Warhammer 40k general(40kg)

>>53527781

I'm actually quite optimistic, and I've already seen all of my army.

Second for Orks are better than everyone is saying.

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Helbrecht is my man, rerolling everything to hit sounds absolutely amazing!.

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here is the hive tyrant

has anyone seen new rules for Crypteks, or Anrakyr the Traveller? so far all the non-Sautekh characters have been ignored, and Crypteks are just a fucking mystery for some reason

no cryptek discipline weapons im sure, which sucks, but maybe pyrrhian eternals can be good now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xG-0LDvw-M

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>>53528127
>M16"

Tyranids are back in full force, this thing will reach assault on turn 2.

Gunlines with no transports or units to throw are beyond fucked.

>>53528217
If 'nids are getting this, wonder what Space Wolves are getting?

>>53528217
that's only if he got wings, base movement is 9''
still good enough

>>53528266
Slight Thunderwolf nerfs judging by the leaks
GH seem slightly better now though, 2 points less and they have a few more options. Chainsword may actually be useful, they can rapid fire and charge, rhino can absorb overwatch if needed, pistols to fire in their shooting phase while in CC.

>>53528316
If you're tyrant is melee and it's not a flyrant you're doing something wrong

>>53528326
anything on bloodclaws?

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So if persay every single WAAAGH!!! and every single Ork warband united under one leader in the milky way, do you think Orks would conquer the whole of the galaxy?

>Stormravens can't transport Primaris Marines
>Drop pods can't transport Primaris Marines
>Land Raiders can't transport Primaris Marines

>>53528127

That's good, glad GW hasn't nerfed them.

When will we get to see thorax swarm weapons and advanced biomorphs like Regeneration and Acid Blood on hive tyrants? I wonder if The Hive Tyrant Build(tm) is going to continue to see play(albeit without thorax swarm right now), Deathspitters scaling in power with bug size for the first time since 4th is great news.

Daemons are ok right guys? Right? Pls somebody give me hope

>>53528217

The fact that it can move 16" and then charge, is alone a massive boost to effectiveness. It can now be an actual melee unit, no longer gets stuck airborne.

Did we ever get the other Leman Russ cannon stat lines?

Was at work all day, last thing I remember was Exorcist math and the very beginnings of Ork leaks but nothing substantial. What'd I miss?

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>>53528459
its also a psyker and can give itself fleet if you want to run an extra D6. It can also give itself +1 to charge and advance distance.

16+3d6+1

:^D we might be a little broken

where is deathwatch leak..

>>53527781
I'm optimistic. Rough Riders don't suck now.

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Hello friends.

Where would I go to get replacement foam inserts for the case in the image?

Thank you kindly.

did anyone make pdf of the deldari leak yet?

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>>53528498
sorry i fucked that up its

16+3d6+2

after 6 years of sucking i am excite

In the 7e codex kabalite warriors and trueborn shared an entry, but they have separate datasheets for 8e.
Reckon we can hope for different models for them too?

>>53528394
If such an unlikely event were to occur? There's a very good chance. Take a look at the HH novel about 'The Beast', an Ork Warlord with a truly massive Waaagh! that nearly brought the Imperium (back when it generally had its shit together) to its knees.

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>>53528534
you mean the drew carey?

>>53527781
Hell im a gaurd/renegades and chaos player and im still optomistic

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I have 20 of these fuckers. Do I go for massive swarm, medium swarms, medium and smaller swarms, or Msu swarms?

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>>53528394
>>53528570

Ghazghkull might do it. Supposedly he's uniting pretty much every Ork clan he comes across and they're all following his banner because he's a prophet or Gork (or maybe Mork).

>>53528127
Seems weird that if you run two Tyrants, at least one of their powers per turn will always be spent on Smite. Psychic Focus makes no sense to me.

anyone have the possessed rules yet?

>>53528612
Ghazzy is a Prophet of da Waaagh, making him a prophet of both (or neither).

>>53528595

The lack of Legion rules is a total buzzkill for me in regards to CSM. I honestly don't give a shit about them anymore. Why bother playing a non-cult legion when you're just vanilla garbage?

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ANYONE HAVE THE NECRON TESSERACT VAULT/ OBELISK RULES?!?!?

>>53528644
>The lack of Legion rules is a total buzzkill for me in regards to CSM.

Im pretty sure I heard there were legion rules but no chapter tactics.

>>53528498
>>53528557
You can't advance and charge in the same turn.

>>53528644
They LITERALLY have legion key words dude

>>53528683
The keywords are just for identifying who gets bonuses from characters, they don't actually do anything else currently.

>>53528683
But they're empty right now, likely until the codex comes out. Same with everyone's <subfaction> rules.

so did that anon make the pdf with higher res Tau pics?

>>53528694
Citation needed but ive seen rhat much from cult character special rules

>>53528667

There aren't even marks, man. The only legion rules are legions with models, aka DG, WE, and 1ks, and that's because they're built into the model.

>>53528683
EVERYTHING has the <Cult/Klan/Chapter/Kabal/ect> Keyword. They don't actually do anything.

>>53528594
Thanks

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>>53528674
you can with the tyranid psychic power "onslaught"

>>53528516
http://www.foambymail.com/packaging-foam.html
Or just look into pluck foam in general.

>>53528638
I haven't seen any actual images and I'm not willing to believe anything else due to the sharp increase in trolls around the release of a new edition.

So many leaks now, might as well just release the books.

>>53528738
Watch as everyone gets full rule leaks, and Necrons somehow, miraculously, manage not to get a Faction Focus until after 8e launches. Of all the things to leak, Obelisk and C'tans were not the highest on my list.

Fourth Mega Link is dead.

>>53528732
Fair enough, though it'll only be on one unit at a time so it's not too op.

>>53528773
Necrons have already had a bunch of rules leaked, they're just in spaghetti language.

have csm possessed been leaked yet?

>>53528792
I think so, but I didn't save any chaos stuff since I was scrambling to grab the ork leaks. I recall people not being thrilled

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Guard player here, WHERE THE HELL ARE MY COMBINED SQUADS?!

They've nerfed my poor Russes to shit, heavy weapons en masse is clearly supposed to be the army's strength now. SO WHERE ARE THE PLATOONS!?

AoS killed fantasy.
8th ed killed 40k.
Together they killed GW.
The beast is dead at long last. I give them a year before support starts pulling out.

>>53528818
I forgot their weapon speed

I know they get d3 attacks with *NOT POWER AXES* (s5, ap2 d1) which is like bleh

and they're 22 points per which is 17 points a guy (+5 for their NOT POWER AXE)

but I didn't check their move stat

in powerlevel they seem pointed fine, but points seem shit and bad for possessed

>>53528839
this

>>53528839
There's enough people super happy for no reason other than the fact that this isn't 7th ed that I doubt it will go anywhere.

>>53528839
>aos killed fantasy
no, fantasy killed fantasy, fantasy was dead in the water with dickall to show for sales, aos revitalized their fantasy miniatures

>8th ed killed 40k
this is going to be the biggest launch of games workshop history, arguably even more so than rogue trader

>>53528790
for each psyker, not to mention adrenal gland trygons only needing 8s on 2d6 (42%) to do turn 1 chargers and their buddy troop unit if they have adrenal glands.

>>53528821
What did they do to the Russ?

>>53528839
>over 4000 posts dedicated to 40kg on /tg/
>numerous other threads devoted to 40k

yeah, 40k is totally dead

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>>53528839

AOS is selling better than Fantasy.

8th Edition will likely bring a ton of new players, as well as bring old players who haven't played in a long time back to the game.

I've seen numerous people online say things like "I haven't played since 3rd/4th/5th edition but the new rules make me want to dust off my old [whatever] army", I wouldn't be surprised if this happens a lot. Then they'll look at their shitty old 3rd edition models and they'll want to buy new ones.

GW isn't going anywhere.

>>53528880
made them way more durable and a fuckload better than they were in 7e

Any guard leaks yet?

>>53528839
>I give them a year before support starts pulling out.
-Anon, 2006.

>>53528900
That's what I thought. 3+ save is great, Do we have stat lines for the Punisher cannon?

People are losing their shit. My local facebook GW groups are talking boycotts, setting up private groups to play 7th ed since we cant play in stores anymore.

I thought id seen real shit when fantasy died but holy fuck. I know two people who are selling their armies on gumtree. Our local manager is posting every 5 minutes asking people to stop messaging him.

Every forum I know has exploded. Warseer mods are deleting every thread apparently. dakkadakka looks like a fucking concentration camp survivors reunion.

ITS 6AM.

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED.

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>>53528924

Basically, miniature wargaming attracts a lot of great people, but it also attracts unintelligent, childish, reactionary crybabies.

You are seeing the latter.

>>53528880
>>53528923

There were leaks last thread.

Vanquisher is a six-foot melta and by virtue of the inability for anything single-shot to not oneshot things is even worse than 7e

Battle cannon is as bad as we already know

Eradicator is the exact same as battle cannon except 2 less strength and it ignores cover penalties at half the range

Exterminator is no longer twin linked but didn't get a RoF increase for some retarded reason

Demolisher is crud

Punisher is unchanged, which means it's good now

Executioner is the only one to get buffed; plasma cannon can fire on low power now to not get hot, but high power deals 6 mortal wounds on a 1 and destroys the gun, preventing the tank from using it again.

In short unless they've escaped the points increase that vehicles have been getting across the board, Russes are awful this edition (except the Punisher and Executioner).

>>53528924
sperg. sperg everywhere.

I would advise you to distance yourself from it.

>>53528924
8th ed killed 40k anon

its as balanced as the titanic

>>53528924
The leak of all leaks happened.

What kind of hell do you live in? In my area everyone is just waiting, 40k is kind of on pause but no one is losing their shit.

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>>53528962
that picture

>>53528962
>he didn't even paint them all
his kind will not be missed.

AoS is doing fine. 8th ed will do great. Might thin the herd of a few grognards, but it ain't the end of the world.

>>53528981
yes YES
Bring me ebay deals
everyone at my local is so fucking excited

>>53528970
The mid 2000s called, they want their doomsaying back.

>>53528719
I'm willing to bet they're all place holders for when full codexes come out.
Instead of retro-fitting Legion tactics to stuff without a keyword identifier you'll be able to just say "This is the thing, it counts"

>>53527781
TYRANIDS ARE BACK HAHAHAHAHA FUCK ALL OF YOU WHO SHIT ON THE HIVE MIND LIKE HAHAHAHA CAN YOU EVEN CHARGE WITH OUR RANGE HAHAHA

>>53528924
Update: someone says theyre burning their army. Posting it to youtube. Will link here. I might take today off work if anything people are saying is true. I have to see this shitstorm.

Are there really no more combined squads? Are Chaos really this bad? I feel like the whole world is collapsing.

Strange. Before the BingBongs were awake these threads where calm and hopeful. I guess Brexit has made the Eu really self loathing.

So I haven't played w40k since mid 3ed. No longer have any models left, I think. But the new stuff seems to look nice. Read a bit, about the horrors of past editions. And it seems like 8th is going to be at worse different,and probably better then other editions.
One thing does seem to worry me. I have seen that nowadays there is stuff like titans being played, and I assumed that they are powerful, so people that buy them want to use them. Now points wise I do not know how they cost, but I expect them to cost a lot of points. And here is my problem. Back when I played 1000-1250pts was perfectly viable points range to play. But with the big models runing around, I expect the avarge army cost, in points, to be rather high. So wouldn't the starting point for people to be a bit high? I played WFB much longer then w40k, left way before AoS started, and in my area it died because no new player could buy a 2500pts army to play the avarge battle, neither were old players willing to experiment with new armies when they costed so much to started. Everything got stale and WFB turned in to guys playing the same armies over and over again, with one or two guys trying to start WFB, and failling. And that is with recasts being an option to start an army. Am worried that 8th may go the same way, huge point armies and obligatory big models. I would rather play something like my old army, a few minimax las plas squads with AC terminator support.

Also can someone explain the new marines to me, as far as the fluff goes ? because the stuff on the GW page doesn't say much.

anyone has all the nid rules on pdf?

>>53529011
Oh my god they dont know.

Guys. All the brits dont know yet. Theyre just waking up to all this.

>>53529011
can you please link to these tears ?

>>53529011
The fuck is a "combined squad"?

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>>53528839

>>53528999
trips of truth Y2K was a better doomsday,
desu

>>53528923
Everyone is so hung up on Russ' being more survivable they ignore the fact that battle cannons on average just sorta tickle most units.

>>53529011
Update:Im reading through all the leaked stuff getting posted on fb. Entire fucking codexes it looks like.

Guy claiming going to burn his army only collects Guard and Orks. Apparently they got shafted?

CAN SOMEONE RED PILL ME PLEASE. I AM DYING HERE. GIVE ME THE IMPORTANT SHIT.

>>53528924
TYRANIDS ARE BACK BITCH HAHAHAHA.

>>53528924
Post links to Gumtree, I could do with a cheap army.

>>53528875
That's assuming the opponent deploys at the front of their deployment zone where you only have to get across the 24" no mans land.

>>53529072
All you need to know is that the dark eldar have come for your asshole

>>53529034
'Combined Squads' is literally the backbone of Imperial Guard Infantry strategy.

In the last two editions (probably further but I haven't played that far back) Guard Infantry Platoons can run their 2-5 infantry squads as a single unit, allowing buffs, orders, and morale checks to be spread across a much larger number of troops.

It was literally the single biggest contribution to their staying power; nids and orks got unit sizes in the 20s and 30s, Guard got combined squads.

Without it the largest size of unit in the Guard is 10 models. And it's already been leaked that orders affect one unit.

So without Combined Squads orders are much weaker; in fact literally any buff the guard can give to their units is much weaker.

I'm talking '7e orks' weaker.

>>53529072

People are stupid. People don't like change. People will over react before they understand what's really going on.

>>53529072
Orks are fine, everyone is freaking out too much. Transports are expensive across all armies and ork boyz are 6 pts for 5" M. This apparently is an apocalypse that cannot be handled.

>>53528821
Some qt Guard boys talked me through it think of it this way, priests and commissars give aoe buffs now and you can now fill out the different detachments much easier and cheaper. That way you end up with lots of command points and people who can give orders.

I'm upset too but you can get past it too.

>>53529056

enjoy being obsolete if you're a low priority codex

Deathwatch leaks when?

>>53529021
Nah, you can totally play in the 1000-1250 points range. Anyone bringing super heavy and/or titan units to those games are players you want to avoid anyway. However, 8th does make it so that any unit has at least a chance against the big toys. We have yet to really see anything in practice yet, so it's difficult to make any concrete assertions (although many on here are doing so anyway).

The Primaris Marines were a project started by Guilliman and big daddy tech priest guy Cawl was back before the Heresy. They were bigger, harder, sexier, and more virile than the Marines of old. Shit went down, Guilliman was knocked out, and it all went on hold until now.

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>>53528962

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>>53529072
He sounds like a little bitch, freaking out without having the whole picture. IG orders look great and russes are still the cheapest looking tanks for their firepower and durability.

>>53529091
I'd argue combined squads aren't the greatest idea in 8th. Commisars are an aoe aura instead of having to be inside the unit, orders impact all units 6" away, and if you get charged and fall back you have on giant squad falling back instead of just one small squad and others to provide fire support. Only real benifit I can think of is that it would make them more likely to survive a charge and not let an enemy unit consolidate into other units.

>>53528875
>for each psyker,
Rule of One stops you from using it more than once a turn in matched play. Only Smite and Smite variants get around that.

>>53528608
I would say two medium. It feels like you do want a pretty sizable unit so they have a chance to actually Hit & Run out of a fight, and you don't gain too much from spamming small squads for multiple Helliarchs.

Running a blob of 20 feels like it'll get risky with battleshock, and it also means you can't split the unit up as easily.

10 feels like a good spot to aim for

>>53529118
>1000-1250

Anon, most squads are only 3-6. Very few people are up for those sized games, man.

>>53529122
We haven't seen the points cost of russes, but for what it's worth they're the same "power" as ork battlewagons.

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So now that it's pretty clear Custodes don't have an HQ nor can one of their shield captains act as one how long am I going to have to wait to play my army? Will they put out a detachment that doesn't need an HQ? Will we get an HQ? Am I going to have to wait a year to get a Talons of the Emperor codex because literally nobody gives a shit about it?

>>53529072
I have never seen such a negative reaction to any GW shit, even AoS. The GW facebook page is deleting shit too fast for me to see anything. Local manager has said on facebook he is turning facebook off while he calls head office. I feel so sorry for him.

Oh shit blue shirt in glasgow says hes quitting apparently.

who da fuck playtasted this shit 27 ppm for a flash gitz??!

>>53528970

kek

>sinks anyway

>>53529103
It's not going to work out well.

Orders still affect one unit, and far more importantly, BATTLESHOCK is rolled per-unit. Unless commissars allow you to COMPLETELY ignore battleshock, Guard players will lose squads VERY fast, which is really bad, since they seem to be forced to use the notoriously flimsy Heavy Weapons squad, which allows their heavy firepower to be focused straight out of a gunline, instead of the much tougher 50-man platoon with 5 heavy weapons teams embedded in it.

Combined with the other things that are happening re: cover and melee, Guard are going down in the meta.

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>>53529021

Between Killteam, Shadow War, Storm of Sigmar, and the new AOS Skirmish games GW has been giving people a ton of options for playing games with 200 or so points worth of models. You can get started with all three games for anywhere between $30 and $65 worth of models. Add paint and hobby tools and you're looking at being 100% ready to go for anywhere from fifty to a hundred bucks, which isn't bad as far as hobbies go, and is pretty good for GW games in general.

You'll be able to get the 40K starter set for $128 if you buy it from one of those webstores that does a blanket 20% off of GW products, and that's enough to start playing small games with two armies (or you could sell one of the armies and put that money toward more units for the one you keep).

Dark Vengeance (the 7th edition starter set) is still a great box, and although it's still priced at $110 a lot of stores are likely going to be blowing it out for cheap once 8th hits.

The Start Collecting boxes get you around 4-500 points worth of minis for most armies and are still a pretty good deal.

Getting into Warhammer is cheaper now than it has ever been.

>>53528638
I saw one dude saying they were basically marines with d3 attacks with Power Axes, along with a 5+ invuln

>>53529072
Everyone is claiming their army got nerfed. It's reactionary shitposting at best.

This is like the reverse of Syndrome's plan. When everyone is nerfed... no one will be.

>>53529132

That's where I was leaning, too. The benefit of having one big unit is the shared drug, but if I have 7 drug units, I can double up anyway. The Succubus counts here as do Reavers, so it's it hard.

>>53529148
Can we get the page that lays this out?

>>53528608
God I wish they didn't look dumb.

I personally like units of 10. Big enough to notice when they hit something, not big enough to hurt if they get obliterated, easy enough to move around, you're not missing out on any special weapons from not being max size etc.

>>53529135
The Beauty of keywords,is you can bring any HQ into make your detachment.

If you don't like that sorry I don't know what to tell you man. You knew what you were getting into buying a faction with one unique unit.

>>53529137
BS4+ 24" Heavy3 S5 AP-2 D1 on a W2 platform is not so bad for 27ppm. Think of it this way, nobz are 17 ppm so the snazzgun is effectively 10 ppm.

>>53529136

good. hopefully then the CEO pulls his head out his ass which he's been for the last year. Unlike the last one.

>>53529136
Friend sent me the Tau codex. Im reading it now. Holy shit what has GW done. This is a fucking war crime.

>>53529091
>probably further
Introduced in 5th I think. 4th was the custom regiments edition.

>>53529162
I'm not sure what's worse, everyone complaining that every other army got buffed more than theirs or everyone complaining that their army got nerfed the worst.

>>53529072
We've seen maybe 5 unit profiles for guard with no point values, and maybe 3 profiles for Orks, but with point values for all the units (but no stats)

If he's burning his army now, he's retarded.

>>53529170
There isn't one. That's the problem. Combined Squads isn't mentioned in the abilities listing of Infantry Squads.

As a guard player you have no idea how much this worries me. Guard are one of the big 3 blob armies, right there with Orks and Nids. HOW CAN WE BLOB IF OUR UNIT SIZE IS LIMTED TO TEN MODELS?

>>53529137
Comparable points cost to Scourges with guns. Doesn't seem too bad to me.

>>53529187

You, yeah you, you tripfag shitposter. I see you. I see what you're doing. Stop that shit.

>>53529125
and orders...

orders are now worthless

>>53529148
Commissars reduce Batyleshock casualties to 1 within 6". We know this.

Wait. So you can't move and charge anymore, or is "advancing" the new term for running?

>>53529148
Yeah I get that feeling too. Sad. No more 4++ re-rolling saves in close combat fearless Conscripts. It was fun for the 3 games I got to play with them.

>>53529178
I actually have a significant number of IG and a handful of loyalist SM. Can I just run the Captain with a bunch of Custodes? It'll hurt my beloved fluff, but it's better than not being able to use them at all.

>>53529203
I know, I play Guard too. I want to read it for myself. Do we have the Squad page already?

>>53529162
Necron player here. I'm a fan if what we got. T6 is the perfect balance point - Engageable by small arms fire, but a pain in the ass to do in order to bait people into using bigger guns, to their detriment. New Reanimation is weaker, but so is everyone else. And bringing a Monolith means something again.

>>53529187
I'm assuming that you think it's a mega nerf. This morning when /40kg/ was talking about it the consensus was that tau was dead.

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>>53528962

>>53529212
The latter.

>>53529210
I didn't actually see the leaks, how are they worthless? A 6" range sucks but it's sort of manageable.

>>53529220

yeah, you can grab el capitan and run him with them.

>>53529174

Yea. No special weapons is a HUGE plus in this edition it seems. Scourges are more efficient shooting, but hellions have drugs, shooting, melee, and harassment to make up for it.

>>53529232
Ah, good. I got nervous there for a second.

>>53529133
Going to go on faith that you're not a troll here...

The "power" numbers found in the upper left of datasheets is an entry's "power rating" and is a loose way to build roughly even forces. It's for getting games together quickly.

Full points values still exist if you want to go that route. They are compiled on a separate page, similar to wargear lists of the past, but now all points values are listed in that way. Army points values seem to be fairly comparable to 7th.

>>53529209
>tripfag
has all of /tg/ lost their mind tonight?

>>53529212
Advancing is running, some stuffcan run andcharge but in general you cant run and charge but you can run and fire assault weapons.

>>53529220
Yeah, you can.

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>tfw nobz in a naut

>>53528962
I hope to god he ended up playing AoS and enjoyed it.

>>53529250

I may be quite sleep deprived and somewhat drunk.

Weren't Orks supposed to be better now? Wasn't this supposed to be their edition? Why am I hearing that they're still bad?

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>>53529134
The Italian leaks the other day had russes coming in at just over 150 for a battle cannon and one HBolter. Shit is going to be dope.

>>53529091
Combined Squads Has only been around in the last two books as a solution to kill points.

>>53529125
Each order effects one unit. I think officers are going to be cheep enough that that won't be a problem.

>>53528924
>People are losing their shit. My local facebook GW groups are talking boycotts, setting up private groups to play 7th ed since we cant play in stores anymore.

>setting up private groups to play 7th ed since we cant play in stores anymore.

>play 7th ed

Why the fuck would you choose to play the worst edition in the games history if you were going to go it alone and play an old version. Go back to fifth.

>>53529187
sorry i forgot to remove my name i was too busy sucking scores upon scores of big meaty cock to notice

>>53529209
Its pretty early for me and dven i can tell you this isnt a trip. Thats not how it works anon.

I cant absorb all this info. Everything I read sounds worse and makes less senssle than what came before. If half of this shit is true, then people are right to be upset. Especially Chaos Marines. These have to be fake rules. People are photoshopping these to troll people. Even GW couldn't fuck up this bad.

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>>53529250
perhaps there are a lot of non-tg people here who have been attracted by leaks?
If so-
WELCOME

>>53529187
Tau are perfectly fine, if you weren't a meta-memeing cheeselord who worshipped upon an altar of Riptides.

>>53529224
>>53529203
I'm worried too. I don't want like 10 squads of 10 men. Especially with how deployment works. We would always go second unless we mech up.

>>53529261
People lost their shit because boyz are M5" for 6ppm and upgraded battlewagons are maybe 2/3 as expensive as a landraider. It's nothing, but the shitposting levy had broken and there was naught to do but watch.

>>53529187
Riptides were the real war crime

Enjoy Broadsides that are as durable as new Dreadnoughts

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>>53529220
Yes. Just use the Imperium tag. Alternatively you could use an Inquisitor since they provide bonuses to all Imperial units. Are Custodes Ld 10 already?

>>53529210
Can someone please post orders page I want to verify told its all units within 6 or 1. Because so swear if you're complaining that orders now effects all units within 6 before seeing what voxes do I'll end you.

>>53529224
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvgdMfA37S/

Here's what's out. If Combined Squads was a thing it'd be in the Infantry Squad profile.

Unless there's something elsewhere that I'm missing.

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hope there's something I'm missing.

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Useless spoiler for anons :3

>>53529261
Shitposters and trolls out in force. That's really about it.

>>53529261
Because they're comparing Orks to a theoretical 8e army that only exists in their heads instead of their contemporaries, and the new info looms much larger and more important than all the good stuff they already know.

>>53529283

Riptides just needed some balancing, lots a firepower, appropriately costed
Now it is just... why bother with it

Getting rid of my tau army before the market floods. Which army do you think will be most tourney top 8 viable in 8th? I was thinking necroms.

>>53529292
>new ork leaks
You're doing God's work, anon.

>>53529282
That sounds really really bad though. I'm not trying to troll, but why are Orks more expensive now, but worse somehow?

>>53529292
Are you kidding? I don't know any Ork player that doesn't have a dozen of those. Such great models

>>53529292
>buggies
>watrakks
ah, the ugliest models in the game

>>53529285
Normal guy is 8. Shield Captain is 9.

>>53529162
I've been planning on transitioning from starter set to Dark Eldar, with a unit already under my belt.
This looks like a great time for me to get into DE, fuck everyone crying.

Has a csm weapons cost page been leaked yet?

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>>53529285
>>53529220
Karamozov would be a pretty bitchin Custodes HQ.

>>53529308
send me your stuff

>>53529298
protip, don't use the Ion Accelerator and they're fine.

>>53529298
Tau Tears are best tears

>>53529265
Those don't sound too bad really.

>>53529237
>>53529287
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvgdMfA37S/

>>53529298
6 shittides and now completely worthless. Thanks GW

>>53529292
These things are fucking sick, how many points are they again?

Is this a return to swarms of shitty gorka morka tiny ork vehicles? 3+ to hit in mellee, 6 wounds, t5, and twin rockits or flamers.

Skorchas are going to be crazy.

>>53529272
Ah. You're one of them. Shame.

>>53529308
the best option is to raffle your army off and then off yourself

Someone Ive known for a long time and who introduced me to the hobby, used to work at the store, has very publically announced he is quitting the hobby altogether.

Ive known him since I was barely old enough to talk, if hes quitting, im seriously worried. He is the biggest 40 k player I know.

>>53529272

What are you reading about CSM? I'm curious

>>53529265
>a solution to kill points

Try 'the backbone of Guard infantry strategy'. Any guard army that wasn't running full mechanized included a large platoon, always combined, always the centerpiece of the army. This has been the case since the beginning of 5th.

If that's gone, and there's no serious boost to infantry staying power to replace it, I have no idea how Guard can cope.

>those Russ prices
At least that's a plus. Mechanized Edition? Cheap Russes are good Russes.

>>53529314
Now that I think of it GWs is being pretty stingy with leadership stats. Why is that?

>>53529329
that's what you get for being a faggot, anon.

>>53529347
Call him a retard for spending his entire life obsessing over a tiny toy game then inform him that no one cares.

>>53529347
quitting because of the rules?

>>53529310
>why are Orks more expensive now
they aren't, boyz were 6ppm before, but now have +1 S (but no furious charge)

Anything new on Admec? Saw the Dominus and the Sicarians... really hoping for some Rangers or Vanguard info, curious if they made the anti tank rifles actually good.

>>53529354
Because they hated how useless moral was last edition so they're overcompensating

>>53529292
Oh neat. Glad to see more leaks. These buggies look like a lot of fun. I might have to build a Kult of Speed army with these and Bikerz. The Outrider rule seems hilarious.

>>53529323

Use the HBC, eh

>>53529329

Falseflagging aside, shame

>>53529310
Because M5" is nullified by a lot of other changes, including them being s4 base and being able to re-roll charge rolls.

>>53529298
>appropriately costed
Which it is, you massive faggot. It costs around the same price as a land raider, is about as durable, which, having played around 5 or 6 games of 8th with my group now based on the leaks, is really durable, and has much better shooting
Fuck off you faggot, you haven't rven played a single game of 8th yet and you're already bitching, not just you, but everyone in this thread. And hell, with all the leaks you all have no excuse, you could go and test most army lists with friends. But instead everyone would rather sit and bitch that it's the end of 40k.

>>53529339
No, I am going to move into whatever emerges as the top 8th army and continue to dominate. Even if it means playing stupid ass armies like necroms skellies dudes. If GW wants to nerf me that's fine but I will get revenge.

>>53529298
Because 300 points for that level of durability and some good long range guns is perfectly in line with literally every other heavy vehicle that we're seeing rules for?

You bother with the Riptide because you like the model and want it as a centerpiece to bolster your forces and give them something durable to rally around.

>>53529375
You're the highest order of baby.

>>53529351
I guess foot Guard is dead. Maybe a few units to eat charges. And the rest tanks and maybe ogryn or Bullgryn if they are good at beat sticking.

>>53529349
People are saying no Legion rules = shit CSM because they don't want to wait for a Codex.

>>53529292
>Each Skorcha is equipped with a skorcha.
kek

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>>53529316
Yessir, we have this.

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The game was perfect. Absolutely perfect. What in the fuck is going on.

So now that the 8 edition is kinda out
What special weapons do I take for my pathfinder ?
Ion rifle or the rail weapon ?

So many shit posters it's not even funny.

>>53529285
I'm getting worried now;
Are there no more henchmen? Because I think half my models just got squatted if that's the case

>>53529388

yo dogg

>>53529361
Dont want to copy paste obviously.

summary: New rules looked promising. Leaks show a "fundamental shift" towards using the rulebooks to sell certain models no matter how broken it makes the game. He cites that all the units getting made OP are the ones that never sold and GW probably already has tons of sitting in boxes waiting, so this is just a means to make money on products that wouldnt sell.

>>53529399
it's mostly falseflagging

>>53529396
>The game was perfect
>tau poster
Come roll around in the mud with the rest of us you fucking blue ape

>>53529326
Ya everyone shouting about the sky falling is probably but mad that they can't give First Rank Second Rank to 50 dudes with one officer but there is some potent shit in there for Heavy weapon squads as well and we haven't seen and officer profile yet.

>>53529351
>always combined
Nope, usually maybe but there where plenty of times when deploying separately gave you an advantage in taking and holding points, especially in 5th when vehicles couldn't take them at all.

>>53529397
Tau don't exist in 8th

>>53529354
It's on 1d6 now.

>>53529402
There is. t4 3 wounds, 2+ LOS
for Inquisitor's.

>>53529379
So much this. My one riptide is gonna be standing in the back with my now invincible Broadsides raining down 12 S6 -3AP 1 damage shots along with 8 S5 -1AP 1 damage missiles every turn. With the pathfinder buffs it'll be so easy to get it hitting on 3+S, rerolling 1s, and ignoring cover.

>>53529411
remind him to burn it all and post it to youtube then he should drink bleach

>>53529402
Someone said there are acolytes that have 3 wounds. Doesn't seem like you can make the giant warband like 7th though.

>>53529396
>The game was perfect. Absolutely perfect. What in the fuck is going on.

It was barely a game, and was by far the worst edition of 40k ever released. Almost every army was rock paper scissors, either winning for free or losing without a chance.

That is if the randomness of everything didn't just totally screw you out of any possible way to win.

It was a bad game for retards, this is a hard course correction.

>>53529386

That's 100% true, though. No legions rules killed it for me. Maybe once the Codex drops I'll care again. However, I doubt non-cult legions will get rules anytime soon.

>>53529396
Fuck you, you are the reason we're called the WAACfag army
t. Tau player
>>53529417
And fuck you too, learn to play without riptides

>>53529411
but if a unit is underpowered, it sells less... so if GW balances the rules, it sell more?
so basically the guy is being a colossal faggot

>>53529379

Eh, its guns are okay.
Better off with the SS for your giant guns.

Tides a sweet model though, fun to paint,

>>53529412

Which is still shitposting.

>>53529416
Oh, did I mention that if combined squads are out, so are Infantry platoons, which means an Infantry Squad is organizationally the equivalent of a fucking squad of Space Marines?

Are you ready to take 16 goddamn troops choices to fill out your points total?!

>>53529411
Might I ask what army he played?
>inb4 Tau

>>53529396
Its the biggest shitstorm of all time and for once its fully justified. Imagine all the people not awake yet.

>>53529424
acolytes with 3 wounds? They used to be guardsman stat lines, so that rumor is probably off

>>53529333
A single war buggie is 58 ppm with big shootas

>>53529285
I think I'm going to need to find a way to model a broom with a Lord Commissar's uniform on it leaned up against a chair and use it as my HQ.

>>53529435
I didn't mean to imply that I disagreed with you

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WHERE MY FORKIN ORKY LEAKS

>>53529412
>>53529435
It's probably fags from dakkadakka, whineseer, B&CS and so on coming here for leaks and bitching about it. This shitposting is out of hand, even by our normal standards.

>>53529443
I think it's cause you can only take a handful

any word on IG conscripts?

>>53529429
Foley confirmed all Legion's get rules via Facebook.

>>53529450

Gotcha then. Good to see another man whose still sane up in here.

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>>53529436
I look forward to easily filling this out, so yes

>>53529440
I cant think of an army he doesnt own. He has spent so much in our shop.

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>>53529429

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>>53529402
A bunch of them exist under Ministorum, although reorganized. I don't know if there's a separate Inquisition henchman datasheet too. Seems like there should be.

>>53529442
> its fully justified.

Based on the leaks we've seen who is getting treated better in 8th so far? GK or BA?

I want to play the most balls out Space Marine assault army. I'm tending to lean towards BA.

>>53529457
I usually assume that everyone on other websites think 4chins is 2spooky4posting and that it'll get them on an fbi watch list.

>>53529468
Shut up you cunt. legion rules were flavorful and balanced.

>>53529374
Kindly sage, how durable would you say Rhinos are in 8e? Do they consistently get their cargo to the battle lines? How quickly does a Rhino beef it if the enemy decides they dont want it to be near them?

all these numbers I have are fine but you have practical experience!

>>53529411

How is this any different to releasing new units that were stupid powerful in order to push people into buying them? They've been doing the same thing for ages.

>>53529466
>Heavy Weapons Squads are Heavy support
>Veterans are Elites
Yeah, you're doing that. You're doing that EASILY. You're also going to get your shit pushed in, because one burst from a twinned heavy bolter will turn your heavy weapons squad into burger.

>>53529399
To be fair, that's not uncommon for /40kg/.

Sometimes it's time to just give it away for a couple days.

>>53529436
Are platoons really gone? We haven't actually seen the whole book yet, it may just be on the page before squads.
let me dream

Hey guys, I'm scouring and downloading as much info as I can. I effectively have the complete datasheets for Dark Eldar, bolter bitches and Tau and a good bunch of Primaris, Chaos and orks, but only The Hive Tyrant and Swarmlord for Tyranids, my favorite faction and proud owner of about 7000pts of. Anyone know of any Tyranid leaks I can jump on?

>>53529459
They got axed. Platoons aren't a thing anymore.
>>53529466
Probably what I will do too.

>>53529474
GK are absurdly good.

>>53529411
I mean, he's not totally wrong. There are probably a couple dozen models that had rules so shitty that nobody bought them. Now most units are looking to be between dickcrushingly good and mediocre. Nothing I've seen is pure trash. So now people who like the way they look or like the lore or any dozen of other reasons will be more likely to buy the models because they can actually use them on the TT.

>>53529492
>>53514615

>>53529259
I think he move on and play 9th age. He had a youtube channel. Should be pretty easy to google him.

>>53529494
Platoons aren't a thing? This is a travesty that will not stand, man!

>>53529492
Check the Tyranids Hive, speculation thread starting from page 83.

Is there a full Ork leak yet? I don't understand why everyone with the leaked copies aren't just dumping them all. I would instantly if I had one.

>>53529474
BA seem good and will probably be more well rounded in the end. GK have some powerful stuff but they're more limited and so might not adapt to changes in the metagame as well. I also think BA will get a codex first. I'm biased though.

>>53528911
/thread

I cant handle this anymore. GW has finally killed 40k. Everyone who told us coming and I thought they were just being idiots, they were right.

I need to go to work. I doubt 40k is still a thing by the time I get out of the office at this rate.

Sucks it had to end like this guys.

anyone got a link to BRB rules leak, specificlly matched play?

>>53529485
Lemans for heavy Support or artillery.

>>53529511
Oh shit, AoS doomsayers are leaking!

>>53529411
Because Riptide Wing wasn't in part to sell a shit ton of Riptides.

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> Play Space Marines
> Get to make my own chapter
> Know that they're the highest selling faction
> Know that GW won't nerf them into oblivion so I won't have a shitty army
> Know that GW won't buff them to insanity levels so I'll never get called a WAACfag
> Getting new releases (Primaris Marines, Redemptor Dreadnoughts, who knows what else)
> New ally rules make it easier than ever to add cool IG/Sisters/Whatever models to my army if I want
> New starter set has cool new Marine models in it
> Just let the shitposting wash over me while I patiently wait for June 17th and have a blast with the other guys in my meta

Damn it feels good to be an Imperial.

>>53529503
I'd say wait til you get a Codex, just like all flavors of power armor have to wait except for space vampires, yiffs, and hippies.

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>>53529508
this is what we have. plus the stuff from earlier in the thread

>>53529511

Glad to see you gone shitposter. Have fun at work.

>>53529499
Flash Gitz.

>>53529492
Do you have proper points values/indexes for Sisters?

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>>53529490
>Infantry squads are Troops
>Special Weapons Squads & Veterans are Elites
>Heavy Weapons Squads are Heavy support

I really don't see how, anon. I'm so sorry.

>>53529492
Do you have the Deff Dread, Big Mek or Meganob sheets?

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>>53529511

>>53529522
>Know that GW won't buff them to insanity levels so I'll never get called a WAACfag

We already had 7th edition though

>>53529527
What kills me is the Eldar stuff. They're destroying their own valuable IP by replacing the familiar Eldar brand names with shit like Drukhari and Ynnari and Asuryani.

>>53529483
>Kindly sage, how durable would you say Rhinos are in 8e? Do they consistently get their cargo to the battle lines? How quickly does a Rhino beef it if the enemy decides they dont want it to be near them?
Decent enough to get the job done and maybe hold an objective or fire heavy weapons if a razorback. The lack of the damage chart really helps them, they're good at getting marines where they need to be, which fluff and crunch wise is what they're for. while they die to concetrated fire, 11 wounds and T7 means they're rather resilient to small arms fire. I find they work quite well combined with a turn one strike by something like termies or vangaurd.

>>53529532
>IG players can easily fill out a Brigade and get 9 Command Points in small points games
I'm not seeing what your issue is here

>>53529530
Once again, 24" Heavy3 BS4+ S5 AP-2 D1 on a 2W model is not that bad at 27ppm.

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>>53529364
>Anything new on Admec?

Friend, you don't want to see...I'm serious. Kastellans are possibly better than they were. Phosphor straight up ignores cover now, but since I THINK cover is now just +1 save, it's kind of like it was only it doesn't need to hit to go off, it just ignores all the time. Thing is, Omnispex also ignores. AND Phosphor lost the ability to tag a target so you can reroll charges. Protocols are brutal now, and they can swap between fun things like 2 Fight phases, DOUBLE shooting, or making their 5+ inuln a 4+ invuln. T7, 6 Wounds, and Datasmiths (taken as ICs now) can repair them d3 wounds per turn. Small problem: they are classed as vehicles now and will explode on death, roll a 6 and everything within 6 takes d3 mortal wounds. Ouch.

DON'T worry about those charges though. AdMech is beyond slow now, like fucking glacial. Rangers and Vanguard lost any bonuses or abilities that helped them move: no Relentless, no Crusader, no Dunestrider - they have a flat 6 inches now, period.

Sicarians are 8, which MIGHT help them run for cover before getting shot to pieces with their T3. The motherfucking Sydonian Dragoons are 10. MOVEMENT FUCKING TEN on a walker that is supposed to be a virtual perpetual motion machine. Ballistari are shooting 5+ every time they move. On the plus side they're 3+ if they don't, but go figure the thing is T6, 4+ Sv with 6 wounds. They MIGHT survive one round of bolters. On the plus side Sydonians are now always +3 str with the lances, meaning Str 8 melee - assuming you can make it in with 10 inch moves, lmao.

And finally, the true kick in the balls: Kataphrons and the Dunecrawler.

So these now have a special ability. Kataphrons can still move and shoot heavy weapons with no penalty. Problem is, they can only move D3.

>THAT IS NOT A TYPO, THEIR "ADVANCE" IS LITERALLY ONE TO THREE INCHES.

Better? So is the Dunecrawler. Yes, the Dunecrawler's advance is D3 inches per turn.

>>53529490
Unless Infantry squads or some of those other units have a special rule where they can bubble around the specialist units and force enemies to shoot them first, I don't see it happening

>>53529541
But they're still called that in their books, so why do you care?

>>53529532
>vets are elites
Fuck, I didn't notice that. Rip my mech list. Either run all hoard or all armored.

>>53529514
http://imgur.com/a/gu4pw

>>53529503
The best options we have are taking multiple detachments since we easily fill out the requirements with cheap elites and cheap troops.

>>53529469
>on a 4+ a penitent engine gets to attack again
This tickles my fancy
Although where did people get that this edition is unbalanced
Did they release points costs yet

>>53529541
Where's Cheetah anon to greentext >aeldari and laugh at fags like this when you need him

So... how shit is death guard vs. primaris in the starter box?

>>53529545
Command points better be fucking amazing if I've traded Infantry Platoons for THAT.

So is there any reason to take regular Russes, Demolishers or Vanquishers? Feels like an Exterminator and Annihilator does the same job as those and much better. And what's with plasma cannon sponsons? Overcharge them and you lose the entire tank to a roll of 1.

>>53529564
prob one of the best box, if not the best.

>>53529568
Wait til your fucking Codex Christ.

>>53529558
thanks anon, i knew i read it before but was going crazy trying to find it again.

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>raiders are t5 with a measly 4+ save as opposed to the 3+ from 7th
>technically easier to hurt them with boltguns now than it was in 7th
Am I missing something or how are dark eldar better exactly?

>>53529562
>Although where did people get that this edition is unbalanced
>Did they release points costs yet
Doomsayers who haven't played 8th yet, probably don't even play 40k at all.

I'll be able to take some shots of Indexes today. I can take a few requests (no more than 10) and post them later today, when I came back form work.

Anyone got the IG links? I wanna see how the valks and the vendettas came out

>>53529549
Did you miss the movement stat on the top right? Onagers are moving 8" normally, a D3 run is a buff considering it currently can't run at all.

>>53529549

you a dumbass, that dunecrawler has an 8 inch move, it's run is a d3.

>>53529497
Smite is 1 mortal wound if you're not a psyker or daemon
1 Attack, D3 damage on Strike Squads
No access to primaris marines
Dreadknights fucking suck now. Teleport is nerfed and they are 4 inches slower even at max wounds.

Explain how you think GK are "absurdly good"

>>53529578
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvgdMfA37S/

>>53529549
I just found the info and was about to start dropping pages... this is sad as all hell. Was at least hoping Ranger rifles would have been -1 ap without 6s.

The rest of what you have said, this is painful.

>>53529481
I agree, since I play CSM. You're still being an insufferable infant over it.

>>53529511
See >>53529468

>>53529573
On vehicles if you overcharge you take an unsaveable wound.

>>53529573
We saw the rest of the dataslate. If you get a 1 on overcharging you just lose 6 wounds and can't use the cannons anymore.

Not great, but not instant destruction. Still never really worth doing though.

>>53529582
What do you have pics of? Give us a list so we can choose the things we don't know

So, what's everyone going to play now that 40k is confirmed dead?

>>53529549

Advance is what Run is called now you fucking idiot, it can give up its shooting to move +D3 instead of +D6

The dunecrawler moves 8" normally at full health

>>53529576
I mean how will they fare, points wise, against the primaris?

>>53529582
Ravenwing!

>>53529582
SM special characters and/or crusader squads please.

40k survived a long time but it's finally over

RIP 40k

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>>53529549

With shooting protocols on, even ONE Kastellan with full Phosphor loadout can put out 18 Strength 6, AP -2 shots. 1 Damage and can't move, but with that much firepower, who needs to move if you're running something like Cohort Cybernetica? Assuming it's still in, that would be FOUR Kastellans, meaning SEVENTY TWO shots. INSANITY.

>>53529492
Could you post the swarmy datasheet? Wanna know full details

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>>53529485
>because one burst from a twinned heavy bolter will turn your heavy weapons squad into burger.
And this changes things how? HW squads have always been super squishy, if anything the new cover and AP rules make them more survivable. At least they might get a save before being jibbed by an anti tank gun.

>>53529606
Drop the pages anyways, I want to see.

>>53529586
Because everyone else is even worse.

>>53529587
Thats their index. Not their codex.
Wait until you get actual flavor rules is what I'm saying. It would be 50 bucks a book if they actually tried getting in everything.

>>53529530
Flash Gitz aren't real. Their rules were/are such shit because GWs dropped and broke the molds day one and doesn't want to have to make new ones.

>>53529411
These are just generalist complaints that have been around forever. To me it sounds like he was looking for a reason to quit 40k. Which is perfectly fine. I started in 95 but I've taken breaks of multiple years from the game before myself.

Any leak on Harlequin? And the Solitaire? Look like a few mortal wound and he's gone.

>>53529568

Auto pass morale checks, reroll any one die in a phase, etc

Compared to...having multiple troop choices in one slot, I guess?
Command points are looking pretty decent

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>>53529606
>>53529585
>>53529584

Thanks for the heads up, I'll hold on to my other pages

>>53529604
40k

>>53529616
It changes things because the 50-man gunline you used to get around the flimsy HWS is now gone.

OMG thanks so much! As soon as I'm down infomisering these, I'll move on to Guard and hopfully can post all my collection for others to use and abuse in a day or so!

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>>53529613
> Waaa my WAAC army got squatted
> 40k is dead

Soo boyz can't take heavy armor anymore?

>>53529599
I will take them, and I have acess to all idexes and main rulebook (nothing spectacular really in that one).

>>53529608
>>53529611
will do!

>>53529638

Okay? I don't give a shit, I don't mind waiting to see what my metal men will be like.

>>53529634
The main thing I think you lose is the ability to meatshield specialist units (might still be a special rule like what drones and characters have), and the ability to FRFSRF 50 lasguns with 1 order.

At the same time, Orders also seem easier to pull off, so it might just be a matter of putting them to use elsewhere, like having the HWT re-roll instead

>>53529586

Primaris marines suck

Smite is on every single GK unit that isn't a tank or airplane, it starts to stack really quick

Dreadknights are shooty, dreadnoughts are for fighty

PAGKs look good

Terminators look great

GK heroes are supporty as fuck

They actually look okay so far

>>53529582
Valkyries/Vendettas and Bullgryns, please.

I just want Bullgryns to be good.

>>53529582
I want to know if all Terminator can deep-strikes, so please do

>>53529647
Any of the Nurgle daemons would be nice. Haven't seen anything about them yet. Or daemons in general.

>>53529645
looks like it

>>53529582
Lictors.

>>53529640
Must be part of the noblebright push. I don't want to live in a world where guardsman aren't using hacked up piles of their comrade's corpses as cover.

>>53529645
It'll be a different unit.

Scions scans?

>>53529582
trukks

>splinter weapons still wound on 4+ all non-vehicles
it seems that i still can't play against Drew Carey with my Nids

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>>53529638
BTFO

>>53529647
Scions please?

>>53529652
Yeah GK look like you can pull off some strong tricks to brutalize your opponent's army without consent.

>>53529655

It depends on the actual unit itself but I have not found a single terminator unit that could not deep strike yet

>>53529651

Orders seem really easy since they have 18" range if you stay near your command squad and all your platoon commanders can do the entire range of orders without having to worry about their leadership

>>53529469
no sign of jokero weaponsmiths or daemonhosts yet, and deathcult assassins are now ministorum?

>>53529658
Check out SM leaks. All the options that change a model's armor are now datasheets like Cataphractii Captain.

Can't the combined squads just be a Infantry special rule? In the 7th ed book CS wasn't with the rest of the common abilities, cause it was an Infantry only ability.