, Carnifexes are mediocre.

I can't wait for the first time I play some bandwagonning ex-Taufag in a nid mirror and crush him because he has no idea how the faction plays and doesn't realize they don't have any auto-win units like Riptides.

>>53558835

Yep and he and his acolytes can ride in ANY imperial transport

>>53558901

Yes although we don't know their 8th edition stats yet

>>53558892
I've been at the office all week and haven't gotten to go over the leaks. What changed that made Deldar so Good? I play them and irks and I want to know what to avoid taking so I can keep slumming it in shitsville. Been here since 5th and don't feel like leaving.

>>53558871
>>53558875
Oh baby

>>53558822

Replace them with SS's I guess?

>>53558904
I don't know, do you think MCs with the same statline as a dreadnought but can be fielded for like 90 pts vs a dread being 140 is good?

>>53558494
They have a Movement stat of 7" which is good, 2 attacks per model, come with a free Alluress now who still has the 3 attacks base, maximum 30 models per unit, Quicksilver Grace is arguably an improvement over high initiative though in low points games it will probably be less useful.
With 20+ models in a unit each model gets 1 extra attack, so with the max number of units your attacks should be 91 made at 3+ WS 3 S -1 AP and dealing 1 damage, but any 6+ to wound rolls increase that AP to -4.
Also daemonic icons are cool, gotta pay points for it but daemons can still flicker back onto the battlefield during a morale test.
All in all, looking good.
>>53558507
Oh yeah the heavy weapons thing is gone, I was stating it mostly for the glorious blastmaster out of sheer habit but honestly you can afford to shoot it at -1 to BS
>>53558568
good

>>53558930
Oh cool! And it is legal right? I'll just have to buy the FW book whenever it comes out, right?

So does anybody else feel like using the Cityfight rules by default? Even if you aren't using a table that's densely packed with ruins, the rules just seem nice overall. Units get extra movement when they're in the open and not going through terrain, ruins have a way to give better armor bonuses than other terrain, grenades are good for clearing out units in cover, and there's a lot of interesting Strategems that both players could make use of to help deploy their army or fortify a position in different ways.

>>53558892
What's up with daemons? The tzeentch stuff taking a hit?

>>53558901
Currently no, but there's apparently 8th edition rules coming for every FW model, they said by the game's launch.

More generally, it depends on your local club/store. Some places don't accept FW stuff. Weirdly, this includes some redshirts who won't have FW stuff in their stores.

>>53558951

Yeah forgeworld armies are completely legal

>>53558923
>Jokes on them, Carnifexes are mediocre.
Shhh, don't tell them. I snatched up like a dozen on the cheap from the Deathstorm starter set a couple years back when they were shit and now I can sell them for triple the price to netlisting WAAC retards before the meta stabilizes.

>>53558871
were does it say that?

>>53558960
Daemons are still legit, but summoning lost a lot of its brokenness. It's mostly useful as a way to unreliably deep strike mediocre units.

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How many points has the Death Guard half of starter set? I'm thinking about mixing them with nurgle daemons Start Collecting which has something around 450 pts

>>53558960
Summoning costs points, and psychic powers were way toned down.

Tzeentch Daemons are on suicide watch, other gods are doing just fine. I hear Khornates are actually pretty happy.

>>53558930
Any? Well, time for some corvus darkstar acolytes

How does /40kg/ feel about recasts? I'm considering getting back into the game with 7th and I think I might just order a 100% recast csm army.

>>53558960
Daemons lost summoning and in exchange got a lot of buffs while receiving point reductions in some cases. Very little in their section of the chaos codex isn't at least usable

>>53558960
They got screwed over by changes to psychic phase. They only have access to a total of 3 powers + Smite now, and Psychic Focus means you can't use any non-Smite power more than once a turn, so you quickly get to the point that your psykers are just Smite-dispensers. No universal deepstrike either, replaced by the new summoning rules. Pinks got pretty heavily nerfed, due to now being awful casters and blues/brims costing points and not having a ranged attack.

>>53558964

This is more urban legend than truth especially in the last few years

>>53558923
I haven't looked at the new codex are my gun lines and hammerheads good now?

Quick question from a retard here. If I were to try my hand at a Gabriel Angelos model, what would be the best way to go about it?

Would it be a good idea to buy some tartaros termies then a captain for the commander bits? Would the captain boxes have a thunderhammer? Havent played since 5th so Im not familiar with what boxes contain these days.

>>53558977
A unit can fire either all of its nonpistol weapons, or all of its pistol weapons.

>>53558999
About 950 points on each side.

>>53558892
>>53558827
>>53558800

Whats changed about them? I have some friends that play DE, whats new for them?

>>53558940
pfffffft oh god you're one of them

>>53558973
is this a new rule? cause some of those things are nowere near balanced

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So. How is it. What does it do in 8th?

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>>53558977
Right in the shooting phase of the rulebooks.

Why is GW fucking allergic to giving Orks good rules?

>>53559008

So the Khorne Daemons are okay? I was thinking about buying them this summer but

>>53559023
He has a fw model iirc

>>53559012
Thinking about doing the same

>>53559043

Some of GW's stuff in 7e is nowhere near balanced.

>>53559054
They're fine, but they'll always be second fiddle to Slaanesh.

>>53559032
>About 950 points on each side
Oh wow, are you serious? Fuck, that's a lot

>>53559025
sorry that was unclear, where does it say that they have to be modeled on?

>>53558755
>Doesn't move.
>Expects to make the charge
>Somehow expects his mental retardation is the game's fault.

Anon, plz.

>>53559046
It's a suicide flamer. Causes mortal wounds when it dies.

you through it at expensive elite units and laugh and laugh

>>53559010

ANY. Feel free to give them drop pods, not a bad idea with plasma acolytes

>>53558800
>Where's the catch?
You're the new Tau. No one will play you now and everyone assumes you're an edgeaboo

>>53558984
>>53559008
Ah gotcha, I was curious about that thanks for the quick responses. I'm primarily a Nurgle guy and I've only seen a little bit but I'm pretty content.

>>53558933
You can choose your combat drugs
Dark light weapons and really powerful now
Agonizers are massivly undercosted
Stuff like that

>>53558960
Tzeentch isn't very good anymore, very low damage no and good psychic powers.
Everything they rely on like summoning, monsters and psychic powers got nerfed or removed so they're really feeling their lack guns and transports.

Greater daemons are half dead by the time they reach the enemy gun line and then they strike last when charged.
all their troops are still just T3 5++ as well only now loads of weapons ignore invulnerable saves.

Chadmarines will be available separately, right?

>>53559070
We skirmish game now

>>53559046
10 inch flamer, S5 AP-1 d6 hits. T4 W4 4+ save with an AP-3 melee weapon. 42pts

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>>53558897
>Replace units that have been destroyed
Would this include models? That would be pretty bad for Necrons.

>>53559023

His DOW3 model is going to be made by FW

There was a limited edition captain two handing a thunder hammer with gabes haircut, it's the perfect non termie gabe

>>53558771
Armorium Cherub. I believe you spend it for a reroll once per game.

>>53558822
Sell them and buy primaris

>>53558940
>same statline as a Dreadnought
>WS 4+
>melee unit

They're literally the new >I2 melee race meme, dont make me laugh.

>>53559092
Models aren't units

>>53559078
bad idea with 100 point droppods

>>53559043

It's been like that for a while

>>53559092

No replacing models in a unit is fine, creating a new unit costs points

>>53559008
>Tzeentch Daemons on suicide watch
the only Tzeentch Player I know is hording those little brimstone horrors and intends to field vast hordes of them and spam smite at people.

>>53559088
I have noticed that old boxed deals like start collectings have lost on their point value. Looks like most of new players will stick with DG or NuMarines

>>53558800
>finally
Weren't they high tier in 5th?

>>53559107
Oh wow 1 less WS in exchange for being 2/3rds the price and able to take 3 in one HS slot. How terrible!

>>53559092
>models
>units
Ok here's a question for you retard:
Are apples equal to potatoes?

>>53559008
Khorne and Slaanesh came out on top.
At a glance Nurgle looks tanky.

>>53559115

Especially when Valkyries are like 160? And can give plasma acolytes a 41" rapid fire threat range

Slightly weird painting question, would ask /wip/ but there isn't one up at the moment. A lot of things lose colour if you leave them in the sun, but does anyone know whether sunlight fades miniature paint? Got a load of models on my painting desk, which gets natural light, but not sure if I should be putting them away. They do tend to stay there a while due to the whole "backlog" problem.

>>53559124
remind him that he only gets to roll one die for the test now wich gives him a 33% chance to get a power off wich means 60 points for 1 mortal wound a turn

>>53559097
>>53559055

That's true, but how much would that cost? If it becomes too expensive I would rather just try my hand at making one and gain some termies on the side

>>53559133
Nigger, a Carnifex has trouble killing a Rhino unless you give it Crushing Claws now. You wound vehicles on 5s. You kill maybe 2 marines a turn on a good day?

>>53559133
They kill like two Marines a turn including their charge benefit. It takes them 4 turns of combat to make their points back against TACTICAL MARINES.

>>53559124
>>53559169
Also that if a brim is the caster, that brim dies. They get one successful shot per model.

>>53559182
And if you give it Crushing Claws it's hitting on 5's with only 4 attacks, and only Wounding on 3's in return.

>>53559191
thats actually not much of a drawback at 2 points per model^^

Whats so good about new DE? Werent they low tier in 7?

>>53558771
>>53558795
>>53558808
Note that they're actually models in 8th edition (and can be used as an ablative wound instead)

>>53559202
No it's not. Still something to consider, though.

>>53559169
Can multiple units not cast the same spell?
>>53559191
He might have overlooked that.
They are only two points per model though.

>>53559016
>got a lot of buffs while receiving point reductions in some cases

Screamers cost went up. Damage went down (Lampray Bite and Slashing Strike)

Flamers cost went up. But dage remained consistent.

Horrors. Gained 18" A2 Lasguns, 5+ to smite (vs "2+" for normal sorcerers).

Exalted Flamers. Cost went up and damage went down.

Discipline of Change
Lost witchfires, got out of place melee blessing, Smite 2.0, and heavily nerfed Treason.

Fateweaver went up a ton. Lost his 4++, and somehow became a swole ass mf with a great melee weapon???

Khorne and Slaanesh became good.

>>53559181
Tartaros termies box, daemon hammer, empty hand, cape, should be okay

anyone here got an oppinion on the harlequins? id lik to compare notes^^

maybe iam just the lone clown here...

>>53558755
Bet those 'umies wish they could reroll charges like orks.

>>53559219
Smite is the only power which can be cast by multiple units a turn. The anon you're replying to is pointing out the Magic Manifest rule which states that Horrors roll psychic with 1d6 instead of 2d6, making them much less likely to successfully manifest a given power. Smite requires a 5.

>>53559223

Kairos started lifting so that he could go all revenge of the nerds on chadmarines.

Besides since he shares the new big kit with the LoC it makes sense that he's swole now.

>>53559219
the only spell that can be cast more then once a turn in matched play is smite, so each of his units can cast smite.
however the entry of the horrors says that they only cast on 1 die instead of 2 wich makes them terrible

>>53559182
>>53559183
>>53559193
Honestly the more I look at Carnifexes the more I think they actually got worse. They're supposed to open rhinos like a can opener on tuna and carve through whole squads of chaff like a wheat thresher in a field, now they don't do either of these things.

>>53559235
I feel like the kisses are a little overcosted and the solitaire kinda lost a lot of his uniqueness but everything else got a lot better imo I'm really looking forward to playing them

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I can't be arsed to read a bunch of badly ordered and rotated phone pics.

Give me the tl;dr of Craftworld Eldar please.

>>53559225
Sounds good to me, thanks friend.

>>53559008
Why would any tzeentch player be mad about this? Went from being top tier to still one of the strongest armies? Changeling, small horrors, LoCs, and burning chariots are some of the best units in the codex.

Checking, can Drones score now? I don't see a rule on them that says otherwise.

>>53559248
>>53559261
Yeah I got that bit, he's planning on spamming a shitload of units and anything that fails to smite and kill itself is going to assault for god knows what reason, 2 attacks for 2 points I guess?
strength 1 doesn't matter when anything can wound anything

So there are gonna be new chapters that are entirely Primaris marines, right?

Because I want to make a Blood Angel successor Primaris chapter.

>Primaris Death Company

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I'm okayish with photoshop

Give me a dumb 40k meme/joke idea and I'll take a crack at it

Also here's the pic from yesterday

>>53559154
Fading paint will probably take years, and it'd depend on the intensity of light they receive. If it gets hot enough there, I might be more worried about the mini's and/or their bases warping.

Can an adult (mid 20s to mid 30s) become a CSM? Or does warp-fuckery and general lack of care not alleviate the need to start the process while the person is young?

>>53559137
Depends if you ask in french...

>>53558795
teleport homers accually do stuff in this edition

>>53558822

Well... I only have the one and basically swapped him out for a ghostkeel as soon as that kit came out.

>>53559275
>I don't want to know

Ok then, don't.

>>53559327
Not with those shitty leaks.

I'm thinking of taking up 40k after a 12 years long hiatus due to the fact that some of my friends started building armies recently. I used to play BT but apparently their codex is gone and it feels like I should wait some editions until chadmarines replace the old ones completely in case I wanted to go for marines again. I've always liked the aesthetics of the Tau infantry and tanks, but I don't like the mechs at all. Is it possible to run a Tau army without any mechs at all? Or is it too early to say due to the new edition not being out yet?

>>53559266
I guess? I mean, there's a reason why they cost as much as rhinos now. You don't take them for their killong power now. That's for the more refined, specialized Nid Monsters.

>>53559295
Please more chadmarines/manlet marines banter

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>>53559341

>>53559275
Eldar now are giant faggots like you

>>53559287
>small horrors are some of the best units in the codex.

Define "small horrors" as Pink don't do much. And Brimstones exist solely as chaff.

>>53559341
is the eldar one particularly bad? I could read the ork one just fine except for a page or two

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Is Deliverance Lost worth the reading, I've heard is good and has interesting insight for Alpha and Raven Guard faggs (such as me)

>ability affects units within 6
>have 4 different squads around character
Do all models in the 4 units get the buff or just the closest?

>>53559295
Heh. He's giving us a thumbs-up.

>>53558796


Not enough damage to be bunkers. Your opponent will ignore them while they kill 2 or 3 models a tutn or put 1 or 2 wounds on vehicles a tutn.

>>53558755
Has anyone figured out what unit keywords do yet?

I feel like fly should do something other than affect movement, like units shooting at it, but can't find anything.

>>53559351
>not wanting to get back to the good old rhino rush tactics with the bast army for it and the same army that used and abused this tactic back in the day

Points costs for characters seem way down. 10 points for a hive tyrant? 5 points for Epidemus? What?

>>53559154
if you're concerned about fading colors then put some varnish on your miniatures, though you're more likely to lose paint from touching them and moving them over letting them sit in the windows for while

>>53559275
so you're complaining about the complete leak of 40k 8th weeks before it even hits the shelves but then have the gall to post that terrible picture? you get nothing good sir

>>53559387
Fly only affects shooting, other keywords are used to apply buffs to the correct faction

>>53559368
Blue horrors are 5 points a piece, brimstones 2, and they still have a 4++. That's pretty fucking good for chaff

>>53559381
Does it say models anywhere in the rules? Then I guess it's talking about units then dipshit.

>>53558892
Ok, but how big is the power gap between top and bottom?

>>53559387
Keywords don't "DO" anything, but they are affected by other rules.

>>53559292
"Anything can wound anything" doesn't help too much with the other stats going on.

Even medium creatures will have a 3+ and W 7ish.

1/3 hit, 1/3 beat Sv, 1/6 wound = 54 attacks to inflict one wound. It'll be pretty infeasible to hurt most things with brims in melee.

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So how do you nerds think matched play will shake out in terms of which rules are used?
Will things like the "optional terrain rules" become standard?

>>53559272
I dont think ill pick kisses anymore. multiple Damage is only good aginst units with lots of wounds and those either hav good saves or thoughness wich the kiss cant deal with.
i think my go to will be the Carress, or if i have a troupmaster around (for the reroll to wound) the embrace.
4++ and base rising crescendo seem great but damn did our stuff get expensive, especially when marines and most other base stuff got cheaper.
The Psy seems strong, especially the first two and the survivabillity buff from the shadowseer seems mandatory to me.
Sollitair actually got better and cheaper i think. his blitz is finaly in addition to movement not instead.
Deathjesters seem completely useless to me as they are right now.
Voidweavers are still a tax, starweavers seem like amazing transports and since glaives and haywire got bad i wont be using alot of skyweavers.
DE Sourges seem like a great pickup, schoking into cover and shooting without the -1 for mooving.

>>53559419
>shooting
I meant movement godamnit

>>53559275
Eldar are okay.
The Jetbikes can't be used to deathstar, they are still stupidly fast and can shoot from an annoying distance but you can't move wherever the fuck you want during charge phase anymore.
Oh also no longer troop choices.

>>53558892
I've been meaning to throw my hat into the Playtesting ring this week to see how Sororitas and maybe a couple other armies actually are in practice, but I don't have anybody to actually play with on Tabletop Simulator

>>53559425
Still there, but not as huge.

Its D&D 5e all over again.

>>53559412
Are you sure you're not looking at power?

>>53559425
Doesn't seem big desu

160 pts of Khorne Zerkers /w chainswords vs 150 pts of conscripts. I can't find cost of Champion for some reason, so i'll count him as 16 as well. That's 10 Zerkers total.

200 shoots with Rapid Fire and FRFSRF. 1 in 27 kill for 7.5 dead, rest should due from batleshock.

Ten Zerkers charge. I don't know if FRFSRF works on Overwatch, but i assume it does not, so two die on overwatch. There is eight Khorne Berzerkers left, which translates to 25 attacks, which should generate additional four attacks. Hitting and wounding on 3s, Conscripts save on 5s, that's 20 hit, 14 wound and 10 dead. 40 conscripts swing back, hitting 13 times, wounding 4 times, killing 1.2. Seven Berzerkers swing back, killing additional eight or so Conscripts.

After fight has ended, there is 32 Conscripts and seven Berzerkers left. 18*3 and 3*16 points lost on each side.

>>53559293
that makes no sense, how would a primaris be driven mad by the genetic memory of his (not his) primarch dying

>>53559287
>burning chariots are some of the best units in the codex

Can you explain why? I just looked at it and see nothing special about it.

>>53559428
I have no idea what his plan is, throw enough horrors at something and roll buckets of dice until the opponent just runs out of wounds? As weak as they are brimstone horrors are still daemons and do get invul saves still I guess.

>>53559453
>people pay thousands of dollars to play this shit game when you could just pay $20 for tabletop simulator and play any version of it you want forever
how does GW still exist?

>>53559475
Because he has BA geneseed?

so hypothetically im making a guard army

can i take any unit that has imperium in it?

with no prerequisites?

so i can just add a squad of marines, squad of sisters ect ect?

>>53559475
Because blood angel dna/geneseeds will be used.

>>53559455
Can you give me a scale in relation to 7e? Are low tier armies just btfo, or do they at least have a chance?

>>53559422
No need to sperg out faggot, was asking for clarification on a rule and making sure shit like that didnt change

>>53559463
I guess I am, but where the fuck are the points costs listed then?

>>53559490
People enjoy the hobby aspect of it. I do both.

>>53559378

nah, its shite Alpha Legion mary sue bullshit.

>>53559493
Yes. It has no down sides for now, but the general assumption seems to be that once army specific rule books come out, you'll gain greater bonuses for having a more specific faction in your list.

>>53559370
the xenos part for eldar and necron is out of order and poorly photographed. readabl though for the most part

>>53559493
it seems that way yes. The only downside seems to be that most auras only affect units from the same faction. (Space marines to space marines etc.)

>>53559416
>terrible picture
Fucking newfags I swear.

>>53559474
>32 Conscripts and seven Berzerkers
Do note that two have died on Overwatch. Berzererks should manage to kill their way through Conscripts in about two turns, although they will be down to five or so models.

If you manage to eat the Overwatch with Rhino they can do better.

>>53559455
To be fair to 40k, DnD5e presented a relatively large power gap, and followed an edition that was remarkably well balanced. 40k 8e presents a relatively small power gap, and follows an edition with a huge power gap.

>>53559490
I'd actually prefer to play the real game since I like modelling, converting, and painting (on my old Tau army I used battlesuit and pathfinder bits to customize every single one of my Shas'ui)

I just don't have the time or money for it anymore.

>>53559493
I mean, if you want. But you can't give them orders, and fewer buffs affect them.

Also it'd stop you from using Militarum stratagems, but we haven't seen those yet.

>>53558930
>tfw when want to bring priests and crusaders
>they're too good for my IG chimeras and demand their own rhinos.

>>53559511
Back of the indexes, so they can be replaced easily come next update.

>>53559475

Blood Angel geneseed is what creates the Black Rage. Any successor chapter, including Primaris ones, would be at risk of the Black Rage purely by dint of having Sanguinius' geneseed.

>>53559484
Yeah, I see horrors best as an annoyance and a source of pressure. They're insanely cheap, and thanks to 4++ it'll take on average two hits to kill them regardless of what you shoot them with, so they're decent at soaking fire. No templates anymore, so you CAN take huge quantities. Either they draw fire as they approach a unit, or they successfully enter melee and force it to waste time withdrawing. The 1/3 chance of inflict a MW each turn makes them moderately threatening to more heavily armored targets, not sure if it'll be sufficient to get people to bother dealing with them, though.

>>53559475
>he still thinks the meme that all Primaris come from Guilliman geneseed is a thing

I love the idea of auras now.

Space marine chaplains can yell at stormravens to make them ram things better.

>>53559387
fly makes you abl to retreat and shoot in the same turn

>>53559547
That's annoying as fuck. Why can GW not into easy to read books, that present all relevant information in the same location?

>>53559500
I thought all Primaris Marines are of Ultra stock.

>>53558866
T7 and 14W, otherwise the same. They're 304 points with basic wargear.

>>53559501
We've not even had a full dozen games across all of /tg/ yet, so it'll be mathhammer of the very worst kind.

>>53559046
>pyrovore
Isn't that a biovore?
Or do the models just look that similar.

What's the point of the LoW slot in the Supreme Command Detachment? It's optional, and there's the Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment already. Is it just a way to have one fewer detachment, for people who enforce detachment caps?

>>53559443
>no longer troop choices
That's shitty. I guess they will stay in the closet for this whole edition.

>>53559577
Nope, all the Primarchs jizzed in the Primardial Soup.

>>53559557
Kek

>>53559574
>Why can GW not

He just told you.

>>53558863
Better than before

>>53559501
Hmm... most armies are Necron tier. Heh. Necrontyr

Not super bullshit on their own, but have to use their bullshit if they want to even have a chance against Top-tier cheese lists.

>>53559070
>Fuck, that's a lot
I think I'm honestly going to play my 40k at around 1k on a 4x4 now.

>>53559574
so the points can be replaced easily come next update.

>>53559596
Dude just take the fast attack focused detachment if you want an all jetbike list. It's super easy to take whatever you want in 8th edition.

>>53559535
i'm sure your art teacher is pleased you can paint without thumbs the rest of us are disturbed by it

Can everything score now? I don't see a mention of Airborne units not being able to. Can vehicles?

>my 4 scytal flyrant can actually do things now
>I can field lictors as something other than a homing beacon
>broodlords arent just glorified sergeants

But what the fuck did they do to Zoanthropes?

>>53559615
Oh my god shut the fuck up already and go back to riddit idiot, that picture is from a classic /v/ meme from some years ago.

>>53559291
Looks like it, yeah

>>53559577
Primaris marines are blank slates, the first batch just got a Guillnjection.

>>53559600
>>53559610
The next update is going to be a codex for whatever faction though. Why would they need to follow the index formatting?

Also, fuck that. If GW is just going to release another index, they can rearrange their pdfs. It takes 5 minutes for them, and saves thousands of hours for their fans.

>>53559549
When a Horror manifests Smite do they do d3 or a single MW?

And honestly that's my thoughts too. Fuckers protect characters. Have a small profile, and can camp objectives for pennies.

Combined with Changeling's twisting aura. It makes them more durable.

>>53558892
>orks are bottom tier

Give them a bit to adjust the meta with gunz and boy hoards being viable again.

Is there anything preventing me from using The Deceiver's Grand Illusion to sneak a monolith 12" away from any enemy unit, then disgorge a big blob of 20 warriors from it who are immediately in rapid-fire range? Obviously this is expensive and these are functionally sacrificial lambs, but can I do it for funsies?

>Admech only has 1 HQ
>all their good shit is troops
>you need to bring 2-3 Dominic for a list

Is their some way to get more troops without HQs?

>>53559548
my bad then, didnt know they made the new ones from the same geneseed

>>53559609
1k are the only games I play in __AoS__ and I really like it. If the rules are so similar right now small games are gonna be a lot of fun now

>>53559384

They cost as much as a tactical squad while doing more damage at longer range while being tougher

Punishers are still entirely viable

>>53559555
he does not, he simply didnt know that primaris used regular old geneseed.
He has trouble not speaking of him self in the 3rd person

why cant GW design aircraft rules properly?

>>53559641
got tougher, gained fly, and got their shooting toned down.

They're now synapse bunkers, like in the fluff.

>>53559649
>Why would they need to follow the index formatting?
Annual updates to every codex.

>>53559668
Isn't the Enginseer an HQ?

>>53559657
My bad, it's d3 MW. And yup, they're just going to be a pain in the butt to actually get rid of. I wonder how effective the nested-doll strat will be, given you need to pay the points for the resulting models. It could mean bringing one unit of pinks to an objective, and then the opponent having to kill a stupid amount of horrors. But would that be more effective than just purchasing all the units straight-up and having them all start in play?

>>53559351
I would also be interested to know if Tau are viable without the mechs.

>>53559668
you could use one of the specialist detachments (vanguard, spearhead etc.) But that only gets you so far.

I have the same problem with SoB as they also only have one HQ (unless you are counting Celestine)

>>53559668
You can take auxilliary support detachments of 1 unit for -1 cp

Or you could take an HQ from literally any other imperium faction. Have an inquisitor in there or a space marine librarian or a prmaris psyker or whatever the fuck you want. Or take Cawl.

>>53559670

Yup, and the High Lords are pissed about it because most of the loyalist geneseeds are still flawed as shit.

>>53559700
Realistic aircraft rules would be a strafing run once per game.

Not something that'll sell a lot of models.

>>53559641
They're pretty okay if you bring 4 of them with the free Neurothrope upgrade.

It's retarded that they sell them in boxes of 3 and you need more than 3 to get the benefits of Warp Blast though

>>53559713
nope, elite

>>53559718
Our infantry are very cheap comparatively now, and things like Vespids are now quite viable. Pathfinder heavy-weapons-teams also are a nice bonus, being able to take things like the Rail Rifle. Still, you'll need a better source of anti-heavy at higher points. Maybe piranhas with Fusion Blasters?

>>53559700
Because good flier rules would mean that the flier isn't ever on the table, and that'd be even worse

>>53559739
Welp, you better get out there and grab two SC Skitarii sets!

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What the fuck are these birbs anyway?

>>53559700
Pretty much >>53559733

Realistic flyers could be represented in the same way Orbital Bombardment would, just a one-time use attack of something flying over the battlefield, dumping its load, then leaving.

At least now you can kind of do that. Flying speeds being as high as they are means it's easy to sail over something, drop a bomb, and then unload your guns at a target. At worst, the only unrealistic thing is being able to be targeted with certain weapons that make no sense. Just saying that flyers can't be shot at by weapons with 12" or less range would solve that though.

>>53559767
Chaff units for TS. Like the poxwalkers but for tzeentch.

>>53559733

nah you could have it work like Dropzone Commander where they come onto the board every turn and get shot at, shoot, and then fly off while being intercepted by enemy aircraft.

Wouldnt be hard to do.

>>53559714
Nestdolling imo is a giant waste.

Say you bought a 10m pink horror squad. Aka 20 Brimstones and Blues
10 Pinks = 100
20 Blues = 100
20 Brimstones = 40

240pts for a maxed nestdoll.

Or 24pts a model for almost no offensive capability.

That won't activate untill your opponent starts killing them.

I'd rather just start with the three independent units and have three chances of Smite or hold three Objectives

>>53559767
Buff furries.

>>53559767
... filename, anon.

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I just realized Primaris shine allied to an Imperial Guard force.

>true scale
>multi-wound
>avoid conflict with the old space marine miniature range

>>53559743
Wouldn't hammerheads work?

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>KFF requires the entire unit to be inside it to benefit
>People thought they'd have multiple 30 man 5++ Boys running around.

>>53559767
Weird mutants or xenos

>>53559767
>>53559782
Khorne and Slaanesh chaff when?
Also what would they even be?

>>53559722
Just take an inquisitor as your second HQ until the SoB get their own book with their own detachment. Or take literally any other imperium HQ choice.

>>53558822

I am a Tau player and i would have told this faggot to go fuck himself. Jesus christ

>>53559783
DZC is a completely different scale with tiny cheap fighter plane models.

Nobody wants to spend 70$ on the huge 40k aircraft so they can spend 90% of the game not on the table and just act as markers to move across it in a line doing strafing runs.

>>53559789
>>53559793
>>53559782
Mostly in the fluff I mean

>>53559796
Better yet: Primaris + fw guards for the maximal true scale experience

How would you guys feel about Aspiring Sorcerers and Scarab Occult Sorcerers being able to cast smite normally?
Or how about letting them know spells other than smite?
And how about giving the Thousand Sons more than 1 discipline?

>>53559767

became bretty good in 8th ED.
Bought a box today. going for two 20 model blobs in the future I think.

So how do dedicated transports work, I know that you can take them, but I'm not at my PC with the leaks don't remember seeing anything that says who can take what. Are all transports potentially "Dedicated"?

i wonder what's a good way to make use of inquisition and other small factions in big guard/marine/sister armies

>>53559782
wierdly enough you can make them somewhat decent in meele with the out of place buffs that tzeench got to closecombat and the 2 atacks from the chainsword

>>53559784
The reason it's useful is because you don't have to specify what your reinforcement points are for. You can use the pool to summon things, and then if your summoners die, if you still have leftover points, you can spend them on splitting horrors.

>>53559820
>fw guards
Are they smaller than GW guard?

>>53559807
The cultists from the AoS starter box and uh..

>implying Slaanesh will get anything ever

Oh anon

>>53559834
Not all transports are dedicated. Dedicated transports are just a slot in your FoC, for each unit in your FoC you open up 1 dedicated transport slot.

But it's not like old editions,they're not actually "dedicated". You can deploy whatever you want in them as long as the transport's rules allow it.

nids seem fun as fuck now. Reliable deep striking, reserves, and psychic powers. Living bombs, monsters, all that. I might actually play this retarded game now that the base rules aren't "lolsorandumb", and my favorite faction is playable.

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>>53559851
Yes, and better proportioned too.

>>53559783
First:
40k is ~1:30 scale
Dropzine is ~1:150 scale
Battlefield sizes are far apart.

Second: Skies of Death

>>53559797
Oh, Hammerheads would. Wasn't sure how vehicle-heavy this list would be going.

>>53559784
Only benefit I could see would be as a deployment thing. IE there isn't enough room to effectively start with all those on the field and move them into position, and you just want the extra staying power once they get to their destination. It's trading offensive power for more consistent objective-holding. Still not the best deal.

Do horror splits and daemon-summoning come out of the same pool of points you set aside at the start of the game, so you can pick between them on the fly?

>>53559811

yeah and most of the models played in this game are just glorified wound counters?

They'd spend most of the turn on the table just like DZC.

Flyers at the moment are completely unrealistic in the way they interact with the rest of the table.

>>53559834
dedicated transports have a special battlefield role

in the rulebook's detachments you can have one transport of each other choice

So how does this look for a 1.25k list? I've still got a defiler around somewhere, and i can proxy guardsmen as pox-victims and regular dreads as hellbrutes until i can get two of the Mortis Metallikus that are a dime a dozen on ebay. The other characters from the set and the drone seem pretty shit, so they're being plague marines and shelved, respectively. hhg dont crucify me

164-Typhus
136-Plague Marines-2x Blight Launcher, Plaguesword
136-Plague Marines-2x Blight Launcher, Plaguesword
120-20x Poxwalkers
120-20x Poxwalkers
133-Hellbrute, Reaper Autocannon, Power Scourge
131-Hellbrute, Reaper Autocannon, Power Fist
246-Defiler-Reaper Autocannon, Battle Cannon, Claws, Scourge
1250

>>53559821
theyll get their book in a year or two and they will be able to sling spells agin, right now we have to bear with whatevr this shit is

>>53559847
>with the out of place buffs that tzeench

Has to target a TZEENTCH DAEMON. They aren't daemons.

>I was sad. Some Tzans + Blessing + Heralds giving Tzeentch Daemons +1S. Suddenly Tzeentch becomes a melee army!?

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>>53559800
>18inch diameter bubble
>cant fit multiple 30 man Boyz mob under

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>>53558755
So Primaris Marines are bigger than Marines so they need bigger robot suits. Custodes are bigger than Primaris Marines, why do they not have the biglyest robot suits?

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>>53559860
Thanks, anon!

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>>53559796
>tfw was thinking about the same thing last night
I have catachans and want to paint chadmarines with these colors, what chapter should they be?

Please r8 my Tyranid list.

I like big bugs so I tried to do a lot of that.

Hive Tyrant w/ Adrenal Glands, MC Boneswords

3x Tyrant Guard

3x Hive Guard

15x Genestealers

25x Hormagants

Trygon Prime w/ Adrenal Glands

Exocrine

-Separate Detachment-

Tyranid Prime

5x Zoanthropes

25x Hormagants

3x Tyranid Warriors
Barbed Strangler

Mawloc

2x Carnifex, 1 w/ Adrenal Glands


List comes out to 2000 points exactly.

>>53559921
They have the contemptor don't they?

>>53559821
Well, in general I feel like all the Chaos psykers in general would be more fluffy if they had all the tables that made more sense for them, like a Slaanesh sorcerer getting the CSM table and the Slaanesh discipline from Chaos Daemons

I'm not sure about them casting smite normally. They're in a similar boat to Grey Knights there.

I kind of wish they had handled it in a different way though. Like Grey Knights having a heavily reduced range on Smite and not getting the extra damage on a 10, but still being d3 mortal wounds per unit if you were right in their face.

Personally, I think I'd be fine with Aspiring Sorcerers having a 1 wound smite, if they also needed a lower number to cast it so it was at least more reliable.

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>>53559921
Um...

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>>53559856
Are you not paying attention to the leaks? Slaanesh is coming out on top. Then again you might just be one of those fags who ignores how good Slaanesh stuff always is.
Also
>AoS cultists
>literally cultists
>Khorne dedicated chaff
you're not just a nay saying fag, you're also retarded

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>>53559921
>why do they not have the biglyest robot suits?
But they do.

Now that valks have a hover mode, I'm tempted to do a some convert them into helicopters, for some 'Nam Catchicans.

Not sure if I am getting the example right in the core rules of 8th, but so long as models share 1 universal faction, IE Wyches as Aeldari and Shadowseer as Aeldari, they can all be part of the same detachment?

>>53559433
I do wonder if some tournaments might restrict people to the patrol/battalion/brigade detachments, and ban vanguard/spearhead/outrider. Just to prevent excessively funky builds.

>>53559939
Based on this picture the Contemptor is smaller by a fair bit.

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Nids or Tau?
>inb4 riptide-ptsd maymays
I don't even like Tau huge models. Thinking about 1k low-model-count army (something like 25-30 models) for vanilla games

Has anyone found any rules regarding what models can enter which transport?

Like can I fill a land raider with repentias?

>>53559291
Yup. So can swarms

>>53558771
I don't know if anyone has pointed it out but it's an armorium cherub.

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>>53559921
>why do they not have the biglyest robot suits?

>>53559878
Nice. Just not having the giant shoulder pads seems to do a lot for the model.

>>53559952
>Woman (presumably) in a suit

Don't you dare tempt me foul thing of Chaos!

>>53559978
only five people before you

>>53559962
>Now that

>>53559974
>1k low-model-count army (something like 25-30 models)

This is gonna be hard to do with Tyranids.

>>53559978
Do you see the little blue numbers on the top right side of the post? That lets you see who all has replied and what they replied with. Hope this helps!

>>53559904
thats just dumb ^^, thanks for the correction though

>>53559545
priests can get in a chimera since they have the astra militarum keyword

>>53559974
Take a look at the rules and models. Which aesthetic and playstyle appeals to you more? Both are quite viable in 8th, though Tau may be a bit on the weaker side atm (needs testing). I personally like the amount of customization that crisis suits afford, and like their aesthetic a bit more, but your mileage will vary. If you want low model-count, you'd be looking at a monstrous creature list for nids, or something more suit/vehicle-heavy in Tau.

>>53559796
>>53559820
>Primaris in a Guard army
>Marines can be depicted on the table as the resilient handful of giants they are in the books

Who's hyped for Rynn's World 2?

>>53559897
I'd drop the defiler to hit 1000pts, objectively the best point level.

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>>53559990
>Woman (Presumably)

Maybe, maybe not.

It's like russian roulette, but with shame instead.

>>53559807
>>53559952
Khorne doesn't need or want chaff. His own warriors kill all the chaff before each battle.

Slaanesh could have "the beast with two backs" two cultists merged together during a lewd act flailing with multiple arms and legs.

>>53559850
Oh. Hmm thought you had to allocate Nestdolling pts from regular.

Not terrible. But still stand I'd rather just have multiple units. I'll need to try it out to be sure tho.

>Maybe start with Blues and Nest the Brimstones.

>>53559529
>>53559532
>>53559543

i see, cheers for the clarification gents

>>53560044
It's basically the only reason I want to return to the game

>>53559961
Oh. Well. Truly the Emperor's bananas stand a head above the lesser soldiers of the Imperium.

Although this does make me think. Custode Dreads vary in size from the plastic Contemptor to the MEGA DREAD 9000. Therefor Dread size is unlikely to be related to the size of the dude inside. So why the shit are Primaris Dreads so big? Seems like a waste of resources to make one large Redemptor dread rather than two Casteferrums especially considering they're basically mass producing disposable Space Marines.

For Custodes it makes sense, there's very few of them. But they can make Primaris fast enough to resupply the whole of the Space Marine forces so shouldn't they be treated as disposable?

>>53558822
>be me
>wanted to start tau since the first codex came out as a kid
>hate riptides and large battlesuits
>want to make a mechanised army with plenty of kroot and wespid
>gw will never release more alien mercenaries and advanced drone units

Now I'm torn between starting Tau, Space Marines and Necrons.

I figured out what Carnifexes are for. They fucking SMUSH elite infantry. Don't think of them as transport-crackers anymore, they suck at that, just throw them at Terminators and Crisis Suits and they'll make their points back. Multi-wound T4 & 5 stuff is their preferred prey.

>>53559952
>It's another delusional Slaaneshicuck episode

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>>53559357

When were you when Orks got shafted 8 editions in a row?

>>53560044
I mean, I think you could also take those new Space Marine Ancients that are all the standard bearers. Those work even better by having like 5 wounds and being a solo guy.

I feel like 4 Blood Angels Terminator Ancients led by a Terminator Captain would be pretty terrifying

>>53560046
Drop the Defiler or the Helbrutes?

>>53560100
New memes, already saw that one

>>53559907

If you run Walkers, you can fit your entire army under one can't you?

If you run a Big Mek, a Morkanaut and the Wazz Bomma, you can shield a lot of stuff at once can't you?

>>53559012
100% recast is a bit of a faux pas, even on 4chan.

Are Primaris Marines gonna be a flavour of the month thing?

Cuz I really wanna start them, but I don't wanna go through the shit of people refusing to play me because everyone and their dog plays Primaris.

>>53560109
Nah, Orks seem pretty decent now.

>>53560066
you do realise that that was a very insulting term to describe homosexual men back in the day right?^^

>>53560085
Bigger size = more weapons to carry.

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>>53559990
Get tempted on.
>liking women in suits
You already have a thing for mild androgyny, just fall to Slaanesh.
>>53560066
Sounds horrifying and you got dubs in Slaanesh's number so that'd be cool.
Kind of sounds similar to a chaos spawn appearance wise though.
>>53560096
So tell me how YOUR daemons deal with enemy Terminators then?

>>53560057
Why is slaanesh usually portrayed as a person with both dick and breasts? Why not no bulge, but male musculature?

>>53560093
So they're Tyranid Battlecannons

>>53559012
That would be frowned upon for a number of reasons.

>>53560127
Where the fuck do you think we are, faggot?

>>53560136
I dunno, but I like it. Reverse trap.

>>53559936
Why the fuck would you do this as two patrol detachments instead of 1 Battalion and spend a command point on Auxiliary for the extra HS?

>>53560118
Yeah they have quiet a large area of shielding, especially if you ran them in a decent spread

>>53560038
>Which aesthetic and playstyle appeals to you more
The worst thing is I like them both equaly. They aesthetic is so different but both please me. I like the Tau "small empire with a pinch of dark side" fluff but Tyranid "faceless bugs eating the galaxy" theme is also interesting (my favourite DoW 2 faction)

>>53560136
Artists gonna art.
I've seen portrayals like that before, they tend to lean towards androgynous musculature though.

>>53560136
That's gay
Go away you fucking faggot ass degenerate

>>53560057
I'd think anyone willingly interacting with anything related to Slaanesh would have to pretty much be done with shame.

>>53560132
You are that one tranny from the other threads aren't you

>>53559443
>but you can't move wherever the fuck you want during charge phase anymore
Damn, that was the whole point of jetbikes. Do Crisis Suits still have that ability?

>>53560147
iam not objecting to the term beeng posted iam questioning the commercial viabillity of naming a unit the beast with two backs

>>53559800
Cunt detected

>>53560007
Not anymore, Warrior spam is pretty viable.

>>53560179
It's not gay if the balls don't touch
Or if she has a feminine penis

>>53560164
In that case, start chewing through both of their rulesets (conveniently they share an index!), maybe even draw up a basic list for each. See what models you'd use, how much they'd cost, what it'd play like, etc. Might give you more information to make a decision.

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>>53558755
>Tfw Skitarii are so bad, every one just assumes we don't exist anymore
It's motherfucking Death all over again.

>>53559705

Yea, but Warp Blast was their thing and now it's super generic.

I suppose that seems to be the general theme of the index updates, though.

>>53560150
Didn't think of it, tbqh.

>>53560144
Yeah but 3-4 times as effective, they just need to make it into melee range.

>>53560127
I don't know what language you speak where it translates to that, but "the beast with two backs" in english refers to a man and a woman having sex.
>>53560132
No they would be much thinner, chaos spawn models are rather bulky, this would look more spindly and have clear humanoid shapes in it.

>>53560157

The way I see it, they only have to shield the transports and not entire Boyz mobs.

Though really I have to question if there are any vehicles or walkers left that you'd actually want to have a KFF embarked on most of the time aside from maybe the Gorkanaut and possibly the Battle Wagon.

>>53560216
Hey, did Skitarii and AdMech get merged? Or are you two still separate entities? I remember hearing Sisters got rolled into Ministorum. (I'm a filthy xenos who doesn't keep up with this stuff)

>>53559275
Craftworld Eldar are still good. Ynnari are still broken.

Jetbikes are more expensive (20 base plus 10 for twin catapults) but the weapon upgrades are cheaper now. It's only 2 points to give that Jetbike a Shuriken Cannon. They only have a 4+ save but they have 2 wounds now. No "free jetpack" move but they can't be locked down in melee.

Since dangerous terrain no longer exists, you want to space out and hide in terrain to deny it. Enemies can only DS 9" away and suffer a -2 to charge terrain, so you're effectively 11".

Eldar still get Doom and Guide, with Fortune now being a 5+ FNP that works against everything, even Mortal Wounds.

One of the real kickers is that Battleshock will really add up when it comes time to blow up hordes. Play Ynnari, and max out your Soulbursts.

Dark Reapers are pricey but they ignore all hit mods no matter what (except on overwatch). The Exarch is BS 3+/reroll 1s, but a tempest launcher makes him hilariously usable against most things. 2d6 S4 AP -1 hits that ignore LOS have their place, especially if you're chaining Soulbursts.

Eldar are fine. The Wraithknight got nerfed to be a mirror Knight, but everything else is about the same with its ed rules even favoring them a good bit: Rangers can actually snipe, Soulburst lets them target multiple units with shooting, and Bladestorm now works on vehicles so you can have Guardians tearing up Land Raiders.

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>Dreadknight conversion
>For 55$

>>53560126
Ahh delusion.

>>53560231
interesting i thought you were referencing something else then, in german there is a very similar idium.

Where are people putting their characters now? As a Deldar player, I don't actually know what to do with my HQ