Warhammer 40k general

SHITSTORM BEGIN.

First for swarms of carnifexes

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Here's some Eldar.

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Anyone got the DE melee wep point page?
I've nearly repointed my entire list for 8ed and would love to complete it this morning - that and i can share it with my fellow Archons

>>53530552
lame

>>53530552
>titanic feet

>>53530552
>eldar
No one cares, unless its nerfs

>>53530548
Who said anything about crying, I'm loving these Ork changes and nobody is going to convince me otherwise.

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>>53530552

>>53530552
DONT CARE POST GUARD.

>>53530555

Extrapolate this

>>53530499

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>>53530562

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>>53530562

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>Brother-Captain Stern still has his signature Strands of Fate special he's had since the 3rd edition GK codex

Why does this give me such a warm, fuzzy feeling ? Looking foward to fielding him again now that the interest in 40k has surged at the LGS

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>>53530569

>>53530562
>>53530572
We don't have the other page of points for Dark Eldar do we? We're missing melee and other wargear.

>>53530536
The first three points are right but Skitarii aren't really shooting better than ever with the removal of Doctrinas. I guess Canticles helps somewhat make up for it but I'm going to miss a whole army of BS 2+ with some units re-rolling 1's.

Cancer guns also got a bit worse since they used to be able to either spread the extra Wounds from the 6's across the unit or pile them into a big target, but now they can only do the second one, so they're not as good at clearing hordes.

Then again I guess everything is worse at clearing hordes in this edition.

>>53530572
was meant for >>53530555

I just need to know if I can put banshees in a raider in 8th edition for my new Ynnari army. On account of it looking badass. Rules wise I don't think it would make them much stronger, or faster

>>53530584
that doesnt have melee wepaons anon

so how are eldar
buffed? bad? nerfed?

>>53530579
not that I know of.

>>53530572
See
>>53530566

Based on what's missing, Husk blades are 10 and Agonizers are 4.

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These threads need something a bit lighter.

You can't -all- have been nerfed into the worst position.

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Anons I come from the future bearing news.

Ork Wierdboys Da Jumping squads of burnaboys across the table T1 is going to be the new hotness

>>53530579
I don't think so, or at least I have yet to see them.

>>53530592
take a look

>>53530584
thanks but i'm looking for the melee ones lol
i've got a list for ants, but that shit is hard to read

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>all those rulefag leaks
>no leaks for us lorebros

Rulefags are the worst! THE WORST!

>>53530586
you can only put incubi or drew careys in raiders

>>53530586
No more borrowing transports from allies. What units can embark on a transport vehicle is now listed in the vehicle's unit entry - and it is a VERY specified list.

>>53530588
sorry, it's 3:45 and I can't read anymore.

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BOYZ

Are Shokk-Attack Gunz Squatted?

I see no mention of them anywhere

>>53530606

Ffs

>>53530596

Brought over from Last thread

>>53530456

Seriously do you have a link to the sheets for all three of those units? Let's have a look see, and see what their Aura Ranges are. Like I said you can just bubble wrap the one mad flesh scientist in his Incubi but keep some of his flesh warped slaves within 6" or 8" or what ever his aura range is. And if one guy is in, the whole unit is.

Because I can't help but to think that things aren't that bad.

>>53530608
Lore isn't in the Indexs, just rules. Wait for the blog posts for your mary sue marines.

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I think this is my fist experience witnessesing spergelords spilling over from dakka/seer/BoLS because admins cant keep the floodgates shut

So far I'm not disappointed

>>53530615
Thanks
Will post soon

>>53530597
>these are the adoring 40k fans
I need a new hobby.

Sit tight guard tanks 20 minutes

>>53530583
I suspect that GW has realised there's more money in horde armies than in smaller elite forces.

t. Nid spinegaunt swarm player since 3rd/4th ed

>>53530613
I remember seeing rumored stats for it, but it didn't come from leaker-kun so I assumed it was unreliable and didn't save it.

Anyone have the sm leaks in a pdf?

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>>53530599
you stop that

>>53530624
>Go on dakkadakka
>That fucking 455 page thread

Holy shit I thought we were autistic.

>>53530616

Different guy. He's autistic.

Deldar are split into 3 keyword factions:
<Kabal>
<Cult>
<Coven>
Each of the faction keywords HQs have a 6" effect bubble that buffs squads with <Kabal/Cult/Coven>, and he's autistically screeching that their buff isn't cross faction.

>>53530599
but da jump says they have to be 9" away from enemy units and burnas have range 8"

>>53530630
I've been rused too many times by this meme.

>>53530610
yeah that's what I was getting from the dark eldar leaks. Was holding out that there might be some overriding bullshit in the ynnari rules. Dangit, I just wanted one bone-white raider with blood red sails full of banshees contrasting against the dark armour of my dark eldar.

>>53530643
we could easily have filled up that much text if we didn't let threads die and thank God we do

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So fuck dakkadakka I'm posting shit here.

I hope Guard poster anon follows suit.

Has there been any space wolves leaks? Haven't seen any as of late

Ad Mech confirmed for good and balanced tier

>Icarus Dunecrawler rape is go
>omnispex cover ignoring combined with snipers means fuck your characters
>Fucking everything has 6++ now
>breachers and destroyers gained a wound, continue to be awesome
>loss of Dunestrider and Skitarii protocols hurts like hell
>no transports, t3 and no Dunestrider means Admech close combat is fucking dead
>army wide canticles are okay, not great

>>53530644
You'd almost start to think that Dark Eldar factions don't trust eachother enough to work together super effectively ...

Which is a silly notion, ofcourse

>>53530632
>spinegaunt

Awwwww yea. Nah negro. My nids would be rocking spines, too. My fluff is heavy subterrainian swarm and the fists gave better mobility in the tunnels for the gaunts. That's how I'd play nids anyway.

>>53530650
I fail to see what the issue is

>>53530644
The buffs are too esoteric. There's no point in running any covens stuff with a Succubus or any Kabalite stuff with a Haemonculus. Even AoS lets you stack buffs across your own faction and that game got dropped on its head at birth.

>>53530661
I don't think a 40k thread has ever moved this fast. This is almost as fast as election night on /pol/ and that was fucking fast.

>>53530634
we are still laking a lot of picture of orks unit and profiles, and they posted only the first page of the points list

So for the worst factions, tau, ork, guard, csm etc...
What builds can they do to remain viable?

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>>53530579
There's this. But it's essentially useless.

>>53530666

That would be crazy, Satan.

>>53530664

Saw some the other day pretty good stuff, frost swords are 7 points.

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>>53530663

>>53530613
They're on the points list so no, not squatted.

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>Boats and passengers can move 14" and fire everything without penalty
>Leadership fuckery
>Invul saves on all vehicles
>Ignoring all wounds on 6s
>Better melee and dirt cheap melee weapons
>Tools to lock enemies in combat

GET IN LOSERS, WE'RE GOING RAIDING.

>>53530671
psychic phase is after the movement phase, so you're a sitting duck for a turn. burnas are a high priority, low save unit; not exactly what I would recommend putting in that position.

>>53530682

Not true. Give me time, I'll extract it.

>>53530644
Ahh...but it is a 6" bubble so as long as you have someone within the bubble they benefit. So if your Haemonculus only gives his bonus to friendly (cult?) then you could still give him a bodyguard of Incubi, maybe an Elite character for a minor buff, and keep the flesh warped stuff nearby to leach off his buff.

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>>53530691

Helbrecht rape train is gonna be awesome.

>>53530632
>>53530668
>spinegaunt

Str3 0Ap 1D pistols, in case you were wondering.

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>>53530708

So guard are basically going back to previous platoon days? Since squads are troops, special weapons heavy etc.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvgdMfA37S/

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>>53530717

>>53530597
Everyone always thinks their shit sucks. It's actually funny how many people think x army is garbage ave haven't even played the game yet.

>>53530665
>>Icarus Dunecrawler rape is go
This is terrifying in new edition, yeah.

>omnispex cover ignoring combined with snipers means fuck your characters
Good shit

>Fucking everything has 6++ now
Mostly worthless unfortunately, I guess it will help on Ironstriders

>breachers and destroyers gained a wound, continue to be awesome
Good

>loss of Dunestrider and Skitarii protocols hurts like hell
Dunestrider is redundant with move values, but sadly the Sicarians got nerfed to Mv8 instead of 9 and don't get the bonus to charge distance anymore

>no transports, t3 and no Dunestrider means Admech close combat is fucking dead
Dragoons are still good, transports are coming from Forge World eventually

>army wide canticles are okay, not great
These got nerfed hard but I guess it's neat that Skitarii all finally benefit

Man I just wanna see my clowns rules

>>53530705

Haemmys are Covens, which are frankendudes

Succubi are Cults, which are gladiator shit like wyches

Archons are Cabals, which are, well, Kabalites

A Succubus let's <cult> units in 6" reroll 1s to melee for example. He's upset that he can't reroll 1s for his Kabalites because they're <Cabal> units.

>>53530583
I feel the Heavy Phosphor Onager is going to see a lot more use.

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>>53530721

>>53530708
> Literally never attack with Whip Coils again
Huh.

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Here we are anons the fully point costed 8ed version of my list - pic related
>HQ
Archon: Agoniser, Blaster - 73
4x Sslyth - 176
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Troops
5x Warriors: Blaster - 50
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]
5x Warriors: Blaster - 50
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Elites
5x Trueborn: 2x Dark Lances, 2x Blasters - 125
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]
5x Trueborn: 2x Dark Lances, 2x Blasters - 125
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Fast Attack
5x Scourges: 4x Heat Lances - 170
5x Scourges: 4x Dark Lances - 150
6x Reavers: Agoniser, 2x Heat Lances, 2x Caltrops - 240

>Heavy Support
2x Talos: 2x Scapels, 4x Heat Lances - 292

Total: 2218 points

>Either cut 218 points or play at 2500

>>53530681
Don't forget Talons. Custodes lost deep strike, a BS, rerollable DtW, and their points went up. Plus we can't actually run them as a stand alone army because every detachment requires and HQ which we don't have!

>>53530716
>pistols

Called that shit. That makes them fairly dangerous in CC all things considered. At least not utter trash. The fists are base 3? What about for Raveners?

>Still no Bike, Wierdboy, Deffkopta, or Warbuggies pages posted yet
I wanna go fast

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>>53530735

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>>53530743

>>53530738
There is a 2nd Talos squad, i added the points but didn't write it out

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>>53530748
you missed it

>>53530530
Tbh Chaos Space Marines don't look awful, the 8th edition rules themselves are pretty good for them. I just hate how I've lost a lot of my choice in how I build my army and units, that is just bullshit

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>>53530753

>>53530720
Heavy weapons

Also guard images at link

>>53530735
Flayed ones soon?

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>>53530768

>>53530767
Just the change in minimum termie squad size messed up a core part of what I normally field.

>>53530761
not bad

>>53530733
Yeah especially with the nerfs to blast weapons.

But good fucking lord the icarus array now. Not only is it hitting on 4's at worst and will be hitting some units on 2's but all three of its weapons even got buffed on top of that. That thing looks like it will rape it's way through a full 3-man Crisis Team per shooting phase.

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>>53530777

>>53530724
Tbh I'm going to miss army wide shooting hitting on 2+ with minor re-rolls for two turns, re-rolling 1s is ok but overall worse. At least Cawl is letting nearby units re-roll all to hit shots.

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I want to buy more models in a vain attempt to fill the void in my life but I am having a very hard time justifying the purchase when I have been lacking motivation to do much of anything lately, and have a ton of unfinished models.

I just don't know any more. Lately all I seem to want to do is immerse myself in shitty vidya or sleep. I have no friends, and the culture at my new job, while very laid back, seems to be to come in at 10, and stay for 12 hours playing league of legends after hours. So far every day they've seeemed really weirded out that I've been looking to head home and not play games or drink after spending 8-9 hours working.

I'm also horribly ugly and it seems like it is getting worse. In the past few years my skull has developed these cro-magnon ridges that catch the light in strange ways. Every time I look at my face in the mirror I want to cry.

In 7th Ed I played one total game of 40k: and it was a game against myself.

>>53530768
>explodes
Ah so tyrants thrashing is their vehicles exploding equivalent

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>>53530780

>>53530783
not worth the points

So is it just me or do electropriests seem pretty strong now?

Especially considering you can take them in a transport (with a -1cp auxillary detachment)?

>>53530761
Thanks anon, still need Koptas and to see if Wierdboyz have any special rules

Is there any Ork weapons that aren't Assult sans things like Lootas? Gotta go fast indeed.

>>53530789
i dont normally tell people this but maybe you should talk to a professional so you dont do something drastic. i care about you anon

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>>53530802

All I've been able to find thus far.

>>53530789
I played over 50 games of 7th And they were all against myself with cardboard cutouts and bottlecaps

>>53530802
Already seen this shit. Where's the new leaks?

>>53530743
Exterminator is still the only one worth considering.

>>53530798
Yeah, but with nids their stuff is going to be in combat with the enemy most of the time so I think they'll see a lot more benefit from it.

>>53530789
Paint and play you cunt. Stop whini g you your shit like all players and painters do.

>>53530682
>Shardnet and Impailer is the worst wych weapon by far
>most expensive

They're all 4/5 points, but still.

>>53530806
Transports only carry models from their faction, unless you're an Inquisitor.

I just now realized that there will no longer be wrecks on the table... All dead vehicles are removed when destroyed, they all explode.

>>53530824
why not use tabletop simulator anon?

>>53530767
Abaddon is hilariously cheap and seems disgustingly strong. Really not looking forward to seeing him every game.

Magnus still seems pretty good also even if the new psyker system is lame as hell

>>53530804
>not worth the points
That's what's been said about fucking everything that gets posted for almost every army.

>>53530785
I guess it'll depend if you want reliable damage vs the chance for more damage since the Icarus array is only hitting about half its shots against non-flying targets, though it's nice that it is a lot more viable to take. I've never bothered with it because nobody in my local meta takes fliers or skimmers.

Stick Cawl nearby a unit of them for re-rolls though and they'll be some nasty fucks.

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Mfw 8th Ed is now "nerfhammer"

>lol

Anymore info on normal ol Daemons? I remember seeing a lotta slaanesh stuff shown and 3 bloodthirsters

>>53530851
yeah but for the orks im telling you they REALLY aren't worth shit

Orks are the most overpriced army by a country mile

Does anyone have the full main rules saved?

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>>53530851
>87 point Carnifexes

>>53530735

>matt ward envisioned Imotekh as crazy arrogant and incapable of understanding orks so he challenges people to duels without a good melee weapon and can't seize vs orks
>some editions later he has good CC skills, doesn't obsess about duels and no weakness against orks

Is this defilement of Ward's vision truly the way to go for Games Workshop?

>>53530857
Characterhammer seems more appropriate. Taking a bunch of characters to give bonuses seems almost required and once they're dead you're fucked.

Can I just not buy a turret on a Russ and save points?

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I sure wish one of the 4 people who posted tau rules had chosen a different army instead

>>53530824
In my mind you did not use bottle caps as stand ins for minis, but instead created a lifelike replica of yourself out of bottle caps to play against.

>>53530851
Vehicles seem pretty overcosted in general in every army. I know they got more wounds but they arent that much more resilient.

Especially with split fire in all the infantry blobs

>>53530834
Implying my russ wont?
Punisher, three heavy flamers, heavy stubber, rushing at you, move 10 inches and flame on brrrt. Charge in along side rough riders as needed. Stay in their faces.

>>53530870
Yea special characters nearly all got their points shaved and are running around with a huge pile of wounds.

>>53530880
That seems like a reasonable thing to do since in the previous editions almost nobody would go without transports of some kind. So clearly they were too good to pass up, now maybe they might not be.

>>53530892
Yes but heavy weapons now deal multiple damage.

>>53530848
I honestly don't think Magnus is worth fielding that much anymore. His bonuses are good but not for 415 points, at the very least when he was 650 he was actually fucking beastly.

You can use Ahriman instead of him and not suffer all that much and he's 166 points on a disc.

>>53530880
>but they arent that much more resilient.
8th edition isn't even technically out yet and it's like you've all forgotten that vehicles didn't used to have armour saves. If the opponent had something that could beat their AV that was it, you were rolling on a damage table. Remember when Dunecrawlers were first leaked and everyone was so hype just because they had a 6+ fucking invuln save? Now every vehicle with 3+ armour has that against every AP -3 weapon (the stuff that used to be AP2).

Vehicles are way tougher.

>>53530835
sorry

Any space marine chapter tactics?

>>53530613
Something about them is out because people were butt-hurt. It's less randumb now apparently.

Can models charge from Deep Strike in this ed?
I really want a 10 man Mandrake squad poppin up, Blaseblasting and then charging

>>53530913
yes. though that means having to make 9 inch charges

>>53530913
Yes, where the fuck have you been??

>>53530901
A lot of those weapons are doing completely random numbers of damage and you can't even fire at the independent characters with 10 wounds or less without sniper weapons or killing everything in front of them.

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>>53530918
>>53530924
>Deep striking Reavers
>Deep striking Mandrakes
>Deep striking Incubi in Raider

>>53530925
Hitting 3 Lascannons deals average 10.5 damage, that's pretty great.

>>53530865
who let kelly write the bugs again

Ok before I freak out is it confirmed that a psyker can cast smite more then once a psychic phase?
Ahriman for example can cast 3 spells can they all be smites?

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>>53530870
>>53530892

>all these other factions have near mandatory special characters with crutch rules that support their army
>Deldar characters are cool dudes with one or two special rules that make them unique to their HQ class but doesn't make them mandatory for the army to function
>mfw

Feels good to be Deldar

>>53530907
They also used to be half the points of what they currently are.

>come up with elaborate list where a command squad follows a veteran squad armed with combi plasma, and the chapter banner gives relentless so the veterans can rapid fire plasma and the command squad can rapid fire plasma and then charge in with 30 attacks on the charge
>now I can still rapid fire plasma and charge but I dont feel as clever

>>53530552
Thanks anon. I care.

S8 not S10...y tho

>>53530941
Did you miss the part about not being able to shoot at certain independent characters without killing everything in front of it?

>>53530941
what are the numbers on krak missiles? will they be effective at removing chad marines?

>>53530753
>>53530780
>Infantry Squad = Troops
>Special Weapons Squad = Elite
>Heavy Support Squad = Heavy

Ok...

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>>53530950
We're back

>>53530743

Wait, what happened to the other variants?

>>53530945
A psyker can only attempt to cast the same power once each psychic phase.

So what do I use as tau when I dont want to lose every game?

>>53530944
Some merciful and gracious angel of God

I put up with 8 years of Cruddace's garbage, I feel like a man who was just freed from prison

>>53530976
They're on the next page.

>>53530976
You can sort of see Demolishers on the next page.

>>53530857
>>53530870

Make this a thing

>>53530979
Longstrike + 2-3 Hammerheads with ion cannons

>>53530979
Tyranids.

>>53530979
a different army

Any more IG pages, like Characters or the Demo tank page?

>Leman Russ only ignores the -1 to hit on its turret

So I move, deal 2 damage with my battlecannons and then get like 2-3 heavy bolter hits? And at 6hp you can kiss the chance of hitting anything goodbye. What a piece of shit. Chinaman is going to be receiving some punisher and executioner orders soon I think.

>>53530977
Where does it say this?

Most of Leman turrets feels underwhelming, Punisher and Exterminators seems to be the best options at least for now, thanks to Forgeworld i belive Annihilator will become a favorite this edition or at least better than the Vanquisher un everything.

>>53530979
Shield Drones

Holy shit they're so good at protecting things now

>>53531000
I really hope GW releases a larger drone pack

>>53530962
Wait special weapons squads are elite? What the fuck. So I have to burn an elite slot to take 6 Guardsmen with 3 flamers? What a fucking mess.

I heard tyranids are okay now? Wtf happened?

>>53530996
Heavy Flamer sponsons seem to be the way to go

Also Enginseers to repair your damaged tanks

>>53530810
I don't even know where I would begin with that and I am terrified of stuff like that showing up on my records

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Tyranids and DE are now rape central in 8ed

>>53530962
Just noticed it, now veterans are fucking elites.

>>53531014
>are okay now
>okay
While we're still mostly speculating and working off of incomplete information, it looks like Tyranids could be the best damn army in the game right now

>>53531014
Based Ward returned and saved 40k

>>53530859
>my faction is nerf
Everyone is saying that.
>but my faction is MORE nerf

>>53530736
If they die they get to attack anyway.

kinda like Dogged in Infinity.

Wraiths look alright honestly

Whwre e are the deathwing leaks tell me now please

>>53531012
Given guardsmen are cheap, it probably won't be that tough to just fill out multiple/larger detachments.

>>53531027
Tyranids yes, but DE? I mean, c'mon. I'm not seeing it

>>53531024
What records?

>>53531015
Its a pain in the ass to have to take enginseer tax, but I can see how 3 punishers rolling in hiding a techpriest could be really good.

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>>53530945
"A" Psyker? No.

There is still a blanket rule that a particular psyker can only cast a particular spell once per turn. However, there's an additional rule for matched play that restricts a particular spell from being cast more than one by your army, regardless if you have more than only psyker. Smite gets around this restriction, but only this restriction.

tl;dr: No. One smite per psyker, per turn.

anyone has the Tyranid rules on pdf?

GUARD LEAKS WHEN?

Advanced Targetting Systems seem to be the go-to "I don't know what support system to use" but Shield Generators are dirt cheap and pretty damn good. I'm torn between the two for my mass of Stealthsuits.

They're tougher and harder to hit, so they're pretty survivable as they are but man, I can't choose!

I haven't seen much space elf discussion. Are they very nerfed, slightly nerfed, or whatnow?

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Need more?

>>53531071
we already have all the admech stuff.

>>53531071
Fuck you post guard.

>>53531069
They haven't had a lot of leaks but they seem to have been brought to a reasonable level without being overly nerfed from what I've seen, so well done GW on that front

>>53530768
>battle cannon
against MEQs you will on average take out about 1 or 2
>exterminator
not heavy 8, i am so sad
but against MEQs it will do about the same damage

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>>53530824

Over 37 drops.... simulated
>how many combat drops?
uhhh.. 2... including this one

>>53530743
Given what I've seen the battle cannon is not that bad especially given other vehicles.

D6 S8 ap -2 hits that do D3 wounds with no penalty to moving and shooting is pretty solid.

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>>53531044
Personally i see 8ed as playing "Rocket Tag" you kill fast, but die fast
We've always done that, and we've even been buffed

It's not the highs of 5ed, but it's gonna be damn well close

>>53531083
>average guard player going up against tyranids in 8th edition

>>53531042
It's really looking like the guard is going to have to take multiple detachments to really build much.

Why won't these retards leaking the info for IG, give us the information for the Deathstrike and manticore.

>>53531060
If you take Ahriman and Magnus together you dont have enough spells to be able to use all your casts

>1 smite each
>3 from heretical one
>5 spells
Just fuck this right off. Anyone with a cast value of two in now overcosted garbage.

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>>53531080
Like this?

>>53531083
>tfw I just found out yesterday that Vasquez is actually a freckly, frizzy-haired Jew named Goldberg in real life
>tfw I found out she also plays John Connor's foster mom in T2

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20 Shield Drones surrounding a Riptide/Stormsurge, would it work?

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>>53530997

>>53531100
actual guard leaks, not the same five images off of instagram.

>>53531060
Not him but what the fucking fuck? I thought my TS's psychic phase was crippled but now it's extra bad. The one spell I am allowed to cast more than once per turn and I can't even spam it? So I'm going to have "Psyker can cast 3 spells!" but due to using them all, I can only cast smite once and waste those remaining 2 opportunities.

Bullshit, I'm fucking ignoring that rule with my bros. They already think it's unfair, we're homebrewing that.

>>53531100
Already seen it, post something new or fuck off.

>>53531111
Ok, i'll fuck off

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>T5 Reavers if i want every game
>2 Wounds
>16" basic Movement

>>53531094
Well, that's just more command points for them, right? I mean, compared to using the old platoon structure.

>>53531109
Don't Spam HQ Sorcs until you have a codex that clears it up. Your unit leaders are fine though.

>>53531082
the punisher cannon will kill nearly double the amount as the other two, at the expense of only dealing 1 damage per shot and having crap range

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>>53531082
>not heavy 8
I suspected this the second the name "exterminator autocannon" popped up as a singular weapon rather than just being a twin-linked autocannon like it was before.

Secretly I'm glad, all my Russes are LRBTs except my command Vanquisher and a commissar's Exterminator. I'm hopeful the OG Russ still holds it own on the table.

>>53531121
Where are they getting t5? I thought they were t4

>>53531137
Drugs.

>>53530597
I play Marines and I'm happy. Finally my Predators and Whirlwinds will be useful.

>>53531122
That entirely depends on how useful strategems are in matched play. I guess you can always dump a bunch of those CPs into going first on turn one.

>>53530979
Tactics.

You must rely on more than the shooting phase now.

>>53531140
Oh right

>>53530806
don't listen to that other anon, as long as the transport is an imperium keyword transport you can use it

>>53531015
I think people are undervaluing D3 wounds and D6 hits on hard targets. They're pretending Russes are bad anti tank.

Also IMO way tougher at W12 T8 than AV14 ever was. At least when I look at it as an eldar player. To me Russes with battle canon, Las cannon and flamer sponsons is the way to go.

>>53531137
They are, but you can choose whatever drug you want this time
Which means +1 A, +1 S, +1 T, +2 Mv. and 2 other drugs whenever you want

>>53531136
Yeah man all those 1.75 wound battle cannons will bring so much pain.

>>53531124
Not spamming HQs sorcs would be unflavourful. The TS rely on that shit. I will wait until the codexes drop before I get to work on them but I hope this is fixed. Without lots of psykers, the TS are neutered, you don't give Traitor Legions and then take all that flavour away after a few months, what the hell man? the ExSorcs don't even have their nifty beam attack anymore, everything's generic right now.

New Magnus is actually pretty scary assault monster. Insane movement range with first spell and auto hits with third. Seven S16 -4 3 attacks, with 4++ to protect him. Plus lots of mortal wounds each turn.

And he is actually cheaper than a Knight.

I wouldn't count him out just yet.

my local store small time gaming store has now got their box of 8th, they're opening it tonight. Any leaks on lore updates? Or was the baal shit all the lore updates for 8th?

>>53531071
HOLEEE FUCKIN SHIT
THESE NIGGAS ARE SCARY!

AoS player here. Mortal wounds are not to be taken fucking lightly. These guys dish them out like beads at Mardi gras

>>53531161
Its super flavorful.

Main Sorc does crazy shit and the rest of the cabal are shooting mind bullets.

>>53531161
It looks like GW put loading up the Thousand Sons with psychic power options on hold until they're gonna do their codex.

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>>53530857
>>53530870
>>53530986

whre are fabulous bile leaks?

>>53531157
Well, yes, the average of 8 wounds per shot will bring a lot of pain.

>>53530597
Aspiring Drew Carey player, it's awesome for me.
I'm worried it'll look like I'm bandwagoning, though.

>>53531176
1 mind bullet. No matter that they could shoot more. TSons Sorcerers collectively know 4 powers now. FUck yeah this is fluffy amirite?

>>53530698

Assault weapons can still fire if you Advance (Run), albeit at a -1 penalty. Burnas give zero fucks about that as they hit automatically.

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TEMPESTUS

Dark Angel scans up at http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/album/13185-da-leak/

>>53531183
You got the old Archon model? Then you're good
Seriously i'm so looking forward to the 17th when i can test everything out against people

>>53531181
So you're running like 5 russes, or 750 points worth of units to deal 8 damage and then a smattering with sponsons weapons? That's a fucking shitty investment of points.

>>53531183

That's what worries me, too, but fuck them. We'll know. We know how many many of us there were.

>Hey guys, Deldar player here. What? No. I've always liked Deldar! I just never played them much!

>>53531183
I think drukhari are going to be good. Not great, just good. Definitely better than "lol why bother?" tier they were in 7e

>>53531161
Fair enough. Honestly I think if they had access to two disciplines it would be about right for 8th. That would be enough for a level 3 and 4 level 2s before you maxed out the spells.

>>53531195
FUCKING FORUM HOMOS NO ONE CARES ABOUT MUHREENS.

>>53531195
> Requires a login

Want to summarize for us?

>>53531183
They probably aren't THAT good.

>>53530979
Anything. ANYTHING! Our dex is shit tier. Perhaps one of the worst in all codex history. Fuck you Frankie and Reece for saying it was balanceed you lying tau hating fucks. Everyone needs to be reminded of their biased lying paid shit.

4chan is always yelling about paid shills in paranoid rants. Well look no fucking further than those two from frontline.

>>53531132

Punisher is better at killing marines (manlets and primaris) than battlecannon, exterminator and standard mode executioner.

>>53531193
You run in the Movement phase now.

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My cheapskate Gangs of Commorragh list for 8th.

Are heat lances worth it? S6 seems kinda low for an anti-vehicle weapon.

Do you think it would be better to split the Hellion unit and/or combine the Reaver units?

>>53531191
1D3 mind bullets per turn,

What the fuck do you think Epsilon level psykers are capable of? They use basic force.

>>53530552
More eldar!
I need banshees, scorps and DAs

And we all want to know if jetbikes are still boringly OP

>>53531154
The average is 1.17 wounds against another t8 3+ save model.
For comparison, a lascannon fired by the same Russ at the same target average 0.97 wounds.
Battle Cannon is barely better than a lascannon, but way more expensive.
You're probably better off spamming lascannons in infantry squads.

>>53531157
It doesn't have to send entire enemy units to the shadow realm every turn. I'd take just being a big chunky block that's hard to kill, and can grind across the field with my infantry to sit on objectives, not dying.

>>53531225

Oh no, bby got the ork and nid treatment

>>53531233
Looks fine to me
I think HL are no longer the go to anti veh - Darklight weps are king

>>53531225
Good. Fuck you. Fuck you with a rake. 7th edition Tau were everything wrong with 40k bunched into one army.

>>53531239
But the point is that 750 points worth of tanks SHOULD be sending their shit straight to the shadow realm.

>>53531205
Agreed. I think people are overlooking the fact that they don't really have a character who is a really scary CC beast like most other factions. Lelith has the same weird quirks she's always had and Drazhar isn't that scary.

>>53531225
Being this salty.

I'm not an flg fan, but even I know you're a complete moron. The Tau will be fine. Not top tier, but right where they should be, fine.

I'm a Tau player. You're just an idiot.

>>53530780
No more veterans doctrines?

>>53531176
That'd be right if it wasn't like >>53531191 says
>>53531177
Seems like it, tons of stuff missing for everyone. I guess they assumed beefing up our infantry to be enough of a stop-gap measure which I'm more inclined to agree with than not. I'm incredibly thankful for those, I just gained like an extra 130 points out of nowhere.
>>53531211
Yeah, it's not any one mechanic fucking it up, it's that
>One smite per psyker when they have multiple casts available
>One discipline power per turn when you have multiple casts available
>Almost non-existent amount of powers
all those combine into a very bad situation for psykers in general.

>>53531202
I wish BC and did the "1 and 2 count as 3" some other units have with their damage, except do it for "shots" against units above a certain size. I doubt it would do much but at least it would be something.

>>53531233
You need to get that poor girl a Venom as soon as you can.

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So from these leaks it looks like 2500 will be the new 1850/2000
But i'd also wager that games will be so much faster even with the increase - because everything kills and dies faster

I'm excited

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>>53531214
TAKEITBOY

>>53531172
they have the staying power of a fart in the wind though currently, if you can get them to melee god help what they reach but thats harder than it seems.

>>53531154
Also, under the previous rules, it required an average of 18 lascannons fired by marines to kill a LR. Under the new rules, it only takes an average of 9.25.
GW fucked up big time.

>>53531290
>Gay traitor marines

Boring, pick something better to leak. Fucking forumfaggots.

>>53531290
>unreadable and sideways
for fucks sake

>>53531287
Points costs on a lot of things are up, but not that much. I'm still thinking about 2000 standard, because in the US, 1850 was standard

>>53530979

Pathfinder, Shield Drones, and Firewarriors cost the same now.

>>53531296
Granted that's discounting explodes but still. Vehicles don't explode in one shot anymore but they die more quickly to sustained fire.

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>Just leave Chaos and the xenos to us

I missed the Admech? I saw Sicarians were nerfed speedwise, the Dominus is still good and the Electros got the price cut they needed. Anything else? Sad we've apparently lost laser-accuracy with Skitarii, that was fun.

>>53531263
Its one of those things thats works okay for 1.5-2k point games but is full retard for big games. The system is pretty much designed for you to take 1-2 psykers as support and not as an all in strategy.

Really should have scaled at the very least the amount of smites higher level psykers can shoot out.

>>53531039
Dunno how useful that ability will be for 9 points, but wraiths looks as solid as they ever were without the bullshit. Might run them with pistols now though.

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>>53531303
i can stop, if you wish

>>53531303
>Literally one job and they can't do It

That is your brain on web forums. When anons leak shit it's always good quality.

>>53531203
it helps when that my whole army other than venoms is the old models.

>>53531315

>Unit of Marines fails Battleshock test by 1

>>53531296
Lascannons aren't garbage anti-tank anymore.
That's a good thing.

>>5353097
Is fish of fury a thing again? Pathfinders with pulse accelerator drones for 24" pulse carbines seems pretty good behind a devilfish

>>53531328
How about instead you take 10 seconds to make it the right fucking way up, Jesus Christ.

>>53531320
Plasma Calivers lost gets hot but also lost a shot, arc rifles nerfed against vehicles.

Onagers have a fuckload of firepower.

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>>53531328
dont be an asshole anon, just because you have a leak doesnt mean we cant bitch

>>53531328
Im sure the ants with broken necks appreciate it

>>53531296
It's about as tough as a wraith knight used to be, but that discounts multiple wound dealing heavy weapons true.

>>53531328
Please do, not even worth the image cap.

>>53531340
It's not fish of fury because people can charge the fish

>>53531256
That's no reason to make them so bad they are now pointless to field you dumb shit. I was okay with some things like Stormsurges an Riptides getting tonned down, but the entire army has been so guted it migh tneed a complete rework of rules at this point to make it a mid-tier army. That's all I fucking wanted and Reece and Frankie let their anti-Tai hate and bias nerf it so it's not balanced. Yea fuck you too for being the cancer that assumes all Tau players bring triptides I ran Kroot and skyrays. Would have if my FLGS didn't ban them for the last few years. SO go fuck YOUR self up the asshole.

>>53531263
>all those combine into a very bad situation for psykers in general.
Most armies are fine with not spamming psykers. Before 6th ed. that was the norm. I still think KSons can work with say just Magnus or Ahriman and 1 level 2, but I understand your position. And it does feel odd that they don't have access to a Tzeentchy power. I have to imagine this is due to them wanting to keep things partitioned to avoid unforseen combos and they didn't think to loosen things for KSons despite their characters all being Sorcerors.

>>53531348
Now it's readable and the right way up you get praise for leaks. It's like Pavlov's dog. Good anon, good leaks, well done :)

>>53531323
Depends on the army. At 2K I have 6 psykers that have access to the CSM table, most of them can cast 2 powers. Assuming I blow my CSM powers, I'm going to have a lot of lvl2 psykers casting a single smite and not being able to capitalize on their power. Gonna have to take a break from my TS until the codex drops.

>>53531202
>So you're running like 5 russes
D6 hits for D3 damage, anon, and hits stack on a unit, not wounds.

>>53531357
Yep. You're a moron. Burn your army. There will be no solace for you.

>>53531355
Then the fish jumps out of combat and you shoot them again? The devilfish is pretty tanky now T7 12W

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>>53531357

>>53531287
>>53531308
I think 2000 as well. Remember that the ITC rules guys were already agitating to reduce the points in tournament for time reasons.

>>53531320
Can someone share the link to the admech stuff? People keep saying it was posted but I can't find it.

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>>53531345
Can we overcharge the plascal? What exactly happened to Arcs? Because it kinda seems like they stripped out a lot of flavour and power due to not being bothered to port over stuff like 6+FnP. What happened to Vanguard rifles?

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I guess the Tau will be all about using drones as mobile screens. They cost the same as firewarriors, and can protect nearby units. I see Pulse Accelerator and Grav-Drones as the standard issue for any group of firewarrior teams + drones around it.

>>53530694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX9VxBwvFFo

>>53531143
I might have missed this, but why are Preds and WWs more useful now?

>>53531376
>Fish jumps out of combat
>Enemy uses their move turn to charge your blue faggots

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>>53531349
So, i do all i can. I didn't have acsess to original leaks on Bolter and chainsword and repost from other place.

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/wip/ is asleep, does anyone know if paint stamps like this are viable for doing transfer-type icons?

https://youtu.be/tuca1Vn2xLE

We got stats for the chadnaught yet?

>>53531257
Oh, you are one of those guys that think you ought to be able to delete a unit with a single shot from another unit?
Go to 30k, you'll fit right in.

>>53531380
https://imgur.com/a/SogN6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFtcLJVN8yg

>>53531357
>I'm such a moron that I can't see what others see, so I blame all my anguish on 2 internet personalities.
I don't often say this because I find it crass, but kill yourself

>>53531385
>heavy gun drones
my nigga

So it seems that Nu-Games Workshop removed more the half of existing flavour and special rules from every single faction.

Chapter tactics, Legiong Rules, Psychic tables, Special rules and anything that separates faction A melee/ranged unit from faction B melee/ranged unit is just missing.

How about how common this weapons stat line d3 ap-2/3 d3. Cause it sure would be a shame to know the correct thing to aim at with my weapons. Dont worry though because the upgrade does d3 mortal wounds instead. RARE.

Funny shit but I was giving HH players shit for having to stay with 7th but damn if I'm not jealous right now.

>>53531358
Consider that SOT have psyker leader and that you need two HQs.

>>53531382
Plasma Calivers can be overcharged. Arc Rifles just do d3 damage against vehicles, but they're still S6 -1AP. So their AP improved a bit but they are a lot less likely to wound heavier vehicles.

Radium Carbines do 2 damage on 6s to wound instead of 2 wounds but otherwise the same.

Oh and they nerfed Galvanic rifles for some reason. They have no AP base and just do -1 AP on 6s to wound.

>>53531399
Yes, when I point half a 1500 point army at a unit I expect it to fucking evaporate. Should this not be the case?

>>53530673
Fluff-wise, why would a cult listen to a coven?
They may work together, but I feel thry'd all take their own leaders, so I'm ok with that.

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>>53531385
Posting my sick new drone squads

>>53531392
>plasma talons are now assault 2 instead of being twin-linked
one downside with the new twin linked rules is that they've nerfed the weapons that would become way better

>>53531382
6++ replaced fnp, vanguard rifles are awesome now that vehicles and walkers have a T value since they still do 2 wounds on a 6.

>>53531410
it's because these rules are the in between for when codex's come, when each army gets their codex they will get their fluffier stuff, the indexes are just so you can play with (yourdudes) in the 8th edition ruleset

>>53531401
The Omnissiah thanks you anon.

>>53531338
Sure, but it also means the price hike on tanks in general is ridiculous. They die faster to AT weapons despite GW claiming otherwise, and most tank guns have been nerfed to shit with d3/d6 shots.
They're both offensively and defensively fucked, and at an increased price point.
In short: why can't GW seem to find a single game designer capable of grade school math?
But yeah, if you really want to bring a tank as IG, the punisher is the only one remotely approaching worthwhile.

>>53531258

They have enough shooting generally. Between scourges, gun boats, hellions, and Venoms there's plenty of infantry killing, plus blasterborn still murder tanks, dark lance raiders are good, void ravens and RJF are nasty, and D-Cannons wreck heavy infantry. As far as CC goes, wyches and hellions are good, Incubi are still good.

Deldar have plenty of ways to deal with sit and the speed to get there.

>>53531410
I'm betting they will get those back when everything eventually gets their codeces. GW has gotta give some incentive to buy them. Right now it's no big deal because nobody has their relics and warlord traits and all that. These indexes are meant to be a stopgap to get every army playing with the new system.

I'm not worried

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>>53531385


We can go further.

>>53531357
I'm a Tau player and you're being a big fucking baby. I field tons of foot-tau and stealthsuits and I'm bloody happy about most of the changes. Markerlights are more balanced and in a way they're better because cumulative and not consumable upon use. You have a use for Pathfinders now, which are more reliable and survivable. Stealthsuits are now pretty fucking great, being mini-primaris marines with access to great dakka and harder to hit. previously unused units like vespid have a purpose now and so does the bomber and people will actually not take boxingglove broadsides cause holy shit the iconic railguns can punch holes through things again! Cheap shield generators all over the place! Doctrines and Sept Rules!

Fire Warrior Turrets are shit but w/e

>>53531416
>when I point half a 1500 point army
This is the first part of your fuck up, but you seem incapable of understanding why that is the case.

>>53531393
interesting... i would give it a try... but the icons are not very 40kish what is your plan`?

>>53531414
SOT?

>>53531308
>>53531379
Annoying
Means i'm going to have to cut 1-2 units from my current 2k list to make it fit in 8ed, or add 1-2 units to make it 2500

Current list translates to about 2200, from 1996

>>53531416
It hasn't been for my Grey Knights, Necrons, Sisters of Battle, Deathwatch, Orks, or Imperial Fists for quite some time. Well, minus the battle company for the Fists, but I only got to try that once because screw buying that many transports.

>>53531357
Oh my god these Tau WAACfag tears are making me cummmm