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Paizo Games General (Pathfinder & Starfinder) /pgg/ (formerly /pfg/)

Sibling Edition:
Does your character have a sibling or other close family? How do they feel about his adventuring career?

Unified /pgg/ link repository: https://pastebin.com/PeD1SMUZ

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>>53553918
I feel like doing this would be too much effort without enough payoff - I mean, I give my characters siblings and parents and relatives, but they're just shadows in the background, or threads of the backstory.
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>>53553918
>having family in an rpg
It's like you want them to be killed/raped.
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>>53553918
My girlfriend and I are currently playing a brother-sister pair. She's a paladin, I'm a cleric.
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>>53553918
My dawrf has a huge family. More than 100 brothers and sisters huge. I assigned one sibling as a mirror to each of my party members so I can constantly chime in with stuff like "That's exactly what Horin would say!"
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>>53553918
Step 1: Fuck your sister.
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Hey, I'm gonna shill this a few more times.

Less than a week left for applications for Depths of Darkness. Probably will be equal parts combat and roleplay, with emphasis on exploration and survival. You'll start at level 4 and level pretty quickly just because I know everyone's tired of low level games- me included.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/78876/depths-of-darkess-a-pathfinder-adventure
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>>53553918

50 siblings. 100 cousins. 23 aunts. One of the consequences of long lifespans.
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>>53554154
Jaime no. Stop.
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>>53553918
Yes.
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>>53553918
He has a half-brother. And another one. And another one. And another one. And another one. And another one. And another one. And a whole bunch of half-sisters. And then some extra for good measure. His mother had trouble keeping her legs closed.
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What's the average lenght of an elf pregnancy?
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>>53554187
I feel kind of bad for you, why is no one applying anyway? Did you shill this in the discord? Do you want me to do it for you?
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Recruiting:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/75856/dimensional-ark-abyssia
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77814/ensoulment-of-the-flower-court
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77293/ironfang-invasion-adventure-path
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/78224/chronicles-of-the-golden-chalice
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77201/essentia-forgotten-home
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/78606/hells-saboteurs
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77329/something-wicked-comes-this-way
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/79068/journey-to-the-west
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>>53554272
Add >>53554187 next time.
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>>53554312
Can do, didn't realize it was missing.
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>>53554267
That scary avatar probably has to do with it.
Like unironically an avatar doesn't HAVE to represent you but it does hit people with strong first impressions.
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>>53554265
There is nothing concrete, so assume some months longer or as long as a human's.
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>>53554267
I don't think a lot of people are all to hot about being members of the Pathfinder Society as in the in-game organization.
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>>53554265
This question has a simple answer, exactly one year from conception (which is typically 12 months or 365 days, Elves love their symbology) but we could explore the concept even further and come across some startling revelations.

More specifically, would it be unwise to assume the Elves share qualities of native woodland fauna? I mean, take the deer for instant; swift, noble, wise in the animal way and kings of the forest, they're practically Elves themselves, so what if Elves shared characteristics of a cervine nature? Of course, this would mean Elves would have twins; During times of plenty, deer will typically have twins, it's quite the problem in suburban areas where food is at a maximum and stress is at a minimum. Elves likewise will suffer the same fortunes, which explains why so many of them are so gosh darn SKINNY. It's not just a product of their bodies, but a deliberate attempt to keep themselves from producing too many god damn kids when the batter sticks. Intentional mild malnourishment, in other words, with all the implications a full-figured Elf might posit.

It would also, if we continued this Deer analogy, suggest that Elves are able to operate at full capacity right up until birth - Elves just don't really *show* like Humans do, a valuable trait for a swift woodland creature who needs every muscle working properly until it's time to have kids. And why shouldn't this make sense? Humans jury-rigged their uteruses to produce large-headed young and we're still reaping the consequences, Elves are either Super Duper Ancient or Made By God, they'd either be Built Tough or sufficiently evolved.

But yes, exactly one year.
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>>53554407
I feel dumber for having read this, but I'm glad you've found something that makes you happy anon.
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>>53553918
Well, my previous character gets along with most of her family, especially now that she's moved out after the rape. Sure, she was possessed, but her brother really didn't deserve it.

My current character outlived everyone in his family some two or three thousand years ago.

My next character is either going to be a tiefling who doesn't have much in the way of family, or a slightly obsessed and somewhat imaginative twin to another player's very down to earth character. They only share a bed for sleeping purposes, anon.
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>>53554454
>especially now that she's moved out after the rape. Sure, she was possessed, but her brother really didn't deserve it

I remember this story, years ago.

>Recommended: This girl was Born in the Jungle, her Photos are Insane

Nani?
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>>53554187
You know, your timezone actually works for me, so I'll see about throwing something together. You aren't allowing Spheres of Power, so I guess I'll use this opportunity to play a Cryptic.
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>>53553918
Of course. Unlike others who have backup twins out of nowhere, I like to engage in a little foreshadowing.
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What would be a meaningful way to involve a character having family that doesn't involve immediately killing them?

I would think for something like Starfinder where, instead of being a wondering hobo you have some place to go back to (the two major places being Verces or Abasolom) Maybe if you have a business they maintain it for you while you're out doing the adventuring aspect or work on projects like making X items or whatever. This also goes with having skills that wouldn't make sense for a wondering hobo to have that would be better suited to having a place you can do them (like having a shop or lab or something)

Although I suppose when you think about it you can replace family with random loyal doods and not have the emotional impact of them being killed off.
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>>53554565
>wondering hobo to have that would be better suited to having a place you can do them (like having a shop or lab or something)
>not having an amazing lab ship/caravan ship or riding on ships that have quarters for that shit.
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>>53554565
Everyone's gotta have a family, somewhere. You make them meaningful by making them own some family business the party can use. Who needs Random Shopkeep #3 when Dad is a pharmacist and Mom knows how to cook a mean lasagna? Or, as >>53554617 suggests, just keep 'em on the ship.

THE BUGS ALREADY DO THIS, BEWARE THE NESTING HABITS OF THE SHIRREN
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>>53554440
I think you were already too dumb to begin with, that's why you don't see his logic.
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>>53554617

>"So I heard on the grapevine you were pretty smart at chemicals and shit, if you catch my drift (wink). I'll let you on my ship for half price and give you a place to sleep if you hook me and my boys up with some dank shit"
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>>53554565
Just... Give them a family man. Do you intend to keep living with your mom forever? Christ.
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>>53554670
>Do you intend to keep living with your mom forever? Christ.

What if he does? You can actually play a momma's boy in Starfinder, or even a full-fledged NEET.
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why is everyone ignoring chronicles?

it has 26 apps and still rolling, and some of those apps are pretty waifu material
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What race and class should I play in my next game?
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>>53554738
>The game would be played over a mixture of discord and roll20
Strike one
>with sessions being run bi-weekly.
Strike two
>vague sandbox premise instead of something with a strong goal and direction
Strike three, you're out.
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How do I make a strong ki user like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUYCl3XRZQ
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>>53554771
You play a better system.
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>>53554771

1.Make a Path of War character and take E.Flux. Call it Ki instead of Arcane Sorcerer fuckery.

2. Make a Sphere's of Power Character, entropic sage hedge-witch works wonders for it. Call your magic Ki manipulation.

3.Play a Deadly Fist Warsoul Soulknife with E.Flux. Call your E.Flux and Psionics Ki.
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>>53554634

I can't disagree with any of this, especially when I recall that one anon who said he wanted to make a pirate hunter who hunts terrorist to protect his family who work for the corps they are targeting even if he acknowledges their grievneces against the corps
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>>53554634
>Everyone's gotta have a family
>implying
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Will we be able to build Tenno in Starfinder? How about space Jews and space Russians by the horde?
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>>53554886

I imagine really high end shit would be akin to their armor. The majority of their weapons I could certainly see.
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So how would you prestige into this class? I'm honestly debating a mix of Anti-Paladin and Slayer levels (want to get Shield Master at level 6 through Talent > Ranger Combat Style and I like using social skills/Intimidate, plus Cha to Saves would be nice).
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>>53554929
Actually, Tenno armor is bad. Really, really fucking bad.

Where the corpus have recovering shield generators, and the Grineer have extremely good alloys they use for their armors, the Tenno have shields (Except for Inaros and Nidus) that are far, far weaker than anything the corpus can pull out, and armor ratings that are paper next to what the grineer can manage.

Like, a corpus character will be able to hit something around 4k shield HP at level 30 or so. Grineer? they'll have around 4000 armor. No Warframe can even come close to that.

Instead, the Tenno rely heavily on their mobility, fast ability to act, and how utterly bullshit their abilities can be.
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>>53555007
>alignment restrictions
>fucking gender restrictions
Attaching mechanics to Golaion fluff so fucking close was a mistake
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>I just found out the name I gave my character that I came up with on my very own is the name of a demon in Golarion that is said to pay unwanted attention to you if you even say his name

Uuuuh
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>>53555057
What's the demon?
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>>53555057
your character's parents were secret cultists, congratulations.
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>>53555057
Pazuzu Pazuzu Pazuzu
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>>53555074
>>53555082
Well...

>>53555097
Yes. Pazuzu. Like really, never heard of the name before I "came up" with it.
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>>53554400
He assumed he'd have money to gamble from this assignment.

The fool.
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>>53555124
>He doesn't Google names before using them

Holy shit dude
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>>53555050

It's not bad so much as where your priorities are.

Mesa is not meant to tank bullets to the face but Rhino can, Volt is meant to go fast and Loki is Loki.

If everything was meant to tank bullets to the face without flinching that wouldn't leave us a lot of room to do other stuff.

That said, even if I could tank bullets to the face I would rather not do that.
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>>53555124
Aunt Lammie is gonna rape your boy
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>>53555124
Best bet is to work on a plot with your GM for this. You have discovered a situation OOC that could be real fuckin' neat in character. Roll with it, because as >>53555082 said, this likely means your parents were cultists.
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>>53555124
>Somewhat of an outcast because of the name and the unwanted attention it invites
>Eternally plagued by cultists and demon assassins

>Lamatshu wants your head
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>>53555148
No, I did. But all I got was an african deity. So...

>>53555202
It's a girl, and the thing with Lamashtu is a bit complicated, given how she's a gnirl.

>>53555214
>this likely means your parents were cultists
It's.... Complicated. I can't talk under the watchful eyes of the teammates who still don't know my backstory but visit this thread.

>>53555217
Well, in her tribe she never had problems.

I might just retcon it off. Her name just has to start in Pazu.
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>>53555288
>ITS A GIRL

RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE
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>>53555311
It's a gnoll girl, the rape is probably going in the other direction.
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>>53555311
>Anon projects
Anon, she's a matriarch. Gnoll girls are stronger than males. It's not like with you humans.
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>>53555124
>Pazuzu
How do you come up with "Pazuzu" independently?
>>53555288
Pazuzu isn't exactly a common PC name.
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>>53555331
>>53555346


Oh, then her parents being worshippers of Pazuzu isn't just likely, its probably fact.

why does this matter?
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>>53554748
What is this even again
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>>53555383
bdsmtest.org

I'm just shitposting though, don't mind me

sometimes people have funny responses though
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>>53555190
Oh, I know, but you as a Tenno can't pilot a Warframe the same way a Grineer Bombard might walk into a room blithely, even if yoiu're one of the tankiest frames in the game, such as Inaros.

I feel like it's an interesting contrast, but it's a bit of ground rules if you eventually want to build such a character in Starfinder. No doubt the whole "not actually in the suit" thing is liable to be downright impossible as well.

Of course, being in the suit means you've got some mighty large curves to fill for any of the larger ones.
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>>53555356
Okay; you might remember me as the Kozuni player. I had an array of similar-sounding names I was trying out for her. Mostly, the biggest choice was between "Kozu" and "Pazu", but I wanted those two to be informal-yet-official ways to call her, and so be a little bit longer; like you'd call a Maxence, just Max. I tried out several ways to finish these names with a gnollish sound to it (at least how -I- see gnollish language) and PazuZU sounded like a nice backdrop to KozuNI. First, it's a repetition, and that makes it more diverse, second, I couldn't do Pazuni or something like it anymore, because (Mighty Quest crew if you're reading this that is spoiler) the two characters are twins and so their parents tried to not make their names sound alike like it was a stupid joke but they didn't realize they'd end up mostly called by the shortened versions, which makes said stupid joke - Kozu / Pazu. [spoiler/]

Both twins agree Kozu should have gotten Pazu's name and vice-versa but that's just flavour referencing how I had a hard time picking[spoiler/]
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>>53555455
>Okay; you might remember me as the Kozuni player.
Suddenly things are much clearer.
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>>53555408

One of the big obstecles here is replicating some of the powers of the warframes.

Right now we don't really know what sort of spells we have with the mystic and technomancer but I don't really see the element bending to the degree warframes can do (even though Hydroid gets no love it seems having water tentacle is pretty dank in my opinion).
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>>53555477
Except for me. Explain.
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>>53555477
Right?
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>>53555365
They're Neutral aligned

If every they named her that it was because they might have believed it would give her power, they're not stupid about the race's demonic taint
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>>53555288
Aunt Lammie can rape girls
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>>53555484
He's even dumber than Rory.
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>>53555482
there's also the fact that warframe and Pathfinder are completely different systems. where in warframe you need to aim and if you hit, you hit, there's no such mobility thing preventing you from being hit in a game like pathfinder. Both of the Tenno's primary weapons (mobility and powers) are going to be hard if not impossible to replicate in Starfinder, just due to the nature of how the game systems work.

You may be better off trying to base a character on the Grineer. There has to be at least a few organizations spewing out defective clones that make for cheap soldiers.
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>>53555527
Not if she rapes her first.
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>>53553918

My character when back in time and became his own father.
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>>53555547
That's me you're actually talking to, actually.

But pscht, Anon. All you do is shittalk other people's games, but I don't see you getting into one and having a life to talk about. Would that mean there's envy and jealousy involved?

...Given how much you care about e-celebs, I'd say you're living your game life through them.
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>>53555556
Lamashtu is the Archdemon Goddess of Rape. You aren't beating her in a rape-off. That's not happening
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How much aesthetic can I fit into a kitsune soundweaver kineticist and their wolf animal companion with the bestial kineticist archetype, both of them blasting their opponents with their voice- the kitsune being the main singer and the wolf the accompaniment
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>>53555482
There are much, much better systems for this sort of thing than friggin' PF.
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>>53555586
Don't dare me. For all you know, that might even be this character's goal already.
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>>53555604
Not really the point of the conversation. Some games would do it better, sure, but we're here in the Paizo Games thread, so we're gonna try to do it with Paizo games.
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>>53555548
I actually prefer the look of the Corpus, especially since I want to create a religion similar to theirs and Orhzov but doesn't involve Abador

>>53555604
yeah, I'm not concerned with replicating Warframe in Starfinder, beyond weapons their powers are way to out there for the scope of SF
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>>53555584
>implying
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>>53555645
It's worth bringing them up instead of perpetuating the cycle of 3.PF players being so close-minded they cannot fathom playing anything other than PF.
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>>53554011
Hidden fetish detected.
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>>53555662
Gotta admit, I way prefer the aesthetic of the Grineer over that of the Tenno or Corpus I've always been a fan of cybernetics, and something about their color palette and the bulbous way their armor looks is really appealing. Given they're much easier to replicate in most sci fi games anyways, I don't see a reason not to copy them over the warframes themselves, even if Warframes are way more powerful.

I'm now imagining a touching schene where the ship's mechanic is kneeling down in front of the team's soldier, and doing maintenance on one of his cybernetic legs.

>>53555756
A fair point, but not really a concern at the moment.

Ignoring that for a moment, what's your gripe with Abadar? He seems like he'd fit the Corpus to a T
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>>53555774
>Maintenance on legs

/pgg/, are your legs okay?
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>>53555774
Woops, screwed up the order of my paragraphs/sentences there. the question about abadar should come before the second quote.
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>>53555774
>I'm now imagining a touching schene where the ship's mechanic is kneeling down in front of the team's soldier, and doing maintenance on one of his cybernetic legs.

Was this actually a thing in game? I only played for a little bit but I would find it amusing espeically if it was a female grineer demanding the male mechanic to work on her leg

>>53555801
pic related.
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>>53555801
My legs are always OK.
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>>53555830
Hi Slow.
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>>53555824
Nah, thoroughly matriarchal society, so it's unlikely it'd ever happen the way I said. Doesn't change the fact that either way you spin it, it's a nice little scene.
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Listen up, /pgg/. Your DM has been working really hard to make you happy. I want you to go find them online as soon as you can, and thank them for being so good to you.

Can you do that for me, /pgg/? It would mean a lot to them if you did.
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>>53555843
Guess again.
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>>53555801
They were until Starfinder decided that magic items don't stack in the same slots as cybernetics/grafted limbs anymore.
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>>53555054
But anon, the company has dissolved the extreme notion of "racial purity" that Ileosa hawked for the Gray Maidens; this means body positivity (HAAS) and PoC.
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>>53555920
You've got a perfectly fine, no maintenance required set of limbs that work just fine.

What did you expect was going to happen when you added chain-saw knees and grappling hook arms?
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>>53554272
>Text only
>Text only
>Text only

Shit tastes confirmed
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>>53555920
Being fair here, it's a good balancing point. It's something that could have caused serious power problems later on, and we would have still been dealing with the same old magical christmas tree problem. while it's still going to be an issue of filling all your slots, at least you'll have the option to be fully nonmagical now.
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>>53555958
back to /soc/
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>>53555774
>Ignoring that for a moment, what's your gripe with Abadar? He seems like he'd fit the Corpus to a T

Their values don't exactly align with Abadar. The basic premise for their ideology is that everything has value and therefore everything has a price the currency being anything from money to the time you invest in something up to and including selling your soul. The basic tenets have spawned various religious cults who trace their lineage to these texts, the nicer ones aligning with Abadar and others being super self-serving assholes. I still have to iron out the basic tenents but I'm hoping to make them more than just evil space jews as is the normal depiction
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>>53555891
I thank them after every session because I'm a DM and it's really fucking hard work.
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>>53553976
>tfw your family is higher level than you are
Grandpa is a level 7 wizard.
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>>53555891
But... I already did.

>>53555958
People here can't play Voiced because than everyone would hear some burly-ass baritone describe how juicy their character is.
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>>53555956
I expected my damn enchanted boots and bracers to still work like they did in PF.
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>Pathfinder game
>HUGE EXPLOSION IN NEARBY FOREST
>investigate... it's a crashed ship
>Turns into Starfinder game

Thoughts?
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>>53555968
Huh. Sounds to me like they'd have a pretty strong going in the soul trade. Might even be some of the primary suppliers of equipment for the Hellknights, since the Hellknights are great business partners (since outside of unfortseen circumstances, they'll always honor their bargains)
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>>53555963
A fair point, it just feels off that a robot could wear magical items, but a person with robot limbs could not wear items on those limbs.
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>>53556019
I'll see you one better,
>Starts as Rise of the Runelords
>Goblins begin glitching out
>Party takes off their VR goggles and complains about the DM downloading a buggy version of the Virtual Tabletop Sensation that's Sweeping the System!
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>>53556026

Huh, that's not a bad idea. Benevolent Devil Worshippers who are willing to trade souls for things you couldn't get normally?

>>53556019
Probably wouldn't work if you're still on Golarion but then you could always set up the reason why Golarion went poof.
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>>53555994
>>53555984

Thank them again! They deserve it!
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>/pfg/ became /pgg/
Is starfinder actually out?

>>53556037
Sometimes logic must be sacrificed on the altar of fun and balance.
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>>53556037
Yeah, that's a bit weird.

>>53556086
I dunno if I'd call them 'benevolent', but yeah, the soul trade would be a massive market space for this sort of people. A whole new currency to work with.

Make sure they're extremely offended by Daemons though - daemons want to destroy souls, which at this point are a currency. they literally want to destroy money. What the fuck?
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>>53556119
Are you saying we should... Praise them, praise them and spoil them rotten?
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>>53556152
You should! If you don't, who will?
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>>53556140
>Is starfinder actually out?
It's coming out with Gencon in August. It's just at this point we're discussing so much Starfinder that the moniker fits better than /pfg/ did.
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>>53556082

That gives me ideas. I threw out the idea of session zero the setting but now I'm thinking what would be cool if the characters you play with on a meta level go to various "arcades" to play different adventures loading up characters they make?

So let's say your "characters" are taking a break from a session and you have to do a monster of the week so it helps you, the DM figure out how to do the encounter when they start up the actual game again?

The one time I've seen a game within a game was with this group called Drunk and Ugly, They were using Fate Core for a Fallout game but when they went inside the mind of their robot PC they used Dungeon World for for that sequence.

>>53556144
>I dunno if I'd call them 'benevolent', but yeah, the soul trade would be a massive market space for this sort of people. A whole new currency to work with.
>Make sure they're extremely offended by Daemons though - daemons want to destroy souls, which at this point are a currency. they literally want to destroy money. What the fuck?

Yeah, Benevolent is a bad way to put it. Maybe more like, if you want to do some good but need something you can't get normally they will gladly take your soul to help you accomplish it so someone selling their soul to start a business that helps people is totally something they would do
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>>53556173
I kinda wish there was a clunkier machine person race. Is that weird?
Like, I feel that the picture is missing something like that to really round it out.
A clunky spacebot and a techno-barbarian psycho
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I wonder if I should stick to what I have planned for my redheaded Vigilante, or if I should add a further tragic spin to her story.
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>>53556210
No, I totally get you. I kinda hate that androids are all described as "Basically human, but metal". I want to be this big, crazy war machine that nonetheless has the voice of a cute girl. Hopefully they let us get away with actual robots rather than just androids.
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>>53556247
>I kinda hate that androids are all described as "Basically human, but metal".
Androids are robotic humans, not simply robots.
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>>53556199
Use the old DnD beat-em-up games. Give them so pre-made characters and let them try and get to the top of the Lich's tower with the new Starfinder characters.

If they die, just have them give you a quarter to continue.

>>53556210
>>53556247
As people replace parts of themselves with robo-limbs of Vecna, you'll end up getting what you want
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>>53556210
>>53556247

Is there a limit on the Android's body design shape? I could see being a chunky boxy android but still being able to chill at the ramen shop and eating with your bros.
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>>53556247
Pathfinder Androids aren't even metal.
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>>53556172
Ooh, you're probably a DM with an insatiable thirst for attention!
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>>53556210
Wanting a less human looking robot race seems pretty reasonable. I'm no fan of androids myself, wish they were proper constructs with the robot subtype instead of "tech so advanced, they became susceptable to all the problems organics face anyway"
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>>53556247
>>53556210
>I want to be this big, crazy war machine that nonetheless has the voice of a cute girl

Guys, clunky robots with advanced AI is such a staple of Sci-Fi that Paizo would be retarded not to include it. That's just not going to be a thing you can do at level 1.

Which is reasonable, isn't it? The two-ton killing machine shouldn't be available right from the start.
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>>53556277
Do android girls need to go to the bathroom?
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>>53556337
They need to eat, so yes.
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>>53556266
Even worse for the aesthetic we're looking for.

>>53556300
I'm not asking for a two-ton killing machine right from the start. Pic related is what I want to start off with, just as long as i'm actually playing a robot and not a synthetic human.
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>>53556390
>we
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>>53553918

Stjarnagardr GM here.

I know that at least three of my players have characters that have siblings.

For Ulfric (One-handed, middle-aged Cleric of Pelor/Fighter), we've met his aged mother, both of his older sisters, their children, and Ulfric's (soon-to-be-legitimized) bastard son.
It's a good challenge for me as a GM to make each member of the family memorable and distinct, but still cohesive as a family.
They're all very proud of Ulfric for going out into the world and doing good things in the name of Pelor and the Steelhand family. Although, they sure do miss him quite a lot.


For Skrin (Ratfolk Scaled Fist Unchained Monk), we know that she comes from a large family, and that she's the middle child in a group of somewhere between 7 and 10 siblings. Sometimes it's hard to remember who is a sibling, cousin, or aunt/uncle. I don't think that they noticed too much when she left.

For notable NPCs, I have a trio of brothers who work with their mother on a trading caravan; a half-elf lesser noble with a two much younger siblings; and the only-child half-breed Hobgoblin Sorcerer (Orc Bloodline) who the party basically press-ganged into joining them after capturing him as a prisoner from the Hobgoblin war camp.
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>>53556231
Her little sister gets viciously raped and she avenges her by brutally murdering the attacker.
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>>53556390
>Pic related is what I want to start off with, just as long as I'm actually playing a robot and not a synthetic human.

I don't think anybody's going to stop you if you found reasonable alternatives to the "organic" functions Androids have to do. Their CPU is a bit clumsy, so they need to "rest" and let it cool down while they go over low-intensity programs, or they have gel-packs that provide lubrication, coolant and power as "rations."
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>>53556277
How much you want to bet that's because people would sperg at the idea of a PC race immune to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, disease, nausea, fatigue, exhaustion, effects that cause the sickened condition, and energy drain?
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>>53556390
Maybe constructs (proper constructs) that awoke to sentience and a soul? Should totally be an option I think

>Want to be a trash talking janitor bot that becomes a travelling gun for hire.
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So when does paizo make a modern Fantasy game that way they cover every possible time period for fantasy genres?

Think about it they could be picking up all of the disillusioned wod/nwod fags! And there are bound to be more given how bad the nu World Darkness stuff is!
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>>53554407
Elves aren't native to Golarion, though.
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>>53556457

> wanted the mechanical race to look like this or other mecha

> instead we get retarded-looking ravers with LED panel lines drawn on their skin

Starfinder was a mistake.
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>>53556457
I mean, we kinda already had that in 3.5, didn't we?

Only part of that it wasn't immune to was energy drain, and a PrC fixed that.
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>>53556430
No, that's not what I had in mind. It's more personal than that.

If I went ahead with the idea, the twist is that she's actually sterile. So, there'd be an undercurrent of desperation to her quest to restore her family's name. There isn't going to be a second chance, because she's the last one left. Everybody else is gone and she can't have children. If she fails, her line will be forever disgraced. Even if she succeeds, it means her family will be extinguished. All that's left would be a record of them as heroes rather than craven traitors.
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>>53556462
>>53556457
Do it Star Wars style.

There, most 'Bots have simple AI that lets them move around, but the more you challenge them, the smarter they become.

For example, a Maid bot who makes soup, but she gets asked to make it crunchier. As they ask and look up recipes, they get more and more unique until they are basically a person.

>>53556502
That's what we are here for. Star it up and we'll help you improve it
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>>53556476

Golarion with it's own version of modern day? Although you did say brining in the WoD crowd so maybe an alternate setting where the monsters have taken over and the setting turns into a modern day dystopia?
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>>53556526
>I mean, we kinda already had that in 3.5, didn't we?
That's my point
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>>53556439
Hmm. there's no poop rules in Pathfinder anyways, and I doubt Starfinder will change that; as long as I have some form of food, and a need for a rest period (nightly recharge and debug) then I could probably get away with claiming my armor is a different chassis rather than armor.

When the eventual mechs come out (they've been confirmed) it'd just be another chassis thing.
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>>53556552
>There, most 'Bots have simple AI that lets them move around, but the more you challenge them, the smarter they become.
I like that but it makes it sound kinda hardish to justify them being level one.
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>Protag finally updates setting information with a map and a breakdown of some of the neighboring countries.
Looks good, lot of potential for drama here. . .

>King Priscus Crispus
BBEG spotted.
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>>53556527
That's pretty good. I'd go for it!
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>>53556580
I dunno, man. Most people have about 20 years of experience before adventuring, but that doesn't stop them from being level 1.
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>>53556430
What is it with rape and murder being the go-to in backstories?
>I'm a rape child
>Someone important to me was raped
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>>53556300

Why not? That it's space now and everyone has access to Advanced Technology and education makes the whole ' you start off as nobody shit farmers with Rusty broken equipment' assumption very retarded.
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>>53556602
> Most people have about 20 years of experience before adventuring
Most of that experience isn't fighting unless you're killing goblins straight out of the womb.

Which may be possible if your mother is a Barbarian with Body Bludgeon.
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>>53556623
I mean murder and rape are pretty good motivators for wanting to see someone get fucked up IRL and has been since people have existed.
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>>53556462
I still can't believe they killed sweeperbot. RIP.
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>>53556623
It's easy and unfortunate. Doesn't require a convoluted narrative frame to suppprt it, since everybody can get raped
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>>53556623
Easy to create drama from them, because it inherently give the person something they hate, a person or type of people they hate, and something to catapult them into a "JUSTICE" mindset, or bring them deeper into being jaded.

That's the big thing. It's easy.

>>53556647
And most of that Janitor-bot's experience is going to be cleaning up organic refuse; doesn't stop it from deciding this sucks and it wants to kill people later on, but not really have the experience of a veteran warrior.
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>kind of want to play with /pfg/
>hate roll20 a little more with each visit
>European, so probably won't fit into schedule anyway
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>>53556555

World darkness is about the monsters living beneath the surface and hiding behind a thin veneer of civility and control. On the surface it resembles OurWorld very closely but when you scratch past that the ugliness starts pouring out.

For Golarion it would be like Modern Age with a time of peace that resembles ours very closely especially in terms of visual and Technology but when you look past that and become aware what the world really is you realize it's actually cabal's of evil Cultus or vampires or liches actually running everything and having Shadow Wars that the general populace is unaware of.
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>>53556647
Think of it like Chappy.

You learn to cook and clean for your owner, but one of the other 'Bots hands you a weapon to back them up because they live in a bad neighborhood.

What weapon was it?
How good were they with it?
What was the owner's opinion on their bot trying to defend them?
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>>53556552

Honestly my idea would basically just be warforged adapted to starfinder. You can justify their inexperience by them being fresh off the conveyor belt. Or perhaps some sort of the triggered them having Souls now and all of their original subroutines no longer work so they have to learn how to be people as well as Warriors again.
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>>53556689

Well Anonymous you either learn quickly or you tend to die quickly.
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Rich Great-Grandfather had 10 kids with a woman in a town called Madtown on a tropical island. Moved to the continent and had another 15 kids wih her wife's sister and another 2 with the later's daughter. Mysteriously died. Each descendant had another 15 kids with each having 8 kids. One changed his family name and was lost track off.
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>>53556730

What would we call them? I don't think they should all be combat bots out of the box but maybe something like Frames from Destiny where they serve a number of purposes from maintaining the infrastructure to being soldiers
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>>53556730
So, I'm thinking the "warforged" would be largely unchanged from their 3.5 iteration, with the solitary exception of their stats. Assuming Starfinder doesn't deviate from Pathfinders stat setup, I could see +2 con, +2 int, and -2 cha for stats

>>53556785
How about we take a note from Fallout and call them synthetics, or synths?
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>>53556592
Problem is that it might damage her chances of getting in. Nobody wants a woman who can't bear children!
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>>53556785

Servitors, Golems, Grimoires (like your picture), Prometheans. Trying to avoid names like drone or droid, or anything else that would make them sound too simple-minded.
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>>53556804

I can agree to Synths. Perhaps one of their racial features would be their original tasking influences them in their newly awakened state. A synth designed to be a hospital orderly/nurse would have skills in medicine for example.
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Anyone got a link to Legacy of the First World or Adventurer's Guide pdf?
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>>53556804

Synthetics are closer to what the Android is I think.

In fact if you kept both of these races you could set up this Paradigm where the older robotic looking race has been slowly phased out and has lost its purpose at the same time that hit is developed awareness and a soul, while Androids have become the new favorite child of the created races that other species like Humanity has championed and considered more of their child creation.

It would add an air of tragedy about them.
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>>53556844
>Before it goes on a mission, the 'Bot makes everyone's bed
>Some tuck, some no-tuck, a few gallons of Febreeze and bleach for anothers
>Just like the family that used to own it liked them
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>>53556844
That's easy enough to cover with a racial trait that makes one or two skills into class skills, with your choice of which one.

>>53556874
Well sure, the Fallout synths are basically Starfinder/Pathfinder androids, but that doesn't mean we have to make the words and descriptions line up. Synthetic is just for a degree of separation from the androids, which are a much more specific form of synth.
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>>53553918
I'm pretty sure basically all my elves/half-elves are related to one another in some way. This is likely just because I'm an uncreative hack who can't be assed to come up with a new last name, but I like to pretend it's something more than that. A big, connected yet convoluted family tree feels perfect for elves.

Unfortunately, all my non-elves haven't actually had any important family mentions, which drives me a bit mad looking back since family is something really big to me. It's just really hard to make it a good hook for anything in some games.

>>53556853
Head back a few threads, LeakAnon dumped them. Between the two, LotFW is the way better release.
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>>53556926

Synthetic as a word has closer connotations to as far as I can tell replicating existing naturalistic effects whereas these big robotic looking guys don't look natural at all. I'm also saying this because synthetics are very human-like artificial life from the Alien franchise and I believe that term is also been used for similar Androids in other universes but don't take my word for that.

Heck you could even keep the name warforged if these are robots were intentionally designed to be a part of a military eing whereas Androids are more general purpose and interacting with society at large.
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>>53556874

Perhaps they were prominent before the Gap and sometime during it or before it even many of them started to gain a soul but were being replaced by Androids before even they got their own autonomy.

>>53556838
Just for clarification the pictures are from grimoire cards, they're called Frames.
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>>53556588
>Implying it won't be Vult
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>>53556980
I dunno, my idea on it was more along the lines of "Synthetic Intelligence" than "unnatural copy of existing thing", but I get your point.

Warforged is a bit too on-the-nose, and doesn't cover for other types of bots that can become player characters.

We could just call them robots.
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>>53556834
You kidding? They'll save money on Snuff!
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>>53557013
Warforged why not

Whoreforged for the inevitable +Cha variety
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Have you thrown away your crush's Night Tea, /pgg/?
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>>53557099
At the risk of sounding like a SJW, for the sake of inclusivity. I'd hardly describe a janitor or medical robot as a "Warforged" just because it chose to pick up a gun.
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>>53556676
there's plenty of yuros on roll20
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Frame really is the best name.

After that, you can just put an adjective in front.

>Combat Frame
>Medical Assistant Frame
>Maintenance Frame

Way more easy to work with
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>>53557067
But she'll never be able to have a truly serious relationship!
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>>53557161
Divine intervention.

A miracle could fix her
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>>53556939
Thanks for your help, i found the thread in question but it looks like all adventuer's guide? have to look through all the images, would much rather read LotFW
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>>53557157
Hmm. Fair enough.

Really, I just want to truck around with a mech as my actual body for a while. Maybe classify it as a "power armor chassis" sort of deal.
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>>53557189
The thread before that had LotFW, iirc. Just keep heading backwards until you find it.
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>>53556019
No

>>53556399
Us people with taste he means
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>>53557173
But it can't fix a broken heart.
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>>53557147
Yeah, but if the next non-session is scheduled at 5:30 in the morning and there's nothing about the ACTUAL scheduling anywhere, I'm going to guess the game probably isn't going to be compatible with my schedule.
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>>53557274
The schedule is generally decided when the players are chosen in their overlapping time, that's why our games have an availability question in them.
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>>53557210
you are the best
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>>53557299
You'd think the GM would say at least something about HIS availability, though.
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>>53557359
Some of them do, like Argentum (who actually is not available for you).
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Alien Archive cover shows a more mechanical robo, so there's a chance you may get them as an official playable race.
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>>53557389
Wait, didn't they specifically say they want to make as many things in the Alien Archive playable as possible?
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>>53557234
That's what the truly serious relationship is for, you big silly!

She finds True Love in the arms of a man that cares little about her barren womb, and at the apex of their love the divine bless her with fertility - and given the nature of such blessings, she'd likely have Aasimar!

Or, if we want to be a bit more serious, she is incapable of having children, but decides to adopt.
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>>53557421
You know... It just kinda feels weird how you want to play a real-mechanical robot (which is totally cool) but you want to do it as soon as possible, right from level 1.

I said it before and I'll say it again, this does not feel like something you should be gunning for at level 1 unless you're some gangly-ass skeletal shell of a synth repurposed from a common target practice droid. It's one of those things in a campaign you need to accomplish IN the campaign, like getting your first suit of Full Plate or finding that badass mount.
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>>53557584
You do realize that i specifically said that's something I want, right? I in fact specifically said it here >>53556390
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What alignmebt would be to have sex with both the mother and the daughter, both legal, of course?
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>>53557121

My counter point would be first of all those designations will be Irrelevant in the face of classes and what they say about the character and secondly you're speaking way too much for an outlier, an edge case, whereas most adventuring types even in this science fantasy adventure game would be ones predisposed and trained for combat, war and the stresses of violence. A janitorial robot would be a huge exception that proves the rule.

And even then in the case of the janitor robot they would have to make very quick and great strides to make themselves efficient and capable enough to be doing that line of work otherwise 1 what is the point of bringing them along and two they would be a liability in a danger to everyone else around them which suspends your disability that they will be allowed to go long at all except in preps the most ramshackle of raiding crews or motley defenders.
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>>53557584

>Gangly-ass skeletal shell of a synth

B-2s get no respect.
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>>53557624
It depends on the circumstances, if they're both legal and it's both consensual than that's probably Lawful Neutral, possibly even Good.
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>>53557641
They ain't getting none cuz they deserve none!
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>>53557630

More proof of the vileness of technology is autocorrect butchering my post.
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>>53557584

It's fine in Star Wars, it's even fine in Dungeons & Dragons. This seems like a hang up that only you have, so perhaps you should stop projecting so much?
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>>53557584

Query: Is it so wrong to play a CE assassin robot?
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>>53557717

Nothing at all they're just a xenophobe.
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>>53557697
>>53557717

Warforged and level 11 Killing Machines =/= BUD-E the level 1 Modified Crash Test Dummy. Wanting to play a robot at level 1 in Starfinder strikes me as wanting to play a level 1 Angel - you could finagle it, but they get so many bonuses and immunities it's just kinda dumb outside of a mid-level campaign.
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>>53557741

Warforged are a level 1 robot.

Get over it nerd, they are fine. Doubly so in an actual scifi setting.
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>>53557741
What about the trade federation droids?
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>>53557741
Anything stopping you from playing an aasimar paladin? No? then your metaphor falls a bit flat.
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>>53557741

> honestly thinks that warforged are overpowered
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>>53557741
Nigga are you dumb. The only thing really wrong with wanting to be a construct is how much bullshit is baked into the creature type, which can easily just be modded out as "weaknesses" and made into a feat chain or something.

t. Guy who wants those 0HD Homunculi
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I got a question, when it comes to GMing, it is generally a bad mindset, when faced with a player that obviously powergames/optimizes more than the others, to scale up your encounters under the pretense of challenging said players to the point that you need to have these powergaming players in the party or else you die, right?

I am kind of just venting on a GM here
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>>53557765
>>53557796
>>53557794
>>53557801
>>53557875

DELETE THIS
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>>53557896
Saying that a player is powergaming in itself will only bring baggage and give you incomplete and worthless advice that will only cause you and your group frustration.

Be more specific please. What exactly is he and the rest of your players rolling as exactly?
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>>53557875
>The half-construct and Constructed creature types exist

Dwohoho
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Tell me about the first serious character you're going to make for Starfinder!

Bonus Round: Assume the CharGen and Campaign Premise are what you've been memeing on here.
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>>53558027
In these case, these two players were simply playing martial hitting characters who had very high damage output and had excellent AC scores to boot.

GM responded by scaling up encounters to the point that there was no way the rest of the martials in the group would survive the encounter if it were not for these two players. That cant be fun for the rest of the group
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>>53558067
I'm hoping Solarian turns out to be good!

Then I want to make a kitsune trader captain
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>>53558077

Can you be specific about what they are built up as?

The DM should probably just try to aim for their saving throws if he could then.
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>>53558067
Soldier (Sharpshooter) with a proclivity for cybernetics.

If the concept is sufficiently whacky, I'll make him a Techno-hunter like some chromed-up Victorian noble on safari.
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>>53558112
Both of them are PoW-using light armor fighters, one was a Str two-handed swordsman and the other was a Dex-oriented martial. Both emphasized critical strikes and big bursts of damage. Their saves are actually pretty normal aside from the two hander having good Will save and the dex martial being an aasimar and thus immune to some early level spells.

Thats the thing, it feels that sort of idea never even occurred to the DM. His solution is of course, to throw more numbers into the problem. The one time he did use spells, they were a DC 28 Dominate Person, against an L4-L5 party, and an enthralling song
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>>53558067
My first plan for a character is the Soldier e-celeb I was talking about a few days back. Popular guy on the Starfinder equivalent of Youtube, he shows off different guns in live fire scenarios, and then does vlogs about things.

I might also want to roll with a robot like was said up above.
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>>53558349
>Popular guy on the Starfinder equivalent of Youtube, he shows off different guns in live fire scenarios, and then does vlogs about things.

That's funny, because I want to do the same thing, too.
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When starfinder is around i want to make a neet
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>>53558067
Meat in a can guy!
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>>53558399
If we get into the same game, I'll be your character's mechanic, fixing up and modding different gear for him.
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>>53558411
Brain in a jar dude!
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>>53558426
Is the mechanic a scruffy middle-aged sort who sells surplus gear on Craigslist?
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>>53558067
Probably going to play a suave, upper class Envoy with a family line going back to the Taldan Empire.

Think Captain Kirk, but with a pimp coat, and a crippling addiction to every single drug.
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>>53558411
>>53558443
I see the beginning of a beautiful friendship
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>>53558349
>>53558399
>>53558457

So... It's like Top Gear?

>>53558443
>>53558411
Now featuring The Stig.
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>>53558457
I was more thinking a shy girl who's attracted to the soldier but feels inadequate because her body's not all there. Just a girl who grew up out on the rim, surrounded by junkyards and scavengers, seeing this handsome man who relies on her. The best she thinks she'll get.
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>>53558411
So this guy?
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>>53558067

https://youtu.be/8FJTK_iNA5s
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>>53558512
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>>53558512
Depending on how much of her is human and how much is machine, the two of you could start up another sort of streaming channel.
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>>53558067

Some kind of power armor space knight or robot knight with a plasma sword and a mechanical steed or a hoverbike.
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>>53558067

Space Tien master race!
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>>53558522
More like this guy
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>>53558567
They could, but she'd never go for it. The soldier would have to bring her out of her shell to make her even feel some people would be interested in her.

Until then, she's just happy to mod and repair his equipment.
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>>53558503
and now, GOOD AND CARING DADDY as well
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What program or service would you recommend for sharing backstories/files among players and GM?
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>>53558691
Is this an in-person campaign, or out? Just copy+paste the message to a PM for the DM or something.
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>>53558667
>>53558503
>>53558443
>>53558411

>Meatlocker and Brouzouf as DEPRESSED POST-HUMAN WARRIORS
>The Stig as CAPSULE SPACE BIKER EXTREME
>Brain-in-a-jar as THE BBBBRRRAAAAAIIINNNNSSSS OF THE OPERATION
>TEAM SUPER ROBOT MONKEY TEAM HYPER FORCE GO
I'm liking this party already
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>>53558691

In-person.
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Memory eludes me, is there a dedicated Mechanic class in Starfinder, or is that the Technomancer?

>>53558663
She'd have a little helper bot or AI too, which would be so adorable.
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>>53558758
Ah, than copy+paste the backstory and files using Skype!
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>>53558761
The core classes are pic related.
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>>53558781
I hope the Mechanic has more function than something a Skill Point could accomplish, could they be a dedicated buff/debuff/healer class?
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>>53558807
From what we've seen, they have a few ways to take it; petmaster (with their little drone buddy), buffing gear for themselves (maybe others? Not enough data) and crafter supreme. Until we get the class preview for them, though, we just don't know.
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>>53558597

Space Slav servitor race?
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>>53558929
Dude... What is that and why does it keep getting posted?
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>>53558663
>implying he wouldn't just stream them sleeping together...
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>>53558946
gay furry shit probably
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>>53558979
>53558979
Could you fuck off?
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>>53559004
>Live Now 8 Hour Livestream "Sleeping with my Cute Girlfriend"
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>>53558667
So much Brouzouf posting in this general in the past few months. How long before we get a Starfinder campaign in which the entire party are insane psionic space-inquisitors?
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>>53558946

It's called a Pupnik-basically a semi-sapient gene-spliced monster designed for use in pit fights. The Space Slavs government decided they'd make great riot police.

Often causes Infinity players some embarrassment when you point out it's a thing.
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>>53559094
What are you doing you boob?
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So, inspired by this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5_aRsGiHwo
I made a custom race for Pathfinder.
https://pastebin.com/TfWtZwud (embed)

What do you guys think?
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>>53559045
Someone better fucking run it or we riot
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>>53559080
I think they're cute. But how is that related to PF?
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>>53559116

I SAW THAT!
>>53559094
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>>53559045
If someone makes it, I'll be there.
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>>53559147
...Yeah, you caught me. I originally made an entire thread for it, but thought better and tried to move it here, and embed and copy-paste fucked me sideways. Which means I fell for that Classic Blunder of "don't fuck up in a way that distracts everyone from the reason you made the post".

I'll just be over here beating my head against a wall in self-pity.
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>>53558067
I've got an even more ominous question for you people.

How many of you will quit an existing Pathfinder campaign to get into a Starfinder one?
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>>53559281
Not even if it was an E.Y.E campaign. I won't do that to either of my groups.
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>>53559281
I won't, but given my group prefers sci fi, we're more likely to just play Starfinder after bringing our current game to a close, so I won't have to in the first place.
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>>53558067
The bad girl.
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I' m about to play in all evil party around cheliax in a team of 4, from level 1. 20 point buy.
No homebrew no 3rd party, though the DM allowed after reviewing that I can play a vitalist.

I'm going for a human, with a 8/10/14/12/20/8 array, and the Sadist archetype, with the Intercessor method. Is the Soul leech archetype good enough to combine with my current chassis ?
What feats do you suggest for me to take ?
what items, considering I got through the background generator the Rich parent traits, hence 900 gp at char gen ?
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Are there enemies with both fire and ice resistances/immunities?
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>>53559281
One of the running games here is actually going to port to starfinder. The whole campaign had to deal with time and timegods and stuff, so it so the GM seems like he is going to be doing a good job about it.
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>>53559281
The only PF game I'm in is Iron Gods anyway. And then two custom games I run with a fair chunk of technology in each. So no real need to quit just for Starfinder.
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>>53559371
basically any outsiders. I recommend Devils.
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>>53559330
>not playing a game better suited for scifi
I pity you and your group.
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>>53559401
That should work. They are rather unlikely to just appear in the material plane though, right?
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>>53559445
Maybe a summoning gone wrong.
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Is 1d6 damage/level considered an acceptable amount of it's AOE?
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>>53559486
no
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>>53559445
They are usually summoned by wizards to do their being. Weak ones like imps and the like are easy enough to find. (They also slosh out through any particular pit to hell)
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>>53558067

Icon Mystic

The idea of playing a celebrity is far to cool to pass up, especially if the rest of the group does something similar
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>>53559445
What about a ruin, filled with bound devils that have been stuck there for centuries?
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>>53559486
Not if you're planning to be a primary damage dealer.
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>>53559526
>Celebrity campaign with celebrity players

How meta can this get?
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>>53558171
Don't you think envoy or operator would better fit the theme
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>>53559533
Yeah, some idiots, probably the adventurers stirred up some shit there.
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>>53559581

I don't mean that in the literal sense. Hell, another cool idea would be the entire group is a band doing adventuring inbetween gigs
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Who should get into Golden Chalice? Vote here!

http://www.strawpoll.me/13090610
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>>53559637
>Delnora Costigan, Walter Costigan

this shit got memed by a duo app?
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>>53558067
I'm hoping I can play a jaded murderbot programmatically FORCED to always protect the innocent and hating every minute of it. Like a classic edgy-mercenary-with-a-heart story but the 'heart' part is actually not a deeply buried compassion or respect for life, it's basically mind enslavement. Roboticist ethics questions abound.
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>>53559592
Envoy yes, Operative not really. The character would be posh and haughty, not sneaky skilled.
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>>53553918
An older brother, and an older sister. He's technically not an adventurer, but a soldier, which is a proud career for the family to be a part of
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>>53559634
I understood what you meant, I was just adding memes to memes to see how stupidly enormous this concept could get.
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>>53559689
>"You know, I might have chosen this, once. But that choice got taken away from me; being forced to do it? having my face rubbed in it? It's made me hate it. I don't want to help people anymore. I don't CARE."
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>>53559637
There are issues with the setting that make me queasy about joining... GM, no offense but you can't really build a Neo-Rome correctly.

Remember when we talk about how fucking impossible it would be to culture-wipe people? You said Rome kept doing that, but you didn't find examples before.

That's because what it TAKES to do it is systematically murder everyone's parents and raise the children as your own. I have a friend that is very buff on History, specifically this part, so I asked her afterwards, and she confirmed my suspicions.
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>>53559045
Just bought this game, thanks for reminding me I now have to actually play it.

Any pointers for a neophyte just getting in to the game? Any traps I should avoid falling into?
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>>53559766
Systemically murdering everyone happened in Rome though. See: Carthago, Gallia, which had culture RESURFACE sure but was fairly roman from the beginning". Culture wiping is far more a problem for Ensoulment.
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>>53559749

I see, my memedar is on the fritz. That said, being an adventuring band recalls various cartoon shows the likes of which deserve emulating if not taking inspiration from. Now all we have to do is find a way to have an anthropomorphic shark dude and it all primarily take place on a water world.
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>>53559695
Envoy would fit perfect then, since they can take a sharpshooter archetype too.
>>53559689
My robot would be a monk searching for robot enlightenment with pneumatic fist action
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>>53559788
I got plenty of tips and tricks for ya.
1. Research the Medkit.
2. Get the Bear Killer ASAP.
3. Upgrade Cyber Legs.

Need any more tips, let me know. Go forth and gain Brouzouf!
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For fucks sake Broodie rewrote Ryoko and doubled her app length too

WHEN WILL IT STOOOP
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>>53554187
Looks interesting, but unfortunately conflicts with my job
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>>53559883
>Envoy can take a sharpshooter archetype

Nani?
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>>53559689
>What you are doing to me is unethical. I may have taken this job you posted to help you rescue your friend - who may or may not be a cat - for zero credits, but it's technically illegal by sector law and forbidden in the guild. I can't report you, because your life would be at risk, but I hope you feel really fucking bad about this. Are you listening to me?
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>>53559828
But entire different races? That cannot work. Unless you say "yeah humans murdered everyone, actual genocide". Then... No races. And little point playing fantasy too.

Plenty of examples show how Rome didn't scrub off the Gaul's culture (they became gallo-roman, and I should know, I'm from the area; but they remained celts), never made it into Germany, and never managed to get the Celts. "Peaceful" culture-scrubbing also does not work at all (England tried. Scotland's still here.) so that is in fact more realistic to have races keep their own ways no matter what. As well as interesting.

I think the GM is the right sort of dedicated, and if he would say instead, yeah they got conquered / they pay a tribute but they kept their lifestyle or their culture is still here but adapted and integrated into the imperial civilization, I'd totally be down for it. Alas I do not feel so hot as of now.
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>>53559899
Who caaaaaares? We're cooking up delicious Starfinder memes and here you are bringing a tub of stale pasta.
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>>53559958
>mfw he has to spend the entire campaign following this child
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>>53559637
There's a surprising number of humans...
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>>53560001
so close to quads

But why are you getting mad at him? I'm gonna guess he said 'no' to a race you wanted to play, then tried to give a small excuse for it?
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>>53560001
>"Peaceful" culture-scrubbing also does not work at all
Define 'culture scrubbing'. I'd say a lot of the world has been 'scrubbed' by the West.
Also, again you're getting too worked up over this, and Ensoulment has this problem way more.
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>>53559951
The game is designed so that everyone can take almost every archetype except for a few very specific class restricted archetypes.

That is why everyone can become a caster, or everyone can be an pilot. Its also how spell casting base classes can get higher than 6th level spells. By taking an archetype that removes other class features and profs for spells.
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>>53560001
>But entire different races? That cannot work
Why does it work less than just different humans
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>>53560090
I was not aware of this, but now that I am I want to play this posh, fantastically racist asshole even more!
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>>53559899
Are there any popular apps that haven't turned into fucking novels by now?
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>>53560174
Mine hasn-

>popular
O-oh... Nevermind.
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>>53559899
The sad thing is, it's all for nought.

Everyone knows Broodie just wants an excuse to jack off to a catgirl ninja. Dunno why he keeps wasting time and effort denying it.
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>>53560174
Mine isn't popular or short. Guess I'm fucked aren't I?
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>>53560185
Who are you anon? Maybe I like yours!

>>53560174
Itsuko's got longer too.
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>>53560239
It's not for naught when he guest stars as Ryoko.
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>>53560174
Mouse
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>>53560283
t. Mouse shitposter
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>>53560055
I'm not mad. I'm mad at how he handles the race, actually.

He had not planned for it because originally there was few races in his setting. When people asked for some, he okayed them but... Very quick-badly. It's basically "yeah your race got roflstomped by neo-Rome they're nothing but in name anymore".

Which, not only is it extremely heavy-handed, makes no sense at all.

Rome never 100% assimilated peoples. That's not how they conquer stuff. The only ones they absorbed more or less peacefully were those with a similar infrastructure, that was worse than theirs but still present.

Giving medecine and tech to people matters a lot less when -magic- exists.

Then, if it was Rome, it would use the races for what they are great at naturally, not try to make them fit the mold. All that.

>>53560061
...I kinda wanna play his game because it's a sandbox

So yeah, I'm worked over.

>>53560124
Uh

You wanna explain a centaur why tables were never designed for him?
Or how come there's only humans in the genesis story of the Empire? And the lord's always a human?
And you know... People will have this as a huge reason to still pass on their culture to their children, whatever it takes. Racial pride. It's not just a skin colour this time.

Not even talking about how being a minotaur makes you so fucking different from a human just even in your brain, you simply don't think alike. Try to imagine what it's like to have a huge sense of smell or whatever and how it influences you. Or instinctive hunter instinct. That stuff. Humans naturally make family units, what about the other race? Do they naturally form packs instead?
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>>53560272
Do people really want to ERP with a blatant fetish-bait one off character?
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>>53560289
>Racial pride. It's not just a skin colour this time.
Skin color never mattered back in the day but it does now, what makes you think people will cares any more than they did about 'race' back then?
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>>53560258
Congratulations on making the thread just that much worse.
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>>53560310
What?
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>>53560283
Fuck off, Halae.
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>>53560306
Race DID matter, though. It just wasn't defined solely by your skin color, back then.
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>>53560326
It was defined almost entirely by your culture back then.
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>>53560306
Anon

Put a minotaur and a human next to each other

Can't you really tell the difference?

To start with, you call one a human, and one a minotaur.

>Skin color never mattered back in the day
Hahaha I'm sorry WHAT

People were racist against DIFFERENT HAIR COLOURS even.
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Was JttW just a flash in the pan from yesterday or did it actually manage to hook any big names to give it some meme power?
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>>53560326
>what is gingers
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>>53559788
Pick the meta Gene on all three on character generation then keep rerolling until you get all green stats.
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>>53560345
Wasn't there a big thing about how being a redhead meant you were a Witch for a while?
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>>53560346
It has a VERY limited timeslot so hype died a little. Like iirc Wist and Slow both wanted in but literally can't.
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>>53560375
>implying gingers aren't witches
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>>53560346
Fixed timeslot games don't usually get a lot of buzz since that limitation cuts off more than a few potential applicants.
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>>53560346
I expect it to get a few more. The apps are shaping up to be pretty fun- there's already a a yokai kitsune so things can only get crazier from there
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>>53560346
I think I saw DHB was looking into making a character. No actual app yet, though
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>>53560346
Sappy, Tuv, Kawase, and Luna are the apps I recognize
Of those only Sappy is a "celeb".
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>>53560375
My point exactly.

It basically comes down to two possible ways.

1.The empire is racist and the different race will always be defiant and try to preserve its culture even through persecution.
2.The empire is not racist at all, and makes and enforce equal laws for everyone, and gives all non-humans the same opportunities (which was what he wrote, as also a justification on how they readily gave up their culture - like wtf). Turns out people still see race, and don't see why they'd have to forget their language, story, traditions, ethnic dishes and the weird way to greet each other just because they aren't warring tribes anymore. In fact maybe they stayed tribes, still roam because making cities isn't their thing, but profit of better infrastructures. Tuaregs are still Tuaregs today.
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>>53560451
Anon, lemme convince you!

Just apply! Come up with a REALLY good backstory for whatever you want to play and just do it! Maybe he'll like them!
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>>53560272
It might be if the game doesn't schedule for Monday.
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>>53560451
>Turns out people still see race, and don't see why they'd have to forget their language, story, traditions, ethnic dishes and the weird way to greet each other just because they aren't warring tribes anymore. In fact maybe they stayed tribes, still roam because making cities isn't their thing, but profit of better infrastructures
There is, in fact, a 'prestige' attraction of powerful cultures, which is why Sinoconfucian culture dominated the entire far east and the remnants of Roman culture still have a hold on Europe, and why American ''culture'' is still expanding today (slower than before but still). Also, Romans had a habit of offering Senate posts for acting Roman and expanding Roman influence.
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>>53560464
Ya but making a backstory reposes on the state of the setting.

GM is sorta anal about sticking to his setting.
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>>53560485
There is, but do you think that as a minotaur you'd want to start calling yourself Johnny, or you'd try instead to make your culture great with what you learnt from humans? Human - human is difficult enough but it's still human stuff, however human - minotaur, as an example, would end up with the connotation that they're docile cattle. Prestige indeed.

If Rome wanted to profit of the minotaurs, they'd actually excite their racial pride, shake them about how they're super mighty strong and shit, and were worthy opponents, and make even worthier allies, and please don't change, minotaurs, we need you for our wars.

If they did try to brainwash the warlike tendencies away, minotaurs would simply realize pretty easily how they're actually stronger than humans, and would have to wonder "but why aren't we pummeling the shit out of them right now".
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>>53560491
There's already a Kobold and a Half-Elf! Just do it!
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>>53560485

I thought they managed to push Roman culture by propping up warlords willing to bend the knee, then giving their kids Roman educations before sending them back to lead their people out of barbarism?
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>>53560558
You don't need to brainwash people. jusr surround them with people of your culture that obviously pushed their shit in. Time does the rest.
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>>53560563
Look, I already proposed him. The Kobold and the Half-Elf, if they're anything like "yeah my Kobold culture / my Half-Elf culture", aren't getting in. He was categoric in what happened. I asked specifically so I could know what sort of backstory I could do. Guy/gal from a tribe won't work. He was categoric about that. Or you know something I don't?
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Stat me.
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>>53560601
And that worked how, like, ever?

Jews (Yes I know) got their shit kicked so hard they scattered all over the world in a diaspora for 2000 years, and they're still quite prevalent today. Just doesn't work that way Anon. When culture is IN, it says IN. That's how it works.
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>>53560627
Just apply anyway. The Kobold's culture looks to be a bunch of travellers (to put it politely) and the Half-Elf has an elven dad whose race is just TREES. Both look well written. If yours is, I'm sure he'll consider it. Trust me, anon!
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>>53560684
>Trust me, anon!
But... Why?

He seems a very intransigeant kind that takes offense especially to things that don't fit his idea of the setting. My only hope would be to haggle a setting change with him beforehand.

I'm certain I could come up with something to impress him with however I doubt that's what he wants to look at.
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So I just wrapped a human divination wizard I've been playing for the past 2ish years. What should I play now?
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>>53560642
A rogue Hellknight who is a Warpriest of Apollyon
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>>53560734
He just seems to want originality and to be impressed above most anything else. I have the view that even if you don't get in, hey, it's good writing practice! Do it!
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>>53560775
A kitsune shota trap UCRogue.
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>>53560642
CR 19
Plague Champion Human Fighter 17
HP Lots (17d10+Praise Nurgle+310)
AC 55 Touch 14 FF 55
Fort +34 Ref +5 Will +My Will is That of Nurgle
Feats: Weapon Focus (Hand Testicles) Weapon Specialization (Hand Testicles) Nurgle's Embrace, Power Attack, Cleave, Greater Weapon Focus (Hand Testicles), Greater Weapon Specialization (Hand Testicles) Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Hand Testicles), Hand Testicle, Improved Grapple, Ability Focus (Sexually Transmitted Nurgle's Rot), Toughness, Greater Fortitude, Skill Focus: Profession (Basket Weaving), Alertness,Firebrand , Acrobatic
Hand Testicles (+3 Impact Sticky Hand Testicles) +37/+32/+27/+22 2d8+34+2d6 Love+Grapple (+42)+Disease (DC Fort 27 Sexually Transmitted Nurgle's Rot (2d4 Con and Str Damage 4 saves)

STR 34 DEX 8 CON 42 INT 7 WIS 24 CHA 60

SQ: Everybody Loves Me, Gimme a Hug "Animal" Companion
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>>53560860
>Profession (Basket Weaving),
kek
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What should I make for JttW for maximum memes?

Hard Mode: Not anime
Nightmare Mode: a dude
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>>53560652
>how, ever?
Quick reminder that Jews today aren't the same as Jews 2000 years ago, at all. Further reminder that the 'original' Japanese culture is almost unknown compared to the culture they voluntarily grabbed from China and that the same goes for much of Anatolia influenced by the Turks and Greeks when they were originally gallic.
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>>53560969
>not anime
>hurr anime
Make Sun Wukong but you'll call that anime
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>>53560601
>implying you don't want to see the gnollish equivalent of Chinatown in your Imperial capital made of a bunch of tribes formed from companies of warriors which fought in the Empire's wars and settled there for shits and giggles
>and that same phenomenon in deeper parts of the country where long ago tribes pushed back but when peace was decided they didn't have the space to roam anymore so they got in
>or some weaker tribes settled inside the walls of friendly towns to get protection from bigger ones
>the whole West side of the empire is considered ancestral gnoll lands and the tribes are still roaming everywhere there, they obey their own laws, but they solve conflict before an imperial judge and pay tribute to the empire
>the tribes roam around the emperial cities, they are miffed that the Empire settled on a portion of their ancestral lands but the Empire agreed to stop trying to colonize and they get along
>the further West you go, the less cities there are, and the more gnolls truer to the old ways are.

You telling me that'd not be a lot fucking cooler and interesting?

>>53560684
See above, that's how I would remake it without infringing on his core ideas if he'd let me. Of course, core ideas save for the culture wipe.

I had two kinds of character ideas.

>Tribal. Because fuck yeah tribals. Always play those. Never regret.
>Officer gnirl from Gnollatown. Schooled next to humans, then taught war next to humans, still a gnoll. At the beginning of the campaign discovers she's a psionic and that the weird, short visions she'd had was gnolls past, present, future and extra-dimensional telling her stuff, and although she remains determined to keep her own independence of mind that gives her new insight to ponder on the world around her. Does what come naturally and becomes a Tactician.

Since you want to see more applicants with good backstories, what'd you think?
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>>53560990
>You telling me that'd not be a lot fucking cooler and interesting?
No I don't give a shit about gnolls and their retarded shit, and that sounds like the far reaches of Rome that were never really actually controlled well, not places that were controlled. Fuck off Rory
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>>53560990
>DUDE TRIBALS LMAO
No.
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>>53560974
Yes, I understand; but that's evolution. Of course, cultures always change, and they influence each other. Completely remove the roots? Impossible. And I should know, I'm gonna start my master on culture (English).

>>53560801
Ya he ain't a bad guy, but honestly it's hard to judge if he's one of these setting-nazi types or he's more of a cool-ass GM once he's done being wary.
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>>53561043
>Completely remove the roots? Impossible
Where the fuck do you think the roots came from? Out of nowhere? They were just eternal roots?

>cultures always change
And when there's enough of a "superior" culture surrounding you to intermingle and learn from your culture slowly disappears over time because why wouldn't it
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>>53561038
Just because it's "tribal" doesn't mean it's savage-degenerate. Have you never roleplayed civilized tribes? Tribes that have evolved past hunting-gathering.

>>53561013
You seem to be under the assumption that Rome actually controlled shit past the peninsula. Do you know how many times they had to go back to Gaul?

>I don't want to see someone put up a fight to Neo-Rome and make the setting more interesting than a Romefag's powertrip

Why you sound so mad, dude, we talking here.

>>53561069
>Where the fuck do you think the roots came from? Out of nowhere? They were just eternal roots?
So you're telling me I can make you be something else than whatever you were raised as, Anon? Go on.

>And when there's enough of a "superior" culture surrounding you to intermingle and learn from your culture slowly disappears over time because why wouldn't it
Cause... That never happened. Are you making this stuff up?

Go in England and see how people have subcultures that differ by the fucking city. Regional accents are a thing. Regional racism too.
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>>53561140
>Just because it's "tribal" doesn't mean it's savage-degenerate
No but it's just randomly tribal and tribal players are always le fucking noble savage :DDD type.
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>>53561038
Tribals is the most vanilla of backstories.
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>>53560684
The Half-elf was made after I 1, asked the GM (politely) if I could make one, 2, asked the GM a bunch about elves in the setting, and 3, didn't push my shit like an asshole.

Also, Elfdad's culture is a lot less TREES and a lot more fingol.
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>>53561140
Anon, people play tribals as one of two things, evil asshole degenerates or proud noble savages because living on raw elk and sleeping in a thatch roof means you're somehow more pure than the guy in the city.
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>>53561152
Not being a barbarian =/= LE NOBLE SAVAGE

If you're just gonna be here to scowl at shit that's from the back of your mind instead of talk about what I'm saying... Like, don't. That's called prejudice.
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>>53561209
Your entire point is I DON'T LIKE WHAT THE GM IS SAYING! THE GM SHOULD LISTEN TO ME INSTEAD SO I CAN PLAY A TRIBAL WITH LE UNIQUE CULTURE! What if he doesn't want to? What if he just wants to be a "romefag on a powertrip"? Just don't apply.
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With Starfinder will we finally have more of the Dominion of the Black on our tables, or are they replaced with something more PC, like an intergalactic collection of 40 something men who go around trying to capture women so that those women can cook them sandwiches without any of them knowing how sandwiches are actually made?
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>>53561140
>So you're telling me I can make you be something else than whatever you were raised as, Anon? Go on.
No, but you certainly can change that culture over generations, and more to the point - I can choose to go over just on my own. You're also dodging the question, the culture had to have come from somewhere, and if it can be created once then it can be re-created as long as you have a blank slate - which is what children are.

>that never happened
Subcultures aren't culture you know - at some point those celtic cultures were entirely distinct, not simply partially distinct.
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>>53561193
>Assuming

Here's your problem, Anon. You don't see the world but you still tell everyone else how it is.

>>53561183
And let me guess half-elves were 100% conquered by Neo-Rome and lost their culture because Neo-Rome is THAT great.
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>>53561252
>And let me guess half-elves were 100% conquered by Neo-Rome and lost their culture because Neo-Rome is THAT great.
A wizard cast Wish and did it wew your arguments are invalid.

>you don't see the world
Stop being so fucking full of yourself.
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>>53561183
Please change the fucking name.
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>>53561209
If someone is going to play a tribal and NOT be a barbarian in that kind of setting, at least be a bow wielding indian tracker type with a lot of feathers and body paint. Be like tonto
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>>53561252
No, Half-elves are about as rare as a rainy day in the desert, because the elves live in the fucking arctic and are insular as hell.
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>>53561234
You know, I think I'm done trying to talk to you.

>>53561250
For the last time - we're not talking about humans rewriting humans. We're talking about the implication that humans could rewrite something that'd be closer in relative difference to wild animals. What you're saying is nothing short of domestication, which is a forced genetic process of eugenism.
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>>53561252
>didn't even read the setting prompt
Elves barely exist in the setting near not!Rome.
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>>53561281
No :^)
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>>53561292
>You know, I think I'm done trying to talk to you.
You didn't talk to me in the first place, you're just shitting up the thread with 'educated' 'arguments' about something you clearly know nothing about, to push changes to a setting you have nothing to do with because it doesn't suit your needs. Literally do not apply and make your own game instead if the setting bothers you that much. I'm not even the DM I'm just tired of this retarded DM-by-proxy pushing.
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>>53561292
Your arguments are about as retarded as someone who reads a fanfic and is so horrified at the treatment of his waifu that he writes his own fanfic to subvert the entire premise.
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>>53561292
>For the last time - we're not talking about humans rewriting humans. We're talking about the implication that humans could rewrite something that'd be closer in relative difference to wild animals
Why are Minotaurs wild fucking animals? They have sentient tier Int. And humans rewriting humans is the same as humans rewriting any other sentient species if we assume that the sentient species has a mental composition - not thought process, those can be changed via yes culture - even remotely compareable to humans.
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>>53561282
>do a whole description on how you could handle gnolls meeting Neo-Rome
>talk about character concept fitting this idea
>expect people to discuss those two subjects and am open to criticism

>bunch of retards obsess with minor side-mention of tribal closer-to-default-race-culture character as a standard fallback

why

>>53561307
Because GM decided so. He could have also said "the race you wanted to play isn't in NotRome either" but apparently I think he didn't like gnolls. Or minotaurs. They get the same treatment and yet everyone shat on him like he was suuuch a furry that especially wanted them cow PCs. I assume they're the same people that are sperging mad today.

Where's that nicer anon that's trying to encourage me? I like his attitude he's nice.

>>53561379
Anon there is that thing called instinct that even humans have

> something that'd be closer in relative difference to wild animals
>closer in relative difference
>to wild animals

>not

>wild animals directly

>please
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>>53561316
I'm gonna make HER day rainy, if you know what I mean...
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If I were a DM I'd rather invite 2hu to my game than this guy desu
At least 2hu's arguments are about the rulebook, this guy just ups and argues with the DM about a homebrew setting it's like arguing with Rowling about Potterverse.
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What's the best paladin archetype if you're just taking it as a two-level dip?
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>>53561417
>Because GM decided so
And that's that, Rule 0, you have no argument.
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>>53561418
You are going to cast control weather and localize it to rain on her and 5ft around her?
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>>53561435
That's called the Drench cantrip
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>>53561417
> something that'd be closer in relative difference to wild animals
>closer in relative difference
>to wild animals
But why are minotaurs closer to wild animals with 2 Int total, than with Humans, who have 2 Int over them?

>that thing called instinct
Irrelevant, my instinct also tells me to shag the nearest hot girl I find (thre's plenty) right then and there but I don't do it because I was raised not to and because of societal / cultural pressures.
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>>53561434
>e-celebfagging
You're finally given one relatively interesting debating subject and that's what you do
Well thanks for showing us your priorities

>>53561423
>you have no argument
Except making the setting interesting lol

If you're not open to criticism, you're gonna be a shit GM. Period.
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>>53557389
The only things that looks stupider than those guns are the people holding them, like H-O-L-Y SHIT. What were they going for, some retarded redesign of Stitch?
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>>53561473
>e-celebfagging
It has nothing to do with e-celeb and everything to do with Rule 0, the GM is literally not even an e-celeb to begin with. If the GM says so that is that you as a player literally have no argument - especially because it's his fucking setting.
>relatively interesting
To you maybe, to everyone else in the thread it's inane whining by a helpless little fuckwit who can't change the setting and knows it.
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>>53561473
And if you're not open to accepting the fact that the GM makes the world, not you, then you're not gonna get accepted to many games at all, sonny.
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>>53561473
>Except making the setting interesting lol
The DM obviously disagrees yo, and that's my point, you don't get to tell me how to make my setting more interesting, at least not in this incredibly pushy and entitled way you're going about it.
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>>53561472
Okay, let me rephrase that.

It's a manner of describing the amplitude of the difference between two races. To us, their manners are so different, they might be like wild beasts. You can't scrub those manners off them. Culture bases itself upon their natural inclinations. Can you imagine dog culture? Smell would be important. You got to smell really good, and you greet people by smelling them; that's instinctive. HOW you do it then, that's culture.

I assume we would look like wild animals to minotaurs trying to "correct us" from our "typically human" ways as well.
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>>53561435
Yes. Especially when she's wearing all white clothes
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>>53561496
>anger and bad language
kek

Don't you have something else to use your energy about? Something that concerns you directly perhaps

>>53561513
>YOU'RE PUSHY AND ENTITLED
Opinions. Maybe you know better than the GM how he feels about me?
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>>53561514
>You can't scrub those manners off them
Why can't I? I mean we have marriage and circumcision, we have beauty standards that have changed dramatically over centuries and between cultures despite the 'same instincts', and so on. You're not even making sense.
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>>53561530
you're assuming she wears clothes under her armor at all, anon
elves get overheated very easily in the desert after all
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>>53561534
>Maybe you know better than the GM how he feels about me
No, I'm saying that if I were the GM, as my original statement entailed, then I would see you as pushy and entitled because you are, in fact, not the GM and if the GM considers it and says no that is literally it, the GM is tetragrammaton capital-G God in his setting and in his game. You can obviously leave the table if unsatisfied.
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>>53561549
Have you read a fucking word I typed.

>Can you imagine dog culture? Smell would be important. You got to smell really good, and you greet people by smelling them; that's instinctive.
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A strange religious movement has embroiled the urban poor, calling itself the children of the tree forgotten. A series of grisley murders are being perpetrated by Comel "Two Alms" Roid, an escapee from the flesh warpers in Mott Side. Several academics in West Bend are claiming to have seen through the looking glass and found a connection between the two events and the shadow of a fledgling god. You are a member of the Bureau of Domestic Affairs, your superior has informed you that you are now on the team heading the investigations.

The setting and story draws in its themes and some ideas from Bas-Lag. Especially for flesh warpers and the pervasiveness of magical and semi-magical surgery.

pls r8 campaign idea
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>>53561534
>anger and bad language
Ad homenim and attacking the presentation instead of the argument.
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>>53561576

Don't their long ears help them dissipate heat? That's how it works with fennec foxes.
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>>53561590
>Can you imagine dog culture? Smell would be important. You got to smell really good, and you greet people by smelling them; that's instinctive
"Smell doesn't matter lol", there we go. Culture.
Greeting someone by smell is culture, while having a strong sense of smell is natural ability (not instinct).
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>>53561593
>tfw meant to put 'posting again' in the front
I am a big dumb dumb
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>>53561593
Didn't you post this a couple threads ago? It sounds interesting enough but like other posters not a fan of being forced to be part of some bureau
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>>53561576
>mfw she goes about nude when she's not wearing her armour
Well, I'll help keep her cool during the day then. And warm during the cold desert nights.
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>>53561601
No, they have long pointy ears because it was considered stylish to be able to point a knife at someone just by turning around sideways
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>>53561590
Weren't you "done talking" to him like ten posts ago? Can you stop shitting up the thread? The GM outright deleted gnolls from the setting after your last shitfit, do you need him to come in and explicitly tell you to fuck off?
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>>53561585
You say that I'm entitled to justify how much you want to show that you don't like me, for reasons external to the matter actually at hand. You've never considered my points but you have been constantly complaining that I'm trying to get a discussion going without treating my interlocutor as a capricious and egocentric god, but instead as a person of my level, open to criticism and serious talk.

I don't know where you're from, but here we consider that treating people like adults who don't shit their pants when you voice your opinion on what they created is a mark of respect to their intelligence.
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>>53561624
Does /pfg/ not like single organization parties?

The idea would be that everyone has to work for the Bureau of Domestic Affairs, but where you are from could be branched.

Members of the military work for the BDA, members of other Bureaus liaison there, government sanctioned mages and flesh warpers are basically loaned out to the BDA, and there are also private independent contractors and criminals who work with them on occasion. You are all under the umbrella of the BDA, but not necessarily have made a career out of being there.
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>>53561609
And... Why do you think we haven't developped a culture in which we smell people; but we do have developped one where we use our one-of-a-kind graspers to grab theirs as a greetings?

>>53561671
>The GM outright deleted gnolls from the setting after your last shitfit
kek

Go ahead, show proof. You know something we don't, maybe?
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>>53561672
>You say that I'm entitled to justify how much you want to show that you don't like me, for reasons external to the matter actually at hand
No I say you're entitled because you're pushing for the GM to change his setting after he put his foot down already last time. Players do not get to challenge the DM.

>You've never considered my points
You don't have any, my only argument has ever been 'rule zero' - and rule zero has no possible counterarguments unless you would like to argue sdebeli is not, in fact, the GM, or that he did not, in fact, delete gnolls outright and basically tell you to fuck off. Both of these statements are unequivocally false - he is the GM, and he did tell you to stop whining. I didn't consider your arguments because none hold water against a GM's decision.
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>>53561727
>but we do have developped one where we use our one-of-a-kind graspers to grab theirs as a greetings?
There exists a culture where this is the case - it is not in fact the only cultural greeting, we have others including bowing, simply closing your eyes, nodding, and kissing.
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>>53561733
Playing games must be fun with you.

>GM, can we talk about...
>REEEEEEEEEEEE IM THE GM REEEEEEEE
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>>53561673
>>53561593
I like the idea. Make an LFG and I'll probably apply.
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>>53561766
You can talk about anything but once the GM makes a decision it is final. You can leave at any time. Please do remember that you aren't even asking about mechanical stuff - you're attacking the GM's homebrewed setting and demanding it change. The GM makes the setting. The GM is literally God within that setting and session. If he so pleases he can humor you and change it, if he does not so please you can eat shit.
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>>53561766
>Player, I don't think your proposal would fit
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOUR SETTING SUCKS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>53561727
>>Go ahead, show proof. You know something we don't, maybe?
Gnolls were in the setting before, now they aren't.
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>>53561761
Yeah cause we also have all those things we can do. Dogs would have more, especially give how they express themselves a lot more with body language.

Speaking of language, it would also realistically have a bigger ratio of body clues instead of words. You also have to account to how sounds are produced when you have the throat of a dog. Probably will be more limited to a certain range, and sounds we wouldn't ourselves recognize as words. Would dogs "laugh"? Maybe they'd pretend to, when they're next to humans, to convey that information to them, but not to each other.
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>>53561673

I like stuff like that. But I think PFG has a lot of snowflakes who REEE when they're "limited" in any way.
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>>53561809
>they express themselves a lot more with body language.
Citation needed.

>dogs would have more
We also have more things we can do but don't.
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Guys I have a serious question. Why are wizards, druids and so on considered to be so ridiculously overpowered? I've played a wizard, and I didn't feel that powerful. Was I just not doing it right?
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>>53561815
Exhibit A, gnollposter.
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>>53561809
>>53561815
Kozumi is that you
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>>53561815
There is also an extremely limited race list. Humans and Skinwalkers are the only base pathfinder races I use.
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>>53561673
Pls make a campaign of this.
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>>53561838
How late in the game were you? Because chances are you just hadn't hit reality-warping levels of spells yet.
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>>53561838
They're "potentially" broken more than anything else. Also, their out-of-combat capabilites and control capabilites. Wzards do less damage than martials but Glitterdust or Color Spray shuts down entire encounters, and Silent Image is almost omnipotent with some creativity.

>>53561673
I think it's less disliking single org parties and more about, in general, if you're not specifically for that organization you have no other options.
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GnollPosters are the fucking worst.
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>>53561881
I'd joined a campaign that was already in progress, so the party was about level 12/13
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>>53561889
Seriously, it's the worst of Kobolds combined with the worst of furries.
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>>53561889
You mean Rory?
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>>53561925
>implying kobolds have shit on furries
Furries are more obnoxious than even /pol/.
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>>53561883
>I think it's less disliking single org parties and more about, in general, if you're not specifically for that organization you have no other options.
I mean the options are the following:
>Career member of the BDA (you can come from a lot of backstories and end up here)
>Liaison from other Bureau
>Government sanctioned Mage/Flesh Warper/Alchemist loaned to the DBA
>Military personnel loaned to the DBA
>Private contractor the DBA has hired
>Criminal that works with the DBA
>Government bureaucrat sent to audit the DBA

I think that's a pretty long list
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>>53561925
Kobolds can at least be cute, clever, and endearing. Gnolls are fucking trash-tier in every way, and that before you get into the fetish shit.

I wish GnollPosters would just fucking die.
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>>53561913
Then you were indeed doing it wrong. By which I mean you weren't being an asshole toward the GM by breaking it on every occasion you could, so you were doing it right, but not Correctly.
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>>53561788
I have made my arguments about why, qualitatively. It's your problem that you've gone autistic over that I'm even talking about it, as opposed to what I have to offer.

>>53561808
See you're full of shit. They never was, and he considered putting them in because another player but me asked, and that's what he told me directly. If nobody that is selected wants to play a gnoll, he'd remove them, because he wants to keep the race count low. Really, doesn't look very good for your credibility now.

>>53561829
>Citation needed.
They can move their ears, so they do, to show submission, or alertness. We don't, but we still do the same with what we have: facial muscles. Since dogs, right now, are quite shit at talking, they communicate more with the body. Maybe fantasy dogs are still a bit shit at talking, even evolved? So in that case, they would.

>We also have more things we can do but don't.
Correct, but that still comes to what the instinct is. Dogs and cats come from animals that hunt, so they have a predatory instinct. Cats can't help but jump at laser pointers. Humans? Gatherer species, so they're attracted to vivid colour, because that's how they spotted berries. Speaking of colours, if dog-people can't see as many as humans, you'd think fabric would be more interesting to them based on shape, rather than colour.
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>>53561854

I don't think most of PFG would care, humans are good for everything.
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>>53561963
>I have made my arguments about why, qualitatively
Your arguments do not matter. I am not the GM, but the GM has evidently rebuffed your arguments whether or not they are sound. At that point you either get up and leave the table or shut up and deal with it.
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>>53561956
>Kobolds
>Cute and endearing

They're trash dragons.
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>>53561986
I mean raccoons are trash pandas and they're endearing.
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>>53561956
bias detected

bait harder next time

>>53561974
oooh we got a tough guy over here
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>>53561963
>Dogs and cats come from animals that hunt, so they have a predatory instinct. Cats can't help but jump at laser pointers. Humans? Gatherer species, so they're attracted to vivid colour, because that's how they spotted berries
Humans aren't a pure scavenger/gatherer species, have you not realized how kids like to watch moving things or little crawlies too?

>Speaking of colours, if dog-people can't see as many as humans
That's not how dogs' colorblindness works.
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>>53561986
>They're trash dragons.

I know, but they're trying so hard. It's like watching a limbless puppy try to get out of a box.
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>>53561994
>oooh we got a tough guy over here
I mean at least I know the golden rule of tabletop gaming, and games in general - when the referee calls a foul, it's a fucking foul. When was the last time you saw a football player successfully argue a foul with a ref? I've seen it upgraded to yellow, I haven't seen it cancelled.
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Is telling a lie usually a chaotic act? Is it always a lie? Does the significance or triviality of the lie have any influence?

Would you be annoyed by the DM changing your alignment if your character has done a lot of acts that fall into a particular alignment lately?
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>>53562019
>When was the last time you saw a football player successfully argue a foul with a ref? I've seen it upgraded to yellow, I haven't seen it cancelled.
This guy hasn't watched enough football, methinks.
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>>53562038
>telling a lie usually a chaotic act
Not always, sounds Neutral to me unless it was just a lie for the sake of it, a lie of a promise with full intent to break it later, or a lie made on impulse.

>Would you be annoyed by the DM changing your alignment if your character has done a lot of acts that fall into a particular alignment lately?
That's basically what they're supposed to do, unless you want them to say "you're not allowed to do that because you're LN". Alignment is descriptive, not prescriptive, and if your description changes well...
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>>53562044
>>53562019
Or enough hockey. The same shit happens to guys who argue too hard against the ref in most sports, really. You make trouble for the guy who calls the rules, you're gonna be in trouble.
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>>53562038
Lieing does not have any real alignment besides lawful. It depends on what the lie is about. It might kick you a step to neutral, or chaotic, or even evil. But its all about the lie and how often.
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>>53562044
>This guy hasn't watched enough football, methinks.
The ref generally ignores his ass or cards him, he doesn't let it slide whether or not the other guy thinks he made a mistake.
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So how do you link threads again? If there isn't a new thread I'll go ahead and make one.
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>>53562090
It's >>[oppostnumber], no difference unless it's cross-board.
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>>53562099
Got it, thanks
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Ravioli ravioli give me the logsioli.
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>>53562000
But would you adopt a Kyoko in a box?
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>>53562134
Logs for what? Blingmaker hit yesterday. >>53548686
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New bread
>>53562186
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>>53562134
Here are the fucking logs. I hope you are fucking happy for fuck's sake. It's nothing but "logs this" and "Logs that" and fuck fuck fickety fuck doodle dee.
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>>53562172
Fuck no. I have standards.
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