I just watched the lion king. And I wonder what would be the

>>53517510
A european lion

>>53517510
Bears, wolves, stags.

>>53517510
Badger kings leading an army of hares, roving nomad shrews, etc. etc.

>>53517510
Snek for best villain

Also fuck adherence to European fauna, put some lions in there. They made into Arthurian Britain, so they can make it into your setting too.

>>53517510
I'd say look at Disney's Robin Hood for examples. The animal chosen for each of the characters almost perfectly fit their personality and role

See Redwall.

Watch "Watership Down".

Badger is underrated Villain.

Rats are underrated protagonists

>>53517675
This, desu.

>>53517510
I also came to say stag.

>>53517904
This, Stags literally have crowns already, and people forget that Bambi was PRINCE of the Forest

>>53517510
Bears as aloof, isolated philosopher kings who only sally from the heart of the forest and into the affairs of the common beasts to administer inevitable and ultimate justice with the crushing swipe of a hoary and weighty paw, followed by a terse but pithy proclamation on the way of things.

>>53517949
>>53517904
>>53517555
The Stag needs to be a sacrificial king. Yes, they're regal and have cultural significance as such in many cultures, but their status as a prey animal is interesting when you think of human sacrifice of celtic nobles and tribal leaders. It'd be a good angle to explore.

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Woofs.

Owl.

Secrets of Nymh style!

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Vultures for aristocrats/kings/lords

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>>53517675
came here to post this

>>53517552

Weren't those cougars though?

Penguins.

>>53518054
If I remember right the pelican was actually a traditional European symbol for self-sacrifice, following a myth that in times of famine the pellican would peck open its own chest to feed its children on its blood. Was a metaphor for Christ, naturally.

>>53517510
A Wolf, Ram, or Hart.

>>53518772
Those are only in the America's. There use to be European lions.

>>53517858
Rats are assholes.

>>53517858
>Badger is underrated Villain
Badgers are bros. I read somewhere they sometimes would live along foxes or rabbits in their lair. Must make the rabbits kinda nervous.
And apparently foxes often are asshole housemates and end trashing the place then leaving.

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>>53519274
Stag symbolism is older.

>>53517510
a wolf probably.

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>>53517858
Yes! listen to this anon, rats are the good guys.

>>53521848
No, fuck you. Rats are the anti jew. Rats are clean, empathetic, familial animals.

>>53517510
I can't speak for Europe but here in Norway
>Bears
Bears just loiter around and don't give a fuck. They make good wardens and protectors if forced into service, but mostly they are just the big bad bully, anti-hero full of himself
>Wolves
Wolves are dying out, but are still pack animals. The only prey on the weak, like sheep and rabbits, so they would make good Bandits roaming the country side, but very disillusioned ones, knowing they have to do it to survive.
>Moose
Moose's are majestic animals, but god damn to they hide. I'm thinking distant royalty which you never knew you had, only showing up to remind everyone else how much more powerful and richer they are.
>Rabbits/Hares
I would say postmen/couriers
>Deer/Horse
Lesser royalty and important people.
>Sea-Hawk/Eagle
Now these guys you don't fucking mess with. They will fuck your shit up, you have to carry a god damn stick on that trail to not get clawed in your eyes. These guys are pure villains
>Seagulls
Henchmen of villains, low-rank criminal scum and dishonest folk.
>Fish
I don't have time to talk about all the fish here, but the cod, salmon, pollock, trout and mackerel I feel make good workers and craftsmen, and obviously seafarers. The shithead Pike is your standard dishonest merchant looking to fuck everyone in the ass

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I present the largest and strongest European animal.

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>>53522442
There is also their distant relative that was artificially introduced for fun
>Muskox
Their just some fags holed up in a mountain pass, that keep killing tourists because they keep walking towards them with flashing cameras.
And they are only dangerous because they instantly accelerate to 40-50km/h and then hit stuff

A nice big red cock for the loud and boisterous king.

>>53522374
>shithead Pike

Jesus anon, what did the pike ever do to you?

>>53522931
This. Cock Emperor of Animalkind.

>>53523007
Pikes are shit, ask any Norwegian. Only edgy angst teens like Pikes

>>53523007

Not even him. We have pike out here in Canada, and they are huge assholes. A pike will eat fucking anything. Previously lakes teeming with different species of fish will freeze over and in the spring there will be nothing but pike left, because the assholes don't hibernate or anything, they stay awake all winter to fucking eat everything else. Then when there are no other kinds of fish they eat each other.

A pike will literally eat the fish you caught on your line, and be pulled up with it because it won't let go.

And they aren't even introduced species. They're indigenous. God help us if someone introduces them somewhere else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynard

>>53521506
>>53521848
I feel bad for you anons because you never got to experience the joys of having a rat as a pet. They are truly the most bro-tier pet a human can hope for.

>>53518772
>Weren't those cougars though?
Nah, Europe used to have honest-to-God actual lions. That's why they're on so many coats of heraldry. According to wiki, cave lions used to live in Europe, but they died out a long time ago, and then later lions from Africa moved up north.

Irish Elk are huge and regal, even if they've been extinct a very long time.

>>53523548
Drunk Irish had sex with them

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>>53523575

>Implying you wouldn't want to fuck this majestic beast.

What about wild boars? Powerful, huge, tough.

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>>53523083
>>53523247
>an entire paragraph defending the pike without a single source

PIDF vandalising wikipedia. Is there no end to their faggotry?

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>>53523736

Like I said, they're indigenous. So its part of the cycle for pike to eat fucking everything and then die off as they eat each other so other shit can move back in. Doesn't make it any less annoying when you're looking for some nice trout only to find your whole lake is filled with these fucking asshole fish with their greasy as fuck meat full of bones

Aurochs have to play some part. Crows and Ravens too.

>>53523918
Is the meat any good? Baked, broiled, or fried? Could it work in a chowder?

>>53518772
>European lions
>Weren't those cougars
Dude what?

>>53524120

Its on the greasy side, and a pain the in the ass to fillet/debone but otherwise its no different than any other white fish.

>>53524120

Not the same guy but no, it's not.

Also what he's talking about with the pike eating everything seems odd to me, but I'm in Canada. There are lakes around here with stable populations of multiple species, including pike. The pike tend to stick to shallows and don't invade the entire lake.

MAN

MAN IS KING OF THE ANIMALS

>>53517510
Now watch Kimba the White Lion (1965) and acknowledge how much Disney ripped there.

>>53525339
I just came back from seeing this new fangled play called "Hamlet" and am writing this Will fellow a stern letter.

>>53525453
>I just came back from seeing this new fangled play called "Hamlet" and am writing this Will fellow a stern letter.
Is that the one with the talking pig? Because I didn't think it was anywhere near as deep as my Lit. teacher says it is.

wren/goldcrest is traditionally the king of the birds.

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>>53521848

>>53517510
In a typical Aesop animal setting fox is the trickster protagonist or villain that is often bullied by a wolf. But a wolf or a bear is also the archetypal wise leader of the forest animals. A lynx would be another trickster.

>>53522442
>>53522540
https://youtu.be/le34ygtODfI

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Classical villain
Best Villain

>>53517510
A bear of course.

>>53523642
Apparently boars, like many oft-hunted animals, got to be as big as 300kg+ in olden days. Supposedly you'd also get packs od 50-80kg wolves in times of plenty.
Now that's a fucking scary thought.

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>>53528178
they still can, pic is from 2011

>>53528264
Proven false as far as I know.

>>53528293
pretty sure its legit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogzilla

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>>53528178

>>53518218
>>53518260
>>53518284
>>53518308
>>53518413
I could see vultures as barons of small parcels of land that are destitute and decaying. Their crumbling castles show only a small part of the faded glory of old. The noble vulture houses are dying out slowly, and those who remain feast on the shells of neighboring baronies to stick around just a little longer.

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>>53528091
Bears are terrifying dude.

>>53528396
What the fuck

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>>53528493

>>53528493
>>53528513
Bears have been observed to punch the heads of elk's clean off.

>>53528513
Where's the fifth finger?

>>53528419
>it's world
Take your shit away from here, please.

>>53531576
What?

>>53517613
Europe used to have Lions anon. They were over hunted like the North african lion or the Asiatic lion and were killed off, but until relatively recently people said they sighted one in Spain for example.

>>53523306
Underscoring this one.

>>53525180
No seriously fuck pikes. Look at their faces, pure evil. You can disregard it as anthro shit to say something like this, but they are predators. My friend's grandma lost a fucking toe to one of them, it mangled the shit out of one of her toes

>>53532223
They also taste awful

>>53517593
Are you deliberately referencing Redwall?

>>53531618
I don't trust infographs with stupid grammar mistakes.

>>53521506
Nah man, rats are one of the few animals who show a high regard for others and natural altruism.

Wild rats are just really hungry from being wild.

>>53524120
Disregard faggots, its alright.
Its no salmon but it tastes good.

>>53532445
No it tastes awful. Where are you from? Unless your country specializes in fish industry I doubt you have the culture for setting fish standards, and people won't understand why Pike is shit because they don't know better

>>53532615
>discussion is now about elitism in food
Kek, next line is: Hitler preferred pike

>>53532653
Kike

>>53528513

how sharp are an animal's claws? They always look pretty blunt to me. Nowhere near razor sharp.

>>53533242
They don't have to be sharp. They are hard, and hook shaped, so their leverage rends flesh.
If you wore a chainmail with padding underneat, you would be safe unless he starts punching you

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>>53517510
>european animal setting
We are all human anon even animals there is no Europe
Pol coming in here again with its racism

>>53533466
>we are all humans
>even animals
Is that you princess ?

>>53518299
Best book series ever

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>>53522073
>Rats are Kosher, religious and self-segregated.

Its like your not even trying.

>>53528419
I have a feeling they wouldn't have had such bony spikes on their face and the face instead would have been wide a flabby, perhaps to provide extra protection when fighting for mates

>>53530953
that's an effective but unhinged head assassin if I've ever seen one

>>53533242
Tie a 15lb bag of dirt to a rope and have a friend swing it into your head. Then attach bent 4 nails to it, even if they are dull. Repeat.

>>53528419
>>53528493
Source? Looks like a cool read desu

Brah, Direwolves. May be extinct, but your setting might not know that.

>>53533825
>Redwall
>Best book series ever
It was pretty great for like two or three books. "Let's do, like, Name of The Rose, mashed up with some Robin Hood, with talking animals!" I'm down.

Then it sorta seemed like he ran out of ideas and proceeded to just write the same damn book over and over again with nameswaps and different animal types at the helm. The later stuff isn't memorable at all.

>>53533522
We are all animals and all animals matter equally
Distinctions between them only exist to form division and eventually supremacists between them
The term human and the differences the term implies only serve to put animals like us on a pedestal so we don't feel bad when we exploit every other animal just because we arbitrarily say they are"below" us

>>53534442
>Let's walk through the forest for 600 pages then eat some candied nuts, fight a northern pike and keep on walking

>>53534576
Can we try to up our bait game a bit, gang?
This is just lazy.

>>53534719
What right do you have exploiting an animal
We all agreed a few hundred years ago that we aren't going to exploit humans anymore
Now we need to catch up to our own moral code and stop exploiting animals of all kinds not just ones who look like us

>>53534594
>Let's walk through the forest for 600 pages then eat some candied nuts, fight a northern pike and keep on walking
Yeah, that's fair, but I mean... most of us on here were probably kids when those books dropped, right? I think I was like 8 when I read Redwall. Gimme a break. At the time, I thought Black Cauldron and Sir MacHinery represented the pinnacle of fantasy literature, and I'd never heard of Eco, so the church-puzzle-labyrinth thing felt totally original.

Plus, "let's walk for 600 pages" basically described LotR, too, so it's not exactly a bad template.

>>53534770
ehhh, that's a little better. A little. I do admire the missing punctuation and the faux-non-english sentence structure, that's a nice touch.

Hedgehog kings rule midnorth of Europe.
Captcha only sitio imlpies San marino/Luxembourg

>>53521658
Badgers eat rabbits, but will sometimes cohabit with foxes or raccoondogs for short periods, particularly over winter.

>>53534594
Walking is a good structure, since if they just walk its boring. If they walk, and something happens, it builds pacing.

Don't know why no one has said it yet, but birds, mostly raptors and other birds of prey are a very exotic and royal seeming pet. Parrots for pirate lords, Vultures for the villains, A great owl for the wizard, etc.

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Fuck this anti-rat sentiment.
Rats would make awesome protagonists, especially if they were forces of good in the world, even in the face of prejudice.

>>53536939
Why have vultures be evil at all?
They're gross but useful scavengers who don't go out of their way to be pricks as far as I know.

Why not make them creepy but nice necromancers/witches who hide out in swamps or boneyards?

>>53537312
One of the neat things I learned about vultures is that they can outright destroy disease and prevent the spread of it, and have extremely strong immune systems. They could easily be used as healers and such. There is even a species of vulture, whose scientific name means purifier.

>>53538366
That's awesome as hell!
That settles it for me. Doing vultures as bad guys is a lame way to do them.

>>53532287
Nobody gives a shit you autistic dumbass.

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>>53538456
They certainly could make good villains, but I think they fit much better as neutral, or good. Vultures are pretty cool birds with several interesting traits

>they don't sing, or really call, they are extremely quiet compared to most other birds.

This could be seen as a good thing, or creepy

>they live in large groups together, families, relatives, friends
>they mate for life, and vultures as a group will punish and show aggression to individuals who try and 'cheat'

Again, a good or bad thing. You could see them all gathered together as possibly cult-like, or as uncomfortably close, large families.

>their stomach acid is extremely strong, able to digest and destroy the likes of anthrax, botulism, cholera

This is in addition to their strong immune system, they are known to projectile vomit when threatened, which would be a bit acidic. They are generally clean birds otherwise, as opposed to what one might believe.

>among birds of prey, they are considered to be very smart and curious, and long lived

Again, could be used to play up either a sense of wisdom, or cruel cunning.

>the highest flying bird in the world is the Ruppel's Griffon Vulture, and has been spotted at 37,000 feet

Could promote them as unnatural, or as being the only animals able to get 'that close to the gods', in addition to their tendency to spread open their wings as though in worship

>they are true scavengers, and virtually never kill or attack anything except in defense of themselves despite being capable of killing

Could paint them as lazy, or as true pacifists outside of defense of themselves or others

>>53532236
he has to be not really a question

>>53539224

I think it'd be cool to portray them as shamanistic isolationists that never kill or attack anything alive and instead ritualistically eat the dead and see it as a generous offering (which some might disagree with) and do it also so that necromancers couldn't use their bodies. They could be powerful healers, too, and consume the plagues inhabiting someone by making a potion with a body part of theirs (the more deadly the poison or disease, the more they'd need, all the way from curing a cold through a bit of hair to needing an arm to cure cancer) and then ingesting the body part.

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>>53539466
One could also have them go full zealout/inquisitor mod if they wanted, they certainly have the flowing mantle/cloak, and visible disgust on their faces for it.

>>53537273
Rats, like lighthouses, have semi-regular threads on /tg/ for some reason.
They're usually very comfy and have tons of ideas for rodent civilizations, you should be able to find some on sup'tg.

>>53523306
muh nigga.

Many mention bears as villains.
I'd prefer them as kings or deities
Bear used to be the king of the forest in Finnish and Sami paganism and their names were not directly mentioned.

The moose is often called the king of the forest in Sweden

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>>53541485
There is a reason for that. First of it has a regal crown
Secondly? The way it moves in hampered terrain, and the extreme speed it moves in normal terrain.

>>53523083
Jedda er en fin fisk.
A pike is a kike. Its actually okay. But its too boney, so you need to fillet it to use it.

>>53541103
I have picked through so much of /suptg/ and there aren't many ratfolk threads saved.
As a big fan of the little it's a bit sad.

>>53538366
Vultures would be a natural match for sin-eaters. You can't have an entire race be one profession though, especially a profession as incredibly niche as sin eating, so maybe on the larger scale, have their culture be one of Old Magic and Old Gods.

Their ancient provider and god of food is called Ford.

>>53528178
They still become huge, especially near cities in europe. No natural enemies and endless supplies of food.

They are an actual danger to humans. Even if they are not radiated.

>>53541286
>and their names were not directly mentioned.
The history behind this is both fascinating and terrifying.
http://www.charlierussellbears.com/LinguisticArchaeology.html

>>53517510
The Bear is the European king of the beasts

Equally feared and respected

Wild boars, grey shrikes, and asp vipers would make for excellent villains in my opinion. If we're going for basic personality traits then the first is a massive beast and foul tempered that's much smarter than it appears and will quite happily disembowel and devour the entrails of those that piss it off, the next is a merciless sociopath that calmly and methodically impales its victims onto thorns and branches and leaves them to die while it goes to collect more food, and the last one is a patient killer that'll slip from the shadows to put you down when you least expect it. I'm more so leaning towards the shrike since you can easily come away with a Vlad the impaler themed villain with that one.

>>53522073
It's true, jews are more like spiders.

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>>53549821
But not jumping spiders. They're innocent.

>>53532287
Oh no, someone mistakenly wrote a homonym rather than the word they intended. That has never happened before in the history of mankind.

>>53548911
Honestly Shrikes are so extra they wouldn't look out of place in a Monster Manual.

They'd make fantastic villains, just imagine your band of brave forest-critter heroes stalking through a dimly lit, foggy forest, only noticing the bodies hanging from the branches after hours of marching as the sun sets...
And they've lost the trail.

>>53533270
>If you wore a chainmail with padding underneat, you would be safe
No, you would get caught on his claws and he would toss you around like a sack of potatoes.

After the force of his swipe broke your ribs.

>>53517552
THANKS ROME!

THANKS FOR KILLING OFF A COOL-AS-FUCK ANIMAL!

I FUCKING HATE YOU GUYS!

>>53517593
>the fierce warrior-king badger
>inexplicably leading platoons of highly disciplined and reserved hares
>allied with pacifist mice moles, and voles
>loosely organized guerilla squirrels
>and oddly well-behaved sailor otters

are neutral toward
>brash river hedgehogs
>absolutely roguish militant commie shrews
>barbarian war birds

who all ally against
>invading armies of rats, weasels, ferrets, minks, and assorted vermin
>fox soothsayers and assassins
>tyrannical pine martens
>foreign barbarian war birds

The whole lot of which are absolutely fucking terrified of
>snakes

Who are all absolutely fucking inferior when compared to the skills and cunning of one
>Stag (hare)

>>53517904
>Always wanted to be a stag, old chap
>y'know
>wot wot

>>53550876
Thats what the padding is for anon.
It doesn't change that bear hunting is a 5-10 man campaign, with reinforced shoulders and at the least 3 sets of weapons.

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>>53551393
American Lions were also a thing.

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Armello's character's and cards are pretty good references, I think.

>>53522540
Muskox are giant goats lmao

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>>53522540
i worked with them at a zoo, theres like less than a hundred specimens left in europe, most of them are inbred and wrecked with disease, theyre gonna go extinct in our lifetimes, pretty fucking sad. They are very interesting animals, a true remnant of the old world

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>>53517510
>not picking the superior animal...
>badger
Chunt's up with that?

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>>53551789
Eyyy.
Armello a best.

TFW you've wanted to do Armello tabletop games but can't ask /tg/ about it because someone would sperg out over furries

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>>53517510
It's not like we lack animal people stories, but I like this one in particular.

>>53555136
Well, It depends really. There is one system centered around furry characters, that seemed to get a fair amount of praise from /tg/. Can't remember the name but the consensus seemed to be that it was a well put together system.

>>53551429
Basil was a real gangsta og

>>53533242
Animals that can't retract their claws don't have sharp claws usually but >>53533242

>>53555136
>>53555647
Mouse Guard is pretty well accepted; Iron Claw's like a 50/50 split.
So long as you keep it on-topic, /tg/ doesn't really react to animal-people, outside of the usual trolls.

>>53533923
Since all we have of most prehistoric animals are just bones or fossils, it's pretty common to depict animals as a lot more skeletal than they probably were.

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>>53557865

>>53551680
>cross land bridge to new continent
>everything is huge
>KILL IT BEFORE IT KILLS US
>actually everything just got cold/dry again

>>53517510
Europe kinda has a weak set of animals.

At least it's not North America, though, which basically has some of Europe's animals and basically nothing impressive of their own.

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>>53537273
Fun fact, that's exactly how rats work in Ironclaw.

>>53517510
>Kings
Considering that the bear was the king of all animals before the lion came along, yeah, i'd say bear

>>53555274
Mah nigga

the secretary gave me some of my earrly boners

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>>53559744

Before the Anatolians & PIE arrived in Europe the first Europeans had a cult based on animal deities

The Bear was the most powerful God and leader of the pantheon, deeply associated with stars for some reason.

>>53555136
Been wanting to do an Armello type TTG for some time. Other than Mouse Guard or Ironclaw, what system would work for it?

>>53561701
Fate would be an easy hack, if that was to your taste.

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>>53561367
Its a pre modern thing. The sky looks completely different without light pollution, and so do moonlight.
And if the night is completely different, what would a polar beast that sleeps trough the dark times be?