Warhammer 40k Tyranids

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>>53514615
Cool thanks. Any rules?

>>53514728
>Stranglethorn Cannon does d6 shots. for every 10 models in a unit, the wielder gets +1 to hit. range 36"; S 7; AP -1; D 2

>Heavy Venom Cannon: range 36"; D3 shots *if i remember right* S 9; AP -2; D d3

>Adrenal glands add 1 to advance and charge range. Toxin sacs: rolls of 6 make 2d

>Rupture Cannon: S 10; AP -1; D d3; heavy 2. If it hits with both shots, they get AP -4; D d6. And if Tyrannofex stands still, all his weapons can fire twice

>Tyrannofex has T 8; 14 or 16 W

>Tyrannocyte can transport 20 infantry models or 1 monstrous Creature with max 14 wounds

>Zoanthropes: Warp Blast has become a special rule that makes smite spell do d3 additional mortal wounds *looks like all psykers have smite* Neurothrope makes zoanthropes regain d3 wounds when they kill with smite. Zoanthropes also cost 40 points now. if the unit is 4+ models, they can cast 2 psychic powers

>Maleceptor has T8; 14 wounds; armor save 3+. You can chose to use its own psychic power and it targets a number of enemy units depending on how many wounds it still has. Roll 1 dice for the enemy units: on a 1 nothing happens. on a roll of 2+ the enemy unit suffers a mortal wound

>Trygon: T 6; 14 W; movement 8

>Toxicrene: T 8; 14 W; 3+ armor save. One ability it has makes you roll a d6 for every enemy model within 1 inch. on a roll of 6, the enemy suffers a mortal wound

>>53514750
>Zoanthropes can all warp blast for 2d3 mortal wounds

That seems terrifying

>Maleceptor deals 1 mortal wound to each nearby unit on a 2+

Meanwhile that seems pretty underwhelming. At least it seems more durable now

>>53514750
The Maleceptor now has some utility. This is good.

>>53514750
>Carnifex
>67 points
>M7" WS4+ S6 T7 W8 A4 3+
>It doesn't degrade
>if charge does mortal wound on a 4+
>Crushing claws are Sx2 AP-3 damage 3
>Monstrous Scything Talons S: User AP-3 damage 3
>Bonemace S8 Ap-1 d3 damage.
>If with 2 weapons +1 attacks
>2 Scything talons reroll 1 to hit.

>old one eye: 10w r7
>ws3+, gives +1 to hit on carnifices within 6
>his charge does d3 mortal wounds on a 4+ instead of 1
>each attack that hits generate another attack to resolve with the same weapon against the same target
>140pts

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YEEEEEAH!!!

>>53514828
Keep in mind if the Zoans get a 10+ on the warp charge roll, they deal 3d3 mortal wound.

>>53515004
or d6+d3 actually

anyone have grey knight rule??

>>53514615
I haven't played since 4th but dusting off my nids in anticipation. Is this the cheapest genestealers have ever been??

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>mfw I sold off my nids earlier this year but i'm tempted to pick more up for 8th edition

>>53514750
What made the Maleceptor so bad in the last edition and how has it improved?

>43 point difference between tyrant and prime
interesting

>>53515360
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/MaleceptorEN.pdf

it's bad in every single possible way.

>>53515502
Tyrants have more expensive options than Primes, there's a "Monstrous Bonesword" in the wargear list etc.

>>53515360
It's more expensive than a Riptide while having a 4+ armor save and pretty useless psychic powers

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>>53514750
>>Rupture Cannon: S 10; AP -1; D d3; heavy 2. If it hits with both shots, they get AP -4; D d6. And if Tyrannofex stands still, all his weapons can fire twice

>1/2 chance of getting 2 hits at s10 -4 d6

sounds good, where's the catch?

>>53515653
The catch is that it's only AP -1 baseline, so if you target something big and miss one of the shots it'll be really mediocre

236 Point Haruspex? What have they done to this sexy beast?

>>53515360
Simply put, it was an overcosted MC with infantry speed and mediocre combat ability that paid a premium for a really underwhelming psychic power that drained Warp Charge faster than GW through your (parent's if underage b&) bank account.

Consider that to get a 2 WC power off, you must spend 3 WC for 50% odds. Attempting to use the power 3 times=9 WC. To get 50% odds of sniping a key model, you spent 5 WC per casting, for up to 15(!) WC.

For 30 points less, you could run a Zoanthroape unit with Neurothrope, which got a better Invulnerable save, and a better cover-busting power that also generated extra Warp Charge to still use your Warp Blast to blow holes in another unit.

>>53514963
>haruspex
>W13 T8 S7(less if damaged)
>if it kills gains an extra attack and wound
>its claws are Sx2 ap-3 dd6
>upon death with a 6 it "explodes", inflicting 3 mortal wounds to an unit within 3"
>acid blood: each time it's wounded on a 6 it inflicts a mortal wound

>lictor
>3 attacks hit on 2+, s6, 4 wounds, 5+, gains +2 armour when in cover instead of 1, is hit with a -1 penalty, can reroll charge when deep striking

>>53515888
Venomthrope
-1 to be hit for infantry.

>>53515888
haruspex looks like a beast
I..I don't know what to say.
I'm so happy.
So, so happy.

>>53514615
Allah forbids the construction of statuary.

I believe a muslim wargamer would be obliged to behead himself.

>>53515186
they seemed to have really put a lot of buff on genestealers
not sure why, they were fine

>>53516203
>they were fine
leaving the bait aside and biting around it, probably because they have a whole rather popular sub-army that should stand on thanks to them

Now I just want a pyrovore/biovore kit, a shrikes kit and a lictor kit...k thanx

>>53516244
wasn't bait, i never played 7th edition
they always had higher stat than most characters of other armies, and being cheap for it

Remember the weapons cost need to be added to the model. those base costs are without weapons or any "stuff"

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>>53516248
>pyrovore/biovore kit with new weapon types: acid cutter for pyros and cluster mortar for biovores

>shrike kit gets you skyswarm rippers and the not!parasite of mortrex

>lictor has deathleaper bits and alternate unit of psychic manipulators

for fuck sake GW they sculpt themselves

>>53515888
Regaining wounds and getting attacks should be on a 6 or something like Khorne Daemon Princes in WHFB otherwise it will literally never die in a fight against squishier units.

>>53516502
Sure, but there's some solid improvements visible already. Warrior base 20 and Shrikes base 26 is excellent when BS+LS are this cheap

>>53516535
and thats like the point of it
Giant maw, devours soldiers.
I love it.

>>53514750
>maleceptor doesn't get an invulnerability save
oh well mortal wounds are all over the place anyway.

but jesus christ tyranids are looking so freaking good in general, I cant decide which big bugs to bring!

I bought 300 bucks of nyds because of this edition. I basically stopped playing at 6th.
It feels just so good.

>>53516502
>Implying warriors with bonesword + lashwhip and scything talons at 22 points is bad

>>53516684
I really want to kit out a bunch of cheap close combat warrior broods now. 20-24 points for 3 wounds just rushing people down is going to be scary to deal with in large numbers

>>53516768
good old CC warriors coming back !
to bad they probably won't have jumping and flesh hooks biomorphs
happy chirp noise

>>53514638
>>53514750
>adrenal glands increase charge range
>charge out of deep striking is even more probable
41.66% of success isn't bad

I wonder if we have fleet-like rules allowing reroll.

>>53516853
who needs flesh hooks when you always strike first on charge and lash whip is dirt cheap and makes them always strike first anyway?
also now that they dont get insta-popped by missile launchers, and tyranid prime being the cheapest HQ choice (likely making them hit on 2+ if he kept his old buff) I foresee warrior spam making up the core of a lot of nid armies

>>53516902
The thought of the dice being on your side and your tidal wave a good 60% of your army into close combat in one turn.

>>53516853
Flesh hooks are on the ranged weapons list, and for only 2 points they might do something pretty good, especially since they don't take up arm slots.

Also, we saw the rules for the Magna Grapple for Blood Angels, which was +2 to charge rolls against vehicles, and that's the same sort of deal where you fire a harpoon to reel something in. Flesh hooks might have a similar benefit against infantry.

So, Carnifexes are viable now? What a time to be alive

Brb buying a squad of carnifexes and a trygon

>>53515888
Haruspex seems way too good, it's gonna overshadow every other MC, especially in a drop-pod. bother with a Carnifex or Venomfex, etc

This is exactly why all the stupid bloated monster shit should have never existed, we have way too many and it's impossible to balance everything with the others.

Freaky femanons the world over rejoice

>>53517022
Carnifexes are dirt cheap at 87 a pop with dual scything talon and shit out mortal wounds on charge.
I think both will have their place

>>53517113
Scything Talons seem shit on the carnifex now that it got nerfed to S6. Crushing Claws is best friend now.

>>53517164
Its still extra attacks at AP -3, 3 damage

>>53517022
Nid Monster list should have been:

>The HQ's

>Crone for anti-air
>Fex for smashing shit
>Tyrannofex for shooting. (and it's kit makes the Tervigon )
>Trygon Prime for tunnels and Synapse (fuck the basic Trygon no one cares)
>Mawloc for it's special attack
>Miotic Drop-pod for obvious reasons

All the rest are not only garbage-tier models (Haruspex, Maleceptor) they have no reason to exist and just bloat the codex. if they hadn't released all that rubbish we would have plastic biovores, lictors, etc by now.

WTF? Why point values like 31 or 24? Gonna be hell trying to come up with lists that even out.

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>>53517033
Huehuehue

>>53515572
if he were white you'd be totally okay with his pedophilia

>>53517254
Actually, the Toxicrene isn't a bad model, i could accept him as the 'poison cover save' type guy.

But the rest can fuck off

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>>53517411
No I wouldn't, you Mudslime apologist.

Child-fuckers will get the rope. Brown, white, yellow or red - if you fuck kids, you're dead.

>>53517535
>>53517411
>>53516156
>>53515572
Guys can we keep the /pol/ shit out of the nids thread.

No one was seriously praising Allah it's a goddamn meme.

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>>53517254
>garbage-tier models (Haruspex, Maleceptor)
>hating on the maleceptor
the only thing that sucks about the brainbug is its rules

So, who are the big winners in the nid department this edition?

I feel like carnifexes are really solid and spammable now. Trygon seems also nice

>>53517516
The Haruspex and Maleceptor are fucking gorgeous models bruv. If anythings bloating the Codex it's shit like Hive Crones and Harpies being two different flying creatures for no reason, or the Trygon vs Trygon Prime thing which I agree with you on, or needing to make a separate profile entry for Shrikes and "sky-slashers" even though they don't have fucking models yet and not just making Wings a simple biomorph upgrade.

>>53517608
Warriors are dirt cheap and without ID they're pretty tanky, give them boneswords + lashwhip and scything talons and run those fuckers into melee.
Genestealers are ded killy if you can get them into melee, although 5++ is still squishy as hell

Biovore is a monstrous cheap anti tank artillery gun

Zoanthropes are cheap mind bullets turned up to 11

Carnifexes are cheap and spammable MC that will wreck shit

Hauruspex is rediculous because it basically cant die once it gets into melee

Swarmy is ded killy and makes your army even faster with hive commander.

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Even more evidence that 8th will Save 40k

>>53517608
12ppm Genestealers with 4 different buffs (more base speed, more attacks, Run-charge, and an invuln save for less points than before, holy fucking SHIT nigger)

23ppm BS/LW Warriors with adrenal glands

101ppm Adrenal screamer-killers

>>53517604
The brain / faceplate is okay.

But everything below that is awful, look at the ball joints on it's rending claws, that shit is Rat Ogre levels of bad, and the talons look so awkward. Terrible model

>>53517649
Oh they should have axed Sky-slashers and Shrikes all together. some of the most redundant entries ever

I also want to throw the Pyrovore into the same list, but i could accept him if we got a decent plastic doublekit

>>53517596
>calling a paedophile a criminal is /pol/
we are truely doomed

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>3 zoanthropes are mandatory now
>I only have 2 (one from 2nd edition and one from 5th)
>cant decide if I'm gonna buy a zoanthrope pack of 3 or a maleceptor on friday
AAAAAAAAAH

>>53517767
That's not what the post was about and you know it. It's the autistic REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MUDSLIMES DEUS VULT because someone jokingly said "Allah"

>>53517767
>Talking about stupid irrelevant shit in a thread you don't belong in

Yeah that's /pol/ alright. Now fuck off.

>>53516517
But those aren't BIG MONSTERS, silly!

>>53517802
Muhammad was literally a paedophile, though.

Where are you getting "autistic screeching" from? All he did was call a spade a spade.

I bet you haven't even read the Kuraan.

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>>53514963
STRENGTH 18 CRUSHING CLAWS
awesome

>>53516517
>>lictor has deathleaper bits and alternate unit of psychic manipulators
And maybe they can sculpt one that's actually scary again like the 2e version that still had fucking teeth

>>53517913
Strength 12 friend
Carnifex base strength was nerfed to 6

>>53517900
>implying bringing up some shit about islam in a completely unrelated thread isn't autistic screeching

>>53514828
>That seems terrifying
Keep in mind that smite is pretty easy for your opponent to manipulate. It must always target the nearest visible unit within 18". So they'll absolutely rip apart armies composed entirely of elite stuff but anyone with access to fodder and/or the range to keep their expensive stuff back has much less to fear. Plague Zombies will be particularly good against Zoanthropes.

>>53514615

How about pyrovores? I'm curious to see what's happened to them,

>>53514750
>You can chose to use its own psychic power and it targets a number of enemy units depending on how many wounds it still has. Roll 1 dice for the enemy units: on a 1 nothing happens. on a roll of 2+ the enemy unit suffers a mortal wound

what range? They described this as a psychic sniper, so it's probably 12" or some shit right?

>>53517741


Fuck, and I gave my warriors deathspitters because 7th was the shooting edition..

>>53517994
True, though I'd imagine you'd want your thropes babysitting something else anyway, so a squad of termagaunts nearby to help clear out any chaff would be enough to help them out.

Still great for focusing fire on hard targets, and even against those plague zombies you're still looking at a nice handful dying each turn.

>>53518056
>not magnetizing Warriors
What are you some kinda scrub

>>53518056
Same, but i do have 2 with swords. No whips though

What do Tyrant Guard do? got a resin one in the box, thinking of making it now

Also Hive guard. any idea how they are? they were my favorite shooting unit

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>>53518134
>What do Tyrant Guard do?
.........They Guard Tyrants, anon.

>Nid fans are happy
I feel like I'm in a crazy parallel universe.

>>53517942
hmm, str 6 carnifex doesnt sound very fexy.
i guess its fine, fexes in their old role have been replaced by the giatn tunnel worm thing

>>53518134

Safe to say Tyrant guard have a special rule that makes enemy shooting priorize them over Tyrants if they're closer.

>>53518228
Funny how fans of a faction can be pleased when someone bothers to put in the small modicum of effort to actually write rules that make sense and aren't designed specifically to shit on them to satisfy some manchild's grudge.

>>53518249
The crushing claws make up for it, though.

S6 fex is a little weak but low strength isn't as bad anymore as it used to be with the new Wound chart and it's closer to how the original version of the screamer-killer fex was at S7.

>>53517604
and the pose
and the textures
and the back plating that irks my autism

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>>53518270
>tau toned down slightly
>nids fucking buffed
>Demon bullshit addressed
>formations gone
>system bloat being addressed

The only thing that will make this god tier is eldar nerfbat

I believe in you geedubs

>>53517922
>tentacles aren't scary

not that I disagree with you, but I don't agree with you

Yay tyranids.

Where are the ork leaks?

>>53518131


I magnetized my MCs as I thought Qarriors are shit rither way.

Well, seems like I have to cut off the arms and magnetize them then

>>53518338
>even the shills forget about the npc faction

>>53518366
Just use deathspitters i guess

What do they do? anyone seen Raveners rules?

>>53518315
>and the pose
all the monstrous creatures aside from hive tyrant and carnifex have shit poses if you dont mod them a little.
>and the textures
same texture as every other tyranid MC model? It's just a matter of painting it properly.
>and the back plating that irks my autism
whats wrong with its back plating?

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Whoever is doing the leaks please take a picture of the Emperor's Champion, I need to see it!.

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>>53518228
>nid fans happy
>tau fags BTFO

What a time to be alive

>>53518456
>posts this in the nid thread
>not even the same book as nids
Anon pls

Brb buying a trygon, carnifexes and warriors

What a time to be alive

So, why are warriors viable now?
Noob here

>>53518723
they used to go splat due to instant death from krak missiles and above.

also they're dirt cheap

>>53518744

How much cheaper than before? I never played nids

>>53518779
Warriors used to be 30 points base, now you can get them for as cheap as 20 if you push it, or just a few more if you give them a basic gun or melee upgrades.

>>53518779
about roughly 3 fiddy

but seriously a similarly upgraded unit can look like they could cost half as much as before

So what do my fellow anons think of Hormagaunts in this edition? Will they ever get to eat face again or am I just dreaming of a bygone age? So far without advance+charge they just seem to be able to move that little bit further (nicely into the enemy's rapid fire range) before sitting there for a turn, being shot at, then being charged themselves so that they lose the "strikes first" benefit.

Does rumoured Catalyst in this edition make them work like the speedy little beasts they used to be, even with the rule of one in effect?

>>53518937
Onslaught gives Run+charge now, Catalyst is a 5+ FnP. Also we don't know the Hormagaunts full rules yet.

>>53518971
My bad, anon, thanks for the correction.

Read on one of the Nid FB groups that bounding leap just lets the new Horms pile in 6" (instead of 3") and that's basically all they're getting...

>>53518101
Yup. It should be an iteresting tactical puzzle either way. But I don't think it's an all conquering "I win button".

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>>53514615
>Praise Allah Tyranids are awesome again

>>53518357

Some vague ones out there, no scans, though.

That said, the edition itself already improved what they have:
>Charge has initiative
>Can always charge after shooting
>Twin-linked is more shots, not rerolls
>Ork handicaps toned down
>Vehicles more durable

>>53519035
>and that's basically all they're getting...
dude, that's HUGE if you start grasping the ramifications

consider that you can reach close combat with enemy units that you didn't declare a charge towards with the pile in movement, meaning you don't get their overwarch too; you only have to reach contact with one gaunt with the unit you've charged and then display the hormagaunts in a line where they are closer to other enemy units than the one you've charged; once the combat phase kicks in they move 6" towards the closest unit and you'll have performed a charge against multiple units without getting all their overwatch.
regardless of whether you kill enough of them, they will either have to retreat (and not shoot) or stay in combat and not shoot

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bless this mess

>>53518026

I've been told their gun is now range 12''. But thats all so far.

>>53518026
They don't seem all that better to me

they have 4 wounds now and their acid blood and their explosion upon death is actually designed to damage the enemy

they benefit from the general rules allowing them to advance and shoot with their assault flamer, on top of the armywide increased movement stat and slightly reduced point cost; the flamer has at least 10" with d6 hits at s5 and ap-1

I say biovores got way better since they literally rain mortal wounds

one thing though is that without templates and many units having rules focused on inflicting wounds with multiple damage or with no saves, I don't know where to go for a reliable anti horde; probably the usual wepons and the battleshock will do the job, but I see a high body count army having a place in the meta.

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thanks OP
finally worked myself into painting these tyrant/hiveguards for the 8th and now we get some rule leaks, perfect day.
also didnt find the WIP thread because beer and huffing citadel paint

>>53517973
But no one is screeching or even being autistic.

He called Mohammad a paedophile.

Mohammad *was* a paedophile.

Have you even read the Kuraan?

>>53519659
Bringing up the fact that hammers are made of steel in a discussion about the best thread count for sheets would be just as bad. It's a deliberate attempt to derail conversation.

>>53519720
Stop talking to him it's going nowhere.

>>53519612
I like your color scheme, very remeniscent of 1st edition nids

>>53519612
the colour scheme is cute as fuck

the blue lip on the tyrant looks nice, why aren't you extending that on the rest of the mouth and to the other nids?

also thin those white lines on the carapaces and use washes

>>53519720
It doesn't matter that it's off-topic.

He said it was autistic screeching, and I am arguing that it's not.

He's presenting that post as a hysterical reactionary, which it is not.

Mohammad was a paedophile, and that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but it is *not* "autistic screeching" to point out that Mohammad was a paedophile.

>>53519833
So what are your thoughts on 8th Edition 40k?

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>>53519833
>>53519720
>>53519659

>>53519165
Those things look exactly like my vision of eldritch bio-horror.
Thanks for the nightmares, anon.

>>53519165
Holy fuck that's a cool conversion

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>>53514615

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>>53519988

>>53519988
>Shadow in the Warp actually does something
THANK FUCK

>>53515842
All it's wargear is free while all the rest have to pay for theirs. Even the ones with no options.

>>53519988
>shadow in the warp
nice
>shadow and synapse are only 8"
ouch
>instinctive behaviour
kinda reasonable

>>53520152
Leaks reveal that Hive Tyrants synapse and shadow are still 12"

Also the new IB is SUPER reasonable compared to "roll dice to see if you run away or eat yourself"

>>53519988
I am a little dissapointed that the <Hive Fleet> tag is really just fluff at this point. I expected something more akin to chapter tactics, with an actual rule impact.

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>>53519988
got one more

>>53520223
from what ive been told its the same for all other <x> i guess its a placeholder for when the new codexs arrive

I have a question regarding carnifexes or units with multiple wespons in general.

When I have an attacking Carnifex, what determines which weapons/profiles are used for its x attacks?

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>>53520023
>>53519988
what about the crone or the hive guard's weapons?

>>53519809
>>53519814
thanks guys
started painting them this way around 8 years ago and got somewhere between 8000 and 9000 points done.

im lazy with the carapaces and like that high contrast that comes with big white edgestripes on the table, looks sharp and candylike farther away.

never used washes with nid skin and cant really start now because they would look different than rest of them, also white highlight takes the eye away from pretty bland skin.

thanks again and lets nom our way into 8th

>>53520285

You do. You can split your attacks between your weapons however you like.

>>53520228
Can we get the differences Massive Sytals and Monstrous Scytals?

>>53520228
moar

Warriors

>>53520289
sorry thats pretty much all i got right now, all courtesy of a friend

>>53520228
>Weapon beast

Holy fuck the Fleshborder hive gets FOURTY shots just for standing still.

I loved that gun, and i'm gonna love it again

>>53520285
you choose how to divide the attacks between the weapons

>>53520394
oh well, thanks anyway

>>53520228
the toxicrene looks a tad bit disappointing to me

what role does it fill that the other bugs don't already?

>>53520472
i agree, it seems like its meant to be a horde killer but we got plenty for that already. i guess if you want a cheap-ish mc it costs just around 150 if my math holds up

>>53520553
why not just buy 2 carnifexes then?

>>53520472
>>53520577
See


>>53517254

This is the exact problem with having like 7 footslogging melee monsters

>>53520553
I always thought the toxicrene would have looked better if it was a synaptic creature and worked as a poison buff for nearby units, but it seems GW is going to keep it as a reitaration of what was an all around badly designed unit for a badly designed codex

>>53520577
yeah i dont really know, i guess that saves us having to deal with its tentacles on the board though

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>>53520438
i can give you trygon prime and tervigon, though they are lower res but stil somewhat readable

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>>53518373
Hurr durr being enthused makes somebody a shill

>>53520616
>hating on the maleceptor
A MC zoanthrope is cool in concept and atleast looks more unique than carnifex redesign #4

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>>53520704

>>53520731
damnit cant read the rule :(

>>53517596

>my shit is a epik meme and everyone has to put up with it
>your shit is deplorable and should go back to/pol/

Nah.

>>53520731
>those spawn termagaunt rules
wait a moment
wait a fucking moment
unless I'm missing something, there is no "you have to buy the termagaunts" clause here, it's just 10 free termagaunts either as a new unit or restocking of an existing unit.

That is really fucking strong and totally make the 50~ point hike worth it

ou, unreadable :(

>>53520731
Cheers m8

>>53520804
it will probably work like summons does in AoS, new units pay for each model, restocking units is free but cant go beyond starting size

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>>53520731
>tyranid prime still adds +1 to hit for warriors and shrikes
>hes the cheapest nid HQ
>warriors are dirt cheap and good in 8th

yesssssss

>>53520731
>>53520752
At the end of your movement phase, a Tervigon can spawn Termagaunts.
If it does so, add a new unit of 10 Termagaunts to your army and set it up on the battlefield so that it it wholly within 6" of the Tervigon and more than 1" from the enemy.
All of these models are armed with fleshborers.
Alternatively, you can replace up to 10 models lost earlier in the battle in an existing unit of Termagaunts from your army that is within 6" of the Tervigon.
Models placed in this way must be within 6" of the Tervigon and more than 1" from the enemy.
You can only replace models armed with fleshborers. If you cannont place some of the models the excess is discarded.

Also, Synaptic backlash
If a Tervigon is reduced to 0 wounds, roll a d6 before removing the model from the battlefield. Each friendly <HIVE FLEET> Termagaunt unit within 6" of the Tervigon immediatly suffers a number of Mortal wounds equal to the result.

And the first rule lets you reroll 1s on shooting with nearby gaunts.

>>53520752
alternatively you can replace up to -- models --- unit of termagants.
i get the feel we can reinforce our exisiting squads

>>53520731
is tervigons as troops kill?

>>53520877
Yeah, if you have a unit of 30 termagaunts, you can just shove 10 back in every single turn.

Even if new squads aren't free, it should be easy to get a similar degree of value.

>>53520854
>Not using a Broodlord with a 20 man Genestealer unit and a Trygon for T1 charges to destroy a unit

>>53520899
I mean, do you really need it when there's a lot of HQ taxes on detatchments already, along with a Detatchment that's 3 HQs 0-1 elites, and 0-1 LoW?

You'll have plenty of space for them, and you won't even be restricted by the number of termagaunt units.

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Im happy for my nid friends, but sad. Now orks will be bottom tier alone, its lonely. Nothing I have seen for orks has been anything but mediocre. Sure you have good battleshock rules, but no actual punch to go along with your models not running. I think they have changed the least since 7th, and its going to be depressing.

>>53514615

How is the good old dakkafex looking point wise?

>>53520704
>>53520228
>>53520023
>death throes
what the fuck is the point of this shit
if they wanted to fill the datasheet they could have chosen more characterising rules

I can't stack my nids or they risk of tearing each other apart again now

>>53520988
>each unit
damn your right i missed that completely

>>53520988
I'd rather risk gaunts taking mortal wounds and have a chance of dealing them to terminators.

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>>53520927
Is this strategy possible? It says we set-up the Trygon and it's buddy unit at the end of the movement phase. Can the Swarmlord's ability still activate at this time?

On the bigger chaff units this isn't really a major issue. Just avoid stacking monsters I suppose. But for the amount of times it is likely to be a problem, the benefit of stacking big hitters probably outweighs the risks of taking a few wounds

Overall looks good, but we have to remember the 8th general changes hurt nids pretty bad.

MEQ will hit your dedicated melee units on 3+ instead of 4+/5+

Lasguns wound T6 on 5+ and T7 on 6+, bolter wounds up to T8 on 5+

Initiative is gone (and that was a major nid boon)

On the other hand, the new movement stat helps.

>>53520988
>>53521118
Yeah, I think it's basically supposed to be the MC having siezures as it falls over and crushes things.

I think that's a good reason to just run your wounded nids headlong into the enemy though. If somebody kills it in close combat, it may just come crashing down on them.

>>53521137
8th is good for swarms and assault.
Unless your idea of nids is 7th meta.

>>53521137
>Lasguns wound T6 on 5+
>bolter wounds up to T8 on 5+

Those are both still hitting those at 6

Initiative being gone also is actually a bonus, since while Nids had good initiative, we had no grenades, so everything, even the giant skyscraper sized stuff, struck last if there was some rubble in the way.

>>53520731
i havent played for a long long time - is there anything that spawns hormagaunts?

>>53520988
It is basicly the same thing as vehicles exploding. Bringing MCs and vehicles in the same boat and battlefield role/behavior i guess. I don't 100% agree with it, but i see where they are going with it.

>>53521137
>Lasguns wound T6 on 5+ and T7 on 6+, bolter wounds up to T8 on 5+
you got it wrong m8, you start wounding stuff on 6 once its toughness is double tour strength, not after that

>>53521137

Initiative being gone helps most monsters and things without grenades, it's great for nids and bad for maroonz

>>53520988
It means when they're in close combat and die they have a chance to fuck shit up.

>>53514615
Why does everyone get cool shit but neo-necrons are garbage

>>53521191
unfortunately not

unless you consider a drop pod releasing hormagaunts spawning

I really hope FW does some conversion kit for these kinks

>>53520949
Cheer up buddy, we haven't seen everything yet. I don't think they left Orks totally in the dust. Not to mention, of all the races in the game, I think Orks benefit the most from the new core rules.

>>53521161
>Unless your idea of nids is 7th meta.

I'm a 4th oldfag, I miss my 6 carniflex list with 6 114pt dakkafex and my pre-rending-nerf raveners

>>53521235
Maybe because we've seen a small handful of the necrons updates, so there isn't anything to judge?

>>53521235
>they keep on reanimating all turns
>all vehicles reciver wounds all turns
>quantum shielding will fuck up the meta alone
how did the saying go about the garden of the neighbours?

>>53514615
Show me them Tyrant Guard brah, I wanna know how protected my Swarmlord will be.

Not a nid player, but wanted to say I'm super happy for you guys. Your bugs look like they're going to be mean and scary, and you guys deserve a good codex after the shit you've put up with.

Happy face eating!

r8 footslog army

Detachment: the one that required 2 HQ and 3 troops but gave +3 command points.

HQ:
Tervigon: ST and Stinger salvo (250)
Tyranid Prime: BS+LW and ST (102)

Troops:
6xwarriors with BS and ST (144)
6xwarriors with BS+LW and ST (132)
30xtermagaunts (120)
30xtermagaunts (120)

Elite:
Maleceptor (182)
2xHive guard: (96)
3xZoanthropes (120)

Heavy:
3xcarnifex with 2xST (261)
3xBiovores (108)
1xExocrine (216)


Total point cost: 1851

>>53521364
Thanks anon! I hope your army is similarly not shit this edition.

>>53521378
I say drop the second termagant unit, add venomthropes to keep the warriors protected and the remaining points in the form of termagants to spawn later on

I'd also consider old one eye almost mandatory with a close combat carnifex brood, but I'm not sure it would fit somewhere

>>53515502
Pretty much like in 6th ed

So can I finally is we my one melee Walkrant instead of my 3 flying TLDWBLW ones?

>>53521242
I want 2,000 points of Hormagaunts + mild support. If everything can wound everything now, I should be able to just mass-carpet the enemy in a tide of omnom.

>>53521551
you have to shoot the closest target in 8th, thats why I took 2x30 termagaunts instead of venomthropes, because 60 termagaunts that regenerate 10 gaunts every round is a lot to chew through to get to the rest of the army

also venomthrope is -1 to hit and not bonus cover save.

>>53521627
This. There's nothing stopping you taking ~400 termagaunts, 4 points each. Take as much synapse as you can as cheap as you can, and a few scary things if you feel like having fun.

>>53521639
>you have to shoot the closest target in 8th
that's only for characters

characters can't be targeted if there're closer units

warriors aren't characters, they get targeted normally, it's only your prime that can stay safely behind gaunts

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>>53521642
>take stock tyranid prime
>surround him with termagaunts that are all spread out so atleast one model is within 8"
>spend remaining 1900 points on termagaunts
>field 475 termagaunts and a prime who will never, EVER get shot at

>>53519988
>8" Synapse
As long as Warriors aren't shit, I guess it's okay

>>53521788
Unless they have snipers.

>>53521672
well shit, I dont have any venomthropes. also considering the warriors are like 22/24 points a pop I was really more trying to just do target saturation since the best guns for taking them down will have to be diverted away from the 6 tough monstrous creatures.

>>53521817
>Implying the snipers can get in range without entering melee with the termagaunts

blast weapons only doing d6 hits was a mistake

>>53521803
>no ID
>you can get one with bonesword + lash whip and scything talons for 22 points

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kek

>>53521839
>what is a transuranic arquebus
60" fuck you

>>53521788
also the character rule only works against shooting, not psychic powers

>>53521908
I though some anon said that psychic powers had to target closest regardless if it was a character or not? Are zoanthropes super snipers?

>>53521908
psychic powers seem to have a built in "target the closest unit" usually

>>53521893
What the fuck is this supposed to be, you baby molesting shit-skin faggot?

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>>53521893
>muh fee fees

>>53521893
some people need to learn how to stop being such mongoloid kike cunts

please screencap this thread and send it to that guy <3

>>53521963
They are probably monitoring it

I don't even remember my old account there

>>53521893
I hope I never meet this colossal waste of fucking skin.

Let me say this now. I respect the majority of you cunts on this site for being able to take verbal abuse without getting upset. This person should never have been allowed to survive childhood. The Spartans would have thrown him off a fucking cliff.

Bumping for Tyrant Guard hope

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>>53521893
I wonder how they would react to the cult

>>53522054
I love how of all chapters to get BTFO by the nids they picked Howling Griphons

Feels good man

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>>53521893
Ahahaha

Get fucked you failed abortion niggerfaggot

Hope you cucks are triggered hard

>>53520704
215pts for a MC that can turn 1 charge 56% of the time, bring a troop choice with it, shoot 12 strength 5 shots, and proceed to rape things in melee.

Not bad

>>53514638

>still only two universal biomorph options

GW why?

>>53522366
44% chance for turn 1 charge. Unless they don't address the trygon's football base.

>>53515502

It's almost like one is bigger and has the ability to take heavy weapons

>>53522366
>can turn 1 charge 56% of the time
what?
if it deploys more than 9" away it will need to roll 9
8 if you give it adrenaline

I highly doubt 8 is within the 56% of 2d6 considering 7 is the average

Rolling an 8+ is around 42%, not including using a command re-roll to get in.

Nice work so far leaky Anon, get on with the rest there's a good chap.

>>53520988

It's literally the monstrous creature version of vehicle explosion.

You're Tyranids, who cares if your big bug steps on a couple gaunts if he takes just as many space marines down too

>>53521364
This is gonna sound stupid but this actually means a lot to me, thanks kind non-nid anon.

>>53522733
Fucking thank you. I can't believe anyone was upset about this rule. It's straight up beneficial most of the time if you aren't retarded about your unit placement.

>>53522598
Is this with or without Adrenal Glands?

>>53522733
if your big bug isn't taking a dozen space marines out with it when it drops you're using it wrong

>>53522988
you need to roll a 9 to succeed in a charge from deepstrike, 8 is with the glands

>>53514615
>267 points for a Haruspex

Christ almighty. What exactly does it do?

>>53523130
Everything

>>53514963
>OOE is looking to be good again.

Aww yes.

>>53523130

strength 14

>>53523035
Could you use that psychic power to advance another d6 before charging which lets you get the charge distance on average?

>>53523130
A slew of anti infantry attacks that generate anti armor attacks and heals itself.

Oh God, my dream of viable nidzilla becomes finally real

-hive tyrant with whatever works
-3 carnifexes
-2 squads of warriors
-trygon
-hive guard
-20 termagants as fodder

I am so happy anons

>>53516927
>who needs flesh hooks when you always strike first on charge?

I'll take - Hormagaunts charging enemies in cover. Lictors charging enemies in cover, etc. Not to mention that it begs the question: "How many pieces of wargear / equipment will give units or special characters in 8th Edition the ability to override 'charging units always strike first' rules?"

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WASNT 8TH EDITION SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALL ONLINE RULES SO THEY CAN UPDATE THEM AND NOT HAVE A CONSTANT SHIT STORM OF IMBA?

>>53523261
onslaught lets you advance and assault
since deep striking units deploy at the end of movement phase they can't advance

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>>53523417
>using termagaunts in nidzilla
>not using rippers
n000000000000000b

>>53523619
>Hormagaunts charging enemies in cover. Lictors charging enemies in cover

You strike first in 8th. What's the problem again?

>>53523619
Charging through cover literally does nothing anymore. Hormagaunts charging through cover still strike first.

>>53523638

No, that was only ever a meme spread by retards.

>>53518453
>>and the back plating that irks my autism
>whats wrong with its back plating?

A 12 year old with a pointy stick can literally stab it in the brain if said 12 year old is lucky. For a xeno race described as having advanced evolutionary abilities, models with 'Mah X-Bawk Huge Brains' hanging out is just plain dumb design. (It's why I hate the newer Zoanthrope models too.) Having armor that purposely includes holes directly exposing the brain is even worse.

>>53523681
Some of us like the models and don't feel the need to waste time building ripper bases

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>>53523804

>newer zoanthrope models

Did you mean all of them?

Lemme see dem sexy Tyrant Guard rules pls

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>>53523707
>>53523737
>Charging through cover literally does nothing anymore.

My Reaction When...

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>>53523865
2nd Edition - iffy (depending on paint job - I didn't paint mine like it was brain matter)...
3rd / 4th - no 'obvious' raw brain matter sticking out.
5th edition metal - OBVIOUS brain matter sticking out.
New plastic - OBVIOUS brain matter sticking out.

>>53524159
...you sure it isn't their intestinal track?

>>53523417

You can go 100% MCs now. Nidzilla will be fun.

>>53522530
8 is like 35-45% odds

>>53521893
Those people fail to comprehend that on the grounds of 4chan, nigger and faggot are not slurs, but rather our preferred pronouns.

>>53524425
topkek nigger

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>>53523865
the last one makes me laugh

>>53524425

It makes sense when you put it that way.

>>53514615
Real important shit, do winged tyrants have a minimum movement and can they charge non-flyers? Because i use the wings to move my meleerants across the table right now and it would blow if they were useless now.

>>53524680
No minimum movement, and they can indeed charge flyers. However, they can also be charged normally.

What do Monstrous weapons mean? is that just for the big girrblies? or does it have a different rule set?

>>53524680
Flyrants are like Heldrakes they have the fly keyword so they can assault ground and air targets, but not the airborne keyword so they can be charged themselves

Someone have the Dark Eldar leaks?

>>53524858
They're all in the general thread >>53524838

>>53524764
>>53524845
Good shit, thank you anons

>>53521788
>>53521672
150 points for Tyranid Prime (give him some upgrades
370 Hormaguants
A nice even 2,000 point army, and only 12 troop slots neede4d.

A few more leaks have been released. Some of the pictures have been taken using a block of Swiss cheese and are all are taken from of the French rules.

Hive Guard: http://imgur.com/QAsCMuO
Hive Tyrant: http://imgur.com/hOTcGYb
Hive Crone and Mucolid Spores: http://imgur.com/BEqDeEc
Harpy: http://imgur.com/lnE5RG1
Weapon Profiles 1: http://imgur.com/ZriqAZW
Weapon Profiles 2: http://imgur.com/QUSzXAW
Mawloc/Exocrine: http://imgur.com/tFtVlxB

>>53524912
>tyrant guard isnt in english
>the rest are too small to read
thanks i guess?

>>53524947
Hive Tyrant is T:5 W:10 that's pretty cool.

>>53524912
Why are these pics taken with a potato?

>>53524992

Isn't that rather squishy?

>>53524912
Did they take these pics with their asshole?

>>53525069
It can be protected

>>53524992
It's T6

I am about to magnetize my hive tyrant, dunno if I should bother with the wings as they are hard to properly do.

Any advice?

>>53519154
Only if that's the
> Nearest enemy unit (closer than the one you charged)
> They don't just move away, since the pile in is now at the start of the NEXT fight phase, meaning after their movement phase

>>53525265
in general yes - if only because that makes transport considerably easier when you can take wings off
magnetize each with at 2 points or magnet + pin

>>53525265
I did a magnet and pin. Works pretty well and easy to do

>>53519988
Instinctive behavior is fluffy again WOOOOO!
>>53520023
Welp, that settles it. Goodbye, Exocrine, you're getting a new head.

So hypothetically, I could make a list up of Tyranids from the 3rd edition codex I grew up with +1 Trygon for super big snake goodness and have it be a functional army?

>>53525448
Yes, sort of.

Anyone got the Stompa stats from earlier? I can't remember if it was above T8.

>>53523865
I love the newest ones smile, like he knows something we don't. Quite appropriate for a giant brain.

>>53525376

>not magnetizing for all options from the beginning

What are you a scrub?

>>53524912
Wish the Tyrant was 9w instead, 1 extra wound just means it can be targeted easier with the new rules. Absolute bullshit.

>>53525634
Just lazy as fuck, and I planned to use the spare bits for conversions but lazy

>>53525724
I thought it has to be 11 to be targeted

>>53525154
>>53525069
oh shit bad quality
it is t6 that isn't too bad.

How the fuck do people manage to take such shitty photos?

>>53525724

It's a monstrous creature. It should be targetable.

Hive Tyrant gets a 5+ invuln save

>>53518269
it'll probably be like crisis suit bodyguards.

if the character is within 3 inches and sufferrs a wound. on a 2+ the bodyguards take the wound instead.

>>53525479
I remember seeing it on reddit. It had 40 wounds and started at s10.

>>53525724
Shoot The Big Ones, newfriend.

But seriously, just give him Tyrant Guard.

Also consider a Winged Tyrant can now move 16" and charge, there's no more "Gliding" and "Swooping" and changing flight modes and restrictions on charging from doing so etc.

>>53526141
Oh right and the psychic barrier 5+ invuln as >>53526086 said is a thing too.

And it can cast Catalyst on itself for 5+ FnP if you're really scared of your Tyrant getting picked out.

But I think my favorite part of the new Tyranids is that they play very much like the OLDSCHOOL nids now where you protect your stuff mainly just by having so many threats in your opponent's face right off the bat that they cannot afford to just focus all the fire on what the want to hit, if they don't try and devote some firepower to clear the onrushing hordes they're gonna get overrun.

It's fucking glorious.

>>53521191
Lorewise, it wouldn't make sense as hormagaunts are one of the few tyranids that can reproduce relatively naturally rather than being spawned from a central hive.

so, guys: are tyranids really tier 1 now? I've heard they're quite good now...

>>53526545
No. Maybe high 2, but they're not strong enough for tier 1. That's still looking to be marines and eldar.

>>53526704
from all leaked codexes to this moment, are any of them on par with nids?

>>53526704
What are you talking about? We don't even have much leaked for Marines or Eldar and almost everything that made Marines tier 1 is GONE GONE GONE.

The reports coming out from stores where the leakers were able to playtest games with new rules today said Tyranids and Dark Eldar were the top winners, consistently.

>>53521120
>Guardsman using an Astrates Bolt Pistol
I hope it blows his arm off.

>>53526754
Sauce?

new drop pod
https://imgur.com/Rke8Zfk
the days of marines dropping their crap everywhere is gone

>>53527023
0 attacks too, so no flapping doors

Kind of glad you can't stick Centurions or the like inside them anymore. It was always pretty weird.

Is there a separate one for Dreadnoughts?

>>53527292
>Is there a separate one for Dreadnoughts?
Forge World has one.

interesting

>Deathspitter w/ maggots 18" A3 S7 -1AP 1D
10pts a piece assuming 20pts a pair

>Devourer w/ worms 18" A3 S6 0AP 0D
7pts a piece assuming 14pts a pair

Might be the end of the Devourer Flyrant

>>53527380
erm 1D for the devourer, lol. Otherwise it would certainly be the end of the Devourer Flyrant

>>53527380
I always thought a Hive Tyrant with those weapons looked really goofy. I'm happy about this.

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>>53527416
i didn't think they looked too bad

>>53527553
Can you buy a Hive Tyrant two heavy ranged weapons again?

>>53527380
>Might be the end of the Devourer Flyrant
The wings taking up a weapon slot now certainly ended that, as well as the fact that you no longer get the re-roll for twin-linked but keep the same number of shots unlike other armies twin-linked weapons.

Can't say I'm sad to see them go, though. I just wish they had a role that wasn't [exactly the same as the new deathspitters but worse for less points]

May the flying melee Tyrant live long and slaughter

>>53526796
Just hearsay so it could be wrong. But there's no reason to think Marines are going to be particularly strong given the leaks we've seen.

>>53527610
That was definitely bullshit, and shows that they still have no idea how to properly separate out the deathspitters and devs.

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>>53527610
wings don't take a weapon slot, scythe wings are for crones/harpies

>>53528058
Huh. Interesting. I stand corrected, thank you anon. Got more?

>>53528058
Nice to see the Hive Tyrant finally gets a Invulnerable Save

I'm wondering if it'd be useful to just take 2 Tevigons and enjoy your never ending swarm of gribblies.

MOAH PIX PL0X

>>53528058
>Replace both pairs of monstrous scything talons with two items from the Monstrous Bio-cannons list.

So this pretty much means you can run around with two Heavy Venom Cannons?

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>>53528058
I didn't think my dick could get any harder from Nid spoilers.

>>53528297

sadly, this >>53519988 says you can't have more than one cannon, which i assume means you cant have a pair of stranglethorns, a pair of Venoms, or one of each.

which is confusing since they are all technically cannons.

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>>53528412

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>>53514615
>tfw collected nids over a decade ago and starting to dust them off for 8th
Never sell models m8, even if you think you're Done for Good this Time(tm).

>>53528789
Meant for
>>53515250

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>>53528058
5++
5++
5++
5++
omfg my erection
its too much
please no more

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>>53528789
>mfw dusting off metal 2nd edition nids for the first time since the early 2000s
>mfw I have no face, only BLAARGHALGABALRLB now
We live, brothers

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>>53528058
I'm pretty happy with this

>>53520023
>haruspex data sheet
>toxicrene on the picture

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>>53528789
>tfw I have a mixture of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 7th nids
>1st edition warriors are taller than my 2nd edition hive tyrant

I love it.
any news on what lord or war nids get? It's gonna be swarmy isn't it?

>>53517783
Make them out of hormagaunts and greenstuff

>>53529184
Toxicrene is probably on the opposite page. It was the same with Saint Celestine being underneath the Canoness entry

>>53518249
Carnifexes were originally S7 T8

Got Swarmlord or Warrior pages?

Death Throes has to be one of the neater rules for Tyranid MCs.

>>53527610
>Can't say I'm sad to see them go, though. I just wish they had a role that wasn't [exactly the same as the new deathspitters but worse for less points]
well thats what the smaller versions have been for a couple edditions now.

>>53519165
This is f*cking disgusting. Whoever made this is genius.

>>53529870
You're allowed to just say 'fucking'
Fucking fuckers fucking fuckers for fucking up fucking fucking.

>>53529870
>f*cking
The fuck is the point of cursing if you don't actually do it?