Warhammer 40000 general /40kg/

>>53546400
Fuck 8th edition im just gonna play my 5th edition dark eldar in 7th

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>>53546257
Reposting for your convenience you fucking shill faggot.


All characters got more wounds you dishonest faggot, it's not a real buff. D3 damage is NOWHERE near as good as Armorbane, and his useless aura has a laughable range of a SINGLE FUCKING INCH.

Attacking twice is NOT worth losing Armorbane, losing Hatred Incarnate, much less Blessing of the Blood God, one attack and one strenght when all he's got for defense is power armor and a piss-poor 4++ defense when most HQs are always hitting on 2+ which is something only HE could do in the past and was not compensated for despite the points increase. He's MUCH more likely to get killed before his second round of attacks now, thanks a lot for the decreased straight-up lethality.

Eat shit in hell, you subversive fucking shill.

So what do you think about assault marines without jump packs plus a chaplain riding in a rhino?

Rhinos are too expensive to be battle taxis now for tactical marines, they need to get guys into an assault faster.

>>53546422
Same here

Is it worth play Imperial Guard if I'm planning to go competitive? Will they be shit in 8th?

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>>53546400

Well, as bad as things are, at least we didn't suffer the indignity of female Primaris Marines

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>>53546451
This, GW shill please go

>oh boy I can't wait for 8th
>8th comes out
>FUCK 8TH EVERYTHING IS RUINED
What happened exactly?

>>53546717
people on the internet freaked out, what do you think?

>>53546717
DE and Tyranids became tier 1.

>>53546757
in what world is DE tier 1

>>53546717

Things changed. Autistic children cannot handle change.

>>53546785
It's what people who've played it said.

>>53546717
Shitty aliens suddenly became actually okay, Taudar and Muhrine fags are shitting themselves in confusion as to why their OP pos armies didn't get a full buff

>>53546757
>>53546817
>Initial rules leak
>Panic ensues
>People are trying to meta with limited info
I'll just wait till the marines get chapter tactics before I panic

Fact: Berzerkers, Rubricae and Possessed got buffed.

But if Chaos doesn't have any good psychic powers though, that's a big problem. And missing marks for non-cult units, Ahriman not being able to use multiple smites, and Kharn not being resistant to psychic powers, are failures on GW's part.

>>53546400
>>53546515
>>53546635
samefag

>>53546910
Someone once said that the reason why GW doesn't just dial down the power creep is that no one wants to be first.

They brought them all down instead and still people are mad.

>>53546962

I have had a Tyranid army for 5 years and I sure don't feel brought down by 20 point warriors right now

>>53546984
You were shit, you get brought up instead.

>>53546371
>>53546371
>>53546371
Migrate, this other thread has more replies. Don't split the timelines.
>>53546371
>>53546371
>>53546371

Fuck off with the anime shit, are you trying to turn this general into pfg?

>>53546950
Well yes, I'm op but I also participate, i just didn't realised the name got stuck there.

mfw everyone is panicking but im just waiting to make my primaris flesh tearers and buy a noice gabriel seth so that i can ruin the model with my subpar painting skills

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>>53546400

>>53546717
Because you can make all sorts of pretty promises until you actually have to put pen to paper. Now that people are seeing the reality instead of the advertising hype they're disappointed.

>>53546422
Why? They're way better.

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Just got done playing a game of 8th with my 1k sons vs ad mech.
It was quite fun, and it's nice that the sons of magnus are actually quite viable now.
Some stuff I learned through the game:
>rubrics and scarab occult are tanky as fuck. A turn of an entire army of ad mech shooting only removed 6 rubrics
>magnus is powerful, but the lack of powers makes him not worth taking right now, since his bonuses are wasted on the mediocre heritcus powers.
>rule of one is not nearly a big deal as people make it put to be. Spamming smite is really powerful, and who doesn't love just throwing out warp lighting like Sheev all over the table.
>arhiman is really quite good. The drop in cost makes him quite viable
>warpflamers are worth the points. putting out tons of shots while advancing each turn is quite strong
>rhinos are quite tanky now, they can survive rather long unlike before

Can't wait to see what the CSM codex brings, because right now the hold over index is quite fun.

>>53546910
>Space Marines
>OP
They weren't even top 3.

>>53546717

I can only speak for my own faction (admech), but it seems to be the pattern.

I was super excited for 8th, but learned today they're stripping a whole bunch of the neat thematic rules from my soldiers; no more doctrina imperatives (so long infantry specialization), no more feel no pain, no more relentless, plasma got debuffed, sicarians are slower and have less attacks on the charge, the list goes on. Now they're basically the Guard, but with red capes. I'm still excited for 8th but much less so now that I know my army is going to be a bland faction that's okay with everything, has decent stats, and doesn't really stand out.

Based on what I'm seeing it looks pretty similar for the Tau, Craftworlds, and Marines; fluffy fun armies with characterization are now just armies that do things, slightly less well than they used to. That's boring and kind of sad, and makes the rules bloat from 7th suddenly seem more worth it than it did a month ago.

>>53548079
That's because the indexes are just to hold us over till the codexes. They'll add back in chapter tactics, relics and all the unique and fluffy rules.

>>53548079
Hopefully the full codex will have more uniqueness to it. People are saying these are just temp rules until full books come out but with the apparent obsession on "simplification" I'm worried GW will leave out a lot of fluffyness in the effort of making people have to remember fewer rules.

>>53548079
How is GW so stupid that they can't fit all the relevant information on a single page?

I could handle the rules bloat of 7e, if they actually formatted the statblocks so I don't have to consult 5 different books to figure out how a unit works.

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>tfw non-psykers can summon Khorne daemons using a magic ritual

>>53548106
>codexes
Kys you illiterate hick

>>53548146
co·dex
ˈkōˌdeks/
noun: codex; plural noun: codexes; plural noun: codices

>>53548146
The plural of codex is codexes or codices. Learn English you fucking mong

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One thing that makes me happy that nobody is talking about

Staff of Light and all it's character variants are power weapons again and with the new wounding system having S7 over S5 doesn't matter most of the time and the weapon tax is generally gone (obviously you want your chariot or destroyer lord to be dead killy but otherwise it's all good)

>>53548146
Codexes is literally what GW calls codices. Luckily, indexes is an actual word. If you refer to multiple 40k army codexes as codices, you are actually spelling it wrong.

I have no idea why GW does it that way, and I'm sure many people say "codexes" in real life without even knowing the real world is "codices", but there you go.

>Changeling is a cool character with cool rules again
>horrors suck all the cocks and are arguably the worst unit in the game

Why GW

>>53548195
Codexes and codices are equally correct. I'd assume GW chooses the former for copyeight reasons or something

>>53548142
Sounds like typical Khornate.
Especially because there's a fairly high chance of a bloodsplosion when he enters.

>>53548207

What's funny is a Prince has a PL of 11, so a Khorne champ has a relatively average chance of getting one on 3d6, and its only 180 reserve points

So do we have word on whether or not Auras affect the unit generating them?

I'm thinking about using my Repentia as Ministorium Priests with eviscerators.

I was wondering how many attacks my 57 point repentia are going to have.

Codexes is funner. And funner is gooder than regular old fun.

cool. now ita easy to just add some basalisks to my genecult army.
or a shadowsword for big things.

>>53548187
War scythe is the cheaper option so there's that if you don't think you'll be doing much in the way of shooting.

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>>53548279
and i forgot the picture.

>>53548039
>magnus is powerful, but the lack of powers makes him not worth taking right now, since his bonuses are wasted on the mediocre heritcus powers.

Nigga, you can charge anything with your lmao 36" movement and the proceed to murder them with your hilariously powerful melee. You can actually rip a knight or LR in a single turn of combat you charge them in.

Oh yeah, and you have smite on crack. 7 mortal wounds every second cast is kinda brutal.

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>>53546400

Guys

Where the fuck are my Chapters tactics.

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>>53548039
Thanks based anon great to hear ACTUALLY FUCKING FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE RATHER THAN MINDLESS WHINING FROM PEOPLE WHO JUST COMPARE ONE EDITION TO A DEAD ONE!

>>53548315
coming in the codex.

>>53548249
So far afaik none of the auras specify another friendly so it should be good.

>>53548283
The hell, I assumed they came baseline at 0 like they always had. I mean I'll still pick them now but lame.

>>53548315
Wait for the codex like everyone else.

>>53548313
Like I said, he's powerful. I just don't feel that, with the lack of powers at this point, he's worth his cost at this point. When there's more variety in Psykic powers, then he'll definitely be worth it.

But I also played quite a few games yesterday with my loyaltists, and guilliman is really fucking strong, so that may have spoiled me.

>>53548327
18 for the staff, 11 for the scythe. I'd pretty much only take them on crypteks.

>>53548325
Question is how long until we start seeing the full army books. I'd imagine we'll see at least a marine book before the end of the year.

So why did GW remove carapace armour as an option for imperial guard?

The Vostroyan line wears carapace. Rough riders and shotguns have no model yet they stayed.

>>53548315

I SWEAR TO MIGHTY GILGAMESH IF THEY CHANGE MY CHAPTER TACTICS AND I HAVE TO RIP OFF ALL THESE CHAINSWORDS THAT I JUST PUT ON AFTER RIPPING OFF ALL THEIR BOLTERS

>>53548363

There was a faggot who claimed they were all dropping at once (codexes NOT indexes) because they said it at WHfest

Still Very Uncertain On The Effectiveness Of The Stoma, Can Anyone Give Advice?

>>53548203
>>horrors suck all the cocks and are arguably the worst unit in the game

Because they were the best troops in the game in 7E after Eldar jetbikes

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Opinions?

>>53548363
Primaris and Death Guard books will no doubt be out soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see both before mid-July.

Am I fucking retarded and just over thinking this?

So a Leman Russ has 3 attacks at 7+ wounds, but a battle cannon is heavy d6. Does that mean the Russ shoots 3 times or d6 times? Is the 3 just for melee attacks? That's what I figured, just want to be 100% sure.

Also, whats the deal with damage d3/d6/dwhatever if shooting at a unit? If I shoot at a unit of gaunts and roll d3 for damage, am I rolling to wound 3 models?

>>53548318
My pleasure anon. It's good to finally be able to field lots of rubrics and win. My scarab occult didn't do too great, but that's because I DS them right in range of the shirtless glowing ad mech guys who proceeded to take them to town, so that's more a tactical error on my part.

If anyone has any questions about how this edition actually plays I've done games with marines, knights, ad mech grey knights and 1k sons, so I'd be happy to share my limited hands on experience of 8th with anyone who has any fears, because the edition is really fun so far and I'd hate to see people burn models because of something like /tg/ doomsaying

>>53546400
to anyone whos lurking heres a link to all the 8th edition shit https://mega.nz/#F!3odCTLCa!5Jc-zB2-JJcYlT55L6FN8g

>>53548357
>I just don't feel that, with the lack of powers at this point, he's worth his cost at this poin
But how? He can easily charge his worth of points across the table and then straight up murder it with ease.

Granted, i may be theorycrafting too much, but given his engagement range, tankiness and ability to murder superheaves on average even if we ignore his Smite, i can't see him not killing his points of worth and more.

>>53548400
>all dropping at once

no way
marines first then everyone else can wait

>>53546910
Should have brought them all UP to the level of the OP factions, not make everything so flavorless and boring.

>>53548420

My opinion is that 2.52 MB is too large.

>>53548437
Attacks stat is for assault, like it always has been. The Battle cannon fires D6 times, damage is the number of wounds you do to a single model, it does not spill over.

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>>53548187

Everyone else seems mad about what happened to their armies but between this and the Faction Focus article today I'm one happy Phaeron.

Where can I get the rest of the index?

>>53548420
Bretty good, my dude

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>>53548325
>>53548338

They couldn't be asked to put in a couple of line of text.

>>53548420
For a Death Guard the green paint on his armour is very well maintained. Impeccable even.

>>53546910
Don't lump Tau and marines together. The percentage of retarded faggot lists in Tau and Eldar armies is far higher than marines.

You get something like 300 Tau and Eldar players per tournament, and 99% of them have faggot lists. You get something like 600+ marine players and only 50% or less have faggot lists.

>>53548039

This is the kind of post we want to see and not the austic REEEEEE of this days

>>53548402
Don't capitalize every word like an autist?

>>53546529

People seem to think a horde of footguard might be viable based on a dirt cheap heavy weapons teams and a shit ton of command points.

Lemon Yiffs are officially trash though. And vendettas just got straight squatted. Also no more combined squads because fuck you.

>>53548018
No they aren't, if you don't play them you don't get an opinion.

>>53548498

That's literally what 7E was like so why are all the guardfags moaning now of all times

>>53548327
>>53548446
>>53548351
Thanks m8s.

4 wound, 4+ Save 4 attack repentia coming up!
shame about that 5+ to hit

>>53546400
>It's AoS all over again edition
it's 3rd edition all over again, you mean

>>53548420
Bland af.

>>53548482
"Drybrush vomit" nurgle paintjobs suck.

>>53548509
because it got even worse.

>>53548519
Doesn't need that. Put on some rust, some chipping, some weathering.

>>53548413

I get that, and it pissed me off as a tzeentch player. I stopped playing them because of how unfun they were. Now, they are nerfed into the ground and more expensive for it. You have to pay 100pts for a 1/3 chance to smite with only an assault 2 lasgun for backup. They could have at least made flickering fire S4 again. Not that I have any, but Blue/Brimstone horrors are actually worthless, too.

I just want to be able to play like I did in 5th again, which was horror spam MSU Deepstrike vomiting a bunch of S4 fire everywhere with the occasional S8 shot for good measure.

>>53546530
>Primaris Captain has pregnant belly

Anon, I have some bad news ...

>>53548438
How do Terminators fare in this edition? Is deepstriking them in behind enemy lines to light up their vulnerable units viable? I've always wanted to pull off a pincer maneuver like that.

>>53548443
That killyness will be wasted against most armies. Certainly against superheavies and the like magnus will be well worth his points, but in my game against ad mech he was mostly just wiping out chaff, and it just felt like he needs something extra to justify the 415 point price tag. Though that was the only game I've played with him, so maybe if/when I go uo against armies with stuff like kinghts he'll prove his worth. If we were still in 7th's deathstar's everywhere meta, he'd be well worth the cost. But we aren't.
But who knows, maybe as I and more people play my opinion will change.

>>53548498
combined squads were ass cancer

Heavy/special/command squads being heavy/elite choices is a strange choice, though. They should have kept the whole "buy a platoon in a single troop slot" thing alive.

>>53548445
This was inevitable for the indexes. It's just the baseline. The Codex releases will bring back the flavor and then some, more than we've ever seen (look at the AoS battletomes for examples)

>>53548542

It's a beer gut, because Primaris are actually just Squats on stilts.

>>53548544
Shooty Termies seem a lot better. Rapid Fire 2 is neat. TH/SS Termies still seem pretty good and way better than LC termies.

>>53548142
It's just blood and a bit of chanting, any worthwhile Khorne Lord will keep a couple of vials on hand.

>>53548106

That's nice if you play marines or death guard but you know damn well everyone else is going to be waiting the better part of a year for a real codex, and that's if they're lucky.

>>53548039
Post your Tsons list if you'd be so kind

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>World Eaters Detachment may take units from page 16 to 42 of the index
>Sorcerers are in those pages
>may take any mark of chaos on a sorcerer

WE KHORNATE SORCERERS NOW BOYS

>>53548391
Because fuck you that's why

>>53548547

Don't those new detachments do the same shit, AND give you strategem points too? Why would you want "force org in a force org" other than for a novelty gimmick you giggle at when you write your list out?

>>53548559
>Rapid Fire 2
>not mentioning TWO WOUNDS, ASF PF, SCATTERLESS DS

>>53548575
wrong, sorc are called out in the general chaos rules of not being able to khorne

Are Primaris marines even good?

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Post armies and shit anons!!!
Also am i the only one thinking 8th will just be Ehhh?

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>>53548559
>he can't drop combi plasma termies

I bet you can't even reliably charge with them after they drop.

>>53548563

Non-marine players aren't real humans. They're like agents from the Matrix.

>>53548577
>Don't those new detachments do the same shit, AND give you strategem points too?
oh, I guess that's true. I guess I'm too stuck in my old single FoC ways.

>>53548559
Playing Chaos Termies, are Combi-bolters good or is it better to give everyone a special combi-weapon?

>>53548420
Good effort with the paper lift.
Now if only you could crop and rotate like a gentleman. Have you no iPhone?

>>53548544
>How do Terminators fare in this edition? Is deepstriking them in behind enemy lines to light up their vulnerable units viable?
Yes, most definitely. Termies are some of my favorite units, and I haven't played a single game where they don't make their points back. They have a decent chance of charging turn one, and if you're smart (and I like to think I am) and put another scary unit walking up their field on the other side to give them a turn of relief, they will be wrecking face by turn 2. They really benefited from that extra wound and the changes to saves and deep striking.

Oh, and termies in a land raider are going to be quite scary now. The land raider is an absolute monster that takes a ton of fire power to kill (and can put out a ton of fire power as well), so they will be more than able to break enemy lines and deliver the killy termie goodness inside

>>53548598
Who cares? Literally nobodies a month ago

>>53548079
please tell me they kept the rad-gun rules
i need my cancer-guns

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>>53548575

How can one man be so wrong

>>53548601
Ethereal
Cadre Fireblade x 2
40 Firewarrors
10 pathfinders plus accelerator
stormsurge+ATS+EWO

roughly ~1000 points

gonna need to use whatever possible as tau lel

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>>53548601

>>53546400
Do we have any news on how soon we can expect to start seeing codexes/codices/army books/battle tomes?
I actually am kind of excited for 8th edition, it feels like the transition to 3rd all over again with the generic army rules in the back of the main rule book. It's kind of a wild west phase where no one knows wtf they're doing again.
Also are Nids confirmed to be the new Taudar?

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>>53548039
Oh, and Admech are good too. Big takeaways-
>Sicarians are cheap as dirt and Killy as hell. If you go first with them, a T1 charge is not only possible, but guaranteed and terrifying
>take a damn omnispex, though not as useful against 2+ rubric shit
>radium carbines are still scary and pump out Dakka
>Plasma is okay, but D1 is kinda shitty since it's effectively useless against vehicles
>kataphrons are still a force to be reckoned with, especially grav.
>holy fuck fulgurites are badass, niggas chop TEQs and HQs like its mowing the grass. At 160 pts for 10, (and since cyraxus will give transports) these guys are gonna be an absolutely terrifying force on the field. Plus 5++/5+ universal for added tankiness

>>53548547
I really think the replacement is just another detachment. With brigade detachments you have all the slots you'd ever need and breaking those squads out that way actually makes it easier to fill out a brigade.

I'm super interested to seem the guard command abilities because they seem very well positioned to capitalize on them. Related, I think "countercharge units" like Rough Riders, an Eversor, or some other similar Imperial squad could be really effective in IG since guard are likely to have the 2 CP to spare to use the counter-charge CP ability. Great for telling those Khorne Berserkers to fuck off.

>>53548327
>So far afaik none of the auras specify another friendly so it should be good.
Fuck. I just realized that Celestine can target her own group with Spirit of the Martyr and heal 3-5 wounds a turn on top of ressing on a 2+.

Bitch is practically unkillable.

>>53548623
On a 6 the cancer guns do Damage 2.

So unlike before where it would cause another Wound on the target unit and could therefore sweep through hordes a little better, now it will overkill 1 Wound models and do nothing, but it's still good against multi-wound targets.

Not the end of the world I guess.

>>53548566
Sure. Please forgive messy formatting or possibly sub-par list building, I just used what I had on hand, made it WYSIWYG, and tried to make a fun and fluffy list
HQ
Azhek Arhiman on disc- 166 points

Chaos sorcerer in terminator armor- force stave, combi-melta- 173 points

Troops
Rubrics- 10 man, inferno bolters, 1 soulreaper cannon, sorcerer with force sword- 242 points

Rubrics- 10 man, warpflamer, sorcerer with force sword and , 1 soulreaper cannon- 399 points

Elites
Scarab occult terminators- 5 man, 1 heavy warpflamer, 1 hellfyre missile rack, 1 sorcerer with force stave- 263 points

Fast attack
Preadator- autocanon, two lascannons- 263 points

Dedicated Transport
rhino- 70 points
Rhino-70 points

Lord of War
Magnus the red- 415 points

>>53548648
Oh, hey anon. At least I think that's you. Fun game today, even if you don't like the very notion of fielding magnus

>>53548608
I'd generally go for combi weapons for Chaos dudes.

>>53546371
Those are surprisingly well painted, in spite of what's been painted on.

>>53548654
Yep, holding an eversor in reserve and plopping him down within 9" of a unit is going to be a pretty solid game plan, I think.

>>53548643
>Nobody knows
>Fuck you i want full rules now not bullshit dlc like release
>Yes Tyranids are kings of the hill by virtue everyone else is shit

>>53548659

>tfw you have enough models for a SoB brigade without Bitch-Crutch

Sisters Brigade 2500
Command 12

>HQ
3x Cannoness w/Combi-Flamer

>Troop
5x Sisters x5 w/Flamer, HFlamer, CFlamer, and THFlamolator

Sisters x15 w/Condemnor

>Elite
2x Imagrifier
Hospotalier
Priest

>Fast
2x Dominions x5 w/4 Melta, CMelta, and TLMMolator

Seraphim x10 w/2 Hand Flamer

>Heavy
2x Exorcist

Retributers x10 w/4 Heavy Bolters

>>53548327
So far the only similar abilities that can't self-target are guard orders.

>>53548547
I'm going to miss them. 20ish wounds to chew through before reaching my precious hwt.

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>>53548601
no

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>>53548601
The Kabal of the Torn Soul is ready for 8th!

>>53548664
I'm really not sure how much better 2 damage is against multi-wound targets since 2 wounds with 2 separate saves allowed for more chances to fail the save and actually take a wound. Will have to see how well they work in practice.

At least Neutron Lasers are still nasty as fuck and seem like a decent all rounder. Oh, and the buff to the Heavy Phosphor blaster is nice.

>>53548654
I think Sentinels are going to be my, countercharge unit.

They aren't going to do anything in cc, but the enemy has to either fall back or chew through the 55pt unit.

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>was expecting Lootas to become Heavy 2 instead of bullshit d3 shots
>instead they gave Burnas the same d3 shots rule
Well, that's one kit that won't be selling in 8th edition.

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>>53548677
I just don't like herohammer. Never will, although the other stuff was kickass. Those flamer dudes put in goddamn work.

As for the Admech list, it was
>regular ol' dominus
>10 fulgurite priests
>3 units of 3 gravaphrons
>3 units of 7 vanguard, 2 plasma guns in each
>3 units of 6 vanguard, 2 plasma guns in each
>4 units of Infiltrators with stubcarbines and power swords

The Grav is *good* but isn't what it used to be (i.e. not blatantly overpowered anymore), and the Infiltrators chilling at the front T1 is cool, but when they start losing men they lose a lot.

I can't stress it enough though, electroriests are the real winners here. Mortal wounds and S5 -2AP D3d attacks out the ass is scary as shit

>>53548745
Everyone hated things with random number of shots previously but now everyone I see seems to love it, I'm rather confused. "But X can potentially do so much damage now!"

>>53548743
solo sentinels with lascannons being gay in cover are going to be pretty fun little tank-hunters, I think

>>53548519
True, but you can make armour look corroded and filthy without just drybrushing it and dousing it in washes. Rust, verdigris, staining, corrosion, etc.

>>53548549
To be fair, though it fucked with the rules a bunch, the 'flavor' they added for the lizards was really...lacking for AoS.
Entire thing was a massive excuse to not have to update the range at all.

>>53548715
Fuck. That angle really shows how derpy taroux are.

You'd think Battle Focus can't be nerfed but wow it FUCKING SUCKS in 8th.

>>53548643
>Also are Nids confirmed to be the new Taudar?
I wouldn't go that far. People should probably start playing some games before jumping to conclusions.

>>53548753
Too bad I fucking hate the model for Electro-priests. Thankfully Fires of Cyraxus is coming out eventually and I hope we get at least one new unit in the full codex.

>>53548738
Those grotesques are great.

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>>53548601
Personally I am pretty excited. I was a little let down at first, but the more I thought on it, the more I realized I really enjoy all the options we've been given. The only thing I really miss is blobbed up Infantry Squads, but I don't mind that too much. Cheaper Basilisks, Scion troops that are cheaper, hilariously cheap HWS, Command Points easily gotten and all the abhuman and Rough Rider buffs are really fun.

Gonna have a blast this edition for sure.

>>53548768
Yeah pretty much impossible to shift for a similar number of points.

WHERE ARE THE CHAPTER TACTICS
GUYS IM SCARED

>>53548794
squatted

>>53548789
>That paint job
Fug, I miss penal legionaries.

>>53548794
W8 4 Codex

>>53548783
>hate the models

What! How can you hate them? They're goddamn beautiful in every way

I'm suspicious about Cyraxus. Secutarii will be decent (Hoplites will suck tho), vehicles will be solid all around I think, and MC's (if kastelan tells us anything) will cost a small mountain of points but will do scary stuff with it.

I'm most excited for myrmidons (if we even get them) and thallax

>>53548794
Everything is getting its own codex. Every individual loyalist and traitor faction.

>>53548781
8th have been only kind with Tyranids so far, everyone else got some mayor nerfs and lost most of their flavour

>>53548764
At least everyone will get to understand the pain of Ork players now.
Half their weapons are unusable because GW decided they're the LOLRANDOM faction.
I have no idea how anyone likes random shots, it makes the game way less tactical and interesting.
They should've done either d3/d6 hits, not shots, for blast weapons, or just picked a number if they want to keep BS relevant for blast weapons. Something like 2-3 shots for small blasts, more like 4-5 for large.

>>53548794
Gone for now.

>>53548818
>Every individual loyalist and traitor faction.
source?

>>53548803
Me too baby cakes. They live on in Conscript form for me.

>>53548821
The pain of the lootas, flash gits,bubblechukka,deff rolla, leardershit ect...

>>53548817

I bet he's one of those faggotrons who think the plastic robots look good

>Damage done by this weapon can spill over to other models in the unit

Oh look, i fixed the blasts.

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>>53548544
>>53548619
Everyone seems to be missing the Teleport Homing Beacon rules?

>Place several beacon in your deployment zone
>Deepstrike Terminators into the enemy's face
>Oh shit I fucked up?
>Oh shit enemy is in my ass and I need help back at my side?
>Teleport terminators AGAIN - BACK to my deployment to rescue them from dangerous situations or respond to enemy movement

>>53548818
>Nothing but chaos marines and Chadmarines flavours the next two years
Sounds like nuGW to me

>>53548845

Those are called mortal wounds you pleb

>>53548837
Well, at least they're useful. After being utter dogshit in 7th I'm """excited""" to see all the bare plastic electropriests freshly bought by people who "love the rules"

On an aside, anyone have a PDF of the various CADs in 8th?

>>53548821
It would be nice if formerly large blasts did a "rolls of 1s and 2s always count as 3 when shooting at units with at least 10 models".

>>53548837
I don't own a single kastelan. I just really don't like the look of electro-priests. Shirtless dudes with staves/gloves isn't what I imagine when I think of the AdMech. I'm more a fan of the Skitarii models.

Are rough riders good now?

>>53548861

AoS

>>53548819
To be fair the only reason Tyranids didn't lose most of their flavour too is because they haven't even fucking had any for the last 3 editions to begin with. It's just nice to have points costs and rules that are somewhat competent for once.

>>53548878
On paper yes.

>>53548878
they were niche before, and are still niche but a bit better now

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>>53548857
>Implying I have anything in my deployment zone thats worth defending

Attack is the only defense I need.

So are DEldar going to be okay now or are they going to be shit-tier for another edition?

>>53548845
That's actually a decent fix.
Blast weapons roll to hit once but cause multiple wounds that are capable of spilling over

>>53548904
Fucking Templars this is why Dorn sent you away

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>>53548187
Not today old friend.

>>53548923

They were advancing in that direction anyway.

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>no flavor to the traitors i want to make
>no big marines or big vehicles for them to field
>if i want to play at launch, i have to buy a ton of manlet scale models...
>...which could be made redundant by both the legion specific codex i want to follow or the up-scaled variants i want to own

Great welcome to new players with this edition. Go ahead and buy an army you might have to rebuy in 6 months.
That sure is a good incentive to start 40k.
I thought i was safe picking from chaos space marines.. but apparently anything other than GWs favorites are low priority.

>>53548832
Speculation mostly.

>>53548878
They are thoroughly okay.

>>53548929
>CSM
>not one of GW's favorites

>>53548919
It would be rather nice and probably wouldn't be overpowered. As it is now most blasts seem more effective against single targets than groups.

>>53548648
Are Breachers finally good enough to take? I really want to take Breachers, but destroyers are so good.

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>this is still one of the best units in the Ork codex
LMAO I <3 GW GUYZ

>>53548941
CSM were operating on a codex written in 2012 during 7th.

>>53548141
And this why all this shit actually sucks, I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post since all of this dropped: This is a re-branding of the game and GW, instead of fixing the rules bloat by consolidating what we had and fixing unclear situation, make deathstars impossible, keeping unique thematic army flavours, bringing vehicles and walkers in line as well as the powercreep they themselvers introduced. Instead they went full retard en just made everything so bland you're actually left wondering why they even dared hyping it like they did in the first place.

>>53548929
Having played the game with them (granted, only 1k sons), CSM seem to be a in fine place. You're putting too much stock in the old edition, what may look bad because of how it was then, but 8th is a whole new, and fun, beast

>>53548929
Welcome to Warhammer, where if you don't play vanilla marines you are fucked for updates.

>>53548966

7th Edition came out in 2014 and they received multiple 7E supplements so stop making it sound like they were using a 5 year old book and got zero support.

>>53548845
>Devastating blast: this powerful weapons shoot powerful explosives towards their foes, to represent this roll a single to hit roll for this weapon, if it hits it deals 1d6 wounds with d3 damage, damage done by this weapon can spill over to other models in the unit, in addition due to the indiscriminate nature of this weapon area of effect add +1 to hit rolls with this weapon.

Now they are truly fixed

>>53548039
So in your opinion, how much better is 8th?

Are Admech any good? Any major things to kill/avoid? And how Tactical is 8th looking, cause you can only go up from 7th

Also, can skittles into vehicle killing? Ironically they look pretty bad at it now

>>53548975

Even the updates fuck you. See: Primaris.

>>53548965
They released new big gun models anon

>>53548941
The lore writers favour Chaos for MUHDARKNESS and its rich and unique narratives. The rules however have always kind of sucked. Also how old are the Chaos termi and Havoc sculpts now? 15-20 years?

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>>53548965

>all these faggots trying to find out what's "good" in 8th and complaining about how "bland" it is

IT WAS MADE BLAND SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF YOU FAGGOTS HOLY FUCKING SHIT OFF YOURSELVES

>>53548983
They still use that codex now. Albeit with Traitor Legions since December. The oldest codex from anyone else is several at 2014.

>>53548971
I am a big critic of GW but this is no different from ravening hordes on when.
Less is more. In 3rd we had less rules but we felt more the differences in units.
Still specific cases are infuriating tough... See the Dogs in the Vineyard work weapon with 4d6.

>>53548965
>31pt Battlecannon equivalent
It's pretty brutal to be honest.

>>53549005
Didnt chaos termies get a new plastic kit in 2007 or something? I remember they came with that plastic termi lord.

>>53549022
>See the Dogs in the Vineyard work weapon with 4d6
?

>>53549020
>They still use that codex now

Don't worry they will get an index on day 1 of 8th.

That they will use for another 5 years.

>>53548896
Oh fuck you make me realise were bland edition again! 5fh bane is back!! It's not that Tyranids are good everyone else is bland shit like them!!!

Do I wait on picking a chapter for the two primaris halves of the release box? I want to lock in but the rules are so vanilla...

I'm between a couple codex chapters and space wolves right now.

>>53548998
>>53549006
Not Kannons, Lobbas, and Zzap guns. Those are still the official GW models for those three.

>>53549020
You're supposed to play KDK or WE. Non-Khorne Chaos doesn't matter. Might as act as if non-vanilla marines get tons of spotlight.

>>53548896
It's sad, isn't it? We became more flavorful by LOSING flavor. Like consolidating Instinctive Behavior into a simple rule instead of multiple charts and whatnot.
It also helps that the base rules aren't actively against us anymore.

>>53549022
Am I having a stroke reading this post or did you have one when you typed it

>>53548918
They're meh with some good units around but mostly the same

>>53549013
>>53549022
The new game could suck as well but I cannot help thinking that people call bland the units because broken no brain combos are not longer there.

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>yfw when IG will have 30+ Command Points while everyone will struggle to get 15

When other armies bring a Brigade the Guard brings several Batallions of men.

So glad someone finally leaked the entirety of codex space marines. Wolves look like they're gonna hold up well. Jump pack rules changes help a lot, definitely gonna be running my skyclaws again, and TWC look to be just as deadly now. Wulfen got a minor nerf with the CotW table being static, but I never rolled anything good for those tables anyway.

>>53549041
This >>53549006 is a forgeworld lobba. Get it instead.

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>>53548106
>Tyranids
>Ever getting touchwd again by gw
This is marines vs chaos edition. Maybe eldar and tau might get a codex if they are lucky

>Heat Lances are now 25 points each
>A squad of 5 Scourges with 4 Heat Lances is 170 points

lmao I knew I should have waited to put those guys together. Oh well, at least DL Scourges are semi-viable now!

>Bolt Rifles get base AP -1
>Galvanic rifles only get AP -1 on a 6 to wound

Cawl is a traitorous cunt giving superior to tech to non-admech

>>53549056
The fluff rings true.

>>53549056
That's really only that big of a deal in narrative play where you've got a bunch of stratagems to use. Otherwise you're pretty much just using all of those CPs to re-roll a single dice per-phase.

I'm probably going to be using most of those points just to get a decent number of shots from my Russ'.

>>53549065
Isn't the big lobba a separate unit with its own rules? I don't usually fuck with forgeworld stuff.

>>53548953
Yeah, I think so. Hitting on a 4+ is kinda lame but it's nothing new, with arc cannons they make a good gun platform to deal with vehicles and the like.

Plus with 2A each and their increased tankiness against most stuff, their close combat effectiveness just got a lot better.

End of the day, it really depends. Breachers will be top notch against Rhinos and the like, but not so much against Knights and other really tanks vehicles. They could with the torsion Cannon, but 1 shot and 4+ to hit just never works out for me

>>53548972
The problem is, i want to have a uniform long term flavor army made up of the truescale models which are synergised to the benefits of their faction specific rules.

I dont want to buy a rhino, elites, dreadnaught ,raptors etc.. and then have them be out of proportion with the bigger models of the game.
Neither do i want to buy units which i later find out arent suited to the faction specific rules in the codex.

Even if CSM is fine as a whole right now, it doesnt help me if i have to change a bunch of shit later.
The hobby is already expensive as fuck to start without this guesswork.

>>53549069
They already confirmed Tyranids and Orks are getting Codex updates in 8th. Possibly even within the year. GW isn't stupid, they know that there are huge portions of their consumer base that don't give a shit about Marines of any flavor. If they were only going to do Marines vs Chaos they would have squatted 40k and made a full plastic Horus Heresy range.

>>53549069
I dunno about that, the changes to Tyranid sound really good overall. All the hordey armies sound like they got way better honestly, Nid, Ork, Guard all got big boosts. DE seem to have gotten a huge buff too. The only one that seems to have fallen behind is Chaos, but who didn't see that coming?

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>>53548601
They've been lying dormant in storage all throughout 7th ed. Not pictured is 15 genestealers 2 crones 1 harpy a second flyrant and a toxicrene. Also a chaos army somewhere that I dont even feel is worth digging up.

>tfw still can't give my IG sergeants lasguns

:(

>>53549076

Last time admech hoarded the nice toys, we got Titandeath.

>>53549048
>>53549031
Sorry people... phoneposter, fuck me.
Dogs in the Vineyard is an dog with a sort of dice pool for conflict resolution.
It was a joke on the or weapon that asks to roll 4d6 and then you and the enemy assign the rolls to each weapon stat.
For a game of this scale this is insane.

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>DE are once again the rapetrain faction
Sasuga GW-san

If anyone DE player bitches about the changes i'll happily prove them wrong

>>53549013
Fuck you deldars were bottom tier and now they were barely buffed unlike craftworlders units, everyone got new shit, we just got dog shit.

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>>53549097
Technically yes. But as long as you don't have both in the same army it's not an issue. They also have a sexy kannon.

>>53549100
Cawl might be an auto-take just for his "units within 6" reroll all to hit rolls in shooting" rule. I'm kind of sad as it feels like we've gone from "an army with naturally devastating shooting" to "an army with decent shooting unless you've got characters buffing units" but that seems to be a running theme in 8th ed.

>>53548990
>So in your opinion, how much better is 8th?
Much much much much better. It's honestly the funnest edition I've played yet.
>Are Admech any good? Any major things to kill/avoid?
I'd say so, they gave my rubrics a run for my money. As for stuff to avoid, I don't know, but the electro-priests are definitely an auto-take, those fuckers are scary.
>And how Tactical is 8th looking, cause you can only go up from 7th
It's looking good, the rules changes definitely reward playing smart rather than just building the better list. Like I won my game today by making my opponent forget about my rhinos and just moving them onto objectives. Also, stratagems will be quite powerful in the hands of a smart player. I'd imagine thst will be even more true when we get all the unique faction stuff in the codexes.
>Also, can skittles into vehicle killing? Ironically they look pretty bad at it now
They can, but vehicles are overall just insanely durable now. There's a reason the rhino costs twice as much now, it's a fucking tank, both litterally and figuratively. The land raider for instance is a monster, it took 5 turns of knights shooting at it for it to die in a game yesterday.
But I can't really comment on ad mech in paticular, I'm afraid I didn't field that many tanks against them. I'll try and play a game where I bring more tanks tommorow against them, if my opponent agrees to play that is, and report back.

But either way, tanks in general are no longer something that one squad can kill in one or two turns.

>>53548648
How is a T1 charge guaranteed with the Sicarians?

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quick /tg/ name my band, here's our first album

>>53549022
>Dogs in the Vineyard
I don't have any experience with that game, so I cannot comment on that.

Less might be more but that argument doesn't always work, my feeling is that once again that the hype-and hate train were off by a great mark. Some stuff is definitely improved in the way it functions but there just seems to have been a gigantic hit to flavorful special rules. Some of the new mechanics are also quite "ehhh" imo, with the mandatory added note that I haven't played a single game yet so we'll see what happens.

>>53549083
Fuck, you're right.
>Rules changes mean conscripts are IG's go too troop
>SM now have better 2 wound truescale marines.

A hand full of marines vs swarms of guard.

>>53549069
You realize what GW releases is majorly influenced by what the head designers want to work on, and Jes Goodwin, the head honcho of the modelling department, fucking loves sculpting Tyranids?

>>53549104

noice

I have a slightly bigger, purple nid army.

But my Forgeworld Flying Hive Tyrant was absolutely broken due to some blithering idiot's carelessness along with a Trygon and a broodlord so now I dont have the heart to look at them anymore.

>>53548664
damned, i used to spam vanguard to drawn everything with radiations
meh, i'll wait for the codex

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>>53549130
Goff Rockers

>>53549113

Good, DEfags have shit taste and deserve shit.

>>53548741
Is it separate saves?
I kind of figured if they took an extra wound because of taking the initial wound it was guaranteed, not a chance to wound a second time.

>>53549127
Not him, but they can deploy anywhere more than 9" away, and have 8" movement.
Deploy 9” away>move 8”>make the 1/2" charge>rape enemy models

>kusosuba
go away

>>53549130
Thin Squiggy

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What's next, /tg/?

I'm committing myself to my Dark Eldar for 8th because my other armies are some what of a let down. It's not that they're trash, but rather they don't feel the way I want them to feel, yet. However, my deldar are the exact opposite, and I'm excited for then.

So far, I have a box of wyches (not shown, so I have 2 boxes total), and most of one SC! box assembled. In the envelope are 20 Hellions. My goal is to assemble 1000pts for 8th, and then start painting squads. If one squad does better than another, they get priority. It's a motivational thing.

Blood Angels made it into 8th Edition just fine.

Wishing we had the red thirst in some form, blood lance, and overcharged engines on stuff besides the baal pred - but the fact that the Baal Predator is useful again is welcome enough.

>>53549154
If you use alternative deployment you don't get to move that turn. You have to cross the 9" via your 2d6 charge.

>>53549151
He's saying under the old rules it was separate saves, so you had more chance of getting at least one Wound in, now it's all or nothing.

Are Deldar blood nuts without fail? Every pic I've seen has them all with red hair.
I was considering doing different hair colours on some to differentiate them. However, if they're all red by lore I'm not gonna do that.

>>53549151
Nope, it's just one save and if they fail they take 2 damage.

>>53549176
This, I may not have been as clear as I could have been.

>>53549154
Oh that's great i didn't think that they could move after deploying 9" away.

>>53549182
>However, if they're all red by lore I'm not gonna do that.
I don't think they are, I think GW just likes the contrast

>>53549176
Oh, whoops.
I entirely misread that, and that makes perfect sense. I guess that would have been better looking at it like that, yeah.

>>53549166
I won't post my list because doing in nearly every thread is autism.
If you're going Wych cult then you need some Darklight weapons to fill out the missing Anti vehicle role

Reavers, if you want similar theme, or stuff like Dark Lance/Blaster Scourges could fit in too

>>53549182
Nope DE have every hair colour - just like the animes

>>53549182
No, it's just the default GW colour scheme. It's the same reason you almost always see white haired sisters or red robed admech.

>>53548624
But it doesn't call it out in the span of pages that matter for the world eaters detachment, so world eagers will still be able to have sorcerers, just not as a normal CSM army

>>53549166
Incubi are good. I'd also pick up at least one box of Gangs of Commoragh for cheap Reavers and Hellions.

>>53549123
Yeah, not great feels. Their shooting definitely got beaten a bit with the nerf bat, but as of right now I feel like the army is at its best facing few/no vehicles and lots of hordes and 4+/3+. So basically Admech is the best at killing Admech.

They do stupid well until models start getting up past 7-8 wounds, then things may take a little longer.

>>53549170
Oh crap, you're right.
>saddominus.jpg
Nonetheless, they're a slaughterhouse in melee and- though the neurostatic aura is now basically useless- still feel like one of the few units that still has some flavor to it.

>>53549104
Holy fuck those two are big. I thought they were fex size.
I haven't bought new bugs since 4th I need to do something about that.
Also figure out what I'm doing with the rest of these shits I've already got, and determine how many get turned into other things.

It seems people are torn, some say GK suck now and others GK are great - so which is it?!

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>>53549182
Nope. That's just Cult of Strife. Lelith's cult. Other cults use other colors.

>>53549192
They can't, this anon is right
>>53549170

The ad mech player I was playing with just read the rule wrong. Either way, I played some hard termie spam, which has basically the same rule, and that doesn't hinder them. And your dudes are a lot cheaper, so you can bring more of them.
Trust me, the new deep strike/infiltrate/ whatever "Adjective noun" combo GW gives the rule is quite nice, and makes assult really viable

>>53549227
>cult of gingers
pfft

>>53549212
>saddominus.jpg
It's still doable if you commit a CP re-roll to it. Just pretty risky. The factions that can do it reliable have additional movement shenanigans like the Warp Time psychic power.

>>53549206
>have 20 hellions
>why not 30

I... Sure. It was in my radar anyway. If I see one, I'll nab it. They're rarities now. Incubi were on the top as a guardian to my Succubus, but they're min 5 now, so now idk. Plus I'd have to make a chinaman order (not that its a problem).

>>53549201
Raiders and Reavers got Darklight on them. I'm also planning on a Voidraven for anti-BIG stuff. At some point, I'll buy 3 more boxes of scourges for a suite of weapons. $25/box MSRP isn't actually THAT bad.

>>53549226
Both.

They're monsters in melee and mince anything, plus mindbullets unregulated make them a scary army that gets all up in your face T1

However, their shooting isn't great and every man you lose you feel. Smart players love it, dumb players complain. Experience is the only way to tell which camp you're in

I wonder how the FW units will be

Thoughts on what the xv109 will be like?

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>>53549276
MEMRI TV + 40k

>>53549203

Well, it's possible that when the detachment-specific keywords come out, World Eaters will have some form of exclusion from taking psykers. Also possible is that they can but since the psyker can't have Khorne (and probably not World Eater) keywords, it'll have to take another. So the World Eaters showed up to battle with dozens of berzerkers, monstrous fleshmetal constructs, some wicked-looking space marine vehicles, and a single Tzeenthian Sorcerer who looks a little nervous; like someone who realized too late they walked into the wrong meeting but has been there too long to make their exit not awkward so are just hoping no one notices them until it's over.

>>53549212
Neutron Lasers seem like they're pretty decent against models with lots of wounds since they're always doing a minimum of 3 damage. Ironstiders might be pretty nasty if you bring enough of them.

>>53549276

herohammer
cant hit guilimeme if a conscript is nearby
>xenos being relevant

take your pick

>>53549256
Even with the changes i'd still stick Heat on the Reavers, since with T5 they're great at messing up TEQs

Yeah the VR is good now, bbut don't forget Trueborn are still a nasty unit, even if they did lost 1 weapon this ed

>>53549261
>Smart players love it, dumb players complain
This so fucking much. Having played like 5 games of 8th, it's so easy to tell who actually knows how to play the game and who just relied on list building to win.
8th is about making fun lists and playing smart with them. Like the 1k sons, peopke bitch about the rule of one in tournies, but they don't understand that smite everywhere is nothing to scoff at. You're practically garunteed that most squads will do at least one wound in the psykic phase. If you can play smart, 8th will be a rewarding and fun edition.
If you can't, then git gud faggot.

>>53549276
Cruddace being dragged off by Deathleaper

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Do you think people would mind if I used the Ynnari rules for my Eldar force, but instead of having Strength from Death I went for the standard rules instead?

I can't imagine people would enjoy my Jetbikes zipping backwards super-fast after they kill something, and the thought of Dark Reapers getting some nice bonuses where they previously had none from Battle Focus is also unsettling.

The only thing I really want from it is to mix and match my DEldar, Harlequins, and Craftworld stuff, since I took a lot of characters and transports and now it's all just a muddled mess.

Alternatively I'll probably just not use Strength from Death ever, save maybe to have my Dark Reapers move if they actually kill something close to them.

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>>53549276

>>53549298
We got D-Cannons for termies

>Lelith finally bows to the doping culture.

>>53549322
>not going pure DE
pleb

>>53549324
She's had a fling with the Duke

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>>53549256
Oh. I thought that box was all you had. My bad.

I don't know how hardcore you are about DE, but one suggestion would be to pick up the Triumverate of Ynnead. They're cool models and swapping your army from DE to Ynnari can be a fun change of pace. Soulburst makes them play very differently.

>>53549302
I know how to play AND I know how to list build. I tabled people with Dark Eldar in 7th for god's sake.

I don't care how many mortal wounds Smite does or how easy it is to win with Hellions. I care Lelith uses combat drugs now. I care Biel-Tan is in pieces and given up to the Ynnari. I have literally no reason to run my Covens units with my Wych Cult and I can't mix factions if I play matched play, which let's be honest, is all anyone is going to fucking care about.

No amount of strategy is going to bring the lore and gameplay I loved back. This is just some random ass dice game with a 40k skin that feels and plays nothing like the old game.

>>53549316

>Born to die
>Galaxy is a fuck
>鬼神 Kill em all 007.M31
>I am the trash man
>410,757,864,530 dead heretics

>>53549304
kek

>haven't been able to prime or paint for the past 6 months due to several months due to weather
>still just above the "lol don't even try" humidity level despite summer starting
>8th edition approaching fast
>can't even work on backlog before new shit comes out and backlog increases
>no room for airbrush
>brush on primers are shit
>even the days that are "i guess you can give it a shot and pray" humidity land on work days

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LET ME PAINT GODDAMNIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53549327
>Disintegrator Cannons
Wrong D

>>53549336
>Ynnari
Faggot

>>53549310
You can mix and keep all the standard rules. Just don't build a Ynnari army. Instead build your force using the "Aeldari" keyword. It applies to all of them. It's like building an "Imperium" army.

>>53549337
>hur dur muh DE

Bad player spotted

>>53549358
Sorry i'm so used to faggots playing Ynnari, my apologies
My list doesn't have any - mine's all about the "death by thousand cuts"

>>53549337
>No amount of strategy is going to bring the lore and gameplay I loved back.
Codexes will do that.

>>53549337
Wasn't really talking about people like you anon, it's an entirely different, and legitimate, thing to not like some of the fluff and gameplay changes.
I'm talking about the people who have taken a look at every leak and said
“X faction is dead because of shit rules" even when they haven't played a single game.

>>53548929
>Go ahead and buy an army you might have to rebuy in 6 months
you'll never have to rebuy your army.
that has literally never happened forGW games.

>>53549380

Sure if you like to own shitty looking old armies.

>>53549358
>>53549368
No problem. It was just a suggestion. Even if you don't go Eldar soup I find that just the Yncarne and Soulburst is great for a change of pace. If that's not your style I get it.

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>>53549112
Lelith is smoking crack, wych weapons were copy pasted over, and our monofiliment is still just reroll wounds instead of actual Monofiliment.

Despite that, goddamn I love my DE.

>>53549195
>>53549201
>>53549202
>>53549227

Ok, thanks.
I've started out, and bought the paint for, Cult of Strife colour scheme, so if it's based on cult it may be worth sticking with the red anyway.
Cheers.

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>>53549402
>>53549112
Oh, and while necrons get 4+ RP twice a turn every turn forever, DE only get a 6+ FNP with no bonus from haemonculi and the chronos doesn't help them against shooting at all.

Overall I enjoy the changes, but you can't say there's nothing to bitch about.

>>53549402
After the 7e codex gutting, did you really think GW gives a shit about our lore?
I'm frankly more annoyed that Heat Lances are S6

lolwhat is that Necron thing RAW, or are people being stupid?

>People claiming to have actually liked 7th.

WAACFAGS BTFO

>>53549417
Necrons are the "holy fuck how do I make them die" race and Dark Eldar are the "I am made of paper and glass but move at supersonic speeds and split your dick in half with a razor blade before you can reload your gun" race, what did you really expect?

>>53549359
I could, but the problem there is that I was using Raiders as transports for some of my units, since I really like the look of them more than Wave Serpents.

The ability to share transports is what really caught my eye

>>53549417
As much as i agree that GW don't seem the understand that different aspects of the fluff can translate to crunch, we've always been easily killed

I started in 7th and wow what a shitty new edition release. We have to wait before so many keywords even do anything? I want my Spirit Host and Warhost now, GW!

>>53549337
>I care Lelith uses combat drugs now.

That's the biggest disappointment to me. Just say "Lelith's battle lust gives her the effect of combat drugs" and boom, the entire army has it, no problem with lore etc.
Super easy wording change they didn't care to do to not break the lore.

>>53549363
T.tyranid player
Surprising how fast the shit went up to their heads

>>53549449
>started in 7th
>has no idea what a good edition looks like

It checks out.

>>53549350
Hey idiot, its really really really simple.
Spray outdoors and quickly bring them inside to a climate controlled room. Let them dry. Spray. Dry. Spray.

>>53549373
>w8 4 8th
>no, actually wait for codexes

>>53549452
Yeah. Or they could have just left it off her profile, and given her a thing that lets her pick from an identical list of effects at the start of each turn to represent her insanely fluid battle prowess or something

>>53549455
>t. buttmad tau player trying to pin shit on nids
Nice try, faggot.

>>53546400
I need a rule clarification.

Because entering from reserves counts as moving, does that mean I can't disembark on the turn it lands if my guys are in a drop pod?

>>53549457
I sure liked all that FLAVOR in 7th. 3 psychic powers PER FACTION, are you kidding me?

>>53549452
OMFG GET A GODDAMNED LIFE WHO THE FUCK CARES!

You are obsessing over something that doesn't fucking matter.

>>53549477
You can because the drop pods specifically say you can. In fact, they say you must

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>>53549283
done

>>53549437
>Literally telling another player to suck it up
Not that anon but kys after killing your parents and siblings.

>>53549481
It's only the fucking placeholder indexes, you fucking newfag, calm down.

>>53549481
Meh, Blood Angels powers are all useful so I'm happy.
Psychic phase in 7th was shitty and took too long, and invisibility ruined everything.

>>53549337
>This is just some random ass dice game with a 40k skin that feels and plays nothing like the old game.

40k has always been a random assed dice game. The trick was to identify and buy as many of the overpowered units you could find so that you would win regardless of dice results. You're just sad all that's been taken from you.

And the "story" of 40k has been stagnant for literally over 20 years now. Maybe even longer.

>>53549425
>lolwhat is that Necron thing RAW, or are people being stupid?
At the beginning over every turn, necrons get a 5+ RP roll for every dead model in each unit. A 20 man warrior presently down to 5 men will make 15 RP rolls. With a cryptek, the 5+ becomes 4+. With a ghost ark, those same units get to make a second RP roll every turn.

That's RAW and RAI.

Really though, I'm still just mad they still fucking have a wych weapon for rerolling hits and one for rerolling wounds. When the FUCK EVER will rerolling 3+ hit be better than rerolling our mediocre strength? Fighting grots is the only time it becomes equal. Against humans and eldar, rerolling wounds is already far preferrable and smarter. Against marines and necrons, rerolling wounds is a braindead fucking choice. Against T6+, the comparison is so far out of the ballpark its not even worth comment.

And that's not even accounting for the fact that succubi already cause rerolling hits for wyches. It's so fucking stupid.

>>53549460
>climate controlled room
>in a humid environment

People don't live in wine cellars.

>>53549499
>WAAAH I WANT DARK ELDAR TO BE AS TOUGH AS NECRONS BUT ALSO STILL HAVE ALL THEIR OTHER BENEFITS
You are a goddamn disgrace. If you can't play the faction for what it is, don't fucking play it.

>>53549481
I'd rather have 3 powers to choose from that are actually good than multiple tables filled to the brim with mostly useless powers that you have to randomly generate.
Also this: >>53549500

>>53549500
Oh great, just play a year with these shitty bland ass rules.

>>53549428
>Having different opinions besides mine? Not on my watch!
For me 7th was infinitely better, suck it up asshole.

>>53549519
It's way way better then shitty outdated rules. Mainly cause these ones are reasonably balanced.

>>53549460
This works going from cold and wet to warm and dry but if it's warm and wet it's going to also be warm and wet indoors unless youu're lucky enough to have AC

>>53549508
>Really though, I'm still just mad they still fucking have a wych weapon for rerolling hits and one for rerolling wounds. When the FUCK EVER will rerolling 3+ hit be better than rerolling our mediocre strength? Fighting grots is the only time it becomes equal. Against humans and eldar, rerolling wounds is already far preferrable and smarter. Against marines and necrons, rerolling wounds is a braindead fucking choice. Against T6+, the comparison is so far out of the ballpark its not even worth comment.
You... you're not good at math, are you?

>>53549519
You can always quit. People forget that is also an option.
From your attitude, I highly suggest you go that route.

>>53549519
>These rules are soo shitty
>Hasn't played an actual game with the rules

Repostan because wrong thread:
I have a question about the new rules:
>Coherency specifies models in the same unit must remain within 2" of each other
>You are allowed to declare charges against multiple targets with one unit
>3" consolidation move at the end of fight phase, as well
Do I need to keep my units in coherency when I'm charging multiple targets?
Like, say I have a mob of ork boyz, and for some reason there are two tactical squads, one each on opposite sides of the mob. Can I charge both at once, even though it will split the unit and probably break coherency?

>>53549485
We're on a forum talking about space army men.
None of this matters, yet people have been willing to burn shit to the ground since they found out their particular space army men aren't as good as they were previously, or they want them to be.

>>53549532
I'm mad enough to call you a nigger, but instead I'll ask for you to enlighten me, hot stuff.

Does anyone other than puppetswar make any good looking dreadnought arms? Looking for one with big swords or varied looking guns attached.

>>53549474
>b-but tau
Gonna need a new scapegoat, codex npc

>>53549531
>lucky enough to have AC
>lucky enough
>lucky

It's 2017, don't live in a fucking mud hut.

>>53549519
After 8 years of shitty bland-ass rules for many armies, while the core was utterly broken beyond repair, and the meta was rampant with unfluffy awful gamey cheesey shit like wolfstars made up of 30 independent characters attached to a thunderfire cannon to get Toughness 7 and then stacking a bunch of bullshit psychic powers to become mathematically invincible?

Yeah, I'll take one year of balanced, clean, streamlined core and all armies playing on a closer level and the abuse stripped out of the game, thanks.

>>53549337
Seriously wot.
Everything has gone through changes.

Gotta roll with it.

I still miss Penal Legion and Marbo and close order drill, but i'm stoked for 8th.

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Has anyone burned their 40k army yet? I want to watch some sperg flip out about plastic space mans.

>>53549555

Only 65% of the US has AC. You probably didn't even pay for the AC you have.