Warhammer 40,00 General /40kg/

>>53517508
Why do tyranid flyers looks so fucking ugly?
Hive Crones and Harpies look like fat flying carnifexes.
What was gw thinking?

I have high quality Tau datasheet scans, will post them in ~2 hours (unless somebody else leaks them before that)

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>>53517508
>7th edition will never end

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So I'm thinking i should build an entire dreadnought approximation of a battle company. Something like:

3 talons of regular "tactical" dreads with mixed melee/ ranged weaponry, with each talon led by a venerable "sergeant"

1 talon of "heavy support" mortis dreads with autocannons

3 cc dreads, some combination of furioso and ironclad, for fast attack

3 contemptors for elites, one with dual kheres/ cyclone launcher; one with dual fists; one regular fist/melta guy

A librarian, a chaplain, and a custom built "captain" based on a contemptor body but wielding a ccw and shield.

My question is, do i have a problem and where can i seek help for my addiction to battle bricks?

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Man I just want some harlequin leaks

gib legion of the damned plez

SoB squatted when?

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Lang past oldtimer out of the hobby here:
I'm under the impression that all army "codexes" have been written simultaneously by an at least somewhat coordinated team this time? Thus hopefully dodging the powercreep/"author's favourite army" issues?

It seems almost every army sneakpeek'd so far has had a healthy strength and their old issues looked at? I get the feeling 8th will be great for balance and armies both having wide selections and being on somewhat equal terms in the competitive sense?
You youngins', still in the game, thoughts?

Personal bias: Only the orkz were slightly underwhelming, weren't they? Far from the across the board disappointment they've been up till now, but neither had they an OOMPH on par with the Swarmlord or whatever? Still, they're better than they've ever been for the last 15+ years and I don't think they'll be way behind or anything; I just think GW could've given them something extra...
But whatevs!

What ever happened to sister fister?

Uh, where are sisters new models?

>>53518836
in the deepest bunkers of admech

>>53518785
I think their morale test mitigation is pretty neato and fluffy, also they aren't supposed to have one big [spoiler/] guy who is insanely choppy, they rely on numbers with many more fert on the ground which are all fairly choppy. I get what you mean with nids, swarmlord's fluff is aids but at least the crunch now supposedly fits the fluff. I think orks will be in a pretty decent place this time around.

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>>53517568
>Nids will never be AESTHETIC again

>>53516795
>>53516795
you were half and hour late silly OP
>>53516795
>>53516795
your thread will probably serve when we finish the other one though

>>53518615
You're not alone.
Now, if only iron hands had hq dreadnoughts available...

>Magnus, Ahriman and Exalted Sorcerers know same three powers
>Only one can be used per turn

Kek

>>53518699
GK player here, I know that feel.

>>53518699
Talons player here
I need something

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What is the daily caloric intake of your average warboss?

>>53518699

One more here... Add a wish for more models too

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Any word on loyalist Contemptors? I need to know how fucked they are against the Mega Dreadnought.

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This thing costs 900 points.

On average, it takes 21.1 Lascannon hits to kill it.

It's good weapons stop firing for the rest of the game on a 1, so you have a 1/6 chance for it to do absolutely fucking nothing in every game you take it.

It hits on a 3+ until it loses 10 wounds, and then from there becomes essentially useless.

This is what new 40k considers "balance".

>>53519086
Get used to smiting a lot.

The worst thing about the Sisters leak is that the image they use in the book is of old models :(

>>53519111

>40,000 calories
>93% from cocaine

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PLASTIC WARBOSS KIT
W H E N
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Anon who've managed to check all indexes (mostly orks and chaos) and main rulebook at LGS today.

My first thought is, that everything is shallow as fuck.
Almost non of factions have abilities related to their keywords, no rules for Forgewords on AdMech, no rules for Chapters in SM, no rules for Tau septs, Eldar Craftworlds etc. Nothing.
CSM, especially Thousand Sons, are fucked. Chaos have only 3 psychic powers overall to choose from, and if you manifest one of them, you cannot do that again with other psyker that turn. No special spells for characters (even Magnus), no special spells for gods or legions. If you burn down those 3 spells, everyone else can just cast a smite.
Horrors can be mixed in unit - so pink, blue and brimstones can run in same blob, but you need points for splitting them.
Orks got some issues fixed, but their small walkers like Killa Kans and Deff Dreads won't be seeing much game. Oh, and Stompa have whooping 40 wounds... for 900 pts, 950 fully armed because big guns and choppa is free.
Some guys hyped about their rules for Dark Eldars, IG guy was really dissapointed and started checking DE and AdMech rules as they played them form time to time.
Nids seem to be hot stuff of that edition so far.
AdMech is probably only faction so far with their gimmick already working: they can either pick or roll for their littanies (or something like this - I dont know I've never plated with them outside KT and SW:A), if they pick one of them, you cannot pick it again, but if you roll for it, you accept result even if you already used that one.

posting photo i managed to take to proff I'm not making this shit up - hopefully noone else posted it before.

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>Orks are a melee race!
>M 4

>>53519116
>HUGGGHHHH MMMF
>hello valued community member what do you think of stompas
>BIG SMASHY UNNNNGHHHH
>what would you like to see changed?
>MMMMMMFHPPPHHH I GO POOPY
>how many wounds should it have?
>LOTSA WOUNDS IT DIES TOO FAST UNNNNNNNNGGGGHHH MAKE IT FORTYYYYY FORTY WOUNDS
>well we have to listen to our community and this one autistic mongoloid has spoken, so we better nerf everything else about it

>>53519144

If Orks are the question,
the answer is never.

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>>53518410
except 7th is all around better than what we have seen of 8th which can only be considered an improvement in the sense that it is "balanced" in the same way everyone in North Korea has a balanced diet of flavorless rice and diseased grass

>>53519116
Seems good to me. If Titan level models are ever a "strong choice" in 40k and not just fun lark for friendly games then GW has royally fucked up somewhere.

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>>53519144

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okay guys, i got all books. wont do pictures aside from this one. what do you guys want to know? give me a faction and i go through it completely, points etc

Could someone check what's the bonus for getting the powers in Magnus' profile?

>>53519144
grukk is metal, and awesome, and got squigg, what is your problem anon?
Also, as an ork player, you should be sneaky enough to fix yourself your own custom boss.

>>53519152
Did you happen to notice the toughness or abilities of a Ghost Ark? That's what's going to decide if I keep using my Warriors or fuck off to one of the alternate force orgs.

>>53519197
Guard please. I can't sleep.

>>53519197
How did you get all the books?

Also post shadowseer

>>53519197
Anything you can give me on Custodes is greatly appreciated.

>>53519205
Grukk is plastic.

>>53519197
stop being an elf lover and get out Xenos Index 2

>>53519197
TALONS PLEASE!!!!!
IT WILL BE JUST TWO PICS

>>53519152
What does the Icon of Vengeance do? Are Marks of Chaos just keywords now that confer no bonuses? Do Chaos Lords give any aura buffs or have any special rules? How do Warpsmiths look like? Sorry, pretty hyped.

>>53519086
i believe they said there will be a spell lore for each faction

>>53519197

>ADEPTUS MECHANICUS PRIORITIZING SKITARII
>HARLEQUINS
>ORKS
>EVERYTHING ELSE

>>53519197
Necrons. Please. Especially the Annihilation Barge (Is it REALLY Assault 8?!) and the Ghost Ark.

>>53519197
Craftworlds. I want to see the nerfbat baby!

>>53518167
>one of two factions which is wholly leaked gets leaked again
>is tau
I'm shocked
S H O C K E D

>>53519230
>>53519234
This!!

>>53519197
Scarab Occult's special abilities and how many wounds they have, also the SO Sorc's psy and WS

>>53519197
Oh god, Necron Destroyers please, I need to know if there's anything good in the Necrons at all.

>>53519197
Need guard information.

>>53519197
CSM all day long

So, which nids are worth using now?

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>Joke armys like GSC and Harlequins have their own mention as a separate product
>we have to share our place with others

Im the only one here who is a little hurt by this?

>>53519197
Inquisition. Imperial Agents. Give me a reason to take 3 Inquisitors other than liking the models...

>>53519242
and each spell lore is 3 spells.

>>53519197
Can you do the Nurgle Daemons?

Great Unclean One, Plague Bearers, Beasts and Nurglings

Cheers.

>>53519197
1: Eldar
2: harlequins
3: skitarii
4: daemons

>>53519197
I'd really appreciate Dark Angels, or at least Ravenwing, anon.

>>53519217
don't remember ghost ark but friend of mine hyped that quantum shielding is fucking OP right know, and close to impossible to go thru. Ignores most of damage form multi-damage wounds.

>>53519222
This, I want to know all the Lemon battle tank variants.

>>53518167
You can keep them
Fucking tau player

okay going with talons first give me a sec i get something to drink first, then i post the profiles, points, etc

>>53519197
Any Nurgle daemons.

>captcha asks to identify street signs
>photo only contains a billboard

Billboards are not street signs you fucking robot.

>>53519197

Necrons haven't had a faction focus yet. Do them.

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>>53519197
Imperial Guard Please

>>53519197
IG please. We've seen no leaks till now.

>>53519197
How are the Harlequins?

And the Space Woofs too

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reposting because I didn't realize we moved threads:

>>53518972
>lose 1" Move
were you really thinking about advancing a blob of boyz outside trukks?
>characters are vulnerable
were you really thinking about advancing characters outside trukks?
>battlewagon dies faster
has 16 wounds at T8, and deffrollas are great so there's something for them to do after dropping off troops. that's way better than a razorback and rhino
>stompa
40 wounds is incredible if mekboyz can repair them, otherwise I remain equally unconvinced.

As usual with a horde army you have to see the pts, which we don't have. Sure the warboss, battlewagon and stompa are expensive, but they are our most expensive shit anyway.

I am concerned about how GW is pricing weapons, though. It appears as though they are pricing them based upon their profiles and not upon how well they can be used by the model they are given to. If that's the case then you'll never want to use orks as a ranged army because we'd pay the same for our big shootas as marines pay for their heavy bolters, but we only hit with ours on a 5+. The only weapons that come to mind as being great for orks are burnas/skorchas and rokkit launchers. I remember the scan in one of the earlier threads was misread as d3 wounds, but the rokkit launcher is actually a flat 3, which is great.

>>53519294
They're T6 and quantum shielding does very little.

Your friend is going to have a hard meeting with reality.

>>53519197
Harlequins please :3

>>53519152
They fucking killed kannonz and lobbaz lol

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>>53519197

CSM pls

Ok, I don't see any separate point costs for tau squad leaders (shas'ui for fire warriors or shas'vres for suits). Are they free upgrades now even in matched play? Is this similar for other armies too, like free sergeants etc.?

>>53519294
Old news, I'm afraid.

>>53519304
MAY THE EMPEROR BLESS YOU AND HIS GRACE BE UPON YOU

>>53519197
I'm late to the party and haven't read through the thread yet but please give me some Grey Knights.

>>53519197
Imperial Guard / Astra Militarum please.

>>53519304
>okay going with talons
Oh, for fuck's sake. You're fucking kidding me.

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>>53519152
These are "get you by" lists. Of course they're simpler. I take it you didn't play 40k in the 2nd-3rd transition or whfb in the 5th-6th transition? These rules are a lot more complex than what we saw either of those times, of course they're charging us some money for them this time.

As 8th Ed. Codexes come out fancier rules will be reintroduced.

>>53519197
Just check what is the Psychic bonus Magnus get, other pic was unclear on that one.

>>53519197
Give the Crons some love, then if there's any Admech leaks plz supply. We're desperately starved of knowledge whether we're shit or not.

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>>53519269
>>53519197
This, I just want Scarab Occult so I can start thinking of ways to fix GWs inevitable fuckups.

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>>53519197
Guard. I need to know how hard we got fucked again.

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>>53519197
How AdMech now works.
How Arc weaponry now works.
Chapter Tactics and similar things (first and foremost, did they fix Black Templars?)

Also, no matter what info you post, you are based as fuck.

Also also, you might want to make this a separate thread because this shit is gonna be a lot of posts.

>>53519242
In their profile it says they only know Smite + Dark Hereticus powers

>>53519197
Chaos Space Marines would be quick to do considering we already know a bunch of stuff here https://imgur.com/a/m4L2J.

>>53519324
>They're T6
I thought that was only the Barges?

>>53519077
Eh, I'll just use the rules for Bjorn because let's be honest: this is hardly a powergaming list.

>>53519197
Drukhari! I have a haemonculus covens only army and I am dying to know the stuff

>>53519116

No, it only stops shooting on a 1 of you decide to shoot a second time in the same shooting phase.

1-4 for third shot

>>53519197

What the hell is Drukhari?

>>53519342
It will be very fast anon!

>>53518167
You are exemplar of tau'va, anon.

CHAPTER TACTICS WHEN

>>53519372
Dark Eldar

>>53519372

Pokey Eldar.

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Does anyone think this new edition will let us go back to the good old days.

You know, when 20 space marines, a predator, some terminators and their transport was considered a good army.

Not 30 sternguard min-maxed with 30 combi-weapons in drop pods alpha striking your tanks, and oh +1 to hit because X and oh this special rule because Y.

Can we get some order in 40K again, it's just spiralled out of control. I want troops to actually be that again, the troops of the army, the core. Not a tax for the newest flavour of spam.

>>53519372
New name of the Craftworlds Taxi Service Codex

>>53519116
>why isn't my model invulnerable?
>wtf GW I paid over $100 for it

>>53519365
I wish it was. I have been wondering if it was worth to switch over to gw or ba for a full dread army, but iron hands were perfect for heavy dreadnought lists for 7th. I wonder if anything will change with respect to chapter tactics now.

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>>53519342
>Not wanting the Emperor's finest to be first

>>53519384
Never. They're out, this edition, in return for Captains being worth a goddamn.

>>53519197
WARP TALONS PLS

>>53519197

TYTANIDS please. We know the points, but they rely on their special rules.

>>53519197
I'll try to be specific so that you don't have "Army X" and write random things

>What is the WS and BS of the SW's Claw units?
>Do the SW's Long Fangs and Wolf Scout have something to differentiate them from the devastators and the scouts and show that they are veterans?

>>53519197
Clownpussi

>>53519364
It's everything we know about so far. Command barges, annihilation barges, ghost ark, doomsday ark are ALL T6. Chances are Stalkers will be too. Yes, it's crap.

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>>53519323
>mfw imperial psyker have power to give chosen unit ability to attack first no matter who charged, and whose turn is it

we're rekt again

>>53519397

That sounds like it'd be around a 500-750 point game at this point. You can also set the Power Level caps so you have reason to justify excluding larger things that by all rights should be in larger games.

>>53519397
is that suppose to be dante in front? If so hes really rounded out over the years.

>>53519408
Source?

>>53519358
and the spell lore says a psyker can learn an additional power

have you not played aos?

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>>53519197
Ork points list now, if you please.

Are orks still bad?

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>>53519437
Just a captain.

>>53519304
Thank you based Anon

>>53519450
there's no other spells so far

>>53519197
Guardsmen breh, by the Emperor give us the greatest fighting force of the Imperium

>>53519438
Italy.

>>53519468
Oh cool.

>>53519459
not sure yet

>>53519408
They will be in the SM codex.

>>53519197
Assassins, particularly vindicare and callidus

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>>53519437

I think it's meant to be Tycho or possibly just a generic Captain.

>>53519432

I hope GW provide some guidance on this, ie. at 1500 points nothing about level 20 power. Otherwise autists just think it's Carte blanche to bring 2 Baneblades to a 1200 point game.

>>53519152
THEY FUCKING RUINED KMKS AND TRAKTOR KANNONS FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SMASHA GUNS ARE SOMEHOW WORSE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Finally get diversity for thousand sons psychic powers
>Gets shit on with 8th

So going to enjoy 3 + smite, with the 3 each being limited to 1 per turn

Custodian Guard PL 14
Custodian Guard M 6 WS 2+ BS 3+ S 5 T 5 W 3 A 3 LD 8 SV 2+
Shield Captain M 6 WS 2+ BS 2+ S 5 T 5 W 3 A 4 LD 9 SV 2+

1 Custodian Shield captain and 4 custodians, up to 5 additional custodians

Guardian Spear:
Shooting: 24" rapidfire 1 s4 ap -1 dmg 2
melee s +1 ap -3 dmg d3

guardian blade:
ranged: 12" pistol2 s 4 ap 0 dmg 1
melee: S user ap 3 dmg d3 a model with powerknife and guardian blade gains a additional attack

powerknife:
melee s user ap -2 dmg 1

each model may replace guardian spears for a guardian blade
one may take a vexillium (only one per detatchment)
each custodian that does not has a guardian spear may take a stormshield

5+ invul for all
stormshield 3+ invul
vexillium friendly imperium units within 6" may reroll failed ld tests each model in the vexilliums unit gains +1 attack.

faction: imperium, adeptus custodes
keywords: infantry, custodian guard

points:
custodian 40 pts
powerknife 5
guardian spear 12
guardian blade 9
vexillium 25
stormshield 5

>>53519197
Oh and Canoness Veridyan. Also how'd you get the books so early?

>>53519197
Space Marines please

>>53519548
it will be so much faster to just take pictures, IMO

>>53519197
Oh come on man, are Talons even on that book? Just give us points values for Orks, all the major armies got them leaked.

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>>53519459

Magnus can move 24" with Warpflame, land next to character, slap him with either D6 or 2D6 plus 1.5 more mortal wounds, then charge something while autohitting thanks to Prescience with his 7 S16 -4 3 attacks.

It depends on how reliable he can get hat 2d6, but he does seem pretty powerful still.

His army not being able to use spells is dumb, however.

>>53519197

Rough riders for guards. They have never had good rules but GW claims they finally fixed them.

>>53519548
Elites I assume?

>>53519548
Not those talons, WARP TALONS!

>>53519111

Space Marines are 700 lbs
Ork boyz are of comparable natural body strength, so they probably weigh around the same.

Ork boyz are about 6'5 feet tall I believe (unhunched)

Let's progress this up linearly to Warboss size, giving 9 lbs of weight for each inch for an extra 279 lbs and weighing the Warboss in at just shy of a ton.

Now we plug the following into a caloric intake calculator:

>Sex: Male
>Height: 9 feet
>Weight: 979 pounds
>Goal: Muscle Gain (since Orks continue to grow)
>Activity Level: Extra Active (fighting battles and keeping the boyz and nobz in line)

Which gives a target of 10,819 calories a day.

>>53519555
Certain stores that pre-ordered large amounts of product were guaranteed to get it early so they could set it up and hype up things.
>>53519563
Guard didn't. As much as I hate them personally, they are a fairly major army.

>>53519562
He probably can't because of NDAs

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>>53519590
How can you hate the most honest army in the game?

>>53519537
>power level 3
I think it's okay

>>53519548
Elites, or Troops? Are there any HQs with the Talons of the Emperor keyword?

>>53519548
Could you do pics?

>>53519197
noise marines and sonic weapon stats

>>53519548
Rhino stats and options plx

>>53519152
This doesn't seem especially encouraging, I'll see how it plays out when the everything is out in the open, but some of the new stuff is really good and some is abhorrently fucking bland (dry-uncooked oatmeal type of bland).

>>53519548
>3 wounds
what a disappointment

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>>53519152
Shit. I'm really glad I didn't waste money on those mek gunz models. Those are all complete ass unless they're dirt cheap.
Maybe it's time I start collecting a non-joke faction...

>>53519614
Take a tau player, kick the weeb out of him and turn up the HFY and autism to 11.

>>53519614
I've known too many jackasses who played them and decided that because their guys were shit in-universe, they were awesome for /daring/ to play such underdogs. There's no nobility in playing an underdog when you can, for the same effort, not do so.

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>>53519587

>>53519548
Plaguebearers stats and points

>>53519641
>statted rokkit pistols
holy shit, this is the best edition
I've also already modelled a load of tankbustas with that loadout

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>>53519152

>>53519343
That's what I was thinking. It's just like the placeholder army lists from the back of the 3rd edition rulebook.

>>53519641
Nice, tankbustas are even worse now

>>53519620
Don't be retarded.

>>53519641
>Tankhammer
Thats kinda funny, also glad i modeled some Tankbustas with Rokkit pistols just because I didnt have any more Rokkit Launchas

>>53519689
suicide squigs best squigs
also hitting on 2+

>>53519548
Three wounds is somewhat concerning considering their cost with a spear and knife is 7 points higher than it is now. I suppose cheaper storm shield make it better.

An anon said earlier that they'll be able to make saves against mortal wounds. Is that true?

Regardless though, thank you.

>>53519694
Oops make that a 3+ for the lascannon. Still pretty fucking poor.

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>>53519539
>ran a flavorful army with 9 sorcerers each of whom specialized in their own discipline and I gave them all names and such (dedicated pyromancer, dedicated biomancer, warlord was always sinistrum, etc.)
>now all are just generic smite spammers and the lucky ones may know 1 or 2 powers tops which could not even be any good
I know the pain

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>>53519641
>Remove the bearer
>Remove the bearer

Hahahhahahahahahaha Orks worse than 7th edition Ork tier

>>53519459
They got some of their biggest problems fixed, but without points, it's hard to say.

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>>53519587
square-cube law would make him a lot heavier

V1*(l2/l1)^3
317kg*( 2.7432m/1,9812m)^3
=841,48kg
or 1855 pounds

>>53519548
cont.

Venerable Contemptor Dreadnought Pl 8:
M * WS * BS * S 7 T 7 W 10 A 4 LD 8 SV 3+
wounds :
6-10+ = M 9 WS 2+ BS 2+
3-5 = M 6 WS 3+ BS 3+
1-2 = M 6 WS 4+ BS 4+

kheres pattern assaultcannon :
24" heavy 6 S 7 AP -1 dmg 1
TL boltgun:
24" rapidfire 2 s 4 ap 0 dmg 1
multimelta:
24" heavy 1 s 8 ap -4 dmg d6 if the target is within halve range roll 2d6 for dmg, take the highest result (wont explain it in upcoming posts any more)
dreadnought close combat weapon:
melee s x2 ap -3 dmg 3

has a 5+ invul
venerable: for each dmg suffered roll a d6. on a 6 he wont suffer a wound
explosion: if reduced to 0 W roll a d6 on a 6 every unit within 6" suffers d3 mortal wounds

venerable dread 100 pts
kheres pattern assault cannon 25 pts
multimelta 27 pts
TL boltgun 2 pts
dreadnought close combat weapon 40 pts
faction: imperium, adeptus custodes
keywords: vehicle, dreadnought, venerable contemptor dreadnought

>>53519548
Troops or Elites?
No HQ?
How are we supposed to field them as an autonomous faction?

Any info on salamander stuff?

>>53519694
I'm pretty convinced that figuring out the bubblechucka won't be that hard could end up pretty good against anything below vehicle toughness.

>>53519740
how to spot tau player 101

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> Flyers are now "hard to hit" with only -1 to hit
> Flamers autohit
>mfw flamers are now best AA weapons

BEST EDITION GW, gg no re

>>53519548
wait a sec, are they no longer bulky? does it say anything about how they interact with transports?

>>53519658
>>53519656

Fair points.
I play guard cause I played Terran in Starcraft and went my friends started playing DoW I just moved over to the closest things, but I can see your points.

But the idea of a wave of guys with guns followed by huge cannons gets my nethers all tingly.

>>53519587

So like boogies intake

>>53519708
Still great, but I have a feeling they're going to be way more expensive.

>>53519755
For reference that's Eddie Hall, guy is 6'3" and weighs 30 stone.

>>53519750
You have my attention.
>>53519763
Force org slots?

>>53519780
Bulky no longer exists. Transports will tell you what the restrictions are on the datasheet.

>>53519769
If you're willing to put up with fat autismals chuckling between gagging on their own autism as they make it a "1" somewhere, yeah.

>>53519750
Correct me if i'm wrong, but has the dominus repair ability just gotten even better ?? i am a happy man

>>53519694
I know the conversion rate isn't very clear, but at 3 power it can't have a very high base cost.

How do you Ork players even pretend to enjoy this game with how much you get shat on.

You're like pathetic battered wives who keep going back because "maybe he'll change".

Your army is a joke, and not the funny kind.

>>53519750
Hey, that's pretty nice. Reroll aura is basic but does let us Overcharge plasma calivers and PlasmaPhrons all day every day, guns remain nice and he trades a point of Invuln for D3 regen.

>>53519763

i wont do pictures as i said, its not about speed its about my books beeing marked take it or leave it.

custodian guards are troops, dread is elite

will post some profiles of various units, from different books

>>53519797
sheet, thanks

>>53519614
Not the guy you're replying to, but I grew to hate IG because I can't find a player who isn't an obnoxious social outcast.
And before you say pretty much everyone who plays WH is like that, you have to realize that the average players at my GW store are well, normal people of all kinds.
Pretty much everyone is an average guy and we have a pretty huge social circle even outside of the hobby by now. Everyone is friendly and usually pleasant to be around.
And then there's Guard players.
They come in, exclusively talk about the guard, about guard memes they found, reference 4chan all fucking day long, talk more about the guard, and you really get the drift. And they usually spout their alt-right rethoric in presence of kids and people that well, just want to play a friendly game without seeing any provocative swastikas or hitler models, and without having to hear the same old /pol/ stuff about Trump, Le Pen, or whatever is the political issue at the moment.
And don't get me wrong, I don't mind people having different political views as me, but there's a limit in how much you can bring politics into stuff.
And if you can't talk about anything but imperial guard memes, 4chan and politics, then you end up being a pain in the ass for anyone.
And sadly, that's almost every single IG player at our store. And on the internet, desu

Can we get some Nurgle Daemon rules?

>>53519801
>dealing with autism
I already deal with my own, it'll be fine.

>>53519820
spotted the salty WAAC tau player

>>53519734
Can't you soak individual Lascannons shots on the grots? They're still part of the unit and defender chooses.

>>53519694
there's a lobba profile. They made mek guns and just ork guns or something like this, like no-special-effects guns.

>>53519822
reposting for visibility.

Can we get a look at what the CSM icon of vengeance does and the Warpsmith stats?

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Is there any reason the other Ork walkers aside from the Deff Dread don't have more than two combat arms?

Also, is it true that a Genestealer Cult managed to build a six-limbed Gargant somewhere in the Octarius sector and used it to swat down some Vostroyan regiment?

If so, how is it that didn't stand out enough to warrant investigation by other Orks on the matter? Or can Gork and Mork have more than one set of arms and fists for krumpin?

>>53519822
What are the standard Ork Boy's stats?

>>53519750
>can repair any AdMech unit for D3 wounds without rolling for it
>AND always repairs himself for D3 wounds
>AND gives you the basic re-roll 1s Canticle permanently

HOLY SHIT this is glorious.
What the fuck kind of crap will Cawl have if normal Domini are THAT pushed already?

>>53519197
POINTS
OF
BOYZ

>>53519775
10/10 post

>>53519807
Stuff has more wounds, so given 3W went to 5W and it's on average twice as good then it got a very slight buff. Can't cast it on himself, but he does that anyway so no big deal.

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>>53519820
I convert and paint models and dont play the game

>>53519763
Hmmm. Contemptors are actually cheaper by 48 points now.

>>53519872
I feel like I've asked you this, but I don't remember the answer: what blue is that?

>>53519820
Because I like stuff that maybe works and maybe don't. I might just be the only guy who's actually happy about the randomness of pretty much everything in the new ed.

>>53519867
Also doesn't lose him a weapon when he does it and ALWAYS does it now.

He was buffed significantly.

>>53519813
The conversion rate is ~19-21 points per power level, so far, on average.

That means these pieces of shit are probably 50-60 points.

Do you know what you can get for 50-60 points? Neither do I, but I'm betting it'll be a shit lot better than this.

>>53519763
>Contemptors are cheaper and better than Annihilation Barges

Fucking end my life

>>53519863
6 points per boy, 8 points per stormboy.

>>53519889
caledor sky, teclis, baharroth

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BOYZ

>>53519855
orkish titans are made to resemble their gods, how many gits do you see with 4 arms?
but it's mainly an arbitrary choice from the designers

the orks were infected, infected orks are generally marginalised from the main society, meaning they were away from the normal orks that would have investigated (read:"krump the unorkies ta bug bits")

>>53519865
>>53519775
I think he is on to something here

>>53519906
>>53519931
>6 points per boy
RIP

>>53519763
Azrael please. Can he stand toe to toe with other chapter masters in melee now?

>>53519931
The Harlequin troupe, please

>>53519750
That reroll 1's is gonna be great, I'm praying that Skitarii have the forge world tag now, knowing GW's autism there's a chance my glorious plans for a combined Admech assault army could be fucked if they fuck the keywords up.

Any leaks for Aeldari™ or Drukhari™? I want to see the edgelords buffed

>>53519822
I'll suck your dick for Ravenwing.

No hard boyz or kannons? :C

Would love to see how Inquisitors work in 8th. Any Acolyte type unit also?

Basically, I'm asking for the not-sisters-or-priests imperial agents.

>>53519931
Nobs still confirmed as 6+ save.

That Mad Dok regen though sounds tasty.

>>53519755
In that case he needs 17.5k calories

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Any translators around?

>>53519962
Without even seeing the Skitarii rules, they'll 100% have Imperium, Adeptus Mechanicus, Skitarii and <Forge World> keywords. AdMech were pretty much the faction that was most in need of keywords.

>>53519931
Anon please post the Maleceptor I need to know if it's still the worst unit in the game

>>53519775
>tfw I remember the oldest of rumours about the 6th ed nid codex talking about the pyrovore becoming their dedicated anti aerial unit
The memes, jack, they return

>>53519826
I can agree and corroborate a lot of this

>go to the local game store to play
>DKoK alt-righters are lobbying nazi jokes at volume across the entire store the entire time

There's like a hundred fucking war games already in existence where you can hotglue your nazi minis before transferring your retirement funds into bitcoin. Why do they need to shoehorn it into a fucking sci-fi game

>>53519641
>>53519698
>4 power
Isn't that like 8pts a model? 8pts for a ~BS3 Rokkit is great.

Suicide squigs and boys is fun too.

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Post Leman Russ tank stats please!

>>53520016
not my pic. found elsewhere

>>53519931
Expensive, no 4+ save, M 5, benefit of +1 attack only lasts for 10 wounds.

Oh look, Orks are still shit.

Please boss can I can some Nurgle Daemon rules?

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>>53519931
Where were you when Ork Boyz became the only good unit in the Ork Codex, but simultaneously became the best unit in the game?

>>53519153
Reminder - you are a tremendous faggot if you use this gay ass pic for anything

>>53519931
thanks
any chance for gretchin as well?

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>>53519968
Fug, forgot about picture for +5 to attention

>>53519931
Alright anon let me see DeffKoptas, Bikes, and Dreads so I can give up hope completely.

>>53520013
Thank Christ for that. Now when their smashy units get leaked I can finally rest at ease or throw my shit across the room in rage when I realise my assault army of tin men and angry blue men will never be a reality.

>>53520043
>Take 10 wounds
>No benefit

Mk...

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I've been thinking about this for quite some time. (Ok just a few hours)

There isn't any Blood Angels khorne worshiping traitor warband/chapter?

Because sounds weird, I mean, should be one at least.

>>53520016
its in the tyranid thread anon
it's pretty good, it basically just hands out mortal wounds like candy to everything near it, bad against blobs of enemies and great against elites and solo units.

Where are all the aeldari leaks indeed? Everything seems to drop out except them. Especially curious regarding the Ynnari

>>53519854
icons:
khorne: reroll charge range
tzeentch: for each icon roll a d6 on a 6 a enemy unit within 12" suffers a mortal wound
slaanesh: death to the false emperor works on 5+ instead of 6+
nurgle: enemy units within 3" have -1 ld
undivided: +1ld for the unit

>>53519858
boys: troops, Pl 5
M 5 WS 3+ BS 5+ S 4 T 4 W 1 A 2 LD 6 SV 6+
nob has +1 w, attacks and ld

choppa: melee s user ap 0 dmg 1, may do a additional attack with the choppa in CC
stikkbomb: 6" greande d6 s 3 ap 0 dmg 1
pistol: 12" pistol 1 s 4 ap 0 dmg 1
gun: 18" assault 2 s 4 ap 0 dmg 1

nob may take choppy weapons or from the dakka list (sorry hard for me to translate this to english )
for each 10 boys one may take a heavy weapon

boy 6 pts
pistol 0 pts
gun 0 pts
choppa 0 pts

here we go: reroll charges
green mob: you may take the amount of models in the unit for the LD value (so 30 boys = ld 30) also you may use any ld of allied ork units within 6" (this counts for all ork units btw)
if the unit is 20 or more boys, each model in the unit adds +1 attack

Anyone got a collage of GW saying how amazing Orks are going to be in 8th from Facebook?

>>53519152
Okay we know your lying because 6 psychic powers have already been revealed for CSM. 3 for burgle so there are rules for god spells.

>>53520041
Seconding all nurgle requests and furthering for all special rules involving daemons/chaos

>>53520066
I think the Knights of Blood or some shit like that are a renegade BA successor but not Khornate, I've never heard of Khorne BA chapters before anyway.

>>53520019
Dude, it's the exact same. It's ALWAYS IG guys who want to play DKoK/Have some DKoK.
And it's always about painting them like an existing army or existing regiment or whatever.
Like, just stick to historic wargaming if you're venturing into sci-fi but exclusively play not-WWI or not-WWII stuff.

Were the space marine rules leaked?

>>53520001

>you cant speak taco?

I was going to read it and translate it but the pic is too blurry, can't see

>>53519931

Since when has Grotsnik been a Dethskull? I thought he was always a Goth?

>>53519931
No more 'eavy armour? Well I guess I'm glad they aren't my only army then.

>>53519327
>Index Xenos
>Xenos
you're a special kind of retard aren't you?

>>53520081
Thanks amigo.

>>53519903
>50-60 points
50-60 pts for a Battle Cannon with gets hot is pretty alright.

They're cheap enough to not sweat about losing a bunch and fairly tough at that price tag.

>>53520101
Goff*

And yeah you're right. I have no idea why this is.

>>53520019
To be fair progressive types think spreading their politics is their raison d'etre and do it at any time in any setting as well.

>>53519931
>Green Tide: If this unit includes 20 or more models, add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of each model

>>53520043
Pretty sure I was in 4th ed

>>53520106
Can you read? The post said all books.

>>53520122
No different to a regular 4 attack 7th edition boy.

>>53520101
>>53520112
He was always a Deathskull

>>53519931
>1st turn assault
>Murder all of the things

>>53520081
>Slaanesh

Oh come on, everyone else is universal. DTFE only works on Imperials.

Orks are still bad. Guess ill wait till next edition

>>53519740
Can you BE more of a faggot?

warrior acolytes are 1-5 man size now. they can give friendly inquisitors basicly look out sir on a 2+
each has 3 wounds and 2 attacks base. hits on 4+

every one of them can have combi weapons they also cost 8 pts base now


jokaero are unit size 1 with 3 wounds aswell. their shooting got shit though

its either 24" heavy 1 s 7 ap -3 dmg d3
or 12" assault 5 s 4 ap -1 dmg 1

Kastallan Robots please!!!!!!!!

>>53520146
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grotsnik

Zero mention.

>>53520001
This was already done on a beter picture, so here you go:

M:* WS:6+ BS:* S:8 T:8 W:20 A:3 L:10 S:3+

TABLE:
Wounds--M--BS--Portal of Exile
11-20+--6"--4+--4+
6-10--5"--5+--5+
1-5--4"--6+--6+

Heavy Gauss Arc: R:24" Heavy 3 S:5 AP:-2 D:1
Particle Whip: R:24" Heavy 6 S:8 AP:-2 D3

LIVING METAL: (Pg. 84)

EXPLOSION: If the Miniature is reduced to 0 wounds, roll a D6 before it is removed from the battlefield. On a 6, units in 6" take D6 mortal wounds

FLOATING FORTRESS: This miniature can move and shoot heavy weapons without suffering the penalty to shoot to impact

GRAVITIC: always measure the distances and reaches from and to the helmet is this miniature, even if it has a base

FALLING DEATH: During deployment, you can place a monolith in the upper atmosphere instead of deploying it on the battlefield. At the end of any Movement phase you can set this model up anywhere more than 12" from an enemy model.

PORTAL OF EXILE: When a unit charges the monolith other than a monster or a vehicle, its exile portal activates. Compare with the required value is the table above. If the roll has exceeded, the unit that is charged suffers D6 mortal wounds

GATE OF ETERNITY: When deploying a miniature, at the same time you can place any number of <Dynasty> Infantry units in a necropolis world instead of deploying it in battle. Before the monolith moves in one of your Movement phases a single unit that you have placed in your necropolis city can be transported to the battlefield for the monolith. Deploy the unit so that it is completely within 5 "or less of the monolith and more than 1" of the enemy. If all Night Scythes and Monoliths are destroyed, the units that remain in the necropolis world are considered as eliminated.

>>53519826
+1
I stopped going to the local FLGS, because the 5 IG players kept scaring away everybody else, by being obnoxious little shits. They spent the most money bar none in the store, so the store owner didn't throw them out.

We just got us a set up for normal people, in a garage owned by one of the regular customers, and play there. Even the two Taufags are not even remotely close to the same level of autism that haunts the IG players.

Pretty sad to say I haven't met even 1 who was a normal human being. But of course, the HFY attitude practically requires an obscene amount of autism to begin with, so I suppose it makes sense.

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>>53520159
>He's an Ork player

>>53520157
By next edition do you mean the update next year?

>>53519197
...Can I please know how many wounds Grey Knight Paladins have? I am terrified to hear only 3.

>>53520143
You only got that on the charge, friend

>>53520094
It is imminently important to these people that they get to re-litigate the spanish civil war through vicarious role-playing of fascists in a fantasy setting where fascism is constantly lampooned

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I'd love to see Dark Eldar Reaver Jetbikes be posted.

>>53520101
>>53520112
>>53520146
>mad dok grotsnik
>the guy who planted a bomb in every nobz head that wanted a metal skull like ghazghkulls
>blew each and every one up when they wanted refunds
>not a deathskull
/tg/ is shit at orkz

>>53520161
> Each Warrior Acolyte has 3 wounds base

Er, do you mean each Inquisitor? Also, any buffs the Inquisitors give out?

>>53520171
Read a codex instead of a wiki

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>>53519197
Black Templars please, I need to know at least how has the Emperor's Champion changed if at all but would be thankful for chapter tactics and to know how the other characters work now.

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How do Ynnari work? They're a separate army, but they only have three models that are their own. Can you still mix other Aeldari together with them?

>>53520183
Update? Don't you mean copy and paste job?

>>53520102
I'm sure 'eavy armor boys are just a different unit choice, since a regular warboss and a warboss in mega-armor have different unit templates.

>>53520120
When I see Tau players unironically spreading communist propaganda in the FLGS you'll be the first to know pal

What a remarkable complaint for a hobby that many people on this board even deny women play period

>>53520019
>>53519826
The one guard player I know is a self-described nazi who says he hates gays and has a boyfriend.

He plays kreig.

Honestly never thought to make the connection.

>>53520190
And now you only get it if you haven't taken 10 wounds on your 6+ 6++, friend.

You just lost a lot of fighting power as you near game finish.

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>>53519641
Nice, tankbustas look much better now. Rerolls to hit against vehicles with S8 AP2 D3 rokkits is great, and bomb squigs could potentially be decent depending on points. Tankhammers are clearly just a gimmick weapon, though, unless they're really cheap.
>>53519820
Love of the faction.
>>53519826
Interesting, where I play Guard players are mostly bro-tier younger guys or middle aged men who got bored of space marines.
Chaos players are the pock-marked living neckbeard stereotypes who act like what you describe.
>>53519931
Holy shit is that 3+ to hit and s4 base I see, while still retaining 2 attacks base? AND A FUCKING BONUS ATTACK FOR BIG MOBS?
BOYZ CONFIRMED FOR BEING BACK IN TOWN

>>53520171
>Relying on some shit wiki

This is why you don't know the fluff

protip: 1d4chan is not a substitute for a codex

BookAnon, please! I need some Inquisition info. Or just Imperial Agents in general? I'd also settle for some chamber militant info besides sisters

>>53520157
they are actually nice currently. some really nice stuff inside. the psychic powers are also really good:


headbutt: WC 6 roll a d6 and take a enemy model within 9" if the d6 roll is higher than the enemys toughness, the enemy model is slain instantly

warpath: WC 7 a friendly ork unit within 6" gains +1 attack

da jup: wc 7 a friendly ork infantry unit within 6" may be teleported anywhere on the field but has to be at least 9" from the enemy.

>>53520027
No, it's about x20 for points. 80 points for 5 tankbustas. 12 each. 60 points to add another 5, etc.

>>53520275
ayy ork mind bullets are better than ahriman

>>53520182
>tries to be funny
>is just a giant faggot
KYS

Anyone know the base point costs of tactical marines?

>>53519826
>>53520177
That sucks.

All the guard players I know are bro ex military dudes.

>>53520253
>Tankhammers are clearly just a gimmick weapon
>D3 mortal wounds
we'll have to see how hard it is to bring down some bigger models in practice, but d3 unsavable wounds could be the difference between crippling a knight or knight equivalent by bringing it down a stat tier. Actually, now that I think about it they should probably be considered character killers, d3 mortal wounds to a character is no joke.

>>53520253
They kill themselves, they cost more, they're shit.

The three things I seem to be saying about every single Ork unit so far, except Boyz.

No matter, I've always been a horde infantry player, I guess that's not changing.

>>53520081
>30 boyz with choppas
>121 attacks in combat
>30 pistol shots

Dear god.

>>53520313
13

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>>53519931
Power 5? So they expect a typical mob of ten boys to be at least 90 points... also, power 4 for each extra ten, so that's at least 70, as far as I can tell.

Boss Nob is probably 10 points, which actually seems fair; he's got a pretty nice profile. Ld 7 is unexpectedly good.

There must be at least ten points on the boys themselves, so I'm guessing either shootas still cost a point or the BS/RL is 10 points or more. That's just kicking us while we're already down from the base cost...

That leaves 10-30 points for the nob's weapons. Assuming a power klaw is typical, that doesn't seem unreasonable.

Overall, it hurts, but there is still some faint hope remaining.

>>53520188
2

>>53520275
>da jump
Nothing about the weirdboy himself having to teleport? If so that's fucking amazing, guy can just sit there shunting your 30 man mobz up the board.

>>53520313
13 for CSM tacs, likely the same for loyalists.

>>53520315
Isn't that all imperial guard players? Because that's the same for me too.

>>53520275
+1 attack or +1 attack per model for warpath?

>>53520329
If they don't lose anything to overwatch. Which they will.

But then again, they get to shoot their pistols in combat... and also in the shooting phase.

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>>53520302
I'm not trying to be funny I'm mocking you and your choices in life.

Like getting so upset that Orks are shit in yet ANOTHER edition that you tell strangers to go kill them selves.

>He's an Ork player

>>53519826
Am can confirm based Dem-Soc guard player.
Zero alt-right guard players at my store (but at least one waacfag)

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>>53520275
holy shit, I need to dig up my old whfb shamans.

>>53519416
ws3+ bs 4+
scouts start '6 from an edge, '9 from an enemy
fangs reroll hit on one unit you choose beginning of phase
didn't see whether vanilla get these too
>>53520087
nurgle is the only god with a csm discipline
>>53520155
nope, dttfe works on all

>>53520345
I'm a Guard player and I'm a left wing ex military guy. I think I'm pretty normal, I have a gf and play mtg and wow.

>>53520358
Are you retarded?

One thing i noticed is that (apart from having their psychic might relegated to a miniscule pool of spells) Magnus and Ahriman's aura buffs only affect invulnerable saves, so no 2+ re-rollable Scarab Occult. They only kick in when you're forced to use the invuln.

>>53520368
Yeah.... get out of your parent's basement more, bro. Your brain is beginning to atrophy.

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>>53520329
>30 boyz making it to the fight

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>>53519656
>>53519658
>>53519826
Fuck, this shit is making me depressed. I wanted to start Guard for 8th after being out of the game since 5th, but this is making me rethink my choice.
I'll probably still do it anyway, but knowing it's practically the official army of /pol/ damages my enthusiasm.

>>53520001
Picture is pretty shit but I'll see what I can do

Explosion: When it gets to 0 wounds you roll D6, on a 6 it explodes and enemies within 6" tale D(6?) mortal wounds

Floating Fortress: It can move and shoot heavy weapons with no penalties

Grav? Basically levitation: Always measure from the hull

Death from above: You can start rhe game with it in reserve, at the end of any movement phase it can descend 12" away from any enemy unit

Exile Gate: Whenever a non monster or vehicle unit charges it, roll D6 on the above table. If it passes, unit takes D6 mortal wounds

Eternity gate: You can start the game with any number of nfantry units in reserve, then deploy one at the end of each movement phase 5" or less from monolith. If all night scythes and monoliths die units that are still in reserve are destroyed

Necrons, <Dynasty>
Vehicle, Titanic, Flying, Monolith

>>53520395
I play Orks

>>53520188
paladins are 3 wounds but got access to the grey knight psychic power lore in addition to smite.

>>53520208
you read that right. acolytes have 3 wounds
inquisitors have
5 wounds now

>>53520212
emperors champ 108 points
m 6 ws 2+ bs 3+ s 4 t 4 w 4 a 4 ld 8 sv 2+

obsidian blade: s +2 ap -3 d3 dmg may reroll wound rolls against monsters and characters

sigismunds honor: add 1 to the emperors champions attacks and strength if a enemy characters is within 1"

herokiller: may reroll failed to hit rolls against characters

and has a 4+ invul

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So Orks are shit.
Guard are shit.
Who else is getting shafted?
inb4 Tau, that goes without saying

>>53520315
Oh yeah, a lot of them are that too.

They are still as autistic as they come, and make the regular /tg/ poster look like a well adjusted human being in comparison.

Can't forget the "I've been in the army for 3 months, so I identify as a soldier on all levels." Crowd.

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>>53520146

Did I overlook that in Waaagh! Ghazghkull or something?

As long as I've known about him, they've always described him as a member of the Goff Clan.

And what Clan is Orkimedes from for that matter?

I'd rather play with Guard sperglords than a bunch of commie Tau players.

>>53520389
What are the stats for a CSM warpsmith?

>>53520392
Gross a gf. Not normal at all. That other guy and I were just pointing out that all the guard players we know are bro tier ex military

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

PLEASE POST DEATH RIDERS AND/OR IG

>>53520414
Legion of the Damned?`

>>53520392
>left wing
>ex military

What did you get dishonorably discharged for?

I undestand that any evidence I provide is anecdotal, and that an exception does not disprove the rule. But the guard guys at my store are chill, and I like the DkoK and I hate nazis. I just like the aesthetic and love and krieg. I don't appreciate politics being brought up in my store and I just wanna relax a bit after work and throw some dice every once and a while. I get that there are probably a lot of people who are problematic, but there are surely a great many who aren't as well. I'd rather I and the guys at my store who are decent human beings not be tarred with the same brush as freaks and skinheads if you don't mind. I understand that may be your experience, but I'd ask that if at all possible you avoid making broad sweeping general statements about people you don't know.

>>53520389
>ws3+ bs 4+
Just what I hoped for since the 7th edition SM codex

Thanks

>>53520414
can you give us landraider and rhino stats?

>>53520406
Don't worry dude, play Guard if you like it, but just don't be THAT guy. I'm here talking about my bad experiences with every single IG player I met, but I was an IG player too at some point. Just wasn't my kind of army, but there's nothing wrong with the army per se, know what I mean?
Just be a decent human being and you can play whatever, people will like you for how you act.

>>53520442
medical discharge.

>>53520329
>121 attacks in combat
Those 13 wounds against T4!

Those 10 hits from shooting and 1.6 wounds!

>>53520328
>They kill themselves
Uh, they don't. Bomb squigs do, and if you give one a tank hammer they do. Also, we don't know how many points they cost, exactly. Rerolls to hit against vehicles alone is enough to make them a lot better, and a static D3 is a lot better than I was expecting for rokkit launchas. I'm betting a unit in a trukk will be able to take apart a vehicle or two without much trouble.

>>53520445
Cool story bro