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>>53516795

First for Inquisition leaks

Second for GSCB

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>>53516795
Everybody place your bets.

Here's some new Knight Titan values.

Ok guys, here are the points cost of current Imperial Knights versus new Imperial Knights accounting for all the smaller guns they are equipped with (i.e. a Paladin has two Heavy Stubbers) EDIT: Fixed a few mistakes, I forgot to count the Reaper Chainswords for some of the variants and somehow pointed Gallants higher than the others

Universal for all -
OLD *Add +5 points to replace a Heavy Stubber with a Meltagun
NEW *Add +17 points to replace a Heavy Stubber with a Meltagun (but you don't pay for the original Heavy Stubber being replaced, so it's more like +13 points)

Crusader OLD - 425 (with Thermal Cannon)
Crusader OLD - 430 (with Rapid Fire Battle Cannon)
Crusader NEW - 512 (with Thermal Cannon)
Crusader NEW - 540 (with Rapid Fire Battle Cannon)

Errant OLD - 370
Errant NEW - 430

Gallant OLD - 325
Gallant NEW - 389

Paladin OLD - 375
Paladin NEW - 458

Warden OLD - 375
Warden NEW - 466

Thunderstrike Gauntlets are only 5 points more expensive than Reaper Chainswords now as opposed to 10 points more expensive.

Now, as for those top-mounted guns...

Ironstorm Missile Pod OLD - 30
Ironstorm Missile Pod NEW - 16

Stormspear Rocket Pod OLD - 40
Stormspear Rocket Pod NEW - 45

Twin Icarus Autocannon OLD - 35
Twin Icarus Autocannon NEW - 30

Off DakkaDakka.

>>53516843
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition

First for Sisters leaks are a guerrilla marketing ploy to generate hype for plastic models.

>>53516864
desu I'd consider sisters if they weren't all ancient and expensive metal models

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>That fake hype for Orks

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>>53516857
based on rumours+leaks, it's not looking "balanced" at all

>>53516914
>CSM that high
>orks that high

Any one have leaks for the universal rules like fly?

>>53516940
compare them to the shit we've heard about the others

i hope im proven wrong, i genuinely do

>>53516940
You sure it's CSM? Or could it be Daemons?

>>53516955
It sure as shit ain't Tzeentch daemons.

Apparently Penitent Engines are a breakout profile. According to math (though I haven't seen the work on it) a squadron can, on average, tear down the toughest units in the game on a charge, including Imperial Knights.
>>53516914

We don't have leaks on most of what you've put in the "shit tier." Those would have to be placed to the side until we get them.

>>53516795

Do people think sternguard with combi-weapons will still be competitive?

Still no Daemon leaks :(

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Can you hear it, brooders? the melodious screaming from the heavens?

>>53516955
I meant the CSM being decent tier, as they deliberately revealed nothing in the article, and everything that's been leaked has been the same or worse

>>53516988
wtf i like khorne now

>>53516974
What do you think should be left to the side? If you have paint or something I'm interested to see how /tg/ is thinking so far.

>>53516946
there are no universal rules. Fly is addressed specifically in the movement phase core rules, and otherwise has no other effects.

>>53516988
So fucking annoying.
Does fight twice mean:
activate twice in the phase
Or
Fight twice in one activation.

>>53516974
>>53516845
>Can you show your work on that math? I mean, I know those stats were impressive, but I didn't think they were breakout impressive. They still aren't the most durable of platforms, but I'd like to see how they compare to similar walkers like the Ironstrider or Dreadnoughts.
>That said, I'd love one on my Kill Team, though I'd consider converting one rather than having to deal with the metal, although I definitely could deal with it.

Sure. 3 Penitent Engines (285 points, incidentally). 12 Attacks. Desperate for Redemption resolves immediately after you attack, before the fucker you charged gets to do anything. Desperate for Redemption is a single roll for all 3 Engines, so you can spend 1 Command Point to turn getting it into a 75% chance. This averages out to 21 Swings.

Hitting on 3+ with a free Re-roll from Zealot gives 18.7 hits. Strength 10 against Toughness 8 means 12.5 Wounds. AP -3 turns 2+ unto 5+, the same Invul save Knights have anyway. 8.3 Unsaved Wounds. And Penitent Engines deal 3 damage a swing, making that a final averaged damage total of 25 wounds as your Engines kneecap the knight and eat the pilot.

>>53516765
(reposting cause I wont give up on my girls JUST yet)
I'm waiting to learn more about allies and whether vehicles remain as terrain after death/if vehicles block all line of sight, first.

I'm quite enamoured with the idea of Dominion/Retributor party rhinos carrying TEN special/heavy weapons each, especially with the free move dominions grant their transport.

Celestine being mandatory is annoying, but giving Celestine an act of faith, and then Celestine giving Seraphim an act of faith, to put them both in melee turn 1 is a hell of a distraction/meatgrinder to let Retributors build up momentum.

And Death Cult Assassins/Penitent Engines are actually pretty fucking scary if you can get them in close.

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>>53516988

>>53516988
Fucking A. Any more of these? Been waiting for more CSM leaks for ages.

>>53516914
>tyranids
>not in top
>with their 87 point carnifexes, 22 point LW+BS warriors and 12 point genestealers
>not to mention their pants on head retarded 40 point zoanthropes that will literally blast absolutely everything down with their unlimited mortal wounds, while regenerating for every wound inflicted.

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Guard and Imperial Agents report in. T3 is love.

>>53516988
So the correct answer is to give every Berserker a Chainsword and Chainaxe, right?

>4 chainaxe attacks, 2 chainsword attacks

Maybe give the champ a power weapon to take advantage of 4 attacks, but still, that's looking really scary, especially if they're what, 16 points?

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>>53516988
>fights TWICE each turn
>str 6 with chainaxes
>2 attacks each BASE
>massive points reduction
oh yes

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>>53516857
Think it's going to be mostly balanced

>>53516892
Plastic Sisters will definitely be announced soon.
They surely cannot continue to tease us.

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>>53517052

>>53517057
Rule of One.

>>53517057
Tyranids are in the top spot anon...

>>53517031

So far, haven't seen any Skitcanicus, Dark Angels, Craftworld Eldar, Harlequins, Daemons, or Grey Knights. Maybe some I'm missing, too.

These should be left out of the running until their results are in.

>>53516946
you can move wherever and over models, can't stop on them

can disengage from combat without penalties

units flying fast (jets, monstrous flyers etc.) have a -1 to be hit, can only get charged by units with fly, have a respective minimum and maximum movement characteristic and can only pivot up to 90 before moving; bringing down flyers doesn't seem to exist, flyers forced to move out of the field are considered destroyed.

>>53517048
>can fight twice in each Fight phase
What else could that mean?

>>53517006

Wait holy shit is this new Karl kopinski art for 40k? It's been years since GW commissioned anything from him

>>53517096
>>53517078

>>53517052
Did he used to have an anti-psyker rule?

REEEE GIVE ME GUARD RULES

>>53517073
Is that black templars I see? I thought they were rolled into regular Space marine rules

>>53517050

That is some sexy mathematics of destruction on those Penitent Engines. I might just have to get one.

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>Go out skating with a m8 for 3 hours
>even hang out a bit longer, we got a cheeky Nandos
>the only thing that has "leaked" for DE is that we're looking cheaper than ever
DE leaks would literally make this a 9/10

I want to fit a 10 man Mandrake squad, and maybe a Jetfighter into this list

Is it true custodes are immune to mortal wound effects?

>>53517107
>REEEE
That will be the battlecry of my guard regiment. Affix bayonets! RREEEEE!

>>53517052
REEEEE THEY NERFED HIM AND MADE HIM MORE POINTS

>>53517105

Well, guess we have Daemons, now. I think I forgot Astra Militarum, though.

>>53517089
that's genestealercult anon
tyranid symbol is two genestealer cult symbols down in shit tier.

>>53517107
>Roll 1d6, if the result is a number, your opponent wins.

>>53517078
>Rule of One.
>what is smite
it's just a special rule tht turns it into a killier version, that's the power of the zoans

>>53517050
Feels good to know I have 2 still unbuilt.

>>53517138
>>53517139

>Don't REEEEE
>$250 Penalty

>>53517078
>Rule of One.
It's a special rule for their smite, everyone can cast smite all the time anon

>>53517139
On the other hand, S6 can wound a lot more targets than before.

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>>53516857

>>53517078
Nice, keep em coming. I want to see if CSM can take a chainsword and keep their bolter at the same time.
>also chosen

>>53517102
that doesn't look like kopinski to me

I believe it's paul dainton based on the coloring of things far away and the composition but I might be wrong

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>>53516795

>Wah wah wah the new psychic phase, the new psychic phase!
>my Tzeentch daemons...

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>>53517189

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I
NEED
DARK ELDAR
LEAKS

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Any Eldar leaks yet lads?

Need to know wether to take 20 Banshees or 30.

And Jane Zar too.

>>53517185
>8 points more
>lower strength
>less attacks
>no anti-psyker rule
feels bad
i'd be happy if they made his buff extend to 6"

>>53517139

Keep in mind he essentially has 12 attacks now at STR 6 AP-4 and D3 damage

He'll actually do 6.67 damage to a knight and any T4/T5 4++ marine characters on a charge, not bad

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>>53517232
This.

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>>53516988
>88
>potential strength 7 on the charge with chainaxes
>which by the way aren't garbage anymore
>fights TWICE
>Generates additional hits on 6s against imperium units

BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

>>53517217

Dangt I looked at the faces and got excited

I miss Karl

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>>53517048
The language of the alternative activations for the fight phase rules say "choose unit to fight with". So you can choose them to fight twice. The rule doesn't change how they fight though. So each time they fight it's one normal complement of attacks.

>>53517240
Psykers are shit nowadays anyway, and he does get to attack twice.

>>53517240

Keep in mind he only has to be within 1" of one model for the entire unit to get his buff

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>>53517255
Fellow Archon - what are you hoping for 8th?
I've already said i want viable Mandrakes and cheaper overall units

and the Return of Duke

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>>53517266

You'll take your deviantart freelance commissioned artists and you'll like it!

So are 8e Tau the new 7e Orks and Nids? Do I get to play fun casual matches as Tau now?

>>53517019
>320 base cost
>~90 per main gun, 30 for a reaper, 4 for a stubber, ~30 for a secondary gun
That's a pretty massive increase in cost. I wonder what the new average game size will be. I don't see myself fielding five knights at the average 2k game like I used to.

>>53517297
ahh shit, i missed the distinction between "units" and "models"
I suppose with that and >>53517268 i'm not too displeased, especially as berzerkers got a flat buff

>>53517320
Why are Tau shit now? Because they are no longer God Kings of the universe?

>>53517050

I think that points cost is too low, you haven't added the points for its two heavy flamers.

Unless I'm wrong and they're included in the penitent blades or whatever they're called, but I don't think they are.

>>53517342
I'm honestly not sure, just going off of these rating lists with Tau in their own category at the bottom. The leak looked decently balanced to me.

>>53517223
Show us on the doll where the Tzeentchians touched you

>>53517310

(Not that Archon)

More firepower
More speed
Some defenses that are not cover based

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Here's my predictions.

Fuck your idiocy, Tau are actually going to be pretty decent.

havent seen any of the leaks or community site reveals for a week or so, are kroot their own army yet? or should i just give in and start a guard army

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>>53516914
Honestly though I dont think Tau will be worse than orks or IG

>>53517078
nurgle plz

ITT: Evaluating races without having played a single game

>>53517393

They are not. But you can now have units of htem in Troops, Elites and Fast Attack.

Convert a Kroot in a battlesuit as your commander and BAM full kroot army.

>>53517393
Not quite. The Shaper is an Elite instead of an HQ, so you would need to take an Ethereal or something. Even then, not great as a standalone force due to a lack of heavy weapons.

It's kind of like trying to play Scions, but weirder. more unit options than before at least.

>>53517139
Rerolling all hits for nearby world eaters and fighting twice are some pretty significant buffs

I need Imp. Guard leaks. Please anon.

>>53517393
Kroot can be fielded on their own. However, you only have carnivores for troops, a shaper for hq, hounds for fast, and krootox riders for heavy. They aren't their own book, but can be their own army if you want them to be.

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>>53517384
>Looks like we're getting it
>Looks like we're getting it
>Movement based Invul would be sick
All Archons are welcome here - except those Ynnari cuckolds

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>>53517223
What do Tzeentch players have to be excited about, anon? Most sane people aren't mad that summoning is dead. We're mad because the new tzeentch powers are terrible and most of our army is now an unfluffy smite dispenser, which is also terrible.

>>53517419
> Implying anyone on /tg/ actually plays 40k

>>53517430
Me too. After seeing everyone else's army I'm starting to think we won't be so good anymore. I was so happy at the start.

Where are the guard leaks???

Need to know how platoons work!

>>53517366
It's just memesters feeding off the infinite well of blueberry salt.

So are SOB worse now or what?

Why's everyone ranking Admech so low? They seem to suit the new edition quite well and we've had no leaks aside from the fact they're one faction now and Canticles at least are still a thing.

>>53517341

Keep in mind that just because they activate twice doesn't mean they stopped charging, which means they should get to hit first on BOTH their activations before the enemy if they charge

So berserkers are just a flat 4 6 AP-1 attacks each plus plasma pistols, it's terrifying. They can kill 9 marines (or 4 and a half primaris) before they even get to hit back.

With kharnes buff they'll average 10.37 unsaved wounds against 3+ T4/T5.

>>53517267
Wait so this means you can kill one unit with the berserkers, consolidate, and then activate them again if they're in range of another unit?

>>53517429
Not that guy, but I feel like they should have made his buff aura 3", just so you had a bit more leeway.

Of course, the reason they probably didn't was so that you had to risk your own unit fighting shoulder to shoulder with the guy that'll kill them on a 1

>>53517471
http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2017/05/sisters-of-battle-leaks.html

Seem fine to me.

>>53517052
So Kharn jammed his pistol in the overcharge position and then tore off the dial to change it.

Sounds like him, safe plasma is for pussies

>>53517423
>>53517424
>>53517431
thanks friends. never thought about kroot in a battlesuit, ill hhave to look into that

>>53517478
aye

>>53517478

Fuck yeah it does

>>53516988
HA! I KNEW BUY 48 BERZERKERS AND KHARN WOULD PAY OFF EVENTUALLY!

>>53517471

SoB are pretty predictably roughly the same level. Celestine is the auto-take HQ and Penitent Engines became an inexplicable BEAST.

>>53517347
Ah you might be right. The Sisters leak doesnt have the points index, so I have to use the weird-ass rambling leak from yesterday morning for Points.

That's put Engines at 129 points per if they have to buy their saws and both flamers, and 387 for a trio. So they'd come out to roughly the same points cost as the kinds of things they can delete with their charge.

So it turns into making sure Celestine and your Dominions are a sufficient distraction/vanguard to let the Penitents close in. Incidentally, the math I showed doesnt factor the Heavy Flamers, which could chip damage heavy vehicles and aid in the mass butchering of MEQs and GEQs.

(with flamers before charging, 21 dead MEQs/15 dead Chads, 29.2 dead GEQs. Penitent Engines that reach melee just don't give even the slightest fuck.)

>>53517490
Lots of people acting like they're utter trash though.

GIVE US ORKZ POINT VALUES ALREADY

>>53517541
Same old memes as always.

dammit people, where are those sweet admech leaks?!

>>53517430
>dirt cheap heavy weapon spam with more bubble wrap than any other army can come close to generating
IG will be fine
one not, but fine

>>53517470
There isn't even really any. The only people I've seen complain about Tau nerfs here are obvious trolls and false-flags trying to stir up shit.

Any Tau player on /tg/ is well aware that everyone hates riptides and thinks they're bullshit. Most of them are probably just glad that people won't complain about their army as much

>>53517530

Those Heavy Flamers would go a ways towards deleting any infantry bubblewrap those hard targets might have.

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>>53517543

>>53517475
>Plasma pistols

Why spend the points on plasma pistols when you can give everyone chainswords for 2 extra S 4 attacks per dude? That's like having an entire Assault marine squad attacking on top of your berserker squad

>People ranking Necrons above shit tier
>No anti-tank weapons
>Vehicles all T6
>Quantum shielding almost useless against all S7/8 shooting
>Destroyers cost 50% more and got worse
>Monoliths cost as much as a Knight Gallant and are worse at everything

Necrons are below Tau tier.

>>53517562
>>53517543
Fuck your knights. Gib. Platoon. Nao.

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>>53517562

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>>53517450
I play 40k on tabletop simulator because I don't want to spend thousands of dollars on minis that will severely depreciate in value

>>53517524
get ready to buy them again with the world eatears release

bigger, bloodier and with more gains

do you want to look like a manlet?
buy the new marines

>>53517492
There's a thread that discussed it here >>53500255 actually

>>53517543
Man, I had hoped the gallant would get another attack to compensate for the fact that it's utter dogshit when compared to any other knight.

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>>53517579

>>53517052
>>53516988
Anything for non-god specific CSM? Basic CSM, Possessed, Warp Talons, etc? Legion Rules?

>>53517572

I would love it if that's how it works, I'm just mentally prepared for when that gets FAQ'd

I will flip my shit if they'll make manticore/baneblade/any other main gun into joke, take away veterans doctrines, don't give lemans 3+ bs option, don't include Marbo etc.

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PLASTIC MANDRAKES AND KHERADRUAKH WHEEEEEENNNNN

>>53517556
one note, that is

>>53517557
As a long time Tau player I think they will be quite strong. Especially with markerlights. I think they were a lateral move. Neither stronger or weaker, just a different way to treat them.

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>>53517601

>>53517586
Jokes on you! My dudes are so swole that their bodies have started to collapse under the weight of their massive gains!

>>53517579
>>53517543
>>53517562
They could have baked the Knights all into one sheet, right? I mean, I love my knights, but having multiple datasheets seems kinda pointless.

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>>53517623

Why do tyranid flyers looks so fucking ugly?
Hive Crones and Harpies look like fat flying carnifexes.
What was gw thinking?

>literally every single knight variant posted
>still barely any ork stuff

I hate leakers

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Are there night-fighting rules?

>>53517543
>In other news, the Gallant is still worthless.

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>>53517643
DE AND ADMECH HAVE HAD NOTHING
NOTHING

>>53517623
>>53517601
>>53517579
>>53517562
>>53517543
>fucking knights
Who the fuck cares about your dumb fucking meme army that doesn't even belong in the scale 40k is supposed to represent?
GIMME FUKCIN BOYZ STATS

For the feet, so you triple the attacks or have to miss three times to miss?

>>53517603
How would that not be how it works? You can swap the pistol or chainsword for the axe. You can get an extra attack with the chainsword whenever you fight.

Seems pretty clear to me

>>53517617
Hahaha
Never

I'm ready for that big gay DA leak.

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>>53517493
>>53517497

THIRD EDITION BERSERKER STEAMROLLER BUILDS ARE BACK BABY

AWWWWOOOOOOOO

Sooo.... How hard got tyranids fucked?

Guard leak Guard leak.

>>53517656
They dont need to post the Craftworld Taxi service codex yet

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>>53517676

>>53517642
They were thinking "man we gotta sell more transport briefcases, that means we gotta churn out some big fat huge models real quick so people buy more cases from us".

so they just slapped together the hive crone and the exocrine etc...
the abysmal lack of detail on those miniatures speaks for itself

Will Perturabo and lorgar still be daemon princes despite being chaos undivided?

>>53517668

I think that's how it works RAW and sounds super fun, which GW always seems to stomp out of my heart with FAQs.

>>53517677

Unfucked?

They seem pretty tough, at least by the math.

>>53517677
>Sooo.... How hard got tyranids fucked?

You're going to have to wait and ask GSCS

>>53517677
They are great now.

>>53517676
Dat anime run on the bezerker. What a fucking weeb.

Can we get some Deathwatch pics?

>>53517665
x3 attacks, so 12A.

Still waiting to see why GW have been promoting Orks as "really good"

>>53517530

Yeah, thats the points I was looking at as well, so may yet be proved wrong.

>>53517686
Considering how unJUST they made Nids...
and how JUST they made Tau

DE could be surprise

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>>53517714

>muerto al falsa emperador

>>53517701
I'm pretty sure you only get the bonus attack if you use the chainsword.

>>53517714
>Señor de Slaanesh

Ha.

>>53517720
Kevin's been watching fucking Naruto again

>>53517714
Translencia porfavor

>>53517748
read the god damn rules. its not even that hard
"each time the bearer fights, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon"

Thread's dying because no DA leaks.

>>53517676
I might stoop to the embarrassingly low depths of unironically playing chaos if berzerkers get new models and the rules don't get nerfed.

>>53517234
>Need to know wether to take 20 Banshees or 30.

Yes

>>53517805
But there's been a ton of CSM leaks.

>>53517641
Avenger is a solid infantry shredder, the repeater battle cannon I'm not to hot on, 2d6 shots instead of 12 is not that good in exchange for -S2. Thermal is okay, but needs support.
Curious, it seems the best loadouts until now (Stormspear on the Warden, Ironstorm on the Errant and Icarus on the Paladin) is about to change. Range-wise I can see the Paladin wanting a Ironstorm to hang back and shell the opponent, the Errant pairs well with the Stormspear to murder the shit out of big models, and the Warden now being multirole works with the Icarus.

>>53517541
>>53517547

Yeah, but people always think sisters are trash because they've never actually played against them, when they have always preformed reasonably well, since they're cheap BS3+ models with easy access to meltas and flamers.

A lot of the changes to transports have hurt our normal Immolator spam lists that everyone has been running since at least 5th edition, but with templates gone 3,+ being better than before, moving and shooting heavy weapons, and far better acts of faith I'm looking forward to experimenting with some different builds for once.

>>53517746
Muerte. Muerte is death, Muerto is dead.
You don't say "Dead to the False Emperor"

>>53517663
Well, I was about to post them, but now that you've dissed my army I think I'll stop for tonight. See you tomorrow, I guess.

>>53517815
Hey if they make DA officially CSM I'm fine, I just want to know if the cost of my army doubled or tripled.

>>53516974
Link to the imp agents leak? Can't find anything on blood of kittens

>>53517788
Rough translations going down vertically here

Weapon hits automatically, unit hit does not get cover modifiers

Can't actually read the font

Lucius has a 5++, when he saves a wound in combat roll a d6 and on a 4+ deal a mortal wound to whoever attacked.

Lucius gets +2A against characters.

Can reroll 1s to hit and so do any Emperor's Children units within 6in.

>>53517819

They're nearly on par since avengers only wound marines in 3+ now

Honestly all knight weapons look pretty damn viable

>>53517846
Yay a spanish speaker can translate for us!

>>53517819
Icarus is kinda trash unless you see flyers. Honestly, with the price bump, carapace weapons are a luxury. Try fitting 4 good Knights into 1850 now.

>>53517860
Wow thanks hispanon

>>53517815
Actually, is the Fallen page up anywhere?

>>53517865
Italian but I know it enough.. I think.. what do you need?

>>53517867
Honestly four BS3 (4+) shots aren't terrible. Especially when anything with FLY gets hit on 2+.

>>53517867

>Try fitting 4 good Knights into 1850 now.

I think that's part of the point.

>>53517887
Only mention I've seen is Fallen squads on the CSM points list.

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>>53517805
DA leaks eh?

Okay if you insist.

>Dark Angels plasma weapons get to re-roll overheat results.
>Deathwing can re-roll 1s against CSM models in combat.
>Maces are AP-3 in combat.
>Still get +1 Toughness if they stay in base contact.

>>53517888
6" range ass2 weapon with the text that starts with esta arma puede disparar, please

ORK LEAKS

GIVE THEM NOW

>>53517867
Not sure about the Icarus, since it now murders jetpacks, skimmers, flyers and everything in between. That said, the new cost makes me wary, yeah. I used to run five knights at 2k (warden-baron, two paladins, two errants) and that's obviously not gonna happen now.

>>53517928
Real fired up!

>>53517641

>Thunderstrike gauntlet ability

I've never wanted a knight before now...

>>53517733
Saint Celestine and the Geminae Superia
10 Seraphim, 2 are dual-wielding Inferno Pistols and the Superia has a Power Sword and Plasma Pistol
30 Dominions with Meltaguns in every single fucking pair of hands, in 3 rhinos
3 Penitent Engines

1841 points so far, but I require an additional HQ

Wracking my brain trying to find a good USE for a Cannoness, since a 45 point footslogging taxbitch hanging around doesnt sit well with me.

an Eviscerator Cannoness wrapped in Death Cult Assassins (hell, maybe even Crusaders) with a priest could be good if they were crammed into a rhino., but no points for the Rhino.

Cannoness with an Eviscerator, Priest with a Chainsword, and 5 Crusaders brings me up to 2,000. A little melee ball of 3++s that can footslog to objectives, perhaps. Or a Cannonness with a basic Sisters team to chill somewhere.

>>53517860
My spanish is rusty but isn't it if all his attacks hit a character he gets 2 additional attacks?

>>53517145
As a KSons and Guard player, I'm looking forward to decimating a squad of rubrics every turn, and not exploding any guardsmen ever because lolcommissar.

>>53517860
The second weapon can shoot enemy units within 1" and enemy units that are within 1" of a friendly unit

That mean Lucius can shoot units that are in combat with a different unit

>>53517491
Do we know if hq's buff themselves? Would mean kharn is rerolling his pistol hits, though not axe due to the betrayer rules

>>53517915
That sounds awesome. Got anything on the best nid model, the Carnifex?

>>53517731
Because orkz have had some pretty damn good leaks so far?

>>53517938

They had that in 7th, too.

>>53517951
Cheers m8. That sounds great

>>53517864
Were it not for the cost I'd agree. 90 for a avenger is fucking steep.

>>53517438

I agree, fuck those pussies. (I'd prefer to make my own hole though)

>>53517936
MY WAAAGH IS READY AND SO IS MY FAT GREEN COCK

>>53517916
"this weapon can shoot while positiond at 1" or less from an enemy unit, and can choose as target enemy units situated at 1" or less from a friendly units."

>>53517916
It basically that you can fire that weapon at enemy units that are an inch away from lucius or another friendly unit.

>>53517946
yes, this is correct.

>Guard have been good exactly once in 8 editions
>still bottom tier this edition
If conscripts are 4 points i will know that all is lost

>>53517915
got any of them nice pictures?

>>53517915
I'm just going to pretend this is all true because I like what I'm hearing so far.

>>53517788
italinfag here, i'll try to translate it
>first weapon is a flamer
>second weapon is a pistol
>his armor has 5+ invulnerable save and for every successful save in the combat phase the enemy that attacked him suffers a mortal wound on a roll of 4+
>when attacking Characters he has 2 extra attacks
>Emperor's Childern units within 6" can reroll failed to-hit rolls of 1

How does units handle multiple melee weapons such as the knight?
I'm guessing you either get 12 titanic feet attacks or 4 reaper chainsword attacks, right? Not both..

>>53517980
>>53517992
Thanks eurobros.

>>53517951
This seems to be the rule for the lash of khorne/bloodflail as well so whips have their special rule flavor as such I guess, not a bad bonus at all

A very important question, I notice that several dataslate have empty subfaction like chapters or clan, does subfactions have their own special rules or just simple fluff?

>>53517963
Your delusion is strong.

>>53517946
More specifically it's something like "If all the attacks made by Lucius the Eternal are against the same enemy character, make two additional attacks. These attacks must be against that same character."

Just simplified it.

>>53518021
In AoS you attack with all weapons on the profule UNLESS it says you have to choose A or B when modelling/army listing

>>53518003
Everyone thinks they're worst ATM. Tau, Sisters, Necrons, Orks... the only people I've seen be happy are CSM and they're utter crap in 7th currently.

>>53517908
Well, I managed. So I feel somewhat triumphant.

>>53517648
Not that we have seen, but at least one narrative mission presented is about the attacker being on a sneaky sabotage mission with the defender being the patrols.

I would also imagine that night-fighting rules are easy to implement.

An advantage of deliberately splitting the game into open, narrative and matched play is that it much more clearly invites people to "mod" the game when playing open or narrative.

>>53517946
>>53518000
No, is enough they select the same target.

>>53518037
Really? What makes orkz shit then?

>>53517940
>Wracking my brain trying to find a good USE for a Cannoness, since a 45 point footslogging taxbitch hanging around doesnt sit well with me.
Honestly, the reroll aura's worth 45 points.

>>53518021
You get to split up the attacks between weapons. So you can go 1 chainsword, 2 titanic feet (becomes 6), and 1 gauntlet.

>>53518062
After you prove they're good.

>Inb4 muh mob rule

>>53517633
it's probably so that if in the future they want to fuck with the stats of single knight they dont have to edit them all

>>53518041
Yeah makes more sense for the duelist flavor. Need to cross reference his total point cost but it seems he went from "Good-if-kinda-eh" special character to legitimate feature in any Slaanesh army so good for Lucius

>>53518052
>>53518052
>>53518052
No anyone saying orkz are bottom is retarded, the boyz are back in town tbqh

We may not be the absolute undeniable best, but we're getting a major buff

>>53518052
tbf it would massively help if we had any leaks for guard. We've seen at least one datasheet for all those you listed except for them.

>>53518005
Of course not. But some italian guy posted it on a forum so it must be true.

Does anyone know what Haywire does now? I have no idea how it's gonna work.

>TFW no leakers have the Eldar/Necron book
>TFW if they did DE would leak last

Give Magnus/Ahriman/ExSorc datasheets pls.

>>53518016
grazie

>>53518099
Any new CSM leaks?

>>53517716

Really? Which units are viable now?

>>53518052
Well from what ive seen from the leaks
>blast weapons still ass, especially the russ and basilisk
>no news of returning special characters from 5th ed
>orders are now only 6 inch range
>vehicles will probably get a massive price increase
Seriously whats with all the 6 inch bullshit, 6 inches is fucking pitiful

>>53518070
But she has to get to the firing line, and there's no room for her in the Dominion partywagons. I suppose I could drop one of them for an Immolator, and make it hold 5 Retributors + a Cannoness (Rets are cheaper and the Cannoness would rob the Doms of Vanguard)

>>53518073
prove they'll be shit in 8e then, literally everything we've seen out of 8e looks positive

>>53517905
Fair point. Just not sure they are worth it even still. Points are tight now unless people shift up to 2k games.

>>53518052
Nid/SoB primary with sides of puppies, crons, and Slanneshi daemons here. So far I'm pretty happy with my armies.

>>53518103

Necrons got leaked a bit

>>53518037
I mean they seem to have fixed most of the main issues orks have had just with the core rules changes.
>Elimination of initiative
>Charging units always strike first
>Orks can advance, shoot, and still charge with a reroll on charge distance
>Hidden PKs are back
>Open-topped means a battlewagon full of burnas will be fucking scary
>Flash gitz are actually a decent firepower unit now
Overall, I'm cautiously optimistic about what we've seen so far. We just need to know the points and basic ork statline and I think Orks have the makings of a solid army for 8th edition.

>>53518118
>Seriously whats with all the 6 inch bullshit, 6 inches is fucking pitiful

n-no it isnt! size doesnt matter!

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>>53518073
>>53518037
>Ork False Flaggers back at it again

>>53518032
just fluff. Its an empty placeholder allowing you to chose your subfaction, which can be an established one, or one you made up. the only time it matters is for special characters, who will have their own fixed subfaction, and may have (or not be affected by) abilities that target subfactions.

For example, if you chose <SALAMANDERS> as your <CHAPTER> your captain's ability to let nearby <CHAPTER> units reroll 1s wont work on marneus calgar in the same army.

>mfw la thread è infestata da italiani

>>53518032
Mostly empty. All it really does now is prevent you from mixing special characters from different sub-factions in the same detachment. But it certainly could do something in the future.

>>53518120
Disregard some of this, her reroll aura isnt Infantry-Only like priests and Acts of Faith are, a Cannoness can hang out with 3 Exorcists and give them all free rerolls. Assuming I used Exorcists, but their math isnt SUPER promising.

>>53518059
So as long as he's dueling a character he's fucking with 7 attacks that hit on 2s and are rerolling doing a guaranteed 2 D a pop w -3 Rend? Lucius is a bad man indeed

>>53518141
I believe its also been said that the more you focus on one of these factions, you get more command points, and special themed abilities to spend them on as well.

>>53518136
Flash Git leaks?

>>53518118
Maybe people will actually consider vox.

>>53517746
>>53517714
>>53517755
>>53517788

>>53518168
>you get more command points, and special themed abilities to spend them on as well
just abilities. You unlock faction specific strategems for each faction that is shared across all units in a detachment.

None of which come in the indexes, so its kind of a moot point at t his point.

>>53518118
Yeah, and necrons went from AV13 to T6, the monolith almost doubled in price whilst losing 1 BS, warscythes got smashed from one of the best vehicle killers to a better autocannon and Destroyers wwent up in price 50% but their gun is heavy.

You aren't the only ones getting shat on.

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KHARN S T R O N G

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Rate, but do not hate.

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Has anyone else noticed... this doesn't have a Toughness value?

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>>53517058
Represent

So what are the chances of getting updated guard models in the near future?

>>53518144
>la thread
KYS

>>53518165
I'm happy since he's always been supposed to be the character duelist of the chaos lords, but crunch-wise never been up to the task.

He might finally be worth bringing.

>>53518144
MAMMA MIA

>>53518178
Ive always used vox , if they increase range to 12 inches at the least i will be somewhat happier

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where the fuck is his mouth?

>>53518118
>blast weapons still ass, especially the russ and basilisk
True, but blast weapons have always been ass. Exterminators and Punishers will continue to be the go-to tanks.
>no news of returning special characters from 5th ed
Meh.
>orders are now only 6 inch range
I'm betting vox casters will negate this limit
>vehicles will probably get a massive price increase
This applies to every army, though, and Guard will almost definitely be able to bubble wrap shit loads of heavy weapons for cheaper than anyone else.
I don't even play Guard but I can see plainly that they'll be solid.

>>53518195
Forgot the text

>the first weapon: 8" assault 1d3 automatic impacts that ignores cover

>second weapon: 6" asault 2 this weapon can shoot at 1" or less from an enemy unit(you can use this in combat)

>Death to the false emperor
>Armor of the shouting souls:invulnerable save of 5+,everytime he makes a succsesful armor save roll a d6, in a 4+ the attacking unit suffers a mortal wound(holy shit)

>Duelist pride: if all of his attacks target a character make 2 additional attacks, those attacks must be done to the same target.

>Lord of Slaneesh: everyone with the keyword(Emperor´s children) reroll hit rolls of one

>>53518202
its t8.

>>53518202
W= Widerstand=T=Toughness=8

>>53518202
It's german, W is for toughness

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>>53518202
FUCK

>>53518175
An unconfirmed stat line said S5 AP-2 Heavy3 24"

>>53518222
On your mother's pussy

>>53518202
Well anon let me help you, the W column, in the German datasheet, is the toughness, which is 8

>>53518144
In which awful part of the italian internet is "thread" female?

>>53518118
>>53518118
BUT
Being cheap is what guard does best. That may still apply to the tanks
>The orders autopass, meaning the vox will likely be used to give us long or even unlimited range
Only three of our tanks rely on large blasts which were nerfed and one relies on rapid firing small blasts which were comparatively buffed


So we have hope. I just pray the vanquisher is decent enough to justify because god dammit I want to put large caliber guns on SOMETHING!

>>53516890
>I'm waiting to learn more about allies
I'm sick of allies. We should have to rely on allies, especially in the "take what you want!" or in our case "Take what you want as long as it includes Celestine!"

>I'm quite enamoured with the idea of Dominion/Retributor party rhinos carrying TEN special/heavy weapons each, especially with the free move dominions grant their transport.
Doms have always gotten a free move since 5th. It's called scout. The party bus is going to be our new monobuild. Hope you have money to triple up on those special/heavy weapons that cost $10-15 each! Don't forget your $13 Imagrifiers!

>Celestine being mandatory is annoying, but giving Celestine an act of faith, and then Celestine giving Seraphim an act of faith, to put them both in melee turn 1 is a hell of a distraction to let Retributors build up momentum.
Once again, we have a monobuild and LOST options, which only enforces it more.

>And Death Cult Assassins/Penitent Engines are actually pretty fucking scary if you can get them in close. As mentione above, if you use a command point to make sure you get Desperate for Redemption, a squad of Penitent Engines kills Land Raiders, Monoliths, and Imperial Knights on the charge.

DCA and PE have always been scary if they get close. The only difference is that now they have a chance to actually get there.

>>53518201
>give me criticism, but dont actually critizise.
Yeah nah fuck you buddy.

>>53518240
>>53518231
>>53518229
>>53518226
I'm dyslexic, my eyes just kept glazing over it.

Thanks anons.

>>53518202
It has 8t 40w
Its in a meme language

>>53518202
It's 8..... It's between the strength and the wounds....

>>53518202
It does. It's 8
W for the German Sheets is Toughness.

>>53518241
Nowhere, he's a huge faggot

>>53518144
>Implicando que italiano no es suficientemente similar para traducirlo

>>53518214
The wound inflation and lack of instant death generally makes his I-save-you-die ability that much more terrifying as well. Anyone he charges that doesn't die is probably risking getting killed by a counter mortal wound

>>53518201
>The Emperor's Easy Mac

>>53518223
That depends on if exe and punisher are nerfed
Also for me personally if conscripts are still 3 points, that was the best change from 5th to 6th

>>53518201
I like your creamsicle marines anon

>>53518199
Do we know if kharns rerolls buff himself as well? He is a world eater unit, would mean he can reroll his pistol hits

>>53518201
Mayonnaise & Mustard

>>53518254
Vanquisher is str8 ap-3 1 shot D6 damage

>>53518201
Scheme looks good. I'd paint the belt buckle orange though.

>>53518267
Maybe Boldrini lurks this threads

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>>53517714
Él es Intrigante!

>>53518201
>thought for the day: Be strong in your ignorance

>>53518316
Don't think so. His other special rule "the betrayer" seems to rule that out sadly.

>>53518321
Horseshit. That's worse than a lascannon.

Why does everyone think Orks will be good now? From what I've seen so far, not much has changed.

>>53518199
>>53517714
Post Ahriman pls.

I will jerk off into panties and lick them for guard leaks

Can someone give stats for Hellbrute ?

>>53518340
Are you blind?

>>53518326
Kek

>>53518339
72 inch range still, but yeah it is

>>53517860
Also there is that whip thing that for some reason is a shooting weapon, and can be used even if it's at less than 1" and can hit enemy units that are at less than 1" from friendly units

>>53517057
I think people are misreading the Zoan rules. It's probably one smite per unit of 3+ Zoans, not one smite per Zoanthrope model.

>>53518136
Those are core rule changes more than Ork specific.

We haven't seen any abundance of Twin-linked to make up for our shooting. We have no confirmation if we're S3 still and the Ork faction focus didn't mention anything, despite being very boy heavy focused.

Our buffs are all very close range, blasts have removed any accurate and reliable fire power we had.

No mention at all of a invulnerable on regular characters / hq's outside of KFF, which we're assuming is unit based and not model based as it stands.

And a shit 6+ FNP.

>>53518339
Depressingly it's true. It's made the damned Leman Russ annihilator the better tank hunter.

>>53518201
He isn't angry enough.

I've just read our index. I've got few observations to share.
tl;dl it seems really balanced with every unit viable but without any really big power boost.

-First of all we have to wait for the proper Codex, becouse it's just the basics. Minimum special rules for the units and without any special items except weapons.
-Forget what you know about points values. almost everything have a different cost maybe except Venoms.
-Vehicles with 10+ wounds and being less likely to blow up should really benefit our faction.
-FNP is like in 7th game turn based.
1: 6+ inv
2:reroll run/charge
3:+1to hit but CC only

Units:
-Archon would be a cheap HQ filler. Even Bestmaster is more expensive O_o and new huskblade is a joke. His special boost is just use my LD or whatever.
-Haemonculus give +1t bubble but only for coven units.
-Succub seems about the same, I forget what she gives cult units, rerolls maybe. Archite Glaive is now +2s but -1 to hit
-Court are similiar I think to what we had in 7th.

-Warriors are 7 points.
-wyches are similiar but with 'no escape' rule.

-Incubi got reasonable price and the mandrakes seems really good With nice shooting attack, 5++ and Deep strike.
-beasts are looking interesting, high attack values and movement. Beastmaster let them use his LD and give to hit rerolls.

-Reavers are about twice as costly O_o Got second wound but losses all interesting abilities. Caltrops now activates only when the opponent is running away. Meh! Their turboboost is just straight 24'' now.
-Scourges are cheap and have that no scatter Deep Strike.
Haywire now damages vehicles on 4+ and deal 1 bonus mortal wound or D3 if you roll 6 to wound.

-Wracks and grots are about the same as they were. I was hoping on some more wounds for the G-Unit Haemoculus seems mandatory for the +1t now.

>>53518291
Agreed, and now that he can get a transport to charge out of, without it being a landraider, his +3 save and footslogging is also mitigated from earlier editions. I really quite like it.

>>53517320
No. They'll just normal and not OP. If you played normal mechanized-troop tau and have one riptide and one ghostkeel nothing will change for you. You'll have to learn new strats.

>>53518334
Saw that but betrayer is specifically fight phase, his aura is all hit rolls

DO WE HAVE ANY CONFIRMATION IF NO ESCAPE STILL EXISTS!

>>53518382

-Rider cost about two 7th ed Riders O_o you can mix passengers now (except Incubi) All have 5++.
-Ravager is now the same price as a Rider.
-Venoms should be gold. -1 to hit for the opponent and still you got this 5++. Obvoius upgrade for the splinter cannon is now free I think

-Flyers with more wounds seems really good now, But they are just -1 to hit for ground units.
The Bomb is generating D6s for every model Voidraven will fly over (3d6 for monsters/vehicles) maximum is 10 dice. Then they will deal mortal wounds on 4+

-Taloi are cheaper but nerfed with only 6t/6s got 8'' movement but now could explode. The blast deals mortal wounds so can easly damage other taloi. Of course they got more wounds now.
-Cronos is more expensive than Talos and gove no boost I think. He is the damage dealer now.

>From DakkaDakka

>>53518339
It gets to roll 2d6 and choose the higher result for damage, so basically it's a really long ranged meltagun. Even so, it's pretty shit unless it's dirt cheap.

RAVIOLI RAVIOLI GIVE ME THE ORK LEAKIOLI'S

>>53518345
Sure:
Move 8" (6" at W4, 4" at W2)
WS 4+ (5+ at W4, 6+ at W2)
BS 4+
S 5
T 5
W 8
A 3 (2 at W4, 1 at W2)
LD 7
Sv 4+

>>53518382
Talos?

>>53517676
ONCE THE GALAXY BURNS, WE WILL DEFINE RIGHTEOUSNESS!

>>53518401
Probably not. As EVERYTHING can hurt EVERYONE. And EVERYONE can choose to disengage.

>>53518321
You do not know that, that's just speculation based on 7E's rules, but you forgot the rerolling damage part.

Ultimately I'm hoping they buff it because obviously the 4" long, 1/2" diameter doomcannon needs to be stronger than the inch long 1/8" diameter Portable AT gun.

So I see a lot of people saying Quantum Shielding sucks. Why? It doesn't help against small arms but it will definitely help against melta and lascannons.

>>53518423
Actually that was from the leak from the last couple of threads

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>>53517714
>Freaking Lucius the Eternal
>Only movement 6"

>>53518283
vero, ma qui in molti dichiarano direttamente di essere italiani

>>53518401
>>53518422
Fuck I was thinking of OUR WEAPONS ARE USELESS.

MY BAD

>>53518425
its just that it does the opposite of what it used to do (protect against small arms fire)

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>>53518234

>>53518436
Lots of cunts

>>53518404
>Obvoius upgrade for the splinter cannon is now free I think
Unlikely. Everyone has to pay for all their weapons in the indices.

>>53518203
We can hope, Cadia did just go bye-bye after all.

>>53518407
Move 5"
Str 4

>>53518340
All of their biggest issues are fixed, and they'll have an easier time of getting into combat than before. They also have some nasty tricks up their sleeves, dreads might actually be good now, some previously meme units are rumored to be decent, KFF is buffed, and Painboy is an aura instead of being attached to one unit. Loads of positive changes for orks, my good anon.

>>53518406
>>53518378
>>53518358
It'll need to be the new eradicator in terms of cost to not be hot garbage. Especially with the one shot chance against enemy vehicles removed.