Warhammer 40000 general /40kg/

>>53540423
>not kangz edition

xth for list building.

What are you crafting and are you going to start play testing games tonight?

I play nids am i allowed here?
fucking captcha is Carnac weg

Full rules and indexes
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU
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How many necron players took their noose down after realizing GW is going to give us good rules and actually give a shit about us for another edition?

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Enough generals

>>53540423
>painting human hieroglyphics on alien vehicles when Necron runes already exist

my dudes > your dudes

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Show me the army lists you're planning on taking to your first game of 8th ed, niggers.

What's the maximum firepower I can put out with SM tanks?

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NOBZ IN A NAUT?
NOBZ IN A NAUT.

>>53540462
>necrontyr are based off ancient Egyptians
>ancient Egyptians were undoubtedly black
Were necrontyr black?

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hello, am from polan, here is custom regiment

8e rules/index mega: https://mega.nz/#F!J5lBiY7L!xdu4vTwbDakoCD6BsnH7sA
google drive pics: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

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Slaanesh rules

>>53540494
B-But anon Orks are bad still didn't you see.

>>53540484
>Implying there aren't Monoliths hidden within the Egyptian Pyramids.

>>53540473
I wasn't that worried, but we're going to have a hard time with vehicle spam.

>>53540488
A shitload of guardsmen and tanks
Just like last edition

>>53540488
Haven't actually made a list, but it's basically gonne be all noise marines and raptors with a jump pack lord.
new noise marine ability looks potentially hilarious

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>>53540423
what do I do with her now?
harpies are better in everything

>>53540488
I might actually start collecting nids, like I've been meaning to for three editions.

>>53540513
>THRONE! NOOOOOOO!

>>53540502
God's work anon.

OPs get this shit in your pasta.

>>53540504
who cares about winning? i'm just in it for the WAAAAGH

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Anything that creates a new unit (via reserves, summoning, or other special rules) requires that points be set aside during army creation to bring it into play. However, the wording of that rule specifies units ("Each time a unit is added to an army during battle...") which leads me to believe that special rules that add models to existing units (Daemonic Icons, Reanimation Protocols) do not need points set aside. This distinction is reinforced by the note in the Pink Horrors entry that states you have to pay points for the Blue and Brimstone Horrors their Split rule creates. That note would be unneeded if you had to pay for adding models to existing units by default.

TL;DR = Bringing a new unit onto the board requires points be paid. Adding models to an existing unit does not.

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>>53540519
>>53540520
Well, we have all the points values, get writing the actual lists you lazy fucks.

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Fulgrim when

>>53540525
looks like i have missed harpy and crone rule leaks. gimme gimme gimme

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>>53540550
>Adding models to an existing unit does not.
logical, the rule was brought forth with the intention of stopping armies from growing indefinitely.

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So in the eldar rules, there's no cost for swapping out a regular aspect warrior for am exarch? Barring warhead ofc.

>>53540549
>T. Games workshop sales department
Orkz are deader than before, the only difference is that they'll die in the field rather than run off board

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You guys know of anything that could work as an alternate Kastelan head? I know Wargame Exclusive has some, but I'm always looking for other ideas.

>>53540561
Oh i will, but i'm first going home in two weeks and preparing a campaign for me and some buddies to get us familiar with the new edition, so making a list is second priority atm

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>>53540465
Are you a woman?

>>53540488
well i've redone my eldar lists for 8th though i'm not sure about the new army lists blocks

8th list 1212
farseer, bike, witchblade, pistol (154, 0, 7) 161
10 guardians, scatterlaser (85+15) 100
10 guardians, scatterlaser (85+15) 100
3 jetbikes with 1 scatter (60+15) 75
9 dire avengers with exarch, power mace and shimmer shield (100+4+20+70) 194
nightspinner (155+0) 155
vyper starcannon and shuriken cannon (64+12+30) 106
wraithlord sword flamers and bright lance (103+9+9+20+10) 151
fire prism shuriken cannon (158+12) 170

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>>53540596
*wargear

>>53540608
No just a hairy man

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>Punisher Gatling Cannon
>Heavy 20 S5 AP0 D1

You guys ready for the BRRRRRRRRT!

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Im so mad right now. So you are telling me baneblade has almost exact stats as knight, not even 2+ or T9. More fire power with shittier balistic, less assault potential and no invul and costs 100 points more.
FUCK
YOU
GW

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>>53540591
first harpy
mortal wounds litterally coming from her ass and stranglethorn cannons are actually effective

>>53540488
I have no idea. I was hoping to make an Inquisition army but I don't even know where to start.

>>53540488
i'm a new player and see these seals everywhere. fluff-wise, are they actually working or do people wear them out of superstution?

>>53540596
Yep. Exarches are free now so you might as well grab em up for that +1w and +1a.

what do people think of pyrovores now? are they still the kings of the cuckshed?

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>>53540465
No girls allowed unless they're actually boys

>>53540599
t. tau player
what's wrong with enjoying the game even when your army is bad?

>>53540470
>>53540423
There is pages missing for the Imperial 2 index - Page 124 and Page 125, it contains either more inquisition information or Custodian information

>>53540634
A baneblade has like over9000 fucking guns on it, you tard.

>>53540567
>+1S -1Ap ALWAYS 3 wounds.
vs a D3

Given that plus it's myriad of independent firing sponsons I think it is genuinely better.

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>points cost not on a model's sheet
>power points are
why not both?

>>53540672
What about trannies

>>53540652
It's just religious reasons.

>>53540636
I kind of wonder if the best thing about the harpy won't turn out to be that sonic screech ability. That looks like it's got some serious utility.

>>53540620
Thinking of replacing my Falcon with a Wave Serpent. Falcons are too expensive. Any reason why they cost more than Fire Prism?

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So with all this talk of 8th me and my oldfag friend decided to play 3rd edition
He brought Orks, I tried to build this psudo deathstar with yarrik and a bunch of hardened vets, turns out 7th edition mentality doesn't really work in 3rd and I was chopped to death by 'uge choppas, was a great time and hopefully I can play more with him, guess ranging on basilisks is fun as fuck

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>>53540636
now tell me what I'm supposed to do with the crone?

the harpy can be better at anti infantry, better at anti elite, better antitonk, roughly similar or better flyer hunter, the melee is basically the same except for that single tail attack that hits on a 4+

>>53540488
BOYZ
BOYZ
BOYZ
STORMBOYZ
STORMBOYZ
Wierdboy


Maybe some lootas

>>53540626
Damn, it's such a fucking sausage fest in here.

So how have your lists changed, /40kg/?
My 2k lists have become the following:
Eldar: 2630
Harlequins: 2361
Skitarii: 1818
Tzeentch Daemons: 2537

And lets not even talk about skitarii, harlequins, or daemons no longer fitting properly in detachments
or my daemons no longer playing even remotely close to how they did before.

>>53540634
>>53540690

>Deathspitter with slimer maggots
>Devourer with brainleech worms
Who the fuck game up with these retarded names?

>>53540698
Because weapons that are shared across datasheets can be updated independantly of all the sheets their on.

>>53540671
They seem like they could be playable. Drop them in a spore pod and flamenwerf away.

>>53540720
Likely the transport capacity.
A pulse laser + shuriken cannon is relatively similar to a prism cannon, I guess?

So, looking at the ork rules, it seems the following units are now actually good:

Lobbas. They were good before and they continue to be good. Durability is irrelevant when you can hide behind stuff. Hitting on BS is actually better with 4+ compared to scatter with no adjustment.
Kustom Mega Kannons. They nerfed them, but not hard enough. Still fuck shit up good and take a while to kill.
Deffkoptas, mostly because biggbombs are now free and fucking awesome. What fabulous retard gave them a cost of 0?
Blitza Bommas, because even more mortal wounds, motherfuckers.
Kommandos. Someone fucked up and made burnas free. Squad of five with a nob and two burnas is 45 points. Well worth it.

I'm probably going to take some killa kans too, because they aren't terrible and I love the models.

So, what do I take to round out my army? I'm going to need some HQs and the only ones which seem to offer synergy are Boss Snikrot to buff the kommandos and Big Meks on Bikes to repair the deffkoptas and kans while giving them invulnerable saves.

>>53540634
It got a price drop so suck it up and take what you can get for your center peice model

>>53540682
So you have no problem with
>14 13 12 9 HP
tank having same profile with
>13 12 11 6 HP
>gutted demolisher
>6 heavy bolters
>auto cannon
>4+ to hit, and gets worse
>can't charge and brake faces
>can't stomp
>doesn't have invul
>costs more

SPACE WOLVES BTFO

BLOOD ANGELS ASSAULT MARINE SPAM IS BACK
>Blood Chalices +1 Strength
>Unleash Rage +1 Attack
>Death Company & Lemartes holy shit

We lost overcharged engines on everything but Baal Predators are fucking amazing.

>>53540753
Cruddace probably.

I don't understand why modern GW is so bad at names.

>>53540736
another hairy tyranid player here; what did you expect? 100% of female population?
it's already something if it's 10%

>>53540783
Fire Prism focused is S12 AP -4 D d6

how do you transport your minis without spending fucking 100 bucks on a gw suitcase?

>>53540736
>sausage fest
Welcome to most nerd hobbies, but there are some females
You don't have to say but any girls here post a tyranid picture so that we'll know they're here

>>53540488
>Longstrike
>2 more Hammerheads
>Devilfish full of Drones
>Sky Ray

Should hopefully be able to squeeze that under 1000 points, but that's the general idea

>>53540795
>price drop
>was 575
>now 567
Based

>>53540737

Skitarii... yeah. Suddenly I need to build two tech priests to even field a decent sized skitarii army using the battalion detachment. Quite fucking annoying. Atleast I already have the dudes because I got 3 of the start collecting sets, but it's still more shit forced into my painting queue.

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Where are the inquistion/SoB servitors? Have they been squatted?

>>53540838
I just use a normal suitcase.

>>53540819
oh I see.
definitely the transport capacity then

>>53540792
>So, what do I take to round out my army?
Stormboyz

Lots and lots of Stormboyz

>>53540865
The tech priest dominus duders that came with the starter kit go cheap on ebay because nobody wanted them with skitarii

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>>53540840

>>53540848
Considering every other super heavy seems to be more expensive? Yeah, a lot better relatively

>>53540867
They're in.

Sisters got a sidegrade of sorts. Except squads of penitent engines. They can run through imperial knights in a single charge.

>>53540792
To throw something out there, I kind of like the look of burna boyz as a cheap(ish) warboss escort.
>advance to get close
>shoot because Assault weapons
>don't give a fuck about -1 penalty because autohits
>charge because of Waargh
>hit things at AP -2

>>53540838
You could build one yourself for dirt cheap with some wood, nails, glue and foam.

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>>53540848
I didn't say it was a big one guardsmen-chan
If you think is guardsmen ever get nice things then you need to go see your local commissar

>>53540731
thank you and those spores truly look awesome.
luckily i magnetized all my fliers just for this type of situation.
cant you just change the loadout on the model, nobody cares about the head just change those guns and snip missiles off.

>>53540865
Yep. I'm actually surprised my army lost nearly 200 points. Lets me at least fit the dominus in there without changing too much up.

Also means I can just move straight to a heavy-support detachment, because of the army comp I had before (3 vanguard/onagers, killcade, dragoon formation)

Sucks that rust stalkers and infiltraters got nerfed so hard, but at least they're super cheap (comparatively) now

>>53540671
definitely look playable, I know GW said they'd be good but it's still honestly quite surprising.

>>53540652
It's difficult to say, because a lot of the material is written from an in-universe perspective and people in the setting believe they do stuff. Also, the writers are incredibly inconsistent, believing in stuff really hard actually seems to sort-of work and there are probably a load of different types of seals ranging from certificates that an item has been inspected and found to be in good order to actual magical talismans.

>>53540909
How much for stompa and naut?

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Seems coteaz's trolling days are over, he lost half his abilities and his classic anti deep striking trick has been limited to inq units only and only snap shots
It was deserved but I'll miss the butthurt I could accumulate with just one 100 pt model

>>53540737
Yep I have to buy a tech-priest if I want to play my Skitarii in future. Not only that but all the movement bonuses from the Maniples are gone and we still have no transport to make up for it. Also the Canticles are a waste of space compared to the old Docrinta's.

But at least I can afford to get Omniplexs for everything since I freed up about 300 pts.

>>53540488
slugga boyz + trukk
slugga boyz + trukk
shoota boyz + trukk
nobz + trukk OR nobz + bikes
meganobz + battlewagon
burna boyz + trukk OR in the battlewagon
kanz
propa orky airforce

not sure about what else

>>53540976
stompa is 900

>>53540463
I've found out that I need an HQ for my Custodes so I'm throwing in a Magos Dominus and some Skittari to round out the list. Going for a very General Grievous feel. The Custode Tribune who leads them got torn too pieces on the Vengeful Spirit and is "more machine than man" now. I think it'll be fun to have Custodes chopping the enemy to bits well radiation and phosphex blast them into skeletal ruins.

>>53540917
Yeah, Burnas do seem relatively improved. Only d3 shots is a bummer though.

I was also hoping them and some of the other specialist boyz would get an upgrade option for heavy armor. Instead normal boyz just lost it entirely.

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r8 my 1k nidzilla list

Spearhead detachment: +1 command point
HQ:
Tyranid prime: (BS, ST, Adrenal glands): 105

Elite:
Maleceptor (Adrenal glands): 189

Troops:
8x tyranid warriors (BS, ST, adrenal glands): 200

Heavy:
carnifex (Dual ST, adrenal glands): 92
carnifex (Dual ST, adrenal glands): 92
carnifex (Dual ST, adrenal glands): 92
Exocrine: 228

Total: 998

>>53540916
>They're in.
Where are they? I don't see them under SoB or inquisition - are they admech now?

>>53540976
stompa is an outrageous 900 pts for a 40 wound titan, so you'll never actually play with it outside apoc.

'naut look like a poor man's budget knight, around the 350(?) pt range compared to nearly 500 for knights.

>>53541019
Yeah, you're either going to go budget with burna boyz or wholesale with skorcha nobz.

>>53541019
You didn't expect them to let burna boys get like 15d6 hits did you?

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>>53540423
SO LE ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, WE LIKE SOM. *smacks lips ANCIEN SPACE FARIN KANGZ AN SHIT ?

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>>53540907
>>53540840
>realize there's girls here
>didn't instantly leave the thread
>didn't instantly fall in love with them and only barely started sweating
Guess I'm cured, I'll see you later losers I'm off to do normie things

>>53540840
>there are some females
I know a few female 40k players personally, so they're not a completely rare site. They just always play with friends and avoid LFGSes which you can't blame them for considering the average clientele.

>>53540838
Buy a big ass tacklebox and foam it up.

>>53540792
Stormboyz only being 2 more points than slugga boyz seem like a steal. You miss out on shootas and heavy weapons but gain M12.
Not to mention charging aircraft is hilarious

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>>53541082

>>53540867
>You will never be this talented or have an army painted this well
;_;

>>53541082
I worry a little bit about losing 1/6 when charging + what's lost to overwatch but it still probably makes its points back with the fast movement.

>>53540488
weirdboy x2

30 choppa boy with nob x 2

15 stormboyz

7 loota+trukk x2

15 tankbusta in a bw

some bikers

extra hq detachment

1x warboss in bike
1x painboy in bike
1x zagstrukk

or

spam of weirdboyz and full units of boyz

>>53541076
I know a few who hobby, 1 who actually plays but never seems interested in a game at the store, when pressed she admitted she didn't enjoy playing with neckbeards at the LGS and said she mostly plays at her friend's house
>tfw I'm playing her dark Eldar this Wednesday

>>53540488
forgot to link
>>53541021

>>53540699
there are only two genders

>>53541069
So if necrons are the blacks then are the old ones the white man and the star gods the Jews manipulating them?

>>53540917
Kommandos vs. Burna Boyz

45 points vs 70
6 wounds vs 5
Ld 7 (while the nob lives) vs 6
Can take a big choppa or claw on nob vs. spannas with killsaws
Move 6" vs 5"
Can infiltrate vs. can't
Feeble cover save bonus vs. none
Two burnas vs. five per five models

I'm leaning heavily towards the kommandos. Infiltrate is useless for escorting a warboss, but otherwise they are superior in every respect except the number of burnas. Personally, I'd rather have a few disposable bullet-catchers in a unit like that.

>>53540994
tell me about it.
I ran the sicarian killcade, Ironstrider Cavileers, and vangaurd in a maniple.
On turn one most of my army was within 12" of my opponent, and turn 2 I was usually in combat with everything melee.

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>>53541185
explain your hotdog and bun theory to slaanesh heretic

>>53540674
>Ork, deldar, Tyranids players
>Enjoying only losing
I must have stumbled into bizarro /tg/, step up your game GW sempai, we won't believe your lies

>>53541066
I'd be fine with D3, but the potential to roll a 1 for the whole unit's attacks is a bummer. I wish they'd taken that stupid rule off lootas as well.

>>53541216
a-anon i just like my orks
;_;

>>53541131
You only lose dudes when you advance and charge.

T1 move 12 and advance, T2 move and charge.

Going 27~ inches up the table and a 2d6 rerollable charge should get you into combat with whatever 100% of the time.

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>>53540488
Waiting for the Forgeworld indexes to show me how the drop troop list has fared.

Are models cheaper in the U.K. Or Germany converting from dollars? I'll be vacationing to both the same week 8th drops
Fingers crossed you lads elect Corbin so the economy crashes and shits cheap

>>53541021
Forgot the tail weapons on the carnifexes, you have to pay for those

Also there's no need to run them in 3 separate units, you can take one unit of 3 and they deploy separately like combat squads at the start of the game.

GK or BA now that we've seen leaks.

I want the most balls out assault focused Space Marine army.

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>>53541201
you think thats bad? I ran a skitarii mantiple - two ranger squads of 6, a dragoon and an onager with fucking an inquisition detachment that included;
Servitors (now admech and not inquisition)
Deathcult assassins (now SoB)
Crusaders (also now SoB)
a Daemonhost (now a single, non-character unit, so it will be board wiped instantly)
a jokero (same)
and a ton of acolyes, where I can now only fit 5 per unit, and fucking all that is now Elite options, including the fucking servitors, so fitting it in now is a nightmare

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>>53541233
Especially with how close some of these deployments are

>>53541266
You and me both.

I like that valks are the only transport you can disembark from after it moves.
I like that comanders are no longer tied to squads so you can fit them in valks with your vets

deepstrike not scattering anymore means those infantry go right where you want them.

I'm looking forward to see what happens there.

>>53541040
Adeptus Ministorum.

With vehicle changes including so many Heavy D6 weapons instead of Blast the Exorcist is better by relative comparison. Especially given its D3 damage.

Seraphim have some neat stuff too.

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>>53540423
Awesomeness of reanimation protocols
5th>>>>>8th>>>7th>Honorary place for we will be back

>>53541266
They get dropped in, then butt fucked by the enemies and lack of supply lines, just like in the lore.

>>53540488
Deathwatch, although I'll probably still lose loads

Somebody please assure me that Deathwatch are better. Please

>>53541283
>Also there's no need to run them in 3 separate units
spearhead formation requires 3 heavy units and there is no advantage to keeping them in one unit.

also are tail weapons mandatory?

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Is the heat Ray defacto choice for the stalker now? It's the fluffy choice for my guys regardless...

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>Psychic phase a smoldering ruin
>Tzeentch psychic tree a colossal pile of shit of high warp charge abilities that aren't very good
>Chance to perils of the warp doubled and expanded to drag every unit within 3" along to hell with the psyker
>Tzeentch daemons nerfed to shit
>Magnus nerfed hard
>Black Staff of Ahriman and Staff of Tomorrow provide no benefits to psychic powers anymore and are simply slightly better melee weapons for units who have no business being in melee
>Heralds of Tzeentch give Tzeentch Daemon units +1S in exchange for being way shittier casters without gaining Pink Horrors' ability to fire a lasgun
>Pink Horrors can only roll 1d6 to try and cast smite on the nearest target
>Blue Horrors can only use Smite and Brimstones automatically die when they do so
>No more spell familiars
>Death Guard get a unique psychic tree and 1ksons don't

Now that last one is just insult to injury.

>>53541266

I wonder how the FW balance will be?
What FW units do you wanna see?

>>53541311
>Adeptus Ministorum.
nope

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>>53541340

Holy shit, Devourers are only 4 points now and still have the same stats.

A devilgaunt is 8 points for an 18" assault 3 S4 gun, if you have a Tervigon nearby they re-roll 1s to hit, if you have 20+ models in the unit they re-roll 1s to wound.

30 devilgaunts wipes a full tactical squad or Intercessor squad in one round.

>>53541331
Magnus is a fucking beast in CC now. Not much compensation I know, but at least that's something.

>>53541327
I prefer the gauss, if only because crons are hurting for long range high damage.

>>53540634
Forget the baneblade, the hellhammer does everything better, all the guard rules and points are a shitfest.

Check the taurox prime , for 96 points 28 shots 20 gatling 8 hotshot.

the shadowsword can reliably destroy a knight every turn without even counting with the command points reroll

the manticore is better than the basilisk in everything an its dirt cheap at 125 points

the vanquisher is dogshit but the devildog fucks shit up and does the antitank role a lot better for only 108 points

the ratlings are 7 a piece and the snipers are great now

all the vehicles range from T 6-8 W 10-12 and have a +3 and no minimun range for artillery so theres no difference between using a leman russ or almost every other vehicle as your main armor, a lascannon hit follows exactly the same roll for all the guard vehicle roster except that the leman can endure one extra wound until the decrease of its BS, no that it matters because with the shit weapons it has you may as well not even roll

hell with the new void shield we can park all the artillery and half the army around it and get a 4++ for 190 points.

Its clear they want to sell until now barely used (and sold) models but I hope they fix this shit in the codex

>>53541339
>What FW units do you wanna see?
Corsairs and Elysians.

Roll for anal circumference

Sisters Battalion -1500

:HQ:
Canoness w/Combi-Flamer and Condemnor - 57

Canoness w/Combi-Plas and Evicerator - 82

:Troop:
15 Battle Sisters with 2 Storm Bolters and a Condemnor - 144

5 Battle Sisters with 2 Flamers and Combi-Flamer - 74

5 Battle Sisters with 2 Flamers and Combi-Flamer - 74

:Elite:
Imagrifier - 40

:Fast:
5 Dominions with 4 Metas and Combi-Melta - 154

5 Dominions with 4 Metas and Combi-Melta - 154

:Heavy:
10 Retributers with 4 Heavy Bolters and a Condemnor - 131

5 Retributers with 4 Heavy Flamers and Combi-Flamer 111

:Dedicated Transport:
3 Immolator with Heavy Flamer 103 (303)
2 Immolator with Heavy Bolter 85 (170)

>>53541351
what are you showing me? there are no servitors here

>>53541325
Oh got it.

And yeah they come with thresher scythes at 7ppm, although if you're running the double scything talons they're probably not worth it so just swap for the cheaper bone maces at 2ppm

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>>53541340
>>53541351

Where's it say d3 fer burnaz?

>>53540488
5x5 GK Terminators with incinerators, halberds and a hammer.
2x4 GK Paladins with 2x psycannons and halberds.
1x Draigo
2x Librarian Terminators with staves
2x Apothecaries with hammers
1x Dreadknight with psycannon, incinerator, and sword

Librarians and apothecaries hide behind paladins, prioritize/assign targets and deep strike away. I had inquisition allies but now my crusaders and priests are ministorum so I'm not sure if I can run them the same way.

>>53541339
A mercenary, hive scum faction
A faction that is all <UNALIGNED>

>>53541357
Looking at the taurox and Shadowsword it's pretty obvious they didn't give a shit about balancing guard.

>>53540497
>live in inhospitable hellhole
>need foreign aid
>seen as a plague by other species after recieving aid
>pray to weird stuff

Asked i an earlier thread but no response. How would you feel about someone using Deathwatch rules to represent a non codex compliant or loyalist renegade chapter?

Thinking of doing a chapter which has been declared renegade for using forbidden technologies.

>>53540488

>HQ

Celestine - 250
2x Geminae

Canoness - 82
Combi-Plasma
Eviscerator

Canoness - 60
Combi-plasma

>Elites

Imagifier - 40

Hospitaller - 30

>Troops

Battle sister squad - 63
2x Storm bolter
Heavy bolter

2x Battle sister squad - 82
Combi-flamer
Flamer
Heavy flamer

3x Immolator - 122
Twin Multi-melta

>Fast attack

2x Dominion Squad - 137
Combi-melta
4x Meltagun

2x Immolator - 103
Immolation flamer

1x Seraphim - 145
4x Hand flamers
Plasma pistol
Power sword

>Heavy support

2x Exorcist - 160

2000 points, 7 command points


Pretty similar to my current list, but trying out few of the new things.

>>53541374
you can post it page by page, but there still aint no servitors in there

>>53540550
So far i think this is true as well, but i think the wording is different. I think its not about the distinction between "unit" and "model" and more about the fact that other than things like pink horrors that call it out specifically they use the term "reinforcement".

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So with the absence of any weapons with skyfire, do things hit (((flyers))) as normal?

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>Tyrant Guard are an Elite slot now
>Max brood of 6
>take a wound for Tyrants/Swarmy on a +2

>Take Vanguard Detachment
>6 broods of 6 Tyrant Guard
>mfw

>>53541371
Oh SERVITORS? I read that as an "and"statement.

You mean archo flagellents?
They're under the inquisitors I think. Did. It save.

>>53541428
Depends on the fliers. It will say in the datasheet

>>53541428
get -1 to hit. Flamers is best aa now

>>53541353
devilgaunts where always 8 points
also
30 devilgaunts with a tervigon is almost 500 points and tervigons cant make free termagaunts anymore, you have to pay for them.

>>53540488

Sisters Battalion -1500
9 command points

>:HQ:
Canoness w/Combi-Flamer and Condemnor - 57

Canoness w/Combi-Plas and Evicerator - 82

>:Troop:
15 Battle Sisters with 2 Storm Bolters and a Condemnor - 144

5 Battle Sisters with 2 Flamers and Combi-Flamer - 74

5 Battle Sisters with 2 Flamers and Combi-Flamer - 74

>:Elite:
Imagrifier - 40

>:Fast:
5 Dominions with 4 Metas and Combi-Melta - 154

5 Dominions with 4 Metas and Combi-Melta - 154

>:Heavy:
10 Retributers with 4 Heavy Bolters and a Condemnor - 131

5 Retributers with 4 Heavy Flamers and Combi-Flamer 111

:Dedicated Transport:
3 Immolator with Heavy Flamer 103 (303)
2 Immolator with Heavy Bolter 85 (170)

>>53541400
Celestine is for cum guzzling faggots, faggot.

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>>53541436

>>53541431
>archo flagellents?
no the arco-flaggents are now ministorum but servitors have been made admech and removed from both space marines and inquisition

>>53541445
Can't tervigons reinforce existing units (which would be free?)

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>>53541339
Elysians of course, but also all the Imperial Navy stuff. I want to know how much it's going to cost to field a fuck ton of planes.

>>53541339
Leman Russ Annhilator so I can replace my Vanquishers

>>53541461
you also have to pay to reinforce
and you can only reinforce bog standard termgaunts anyway

>>53541445
But 30 fleshborer gaunts with a tervigon is under 400 points and can be refreshed by the tervigon for free

>>53541289
Space wolves are still kings of the hill when we talk about assault space marines armies

Alright enough moping from me. What are my best options when running a deathwatch army in 8th? Are my terminators really gonna cost over 70 points now that I have to buy my powerfist and whatever other weapon?

>>53540488
Chaos Lord w/ JP and dual claws 106

Chaos sorc in TDA (warptime) 140
5 Warp talons w/ dual claws 140

5 terminators w/ 5 combimelta, 2 CF, 3 power axe 309
10 CSM w/ 2 plasma gun & rhino w/ combi bolter 228

10 CSM w/ 2 plasma gun & rhino w/ combi bolter 228
10 havocs w/ 4 plasma gun & rhino w/ combi bolter 254

Laspred w/ twin LC and LC sponsons 202
Subtotal 1647
Hopefully the points remaining will be enough for a grav-flux bombard leviathan

>>53540463
COME AT ME HERETICS I'M RIPPED 999/1000
++ Vanguard Detachment ++

Inquisitor Firebrand: 79
- Incinerator
- Power Sword

Callidus: 80
Culexus: 85
Eversor: 70
Vindicare: 90

++ Vanguard Detachment ++
Inquisitor Valerian: 59
- Null Rod

Daemonhost: 25

2 Flamer Acolytes: 34

5 Vigilators: 95
Rhino: 72


++ Vanguard Detachment ++
Inquisitor Karamazov:69
- Force Stave:
- Psyker

2 Melta Acolytes: 50

9 Repentia: 153
Mistress of Repentence: 38

999

>>53541490
>free
anon...

>>53541481
Are we reading the same thing? Reinforcements are free.

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>>53541430
about that rule I've got a question

what happens when a tyrant takes a wound that would cause multiple damage? do I roll the look out sir when the wound surpasses the armour or I have to take one roll for each damage it causes?

>>53541339

I wanna see the flamer riptide variant
Hopefully it is good

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>Black Library said they will be trying to make sure multiple ethnicities and sexual orientations are represented in their stories from now on
How does everyone feel about this?

>>53541354
Yes, but I'm wondering what I have to send up to join melee with Magnus. I guess my Ahriman/Exlated Sorcerers are melee units now instead of ranged/support. Force Staff + pistol and who can forget that extra attack from the disc.

My armies' entire roll/play style is suddenly very different and I'm not sure where to go from here.

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Post cool Slaanesh stuff so I can get ideas for an army

>>53541481
You don't pay to reinforce to the model count the unit started with. You pay for new units.

>>53541509
Each damage, it cares about when the tyrant actually loses the wounds.

>>53541339
I already know all my Chaos stuff is split between two books, which I'm pissed about, but I'm curious as to what else is going to be in the Chaos book beside Leviathan rapetrains.

My Thousand Sons army will likely be 75% FW since we know they'll be complete instead of the bare bones stuff we have from GW.

>>53541519

Sauce or fuck off shit tier eldar poster.

>>53541519
Eat a bag of raw dicks

>>53541519
>tranny slaaneshits incoming

>>53541502
>best options for deathwatch
I'd just recommend buying a gun and shooting yourself, prepare to be slowly forgotten about over the course of this edition and the next

God DAMMIT why are terminators so fucking shit now.

>>53541519
>multiple ethnicities and sexual orientations
how much could it change a story about war and hatred?

>>53541547
>now

>>53541529
/d/

>>53541430
Holy fuck, TGuard with no upgrades are only 37ppm with Mv 7" WS 3+ S5 T5 W3 3+ saves and Rending Claws.

>>53541519
Would totally not be surprised if this is true

>>53541519
source?

>>53541551
>>53541544

Stop replying to the bait without sauce you imbeciles.

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>>53541547
>now

>>53541546
fuck man :(
>>53541557
They are even worse now. 32 points plus 20 for the powerfist, then you pay for whatever other weapon you wanna give it.

soo now snipers can kill character easly

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>>53541547
>now

>>53540575
After angry pants

>>53541547
They got a lot better anon, calm yourself

Overall, is 8th edition a failure?

>>53541580
CAUZ DAT WHAT SNIPAS DO

>>53541356
I'm thinking destoryers or heavies might be the ticket for the long range whipping as they're more mobile? But they're expensive points wise so I dunno

>>53541428
Flyers have the "hard to hit rule"
>-1 to roll to hit

>>53541599
How. 52 points per terminator if you want to buy a powerfist is bad.

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I hear a lot of talk about Necrons being garbage in the new rules.

Is this true? Or is it just a nerf to put them in line and ppl are losing their shit over it? Is it their rules specifically or the general rules conflicting with their list? Looking for any insight or info. Can't open the docs here at work. Much appreciated

>>53541560
Nah but seriously though, is Slaanesh colors always restricted to purple?

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I have a question. Forgive if it has already been answered somewhere else.

>All units in a matched play army must have at least one Faction Keyword in common, though they may be different detachments
The Dark Eldar Archon has Faction Keywords Aeldari, Drukhari, <Kabal>, and Unit Keywords Character, Infantry, Archon.
The Tau Commander has Faction Keywords T'au empire, <Sept>, and Unit Keywords Battlesuit, Character, Jetpack, Fly, Commander.

Keywords like <Kabal> and <Sept> are left blank to use any one, or make up your own. My question is, what if you make the two Faction Keywords the EXACT same? You would then have two races with a common faction keyword in separate detachments in Matched Play.

Let's say you took a Tau Commander and two squads of Fire Warriors. You name the blank Sept keyword "Wu Tang Clan." You then take an Archon and two squads of Kabalites. You name THEIR blank Kabal keyword "Wu Tang Clan." Wu Tang Clan is the same Faction Keyword as Wu Tang Clan, and while you won't get any special character support, you should be able to field them as separate detachments, and even share a Commander ability or two. I admit I only skimmed the rules while I was at work, is there anything that says we can't Enter the Wu Tang? I always wanted to have a Tau / Dark Eldar army work on the tabletop...

>>53541601
Well it looks like they have balanced it by cutting all the fun and unique parts from each faction. Take that as you will.

>>53541580
"Easily" may depend on the character. A company commander or lord commissar? Yeah. A necron overlord? Hope you're a Vindicare.

>>53541454

How do you figure your list has 9 command points? Also, I'm still wondering if command points are good enough to not just skip them and just run spearhead and outrider detachments, not that I have the models the run a 30 meltagun army.

Celestine is life[/spolier]even if transporting her is not.

>>53541629
I remember last edition where I couldn't play my faction until it's codex came out
At least this edition I can play a more bland version that is actually up to date with the rules until the proper codex is released a year from now

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>>53541627

>>53541619
They have double the Wounds, which means per Wound they're now 26points, compare that to the previous versions. Power Fists also no longer strike last, Storm Bolters have double the shots in half range, you can never lose them to mishaps or have to watch them get vaporized after Deep Striking by AP 2 pie plates, they can even charge out of DS if you roll high enough. They're looking decent.

>>53541623
They aren't garbage, they have godly infantry and decent character. They just happen to have the worst anti-tank firepower ever seen in any codex in years.

Which, understandably, puzzles necron players a bit.

>>53540488
I'll probably start a Death Guard army after I finish collecting my genestealer cults one. I hope both end up being .

>>53540806
>I don't understand why modern GW is so bad at names.
Cruddace probably.

>>53541627
Careful, I hear the wu-tang clan ain't nothin to fuck with

>>53541623
every army except nids thinks they are garbage in the new rules

gonna take that to mean everything was actually balanced properly

>>53541623
Its more the lack of rules. They, admittedly along with several other factions, have been robbed of this that defined them, things that made them unique.

>>53541623
They're still seriously resilient, and have some good weaponry. The thing people are whining about is that they can't take generalist options that are good at everything, they have to take specialist anti-tank units to kill tanks. You know, like every other army does. They're not garbage, some people just don't want to adapt to a new edition.

>>53540423
So, how did GW fucked up 8 now? Too many salt around many armies

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>>53541627

>>53540488
Blood Angels 1215/1250
Vanguard detachment
Chaplin 90 pts (Jump pack, Bolt pistol and crozius)
Death company squad 248 (10 men 2 power fists 2 power swords 2 bolt pistols 8 boltguns jump packs)
Death company squad 248 (10 men 2 power fists 2 power swords 2 bolt pistols 8 boltguns jump packs)
Death company squad 248 (10 men 2 power fists 2 power swords 2 bolt pistols 8 boltguns jump packs)
Patrol detachment
captain 81 (plasma pistol and Power sword)
Tactical squad 121 (10 marines 7 boltguns 1, flamer. 1 heavy flamer, 1 power sword and 1 bolt pistol)
Tactical squad 129 (10 marines 7 boltguns 1, flamer. 1 heavy flamer, 1 power sword and 1 hand flamer)
Rhino 70
Rhino 70
God this list after writing this up i am amazed by the point drops. Like this would of been a way more expensive list last edition.

>>53541627
Good job, the game isnt even on pre-order yet, and you already broke the ally system.

>>53541675
Necrons always had shit anti tank
Show me one necron who hasn't rolled 30 dice and not end up with a single six to glance a vehicals and I'll such their dick in hopes of gaining some of their power by swallowing their seed

>>53541675
Gotcha. How are they vs MEQ otherwise?

>>53541683
Makes sense. Although any buff to nids must make nid players spluge

>>53541603
The problem I can see is that the melta is only better within 12" and by that point it's too late to have much of an impact. You really need to be able to deal some damage before carnifexes start hitting your lines.

>>53541698
Really the only issue is that we don't have much in the way of specialist tech as we didn't need it before.

>>53541519

Tbh it's not like IoM gives a shit about any of those, if you're a human who can carry a rifle then you're good to go.

I guess what matters is how hard they try to push those features to the spotlight.

>>53541499
Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously.

Blood Angels get way more options for assault and cumulative buffs.
Who the fuck gives a shit about Grey Hunters when BA can just load up on Jump Pack Assault Marines and Death Company?!
Our Sanguinary Priests, Chaplains, and Librarians all work together to buff our guys with +1 Strength, +1 Attack, re-rolling hits in combat. Our psychic powers are straight up better too.
Sanguinary guard are straight up mean.

>>53541675
>They just happen to have the worst anti-tank firepower ever seen in any codex in years.
Anon.... what? Are you joking? Just because you went from "deletes land raiders with basic troops lol" to "has to actually work to kill things like everyone else now that haywire and grav are nerfed" doesn't mean you have the "worst anti-tank in years".

>>53541701
In their attempt to stream line things a lot of armies lost what made them cool and weren't given anything to make up for it.

Except necrons, necron players are happy as shit.

>>53541529
https://youtu.be/lL3ZS6TFyK0

>>53541693
I am a new player starting nids and I feel like they have it quite well with the "flavour" that some anons have been talking about.
For those which look more generic (even for the we are generic guys! guard) I'd wait until the codexes are released / leaked before being assblasted no?

>>53541679
You can't blaim everything on ((((cruddance)))) anon

>>53541627

I for one can't see any problem with the Wu Tang Hypothesis. We'll probably have to wait for the full rules to come out.

>>53541527
warp talons

>>53540488
Full infantry Tau, riding the new and improved Tidewall Shieldlines. Pathfinders with rail rifles fucking everywhere, markerlights out the ass, drones swarming behind the ever-moving wall, fire warriors and breachers manning the battlements and several Cadre Fireblades granting all units within 6" an extra shot at half range with pulse weaponry. Get fucked, literally everything.
Might also have two rail-rifle Braodsides on the flanks with target locks so they can fire without penalty on the move.

Storm troopers now cost like half of price, and they are troops, holy shit.

>>53541519
I mean, I wouldn't really care that much unless they start using it as a platform for politics, but has Black Library ever released a story with anything more than the barest implication of sex or romance?

The only thing I remember is Cain and that Inquisitor maybe having something.

>>53541519
Why don't they start by featuring more than one personality? Everyone is just a slightly different shade of grim stoicism.

>>53541664
Say I wanted to field a single terminator. Powerfist and an assault cannon let's say. That there my friend is 73 points for a single model. I want a cyclone missile launcher on my termie? Whoops, that one terinator is now 123 points.

>>53541737
>We'll probably have to wait for the full rules to come out.
we HAVE the full rules already.

>>53541730
Necron player here, can confirm
I literally have had this erection for 6 hours

>>53541710
They always had shit anti-tank specialists. They could always kill tanks with non-specialists through saturation. Now they can't, so they have to use the specialized and crappy options.

I play DE and Death Guard

Here's my summary of the rules

>Death Guard
Lost access to a bunch of units
Currently not sure what the bonus loss is exactly but have no real heavy support and FA options is a big deal
Can build a decent army around zombies now that Typhus is cheaper and more useful
Everything other then most Lord entires and cult units have been nerfed
No actual Mark or legion rules

>DE
Sub faction management shit fest
Again not sure what you loose if you do mix factions
Everyone's DE mono build is now better in every way (raider/venom spam with warriors)
One of 2 factions to actually get fluffy bonuses
Power from pain is good
Core rule changes favor this army

I'm going to be selling my Death Guard if the codex is a steaming pile which i am betting it is.

Now I have to finish painting the world's more fragile minis so my DE are table top ready

>>53541735
ikr, worst shit is from Ward

>>53541648
You're right, it's 6. Thought the brigade was 6.

Most let because I am limited to my special weapons, which is like 8 meltas, 4/5 flamers, 5 heavy flamers, 4 heavy bolters, and 3 storm bolters I think. Not counting the Seraphim and tanks. What's funny though is that I have enough models to field a brigade anyway.

cum guzzling faggot with a crutch up your ass

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>>53541233
Problem is, unless your entire army is stormboys, the enemy just deletes the stormboys in their first shooting phase and you've lost more points than you would have if you were running boys.

>>53541626

Not purple but pretty bright and conflicting colors would go alright with them.(neon green,turquoise etc.)

If you feel nauseaus when looking at the painted minis you have done right with it.

>>53541627

FUCK THE EAST COAST NIGGAS

WEST COAST BEST COAST

Skitarii: is it just me, or did they take all the movement buffs from the skitarii infantry, making them slower than ever with no transports?

Which seems...problematic.

>>53541762
>Ward returns to GW
>Guilliman comes back to life
>Primaris marines

>>53541735
You can usually blame Tyranid-related woes on him though. Especially the bad naming schemes since Tyranids having some shittily named things started with his first nid Codex.

>>53541741
>half of the price
D-HURRRRR

>>53541742
>maybe
Cain confirmed plowed or was plowed by Veil every time they met

So, from what I understand after the last few days of leaks...

>Tanks are useless because they can be killed by lasguns
>Anti-tank weapons are too weak and can't kill basic transports
>Characters are just fodder for sniper spam, completely worthless
>They said morale would matter, but all these supporting characters let you ignore it
>Transports are overcosted
>The guys they transport are undercosted
>Flamers are useless
>How am I supposed to assault that flamer squad?

anything I miss?

>>53541770
Alright cool, and how about design wise, are they all horrifying leather bound kinda pinhead guys or what?

>>53540488
Is it possible to make a space marine list yet for 8th? I can't wait to fight with the Blood Ravens again

>>53541627
Why dont you drop the trip first retard, and than try again ?

Are we going to see more footslogging now that transports have doubled and tripled in price?

>>53541788
>Tanks are useless because they can be killed by lasguns
> 894 shots for land raider
> useless

>>53541792
Everything has been leaked dude. We have full scans of every index.

>>53541774
correct!
I was hoping we'd see faster advancing and charging on the sicarians and chicken walkers, but nope. +2" move, thats it!
Add that to no more maniple detachment for scout, and the army is slower and less maneuverable than ever

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>>53541788
>anything I miss?
Yes, everything there is wrong.

Why do tyranids have so many thropes and vores?

>>53541655
>until the proper codex is released a year from now
I hope you play either csm or marines because that's what we will get the next 2 years

>>53541717
They are going to murder MEQ. Tesla somehow improved when it comes to saturation and Gauss has higher than average AP.

Also, the new Reanimation Protocol and Living Metal are just brutal. Necron Infantryhammer is going to be something impressive.

>>53541822
Because vore is hot

>cyclone missile launcher went from 25 points to 50
why live

>>53541675
>>53541683
>>53541693
>>53541698
>>53541710
>>53541720
>>53541729
>>53541758

Thanks for all the Necron input, cheers! I feel better

Kek, just saw there was a faction focus today.
You took too long to release em all, fellas.

What are people's feelings about haywire weaponry in 8th? My gut feeling (obviously haven't playtested yet) is it isn't great, only doing 1 mortal wound a lot of the time isn't so good when vehicles have way more than the 3 HP they used to, but it's hard to judge.

>>53541070
Under rated comment lol

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>>53541773
>did I just hear you right?
BIggie smalls plastic model when?

>>53541775
>Matt Ward returns to W40k.
>Roboute Guilliman practically becomes new Emperor.
>Business as usual.

Fix'd

>>53541818
Oh my I must get to work then. Please excuse my stupidity.

>>53541627

what armies have some synergy cludged together this way?

>>53541829
Tesla really needed the buff as the changes to wounding and cover would've hit it hard otherwise.

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>>53541770
>if you feel nauseous
Nauseated. If you feel Nauseated.

>>53541733
>nidfag
>waiting to be assblasted
Youre not the right type of player for nids.

Also waiting seems the only excuse that can be made
>wait for 6th
>wait for 7th
>w8 4 8th
>wait for codexes
Wait, wait wait wait, thats all there is

>>53541683
Well Tyranids were so shit that any change was bound to be an improvement

>>53541788
u got it m8

>>53541788
It only takes 1500 lasguns at BS3 to kill a stompa, prepare to be crushed by the (math) hammer of the Emperor

>>53541838
It was nerfed for sure, and needed to be. But keep in mind that mortal wound (or multiples if you roll a 6) is in addition to the normal weapon damage you can still inflict.

>>53541838
haywire was too good. This is fine.

>>53541272
Not really much difference, but Warhammer World has some exclusive models you can only get there.

>>53541830
I wanna fuck a tervigons mouth then get swallowed by it

>>53541830
:D

>>53541819
D:
Well, fuck. Kind of feels like most of their stuff got a big nerf vs. what it was before. Maybe/hopefully this was written in anticipation of the Fires of Cyraxus release? Which fixes everything? (Does that sound desperate?)

>>53541820

--------- T H E - J O K E ------>
(you)

>>53541769
But that's also a phase of shooting wasted on storm boys rather than your main blob.
Or you could make other distractions, such as outflanking buggie squads and infiltrating kommandos to keep the fire off your stormboys.

>>53541729
>"has to actually work to kill things like everyone else now that haywire and grav are nerfed"
Well, give me the goddamn lascannon then. Destroyers are pretty much the only thing in the list than can realistically threaten vehicles and they cost an arm and a leg.

BLOOD ANGELS DIDN'T GET FUCKED OVER!

COULD THIS DAY GET ANY BETTER?!

>>53541908
wait till the codex, you'll get fucked over there

>>53541908
Not for me. Deathwatch continue to be shit

Gonna start a new army guys. What army do I choose?

>>53541892
Not everything got nerfed for AdMech. There are goods with the bads. Cyraxus also should indeed hit the spot for missing content in terms of transports and such.

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>>53541788
>some people are taking contradictory positions
>all arguments are equally valid, regardless of evidence
>number of people holding each position is irrelevant
>truth must lie somewhere in the middle
>therefore 8th edition is actually perfect

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>>53541890
Same senpai, would settle for a Daemonette too

Whats the best outfit for a nurgle marked cultist squad? Just ccw and pistol?

>>53541830
I expected this... but i am still disappointed that you used this answer.

>>53541870

1500 lasguns or 1500 lasgun shots?

Because the latter is actually achievable at 1850 in 7E, in a single turn no less.

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>>53541761
>Power from pain is good
It's shit, all deldars will die before getting any benefit for PFP

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>>53541070

>>53541896
>But that's also a phase of shooting wasted on storm boys rather than your main blob.
>shooting at a more expensive unit
>which dies just as easily
>wasted

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>>53541929
EXPECT WE GOT SHIT INSTEAD OF CSM. NOT EVEN SHIT FACTION, JUST A PIECE OF SHIT

>>53541648

Actually, here's my Brigade

Sisters 2500
Command 12

>HQ
3x Cannoness w/Combi-Flamer

>Troop
5x Sisters x5 w/Flamer, HFlamer, CFlamer, and THFlamolator

Sisters x15 w/Condemnor

>Elite
2x Imagrifier
Hospotalier
Priest

>Fast
2x Dominions x5 w/4 Melta, CMelta, and TLMMolator

Seraphim x10 w/2 Hand Flamer

>Heavy
2x Exorcist

Retributers x10 w/4 Heavy Bolters

>>53541892
stop freaking out. we didn't really get nerfed. read the index pages directly instead of listening to idiots.

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>>53541789
When you try to define slaanesh always think on tthese two words , excess and grotesque

>36" range Heavy6 S7 AP-3 D2
>can be shot twice if it doesn't move
Is it just me or does the Exocrine sound absolutely amazing?

So how exactly does counter-offensive work? after a charging unit does its fight first you get to pick one of your units to hit first in a combat or do you just pick a fight to resolve?

>>53541943
LAsgun shots at 12"
So with FRFSRF it's doable with a few turns of sustained fire

>>53541974
<Chaos><Shit><Heretic Astartes><Death Guard>

>>53541814
>Implying guard players won't spam hwt with lascanons and kill land raiders and everything with more than one wound before they get to do shit

>>53542009
Don't forget it also has BS 3+ if it doesn't move.

It's a goddamn monster.

>>53541892

Is cyrax ever coming out
What models will it have?

>>53541761
I think your assessment of DG is way off. The bloat drone is an incredible option at its points cost for a FA slot.

>>53542013
You pick a unit and resolve its attacks.

>>53542013
I cannot believe people still don't understand this

>>53541863
Well I am usually the one assblasting my gf rather than the other way around .

Also you have a point but with the codexes released it will be all that there is to see, including brand new factions I guess and next ed won't be until fucking emprah is born so I don't think it's too uncalled for to suggest to wait until we have all the rules.
>inb4 wait for re-balancing updates

>>53542025
So 125 guardsmen shooting for 3 turns straight with FRFSRF will kill one
The imperium doesn't seem that dark with all these flashlights

>>53541998
The canticles seemed underwhelming too, unless you're referring to something else?

>>53541924
I feel ya DWanon. The two Imperium armies that I play are AdMech/Skitarii and Deathwatch, and I'm so sad to see that my marines are still overcosted, as well as still lacking stuff like Apothecaries or jump packs on chaplains.
Admech at least is still kinda ok

>>53541831
>People believe this is balanced
I'll get the gun

>>53542030
Same with the Tyrannofex rupture cannon. S10 AP-4 Dd6 if both shots hit. Tyranids are looking really good.

>>53542063
> assblasting my gf
Thats gay