MTG Commander/EDH General

White parallel lives.
I only managed to grab 2, I should probably grab another 4, since it's going to go up in price and I can't see myself not using it.

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>>53538450
Amonkhet's gift to White

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>>53538450
>Do you play any cards out of the new sets?

Throne of the God Pharaoh is fun. I want to build a Hapatra deck using cards like Nest of Scarabs.

>>53538450
>Thread Question
Simic Nissa and a few artifacts from Kaladesh.

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>>53538450
>into every creature based strategy involving green ya go snek

snek is good

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>>53538518
Won lots of pre-release games with this.


I only have 1 Recruiter. What deck do I put it in.
Selvala has more options, but Gahiji has slightly better effects.

>>53538450
>Do you play any cards out of the new sets?
New U/W commander has been fun I already had a U/W commander deck using ephara switched out the commander and probably 5 other cards and so far its been a blast.

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So I have this idea for Aurelia control/MLD, what would be some good card draw in these colors?

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>>53538450
This one has been excellent. Replaced Mind Spring as soon as it was released.

>>53538673
I feel Selvala just for the great curve of recruiter into oracle. That being said I don't know what equipment is run in Gahiji. If it's some high end shit then Gahiji.

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>>53538450
>best 1 drop
should say "play on curve, give all creatures haste"

>>53538718
>MLD

Maybe just quit magic, come back in a couple years when you smarten up.

>>53538836
>dislikes MLD
>suggests you smarten up
ur dum cus i cant deal with it

>>53538850
You won't like hearing this but it may be best to build a new deck that has a naturally good match up against the kind of shenanigans hes trying to pull, rather than retrofitting your current deck with an assortment of random hate permanents.

>>53538836
I wonder what exactly you're trying to say.

That MLD is shit? Sure, you're right.

Or that you hate MLD? In which case you're a casual baby.

>>53538718
you dont rely on draw in these decks desu you sorta have to go all or nothing because you dont want to be wasting your turn 4 dropping an outpost siege or turn 5 dropping a mind's eye or turn 6 dropping a staff of nin
though if you were going to less of a straight MLD deck and just wanted to use a deck that could weaponize mld all three of those cards could see play

>>53538718
>boros
>card draw
Wheel effects are the closest you'll get.

>>53538718
Goblin Welder + sad robot, ichor wellspring, , origin spellbomb
Scroll Rack + Shuffle Effects(Land Tax, mycosynth wellspring, recruiter of guard, imperial recruiter, enlightened tutor, open armory, steelshaper's gift, stoneforge mystic, stonehewer giant, godo, fetchlands, Sunforger/TITHE)

Equipment: Sword of Fire/Ice, Infiltration Lens, Mask of Memory, SKULLCLAMP
Creatures: Mentor of the Meek, Quicksmith Genius, Bygone Bishop
Token Generators for skullclamp + Mentor of Meek: Brimaz, Monastery Mentor, Hanweir Garrison, Hero of Bladehold, Elspeths, Feldon of the Third Path, Kjeldoran Outpost, Kher Keep, Sword of Body/Mind, Captain's Claws, Batterskull, goblin rabblemaster, goblin assault, krenko, beetleback chief, siege-gang commander, kemba

Misc: Key to the City, Staff of Nin,mind stone, hedron archive, dreamstone hedron

>>53538907
>MLD is shit
What? It works fine. Tell me how it's a bad strategy.

>>53538964
i dont think thats what he was trying to say, he was asking the other anon why he responded the way he did

>>53538824
How did I miss this? One drop for hidetsugu here I come

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>>53538937
If you exclude artifacts completely, yes.
Also, in red you have a lot of "impulse draw" mechanics. But I don't particularly like using those. Pic related.

>>53538964
>want to mld
>can't mld cause other player have better mans
>finally get to smash
>countered
>try again
>esper float mana and make faiths reward
>kill mans next turn
>it not like /tg/ say
>it not like /tg/ say at all

>>53538599

>Snek
I fucking wish. Naga are bullshit.

>>53538945
Also, Wall of Omens & Oblation

Having a recursion package helps you get more value out of your stuff.Mistveil plains
Karmic guide
reveilark
Loyal retainers
Sun titan
Crucible of worlds
Sword of light and shadow

>>53538945
Do you mean run Mana Tithe as part of the Sunforger package?

>>53539106
He meant the card "tithe"

>>53539077
>counterspell arguments
Counterspells don't make MLD bad. Get a Grand Abolisher/Defense Grid if that's a problem

>>53538991
Yeah, it's the nurse's needle prick effect. People overreact based on concept alone. Of course getting proliferated to death with infect early in the game is frustrating, but it doesn't justify all the hate it gets.

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>>53538450
>>Do you play any cards out of the new sets?

Got this going on in my Sidisi 1.0.
I also use the 5 mana Liliana.

>>53539076
this would have been fine if it functioned like Commune with Lava and let you use the cards until the end of your next turn.

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>>53539077
>i suck really bad at magic
>it not like /tg/ say
>it not like /tg/ say at all
you do realize 100 card singleton decks usually arent that consistent and especially arent consistent to slam mld on turn 4 without thinking right? part of the fun is assessing the situation.

>>53539128
You missed the part about it being a narrow and not particularly impactful strategy with very real limitations.

>>53539128
What would be the best cards for a Sunforger package (other than Boros Charm, obiously)

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>>53539195
depending on your meta this could be fun too

>>53539253
orim's thunder

>>53539195
Speaking of which, should I run Commune with Lava in my deck?

>>53539253
I feel like the Sunforger package is a fun way to customize your deck, since a lot of Boros requires redundant support cards. It's fun to experiment with it. Mine is currently Boros Charm, Enlightened Tutor, Oblation, Path to Exile, Return to Dust, Swords to Plowshares, Tithe, Wear//Tear
>>53539236
>not particularly impactful strategy
You get your commander out and then blow up everyone's mana. Your creatures should be better than their's in combat.

>>53539255
Looks like fun, might pick one up if it's cheap enough

>>53539283
Can you pay the kicker cost of a spell you tutor with sunforger?

>>53539326
its less than a buck less than 3 for a foil

>>53539253
Grab the Reins, Return to Dust, Chaos Warp, Abeyance/Silence, Oblation, Tithe, and Wild Ricochet are some that I use.

>>53539294
I don't think Boros has the mana to really support it. If you want to go with impluse draw, I'd go with>>53539255 since it has DS + Trample it would be a good Sword Holder even if you ignore that other ability. He also is one of Odric 2.0's best friends.

>>53539355
you get to cast the card for free then get the option of paying the extra red for the kicker effect
you just like you can bring to light for rite of rep and pay the kicker on that

>>53539355
yes you are allowed to pay additional costs (and must if they are required) such as kicker/buyback

you can't entwine or fuse however b/c that requires casting from hand

>>53539391
>entwine
>Entwine {2} (Choose both if you pay the entwine cost.)
are you sure about that?

>>53539391
my mistake, Entwine is allowed, but not Fuse

>>53538515

Just drafted this last week in conjunction with Regal Caracal. I'm quite excited to jam it into my trash-tier angel tribal deck.

>>53539253
I feel like a lot of people forget Orim's Chant is a great Sunforger target, it's straigh-up Silence with upside.

>>53539442
I would run it if the judge promo weren't $30

>>53539477
>Orim's Chant
holy crap regular foils are still 20 bucks

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>>53539178
new counterspell for the deck too

>>53539477
Yeah it suddenly occurred to me to check the price and >$7, yee I kinda understand now. Is it played in Legacy?

>>53539564
apparently still used in some maverick decks in legacy
it might be still high because the card is still that powerful despite it not having a spot in the current meta
idk i got out of legacy years ago

I actually really like a lot of cards from the new set for edh.
Cards I personally use
>angel of sanctions
I know removal that goes away when the creature dies isn't usually great in commander but being able to recur it with embalm is nice.
Plus I really enjoy having an opponent's huge threat in exile while I'm working on my board so that my other opponents decide to hold off on their board wipes.
>vizier of many faces
clone effects are fun plus being able to do it twice in a game is also fun.
I also really like the embalm tokens.
>vizier of the menagerie
if you run green and creatures this is really nice.
>the bicycle lands fit into a lot of my decks and are fairly cheap
>a lot of the new artifacts are fun. some have already been mentioned but I'd like to add these as well.
>edifice of authority
>luxa river shrine
I play both in my zedruu deck because they give me some more life and protection and I can give them to another player who may be having a bad game or is getting unlucky or just being targeted for no reason to help them stabilize.

I mean nothing is really overpowered or broken but they have been some fun and that is what I play edh for.

>>53539631
That's nice that you enjoy them but they're still all shitty except the green cycle duals.

>>53538450
How does one play Sliver edu without being the target of "omg get him"?

I want to just play casual tribal with one of my favorite tribes but can't seem to shake public enemy #1. Do I just go full combo asshole and embrace the heat with sliver queen combo?

>>53538450

Not yet, but I am working on two Naya decks that'll use some. One using Samut, Voice of Dissent as a Commander which will appear to be Voltron (and can win that way) but mostly uses her as a Haste enabler for three or four Infinite combat combos, including Combat Celebrant and Kiki-Jiki. I really need a good alter for Samut first. I don't even care about the design, just the art man.

The other is a Mayael the Anima deck. Pretty straight forward, big beasties who either do something on ETB or while in Play. Vizier of the Menagerie would work pretty well, just give me a heads up if there's anything worthwhile on the top of my deck, plus a bit of Mana Fixing if Mayael has been hated off the field.

>>53539767
You find new players who don't know any better.

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>>53539846

Forgot the image.

>>53539846
Better watch out anon according to >>53539687
vizier is shit

>>53539767
That's pretty much what Slivers are. They're an exponentially growing threat that must be answered or they'll snowball out of control. No one wants to have to stare down 10 15/15 Slivers with Deathtouch, Lifelink, Trample, Vigilance, and Flying that can be tapped to destroy your creatures.

>>53539767
>find a way to protect your land as highest priority
>tutor for shroud/evasion sliver next priority

you are going to have to either ramp hard to assemble your wall and then combo or need to do it all in one turn, gonna have to use maximum chrasima to get them not to All attack and target you, or you can fient stupidity by baiting out removal key parts of combo and use reanimation shinaigans

>>53539954
That is correct.

>>53539954

How? It's a far cheaper Garruk's Horde without revealing what's on the top of your Library to everybody, plus it's some pretty good Mana fixing for creatures.

>>53539767
>How does one play Sliver edu without being the target of "omg get him"?
play in a group of equally high powered decks, I find that slivers get btfo'd by the first board wipe then lose or stick the indestructable sliver then win
your meta should be shooting for a sub 10 turn win for every deck then it will all be pretty similar

>>53539846
>samut
the bottom half of that card is more repulsive than that horrible art desu

>>53540061
I personally think it's great that's why I mentioned it. That anon just said it's shit just to say it is shit

>>53540061
>>53539954
Let me elaborate I guess.

It's a four drop removable turn-delayed draw spell that only draws creatures, reveals what you draw and telegraphs your impactful plays.

At its absolute best it's an okay draw spell for its cost with some restrictions, somewhere in the middle it's a decent source of CA when left alone, and at its worst you get eliminated because you revealed the wrong threat on top.

>>53540080

It's just a better Kalemne that enables Haste and can Untap a creature as need be. Boring yes, but it's not bad.

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>>53539846
just take this art

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>>53540179
>It's just a better Kalemne

>>53540179
It is shit card design and blatant pandering to EDH/Commander.

>>53540205

Are you saying she's a dead fish?

>>53539442
Does silence/orim's chant stop a spell in its tracks when you cast in response? Like countering a spell?

>>53540178
It doesn't reveal what you draw, spurglord.
It also fixes, which is very important for 3+ colors.

>>53540216
>things go swimingly
>something is fishy here
>u can tune a piano but cant tune a kalemne

>>53538450

Threw Harsh Mentor into my RW deck since half of my playgroup seems to think any life point aside from the first one matters.

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>>53540247
Nope, you're looking for Render Silent in that situation.

>>53540247
No since the spell has already been cast.

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>>53540258
>>u can tune a piano but cant tune a kalemne

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>>53540258
>cant tune a kalemne

>>53540252
Whoops, always forget that.

But if your metric for good is that it mana fixes in green I'm going to have to disagree.

>>53538718

It's not a control deck, but maybe my list will give you some ideas. I generally do pretty well in games and it's a lot of fun to play whether I win or lose.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/aurelias-justice/

>>53540178
let me counter these points
>4 drop
it's edh and in green you are very likely to get this out on turn 2
>removable
it is edh not modern. most removal in edh gets around basically everything. Using dies to removal only matters if bolt or fatal push is heavy in the format.
>reveals what you play
did you read the card?!?! it says you may read it. it says YOU may read it. it doesn't say reveal it or play with the top card of your deck revealed.
>completely ignores color fixing
okay yeah if you are running mono green then it probably doesn't matter too much but if you are running 2,3,4, or 5 colors it does make an impact.

Maybe you should read the card next time before you claim a card sucks.

>>53540296
>tuned kalemne
>its just boros meh stuff
ur fac is Benis :DDD

>>53540297
If you are playing 3 or 4 color, then being able to cast it entirely off of Cradle is very important, because you should have better things to do with your fixing.

>>53540314
Cool deck. With that many noncreature spells (I think 44?) A monastery mentor would be a nice addition. A Nykthos would also be something to consider.

>>53539442

How have I never seen that card before?

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>>53538450
Instant speed plus cycling. I feel its a good addition to my removal suite.

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>>53538450
yeah boi

>>53540402
Awww did I hurt your waifu hole?
awww poooor thiiiing

>>53540338
Ingot chewer & Flamerush Rider are the only bits of Kalemne-related tech I've found

>>53540374

I might have to consider MM. I also just got a SoWaP and I'm thinking about adding it to the deck as well. It's by no means a perfect deck, but it does good work in my group. Helps that I am stupid lucky when I comes to drawing the cards I need.

>>53540346
And if your point is that a card is good because it synergizes with Cradle of all things I'm going to continue to disagree with your definition of the word good.

>>53540324
>gets out turn 2
Then it would be vastly better as a Harmonize.
>removal doesn't matter
It very much does when it can't do anything if it dies, unlike Ponder.
>>>>color fixing as a huge plus
>>>>>green

>>53540429
It was said in earlier threads, but even her namesake card is a garbage fire

>>53540297

I can't see any situation where the creature hurts you instead of helping, even considering green is the best color at mana fixing.

>>53540476
Yeah I was wrong on that point, I remember doing the same thing at prerelease because the last three times they made this effect it revealed.

The only conceivable negative is that the opponents recognise a slow on-board value engine and decide to focus you, which isn't really an argument.

>>53540397
despite it costing 3x as much as nature's claim i could see myself playing it in a couple of decks

>>53540453
Is there anything that doesn't die to removal?
I'm confused at your definition of bad.

>>53540585
Most of the time you're gonna want to pay more for the versatility. It's like how Krosan Grip costs 3 times more as well, but it's almost always better to run over Nature's Claim

>>53540645
batterskull doesn't as you can just bounce it back to your hand in cases of emergency, and needing removing the germ token in emergencies cases should make you feel deep shaim

>>53540746
>always better to run over Nature's Claim
thats quite the claim
if I had to run one it would be nature's claim but I run both in any green deck so I never really have to make that choice

>>53540757
So you are always going to have three mana open to bounce batterskull?

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>>53540812
not very hard to do

>>53540812
if you play with friends who play slow blue games, yes

>>53540782
Depends on your meta I guess. There's a lot of blue in mine so Nature's Claim on anything worth removing will usually get countered or they'll have instant speed shenanigans

>>53540453
>would be better playing harmonize on turn 2
no shit but this is a 99 singleton card deck. yeah in an ideal world i'll have harmonize on turn 2 but the argument that a card isn't good because there is a better potential better turn 2 card isn't an argument for edh because chances are you won't have the exact card you want the exact turn you'd want them.
>removal matters
again it is edh every deck runs removal and they run removal that gets most creatures unless it has shroud/hexproof and indestructible it's going to die to it. >>53540645
gets my point. Dies to removal is used as an argument in modern where if it dies to bolt it isn't good because a ton of decks run playsets of bolt. That's why you rarely hear that argument for legacy or vintage because if it dies to removal in those formats then it is going to die if you don't have a force of will and if they don't have a force of will to counter your force of will.

>color fixing in green isn't a good thing
let's say I'm playing a 4 or 5 color deck. let's assume I get perfect draws/turns like you do in your examples
t1- forest, sol ring
t2-any nontapped land and vizier
t3- can play my 4 or 5 color commander using whatever I have without any more fixing. >>53540757
only lists one example that costs 5 mana and would require 8 mana to protect itself if someone targeted it the turn it's played. So you're saying something that cost 4 mana is bad because it dies to removal in a format where removal gets around everything is bad because a card that has a cmc of 5 can protect itself if you had 8 mana the turn you played it to protect it that also is just a beater that may gain you life.

you still haven't made one solid claim why vizier is bad

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>>53540782
>>53540746
>>53540872
>having pleb taste in removal

>>53540872
that really doesnt sound realistic
what decks are in your meta, what are the win conditions?

>>53540906
never said vizir is bad, like phyxian metalmorph more though if i where to give an opinion because it can hit more targets and artifact stuff, and the art is cooler

>>53541075
>stuff, and the art is cooler
Sure man, nice backpedaling.

>>53540829
so if you want to protect this you need a total of 6 available mana the turn you want to cast it. just for a 3/3 flier that does nothing else. Plus hey it dies to sudden death so there's one example of a removal spell that can kill it. so you're paying 6 mana for a 3/3 flier that dies to sudden death IT SUCKS by your logic.
>>53540757
batter skull is a 5 cost card where you better hope you have 3 left over so you can protect it. it also is just a beater. it may gain you life but it's not easy getting in combat damage through in commander.
also it's like $20 which I think is a bit overpriced. If we aren't talking about price I should just put in mox opal if I am worried about mana fixing but wait that dies to artifact removal so it sucks too.
I mean Vizier of the menagerie is like $6 for a pretty decent card that color fixes and gets you a bit deeper in your deck.
>>53541075
talking about vizier of the managerie and you are the same anon that said all of these suck >>53539631 you did say vizier of many faces sucked. if not I apologize.

>>53541075
redundancy is important in edh yeah one card of a similar effect may be better but you probably wont see it. Plus vizier of many faces can be played more than once which is really nice.

>Do you play any cards out of the new sets?
Gideon's Intervention in Dakkon Pillowfort and Cartouche of Solidarity in both Daxos and Bruna so far. I'm contemplating a cycling list so there'll be a ton of new cards in it.

I also need some advice on what to cut for Lazav.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-05-17-hWy-lazav/

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>>53541186
oh if we going into copy creatures only and if you are worried about milling your own visir in a sidis deck or into a controlly kinda meta i think Body Double would be a cool underused copy card, especially in a blue meta, where blue board wipes are usually bounce effects and tokens dont really like that. And legistically its easier to play as you just ask for the card in the graveyard and plop it ontop
>also looks better than visir, and has more faces

>>53540645
Harmonize notably does not die to removal.

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>>53541493
>implying

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>>53540179
>Samut design

>>53540409
What deck?

>>53541582

>Old Fogey is the only dinosaur in Magic

Truly a crime against Magic the Gathering. Why did they have to make all the Dinosaur's lizards? What is this, Victorian England?

>>53541211
>>53540906
>but the argument that a card isn't good because there is a better potential better turn 2 card isn't an argument for edh
What exactly does good mean to you that isn't just a qualitative comparison. If it's worse than other things it's probably not good.
>again it is edh every deck runs removal
The problem is that this is a severely limited draw spell that can only draw creatures. Virtually every other draw spell does not have those issues, and can't be killed before they draw you cards.
>let's say I'm playing a 4 or 5 color deck. let's assume I get perfect draws/turns like you do in your examples
You're the retard that brought up playing Vizier turn 2 dumbass. But if you were in four colors you have absolutely no reason to run this trash over Divinitation/CotS, Borrowing 10,000 Arrows/ToD, Painful Truths, Night's Whisper and other shitty but still better draw spells.

So to sum it up Vizier does a couple things. Two to be exact, draws cards and fixes mana.

Now we see that it draws cards worse than other simpler options at cheaper mana costs, so that's half of the card's functionality is decisively not good, or as I like to call it, SHIT.

>b-b-but anon what about the mana fixing
Gee anon, we're color fixing in Gxx, what are some of the options we have available? Fetchlands, Prismatic Omen, Chromatic Lantern, Shocklands, ABUR Duals, ? Fuck that too expensive. I know, how about cards that color fix and advance my boardstate at the same time. How you ask? Kodama's Reach, Cultivate, Rampant Growth, literally fucking Wood Elves.

Pick any dumb basic land tutor card and it probably has more of an impact than Vizier would.

Hence, Vizier of the Menagerie, a shitty Courser of Kruphix except for creatures which are already limited by the mana you need to spend to cast them so having a virtual one added to your hand isn't that big of a deal and also priced at four mana while usually not having any impact the turn it comes into play is fucking bad.

>>53540969
Talrand draw-go, Derevi stax, Daretti stax, Tasigur goodstuff/combo, And some other stuff that changes. I mean it's pretty cancerous, but I don't see how it's unrealistic to expect a blue player to protect their combo pieces.

>>53541751

It also lets you know what your next draw is, even if it isn't a creature.

>>53541751
you can always tell who's losing an argument based on who gets pissed first and starts namecalling.

>>53541996
Alright fine I admit it, Amonkhet actually has one of the highest powerlevels of any set released since the Urza block and basically every card in it is stupidly broken. I'm fucking furious with the powercreep we see in cards like Archfiend of Ifnir, Forest, Dune Beetle and Splendid Agony.

I mean what was Wizards thinking about printing all of these cards that do literally nothing the turn you play them? That kind of power is at the top of the current EDH meta and I really hope Sheldon Menery addresses some of these problematic toxins at his next Tribal EDH night.

>>53541751
Okay so before you're argument was that it was shitty because it was a creature that died to removal. Now you've switched your points to being about draw spells which isn't even the main reason to play him.
First let's compare this to courser of kruphix (which is a card that is pretty liked)
courser forces you to play with your library revealed which was your previous complaint about vizier of the menagerie before you actually read the card.
no shit the original dual lands color fix you but we're talking about a 6 dollar card compared to several hundred dollar cards. Why don't we just name a whole bunch of other reserve list cards while we're at it. Of course I'm sure if the power 9 were not banned you'd be saying cards like mox opal are bad because the other moxes and black lotus are better.

even then fetchlands, shocklands, and the duals can only get you one color at a time and you can only chose between 2 colors for each land. Chromatic lantern is a good card in edh people love it because it turns all of your mana into any color you want. If you are running a lot of creatures vizier helps do this (redundancy is really important in edh btw). Also chromatic lantern only lets your lands produce mana of any color. Vizier lets it be any of your mana rocks as well which is really important.
As for draw spells you named blue and black cards. Yeah who would have guessed that blue and black had better draw spells? If you're playing naya I guess you are shit out of luck then boyo. Even then the main reason to play vizier isn't for that pseudo draw effect which you seem to despise.
Sure vizier may not be the best draw spell and like 99.9% of creatures in magic some removal can get it. It also doesn't have the power level of the power 9. It does however give you pseudo card draw, gives you an effect similar to chromatic lantern which is even better than chromatic lantern if you are casting creatures, and it doesn't cost $500+. that's why it is good.

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How's Kraj as a commander? Simic is my favorite color combo, and I think he'd be fun to play with the 99 just being a load of utility creatures, but he's probably a huge hate magnet.

>>53538824
This art is my favourite. I love he anubite in the back getting hype as fuck.

>>53542143
Wow, have you considered going outside and getting some sun?
Excessive butthurt about a card game sometimes indicates a lack of vitamin D.

>>53542143
>Forest
When are they gonna ban this guy he's been in every G deck for years

>>53538964
Not worth the political repercussions. It's a lot easier to try to scrounge out a win in Boros while being ignored than it is with people pissed off at you.

>>53542310
Kraj looks like a huge asshole.

>>53542396
If your asshole looks like that you should make an appointment with your doctor

>>53542310
He's part of a combo piece, but not a very good combo. You get rightfully ignored til you start up the combo then eat disruption unless you have a gorillion mana to counter everything. He's alright though in the average meta.

>>53542143
I'm not the guy that you've been arguing with about vizier (although it seems like a few people are arguing with you) but your arguments have been these:
>it reveals your next card to everyone which is
after reading the
>it's a creature that dies to removal for 4mana that doesn't protect itself like these other cards do for 6+
after people counter that
>it's not as good at mana fixing as the original duals or chromatic lantern
that gets
>it's not as good a draw spell as these blue and black draw spells
after that gets countered
>well you're a retard and a dumbass
>amonkhet didn't bring us cards as powerful as the power 9 or cards that are several hundred dollars so all of the cards are bad and shit. If you don't spend over $5000 on one deck you are playing edh wrong you dumbass retard.
This is you. This is you countering claims where no one called you names or a dumbass. I think the meanest thing someone said was they told you to try reading the card next time . If this is you when people are bringing up points in a nonangry manner I can only imagine how you act in a real game of commander. probably throw a hissy fit and throw all of your cards if someone counters a spell of yours.

>>53542301
>you're argument was that it was shitty because it died to removal
Learn how to read dumbass. I'll even relink my first post so you can check it out again.
>>53540178
Notice how I mention removal with precisely one word of my sixty something words?

Anyways, color fixing alone doesn't make a card good, especially not color fixing for only creatures. Drawing cards alone doesn't make a card good, especially when you're only drawing creatures. Looking at the top card of your library is an incredibly weak effect overall, and only becomes good when it's done in multiples and is stapled onto other decent effects like Top or Preordain, which are noticeably very cheap cards and not four mana.

Vizier is a bad card advantage engine, it's an okay I guess mana fixer, and overall the card is overcosted compared to other available sources of card draw.

>cards like Mox Opal are bad compared to the Power 9
Well yeah they certainly fucking are. Are you an ESL? Do you know what good and bad mean?

>>53542317
I just got a sunburn driving around all day yesterday actually.

>>53542455
>I'm not the guy you've been arguing with
>except I'm going to randomly bring up the Power 9 like him even though I never mentioned them
I never posted Wydwen or Batterskull, that was another anon but thanks.

I posted
>it's a four drop when better draw effects exist at a lower CMC
>it's removable when CA effects exist that aren't removable, at a lower CMC
>it can only draw creatures when other draw spells don't have that restriction, at a lower CMC, that aren't removable
None of those were "countered" they were replied to. Saying that removal doesn't matter in a literal qualitative argument about other cards that can't get removed is fucking stupid, of course it matters.

I only ever brought up blue and black draw spells because he mentioned being 4c right in the post I was replying to.

When Divination is dangerously close to be strictly better, you have a problem.

Ive chaos warped into avacyn 3 times now. Is she my wife?

>>53542630
A completely separate anon here than the ones you've been arguing with. Can you put on a trip so I can filter your sperg sessions?

>>53542664
A completely separate anon here than the one you're replying to, fuck off.

>>53542644
Yeah, if that's not love I don't what is.

>>53542630
>dumbass
>retard
>esl
>not seeing the irony since he is the only one sperging out.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't link a picture to your sunburn to show that you've been outside.
You've completely ignored all the reasoning several anons have given you and you just call them dumb, retarded, or autistic. What did those people ever do to you? It's how people are born it's not really an insult it's just in bad taste to people that actually do have those issues. I'm surprised you haven't called anyone a nigger, jew, or chink yet desu.

Use vizier of the menagerie or not it doesn't matter. People on here seem to like it and have given plenty of reasons for it and you've ignored all of it.

Please put on a trip so we don't have to deal with your sperg sessions because some people on here actually want to discuss edh without someone going "you dumb retard els autistic nigger jew chink why would you use one of the new bicycle lands when you could spend 500 and get one of the original dual lands in the same colors"

Let's ignore that anon and talk about edh stuff.
I'm going to make an edh deck for my friend to give to him on his birthday. He's really new to magic. He's only played 2 games but he seems really interested. Anyone have any good recommendations? I want to spend $100 or less so I was thinking about getting him a precon and just making upgrades but giving him all the cards so he has more things to work with. I'd also love some cool sleeve suggestions with cool designs instead of sleeves that are really durable because I think he would enjoy that more. Eventually I'll get him up to better sleeves and double sleeving but he seemed to really get a kick out of the puppy sleeves I had.

>>53542902
Wanderer+a bunch of intro pack stuff and ramp and some alright cheap duals should be fine if you don't mind your friend getting hooked on the Wanderer drug.

>>53542902
I repeatedly make actual claims and counterclaims supplemented with various insults because we're all mostly adults here, just for my posts to be ignored or "countered" by non-arguments like "4 drops come out turn 2" or "removal doesn't matter."

>you've ignored it all
I've replied to basically every point though.

I've tried explaining how Vizier under-performs compared to other sources of card advantage but it doesn't seem most of you know what card advantage is.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/lo/basics-card-advantage-2014-08-25
Read that, and then ask yourself how many cards you expect Vizier to give you. If it's less than three (remember that lands are 1/3 of your deck, and often you'll see a noncreature nonland card every 4 or less cards in creature heavy decks) which would require digging roughly five whole cards deep just to find then it's already worse than common blue draw spells at four mana.

But no, let's ignore the basics of every card game ever released and shout how we feel about the card at each other, because dumb opinions as opposed to actual comparisons is how things are decided.

Anyways, since virtually all of my points have remained uncontested even though you guys are convinced you're right, I'll leave you all to idolizing your do-nothing Timmy four drops.

>>53543020
would yidris be beginner friendly enough? That's my main concern

My inner autism makes me wanna feel like I'm playing chess while playing EDH. Every move is measured, and all that. What / Who do I play to achieve this effect? I've never played control or anything similar.

>>53543070
Seriously dude, either stop posting or set up a trip.

>>53543145
You haven't actually responded to any of my claims though.

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>>53538450
>Do you play any cards out of the new sets?

Does my YGO card count? I have no deck to use it in In truth I only look at the new sets specifically for commander since my group is commander only and dislikes 60 card formats for whatever reason

>>53542369
With randos, I'll agree. It is a completely viable strategy just like combo/stax. It's really all that aggro has going for it in the format. My playgroup doesn't have a problem with it though luckily.

>>53543134
OG Teferi. You carefully play the game reacting to everyone else's turns while slowly positioning yourself to set up a checkmate with a Knowledge Pool lock

>>53542369
Erm, I misread you. Once you wipe lands, you pretty much have won unless you're retarded and did it when your opponents had a recoverable boardstate.

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why doesn't this get more love?

>>53543085
Yidris seem a bit too cumbersome, what with needing to attack and being 4 colors, Wanderer he just needs to ramp up to and cast him for 2 free things.

>Archfiend of Ifnir
Oh how my playgroup hates that card.

>playing Lazav mill
>drop archfiend of ifnir then pop memory jar on my next turn
>wheel everyone's hands, draw into wheels, wind up discarding 17 cards
>wipe the entire board, fill the graveyard with a shitload of friends AND get to swing with my super beefy reanimated board state

He's good, particularly because of the cycling, so he's never really a dead draw and he's always a good reanimation target.

>>53543337
Although it's a decent effect, few decks utilize it well enough (either through effects that directly synergize, or ways to loop it) to justify including it - One would argue Elixir of Immortality is almost better 9 times out of 10.

>>53543337
Because it's pretty worthless unless you're playing Grenzo or some weird eggs deck.

>>53543361
I just love that it's 1 mana draw

>>53543361
>>53543373
I could see a use for it as a secondary mistveil plains for Sunforger targets

>>53543381
True. It's a cantrip with a conditional reason to use it. I just think most folks pass over it because of its age and the fact that it's a fairly niche effect to staple to your cantrip.

>>53543070
this is the last time I'm replying to you. Your original claims were it's a 4 drop, dies to removal, only draws you creatures, and reveals the top card to your opponents which is bad.

4drop that dies to removal was countered >>53540324 , >>53540645
your response was batterskull
>>53540757 , >>53540829
which was countered by >>53540812
>>53541211
by pointing out that costs more like 6 or 8 mana instead of 4.

Showing your opponents the top card was countered by you reading the card.
Then you tried to switch it by saying that chromatic lantern, original duals, and fetches were better for fixing and that blue and black are better at card draw than vizier. >>53541751
Which no one argued that hey those cards do do each of those things individually better even though for creatures vizier's effect is better than chromatic lantern.
So basically you're reasoning for it being bad is it doesn't do a good of a job fixing as the original dual lands (which is debatable in the decks you want vizier in), it's not indestructible and doesn't have hexproof with it, it cannot evade removal spells as well as cards that would cost you 8 mana to protect itself, and it doesn't draw cards as well as blue and black cards. I mean if a 4 cmc green creature did all of that better than all of those cards we wouldn't have a power 9 it'd be power 10. Your points have been countered by several people and you've ignored them all. The only thing you countered was "no i've been outside because I have a sunburn" unless you consider calling people retarded, autistic, or dumbass counter arguments.
Seriously put a trip on you are literally cancer on this board. This isn't me making fun of cancer which I am sure will be your counter argument if you decide to do anything more than call me retard, autistic, or a jew

>>53543341
ah my bad I thought you were talking about yidris. Maelstrom wanderer might actually be fun for him then.

>>53543464
Wanderer lets him play all those rares and mythics that look cute but never get to see action before getting blown up.

>>53543158
Dude, I just got here, you're going nuts.

>>53543641
shut up you dumb retarded nigger it's not my fault none of you autistic jews understand how to play magic

>>53543778
Dude, I would get off the internet. You're mad.

>>53543861
fuck you vizier of the menagerie is bad and you guys are too retarded and dumb to realize it

Is Bitter Ordeal good in a Teysa, Orzhov Scion deck? Decks the table if i have the combo out but no Blood Artist effect but can also just grab problematic cards out of decks if need be. Thinking of replacing with Vampiric tutor tho.

>>53538518
This works wonders in my Gisa Zombie Tokens deck. Or any token deck really.

>>53544022
Obviously vamp tutor is better, because then you can just grab a blood artist with it and cast it for the same total combined mana, in addition to being able to tutor up answers to boardstates that won't let you go off.

Bitter ordeal might be better than some other cards in your deck though, because it is yet another wincon in addition to being a card which can destroy a few combo decks with only a few gravestorm triggers.

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>>53544022

>replacing Vampiric Tutor

How much MLD should I run in Boros?

>>53544450
you read it wrong dude. he's thinking of replacing that card WITH vampiric tutor not the other way around. he just was asking because it's another combo for hi even tho vampiric tutor is really good

>>53544477
About 6 cards. Boom//Bust, Armageddon, Ravages of War, Obliterate, Decree of Annihilation, and Boil

>>53544250
Yeah i agree. If i post my decklist can you guys helpe find cards to cut and add. I feel the list is really good but i need like 5 cuts and better cards added to replace.

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>>53544493

Oops, I am a retard.

>>53544580
>tfw you never got to goblin dark dwellers'd a bust before the rules change
feels super fucking bad man

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What are some good U and G cards that work well with landfall?

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>>53544686

>>53544779
Thanks, but what I am really asking is what are good cards that trigger landfall. I should have made myself more clear.

>>53544686
Sylvan library, rites of flourishing, exploration, burgeoning, and every single land tutor. Blue doesnt specifically support the strategy, but it will get you the cards that get you the lands.

>>53543297
And my point was after winning one game doing that you become the top target for the foreseeable future. So sure if you want to win one game and retire a deck, go for it.

Also with MLD and stax, for one time they close out a game there is an another time where said spells are cast out of vindication or because the player is in a board state where they have no other plays but can't close out the game.

>>53544686
Urban evolution. Gush. Mana bond. Crop rotation.

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>>53544580
>no Keldon Firebombers

>>53544580
Boil's really a meta dependent choice. It's amazing if you have blue decks on level with the meta but a lot of newer players can't into control leading to anything running islands being both rare and janky fliers.dec In monored I'd reach for flashfires first but of course in Boros you might as well Boil.

>>53544580
Why Boil? That seems like a meta-specific hate card. Why not go for something like Ruination?

>>53545237

Boil is really good in more competitive metas, since almost every good deck runs blue. In other groups, yeah it's much less impressive.

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>>53538450
hell yeah i do

>>53544580
>>53545060
>>53545237
>No mention of Impending Disaster, the most mindfuckery of all MLD.

>>53538518
Nest gets out of control In Haptra since you get insects for every -1/-1 placed. Never be afraid to use BSZ for a lot with it and haptra out. You get a lot out of it with those two.

>>53545495
i feel like the only one who built hapatra as a dedicated combo deck

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>>53545556
>scarab nest
>hapatra
>necroskitter
>black sun's zenith where X = 3

>>53545608
>blowfly infestation
>blood artist

alternatively

>necrotic ooze
>devoted druid + channeler initiate in graveyard

>>53544580
Ruination and Keldon Firebombers are legit.

>>53545556
I built mine to go wide with tokens; Beastmaster's, Druids' Repository for free mana and various other things.

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>playan Slobad
>late game mana flood and nothing good off the draw
>eventually end up with a Karn, Spine of Ish Sah, Staff of Nin and a couple rocks
>realize I can start slapping the shit out of people with a 6/6 and a 7/7
>my turn with a tapped out blue player who already used up free counters
>topdeck All Is Dust

Karn fucking rules. Holy shit.

>>53545813
i built mine out of the ashes of my vial-smasher/thrasios buried alive necrotic ooze deck that turned out to be a little too consistent for my meta.

infinite snakes is way more fun anyway

Mayael, Nekusar,Yidris

Which one of these is best/most fun for multiplayer?

>>53545995
nekusar and yidris tend to take extra long turns that make the rest of the table groan as you chain wheels/storm out

mayael is nice and straightforward. you're gonna beat down with big shit.

so it depends on whether you want 3 people to dislike you by the end of the night or not.

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doin a gonti reanimator deck just make a bunch of mana cast and sac gonti over and over again. triggering his ETB as many times as possible. just ordered a bunch of stuff for him. very excited from the small playtesting i did with him.

>>53545995
Nekusar is the most fun. Play with flash to avoid getting locked down/hated out and keep the cmc below 3.5 and you should have a blast.

>>53541614
grixis Sedrix with a sundial

>>53546121
in my experience yidris is just nekusar with green most of the time, which is pretty neat.

>>53545383
How much fun is this card,if it is truly mindfuckery?

>>53544966
>>53544860
Thank you both!

>>53546244
Think of it this way:
>4 person game, you go first
>Turn two, total of 4 lands on the field
>You put down your land, and play Impending Disaster
>Now the person who plays the 7th land is the one responsible for ruining it for everyone else.

>>53546405
What I'm getting at is that red and white are the fun police at the table, if you play anywhere near competitively.

>>53546531
Red has always been the fun police. How many cards has lightining bolt blanked over the years because it wasnt a 4 toughness card? Red usually kept its control to the meta level in the past with very few cards like smoke or bloodmoon comming out but whenever red gets a control card its one of the best.

>>53543245
Attrition is great in Ghoulcaller Gisa.

>>53538673

Are there other people in this general that love pimping their decks? I regularely post mine but rarely see others do the same.

Pictures of foil decks and good alters would be awesome.

>>53546668
White is also the policiest color too, in terms of stax, taxing, and other oppressive effects. Well I guess fun police is the only way to make Boros not suck.

>>53543337
Because for a bit more mana you can get that card back in your hand. I can see it being used in a Silas/Akri deck but that's really it.

>>53546709
You forgot furnace of rath effects. A flashed dictate of the twin gods can be a 5 mana killspell, and push commmander damage over the top

>>53546709
stax kalemne is hilarious. people expect you're some durdly bad deck full of bad giant tribal cards but instead you make the game hell for everyone and then drop your 4-mana double striker to slowly end games turn by turn

>>53546113
I'm fiddling with something like this for Gonti.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-05-17-UGC-gonti/

He does seem like could be a lot of fun.

I would have really liked it if Kalemne had a huge list of keywords, like the list they put on Odric, and for every experience counter you had she got one of those keywords at start of turn.

So I guess the gameplan is drop some annoying dudes with some mana rocks and card draw and blow up everyone's lands? Maybe vandalblast their shit too?

>>53546854
That would be too good of design for boros. Learn to accept your place like the rest of us.

>>53546964
??? But Odric is white? Or like, you can spend experience counters to give her stuff, so First strike might be cheap but indestructible would be more expensive? It might be a bit complicated but maybe a bit better?

>>53538450
I pulled a deaths majesty from amonkhet, I'm running it in my Gisa zombies

i really wish there was a legendary in RWU with vigilance. ruhan isn't the ideal choice for my dedicated stasis deck but he's the best option i've got.

How many boardwipes for this boros deck?

>>53547069
Akiri+Kraum? Akiri+Silas and you also have black for tutors and an artifact theme.

Would it be better to run path to exile, or condemn? I have both along with swords to plowshares, and I wasn't sure if I need all three of them, or just two of them (playing boros).

>>53547098
an amount of them

>>53547222
yeah, but my list doesn't run too many artifacts. it's not really a stax deck so much as it is a prison deck. not even running that many rocks. akiri would likely be a 1/3 or 2/3 at the most.

>>53547252
path is more useful imo but I also have seen many times where the attack trigger happening meant it was too late to stop that player. Id rather run crib swap or chained to the rocks over condem.

>>53547277
What non-zero number though?

>>53546113
>>53546792
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/23-04-17-IjD-stop-hitting-yourself/

my gonti

>>53547324
Depends on your meta. 5 is a good middle-ground number. Increase or decrease it from there.

>>53547389
Plus the 5 or so LMDs?

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how good would this be in zada?
>fattys cant attack because you draw everything on your turn

>>53547444
most of the good zada decks i've seen run out of mana before they can dump their giant hand most of the time

>>53547475
no more like
>small hand size for most of game
>draw huge hand
>win that turn

>>53547508
yeah that one

>>53547444
If you're drawing everything you should be winning.

>>53539206
>I'm going to go mld strategy against inconsistent decks with black and blue in them
That's like using a tank to kill a gerbil ya mank

>>53547438
Yeah. Put in 5 mld. Don't forget to wear a cup and a some armor maybe when you play.

what are some decent ways to draw cards if i'm playing mono white with Lin Sivvi as my commander? i get that she can tutor out rebel creatures, and rebel creatures in general can tutor themselves out, but i still need some way to help myself get more noncreature cards.

>>53547872
don't forget 5 land into deck haha

>>53547892
>mono white
No.
Mentor of the Meek is really your only option.

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>>53547892
do the opposite of that

Can I get some advice on my EDH decklist if I post it?

>>53547910
actually, he could play like... slate of ancestry, mind's eye, and staff of nin. those are all halfway decent.

>>53547936
He could do that, but then he'll have no mana for his overcosted rebels.

>>53547444
It wouldn't be. The whole idea around Zada is to have a single massive combo turn where you make tokens, then buff, cantrip and Ritual like crazy into a billion damage worth of Goblins. The cantrips and combat tricks are just going to net you a shitload of cards, and that's not useful when you can't attack. You'd also run out of mana before you could dump your hand.

>>53547934
If you post a tappedout link then people might help you if they feel like it.

>>53547936
>slate of ancestry
thats actually cool, since i could play creatures from my graveyard with my commander
>mind's eye, staff of nin
also solid, i'll probably buy those too so i have options

>>53546792
>>53547340

my problem is I go all in on my commander's effect, I'm seriously lacking creatures. I'm thinkin go pillow fort as hard as I can do some sac outlets to sac gonti lots of reanimation. Feel the deck would do better around stronger decks as I'm ripping better stuff.

>>53547995
null brooch is also pretty neat if you're gonna be running out of cards all the time. since you're pulling most of your rebels from your deck and your hand is less important, having the ability to counter like a wrath or something in your back pocket is really handy.

>>53548004
make sure you've got plenty of artifact ramp too. gonti makes your than dynamos and what have you so much better.

>>53548017
wow that card seems great, i'd just be very worried in my playgroup that an artifact that powerful would never survive. a couple people have been bad touched by artifacts and bring lots of hate

I was about to ask if vizier of the menagerie was good but I don't want anyone to sperg at me

>>53548093
it's pretty good, i don't know why someone would sperg out about that. it's a bit worse than future sight but it's still really playable in any deck with a lot of creatures. someone like animar can happily run both.

>>53548093
It's good. Green loves creatures and it's one hell of a boon for any creature-based strategy

>>53548093
Seems good to me. I would only run it in creature rich decks though, or decks that manipulate the top of their library. If you are thinking about running it in 20 creature Damia, then don't. If you are thinking of running it in 40+ creature ezuri elfball, then do.

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Razia's Purification?

Bought an oona out of a case today, does anyone like to use her for anything other than infinite mana auto mill?

>>53548383
my playgroup would excommunicate me if i played that against them
>>53548461
you can do like a faerie tribal deck with some heavy control in there. it's pretty fun, i've tried it. oona also goes well with the eldrazi that pull stuff from exile like oblivion sower.

>>53548383
Not good enough. Your mld has to be better than bloodmoon, not worse .

>>53548512
6 mana is way too much for what it does in a cutthroat competitive meta but in a slower meta it's MLD attached to a wrath that beats indestructibility

Funny how the colors that are the worst at ramp and card draw have ways to stop others from ramping and drawing cards.

>>53546113
Last time I've managed to trigger gonti 7 times on turn 9 and got complete crap cards. From 1cmc cantrips to just 4 lands to choose from, all the while sitting on top of 20 mana

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>>53548383
YES DO IT

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>>53547934
I'm waiting...

>>53548827
post 'em fella

>>53548644
Unfortunately they get to choose so its just a worse tragic arrogance. Nobody is sacing an ulamog to this wipe

I need help anons.

I'm looking for a comic about a black man buying MTG cards to be a wizard (n shit).

I figured this would be the best place to ask.

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>>53548735

what about opponent deck manipulation? maybe run a lantern mill package and this shit.

>>53548856
i'd take a hit to my tragic arrogance if it hit every single permanent. people in my meta tend to go wide.

>>53546755
List?

>>53547934
Who you runnin

>>53548874
In my playgroup people use tokens to go wide with a core unkillable as the general to lead those mooks to victory. Neither of these opponent pick wipes do anything to that except make it stronger in certain scenarios. Youre better off with that mass exile from kamigawa or the delerium version if you wanna fuck up somebody using indestructible and jokulhaups is always better because you can build around jokulhaups

>>53549057
yeah, that's true. that being said, i just really enjoy a card that hits permanents indiscriminately. sure, the superfriends player is gonna keep his 3 best 'walkers, but he's gonna lose all of his lands in the process. meanwhile, the artifact player has to make a tough choice between keeping his colorless mana rocks and being able to recast his general after he sacrifices him. it's not "good" per se, but making my opponents make tough choices is one of the things i love about this game.

>>53549175
Thats fair, you gotta make them sweat somehow. Personally my favorite boros boardwipe is archangel avacyn, the shenanigans the bitch can cause are gross and nothing beats a one sided boardwipe.

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Do you play him in anything?

>>53549464
He is a staple in monoblack lists. If you are in other colors there are usually better options.

>>53549496
I'm looking at him for B/W. Good colors for reanimation or getting enchantments, but not so much for getting back spells or walkers.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-06-17-teysa-orzhov-scion/

Looking for suggestions as to what to cut and answers to a few questions?
Do I have too many lands/mana rocks?
Is the average CMC of 3 good or should it be lower?
Which cards are the worst in the deck and should be the first go tos for cuts?
I have an idea of what I would add, Imperial Seal, Vampiric Tutor, Dark Confidant, and Cabal Coffers but I only have one card I know is jank and thats Belfry Spirits since im not usually able to get its Haunt ability off.

>>53549464
I only run decks with Green, so no.

>>53549518
I would rather run Obzedats Aid, unless you really have some black instants and sorceries you need to recur.

>>53549696
Just play Yawgmoths Will

>>53547069
Blue deserves nothing

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>>53549464
>>53549750
I ended up buying both.
What is wrong with me

>>53549933
you lust for power

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Post your favorite LOOKING commander!

By aesthetics / lore / flavor alone

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>>53550140
can't go wrong with Kamigawa's art

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>>53550140

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>>53550223
Shimatsu also looks rad as fuck

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>>53550240
Well that was a shit image.

>>53550247
>>53550140

Tfw I have a foil yukora and shimatsu

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>>53550140

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>>53550140

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>>53550140
Fuckin' Kamigawa and its out of control aesthetics

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>>53550381
>So the cycle begins anew.
Second favorite flavor text.

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>>53550442
Please

>>53550465
For a second I was worried I'd grabbed that one by mistake.

>>53550465
no u
the original Obliterate has one of the most badass flavor texts in the game

>>53550465
A weak joke like that looks like absolute shit next to the gravitas of >>53550442

>>53549607
Anyone please?+

>>53550381
Kamigawa had such great flavor and flavor text. It and Time Spiral are the pinnacles of flavor.

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>>53550140
Not good, but always loved her art. Can't seem to find a decent sized art-only image.

>>53550786
>Not good
Animating people's lands in response to wraths feels amazing. You should try it sometime.

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>>53549326
>not Avacyn, Angel of Hope
>makes ALL your boardwipes one sided

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>>53550140
Nin has big boobs.

>>53550958
>he hasnt put splintertwin and basilisk collar on avacyn before she flipped

>>53551671
Go ahead and tell me what you think that basilisk collar will do.

>>53551778
Deathtouch kills all enemy dudes on flip, lifelink gives you absurd amounts of health, and the splinter twin lets you keep all your dudes.

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>>53550140
Gotta build a deck with him someday

>>53550340
My person of color

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>>53550140

>>53544807
Fetchlands, exploration, solemn sim, burgeoning and similar stuff.

>>53551935
But there won't be a basilisk collar on flipped avacyn

What's your favorite draw spell? Does anyone use >>53538765 and in what deck?

>>53552539
Wrong, transforming doesnt automatically exile the creature unless stated otherwise. Only the origins flipwalkers exile and return transformed because they need to enter the battlefield to gain loyalty counters.

>>53552539
It doesn't get unattached. Normal flip creatures never leave the battlefield.

>>53550823
It's cute, yes, but I rather do that with Kamahl.

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>>53552555
My favorite draw spell is Rishkar's Expertise, but I guess you don't mean something like that. I guess Recurring Insight or Sphinx's Rev if you're in white also. And while not technically draw, Manifold Insights has thoroughly impressed me.

Are there black cards that qualify as hatebears? Especially interested in asymmetric hate

>>53552911
Blood Artist, Vampire Nighthawk

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>>53552911
That's the first one that popped to mind.

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>>53552911
Mostly grave hate.

>>53552911
Horobi isn't asymmetric, but he's a pretty strong hate.

>>53551398
>subtle boob stretch marks
I'm diamonds.

What does /tg/ think of Magic, The Ameturing?

>>53538507
its going to go up, grab them now

>>53553568
>>53553568
>>53553568

New thread for you fucks to ruin.