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I fucking hate myself edition
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First for BRRRRRRT
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>>53546371
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Third for the Warmaster
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How the fucking is /tg/ already jaded about the new edition 3 weeks before it comes out?
This has got to be a new record
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>>53546371
First for Tyranid master race.
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>>53546420
6th for BRRRRRRRT
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>>53546433

Forget to charge there, friend?
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>>53546420
>taurox
>vulture
>lemon
>100 point punisher vengeance batteries
I hope infantry spam becomes the new meta
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>>53546371
>No updated news
>No updated daily duncan
You're a lazy fucker OP.
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SLAANESH DAEMONETTES ARE BEST
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REMINDER: You can assign the bracketed keyword to anything, so you can have Superfriends Tau allied with Superfriends Necrons. The Faction Keyword "Superfriends" allows allies.
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why do orks never catch a break? );
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>Ravager 95 points
>Disintegrator cannon 30 points each
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>>53546450
Not in my house
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>>53546371
> Keyword: Equestria
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>>53546371
Punisher best Leman Russ variant, Battle Tank worst. FW Best will be Annihilator.
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>>53546457
You have good anti-air now!

I mean, your flamers are worse than every other flamer
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>>53546450

source?
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>>53546444
Literal buckets of dice.
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>>53546433
>tfw you run a weekly Apoc and haven't called a game of guard vs nids "another big hunt"
What a terrible feeling
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>>53546465
link to the dark eldar codex leak? I've been excited to see if hellions are usable.
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>>53546450
Orks of Klan <FLY>
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>>53546450
Nah. <sept>Wu Tang Clan</sept> is not the same as <clan>Wu Tang Clan</clan>

Also, lol on Orks being called <Clans> and not <Klans>. /pol/ ruins /tg/ again.
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>>53546478
weve always had good anti air
see traktor kannon.
feels bad.
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>>53546489
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

That has PDFs of all 3 codexs and the main rulebook.
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>>53546481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sETDJUZE7aU
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>>53546425
I don't get it.
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>>53546498

The game does not care about the type of keyword, only that the keyword matches another.
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>Ravenwing is no longer good at shooty and is almost exclusively choppy
>Darkshroud and Jink don't work together any more
>Jink can't be re-rolled
>Cover is +1 to armor saves
>Interromancy mandatory and shit
>Greenwing only slightly better
>8th edition tacticae when

Maybe I should just start playing Sphess Muhreens or Chaos...
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>>53546420
Xth for the actual BRRRRRRT
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>>53546425
plague marines are fearless.
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>>53546431
because it is terrible?
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>>53546425
>implying death guard can't have a sick leave
I thought papa Nurgle cared about us.
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The emperor of man is revealed to be a reverse trap at the end of 8th
How would you react to this?
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>>53546540
But are they SEXY? The answer is no
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>>53546498
Keywords don't have a type, anon.
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>>53546420
>1+ Air Wing Detachments
>take nothing but Twin Punisher Vultures and triple Twin Lascannon Vendettas
Why do I want to try this?
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leave BRRRRRRT to us
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>>53546528
how much BRRRRRRT we talking here as the vulture has 40
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>>53546444
A bs 3 punisher kills about 5.5 guard equivalent models.

I think 3pt conscripts are going to fuck up the battlefield.
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>>53546431
Because Eldar did not get nerfed as much as everyone else? This is an 8th edition list, by the way.

+Outrider Detachment+
* Farseer w/ Singing Spear, Doom and Fortune - 120
* 3 Windrunners w/ Shuriken Cannons - 96
* 3 Windrunners w/ Shuriken Cannons - 96
* 3 Windrunners w/ Shuriken Cannons - 96
* 3 Windrunners w/ Shuriken Cannons - 96
* Vyper w/ 2 Shuriken Cannons - 88
* Vyper w/ 2 Shuriken Cannons - 88
* 5 Rangers - 100

* 2 Dark Reapers, and Exarch w/ Tempest Launcher - 110
* 2 Dark Reapers, and Exarch w/ Tempest Launcher - 110

Total Cost: 1000
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>>53546420
I attached the same type of galtling gun to the front of my valkyrie

it looks really bad
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>>53546550
I would shrug and just kinda be like Well it's still dead
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>>53546559
>Sept<niggers>
>craftworld <niggers>
>they share keyword "niggers"
Taudar has returned
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>>53546540
Not in 8th they're not
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>>53546585
It's going to be so funny if they don't faq this.
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>>53546520
Could I have an Imperial Guard that uses Ynnari as the keyword for its regiment, so that they can keep shooting when they die?
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>>53546550
I'd be cool with it, but I'm mostly looking for a reason to post this.
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>>53546489

Hellions are very usable

>M14
>A2
>S4
>D2 this is big
>18" assault 2 poison
>drugs
>Can fallback, shoot, and charge
>can advance (run) and shoot because assault
>17ppm

Very usable. Drugs give them +1WS/A/T/S or +2Ld/M. Pick a stat and boost it.
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>>53546534
Rotated for everyone's convenience
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>>53546371
due to the new armor rules and the fact that radium carbines are ap 0 the omniplex are almost completely useless now as people won't be using their cover saves against you. On top of that most of the cult mechanicus units are unusable due to looking like crap.
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>>53546603
oh hell yes.
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>>53546371
which edition is best edition boys?

I'm going 4th
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>>53546576
That looks like a terrible list that won't be able to give the slightest protest as I ram my thick cock into its mouth and eject boyz down its throat
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>>53546612
>>53546603
>AND THE COMBAT DRUGS ARE ALL DECENT

FUCK ME THEY FIXED HELLIONS
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>>53546608

>playing a meme faction

u deserve it
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>>53546613
4th was fun, but I only played Tyranids and inevitably won more than I lost so can't really comment on other factions, but the rules were pretty good.
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>>53546450

fug
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>>53546603
>14 move +2 +1d6 +18 inch range
That's a hella threat range.
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>T'audari will defend this
and play by themselves
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>Even with the point cost of Rhino's doubling my TS armylist is now over 150 point cheaper

What the actual hell.
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>>53546631
Gangs of commoragh box set. Thats all I'm saying.
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>>53546626
>implying there is a faction that isn't a meme
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>>53546613
9th
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>>53546443
Captcha halved my charge distance, and my reroll didn't save me.

Anyone know how to enable legacy captcha on mobile?
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>>53546565
The Avenger's the 40k equivalent of the A-10. It doesn't matter what the numbers say, it automatically wins due to superior parentage.
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Continuing anons from last thread because the 8th edition speculation was too strong for me. The Guard struck back by advancing threateningly towards the Space Marines in the words of one of the Priests "Put the fear of the Emperor and pointy sticks into those superhuman killing machines". Their fire was also fierce with lacannons severely damaged the enemy Rhino leaving the Marines inside shaking in their boots. The fire of the Guardsmen and their rifles was ignored as they were forced to look away from the advancing Deathwing Knights but their conscript brethren through some miracle of the Emperor and an artillery strike brought a few of the Marines down
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I think the new monolith rules are cool and overall i just wanna see what alot of units rules are like in the new edition but alot of what they've spoiled so far just has me anxious to read the actual goddamn rules to try and make sense out of their choices. Are they really just trying to go with "AoS+ in space"?
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>>53546616
Enjoy Doom, Infinite Overwatch, and Soulburst, and losing your KFF Meks and Painboyz to sniper fire, and not ever getting saves against Bladestorm since you start off at 6+ armor base.

Tempest Launchas focus on your Tankbustas first (since 2d6 shots, hitting on 3s/rerolling 1s). You hit rangers on 6s. Want to try to teleport? You will statistically lose in the Deny roll-off due to being up against Eldar.

Good luck man.
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This new guard edition is a clusterfuck. What do I even build? Vets are pretty much worthless without doctrines and only a few russ variants will be any good. Sticking 4 command squads loaded with flamers into a chimera looks fucking lulzy though. That Taurox prime too is scary as fuck, might have to get one and sort out some wheeled conversion.
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>>53546640
>tfw when I bought 20 and now regret nothing
>2 squads of wyches
>2 squads of hellions
>6 Reavers
>succubus

The cult is ready! Now I just need a voidraven so I can ANALLY OBLITERATE hordes
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>>53546613
Probably the first half of 4e, but I maintain that 5e had the most solid core rules. Unfortunately, the codices in 5e were bland garbage, and that's when codex creep really started getting obvious.
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>>53546639
Nice. My mech vets went up about 500pts, and are also no longer legal.
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>>53546656
a weapon to surpass metal gear
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Is it time to replace 60 multimeltas with heavy flamers?
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>>53546656
Isn't everything leaked by now?
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>>53546664
C-can I copy you?
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>>53546550
Well now we know why marines are male only. Selfish bitch wanted her harem of hunks all for herself.
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>>53546478
I love 8th
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>>53546601
Okay, everyone post that one 40k related picture you've been looking for an excuse to post for a while
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>>53546431
Change is scary for autists.
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You've done your part in the Degeneracy Crusade, right /40kg/?
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guys how do I build a grey knight list now
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Hordes on suicide watch
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>>53546663
Yeah. Vets moving to elite, and platoons disappearing means all the old guard lists are fucked.

I think we're going to see a lot of conscript bubble wrap this edition.

The prime can only hold scions, for raisins.
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>>53546699
of course brother
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>>53546559
They clearly do, though, dumb dumb. Aside from regular keywords and Faction keywords (all you idiots that want faction FLY are fucking idiots) they have types like <Sept> and <clan> are different types.

The books even say that on every individual army's splash page.
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>>53546371
Tyranids are viable now! All of our prayers have been answered!!
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>>53546671
>Expect veterans not to just hop out of a chimera, fire plasma guns and die in this edition

t. Games workshop

>New edition leaks
>No doctrines
>Stuck with a fucking 5+ save
>They hop out of a chimera, fire a plasma gun, then die

Fucking lying cunts. The only way I will use vets is to get bs4 weapon teams and sniper rifles I think.
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>>53546663
Dude, vets are the best plasma gunners of the entire game. Set them up with orders and they hit on 3+, reroll in 1s. Pair that up with lascannons and the fuck ton of rerolls we will get from command points, and vets will be awesome.
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Warhammer 40k (8th Edition): Age of Assassins

I hope you enjoy your 2+ hit, 2+ wound, no saves, D3 damage regular rifle shot. Terminators are the only thing with a chance of shrugging off one of these guys, and he's not going to have fun trying.
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>>53546712
That's more of a worry for space marines than tyranids or orkz.
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>>53546660
Thanks for the Reddit level autism of a breakdown of your meme list
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>>53546696
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>>53546712
>Kills 6.66 units in a horde, once a game
I'm not really worried. That's be like 21 points of conscript.
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>>53546728
Are you going to be doing this till release or...?
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>>53546712
Have you read the new flyer rules? Enjoy getting one of those off and then flying around in circles unless you are lucky enough to line up one more.
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>>53546712
>once per battle
>lose roughly 7 gaunts
Wooooow! So this is the might of the elves!
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>>53546636
I'd use it to play T'austra militarum, but I'm also the fag pointing our how it obviously doesn't work.
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>>53546712
Oh no they just killed twenty conscripts what will I possibly do
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>>53546710
With a gun
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>>53546715
Which campaign did you partake in?

I was there during Operation: Futa Firebombing
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So, there's multiple entries in the Nids Army List that say a unit can replace a weapon with one from the Basic Bio-Weapons list. One of those weapons is a spinefist, but they've only got values for 2 units taking them, Ravenger and Termagant. Are other units just screwed if they wanted them, even if it's under basic bio-weapons?
Also, the Trygon Prime has three pairs of massive scything talons, but I don't see why. In the weapon description it says simply having more than 1 pair of them gives an additional attack, but then that means you'd only need 2 pairs, and you can't replace any of them with a different weapon. Is the third just there to rack up the fucking cost of the Trygon?
I'm overall happy with what I've read, but there's a lot of little things that just seem strange.
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>>53546728
>I hope you enjoy your 2+ hit, 2+ wound, no saves, D3 damage regular rifle shot.
You bet your ass I'm enjoying this.
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>>53546727
Awesome for one round until someone points anything at them.
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>>53546728
Yeah all of the spacing are crazy cheap. It makes me want to field them all.

They're probably get a price hike soon.
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>>53546720
>Aside from regular keywords and Faction keywords
We're obviously talking about faction keywords here, anon.

>they have types like <Sept> and <clan> are different types.
Show me in the rulebook where "Sept" is a type.
You're implying that there's metadata in these keywords when there's absolutely no reason to believe they are anything but simple strings.
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>>53546523
Pls respond

Am i wrong? Are you also dismayed? Is the edition of the Vengeance finally here?
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>>53546744
Wasn't planning on it. It's my first time making that post as well. Is "Age of Assassins" already taken by some other fuccboi or are your knickers just in a twist?
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>>53546728
>only 1 shot a turn
>only 1-3 wounds a turn
>10 wound hive tyrant
>tyrant guard ablative wounds
>10+wound other MCs

>meanwhile
>turn 1 Trygon+genestealer wombo coming to eat your gunline
>gants running up the board to gobble the remains
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Rate my Draigowing

Draigo 240
Voldus 190
Apothecary 90
5x Terminator 220
--hammer, psycannon, stormbolters 41
5x Terminator 220
--hammer, psycannon, stormbolters 41
5x Terminator 220
--hammer, psycannon, stormbolters 41
Stormraven twin assault cannon, twin multimelta, twin stormstrike 303
Dreadknight H. Psycannon, Greatsword, Dreadfist 195
Dreadknight H. Psycannon, Greatsword, Dreadfist 195

Total 1996
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>>53546710
Brotherhood captain for double smite range
Ancient for the +1 attack banner
Strike squads to camp objectives
Interceptor squads to kill weaker units
Terminators for the pin-point deepstrike turn 1
Psycannons for units that will stay at range
Incinerators on units that can get close real fast (Interceptors)
Psilencer looks fun now with D3 damage, but with just Str 4 and no AP I wonder how often it will actually land an unsaved wound.

Dreadknights are probably good too but I don't plan on using those ugly fuckers.
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>>53546685
Depends on your fluff. See, my Succubus is a shadow Archon using another kabal as a front. The Archon of that kabal ""won"" a high spire dockyard betting on the arenas, which is patrolled by hired Scourges and occasionally used as training grounds for hellions and/or Reavers.
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>>53546779
Boo hoo bikes are no longer bullshit. Go cry somewhere else.
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>>53546371
How do you come up with cool names for homebrew space marine chapters, I'm struggling to find a name for my iron hands successor chapter
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>>53546739
>Thanks for the Reddit level autism of a breakdown of your meme list
I dunno about you, but the fact a meme list like this can slip through while you have nerfbats going to pretty much everyone else is rather damning.

But hey, this is the most playtested edition of 40k ever.
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>>53546663
You need someone to hold your hand experimenting with lists? Might be in the wrong game.
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>>53546780
Just a lot of doom saying recently.
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>>53546728
>>53546777
You have to forfeit a command point to use them.

So unless you're running double detachments, you're only going to have 1 command point to begin with.
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>>53546740
Those are amazing
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>>53546768
>and you can't replace any of them with a different weapon. Is the third just there to rack up the fucking cost of the Trygon?

The third is there because that's whats on the model. It doesn't rack up the cost of the Trygon, because the Trygon is the only unit that uses that weapon.

GW most likely decided on the cost of the Trygon ahead of time, then arbitrarily made the scything talons cost X points to make the Trygon cost that much.
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>>53546655
The lads steadied themselves for they knew what was next. They had not slain enough of the Space Marines and now they were coming to bring death. The covering fire of plasma cannons supported them as conscripts were vaporized in an instant. Lascannons targeted the weapons crews and a mighty explosion slew one of them. The combat soon was joined the Space Marines cutting a path through the Guardsmen but the Preachers fiery words let the frenzied Guardsmen kill two mighty Knights in return. Is anyone reading this? Honestly i wonder if anyone pays attention with all the 8th hype going around[spoiler ]
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>>53546773
At which point I will lose less then a hundred points worth of units, if they manage to kill the entire squad. Put them in some cover and they will have 4+ armor, which should have at least a couple of survivors when they get shot at by troops.
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>>53546523

>Bikes got nerfed into the fucking ground
>No rerollable 2+ cover

These are good things anon
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>>53546613
4th, but I played Nids. So I'm going to go with this one
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>>53546523
>DA player
You're already playing homosexual chaos marines
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>>53546796

>no anti tank or mc

rip
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>>53546818
They share the faction keyword <Imperium>. Doesn't that mean they are an elite choice to an Imperium detachment? The only rule is everyone bust share one keyword, right?
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>>53546809
Check the Rites of Battle expansion for Deathwatch, theres a name generator.
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>>53546760
My first campaign was for that moon that snowed cocaine every winter
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>>53546791
Why Draigo and Voldus ? Isn't one Grand Master enough, and don't you want at least one Brotherhood Captain for the increased Smite range ?
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>>53546798
Sounds pretty interesting. I wanna run 20 hellions. I dont give a fuck . 20 hellions and 30 wyches on the table with probably an obscene amount of reavers. Im gonna make this army fast as fuck. My leader will probably be an archon although I'm not too sure yet.
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>>53546778
>Show me in the rulebook where "Sept" is a type.
In Xenos 2 on the page where it talks about building a Tau army and discusses the <SEPT> keyword. There's something similar for chapters, ordos, orders, regiments, legions, marks, the five flavors of Feldarv, dynastys, clans, and any of the others I've forgotten.
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>>53546839
GK have always lacked in the anti-tank department. But with D3 damage melee weapons that is't as much an issue as it used to be, with every unit being able to at least cause up to 30 wounds on a single model in melee.
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>>53546844
Yes, they are.
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>>53546712
So if this thing flies over a squad of 10 guardsmen, the void raven rolls 10d6? and on 3ups the squad suffers wounds? that's how I'm reading that.
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>>53546810
I'm pretty sure you're b8'ing, but if you're not I'm just letting you know this is a terrible list unless GW has fundamentally changed the very core of what has made a good army for the past 10 years
It's actually a pretty terrible list just knowing the rules and stats for 8th
But whatever my guy, you do you
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>>53546768
You don't have to pay for the third set of talons on the Trygon.

The Spinefists thing is clearly a mistake that needs errata.
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Where are the rules for Hive Tyrant wings?

I heard that units get -1 to shooting at him, but I don't see any rule about it in the Index.

Also.

It says the Hive Tyrant has two sets of Scything Talons (or whatever you decide on giving it), and then it says that "he may take wings". No mention of taking any weapons away, despite the fact that wings take up one of those slots on the model. Does that mean I can have a Hive Tyrant with wings, a bonesword, and a stranglethorn cannon, for example?
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>>53546880
For every other. You fly over 10 guardsmen and roll 5d6.
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>>53546849
Archons are not as good as a succubus, especially with lots of cult units. The Archon is just kinda meh. Mostly because he has nowhere to go. If you have a big court you want to use, then that's cool.
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>>53546890
The Wing rules are on the Tyrant datasheet. They don't give him the -1 to be hit like other flyers, just more movespeed and the Fly keyword.

They do not take up a weapon slot, so you can in fact have wings, boneswords, and stranglethorn, yes, although it will take some conversion work.
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>>53546698
depersonalization.
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>>53546887
>>53546823
Ah, didn't catch that on the talons. Danke.
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>>53546853
Can you post a pic?
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So, I'm not seeing anything about shooting and facing now, so what's stopping vehicles (fliers) from shooting in any direction?
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>>53546848
Because for an extra 40 points, voldus gets all the sanctic powers and can cast all 3 in a turn, a better hammer, better statline, and reroll 1's for the squad of termies that draigo isn't with.

I could swap him for a captain with psycannon and hammer, but then I'd need to build up a new model with a psycannon and hammer.
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>>53546872
So what do they lose CP from? The only thing I've noticed gobbling up CP are the Auxiliary detachments.
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>>53546865

they also nerfed nemesis weapons rip
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>>53546899
Every other in this context doesn't mean alternating, it means every non-Vehicle non-Monster.
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>>53546847

Im in love with that fucking image. Emperor Childrens are best bastards
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>>53546824
Keep it up GGA
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>>53546371
Are the AoS rules so far pretty similar to the 8th ed 40k rules? Could I play a game of Skaven vs Tau with relatively little lost in translation?
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>>53546696
Only weebs with shit taste will understand.
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What faction has today been the worst for?
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>>53546740
I need Yes Man's face on all of them, now. Or the cop face of the securitron
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>>53546941
Not really because AoS uses static To Wound rolls, they don't have a strength and toughness system, and their monsters are therefore even more Wound-inflated than 8ths, among other things.
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>>53546941
As long as you make them the same <sept>
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>>53546824
The Guard were emboldened by their success in combat and the Conscripts marched towards it many of them eager for glory. And with the Rhino cracked open by lascannon fire the elite storm troopers arrived seizing objectives and readying themselves for battle. And a massed bayonet charge by the Conscripts would soon bring them into the melee.
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>>53546907
True. Grav-talons on reavers are stupid now if you didn't know. If you get charged and there are enemy models within 1" you roll a d6. roll that number of dice and on a 4+ they suffer mortal wounds.
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>>53546949
No one can agree on a worst yet
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>>53546928
That guy was suggesting that Assassins could only be taken as an Auxiliary. Unless they have a special rule that makes it true, it's not.
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>>53546824
Im reading it bro please keep posting <3
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>>53546949
That cat man seems really sad
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>>53546853

If that's the case, it would have been Farsight Enclaves SEPT and not Farsight Enclaves.

Checkmate.
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One pair Monstrous Scything Talons are 31 points on the hive tyrant. Tyranid "Monstrous Rending Claws" have no cost and can be taken instead of scything talons. You trade reroll 1s to hit and flat D3 for reroll all to wound and D3 damage.

Are the tiny t-rex arms a better choice? 31 point saving?
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>>53546995
Because it's David Bowie's cat
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>>53546963
>AoS uses static To Wound rolls
which is fucking retarded

>Watch as this literally mindless fucking zombie tears chunks out of a god of war Bloodthirster just as easily as it does to other zombies.
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>>53547006
Also the monstrous rending of 3 damage and AP-6 on 6s, which will come up often enough with rerolls to wound

Makes up a bit for losing the flat 3 damage
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Did the icons get spoiled for CSM yet?
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>>53547025
>logic
>in a fantasy game
Go on
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>>53547045

Damn. Literally every index was spoiled except that part.
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>>53546723
Just use command squads. Same but cheaper.
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>>53547025
Except that's not the same. If that zombie tears 1 wound from another zombie it's a dead corpse again. Tearing 1 wound from a bloodthirster is slightly amusing to it.
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>>53547045
Eveything for everyone has been spoiled, have you just crawled out from under a rock ?
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>>53547005
Farsight Enclaves is a Sept. duuuuuuuuuuuuhhh
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>>53546478
They have an 8 inch range.

Staying out of that is easy and the turkey's weapons have more range than that.
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>>53547006
If you're not doubling up on the talons for the +1 attack it's probably worth swapping.

The re-roll 1's to hit is really powerful though because the Tyrant hits on 2+, so it effectively never misses with the talons, not to mention the flat 3 damage is pretty superior in most cases to D3 damage with flat 3 only on 6's

Anyone want to math it out?
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>>53546712
omg not a handful of ork boyz! those never die by the bushel!
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>>53547045
>>53547055
No, we have those too.
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>>53547050
Even in fantasy world you need consistency. You don't see people in lotr shooting lasers from the asshole, is not what magic or technology does in that universe.
If they did, your suspension of disbelief would be shattered.
I hope you are baiting and you are just not an immense, drooling retard because by god, i cannot believe I have to explain thin on /tg/
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>>53547095
Sarcasm my dude
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>>53547064
Yes
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>>53546605

They look unchanged, except Sonic Blasters are better.

How are they doing on points cost?
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>>53546853
Okay, I dug up the pic.
It does not say that the keyword has any metadata; instead, it says that you replace <Sept> with the name of a sept of your choosing. The <Sept> keyword goes away and is entirely replaced by a new keyword. Since keywords contain no metadata, a sept named Wu Tang Clan has the same keyword as a kabal named Wu Tang Clan.

That said, I'll admit that the specific mention of Farsight Enclaves as an exceptional case introduces ambiguity about whether a sept name necessarily ends in Sept.
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>got an Eversor because they look baller, even though i collect CSM
>Now i want to collect an and Elite-ish inquisition/scion/assassin force
>have yet to play a game
You think they will have a new plastic inquisitor anytime soon?
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>>53547006
You're trading 1s to reroll to hit and guaranteed 3 damage for D3 damage, rending and less points. Personally, I prefer the Lash Whip and Sword because it costs less than the talons and is a bit better.

If you really need to skimp on points, Monstrous Rending Claws are okay but everything is much cheaper, you cna splash some points to make your tyrant choppy.
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>>53547095
Thanks man
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1848/1850 POINTS

HQ
Winged Hive Tyrant 170
2x Monstrous Scything Talons 41, Prehensile Pincer 1
Toxin Sacs 4
Total 216

Old One Eye
Total 140

Tyranid Prime 100
Boneswords 4, Flesh Hooks 2
Adrenal Glands 1, Toxin Sacs 4
Total 111

Troops
Warriors (x3) 60
Scything Talons 0, Boneswords 4, Flesh Hooks 2
Adrenal Glands 1
Total 81

Warrors (x3) 60
Scything Talons 0, Rending Claws 2
Adrenal Glands 1, Toxin Sacs 4
Total 81

Genestealers (10x)
Total 120

Hormagaunts (x20) 100
Adrenal Glands 20
Total 120

Elites
Zoanthropes (x3)
Total 120

Haruspex
Total 278

Deathleaper
Total 90

Dedicated Transport
Tyrannocyte 98
Deathspitters (x5) 40
138

Heavy Support
Carnifex (x2) 134
2x Monstrous Scything Talons 20, Bone Mace 2
Adrenal Glands 5
Total 188

Toxicrene
Total 165

For the perusal and analysis of the Gestalt.
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>>53547105
14 points per model, 4 for Sonic Blasters, 28 for Blastmasters, 22 for Doom Siren.
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>>53546818
I'm running guard, I'm going to have about 3-6 CP at 1000pts. If I felt dumb/cheesy I could get 12.
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So, why do GSC get to just be better AM? They get all the AM options, including superheavies and Sanctioned Psykers, plus their own armys' options, PLUS a third army's options!
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>>53547110
>people are going to try and pull this ruleslawyering shit
Best way to deal with it is just to walk away from the cunt, right?
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>>53547110

They're going to FAQ it for matched play regardless so why bother arguing about it?
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>>53547128
>>53547105

16 ppm.
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>>53547118
If it's pure melee tyrant with sword-whip go rending claws on the other arms to save budget since it won't be using the talons anyway?
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>>53547126
>Tyranid
Game declined
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My 7th Ed. 1,850 list now comes out to 2,403.

Many such cases?
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>>53547135
I mran guard gets all their stuff, along with the stuff that the rest of the imperium gets.
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So now that moving causes penalties to shooting heavy weapons, are Leman Russ Conquerors going to get an update?
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>>53547135
And AM gets all the Imperium options including Knights, Space Marines, Inquisition, AdMech, Assassins, and so on. What is your point?
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>>53546561
Vendettas will probably lose twinlinked bonus for no reason, thus neutering them almost completely. They did the same thing to the Russ Exterminator.
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>>53546696
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>>53547157
how many fucking transports did you have?
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>>53546883
Let's see:

8e DS rules = 9" no DS bubbles around everything = you can deny a hell of a lot of space.

Everything is either at least 2 wounds, save resistant, or is effectively 2+ via cover.

Everything can realistically threaten everything.

Most the stuff in front has Fly, so can disengage and keep shooting.

This is only 1000 points, not 1500 or 1850 standard.
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>>53546974
The Marines opened fire with bolters and plasma fire killing the innocent and glorious Stormtrooper assassination squad-I mean puppy rescuing squad with plasma cannons having to be used to kill the last stubborn survivor. The combat resulted in both squads of the Dark Angels being overwhelmed by bayonets and a charge from the still frenzied Conscripts shattering a tactical squad as an artillery round and multilaser fire killed those pesky Devestators.
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>>53547157

Yeah mine is like 2307
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So for Orks, how viable is getting squads around with Da Jump from a Weird Boy?
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>>53547135
GSC don't have Imperium faction keyword, so they can't have a space marines detachment in their army. That's their downside.

Guard's purpose are jobbers/gap filler for the main characters of 40k
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>>53546728
*Teleports behind you within 6"*
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>>53547189
I am gonna have so much fun with that motherfucker
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>>53547072
Still dumb it can happen
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>>53547171
Two Drop Pods and two Storm Ravens.
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>>53547161
But if they take <IMPERIUM> stuff, its at the expense of giving up their <ASTRA MILITARUM> strategems.

Granted, we haven't seen any faction stratagems yet, but we will soon. And GSC get to ally in a other faction without giving up their Genecult Strategems
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>>53547189
I dunno, mang. 5 attacks with WS 2+, S4, T4, and a 4++. This guy ain't fucking around even in melee.

What's the lictor statline these days? They are secretly my favorite assassin unit in 40k.
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>>53547155
>Taufag is this fucking buttmad
LOVING
EVERY
KEK

8th edition is truly going to be best edition
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>>53547197
Not really.
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>>53547157

My old list is unusable because SoB command don't exist anymore.
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>>53547110
Easier to read without the glare here >>53547095
When you choose a unit with <sept> you must nominate which SEPT it is from. When you choose a unit with <Legion> You must nominate which LEGION it is from. If you decide that the legion is Wu Tang Clan, then that's a legion. If you decide the sept is Wu Tang Clan, then it is a Sept. A <sept> keyword and a <legion> keyword are not the same thing.

So by both RAW and RAI, you're a fag.
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What are you guys working on tonight? I just finished a Sentinel, glad the rules for these guys are still good, especially Autocannons. 2 damage is fantastic
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So the cover thing... units only get cover if they are all entirely on or in terrain. Not if they obscured by it, or if one model is out of it. Only in the optional terrain rules do only vehicles and monsters get cover by being obscured. Infantry never get cover by being obscured unless they are within 1" of a barricade that separates them from the shooter. That's pretty weird.
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>>53547157
My GK terminator squads are like 126 points more expensive than they used to be. They do have double the wounds they used to have though.
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>>53547218
>A <sept> keyword and a <legion> keyword are not the same thing.
Doesn't say this anywhere. Keywords don't contain metadata.

The Wu Tang Clan sept may be a different entity than the Wu Tang Clan legion, but they share the same keyword.
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>>53547155

he didn't even bring ranged fexes, what's the problem?
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>>53547148
Sure. I tend to give my tyrant a gun though so it always does something in every phase. I'm a huge sucker for whip/sword/venom cannon, it's what I think THE tyrant looks like.

Budget wise, sword/whip and claws is the best option for pure melee. Tyrants seem really good now, especially foot tyrants.
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>>53546949

Tau have been awful quiet, though the Riptide almost doubling in points may have done that
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>>53546440
lovely plane
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>>53546371
So, looking at the facts, Torsion Cannons on Breachers are actually worth taking, as they are one of the better anti-tank weapons in the codex, and work as a good roadblock against heavy infantry that can hold its own.

Fucking shitty ass electropriests are amazeballs now, tossing out mortal wounds like candy.

Sicarians of both kinds got butt-fucked by the nerf bat, and are now delegated to the counter-charge role.

Vanguard and Rangers both kind of suck, Radium got a nerf and lost its horde clearing ability. Rangers are also a little weak, only getting AP occasionally.
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>>53547135
A better question is why Tau don't get the "Brood brothers" rule to represent Gue'vesa. Then I could field an army with the best BRRRRRRT from both factions.
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>>53547157
The list I was planning on runnning for 2000pts in 7th is now 2169. Its not too bad because I just have to remove one dreadnought+drop pod or a land raider.

Honestly this is good, much better than Fantasy's constant need for more models. Now its easier for newcomers to start the game or for anyone to get a 1500pt army of whatever.
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>>53546576
What a shit list.
At least pretend to include a something that can stop me.
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>>53547210
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>>53547269
Because Gue'vesa are rare and don't come with 99% of the stuff IG has, they're just humans in carapace armour with pulse rifles or lasguns and that's basically it.
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>Ld nerfed to fuck
>>>>>>>>>>Ld 6
>no move through memes
>no grav
>no move though fucking cover
>glav ap nerfed to shit
>no scout
where was you when red metal men died?
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>>53546696
never had a reason to post this
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>>53546523
>this is ok
>this is good
>this is actually fucking good
>this is ok
>this is debatable
>why are you whining
>why are you whining
You're an embarrassment to an already embarrassing gay jewish faction.
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>Tyranids and DEldar OP

>gaurd reduced to npc/ally codex

>already powergaming 8th ed before the launch date

>factions already walking over the core rules with exceptions

>taufags BTFO

Oh boy it's gonna one hell of an edition. Thank you Games Workshop for the most playtested edition ever!
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>>53547283
Just realized he can appear at >1" from enemies as long as it's NOT the character he's hunting
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>>53547243

Stripping a shedload of old Chaos Terminators to repaint them as Black Legion

I just hope we get a better Abaddon model, and ideally a Chaos Marine kit.
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>>53547243
Cataphractii terminator squad
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>>53547266
pity the electropriests look like ass. There goes my hopes of an all skitarii army. Radium got hit damn hard with ap 0 making the optiplex worthless with the new armor system.
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>>53546696
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>>53547295
also no haywire
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>>53547269
Maybe index xenos will have it? I hope with better rules, because actual gue'vesa suck

>>53547263
we already had the shock yesterday. today is for AM
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>>53547163
Hard to say. Vanilla Russes already have a stabilizer mounted in the turret which is more or less the only thing making Tank Commanders worthwhile (RIP regular Russ entirely). So I guess the Conqueror would get bonus movement?

But the thing is you can already friggin' move a Russ in new addition. A TC ordering his Russ to full throttle can shift his tank a whopping 22-32 inches in one turn. Shame Tank Shock no longer works, because I'd love if a bunch of genestealers charged me, only for my entire tank line to turboboost into the enemy's deployment zone.

Also, guardsmen can now move 6+D6+6+D6 inches per turn, or 14-24 inches. This is the most mobile I've ever seen the imperial guard.

I imagine the Conqueror will get a slightly weaker battle cannon BUT it will be a unique cannon that's Assault D6. So now you can move 10+D6 inches and fire.
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>>53547163
If we do, I hope we get a model that actually looks like a fast Leman Russ rather than just a Leman Russ with a smallish gun.
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>>53546696
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So I told GW to AoS 40k and they actually did it the absolute madmen
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>>53547167
I'd scream if they did that because the conversion kit has 6 Lascannon barrels compared to the Exterminator staying Heavy 4 for having 2 Autocannon barrels.
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>>53547333
The issue is firing accurately the same turn the Leman Russ moves.
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>>53547308
Yearly rebalancing, Anon.
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>>53547308
>>gaurd reduced to npc/ally codex
Huehuehue

Guard are going to be stronk. Especially when large blasts can't remove them by the bucket.

Movement trays are going to be a must for the 200+ model armies.
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>>53546728
So Boss Nobs and Sergeants aren't characters right?
Can't find anything that says otherwise.
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>>53547333
Can TC order his own tank?
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>>53547341
Lmao pics or it didn't happen
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>>53546782
> A few Culexus stop you cold
Cute. I should rebase my old metal Culexus on a 32mm base, since it'll let me stop hordes better.
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>>53547283
Huh. So SCS works in melee too, I imagine? Besides that, it's actually a closer fight than I thought it'd be. Vindi always gets 4++ against it, but S6 and D2 with four attacks will dispatch him quickly. In return though, his 2+ hit and 4+ wound against 5+ save with 5 attacks would do some damage, but SCS turns that hit into a 4+, so it's no longer close.
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>>53546487
My group always calls those "Bug Hunts"
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>>53547283

nasty, pick off their psyker or something
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>>53547177
Even as the Conscripts marveled at their good fortune many of the men exhausted from their encounters with the Space Marines plasma cannon fire slammed into their position killing those who were not smart enough to run for cover. Lascannons rapidly targeted the Chimera leaving it damaged but lucky it had not gone up in a fiery explosion.
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>>53547338
Hoyl fuck my sides
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>>53547355
The only thing better than GW balance is obviously Blizzard balance.
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>>53547311
Read it again. He's got to show up within 6, or what he's stalking.
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>>53547360
>Tfw still have another 30+ Guardsmen to paint but it's still only going to bring me up to 100 or so
>Going to need at least another 50

Fucking horde armies man
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>>53547254
Doesn't matter. the <sept> place holder keyword and the <legion> place holder keywords are the actual keywords, and those key words, by the letter of the rules, "represent" either a sept or a legion keyword, respectively.

Sure, you're replacing <Legion> but you're replacing it with a legion. You can't replace it with anything but a legion. Whether or not that legion has the same name as a sept makes no god damned difference at all.

It says right there that you can use any sept you've read about or you can make a sept up. But whatever you fill replace that placeholder with will be a sept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek
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Is it fucked up if I take an entire Space Marine force where everyone has a jump pack?
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>>53547378
Deathleaper is also only 90 points. How much is the Vindicare in nu edition?
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>>53547398
I feel you nigga, I can't even finish up my 50 man platoon fast enough
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>>53546728
Aw, he's not a hammerhead anymore.
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>>53546728
>mfw bought all 4 assassins just before 8th because I thought they looked cool
I'm nutting so hard right now
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>>53546431
Grognards and Autists
Don't be fooled by their pessimism, within a week after launch they'll be extremely WAACfaggin your meta until the first FAQs arrive
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>>53547287
The gue'vesa on taros, at least in the fluff, were literally that planet''s PDF.

Crunch, they were mostly lasguners, with the option for the sarge to take a pulse rifle.

(There were also some Mine gangs, which could take IG equivalent stuff and were mildly Culty.)
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>>53547418
90 points
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>>53546608
This post shows both a fundamental misunderstanding of how 8th works as well as shit taste.
bravo anon.
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>>53547338

Got the Mortarion one?

And are there more? There need to be more.
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>>53546371
>https://mega.nz/#F!z4wmmJyR!jTfwLczhdFjV0q6nowtGag!qgZhmAhK
Remove this plz.

The leaked pic in pdf format.
https://mega.nz/#F!ToIUlLiR!o91HYGSY9WBNpei5P_2bTw
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>>53547400
>But whatever you fill replace that placeholder with will be a sept.
But that doesn't matter because you're replacing it with the keyword Wu Tang Clan. Whether Wu Tang Clan represents a sept, a chapter, a kabal, a clan, or a legion is irrelevant and nowhere in the rules is it ever implied that keywords have any kind of metadata.
If all your units have the keyword Wu Tang Clan you can put them in your army.
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>>53547394
I mean if the target is near another unit, you can be closer to them and you're not required to attack the mark first
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>>53547308
>DEldar OP
In what way? We lost ramming, our monofiliment is just as shitty, FNP is locked at 6+, Chronos doesn't help anyone against shooting, wych weapons are cloned shit, Lelith is a regular succubus now down to the drugs (despite the hiked cost) etc. The only pluses I saw were a slight point reduction of kabalites and the ability to choose your combat drug now. Oh, and we're fast finally. Am I missing something big?

>>53547418
Also 90.
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>>53547446
no, don't have mortarion, it's not as good anyway I think. I've never seen any others, but there should be
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>>53546608
>won't be using their cover saves against you
>cover saves
Anon are you retarded
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>>53547415
Why would it be ? I mean Blood Angels used to do that all the time, and Night Lord players are probably gonna need to refresh their pants when they realize that is possible for them now.
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>>53547418
>>53547441
I suddenly want to play a game where Deathleaper and a Vindicare hunt each other down around the board

It'll be like The End in MGS3.
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How would they even FAQ the Wu Tang Clan conundrum without putting out a list of official sanctioned craftworlds/septs/kabals/etc? The only thing I can think of is modifying the keyword to be <Sept> Sept, rather than just <Sept>.
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>>53547378
It's less about killing him and more about keeping him busy till something bigger gets there.
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>>53547441
>>53547458
Neat!

Deathleaper as an anti-assassin assassin sounds fun as fuck.
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The new primaris plasmarines worth using by the looks of it?
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>>53546696
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>>53547338
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>>53547458

Everyone trying out the rules says so
Soooo....
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>>53547057
Ablative wounds are nice, but yeah.

I think I'm going to proxy all my vets as scions, until someone complains or I get new models.
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>>53547465

Do it.

Shit, make it a Kill Team match, where both teams try and play each other while a Deathleaper and a Vindicare run around the board, each trying to kill each other and killing everyone who gets in their way.

When one Kill Team wins, everyone gets off the board and the Deathleaper and Vindicare show down.
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>>53547350
Exterminator was my fucking baby, I am incredibly salty that they gave it a completely unnecessary nerf. They even said that TL was becoming double shots for everything.

If fucking Predators have four or six or whatever lascannons now because of TL changes, I can have four extra fuckin' autocannon shots. It's not that strong.
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>>53546696
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>>53547476
They don't need to faq it, you just need to not play with people so autistic they think it works

No TO will allow it and if you find someone who tries it in a pickup game laugh at him for being a sperg and play with literally anyone else
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>>53547476
It's easy, a Keyword that fills in a bracketed keyword only works for abilities that reference that same bracketed keyword.
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Post yfw 8th edition
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>>53547507
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>>53547476
Probably by imposing superstructures, ie you need <tau empire> for <sept> stuff to work. So <tau empire> <wu tang clan> is different from <traitor astartes <wu tang clan>
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>>53547381
The Chaplin fresh from destroying the Devil Dog laughed at his success but then froze realizing his mistake even as the conscripts and remaining Stormtroopers broke his lines. He was speared by beams of light as lascannon weapons teams brought his end leaving the Guard the victors on the field. But at a massive cost with around 70 brave men going on to meet the Emperor. Was super fun anons especially because i finally was the one winning in melee with Guardsmen swimming all over the marines.Any games that you played anons? And tell me if you enjoyed the batrep should have one with Carcharadons Saturday too.
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>>53547398
I know what you mean.
I've got a 120 guys, and about half of them still need paint.

For a competitive build, I'm probably going to need even more.
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>>53547504
This.

RAWfags are the worst fucking autists on the planet.
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>>53547507
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>>53547505

That's how it works already
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>>53547497
Unfortunately I don't play Tyranids nor do I own Deathleaper. Neither do I really know anyone who plays them.
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>>53547507
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>>53547464
>night lords are the raptor legion xD
This meme needs to die

Also, we had raptor troops, so we could go 100% jump packs anyway. Plus there was the raptor talon any CSM could take. What's your point?
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>>53547464

Yeah but I can have Death Company with bolters and jump packs for that sweet mobility and still having 24" range.
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>>53547529
It's how it's intended to work.
It's not what RAW says, though.
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>>53546696
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>>53547388
>Blizzard balance
never utter such witchcraft again!
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>>53547507
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>>53547543
RAW says sept to sept
RAW does not say sept to any arbitrary faction keyword you feel like.

sept
to
sept
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>>53547491
>everyone says
Well, that's... not very telling. Deldar are three very different factions rolled into one book: kabal, cult, and coven. In the previous edition, covens were solid and the cult was absolute dogshit while kabals filled the gaps. I'm sure we can still be good if we spam fliers and monsters or something daft like that, but just "you can be good" doesn't tell me anything about my army.

We've got really weird shit going on like lhamaeans being frontliners with lots of wounds and a huge increase in cost. Is that something being used, or are people just abusing voidbombs?
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>>53547451
Ok lady, I love you. Bye bye.
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>>53547555

It does not say Sept to Sept, it says <Keyword> to <Keyword>
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>>53547243
>Autocannon Sentinel
Good man! Though I'd run scouts with autocannons and Armored with plasma, myself. Especially now that Plasma Cannons aren't 'kill self' devices.

Though I might only do that if the plasma cannon is ONLY available for the armored sentinel. Can someone check that?
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>>53547555
You replace <Sept> with a new key word representing the sept of your choice.
If a sept and a chapter have the same name, they have the same keyword.
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>>53547362
Had someone tell me how strong snipers are now, picking off special weapons and Sgts.
Pretty sure they're full of shit.
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>>53547458
>FNP is locked at 6+
I believe this is the new base for FnP in all armies
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I just found out that AoS has a Khorne unit called "Bloodsecrator" today..

Yeah...
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>Reading rules for 8th tonight since all the books are scanned
>Sounds pretty good, should set up a game for this weekend
>Ask friend if he wants to play some 8th via tabletop simulator
>He starts whining and asks "When he is going to see me again."
>Says he wants to "go out and do something with me."

Well boys I think my 40k friend might be gay after all, and I'm in no mood to have my ass reamed by a 325 lb fa/tg/uy.
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>>53547566
Look at it again. It says sept.

It's right there. post the page again I'll draw a circle around it for you sweetie.
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>>53547573
>Plasma Cannons aren't 'kill self' devices.

No emergency venting on the sentinel though, so you're paying for more than you'd ever sensibly use.
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>>53547482
Yes, they are concentrated batteries of rape.
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>>53547476
It's already fine, you just have to read the entire rule instead of only skimming enough to confirm what you want to hear.
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>>53547498
Not only that the Exterminator has gone UP in cost. There's no damn reason for it.

Hell, the HYDRA fires that many, and short of the greatest roll of all time it's not going to be oneshotting planes.
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>>53547586
You can shoot plasma cannons without supercharging them, so there's no gets hot involved. They're still as powerful as 7e plasma cannons when doing the normal shot.
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>>53547577
Except necrons who get 5+ (E V E R Y _ T U R N) stock which can still increase to 4+ with a cryptek and get a second roll for kicks if they are near a ghost ark. Deldar, in comparison, get 6+ max, do not get a bonus from haemonculi anymore, and they do not get a bonus for shimmying up to a Chronos. It's slightly baffling.
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>>53547507
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>people complaining about grey knights being limited by rule of one for psykers

I don't get it.

Did you even play 7th edition grey knights? Do you know what warp charges do? Do you really think I wasted charges on fucking hammerhand for every squad?

At least now everybody does *something* and I don't even have to pray to the dice gods to get gate of infinity anymore
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>>53547476
Or you can tell anyone who pulls this shit to stop being autistic and give them a swift backhand.
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>>53547576

Nigga you could already do this with two Rhinos. Just leave a pinhole that gives LoS only to the special weapon
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>>53547586
D3 S7 AP-3 D1 is solid, especially compared to the other weapons the vehicle has access to. And plasma's only 15 points now instead of 30. And if you REALLY need something dead...
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>>53547507
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>>53547579
>have my ass reamed by a 325 lb fa/tg/uy.
You could just let him go between your thighs.

Not only does it not tear up your butthole but you can like take the tip of his dick in your hand and clasp your dick against his so your kinda jerking both off.
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>>53547507
Mostly I'm just happy with the rules. I don't actually think DE are OP. Ynnari seem way stronger.
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>>53547580
The sept's name is just another keyword, anon.
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>>53547110

What the fuck is this bullshit? Anyone who has to crack open a computer science textbook to explain why their Super Secret Cheat Code for their Adult Action Figure game is a certified cockjob. If anyone brings this out in a game, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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>>53547619
>but you can like take the tip of his dick in your hand and clasp your dick against his so your kinda jerking both off.

What the actual fuck
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>>53547613
You're retarded if you didn't hammerhand your squads that were in close combat.

Going from 4+ to wound to 3+, cutting up daemon princes, smashing vehicles with halberd etc.
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>>53547507
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>>53547575
No, they have two distinct faction keywords with identical spelling.

Tau units can't have chapters, and Space Marines can't have Septs.
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>>53547616
OR you can go 2 s7 ap-2 d2 Autocannon shots and not die.
How much are Autocannons again? 10 points?
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>>53547619
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>>53547110

It says Shadowsun is from T'au Sept, not T'au, so you have to add the word Sept after your Sept name you stupid faggot.
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>>53547633

It's just holding both your dicks together and jerking them off, how is this hard to understand?
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>>53547577
Death Guard/Nurgle is 5+, Tyranid Catalyst is 5+, I believe there are numerous other examples
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>>53547579

Your life sounds so sad. I should not have smoked weed before visiting this godforsaken place.
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>>53547619
I just want to play 40k anon, I like girls (female).

F-for the emperor, I guess.
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>>53547630
a specific keyword, can you guess it? It's right there on the page hun.
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>>53547645
A keyword is a keyword is a keyword.
If two keywords are identical, then they're the same keyword.
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>>53547613
GK don't seem that limited by the Rule of One, considering only the one or two HQ choices you can fit in a armylist will know something else than Smite anyway.
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>>53547507

>[insert image of [40k unit from army I play] euphorically rubbing cheeks with blood]
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>>53547615
Now the defender allocates wounds however they feel, even guys out of line of site and range.
But it looks like Snipers can only target dudes with the character key word. Seems Boss Nobs and such lack any sort of identifier. I don't even see "Boss Nobs" mentioned in the Ork index section.
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>>53547507
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I want to join the conversation on how much better Tyranids got and why but I'm new
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>>53547672
So by your logic I can make my sept Lord Kaldor Draigo and everything in my list is now Draigo.
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>>53547647
Hey, I getcha. The autocannon is my baby. Ol' Pom-pom.

I run most of my chimeras with autocannons per the FW rules. I really hope that's still in (they're still selling that turret, anyway).

But I also want something to distinguish my Armored sentinel models, and the idea of a fast, small unit that can hit like a krak missile and fire multiple shots while doing so is just great to me.

Even if he's risking his life doing so. He's a Guardsman! He's used to it!
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>>53547670

Baby, look closer. When you specify <Sept>, you can specify Farsight Enclaves, and nowhere in those two words is the word Sept. You don't really think it says Farsight Enclaves Sept, do you? Thus, you can put anything in that Keyword, while putting something like "Vior'la Sept" is necessary for Aun'shi.
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>>53547654
The specific exception of Farsight Enclaves implies a rule like this, but RAW is ambiguous on it.

>>53547670
If my sept is named Wu Tang Clan then I replace it with the keyword Wu Tang Clan.
This isn't hard to understand, anon.

>>53547697
Yeah, that's what RAW seems to say.
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>>53547694
>newfags trickling in to play the good faction after we had to put up with a decade of abuse is already starting
No. Go back.
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>>53547680
Uh no. Literally everything in the GK list that can cast a power, ALSO knows a single power from the sanctic list.

Termi squads
Dreadnknights
etc
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>>53547507
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>>53547710
But anon i started playing last year am i allowed?
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>>53547507
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>>53547655
Except that's not even possible unless he's got like a 2 foot long dong.
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>>53547507
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>>53547709
>that's what RAW seems to say
That's the thing seems.

It doesn't. You're just being autistic. Anything that proves you wrong you screech and say it doesn't count.
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>>53547619
Pls stop.
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>>53547733

You face each other so they both touch when your hips touch. And if his bellyfat gets in the way, you have him lay down and sit on top so you have access to his dick. This isn't very hard to math out anon, this is basic science.
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>>53547710
I've been around the hobby for a long time but I've never played the game. I chose tyranids a long time ago but decided on them this edition before rules were even leaked. I didn't intend on making them my only army either, my alternate being a rough rider centric IG army.
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>>53547507
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>>53547687
Yes, sergeants are completely hidden and safe. Your power klaw will be the last model standing in the squad if you want it to be.
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>>53546523
Play 6th and forget 8th ever existed, I'll start using 5th ed deldars and never look back again
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>>53547761
No but I mean like through his thighs how is that even possible unless he has a really long dick or chicken legs.
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>>53547715
Doesn't matter. Even though they know smite and another, they all just cast one power per turn, which can always be smite if the others have been used up.
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>>53547743

Then Farsight Enclaves literally cannot work, because if you assign yourself the Farsight Enclaves keyword, it becomes "Farsight Enclaves Sept" and no longer synchs up to Farsight's Farsight Enclaves keyword.
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>>53547743
Nowhere in the book does it say that <Sept> and <Legion> are always different even if the names are identical. Nowhere in the book does it say that you have to append "Chapter" or "Clan" to the end of a made-up name.

RAW says you can do it. It's obviously not intended and I'm not saying that you should do it or that it will work at a tournament. I'm just saying, RAW says you can do it and it will probably be FAQ'd. I'm arguing because I'm bored.
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>>53547761
Why is this happening in this thread.

I don't want to hear about fat faggots.

At least make the discussion about pretty skinny twink trap faggots.
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Are there any space marine chapters who secretly worship chaos?
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>>53547609
Necrons. Have they ever been bad? Sorry man, but looks like Necrons won't lose many models fast enough

>>53547656
oops, my bad then. Tau's injector is 6+
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>>53547428
Platoons are bye bye now. Better start putting whitestripes on those guys for conscripts.
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>>53547794
Yeah, like 9 of them.
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>>53547794
Ultramarines
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>>53547776

If he lays down flat, have him keep his legs together so you can straddle them.
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>>53547794
You mean other than the gay ones in the green armour?
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>>53547794

Dark Angels. They're son secretive about it, they kill people for knowing about it
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>>53547794

Dark Angels.

Space Wolves, but they don't realize it because they're too fucking stupid. It's more like their every action serves Chaos in a way that is not obvious to them.
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>>53547817

This anon holds the truth
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>>53547787
Farsight Enclaves has an explicit exception in the rules. It says you can choose "Sept name" or instead exactly the word "Farsight Enclaves".
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>Badrukk, Zagstruk, and Snikrot are all toughness 4 despite bosses being toughness 5
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>>53547709

Even if you were right about RAW being ambiguous, what's not ambiguous is how GW has made it very obviously clear that RAI trumps RAW. They've removed entire gameplay mechanics just to fix basic game mechanics that were never even contested as RAW vs. RAI, just to show their RAI intent.
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>>53547810
Look. I'm gay and even you are grossing me out.

300 pound fa/tg/uys generally have the worse hygiene ever. They are nasty and gross. No one except desperate pig-girls and pig-boys would ever consider them...and that's so rare we have the Wizard-Meme.

Stop this shit son and get back to 40k.
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>>53547788
You just quoted exactly where it says that it does.

Hint: It starts with an S
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So if there's some good to come out of this whirlwind of chaos, Deldar fliers are definitely stronger (endless missiles for DAAAAYS), and I can finally, FINALLY take my small few harlequin units without bending backwards through those weird detachment hoops. I have 3 death jesters and a 10-man troupe. It's time to let my murder clowns run free along my murder boyz once again.

Still not sure about my cult girls, but damned if I'm not going to run them. I'll ram a half-dressed boat of them right into melee and let them shoot their pistols for all I care. Try and stop me.
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>>53547796
>>53547428
I wouldn't necessarily do that. You may still want you 50 guys to help you fill out a Brigade Detachment.
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>>53547788

Well, can you turn your attention to the anon that's going to be fucking the other fat 40k player? Because from how this discussion is going it's not going to work out.

Though most likely they will include a list of different Septs/Clans/Chapters/<Group> from which to choose, each possibly granting the inclusion of special characters (Farsight from Farsight Enclaves, Shadowsun from T'au Sept) and we can hope that they'll also grant a few minor, flavorful special rules on top.
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>>53547787

That proves you are wrong and he is right, because it prevents you from using a "Farsight Enclaves" sept, because Farsight Enclaves IS ALREADY AN EXISTING KEYWORD
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>>53547835
They've never been warbosses ya git.

>It_say_'ere_ur_a_git.jpeg
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>>53546912
Obviously you use a bonesword in the lower left arm socket, just the gun portion of the stranglethorn in the lower right arm socket, then give the stranglethorn a bonesword bayonet.
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>>53547855
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>>53547817

That ain't worshipping Chaos


Might as well say BA successors worhsip Khorne
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>>53547836
see >>53547788
I'm not suggesting that people use this.
I'm just pointing out that it's definitely allowed by RAW and therefore anyone saying it doesn't have to be FAQ'd is wrong.

>>53547846
They will likely just clarify that you have to append "... Sept" or "... Legion" to the end. As I've already said, this is implied by the mention of Farsight Enclaves as a special exception, but it doesn't seem to actually be required.
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>>53547788
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>>53547849
>>53547787

So Farsight Enclaves is an existing Sept, I'll admit I was wrong there, but it still doesn't say anywhere you HAVE to put Sept after the word, only that it's advisable to do so to trigger off certain special characters.

"Replace the name of the keyword with your chosen sept,", well, I choose "Wu Tang Clan," because it's not telling me to make <Wu Tang Clan> Sept, it's telling me to make <Wu Tang Clan>.
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>>53547810
Wouldn't his leg hair create too much friction or something though?

or I mean even if it didn't would that really hurt, like your leg hair would get torn out. I mean eventually yeah you'd wear a smooth spot between his thighs but that shit would hurt wouldn't it?

>>53547840
Well have you ever done a thighjob with another guy, maybe you can shed some light on this because it makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

If not stfu and maybe learn something.
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>>53546656
Traitor!
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>>53547863
Its the woodland critter spirits that make them chaos worshippers.

>thousand sons do it
>wolves burn down prospero

>wolves do it
>thousand sons burn down fenris
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A couple of odd questions I may be stupid to find the answer for myself:

First, it says assault weapons get -1 to hit, just like Heavy weapons. Is the "If you do" referring to firing them after advancing or "If you do fire them."? It seems the latter from what I can tell, but there's also nothing hinting that you get full BS even if you stand still.

Secondly, pistols can be fired in melee again finally - but you do it in the Shooting phase now. Does that mean someone like an ass marine or a wych locked in melee gets to fire their pistols in the shooting phase, then also gets to attack normally in the following fight phase? Double attacks for anyone with a pistol and a melee weapon? And this oddity only works for pistols, right? If you're locked in melee, by the wych ability for example, no one but pistol holders get to shoot at all - but all pistol holders do get to shoot, always?

To my understanding, that makes something like lobstertits a bit worse in melee.
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>Daemon Prince weapons are different now
>claws are ap -2 D2 +3A
>sword is just ap-2 D3
>axe is +1S ap-3 D3
>sword and axe are 40+ points
>claws at 10

Gee wow I wonder which I'm going to take.
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>>53546949
Csm by virtue their legions rules lasted six months and most of their characters are shit now.
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>>53547917
You get the -1 to hit if you advance and then fire. Yes, you can fire pistols and then attack in the fight phase.
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>>53547647
>10 points
15 same as plasma.
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>>53547870

They'll probably add a list of canon Septs and whatnot to replace the empty faction things with, and specify that these are dependent on the Codex used. So Vior'la Sept is exclusive to Tau Empire or something.

However, given how Detachments work, doesn't each Detachment need to be filled out entirely with units from its own faction first? And are <Faction> keywords shared between or exclusive to Detachments?

If they have to be separate detachments, and they can't share between, then Wu Tang Clan (Necrons) and Wu Tang Clan (Tau) can't share special rules.
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>>53547929
Is that papi?
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>>53547881

Well, I mean it's gay sex, so of course you're using lubricant so friction shouldn't be an issue. It's not like you're going to end up jacking yourselves into a small campfire or something.
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>>53547917
>First, it says assault weapons get -1 to hit, just like Heavy weapons.

Wrong. Assault weapons only suffer a -1 To Hit if the unit Advanced (aka ran) in its movement phase.

>Does that mean someone like an ass marine or a wych locked in melee gets to fire their pistols in the shooting phase, then also gets to attack normally in the following fight phase?
Yes there is nothing preventing models from attacking normally after using their pistol. Though you only fire pistols in your own Shooting Phase.

>And this oddity only works for pistols, right?
Yes. Only models locked in combat themselves can fire pistols, and in that case only at the closest enemy model. There is no other way to fire into or out of combat.
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>>53547954
>needing to ask
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>>53547863

No, I mean like DIRECTLY serve chaos. Grimnar's axe was literally forged by Khorne himself.
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>>53547893

THOUSAND SONS ARE JUSTICE
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>>53547964
>Wrong. Assault weapons only suffer a -1 To Hit if the unit Advanced (aka ran) in its movement phase.
I'm not crazy for not seeing it right away, right? The "If" does not come across as inherent to the very poorly chosen "even" statement.
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>>53547870

And RAW doesn't mean shit. The game doesn't even work in RAW and will bluescreen or infinite loop. If RAI is so fucking glaringly obvious why even bother pointing out that the RAW is wrong. Want to point out typos and claim they break rules by RAW too moron?
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>>53547948

Selecting from a list of canon-approved Septs or Craftworlds or Clans will be the death knell of Your Dudes. I know those who believe in Your Dudes are a dying breed, but still.
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>>53546728
>1 shot per turn
>d3 damage
>people think this is amazing
seems overcosted at 90 points if that's all he does
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>>53547978
Guess not. There are people still not understanding that you can't get a 2++ with the current Mark Of Tzeentch no matter what weird mental gymnastics you use.
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>>53547996
Well it used to be 135 pts for 1 shot at 4+, and you had to choose if you wanted it to do D3 damage, hit on 2+, or ignore invulnerable saves. Now it has all of that, always, at a massive point reduction.

It's amazing for what changed.
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>>53547986
If we're going by RAW then most deep-strike units can't actually be put 'in reserves'

Unless you happen to have a real battlebarge parked up in orbit that you didn't tell us about.
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>>53547996
Being able to put D3 damage onto any character you like every turn is pretty big.
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>>53547993

Well, a list would provide a guideline. They'll probably make a note about making up your own stuff for it. I mean, it doesn't stop us from making custom Chapters that we only have maybe a dozen or so unique ones to choose from, plus half a dozen more or so from Forge World.

I imagine it's not like you would be forced to choose only from the list, though as much will probably be tournament-standard anyway.
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>>53547174
Cute, a 7th edition WAACfag recycling their edition windrider spam
It's really a shit list
Have fun praying for 6's so most your shit has any chance of AP
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>>53548009
Except that wounds increased across the board. Even simple terminators now have 2 wounds.

Characters have like double wounds.
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>>53548014
Only AP -3. Even with a 3+ you still get some kind of save.
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>>53547794
Flesh Tearers. Although they murder tons of innocent guardsmen willy nilly so they aren't even that secretive about it.
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>>53547978

No, I'm not sure how that could be interpreted wrong.

But, we got clarification already.
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>>53547243
Dork Eldar
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>>53546371
So, looking at the Indexes, Dark Angels have lost all their fun stat debuffing tricks from Psychic Powers and Rad weapons.

And the Darkshroud looks less useful than before, while the Vengeance is probably a bit more viable, with less chance to kill itself with its main gun?
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>>53548034
Still fairly reliable damage. It's not instant killing warlords but it's pretty damn dangerous to any secondary HQ's.
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>>53547243
Scions. Bareheaded scions.
I still cant paint fucking eyes for shit. Half of my dudes look like retarded crackheads.
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>>53547993
How exactly? Unless you're required to paint them to match where they're from it would be just like current chapter tactics. It's not like having a certain <forge world> on a model for the sake of rules prevents you from fluffing them up as being from a custom forge world.
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>>53547694

>lack of grenade fight order issue removed
>stomp 1-shotting monstrous creatures removed
>instinctive behavior no longer causes friendly models to eat each other
>shadow in the warp actually does what it is supposed to do again
>deathleaper, trygon, & others charging out of reserve
>warriors 20 pts
>fexes 100 pts
>spore mines and warp blasts cause massive mortal wounds
>psychic powers are good
>oval base monstrous creatures with 14 wounds
>FMC turn 1 charge
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>>53548031
I can't tell if your a tau player or what, but no one expects a model to just auto-kill its target in a single turn every turn, especially not for that low of points. A 90 pt vindi isn't going to be knocking out 150 pt character every turn "just because."
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>>53546925
Nothing :^)
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>>53547295
Playing 7th ed with my group that said fuck this bullshit, we just used our favourite edition codex from our armies and apply the buffs we want from newer codex for those who need it.
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>>53548073
>That pic

Well, with those knockers though ...
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>>53547710
Tyranids were always the race I'd play if I could be bothered to learn this game. But the rules were so stupid before, and I hear they're getting simplified.
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I'm just getting into Admech/Skitarii, are they really that bad now? Are they unplayable tier? I'm hardly a competitive player but I want to be able to have a chance against other players.
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I'm confused

>Cypher
>carries a particularly interesting sword on his back

His model has a giant sword.

But, Cypher's rules don't even give him a melee weapon. Why?
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>>53548073
Yeah that's the thing. For 90 points you could slap a few lascannons onto something and cause some real damage.
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>>53547993
>Selecting from a list of canon-approved Septs or Craftworlds or Clans will be the death knell of Your Dudes.
Thank God. I want the special snowflakes to fuck off.
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>tfw I can use a non-psychic ability to summon Khorne daemons and there's nothing you can do about it
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>>53548099
A lascannon doesn't help you kill characters.
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>>53548097
It's not his to use. He's just holding it for a friend.
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>>53548097
He don't use the sword.
It's the Lions sword. He's just carrying it.
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>>53548097
He *used* to have a C'Tan phase blade for a close combat weapon.

But then they did away with being able to ignore invulnerable saves.

I think the sword is just a tongue in cheek reference to that.
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>>53548097

It's Lion's sword. He doesn't use it because he is secretly a good guy with respect for his primarch.
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>>53548099
But not from 72" away, and certainly not with the same survivability as anything the IG (my army) can work out. I'd need a tank, which already costs loads more. The point is, the assassins finally became a fun, viable choice for most armies that always thought of them as a waste of time.
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>>53546728
I really like the Callidus and Culexus. None of them seems OP though. They toned down the Culexus's offense quite a bit although he's just as hard to kill.
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>>53547458
It's a mene, don't let them get you, non eldar players are the worst to talk about an army they never try out.
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>>53547993
>Selecting from a list of canon-approved Septs or Craftworlds or Clans will be the death knell of Your Dudes
Except that's not true at all considering that Chapter Tactics already does this and simply explains that Your Dudes don't necessarily have to be part of the Chapter you get the rules from, they're just the most similar and best representation.
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So I'm figured out my "8th" choice options that only require assembly/paint. I have to many models that need to be stripped if I were to consider "all my collection" for an army...

Ultra Marines
-T-Cap, Power 8
-T-Chap, 7
-Ten man,9
-Scout Squad, 6
-Ven Dread, 8
-5x Shooty Term, 13
-2x5 Assault Term, 26 total
-Predator, 9

Total Power Level 86

Sisters of Battle
-Celestine, 8
-Canoness, 4
-3x10 Sisters, 8x3, 24 Total
-Celestial Squad, 5
-Dominion Squad, 5
-2x Immolator, 5x2, 10 Total
-4x5 Seraphim, 4x4, Total 16

Total Power Level 72

Inquisition Ordo Hereticus
- Grayfax, 5
- Inquisitor, 5

Total 10

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers (Old metal ones) [Scions]
- Militarum Tempestus Scions, 6
- Chimera, 5

Total 11

Cult Mechanicus
-Cawl, 13
-Tech Priest Dominus, 7
-Tech-Priest Enginseer, 3
-Servitors (Squat Servitor included!), 4
-10 Skitarii Rangers, 8

Total 35

Imperial Guard
-What ever the fuck I want, I own about 14,000 points of it, but I'm tired of LOL TANKS and only foot-slogging guard. So looking to go more "Imperium." If anything IG will provide some Hydras or Basilisks if I need guns/AA.

The above or any combination there-of should see me ready for any sort of starter missions for 8th's first week or two at my FLGS.

Opinions on where I could improve? To lazy for matched play so point values take to much time for a quick list like this.
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>>53548133
>But not from 72"
How often do you see yourself shooting 6 feet across an 8ft by 4ft board with a clear unobstructed line of sight on a character?
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>>53548096
They're fine. This is best time in years to just play the army you want.
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>>53548165
If you're going to play AdMech get Vanguards, they made Rangers objectively worse.
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>>53548130
>>53548121
>>53548124

I wanted to see him have some sweet melee ability. Was planning to convert him with that big ass sword.

Send him into alongside Kharn, with all his 'Loyal' friends
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>>53548144
Cally took a really heavy blow with the lost of her template, though. It's assault 1 now, and at most it can only ever pop D3 heads (or just D3 wounds) based on a morale role of all things. She won't be pulping any hordes in great swathes anymore.
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What armies are on suicide watch at this moment? Yesterday i read tons of faggots complaining about the rules and how GW killed 40k, how is the situation now?
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>>53548170
I don't know, I've never bothered to run one before. Ask me in a couple of weeks.
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>>53548194
>Tau
>Orks
>Admech
seem to be the most upset
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>>53548194
everyone except nids/deld/crons
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>>53548190
I never played my admech, just bought it for the models at the time. Will do. Pretty much will use what i own (the 10 man box set) to protect admech on the field in a fluffy manner.
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>>53548165
My only comment is there isn't much reason to run more than 5 sisters in a squad. The have all their options at 5 and that lets them fit in Imoolators anyway.
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>>53547507
And I'm a deldar player
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>>53548205
I've not seen a single AdMech player upset, meanwhile Guard players are pretty upset.
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>>53548194
Truthfully, no one. Plenty of bitching all around though. I feel like enough has changed, however, that even the things people want to bitch about/call OP don't actually play like they think they will.

Except necrons. Fuck the new Reanimation Protocols.
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>>53548212
Mostly thinking of wounds to soak up for the special weapons. I could split them off into multiple squads but I'm limited by models.

I HAVE the special weapons to kit out my 120-something sisters... but only 40 models are ready for paint-before-8th. The rest need scrubbing.

>Paint in all the cracks and nooks
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How are assaulting out of deepstrike bloodletters not fucking broken?
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>>53548212
Acts of Faith.
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>>53548096

Seems like Skitarii were pretty big in 7e because they had some powerful stuff that could compete with the broken stuff from other dexs sometimes, though they ended up being ally-fodder most of the time.

Now that a whole lot is toned down, they seem to have been adjusted to compete in the new meta.
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>>53548242
>Except necrons. Fuck the new Reanimation Protocols.
They can't replace their dead models if they're swamped in gaunts.
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ARE GUARD POOPY NOW?
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>>53548192
I like fucking with CPs though and she's very likely to gt a first turn charge. Plus her two weapon choices make her very effective in CC against anything but vehicles. Plus putting d3 mortal wounds on anything, including say... a knight amuses me.
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>>53548065
Think I'm going to do a head swap, so I don't have to paint eyes.
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>>53548236
I've seen a lot of upset AdMech fellas. But as they posted earlier, I might think they're European than Americans
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>>53548212
They're 9 points apiece, you could honestly run them like a hoard army, and use the acts of faith to make the 20 sister unit put out some hurt.
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>>53548282
>I like fucking with CPs though

Mods ?

I feel like Command Points might not have been the best name to choose ...
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So do we have word on whether or not Auras affect the unit generating them?

I'm thinking about using my Repentia as Ministorium Priests with eviscerators.

I was wondering how many attacks my 57 point repentia are going to have.
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>>53548247
>deepstrike

Anon I...
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>>53548322

Most normal humans won't associate that acronym with what we associate that acronym with.

Just call them Command Tokens instead and all will be well.
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>>53547507
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>>53548248
>Take Celestine and four Imagifier in Elite or w/e
>Constantly FAITHING THE FUCK out of your enemy

That'd be 2-5 faiths a turn
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>>53546621
>Note to self, track down copy of Gangs of Commaragh
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>>53548332
The model generating the Auro also benefits from it. It's in the core rules, take a good look, it's in one of those paragraphs on the side of the page.
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>>53547507

>t. guard player
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>>53548097
Because he doesn't use the sword, it isn't his sword and it's broken.
He used to have a C'tan Phase knife, but the Deceiver ate it.

Now he just exploits Gunfighter to shoot people with gun fu, because fuck it, he's the best pistolero in the Universe.
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>>53548319

I think a single horde of 15 (WHY NOT 20 ANYMORE FUCK YOU) backed by an Imagrifier and Hospitalar has potential. Who doesn't love 60 BS 3+ bolter shots for 135pts
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>>53548282
While we're talking, Cally gets 5 phase sword attacks, and then, if it's still standing, she gets one extra free poisoned blade attack, right? All the models with these extra attacks, like Lelith's hair, work like this, right?

Seems like a fun little addition to a lot of characters. Lelith gets her 4 AP-4 attacks, then gets 2 free CCW hair whips, then gets one last extra AP-4 coup d'etat strike. Shame about the drugs, but can't say she's lost her style points.
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>>53548072
Thanks anon, atleast I know something now
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Rate my 1850 IG list:

Vanguard Detachment
HQ
Company Commander - 30
ELITE
Platoon Commander - 20
Command Squad with 4 plasma guns - 44
Command Squad with 4 plasma guns - 44
Command Squad with 4 plasma guns - 44
Detachment total - 182 points

10 of that exact same detachment = 1820 points

Remaining 30 points are used to sprinkle in a few plasma pistols

Every detachment has exactly enough orders to grant their three command squads the rerolls of 1 to hit order

Turn 1 - fire 120 overcharged plasma guns at opponent
Turn 2 - mop up anything that lived by doing it again
Turn 3 - wonder why no one ever wants to play with you
Turn 4 - go home and cry alone in your room
Turn 5 - mom tells you it's because you're special and they're just jealous, and increases your GBP allowance for being such a brave, handsome boy

Whatcha think /tg/?
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>>53546949
Daemons. And I'm happy.

On the other hand, the Daemon player who plays grey tide and would cheese the dick out of everyone is extremely BTFO. I love it.
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>>53547557
You can't abuse one use only things, also that price tag
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>>53548247
Well 10 Bloodletters isn't too many attacks. And trying to summon 20 is risky. Even with 10 and assuming an Instrument its a 40% chance. 63% if you use your CP for the charge phase. Good but not broken.

Honestly CSM can get a very reliable first turn charge with any deep striking unit they want using a Termie Sorceror with Warp Time. So Bloodletters do end up being that special aside from coming with instrument of chaos.
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>>53548410
>enabling grey tiders by agreeing to play them
You sicken me.
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>>53548384
Nids gets off turn 1 charge, charge from reserves, charge from trygon, proceed to out shoot you with biovores and exocrine
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>>53546371
Abandon thread
>>53546400
>>53546400
>>53546400
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>>53548289
That's too bad, I'm pretty pleased with the admec atm. Sicarians got dick kicked out the door and rangers didn't get anything to put them on par with Vanguard but the rest of the army is pretty kicking rad.

I can't wait to snipe somebody's HQ from 60" with my anti-tank snipers.
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>>53548332
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>>53548436
Okay, so if nids get first turn, then just fall back with anything that happened to live and then execute order (120 minus a few) plasma guns
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>>53548384
Anyone doing matched play will restrict you to 3 Detachments at 2k points and under.
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>>53546636
Don't worry Anon, you won't see Tau anymore
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>>53548458
>falling back from hormagaunts
Good luck
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>>53548379
Yes. Although the "extra attack" weapon is itself a melee weapon do you can choose to make all your attacks with it if you prefer. That's handy against a non-vehicle with really high toughness for example.
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>>53548379
I can
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>>53548471
I mean they'd probably delete whatever amount of the 4 man squads they managed to get their hands on, then proceed to be deleted by the remaining plasma
It wasn't really meant to be a serious list my man, calm your autism
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>>53548425
>Mortal wound for every model in the unit on 3+.
You don't need multiple uses to completely change the tide of battle in a single moment. And for 25 pts, all those missiles get unlimited use in addition to your lances.
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>>53547975
And then they 'consecrated' it in enough wolf piss that he doesn't want it back.
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What exactly are Dark Eldar getting that they're receiving so much praise for, I don't see it?
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>>53547243
Scions, modeling them after Gone with the Blastwave. Should be fun
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>>53548192
Now working as intended : character killer, not weed cleaner. 2+ on melee and always phasing wound are HUGE buff.
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>>53548191
Cypher has probably been conspicuously not using a sword longer than you've been alive.
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>>53548028
Protip: I don't play Eldar. I don't use Finecast minis and that's half their fucking range.
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>>53548485
Yeah, well, I'll just choose +movement or +Attacks and pretend that's what she is stock, drug free. I'm still mad they gave her a full succubus statline, so being able to pick our poison now at least slightly makes up for it.
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>>53548504
Unlike everyone else, Deldar see any tiny boon as a gift from God.
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>>53548096
They were much stronger in 7th, but are still decent. Electropriests got buffed a lot though.
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>>53547507
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>>53546431
Theyre dumb
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>>53548504
We're just happy to not be dogshit. We aren't exceptional now by any means, but we have some new tricks and are glad for them. That's all.
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>What have I done in 7th to deserve this GW?
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>>53548591
Drop pods.
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>>53548236
It's mostly people who used infiltrator spam. Most Admech players seem pretty chill compared to other nerfed faction.
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So, have guard been buffed or nerfed?
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Alright, so real talk for a second here. Archite Glaives subtract 1 from my hit roll. So with Brides of Death, does that mean I re-roll if I roll a 1 or a 2(-1=1)? Or is it reroll only if my base roll was 1?
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>>53546518
The PLAGUE marine is using illness as an excuse.
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>>53548591
They needed a reason to sell electropriests and you were the competition.
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>>53547174
Where does it say that fly can fall back and shoot?
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>>53548636
Never mind, found the answer. Re-rolls are applied before any modifiers, so it's always only on a base roll of 1.
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>>53548550
People keep telling me the new edition is this and that and wait for the books. My armies are dead to me. Their fluff got gutted. They're as bland and boring as my abandoned High AELFs.
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>>53548702
Okay?
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>>53548669
Maybe the model will sell if they didn't design it to look like topless gay stormcast

Like who the fuck approve of these concepts?
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>>53548718
Shut up and buy the models, plebian scum :^)
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>>53548702

yeah things got bland
what armies?
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>>53548247
10 inch charge range
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>>53548687
I don't know what model you're talking about, but all fliers can fall back and shoot.
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>>53546809
>Not using the Lead Foot chapter
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>>53548758
I had a Biel-Tan armored division led by an old Autarch who made it his mission to bring the Eldar back to their former glory. It wasn't a powerful army in 7e but very flavorful. The Autarch is like a WWI general who views war as almost a sport. He hates turncoats, hates the idea of Ynnead, doesn't trust Harlequins/Dark Eldar, is very gentlemanly, has rules of engagement, won't use Wraith units because "the dead earned their dignity", always offers terms of surrender to beaten opponents, and things like that. Now Biel-Tan got broken up and the remnants are all Ynnari so... he's shelved.

Also had a bunch of converted Dark Elf Witch Elves I used to Lelith's Bloodbrides. Once again, not very good, but the models looked great and they were fun to play with. Now it looks like they're hitting the shelf too.

Oh and I also had scatbikes and warp spiders for those times I actually wanted to win and now even they're utterly useless.
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>>53548436
Cheap bubble wrap units are going to be really important for protecting what you need to not die to turn 1 charges.

Conscripts are going to be great for stopping that 500pt turn one charge for 60pts. Grots and Termagants too.
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>>53548834

Until they get wiped out in one turn and your bubblewrap target gets automatically consolidated into combat
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>>53548504
Ravagers and hellion, I think.
Poison really wrecks non-vehical monsters too.
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>>53548849
Leave more then 3" between the bubblewrap and your other units?
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>>53548849
>Until they get wiped out in one turn and your bubblewrap target gets automatically consolidated into combat

I think you might be retarded, if you can't figure out unit placement that hard.
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>>53548877
>leaving a gap between the bubblewrap and the contents

DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY PACKAGE AND SHIP GOODS
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>>53547557
Played a game vs Tau today, and I brutalized his ass. 3 units of 5 Scourges, toting 5 Dark Lances. I deep struck turn 3 into cover, where I wouldn't have the To Hit penalty, and just ate suit after suit. I tied up some things with Ravenwing flocks, while the gunboats zipped around and shot. One squad of Hellions pulled so much weight for me, it was ridiculous.
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>>53548895
I lol'd.
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>>53548939
Aren't boats weirdly good now at tying up melee too? They can tie up a unit - preventing them from shooting their next turn even if they retreat - and if they don't retreat, the boat can reverse a few inches, fire away, and recharge.
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>>53547244
Yeah, that's pretty much completely stolen from how Warmachine does terrain interaction. However it's way more important in that game so it's regulated hard. It seems odd for Warhammer but it will make play a little bit faster and reduce arguments.
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>>53546561
because you are a sane, red blooded american that likes freedom.
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>Be shitty at painting
>Start Drew Carey as first army after starter set

I have a bad feeling about this...
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Has anyone realized that with all the Ammo Grots a lot of the Ork elite units can take it adds a lot of durability to the unit.
Every time high damage high ap damage comes in you can just toss it onto a grot to absorb the damage and not have to worry about morale either.
Makes Da Jump with Nobs/Flash Gits a bit more powerful I think.
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>>53549042
DE are almost entirely high-lighting, which doesn't need to be that very fine to look good
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>>53549082
That's good, then.
I saw how many little pouches, grenades, this, that and the other were all over the wyches I've got, and saw some crazy good looking pics online and was pretty worried.
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>>53547244
Their are cover rules for obscurement too.
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>>53547507
I play BA, IG, and GK
3-4k for each
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>>53546723
We have to wait for our codex it seems
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>>53547244
Sure, the simplified terrain rules are simplified, but the actual terrain rules mention "models within terrain" as opposed to entire units, and almost all of the real rules specify obscurring.

Not to mention, even in the simplified rules, the controlling player always chooses which models in the unit are hit by shooting, even if the models you choose are out of sight from the firers. You can just as easily kill off that one or two models not in cover first, and let the rest of the unit get their cover bonus once they are the only ones that remain. You can call that thematic - the people out of cover die first like idiots.
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>>53549172
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>>53546728
Thats fucking amazing, brb buying a vindicare
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>>53549210
2+ to hit and 2+ to wound with d3 Damage does an average of 1,3 wounds per round.
Have you seen how many wounds charakters have now? have fun paying 90 points for something that takes 4 turns to kill a captain
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>>53549260
Yeah I'm not especially worried about it unless my opponent is really stacking snipers.
If thats the case I might just screen my Characters with vehicles.
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>>53549260
It's 90pts m8. If if even kills a captain over 6 turns it's more than paid for itself and probably net a victory point.
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>>53548625
Shut the fuck up already holy fuck. Wait and play the goddamn game.
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>>53549328
wich would be a thing if transports and cover (sight blocking) didnt exist. dont get me wrong i dont think they are unplayable, but they are worse then they were before so i dont understand the hype
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>>53549392
whats amazing is the new cullexus. 85 points, he kept the etherium rule that the callidus lost and with the new transport movement rules he has a way better shot of getting into combat
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I have a question about the new rules:
>Coherency specifies models in the same unit must remain within 2" of each other
>You are allowed to declare charges against multiple targets with one unit
>3" consolidation move at the end of fight phase, as well
Do I need to keep my units in coherency when I'm charging multiple targets?
Like, say I have a mob of ork boyz, and for some reason there is a tactical squad on opposite sides of the mob. Can I charge both at once, even though it will split the unit and probably break coherency?
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>>53549392
They're hardly worse.
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you know how the new healing/reviving units cant be abused to revive charakters because they dont join units anymore? well GW fucked up cause celestine is still in a Unit with her gemini...... an apothecary can ressurect Celestine.
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>>53549484

Directly from the rulebook:

>If anything causes a unit to become split up during a battle, it must re-establish unit coherency the next time it moves.

As far as I interpret it, as long as you get back into unit coherency before you move again everything is fine.
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>>53546613
>>53546629
>>53546665
>>53546832
All this love for 4e.
Early 4th best edition.
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>>53549623
Celestine can already ressurect celestine.
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>>53549667
>celestine
once. now she is litteraly immortal.
-Bunker all Wounds on her (you get to do that now)
-Heal her with her Act of faith every turn
-Ress her for free once
-Apothecarius picks her up after that
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>>53549752
if celestine doesn't revive herself you remove the geminae superior so there is no unit left for the apothecary to interact with.
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>>53547243
finished up these old geezers

working on my land raider next
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>>53549855
ah, bummer
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>missile pod costs 24p
>shield generator costs 8p
>drone with missile pod costs 20p
>drone with missile pod and shield generator is 25p
Well, now I understand why they lumped t'au into same index with orks.
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What drone formations do you think work better for the new Tau? Basic ones cost the same as a firewarrior, but they must shot at the closest unit. I'm thinking of adding one or two gun drones to every strike teams while Pathfinders deploy Pulse Accelerators, Grav Drones.
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Played my first game with Dark Eldar tonight. Wyches are amazing. The fact that your raider can eat overwatch for them is huge. And since melee upgrades are so cheap giving Agonisers to everyone is fantastic. Awesome sergeants is reason enough to love this edition.
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Am I reading it right that Necrons reanimate with full wounds? If so Lychguard 'deathstars' are going to be a pain in the ass to deal with.
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>>53547922
Right? The designers cannot into math
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As a returning Guard player who hasn't played much since 5th ed, can someone give me the pros/cons of this ed? And maybe for Chaos, since I'm leaning that way a bit too.
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>>53549955
>hur dur dur why can't I have a billion free drones
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My body is ready
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>>53550427
Infantry look better, tanks look worse, no platoons.
You can take allies now easily though so can get some genestealers or chaos, perhaps some assasins.
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>>53550504
My point was that missile pod is really expensive where as the drone is practically free with it or in case of shielded missile drone the drone is negative points on top of the wargear.
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>>53550550
where you get all those?
link?
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How's 8th post shock for everyone? I'm trying to hope for the best by trying to write lists.

> Total: 1650

- Battalion Detachment -
+3 CP - May include 1 Transport for each other choice

Must > 2 HQ, 3 Troops
Optional > 1 HQ, 6 Troops, 3 FA, 3 HS, 2 Flyers

-- HQ --

Typhus - 164 points

Nurgle Daemon Prince - 180 points
> Wings, 2x Talons

-- Troops ---

10x Poxwalkers - 60 points
10x Poxwalkers - 60 points
10x Poxwalkers - 60 points

7x Plague Marines - 193 points
> 2x Plasma gun, Power Fist
+ Rhino - 72

7x Plague Marines - 193 points
> 2x Plasma gun, Power Fist
+ Rhino - 72

7x Plague Marines - 201 points
> 2x Melta gun, Power Fist
+ Rhino - 72

-- FA --

5x Spawn - 165 points

Foetid Bloat-Drone - 158 points
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>>53550857
> Play Death Guard
> Can't wait for 8th ed!
> Suddenly

I can't take:
> havocs
> heldrakes
> oblits
> any thing with the bike keyword
> raptors
> warp talons
> forgefiends
> maulerfiends
> mutalators
> chosen
> terminators
> vindicators

Who wants to buy 8k points worth of CSM models?
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>>53550841

I compiled it from the leaks. Here, have my copy

>https://mega.nz/#!u4VASSDR!AOLk2_SlJdKXq0B1B4uKXlnUt6pUYVUljcUrKuE_XtQ
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So are Chapter Tactics and Traitor Legions coming back later or are they completely cut out for sake of streamlining the rules ?
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So what are some good IG units to add to a Tyranid/Genestealer Cult army?
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>>53547697
Everything has the Draigo faction keyword. That said, Draigo doesn't have that faction keyword.
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>>53550974

Tonks
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Is the new Trygon Prime worth taking over regular?
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>>53548368

I'm working on finishing painting my Immo spam list first in 8th, but after than I'm going to start testing a horde+retributor list.
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>>53550906

You're getting the first codex of 8th, if your unique stratagems aren't good, just run an army using the chaos keyword.
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Do psychic powers not need LOS? Nothing states otherwise.
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>>53546371
I think that for a pony army space marines is a bad choice. The correct choice is Tyranids and you paint your big bugs as ponies. Alternatively just knights would be fine since they can have a good amount of individual character to them.

Pony themed rhinos and land raiders with pony themes and units of dudes with pony banners is just unappealing.
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>>53550966
#ASK GW
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>>53551243
Anything with pony themes is unappealing
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>>53551122
I sure hope they get legion rules, because i didn't convert up DG havoks, bikers and raptors just to play vanilla CSM with a green tint and extra plague marines.
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