Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for slaanesh and always striking first.

>>53536273
Any plot advancement in the in the new leak?

Shit thread, OP is a fag

>>53536304
You mean all the indexes?
No it's less than a page of fluff per Faction.

Sadly factions who didn't have centurion before from what I can tell still don't but I'm at work and haven't studied them that well.

Other than that things changed Stat wise for a little of units.

Who are the idiots that said conscriptd were gone? Fuck you, i saw the point chart, theyre still there
Fucking doomsaying shitposting cunts

>>53536375
What's gone seems to be gone is gaurd blobbing up into 1 unit.

Which may not be needed anymore anyway.

Do we have a working link for the index leak?

I wanna check some hot eldar shit out

>http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Harbingers
>Imperial Harbingers
>Homeworld: Birmingham (The Black Planet)

remember when gw was fun?

>>53536466
It was working an hour ago?

Pask info? I assume his massive cost exists because he comes with the tank that you have to buy anyway

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>>53536653

>>53536249
Where is the last thread?

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Random question I just thought off.

IF suddenly, GW announced extensive new fluff for a primarch or a chapter, wich one would it be, or wich one would /tg/ like it to be?

I heard that Mortarion fluff is coming, and Im exited by it. I also would like new fluff on imperial and crimson fists.

So have things finally calmed down? Or are all the faggots still on suicidea watch like they were when I went to sleep?

Waht army is most powerful now

>>53536900
No. People are still pretty upset

>>53536921
probably a gun that you'll use to off yourself

>>53536824
I don't play WH, but I know it's memes. Is Creed still a meme?

>>53536900
no, but now that almost every rule have leaked we can see that EVERY faction except Nids seem to believe they were nerfed, which is hilarious

>>53536921
no one knows, nobody played the game yet

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>>53536249
It's pretty hard to Duncan, I know. But you could have tried to fix it.

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>>53536273
Praise be the God of Excess and Overindulgence

>>53537069
RescueatBaal.jpg

>>53536249
>Another thread not linking leaks
Link the leaks
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

>>53536892
Knowing GW they'll fuck everything up and say that Leman Russ finds Rogal Dorn in the Warp trying to find an honorable death for failing the Emperor (even though he already atoned with the Iron Cage), instead of stating that Dorn has been issuing commands to the Custodes and no one was aware of it because no one bothered to check.

Then Guilliman and Dorn have to have a coming to God-Emperor moment because Guilliman is literally trying to replace the God-Emperor's office and Dorn is tired of his bullshit.

So i haven't looked too closely at the ally rules, how well do Inquisition and Deathwatch seem to mix?

>>53536892

Life will return to that Blood Angel dude

>>53536900
I have yet to control all the point costs for all the unit, what with having to actually check which weapons they have and add the cost, but as a SW player I feel pretty satisfied
They have taken away some speed and power from the TWC but they have gained 3 additional S5 AP-1 attacks each, the Claw units are now really cool if they're with the WG, the Lone Wolf 5 time out of 6 will not lose his last wound against not-mortal wound sources and even in that case it's still a 4+, Murderfang is extremely brutal against heavy elites/monsters, Arjac is awesome...

Yeah, it seems all pretty cool

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>>53536892
They might make Guilliman kill Mortarion for real to make him gain face.
Guilliman simply cannot lose and is now Garvien Loken-tier, it'll be another Tyranids over Macragge. Lots of fighting, but in the end allies arrive because the Ultramarines are still a legion and like half of all the Imperial space marines, and you cannot defeat that many so Guilliman wins "proving himself once again the master of the all the myriad disciplines of war"™ and pulls through the day "with heavy casualties"®.
Which is shit, but that's GW's boy Guilliman.
Oh, they might make planet Konor explode or something, like how Tyranids ate Prandium or how Word Bearers ruined Calth's surface. You have to kill the obligatory named planet of the 500 (0.2%) to make it seem like the loyalists came out sufficiently wounded.

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>>53537167
Spheesh jesus

>>53537130
>Then Guilliman and Dorn have to have a coming to God-Emperor moment because Guilliman is literally trying to replace the God-Emperor's office and Dorn is tired of his bullshit.

Dorn will spend a week in THE PAIN GLOVE then grudgingly give Guilliman's book a 3/5 review

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Soon

>>53537190
I thought Horus killed Sanguinius so hard his children are still sore to this day. How can you revive someone killed like that, GW?

>tau nerfed into the ground
>eldar only nerfed into upper mid tier

All is as it should be

>>53536304
Black Templars are back to thousands of marines

>>53537214

Space magic. Horus will return as well of course. And Emps will stand up.

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>>53537179
Im gonna get salty if that happens. I love mort.

So i was looking and i didn't notice any special flyer rules.. for the Fly keyword. Am I missing something or can they just be assaulted now and shot with no penalty ?

>>53537198
I like memes and everything, but I am personally getting really sick and tired of Guilliman being "God-Emperor without psyker powers".
>oh no what has the Imperium become!
>better strong-arm everyone to do my bidding! I know exactly what Father wants, even though I wasn't there and called my brother a fucking traitor for arguing with me!
Pull Guilliman's life support. I'm tired of him.

>>53537212

KEK.

Only in your wet dreams midget

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Slaanesh update when?
preferably not trannies this time

>>53537276
I mean, space Caesar might just get caesared

>>53537322
>Calgar caesars Caesar
>gets executed
>Cato Sicarius becomes spiritual liege
FUND IT

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/31/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-necrons/

>>53537179

Its a so bad and shitty development that might GW can make it exactly like you write

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>>53537302
Can we have Slan instead?

>KINDLY NO GATHERING STORM/8TH EDITION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE JUST HERE TO TROLL OR SHILL. FOR ALL INTENTS THEY AREN'T THE SAME UNIVERSE.

I hope this is just making fun of the AoS/WHFB threads that do this, because you're retarded if you actually believe it.

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>>53537302
But anon, I've been told Slaanesh daemons are all about having multiple tits. That's the really important thing, nothing else!

>>53537370

Of course it's a joke you mong.

>>53537379
NO TRANNIES ANON, PLS

>>53537356
Would Zodd be Khorne or Slaanesh?

>>53537402
You can never be too sure. The coming of the new edition has all the shitposting morons crawling out to meme about everything.

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>>53537405
EXTRA TRANNIES

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>>53537405
Well, you can do something else too...

Have there been any Tyranid leaks at all? All I've seen is the Swarmlord's stats

>>53537442
>>53537430
S-Stop making me question my sexuality god damn

>>53537370
You'll thank us for it.

t. /whfg/

Now, onto business. We need a 9th Age for 40k as it has been Shillmar'd. Let's call it, for argument's sake, 8th Expansion. What edition do we base it on to keep actual 40k alive?

>>53537454
We have the stats and rules of everything

>>53537442
>metallic shading on the areolas
wtf i love gw now

So what, am I able to add a Boss Nob or a Wolf Guard Pack Leader for free even in matched play?

>>53537458
Someone other than WHFB's 8th edition. Why'd you guys make that a base?

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What will be available for free at the launch of 8th? I'm looking to get by with the minimum rules purchases for now

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>>53537457
No. Hail the Child of Slaanesh

>>53536249
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

for those who haven't seen it

>>53537470
That's unpainted resin though.

>>53537462
Where? I've seen one leak that was supposed to have everything but it's so blurry you can't read a single line of anything

>>53537534

>>53537511

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>>53536249
For the Queen of Imperium!

>>53537505
Seriously though, I hope future Slaanesh releases aren't more sex stuff

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>>53536249
>Tervigons still spawn gaunts, but now without a roll of the dice
>they did away with 30 gaunts for 1 tervigon troop choice

My 3 tervigons just got beefed out

Guys, I got my Chaos Index and the World Eaters are printed twice, along with the Thousand Sons. This means I don't have access to the Death Guard or Emp Children bits. Guess what I actually play?

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>>53537049
Creed will ALWAYS be a meme!

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>>53537263

Here's whats under the Valkyrie, I'm assuming all the flyers have similar rules

>>53537546
Oh boy, I do need that DEldar pic in the bottom left in some higher resolution!

>>53537558
don't you have to pay for the gaunts in advance like with summoning?

>>53536824
I will never understand the logic behind putting the points costs on a different page.

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>>53537179
Guilliman will banish Morty but only kill Fulgrim for real because of 9000 years long grudge and Ynnead.

>>53537511
>>53537544
Yup, can't read a single line of Xenos 2.

RIP dreadnought drop pods, you will be missed

>>53537587
>logic
Well there's your first mistake.

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Grotsnikk is finally a Deathskull edition.

I badly wanna see Snikkrot, Zagstrukk and Wazdakka. are they leaked yet?

>>53537583
Only if they are creating a new unit, they can replaced dead gants without additional points

>>53537263
It interacts with other rules like falling back. It allows you to charge flying vehicles, it allows you to fall back and shoot in the same turn, etc...

>>53537587
Because someone at Britland thought it was a good idea to put everything to the backpage, so you have to go through the book multiple times to look for all points, instead of just looking for the unit and having everything there at once.

>>53537133
Bascially not at all. Inquisition is their own thing that shows up and goes to town on their chosen quarry, while Deathwatch remain generalists.

I've looked and can't find it; can you not fire out of transports now, or am I blind?

>>53537583
Didn't see anything saying so, but the replacing dead gaunts is still good

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Let's get degenerate in here

Is there any reason to use an GK purifier squad over a strike squad? They:

- cost 7 pts/model more than strike squad dudes
- have exact same gear
- have a (pretty strong but) really short range smite alternative
- don't have teleport strike

they also aren't troops but I'm not sure how much that affects stuff.

>>53537648
Brotherhood Captains extend the range and they can still get more special weapons than the strike squad.

I'm a fan of 1 squad of melee shit, 1 squad of 4 incinerators, in a rhino together thanks to Combat Squads. It's served me well through several editions.

>>53537608
>Wazdakka
I think it's not in the new book, and will never come back unless they make a new Wazdakka model (since nowadays the rule is "If it haves no model, it's not playable")

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>>53537646
Bueno

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What do I use to fill out the last 50 points of this? I'm at a loss.

++ Battalion Detachment ++
Catacomb Command Barge: 169
- Warscythe
- Gauss Cannon
Cryptek: 114
10 Warriors: 120
Ghost Ark: 170
10 Warriors: 120
Ghost Ark: 170
20 Warriors: 240
10 Flayed Ones: 210
- Flayer Claws
Triarch Stalker: 181
- Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon
Annihilation Barge: 153
- Gauss Cannon
Annihilation Barge: 153
- Gauss Cannon

1800

Kinda sad about my TS/Tzeentch guys getting a bit of the short end of the stick. How are my other space egyptian skeleton robot boys the ones that I like more at that shaping up to be? Do we have leaks on them?

Has they're been anything about firing arcs for vehicles, or any sort of different bonus for hitting vehicles on the side or in the rear?
Or are they embracing "we monsters now" so hard that they've dropped that sort of thing entirely?

>>53537722
Some gear on your Cryptek, or more warriors. Or wraiths maybe.

>>53537691

iirc you can have multiple units in 1 transport in 8th, so you can have a strike squad and purgation squad fulfill the same role. It just seems that the 7 points more is too much for what they offer.

>>53537728
We have leaks on literally everything.
http://imgur.com/a/F1RkD

>>53537733
Armour facing is kill.

>>53537715
Anon don't be lewd now.

>>53537733
Stupid autocorrect.

>>53537700
Shit, i forgot about that

Oh well anyone have the Boss on Biker? maybe you can make your own Wazdakka

>>53537743
40k is dead to me.

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>>53537743
>Armour facing is kill.
That was one of the best parts of the game

>>53537571
>>53537613
Thanks guys!

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>>53537743
Oh shoot, must've missed it. Thank you anon.

>every psychic discipline is 3 powers
>Thousand sons don't get Tzeentch powers

>>53537742
Fair point. I really don't know, but I'd think to consolidate into a single slot.

>>53537737
Wraiths are still min 3, so minimum cost in the triple digits. Warriors need to fit int he arks, or are maxed out already. Cryptek's a good idea, though.

>>53537780
>>53537769
If you don't want your armies, I'll gladly take them off your hands so you don't have to remember the death of your favourite game.

If I'm going to be playing Primaris or Death Guard, should I even get the Indexes? I mean, the rules for all the new models is included with the starter, and I imagine they'll be the first to get real codexes, considering all the new models they'll be getting that aren't in the indexes. (Morty, the Redemptor Dread, that new tank, etc.)

>>53537815
The indexes are also included in the starter.

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>>53537558
>make squad of 30 termagants
>front row of 15 devourers, back with fleshborers
>always distribute the damage on the fleshborers
>refuel wounds next turn
>also have that sweet reroll 1 to hit and wound

I still don't know what to do with the crone though, the harpy seems better in e every way and roll

>>53537825
Don't talk to me or my tyrannic spawn ever again

I'm an idiot and don't understand how the damage stat of weapons works
Can someone explain to me with simple examples how many wounds a weapon with Heavy D3 Strength 5 AP-1 and Damage D6 could inflict against either a single big target or a squad of squishy targets?

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>>53537867
>>53537825

>stormtroopers only 9 points
Well shit

>>53537877
For your theoretical weapon:

When you decide what unit you're shooting at, you roll a d3. That's how many shots you get.

You roll to hit and to wound as normal, bearing the new wound chart in mind.

It makes its save, at -1 to its armour save.

If it fails, one model in the unit per unsaved wound takes d6 damage.

>>53537810
Metal Necrons
2e Cadians
Valhallans
Vostroyans
RT Marines
Modern marines
Sisters of Battle
Grey Knights
Arbites
CSMs
Dark Eldar
Elder
Orks
Inquisition
30k Night Lords
Daemons
Armorcast Reaver & 2 Warhounds
Random Necromunda gangers, Confrontation minis, RT adventurers, and Gorkamorka models.

How much you got?

>>53537922
Enough for the Vostroyans at least, and probably some metal Wraiths if you're willing to split 'em.

So. Now we've got all the rules, it's time to answer the really, REALLY important question:

How good are Nobz In A 'Naut in 8th edition?

>Gauss flayers used to take 27 shots to kill a Rhino
>Now takes 90

Th-thanks for the "balancing" GW. Seems pretty fair.

>>53537922

What would you want for exorcists and penitant engines if you have them?

Can two squads of 5 hide out of line of site form anything in front of the baneblade by being behind it?

>>53537953

Fuck off. Go grab some special weapons like the rest of us.

> Anon starts bitching
> Someone calls him out on it
> Suddenly we're Bartertown

Okay. I like this response.

>>53537769
Good, fuck off

Im praying when codexs release that they will add new rules for everything

>>53537992
But who runs Bartertown?

>>53537952

We don't fucking know. No one has played. Go ahead and math hammer it to hell if you want though.

>>53537953
> Giving a shit about rhinos
Let them move how they want. We'll just kick the shit out of whatever gets out of them.

>>53537953

And? That's part of the major changes of the edition, tanks are pretty damn tough. I mean, it takes multiple Meltagun shots to put a Rhino down.

>>53537953
We know a rhino's stats?

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>>53537935
>metal wraiths
You underestimate how "get off my lawn" tier my crons are.

But seriously, I've already sold of most of what I'm willing to part with. I'll likely it's box all this up and let 'em sit in the attic with the hope next edition will be better.

https://mega.nz/#F!J5lBiY7L!xdu4vTwbDakoCD6BsnH7sA

converted them into PDFs and uploaded them on Mega. Enjoy!

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>>53538002

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>>53537988
>Necrons
>special weapons
Get out

>local store confirmed the price in Australia is $220

I guess I don't really need chadmarines that bad...

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Okay I've been reading the rules, and I'm confused about the Keywords and detachments. It was implied earlier that if you mixed units with the keyword Imperium, that you would not get access to some "special" CP stuff, but I can't find where in the book it says anything like that. And is there any reason I can't just use a ton of different detachments to make up an Imperium consisting of everything from Admech to Space Marines to SoB to Guard ?

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>>53538030
We know literally everything's stats.

>>53538049
> Not giving your necrons special weapons to take down heavier targets

I can understand most stuff in 8th edition. But I also dont understand shit about keywords

The Indexes suck, but at least we'll have complete rules for Forgeworld stuff. Right? Right?

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>>53538058
They aren't released yet; nothing stops you from making Imperial Soup right now.

>>53538049

>>53538037

So that's a no on the exorcists and penitant engines then?

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>>53538039
You're doing the emperors work anon

>>53537877
>shoot against guardsmen blob
>roll d3 for shots, roll a 3
>roll the 3 dice to hit (lets assume your BS is 4+) and hit with 2
>roll to wound, s5 vs t3 is a successful roll on a 3+ (since your strength is higher but not twice its toughness), both wound
>the guard player fails the armour save rolls
>2 guardsmen receive d3 damage; regardless of how much you roll though, guardsmen only need 1 damage to die, so even if you roll 6 with both only 2 die

>same happens against a group of tyranid warriors, with each of them having 3 wounds
>roll the dice for damage, if you obtain 3 damage on the first you kill the warrior and resolve the next roll against the other
>if you roll only 1 or 2 damage, the warrior is still alive and will be assigned the next shot too, meaning that even if you overkill it with 3 damage (inflicting a total of 4 or 5 damage), only this warrior die and the excess wounds get lost

>finally shoot against a big monster
>2 wounds pass, roll for damage
>it receives all the damage you roll

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What do Daemonettes do in their down time?

>>53537953
Who cares now our massed infantry guns force marines to take 4+ saves

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Does anybody have "Devastation of Baal" book?

>>53538093
They aren't in the BRB at all?

>>53538078
Keywords are just things that abilities check for. Some of them, like Fly, have mechanical effect. Most of them do not.

A SoB canoness gives buffs to her order within range. You pick what order you're from at the start of the game. She doesn't affect anything without her Order.

In time, we'll get codices that give reasons to stick within a certain keyword. Your army will have buffs if you limit yourself so everything has multiple keywords. For now, they all just have to share one - making the aforementioned Imperial Soup happen.

>>53538103
I don't actually have any penitant engines since I never really liked the model, but that is a no.

>>53538049
Aww, my boots man! I was still paying for those things!

>>53537505
Is that a boy or a girl?

>>53538112
post on /d/

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>>53538126
Neither is Marbo.

>>53538112
each other

>>53538117

But none of it matters if you can't win the game of rhinos.

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>>53538037
>all those oldcrons

muh diiiick

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>>53538058
Imperial Hat!
Parchment face!

>>53538107
thanks, now if someone would just upload the shattered legions and garro audiobooks id be happy

>>53538037
Happen to have any old destroyers?

>>53538128
Right but so far it seems like you can kinda mix and match detachments as much as you please? (Or can we mix inside detachments too?)

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Quick Question regarding points values lads.

I'm looking at the Indexes and the points per unit value obviously says "not including Wargear". But as i look on the Unit profile it states "unit is armed with x"

Example, A Howling Banshee is armed with a shuriken pistol and a power sword.

Banshee is 12 points. Does this include the cost of the power sword? (if not they are 4 pts each, pistols are 0)

Also do you think the games will average at 1850 again?

>>53537953
>wow what do you mean we cant kill vehicles on a 6 anymore

>>53537952
>How good are Nobz In A 'Naut in 8th edition?
The 'naut reaches melee without getting blasted
The nobz can get out, combi scorcha some assholes and still charge
So notagrot/10

>>53538192
As long as everything shares at least one Faction Keyword, you can mix and match as much as you'd please. This includes inside detachments.

>>53538196
cost is bare, so you add on the weapons (which is why some are 0 points)

>>53538196

I doesn't include the power sword price, so a Banshee is 16pts.

>>53537442
What's this?

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>>53538070
>>53538093
REEEEEE HERETEKS

>>53538201
>wow what do you mean we cant kill vehicles anymore

Did we got any Chaos Daemons leaks?

>>53538257
https://mega.nz/#F!J5lBiY7L!xdu4vTwbDakoCD6BsnH7sA see Chaos.pdf

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>>53538217
This is going to be fun :3 I'm going to gin up an Imperial Soup with the models I have, and seen if it will generate salt. Can't have soup without salt.

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>>53538221
>>53538223

Thanks lads!

>>53537103
Maybe the thread didn't link the leaks because it's for 40k, not 8e

> Terminators don't have Relentless anymore

Well, shit.

>>53536249
>KINDLY NO GATHERING STORM/8TH EDITION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE JUST HERE TO TROLL OR SHILL. FOR ALL INTENTS THEY AREN'T THE SAME UNIVERSE.
Who the fuck is this autist?

Anyone got an imgur link to Chaos rules or something? MEGA link won't work for my friend and he wants to see how his raptors and warp talons are turning out.

>>53536900
>/tg/
>ever not on suicide watch

>>53538165
Kinky
Do you think they have harems

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What's the difference between thin and thinn?

>>53537571
The valkyrie's hellstrike missiles aren't one-use-only, am i the only one seeing this?

>>53538245
>wow what do you mean vehicles tank hits like a mad cunt and cost a shitton
Seriously though im glad there will be less vehicle spam

Okay, just to check I am not crazy:

Since models can now shoot all their weapons, does that mean models with Bolt Pistol and Boltgun can also fire both? So you essentially get 3 bolt shots at 12" (2x Boltgun, 1x Bolt pistol)?

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>>53538298

>>53538286
It's a reference to the bullshit that happened during Fantasy's transition to AoS.

>>53538287
http://imgur.com/a/o3qv8

>>53538183
Not as many as I would like.

>>53538298
Thin is just watered out a tiny bit so it flows off the brush. Thinn is glaze consistency.

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>>53538287
Raptor

>>53538321
It specifically says in the shooting rules that you have to choose between using all your non-pistol guns or all your pistol guns

>>53538265
Thank you kind anon, Papa Nurgle is pleased.

>>53538324
>>53538346
Thanks anon!

>>53538298

T H I N N

>>53537179
And yet everyone cried literal oceans of tears when archaeon destroyed the old world and chaos won fantasy. So feel free to fuck right off with your I'll never be happy about anythng faggot bullshit

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>>53536273

>>53538324
Oh, so he's being ironic cause WHFBG is still salty. Got it. Scared me for a second, thought that cancer had spread

>>53538350
Ahhhh, there is my derp. Thanks.

>>53538373
Youre the tranny aren't you

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Flamers best AA weapons

>>53538313
Is that a joke? Razorbacks are T7 W10 3+ with 12 S6AP-1 shots for 100 points. Mass vehicles are going to be on every fucking table forever.

>>53538379
Oh but it has spread. The doomsayers are in full force.

>>53538404
wait flamers hit flyers and theres only a -1 penalty? fuck me, flyers wrecked my shit in 6/7th

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>>53538402
yes and its awesome
Just like slaanesh

>>53538402

Only tranny I know plays death guard actually, they felt like playing Slaanesh would just feed into a negative stereotype and they didn't want people to think of them like that. He/she/it weirds me the fuck out, but they're pretty decent people. I've split a few box deals with em.

>>53538404
60" move should let flyers ensure they don't have to stop anywhere near a mass of flamers though

>>53537780
Armour facing was pretty retarded actually, considering that's not how real tanks work at all.

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>>53538459
>/d/ crossposting

>>53537130
>even though he already atoned with the Iron Cage
Huh? How was getting btfo by Pert a form a atonement?

>>53538459
>150% chart
why

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>>53538402

no

though i'm 99% sure Michael Portillo is slaaneshi

>>53538477
I still feel like you should get a buff for being, behind a tank

Do Ork Clans not have actual rules?

Do SM chapter tactics exists?

>>53538404
wtf is this?

>>53538112
Chill with nurglings and bully bloodletters

>>53538459
Lemme have an IM cus I wanna erp me stuffing you like we talked about earlier

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>>53538524
wrong anon, anon

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>>53536249
So now with the stats out, is there any reason to take Breachers over Destroyers? I feel like Breachers might actually have a use, as Anti-Vehicle. But fucking Destroyers and their Grav/Plas weapons are really fucking good, as always.

Breachers aren't terrible when thrown into assault though, as they have 2 attacks, and a +3.

Thoughts?

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OK LADS

Rate my list:


Vanguard Detatchment (+1CP)

HQ - Jain Zar 146pts

Elites - 10 Banshees inc. Exarch w/Executioner 172pts


Elites - 10 Banshees inc. Exarch w/Executioner 172pts

Elites - 6 Fire Dragons inc. Exarch w/Fire Pike 144pts
Batallion Detatchment (+3CP)

HQ - Avatar of Khaine 250pts

HQ - Farseer w/ Singing Spear 120pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts

Troops - 10 Eldar Guardians w/Shuriken Cannon 97pts

Heavy Support 3 Walkers w/2x Scatter Lasers 273

Fast Attack 3 Vypers w/Bright Lances and Twin Shuriken Catapults 283

>>53538504
Tanks can block line of sight, consider them moving cover that can shoot

>>53538544
Weren't you the one who said you wanted me to stuff you with lots of food a couple threads ago?[/spoiler

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>>53537212
Literally never

>>53538544
2, 1, 4, 3

>>53537634
Well that's disappointing. After the chamber militant thing in the imperial agents codex i was hoping for some decent crossover

>>53538547

Considering the shenanigans certain factions will have access to to potentially get them into melwe in turns 1 to 2, it might be prudent to have some meat shields, but im thinking bubble wrap electro priests. I can't believe I'm actually considering buying this little shits...

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>tfw Nob WAAAGH!!! banners stack
>can make all of my ork units (including deff dreads) in a 6" aoe auto-hit in melee for 150 points
>makes most ork vehicles hit on a 2+
is it worth it?

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>>53538557
No I meant if you are shooting a tank from behind, into its rear

>>53538495
He went into the Iron Cage not wanting to win. He didn't plan, he didn't make formation, he and his soldiers wanted to die as a Legion because they blamed themselves for their Father's death and didn't want to live in a world without him, or even worse betraying his vision.

It wasn't until Guilliman arrived, unwanted, that they realized that they weren't allowed to just give up. Reducing their number only meant reducing and diving the number of human soldiers left to fight Chaos and xenos, and they ultimately accepted their new role as carrying the burden of the God-Emperor's death.

Imperial Fists fight to the death not because a book tells them to, but because their honor compels them to. No matter how much they've lost, they aren't allowed to quit. It's why they have their Pain Glove, not out of a silly tradition like the Space Wolves or Salamanders, but because they can survive the worst pains that can be thrown at them. Physical, emotional, psychological, and spiritual pain is nothing to them at this point.

I just noticed that chapter masters are gone. Is that right or am I just blind?

>>53537458
>We need a 9th Age for 40k as it has been Shillmar'd.
Not happening. 8th edition is nowhere even remotely near as divisive to the fanbase as AoS was, you'll never find enough butthurt grogs to get an alternate 40k off the ground.

>>53538605
Wait, what? That can't possibly be true.

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>DG get their own psychic table
>TS don't
I hope you guys have happy fun times with your unique, fun psychic abilities, Nurgle players.

>>53537952
The nauts are a bit more impressive, with a little more speed and a slight increase in durability, plus an attack option for dealing with infantry in close combat (12 S 8 attacks with AP -2).

Nobs are much as they were, except big choppas are slightly better and kombi weapons cost a fortune.

You can assault after you disembark now, but you have to get out at the start of the movement phase which is problematic. Still, with good positioning and a little luck you should be able to get stuck in without a turn of being shot up now which is better.

The combination has potential to do a lot of damage, but it's still a huge investment of points into a relatively slow and inefficient couple of units.

>>53537587
It's so they can release points cost updates without having to update the entire book

>>53538588
So the (1) in that case is a plasma pistol converted into a guardsman plasmagun using the back half of a lasgun.
The image is to demonstrate how similar it looks to other plasma guns that aren't conversions.

>>53538555
FOOLISH ASTARTES!

>>53537587
Because I know what all my units do after reading it once or twice and now I can just flip to the points page and buy all at once.

It's easier IMO.

First for Eldar don't have holofields anymore.

>>53538510
Actual fluffy rules are purportedly coming with the legit codices, and these main rules are supposed to be hold-overs until then.

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>>53538652
No astartes here laddo

Just QT Banshees desu

So the manticore is pretty dam good.

2D6 S10 AP-2 D3 Damage

Point and click remove button.

I know what I'll be using more of.

>>53538605
1's always fail regardless of modifiers, you cannot auto-hit

Also you're probably reading the wording wrong if you think they stack anyways

>>53537634
So inquisitors and Acolytes (who now have 3 wounds) both get the quarry bonus, and both units can enter ANY imperium vehicle - every transport available to the imperium

>>53538614
The back of the tank is just as tough as the front tho, that black cage is for carrying shit

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>>53538555
>HQ - Avatar of Khaine 250pts
>Avatar of jobbing
Is he actually good? The FW one looks neat, I'd paint that even if I don't play Eldar.

>>53538630
sauce?

>>53538693
And the Auxiliary choice lets you take any transport you'd like, yes. We've got Acolytes in Drop Pods now.

>>53538708
wait, are you sure?

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What do we think about the new avatar?

On one hand, he's slow and somewhat squishy

On the other hand, he hits like a truck and provides great support to assaulty armies

>>53538678
It was a "Foolish Samurai" reference to how the Avatar of Khaine and Aku have similar protusions from their heads.
Genius.

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>>53538629
>Waaagh! Banner: <CLAN> units within 6" of any friendly Waaagh! banners add 1 to their hit rolls in the Fight phase
looking at it again the wording seems much more ambiguous.
Any local rules lawyers wanna give a ruling as to whether or not they stack, because if they do we could have some real stronk bullshit on our hands.

So do we know all the rules surrounding the tags?
Subfaction tags are obviously for in-army buffs but what about stuff like Titanic or Daemon.

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>>53538722
Deffo FW

Partly because i really like the model, and partly because i have a GW one with all except the legs un assembled lmao

>>53538734
you don't need to take the auxiliary choice

>>53538555
>20 banshees

Think about this long and hard anon.

Keep in mind they're resin models that used to be metal, with all the implications that carries.

Do you have the patience to painstakingly repair approximately 3 million bubbles and practically sculpt half the models with all the casting pins?

I can't find any allied detachment rules besides "all your models must share a faction" in matched play. Anyone help me out?

I just want to field my gue'vesa auxillaries

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If that one tranny anon that was into gut stuffing and play is reading this thread, pls respond with your IM so we can chit Chat and because I'm a depraved pervert

*looks at leman Russ stats and cost*
*looks at wraithguard stats and cost*

Ah, so that's what they meant by 'balance'

Has anyone else noticed the Valkyrie is the best assault vehicle? You can disembark at any stage of its move, meaning no hanging around in front of enemy lines.

Shame the only assault units that can use it are ogryns and inquisitors.

>>53538740
Well it's got a 5++ rerollable which is nice and he gives himself the Khaine Awakened buff as well

Solid 7/10 still gets gunned down before he gets anywhere

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>>53538768
Yes. Yes i do.

>>53538776
There are none. Everything has to share a Faction keyword. That's it.

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Why does the design of this thing bother me so much?

>>53538776
this is what the auxiliary detachment is for I believe

>>53538776
They're gone, jim. If you want fluffy alliances play narrative games. Matched Play hath SLAIN the Waacfaggotry of Taudar w/ 1 Inquisitor w/ servo skulls and a Culexus.

The only army in the game that can ally with a force that doesn't share a keyword is Genestealer Cults with Guard because they have a special rule for it.

>>53538743
I say its pretty clear it doesn't stack
If a unit's within 6" of a Waagh banner, doesn't matter how many, it adds +1 to Fight hits

>>53538781
Keep that degenerate shit away from here

>>53538814
Because when you see it from above it looks like a fat man with a dangling gut or loaded diaper waddling on stick legs

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>>53538781
>>53538781
lad come on

>>53538814

For me it is because it looks like Belisarius Cawl phoned in the Design from the engineers over at House Kurita

http://mwo.gamepedia.com/Dragon_DRG-5N

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>>53538722
Both FW avatars look sick nasty to be honest

I'm going to buy one but I can't decide which

>>53538800
A bog stadard russ has gone up what, 12 points?
132 for russ 22 for battlecannon, 8 for heavybolter

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>>53537577
here , have a superior eldar by the same artist

>>53538814
I really like it, I think I prefer the 2 horus heresy ones but I like this design more then classic dreadnoughts.

>>53538776

I think you're stuck with narrative and open play for that unfortunately.

>>53538809
>>53538816
Whelp. Looks like I'm not playing until imperial armour gets updates then. I love the narrative play rules but I just know the spergs at my FLGS are going to go full "matched play only."

>>53538668
Cool, thanks!

>>53538737
I know that in ww2 Russians made their tanks front heavy so they could ram German tanks, but that's the only example I can think of tanks being tougher in the front. And the stock russia tanks were normal until they had extra shit welded to the front

>>53538743
>any friendly WAAAGH banners
It doesn't count how many, it's not a quantitative bonus, it definitely cannot stack. You're either in range of a banner(s) or not.

>>53538880
dont worry theyre out in july

>>53538814
Because you've decided youre going to hate it just because. When you hate something it really doesn't matter how it looks or what it does, the fact it exists will still trigger you

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>>53538863
I like the spear better than the sword, but the dynamic pose of this guy finally swayed me.

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AM I HIGH?

EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF TAU GETS NERFED AND ELDAR ARE STILL JUST AS GOOD, IF NOT BETTER?

>>53538743
>any
that would imply that it doesn't stack

>>53537500
the main rulebook will be free if i remember correctly

>>53538871
How can anyone possibly have taste this backwards

Boxnaught >>> nu Chodenaught >> dumpy potato-shaped Contemptor trash

>>53538891
GW promised rules for the models they produce. Your link is not a GW's product.

>>53538898
I thought that was just the first wave of imperial armour updates? i.e. not Taros Campaign

>>53538919
But why

>>53538859
I'm sorry, I'm beyond help

>>53536375
>>53536405
I kind of like it. Conscripts for blobs and infantry squads for taking charges, holding objectives and doing fire support.

>>53538928
Eldar points values have increased massively.

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>>53538726
Sorry man, can't help you there. I'm useless.

>>53538958
I dunno, maybe you hate change? Lots of people do, for whatever reason

>>53537646
If you're the belly anon from earlier, I came hard thinking about it.

>>53538947
Even Forge World models?
Yes, even all of your Warhammer 40,000 Forge World models

>>53538722
small note but the avatar of khaine does not get reduced stats when damanged, 5+ ignore wounds, s8 2+ hits -4 d6 damage roll 2 discard lowest

>>53538828
>>53538895
>>53538934
Thank you all.
Also I realized it was kind of irrelevant anyways since 1's are always failures no matter the modifiers.

Regardless, would at least one WAAAGH!! banner Nob be worth it?

>>53539009
Forge World will be releasing Forge World's updates; that's not in the GW box like the GW models are.

>>53538600
I fucking refuse to buy those Electro looking mother fuckers. Not even if they piss rainbows and mortal wounds. They look so dumb and goofy, and when coupled with their random inclusion into the Cult Mech, I am just angry with them. Baymax bot is life tho.

But still, Destroyers v. Breachers is what I'm trying to figure.

So how have deathwatch changed overall?

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>>53536249
I know there's been quite a bit of moaning about 8th, but how many of your are legitimately quitting the game? Why?

>>53539024
oh definitely
vendetta was the last remnant of non GW models being in the codex
i misinterpreted your post as you mememing that fw is not related to gw in any way

>>53539042
Look at the index for them.

If you can't see the differences, then they are irrelevant.

>>53539068
Yeah I'm looking through them now I can't really see that much of a change if I'm honest.

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The dakkajet gets less shots every time they update it

Also warbikes dont have exhaust cloud anymore

>>53536249
I've made a pdf for each book leaked. Where can i anonymnously uplaod it for you all?

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>mfw 8e as an eldar aspect warriors player

>>53538600
The thing about them is thanks to fixed Hit rolls, a blob of 20 WILL statistically do 8.89 wounds to anything without a MW defence, which isn't actually terrible for 320 points given that will also force 4ish saves. That's a dead Guilliman, and then you have an army of 3++ FnP dickheads, but they never actually fixed the problem with them, which is that they're going to be pinged down handily by pretty much anything and actually now have massive Ld problems because they aren't fearless.

>Tzeench Daemons: 13 units
>Khorne Daemons: 12 units
>Slaanesh Daemons: 12 units
>Nurgle Daemons: 7 units
Goddammit. With all the deathguard stuff I was hoping for a new Great Unclean One model at least, but now I've seen its stats I'm extremely doubtful. Oh well, time to branch out.

>>53539040
jesus fucking christ please leave

>>53538229
https://www.creaturecaster.com/products/spiderdemon

Holy crap this is a shitstorm of huge proportions. What the fuck is up with not being able to build an Inquisitorial henchmen squad? I have to run like 6 different kinds of units to make his bodyguard? That's pants on head retarded.

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Not had a chance to have a look yet, hows my boys the mechanicum doing?

>>53538802
He's a character and under 10 wounds. Big K gets to hide in a crowd of guardians.

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>>53538742
You think that because i play with toy soldiers that i watch children's cartoons? Heh, you're really somethin... kid.

Wondering how to do melee Guard for 8th. Power weapon sergeants seem decent. I feel like Priests won't stack, but if they do them I'll use multiples of them, but if not I'll use a Priest plus Straken and label everyone that I can Catachan. I have 8 Bullgryn so I'll use them too. Conscripts and commissars of course. Not sure what else though. Need ranged Support.

>>53538743
>Warbikes lost Twin Linked
WHAT THE FUCK

>>53539194
Good and bad. Lots of flavourful and good stuff got hit hard by the nerfhammer, but then you have stuff like Electro-priest being suddenly awesome.

All in all more of a nerf though.

>>53536405

It hurts orders, a lot.


Also did anyone else notice a heavy weapon team are 4pts? A three team squad with heavy bolters is only 30pts. You could have 5 times (15 heavy bolters) for 150pts and just shred orks and tyranids.

72pts if you want lascannons or missle launchers.

>>53539227
They still have 2 deffguns for 6 shots

At least complain about actual issues

>>53538379
To be fair, unlike 8e, AoS is completely different than Fantasy and there was a stretch when Fantasy General was besieged by anons who seemed to exist for the sole purpose in life of reminding them their beloved setting had been wiped off the map (before we found that Fantasy was to be maintained through other mediums).
I don't know why they thought such a message would help on 4chan though, instead of just attracting more trolls

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Anyone know how tervigons work in matched play? Do you need to set aside points for models you add to a unit or is it only if you're spawning a new unit?

Alright, so let's talk Daemons for a bit.
Nurgle seems like a beast in Melee, resilient and powerful if you use a Great Unclean One and a Herald to buff your dudes.
Plaguedrones are still a must as the only shooty thing in the army outside a GUO.

The problem is: Outside the drones, the army is slow as shit and has no vehicle options.

What would be good units to cover for this problem?

>>53539227
>es lost Twin Lin

but now shoot 6 times, and are allowed to 'run' and shoot

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>>53538999
Lewd

So how demons look like? Especially nurgle.

>>53539226
Power weapon sergeants are going to be worth taking now regardless what list you build. When one squad gets charged, being able to charge right back with a bunch of power weapon hits and maybe a commissar with a power fist will hurt a lot.

>>53539186
Because I'm here to have fun and I think we're alright. I think everyone's alright.

>>53536249
What's "fallen" in CSM codex 8e? I wanted to start collecting chaos this edition and this tells me nothing.

Wait, so in matched play my Deathwatch terminators are 32 points, plus the 20 points for a fucking powerfist?

Are gw insane?

>>53538928
Eldar costs generally went up, especially for vehicles. We also lost holofields and overall didn't change much else so we got a soft Nerf and if you look at our weapons we are in line with everyone else

Vauls Wrath Support batteries remain a surprisingly good outlair unit again.

>>53539286
you have to buy the termagaunts seperately

basically its a transport unit for termagaunts with infinite capacity but can only deploy 10 at a time.

>>53539194
Lost a lot of flavour - Sicarians lost almost all their movement and durability (literally just 2W Skitarii) and became basic melee infantry at a vastly lowered cost, grav is now S5 -3 Damage 1 (D3 vs 3/2+ saves) Heavy 5.

Doctrinas are gone, in exchange everything has low-level Canticles and HQs project reroll-hits auras. Vanguard remain superb, if slightly less so, plasma calivers are Assault 2 but cheaper, Arquebi are actually decent. Dunecrawlers are our goto heavy weapons now and pretty much our only reliable anti-heavy vehicle with Neutrons aside from loads of plasma.

Still decent, less fun. On the upside, we can actually experiment with builds now. I can see a 5-Dunecrawler Skitarii gunline with supporting Arquebi, some Dragoons and bunkered Kataphrons and Servitors working well.

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>>53539040
>>53538999
>>53538781

>>53538150
>fulgrim
i am pretty sure empra though girls have cooties when he was making his sons

>>53539307
Omg I had no idea power weapons were so cheap. They are definitely worth it at all times.

>>53539138
Nurgle is almost definitely getting a new GUO, just within the next couple of months, not immediately. Wait for the full Death Guard Codex to drop. They've still got some brand new units we haven't even seen yet that aren't in the starter.

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Could someone please post the maleceptors unique psychic power rules? I need to know how exactly it works.

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I really like how the reinforced ram doesnt do anything anymore

Thanks GW

>>53539365
nice 2000 point army you've got there

I think I might try Age of Sigmar.

>>53539365
They've robbed so much variation and fun

Its really heart breaking

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Just pulled these out of the box after I gave up on 7th ed. What should I look to get to get back into the game?

>>53539250
As long as i can still plasma spam with my vanguards im happy desu, although i saw a picture earlier in the thread and destroyers look pretty good still