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>>53479270

Burn is better than DSJ
Only retards think otherwise

>>53513964
Considering that "better" is a subjective term...

>>53514056
>Better
>Subjective
Tell me how lightning bolt is subjectively worst than shock

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>>53514367
Pic related.

Tell me how Burn is objectively better than DSJ.

>>53514425
>Someone losing tempo against a 1cmc is worst than not losing any tempo, when it has been demonstrated that 1 Mana is Worth at least 2 life.
Do you even play the game? Burn can easily defeat DSJ

>>53514562
So one deck being able to defeat another makes that deck better?

Are you sure you understand how metagames work?

>>53513964
Burns a great deck. It literally just needs one card to push it into extremely good. I want Sulfuric Vortex or another good red creature.

>>53515003
Modern Burn needs fireblast IMO
Being able to safely kill eidolon in the mirror match is important

>>53515003
>>53515129
just reprint price of progess 2bh. that's literally all we need for modern burn to be fair & balanced.

>>53485187
I don't think there's a way to make Stompy faster, but there is a lot of disruption cards that can be put in the sideboard that haven't been tested yet

>>53515003
Harsh Mentor?

>>53515504
Even with those cards, Stompy just isn't viable in competitive Modern.

>>53515461
Burn is already tier 1. Do you want it it be teir 0?

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Would a card like this help to make jeskai control more viable?

>>53515553
I just want Sulfuric Vortex. I hate losing to topdecking lands.

>>53515608
That's literally every deck. Every single deck loses to late game land top decks.

Go play manaless dredge if you don't want to lose to land (unless you play against legacy lands, but that's another story)

>playing
Faeries
>brewing
Faeries
>hating
Ad Naus, burn
>metagame thoughts
Unban Eye, ban Temple, ban Cavern, ban Goblin Guide, ban Eidolon, ban Angel's Grace, ban Ad Naus, reprint Counterspell

>>53515639
Except Valakut decks.

>>53515708
>hating ad nauseam
>as faeries
Just play thoughtsiezes and inquisitions and you should beat ad nauseam. Hell, throw in some vendillion cliques and a bit of counter magic and you should win easily.

>>53515708
Lol just because your tier 3 shitbrew loses to Burn doesnt mean they will ever ban it. Keep crying as you get Lava Spiked to death. Do you not like that Eidolon causes all of your gay faeries to shock you?

>>53515708
>unban eye, ban temple
>making 4+ mana on one turn from one land, and a tutor effect, is more powerful than making 2 mana that is limited to eldrazi

>>53515740
Not him but Faeries aren't exactly tier 3

>>53515708
Interactionfags everyone
>Ban a land because I cant counter things that are cast off it
>Ban two Burn creatures because my decks a durdly pile of shit that cant beat a fast clock
>Ban a fair combo because im shit at the game

>>53515774
Correction
>ban a fair combo that my deck has a good matchup against because im shit at the game

>>53515739
I've been playing Tron for 4 years, so my hatred of Ad Naus is mostly a holdover from that. And I've just never liked burn or stomp in general.

>>53515805
>Tronfag
>Hating fair decks
Ironic, isn't it?

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Is this chart accurate?

>>53515805
>I lose to decks I can't disrupt their plan or can't outrace
>so they should be banned
What a fucking cuck

>>53515832
Nah, seems appropriate. They hate us, no reason I can't hate them back.

>>53515805
>Tronfag
>getting to hate anything
Fuck you. I hope the Burn player always opens up the triple Guide turn 2 hand on you.

>>53515901
Their hate is justified.

>>53515901
They hate you because Tron is fucking cancerous and warps the meta around it

>>53515917
Hyper aggro decks like burn and tron both do the same shit - lock up the game by turn 4. In both cases, their opponent never gets to play Magic. Tron just does it in a cooler way.

Urza's Tower is banned
Urza's Power Plant is banned
Urza's Mine is banned
Eldrazi Temple is banned

How does the meta change?

Tron is fun

>>53515979
You could not be more fucking wrong.

>>53515901

>Scissors, kill yourself
>Love rock

Is it not bullying at that point?

>>53515987
Blue fags crawl out of the woodwork and the format becomes a no-fun zone.

>>53515865
>Scapeshift in two places
>Tron fair
>No living end

>>53515865
>podless pod
>b/x eldrazi
You can tell this was made a while ago.

>>53515865

I get interactive vs linear, but what does exactly means being a fair/unfair deck

>>53516009
Blue sucks with or without Tron

>>53516109
There's no codified definition. Most people will agree it has something to do with how "possible" that deck's plays should be. You shouldn't be able to cast Ugin turn 4, but with Tron you can. You shouldn't be able to draw your deck on your opponent's turn 4, but with Ad Naus you can. That kinda stuff.

>>53516109
Definitions vary, but usually a "fair" deck is playing "normal" magic (e.g. T2 I play a land, cast a 2/2 for 2, and then attack). An "unfair" deck is not playing normal magic (e.g. T3 I play a land, now I tap for 7 mana to play Karn).

>>53515988
Tron is gay

I play Burn just to beat that gay ass Urza bullshit deck. I cherish every win against Tron.

>>53516205
>>53516206

thanks, that make sense

I thought it was weird that storm is more unfair than lantern, now I get it

I'd still put lantern a little bit up into unfair. Fucking moxes.

>>53516258
Why are you red people so angry all the time? Just try casting Karn on turn 3 once and tell me it doesn't feel great.

What are some good answers to Titanshift? I use Eldritch Evolution as a toolbox and have 1of Magus of the Moon in sb, but that's basically my only clear option along with 4x Path.

Do I just try and luck into Runed Halo?

>>53516360
Aven Mindcensor

>>53516454
Good, thanks.

>>53516616
And it doubles up against Gifts Storm g1, very good.

havnt played mtg in years.

how is modern atm? How good is archetype distribution on say MTGO? Last time I played the closest thing to a control deck was tron and the format was highly linear and uninteractive. has this improved?

>>53516922
If it's been years, then you probably missed Lantern Control becoming a thing.

>>53516922
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern/full#paper

highly slanted towards aggressive decks as always. UW and lantern control are very viable and have put up good results recently. diversity has been better and worse but I wouldnt say its particularly bad right now

>>53515597
That card is god awful. Can't do anything for 3 turns is not worth anything bar winning the game outright.

>>53516922
It's still linear and uninteractive, but it's very satisfying to take games off the worst of them by disrupting their plan. I won a game as Tron against Ad Nauseam by forcing them to pop their Lotus Blooms early and taking them off lands. In hindsight I was probably super ahead that game, but it never felt like it because I was always worried he'd just do some dumb shit like SSG -> SSG -> Angel's Grace -> win.

>>53516087
B/x Eldrazi just won a GP though.

>>53515865
Post UW Titan list please.

What's the best version of abzan I can build if I do not have goyfs or lilianas? Abzan liege?

>>53517148
Just don't respond to that guy. He posts stupid shit in every thread.

>>53515865
UW control is far more interactive than jund. Its essentially all interaction with a colonnade beatdown plan

Lantern control is about as interactive as burn

>>53516360
a player got me with chord for shattered angel once. it was an incredibly weird thing too, who the fuck runs shattered angel? a player at a different store got me with tunnle ignus. if you don't have bolt in hand to kill it you just fucking die

aven mindcensor is a hoe. shadow of doubt is a hoe.

>>53517299
UW control = board wipe, then counter / kill everything
Lantern control = ensnaring bridge, then stop all relevant draws
They're just as interactive.

>>53517299
Lantern is extremely interactive you moron, you play discard to interact with the hand and are constantly interacting with the top of your opponents library as well as their more problematic permanents. Just because the endgame is to lock you out does not mean the deck is not interactive.

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Is there a forum like the original wizards forums where people were so awful at modern that they thought decks like these were competitive?

>>53518545
You're on one right now.

>>53516036
>tron fair
>didn't read lol

Chart is shit btw. Bogles is definitely more linear than Dredge, Affinity, and Infect. Zoo is not more linear than Burn. Hatebears is misplaced. Lantern should probably be dead center. It's interactive until it has the lock, at which point it becomes solitaire. Not sure what B/x Eldrazi is. The only black Eldrazi deck is BW Eldrazi / Eldrazi Taxes, and there are basically no W/x D&T lists that aren't Eldrazi Taxes.

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People were posting sample hands after shuffling last thread. I'm a loser so I figured I would do so too.
Overall it feels like a good keep. It even has my spicy 1 of hellion. I make sure to go WRYYYYYY whenever I cast it because I'm a fucking sperg.

>>53519008
>Not sure what B/x Eldrazi is
In the long long ago before Pro Tour Oath of the Gatewatch gave birth to Eldrazi Winter, B/x Eldrazi was the main flavor of Eldrazi deck running around, playing things like Wasteland Strangler.

>>53519008
>it's interactive until it gets the lock
At which point it has all but won the game so I feel like that not a correct categorization considering you spend more time interacting with the deck.

>>53519149
>white bordered bolt
triggered.jpg

>>53519149
post playmat

>>53518993
Not even /tg/ is as bad as the wizards forums were. /tg/ atleast knows what a bad deck is.

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>>53519291
It's a silly cannuck mat I won back in April it is in no way impressive, but it makes my opponents overestimate my actual level of skill. I make bad plays on purpose to try and catch people off guard.

>>53519466

>I make bad plays on purpose to try and catch people off guard

Has that ever worked?

is desolator the worst mtg youtuber?

Obligatory shitdeck posting.
Casting Collective Brutality vs Burn on all 3 modes pitching the land their Guide gave you is pure bliss.
Added 3 Ghost Quarter to shore up my Tron matchup, came up once where I Quartered a UR land and they fetched a basic swamp without floating U so i got around their countermagic.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-02-17-modern-tezz/
>>53519595
I've seen people bluff with Pithing Needle naming stuff like LED and hoping their opponents wouldn't read to hard into it.

>>53519595
Yes. Many times.

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>>53519632
The worst that anybody knows about at least.

White or Black splash for BtL Scapeshift?

>>53519793
Black
Push is generally better than Path after all.
Run a 1 of Infernal Tutor for spice.

>>53519793
White has better hate options in general.

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Stop netdecking.

>>53519956
Come at me scrublord.

>>53519706
Oh God is that really what he looks like? It's exactly as I imagined. Soulless eyes, dead hair, shitty cut, random sports jersey with the plain white undershirt, all laid over some awful early 2000s cgi art. It's like if someone drew a picture to describe one of his videos.

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>>53519956
haha make me

>>53519875
Is there any spell more secretly miserable than Path to Exile? If you're not playing Leonin Arbiter or like actual Land Tax you feel fucking terrible every time you cast it.

>>53520139
I don't mind playing it in my Burn SB
Letting a goyf stick around is a lot less painful than letting it beat face.

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>>53520139
Once again, Affinity proves that it's just better.

>>53520105
That is what he really looks like, yes. He's shown his face in some videos.

Don't ask how I know this.

>>53519876
Like? They have enchantments that hate sure but you can't BtL for that.

>>53520216
i play it in tron. The majority of the time i have metalcraft due to eggs and relics. And when I didn't, I was still happy to tap down Taylor Swiftspear or a DS

>Playing

Melira combo

>Brewing

WR Prison because I'm a terrible person

>Hating

DSJ, but I picked up some leylines for the board so I'll see what happens if I can avoid getting discarded. I don't get to practice modern as much as I'd like since I only play paper.

>Metagame thoughts

I like where it's at. The store I go to gets about 20 players for modern and there's 14 different decks being played regularly

>>53519956
would Des enjoy something like BLUE STAFF? or would he dismiss it as being stupidly broken and OP as balls?

>>53520139
It's a one mana kill spell that kills almost everything, unlike Fatal Push and Lightning Bolt both of which are on my shit list currently because of a few bad run ins with Tasigur

>>53520552
but can you Bolt the Bird(tm) with a path?

>>53520535
He uses isochron sceptor himself, so yes, he'd enjoy it assuming that he doesn't consider it a netdeck

>>53520448
>Taylor Swiftspear
Anyone who says this is the biggest shitter ever. I absolutely fucking hate every person ive ever gone against who has said this cancerous name when you put down that creature and it makes me enjoy the win that much more.

>>53520742
Does Bob, Sad Sam, Eugene, and Misty trigger you as well?

And what deck are you playing that is an auto-win against people who say it? I need it for sideboard tech

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/please-be-patient-im-retarded/

bout to give up brewing for every format

>>53520831
Misty?

>>53518545
I've seen worst decks here

>>53520842
I wish it weren't so, but Darksteel Citadel is the only artifact land that isn't banned.

>>53520855
Misty is Misty Rainforest I assume. No worse than saying Tarn in my opinion.

>>53520842
isnt this just a worse version of infinity with 4 banned lands

>>53520915

Wow! Modern seems to be perfectly fucktarded.

>>53520955
Affinity would be tier 0 if the colored artifact lands were legal.

>>53520831
Slightly but not as bad. Taylor Swiftspear is just the trademark of an annoying shitter. Also I hate the annoying faggots who name out every card in the deck turn 1 like a fucking question as to what you're gonna play whilst you are fetching. Like "Goblin Guide? Swiftspear? Spike me? Suspend a Rift Bolt?" Like holy fuck you salt miner shut the fuck up we get it you dislike having to play Burn now shut the fuck up about it you passive aggressive whiny bitch!

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>>53520972
>mfw i played affinity in mirrodin

>>53520842
You at least tried so I'll help you out. Cut the non-plating equipments, get 4 of both Lili and Ravager, replace deluge with thoughtseize/IoK. You deck still won't be good, but it will be better at what it does.

If: you don't want to spend that money
Then: Yes, you should stop trying to brew for competitive format s. Good decks cost money. It's a reality that most people hate, we just but the bullet and suck Rudy's Floppy Taco(tm)

>>53520972

I just wanted to abuse a large number of swamps. I don't want to build or play affinity.

>>53521007
They're banned in Mirrodin block constructed too ;)

>>53520842
>toxic deluge
>artifact lands
>legal

>>53521019
I'm just telling you why they're banned.

>>53520855
Stoneforge Mystic. It's a shitty forced nickname that I still see pop-up rarely both here and IRL

>>53521032
But they werent always, and thats my point

>>53521037
Yeah, toxic deluge doesn't even need to be banned. It's just never been printed in a Modern legal set.

>>53521019
Vault of Whispers is not a swamp

>>53521014

Dude, I just want to be creative. Apparently the super competitive formats all converve to a point of stifling sameness. Fuck it, I'll just netneck Grixis Delver for Legacy and Eldrazi Tron for Modern.

>be an annoying faggot
>feel the need to attempt to name off every one drop in a deck before they play their turn 1 in order to prove how linear it is

>>53521153
>people construct the best decks to try and win

Its not hard to understand. You are looking for creativity in the wrong place

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolved-company/

I've made some adjustments and really like my deck now, a good balance of fairness, unfairness, jank and consistency for my tastes. I mean, it probably won't see anything higher level than FNM.

However, I feel like Voice of Resurgence is out of place. If it's my 2-drop I pretty much have to pick a more grindy line of play. But at the same time it generally forces my opponent to play at sorcery speed and greatly helps if I need to go wide.

"Interactive" is a shitty buzzword.

>>53521153
The cool thing about Magic is there's something for everyone. If you enjoy building decks, there's always draft and cube.

>>53521153
But why play Grixis when you can play Rug Delver. Bolts, goyfs, and dazes! What's not to love?

>>53521153
>>53521234
lol fuck that play pox

>>53521234
But muh yung peezy and cabal therapy

also DRS

>>53521218
So is unfair. I understand the differences between the terms, but people use them all as either superlative or an offense. It waters down the definition

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>>53515987
Eldrazi Temple is an unnecessary ban

I would really like tron being banned though. It's just such an awkward cancer deck in the metagame only because in modern interacting with lands is so difficult. In addition it's matchups are so boring that it really doesn't benefit modern as a whole.

>are you up against a fast deck or combo deck?
>I play Urza's Tower anddddd scoop
>are you up against any other deck
>opponent scoops

And the deck is basically the easiest deck to play in the whole format and you realize you lose absolutely nothing by banning it

>>53521218
t. solitaire grandmaster, 4-time world champion and member of the "Playing with Myself" hall of fame

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>>53521356

I didn't ask for extra salt with my fries

>>53521265
>YP on the field
>Git probe
>Cabal therapy
They try to force it
>Daze 'em
>Mainphase brainstorm on an empty hand with no fetches in play just to piss them off

>>53520260
This Anon is secretly DesolatorMagic

>>53521356
I hate salty jund players, and their shitty mid-range bullshit. Playing against them is like playing against some kitchen-table scrub that decided to buy "the best deck in modern". It's just the same fucking deck, the same fucking plays, the same brain-dead attitude.

>>53521525
Doubt it but he highlights a good point. People lessen to him because he is retarded. Its a classic example of "im disgusted but i can not look away"

>>53521356
This. Its literally a deck that wins or loses based on matchups, its not even playing magic you have 90-10 matches across the board. You may as well just ask your opponent what deck they are on if they reply with a fast deck you give them the win and if not you tell them they should give you the win.

>>53521609
I don't mind Jund too much usually. I mostly play Affinity and it just really gets boring obliterating Tron players literally every game. Oh land and map? Wow that's a nice and clever play, lets go to game 2 cause you died. They almost always get pissy with me because I dared to play a fast deck.

>>53521648
https://youtu.be/qzpMnuEvajw?t=239

>>53521676
Enjoy and relish the salt, Tron players are so cancerous that you need to say "nice lands fag" after every win

>>53520995
If those dudes are salt miners it seems they've hit the mother lode.

>>53521815
Ehh its 50/50

Should you get mad at someone for playing mtg, probably not

But on the other hand, you are playing burn, so if you get hit by a car, forgive me if i walk up slowly to ask if you are alright

>>53521859
Burn players are the indestructible side-kicks to Junk players. A bit slower and less skilled, but they are still good people at heart

>tfw BtL into Shatterstorm against affinity
Being a slow deck with decent fast deck matchups is great.

I should buy in to burn. Does it still play Bump in the Night?

>>53521939
>BitN
Dank Meme

>>53521900
Burn is 100% fair. There is nothing unfair about any of its cards. Every creature dies to every removal spell even Tarfire. The burn spells themselves cost mana and you cant cheat the mana cost on them. Theres nothing unfair about spending 3 mana and 3 cards for 9 damage.

>>53521900
>burn players
>people
dont know if i would go that far

>>53521939
>still
did it ever competitively?

>>53521980
Exactly. That's why Burn Players are good guys. Unlike us Tron players who abuse old card synergy and new card design.

>want to get friend into Modern
>he insist on trying to force some shitty insect tokens that runs garbage like Gafwidow
I'm trying my absolute hardest to get him to not play awful shit, but I don't really seem to be getting through. I'm not sure he really even grasps the concept of having removal and disruption, every time I try and explain it to him he is just like "Nah man I'll just like swarm the field." Worst of all he seems to have fallen for the whole Netdecking is bad meme, and doesn't want to play anything other than completely original brews. I'm trying my absolute hardest to explain to him that decks like Jund and Burn are archetypes, and that you don't literally have to play the deck 1 for 1 what the pros play, spicing it up with your own additions is part of how you learn proper deck building skills. You don't NEED raging ravine in Jund, it just happens to be a really good card that often gets played in the deck, that's it. Frankly with all the crazy heavy levels of removal I don't even like playing manlands, because when they get pushed it is major feelbads. Feel free to call me a fag for thinking this way btw, but honestly its pretty much the same reason I don't play Nacatl in burn anymore.

>>53522044
I play both Tron and Burn, what does that say about me?

>>53522035
Dude we get it someone Lava Spiked you when you were at 3 life. Calm down!

>>53522056
let him learn with experience.

Men must be cut to have scars.

>>53522056
Naw, you just play differently and for different reasons. Some people will forever be casual scrubs. Just buy him a Naya Hippo tribal edh for Xmas/bday and let him have his retard fun. Don't try to force him to become a Spike. That will just kick him out of wanting to play

>>53522087
Its okay, i played burn once but it was my own mix with Heartless Hidetsugu, overblaze, and furnace of wrath

lol

>>53522081
mein nigga

I dunno? Chaotic Neutral? Cheeky cunt?

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>tfw want to play slivers but they are very bad

>>53522201
legacy slivers isnt terrible`

>>53522201
There is always .

>>53513917
is it worth getting affinity? i want to get into modern and it seems like a good deck to play.

>>53522042
It did on Innistrad release.

>>53522132
Don't get me wrong, he wants to get into competitive magic, because he wants to come with me to GPs and win money and stuff. Frankly I have no problem with him brewing either, (I love brewing actually) I just want him to brew with cards that are good. Like using Abrupt Decay and fucking Peutrify for instance, and not using standard jank like fucking Gafwidow

>>53522272
>Like using Abrupt Decay Instead of fucking Peutrify for instance
In my fit of autistic ramblings I goofed that sentence up.

>>53522258
Affinity is a fine deck to get into modern with. It's always a more or less a good deck, fairly easy to pick up but hard to master and the deck is fairly flexible in that you can mess around with the main a lot depending on the meta or what you like to run. It's also on the cheaper end of the spectrum so that's a plus.

>>53522258
If you want to play Affinity specifically then sure, but it shares very few cards with other modern decks so if you actually want to play other decks it's kind of more of a setback.

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>>53522316
>the deck is fairly flexible in that you can mess around with the main a lot
I guess you could say that the deck is really Modular

>>53522272
Just...let him learn I guess. Git Gud Scrub.

>>53522375
I can't wait for the wall to be built Carlos you piece of shit.

>>53522375
I made that joke last thread, anon

>>53522391
I don't want him to waste his money buying bad cards. I would playtest with him over Xmage, but his laptop is some old ass circa 2008 tech that melts if he leaves it running for more than half an hour.

>>53522420
Jokes on you I actually made that joke a week or two ago when I asked how many Thoughtcasts and Galvanic Blasts people were running.

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Is there a better feeling than when the DSJ player thinks just because you're playing UW and run out of paths he can safely go down to 2-3 life and kill you with a massive DS and you kill him bouncing said creature 2-3 times?

Brewing a slight upgrade to a hyper-budget Rakdos aggro for kitchen table play. R8 and give upgrade suggestions.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/not-rakdos/

>>53520862
I don't see how that is possible. Unlike the wotc forums, people here actually understand what tiered decks are.

>>53520995
Holy fuck it's a Burn player who is salty about people who get facetious about Burn. We've hit peak degeneracy boys.

>>53523212
>people here actually understand what tiered decks are.

You must be new here

>>53523426
Because its fucking cancerous. Like yeah you dont like playing against Burn, a lot of people hate Tron but they dont sit there and go "Is it an Urzas Land?! A Map!? A Scrying?!!?!?" It just comes off as being a fucking baby and its annoying as fuck. Ill get to my play when i get to my play you cancerous faggot.

>>53523507
>Ill get to my play when i get to my play you cancerous faggot.

Man high school is gonna be rough on you.

>>53523461
Fuck off. Find me a place more competent at Magic than /tg/. You fucking can't.

We're fucking pretty bad here but everywhere else is significantly worse. They can't be critical or acknowledge problems partially because they're too busy sucking the dick of the pros or Wizards.

>>53523461
You're the one who must be new if you can't see that the majority of people in these threads are people that at least have a decent understanding of modern. Just because we get a few retards that stumble in does not mean the entire board or general is bad at magic you idiot.

>>53523601
mtgsalvation

>>53523601
/r/spikes

I've been stuck on the grand architect deck that everyone was memeing the other day. It feels like it's atleast tier 2. It finishes games fast. I cut throne or the God Pharoah for a while then tried it again... It's insane, i never should have cut it.

It's so good I'm wondering if it could find a home in elves as a one or two of. Let's you clock your opponent while developing your board along with speeding up your aggro starts

>>53523706
You should specify primer threads for tier 1/2 decks, because the posts outside of those are garbage.

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Still trying to figure out how to optimize this decks sideboard. No one here has been very corporation though; how do I change the sideboard of this deck to make it better?

>>53523917
All the Leylines

>>53523879
There's lots of bretty cool stuff happening in developing competitive and sometimes budget.

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>>53522940
Yeah

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>>53523917
You might just want to run the current sideboard maindeck, make another one and then add that to the maindeck too. You'll catch people off guard with SB cards maindeck and win games like that and plus it'll make the mill matchup almost unwinnable for your opponent. You'll also never deck in the more grindy games because netdeckers always run 60 cards because they have no imagination.

You should probably post this list on /r/spikes friend, it seems like it could be a meta buster and I'm sure the people there would be happy to help you tune it.

>>53523123
Nigger that isn't budget
Stompy is budget
That is fucking shit you had left over from when you opened a box of RTR back in 2012

>>53523426
>burn players
>degenerate
Fuck you nigger, Burn and Tron are the two great equalizers in Modern. Both punish bad decks incredibly hard and keep garbage out of the format. Just because your shit Kithkin Tribal deck got BTFO by some guy playing lightning bolt doesn't mean burn is cancer. Your deck is cancer and Burn is the Chemo.

Red-white pride world fucking wide. Boros Burn for life.

>>53524114
I like this idea, but is there a limit to how many cards I can have in my deck? I like the idea
of having the creeping corrosion+argent mutation synergy in the mainboard and making it so mill can't win seems incredible for me; but, what should I add to my second sideboard?

>>53524215
>but is there a limit to how many cards I can have in my deck?
You just have to be able to shuffle it unassisted. Just take whatever matchups you neglected in the first sb and make another with those.

I'm really looking forward to see how this performs

>>53524214
Tron just punishes anything that can't kill it before it assembles tron. It is coinflip matchup cancer of the worst degree.

>>53524299
>>53524114
>>53523967
Finally people are giving me some advice. I made the changes you guys suggested to my deck, how is this? I only had a few leylines, but I added some cards to deal with counterspell decks and dragon decks and fling can be used as a board wipe in combination with Ink-Treader.

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>>53524511

>>53524526
you were suppossed to add the second SB to the main friend. You do want a good mill matchup while being able to cheese wins with SB cards right?

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>>53524214
Fresh OC

>>53523531
Yes because fetching takes longer then 5 seconds and its fucking irritating when the entire time they are just shouting out the names of the one drops in your deck as if theyre some autistic psychic.

>>53524214
This Burn keeps the shitbrews out of the format because when you are trying to assemble some janky Commander tier combo that takes 5+ cards to do while someones lava spiking you turn after turn it doesnt go well. I beat someone on KCI cancer because they went to 2 with Eidolon out and cast Emrakul, the Aeons Torn forgetting the entire time that after he swings I wont die and I have a Rift Bolt in suspend when it goes back to my turn

Death and Taxes in Red/White

y/n?

>>53524874
Canadian Taxes sound alright. You can Run Chained to the Rocks as an extra fuck you

>>53525037
That sounds super retarded.

I love it.

>>53520136
>that glistener elf belly up in the water
DELET THIS

>>53525330
He got what he deserved.

>>53523212
Just look at this and tell me how am I wrong >>53523917

>>53525387
Trolls gonna troll.

>>53525387
see >>53523649

also that's an obvious troll you moron

>>53523212
Hey look, another example on how I was right

>>53521211

>>53525466
Intentionally janky experiments somehow establish we don't know what tiers are?

>>53524874
I feel like such a deck would have to take advantage of red's ability to blow shit up. It doesn't add new hate bears or anything.

>>53525507
The original post said that he hadnt found a place where worse decklists were posted. Being experiments or not, i believe lots of lists posted in here are way worse that the deck with the mill combo. I never said people here do not know how to play. Please do not start mindless discussions.

>>53525507
Not that guy, but seeing all those Ahmonket cards and Phyrexian Soulgorger makes me want to puke. Other than that, yeah its completely inoffensive. Personally I think it would have been better as a standard Junk midrange shell that runs Obliterator instead of something like Rhino. And then a 1 of copy of The Arena to force opponents your obliterator.

>>53525559
Red already has Decent Hatebears
Eidolon, Harsh Mentor, and there is another one from Scars that bolts people if they play a second land.

>tfw brew has good burn and tron MU
Feels good.

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>>53525624
This dude. He's pretty easy to play around though (crack fetch on your turn instead of his). It would only really be a problem for decks like Amulet Titan and Scapeshift.

>>53525624
Guy that posted the list here. I gravitated from junk towards some freaky hybrid with stompy. Basically I wanted more aggro.
I really dug young wolf and strangleroot geist. Then I found the Amonkhet creatures fit well with the undying creatures, basically mitigating the etb downside entirely. 5/4 menace for 3? Sure, I'll try it out.
Off a topdeck or an evolution, with a Surrak on the field, the soulgorger swings for 8 with haste and eat an undying creature the next upkeep. I like it thus far. Even without haste, just eating an undying creature the next upkeep is a fine tradeoff.

>>53524131
>Hyper-budget
>more budget than budget
My guy I'm trying to enjoy a card game. Any constructive upgrades unironically?

>>53525832
If you think about it, he can sorta work as a second leonin Arbiter, ghost quarter a Land or path a creature after they've already played a land, only instead of paying mana they eat a bolt

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>>53525819
what's it get riggity rekt by? Everything else?

>>53525387
What is wrong with my deck? Did you see the optimized version I made >>53524526 ?

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>>53525819
How does it matchup against my hungry, hungry robots?

>>53525871
>kitchen table

No, we don't this is the modern thread, not the kitchen table thread. If you want kitchen table suggestions go to gatherer, filter to red and black and pick any card in your budget, it's probably kitchen table viable.

>>53524131
Thanks angry guy. You turned me onto Stompy as a good deck with which to look into the format.

>>53526260
More Stompy players are always welcome.

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Does a card like this seem balanced for modern?

>>53526362
Auto 3 for 1, not counting the Silence or 3 deathtouchers. Honestly the deathtouchers are what might put it over the top...

>>53526537
Do not reply to custom-card fags.

>>53526362
>hymn
>3 death touch
>basically a time walk
lol

>>53526275
Why isn't the format overrun with them? It's cheap as fuck.

>>53526658
Because it gets stomped by a lot of decks

Many people start with a budget version of a tiered deck and work on improving it over time.

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>>53519149
No real reason NOT to join in. What does /tg/ think about this opener?

>>53526710
So if it gets stomped, why does it exist as an archetype?

I'm genuinely curious, I'm a standardbabby. If a deck doesn't beat everything immediately, it's irrelevant.

>>53526985
>why does it exist as an archetype?
Cheap, has a few good matchups, and some people just like it.
>I'm a standardbabby. If a deck doesn't beat everything immediately, it's irrelevant.
There is no such deck in Modern. There's very much a rock-paper-scissors thing that happens.

>>53526985
Modern and Standard are different beasts.

The highest % metagame deck in Standard right now is Temur Aetherworks Marvel, at 36.1%. Compare that to Modern, where the highest % metagame deck right now is Affinity at 6.6%. Modern has way more variety.

I used mtggoldfish paper numbers for this, because I don't know a good site for looking up Standard metagame data.

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>>53526867
shit pic for a shit deck
hand is serviceable, just need to hit the third land, preferably white source
why are fatal pushes so hard to get a hold of in this shithole of a country, fuck

>>53527227
>shit deck
Someone sounds salty. Were you abused by a robot as a child?

>>53527252
no, i was talking about my own pic, which is way shittier than it looked

>>53527272
Ah, sorry. I hope my confusion is understandable.

>>53526710
>>53526985
>>53527030
>>53527189
Well, I think I'll try to build it anyway. I already own Thrun and some of the other stuff, so I don't really have much to lose, really.That said, every single hatebeards I've seen I like. Maybe if I end up with an Aether Vial at some point down the line.

>>53527379
Go for it. You do you.

>>53527379
>hatebeards

>>53527227
nice fake marsh flats and bitterblossoms poorfag

>>53526867
depends if you are on play or on draw...on draw keepable at your own risk, on play mull.

>>53527449
how can u tell

>>53527520
Fairly easy to spot when they are next to legit cards. They look dark and faded.

>>53527546
and you're sure of that looking at a heavily artifacted and badly-lit picture?

>>53527520
this >>53527546 and the borders/font size are off.

Better luck next time Jose

c'mon /tg/
enlight me. how many fatal push, lightning bolt and terminate in grixis shadow deck?

>>53527615
3, 2, and 2.

>>53527615
3-4 push
2 bolt
2-3 terminate

depends on the rest of the maindeck and how removal heavy you want to be.

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing fakes. They're playing lands in front of creatures. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

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>>53527602
Know what?
I'll bite.
What is wrong with these?

>>53527710
>playing lands in front of creatures
They need to be shot and then displayed in public as a warning to others.

I always feel a sense of satisfaction when someone tries to put lands in front during a feature match, and the judge walks over and switches them.

>>53527721
rip test right now you wont

>>53527762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcDMin1a6EE

you would kill LSV? come on man

>>53527655
>>53527674
I've used to put in my maindeck 2 push, 2 bolt and 3 terminate (also the two kolaghan's) and I don't have felt that great disadvantage, especially against DSJ.
I assume that 4 bolt doesn't fit the deck because polarized it toward the red mana source...

>>53527800
LSV might just get a good flogging, as a rare exemption.

>>53527721
Well At least one of those BB is real. Those marsh flats are fake as hell though, the black borders, the coloring, and the font are all fucked up.

Look I'm fairly positive I can tell with this picture but the only way we'll know for sure is if you either rip tested em.

>>53527881
idk man i think he just has dirty ass sleeves

What is an anti-tron build that isn't affinity?

>>53527922
Anything that's fast really, especially combo.

>>53527922
Ponza

>>53527721
They aren't fake, you're being trolled. If you're actually noided do a light test.

>>53527922
Burn. Infect. >>53528020

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opinions?

>>53528029
i know, i've already did the tests as soon as i got the cards.
i just wanted to see how hard could he try to bullshit me.

>>53528029
fakes can pass the light test senpai.

Only way he could know for certain is if he rip tested them.

>>53527546
What market are you in that your legit card printing is anywhere near consistent enough to make those kinds of judgements?

Is Death's Shadow Modern's Delver?

>>53528239
No, since it isn't a tempo deck.

Fine..... Ill rip the non english bitterblossom

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/gordon-ramsay-2/

>>53528292
WHERE'S THE LAMB SAUCE?!

>>53528321

Gordon Ramsay: "Is the ice cream in the freezer?"
Hapless Cook: "Yes, chef."
Gordon Ramsay: "Fuck me!"

>>53528079

No point in running such an unstable manabase. You could argue that it would be worth it to run 4 colors, but only if you were running green for traverse and goyfs. If you have a boner for orzhov charm, run esper. If you like kolaghans, run grixis or jund.

>>53528288
Do they even make Non english fakes?

>>53528347
Fair point. I think I just have such a desire to play something a bit different.

>>53528239
Yes. Prolific in the meta. A bunch of variants.

>>53528268
>under costed beaters
>more removal than most decks can deal with
>instead of counterspells, discard spells rip the problem cards
>some play counterspells anyway
>get in damage when they can
>can play a control or aggro game

The only thing it's missing is card advantage and some DS variants can do that anyway.

>>53515003
Red getting better creatures may very well break the format

>>53528438
So you have tempo decks and you have rock decks (for lack of a better term). A tempo deck wants to play a threat and then protect it with disruption while a rock deck wants to disrupt first and then play a threat to close out the game. Both have the potential to reverse their roles, but the difference is in what they want to do. They're inverses of each other.

>>53528492
So if they can do the exact same thing, just in a slightly different way, why classify them differently? They have the same general game plan, they run similar types of cards.

I'm legitimately asking, mostly because I think a lot of archetype classifications are complete bullshit anyway, but I like to know what other people think.

>>53528576
They're subcategories of midrange. Compared to the difference between Death's Shadow and, say, Ad Nauseam, sure, they are extremely similar. They just play out different, doing different things in the early game and late game.

>>53526362
This isn't balanced by any stretch of the imagination. Too much value

>>53528936
>2017
>Modern general thread #5432986
>people still replying to custom card fags
Maybe we should just burn it down.

Every time I fucking win packs in draft, they always give me some affinity shit.

Inventor's Fair.

Spires of Industry.

I get it, my second deck should be Affinity.

>>53528969
Ask for Opals next time.

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>>53519149
Good hand

Shambley Vent makes going 1-2-3 a little more awkward but oh well

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>>53529055
>nu goyf
>MM souls
>nu inquisition
disgusting

>>53529089
To be fair, new goyf does look better than old goyf.

>>53529089
>caring which edition someone else's cards are from

It's faggots like you that get tilted because I have 4 different lightning bolts. Keep getting mad, I need extra salt on my potatoes.

>>53529129
debatable but the FS frame is goat

>>53529147
I like my cards to have the same frame. That's just the way I am.

>>53529147
I like the Planar Chaos frame the most.

>>53529524
timeshifted foils are actually the nut

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>>53515865

>>53529777
saved

>>53529777
>checked
ayy lmao

>>53528576
Tempo usually plays with small evasive creatures and midrange with big beaters.

>>53528622
Tempo is aggro-control. Thats why they run cards like remand and serum visions.

>>53530090
I don't consider aggro-control to actually be a separate archetype from midrange, rather midrange is aggro-control and "control-aggro". Jund decks etc. will also frequently run cards that give them card advantage or allow them to search their deck.

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>xmage
>taking turns
>allies
>jank.dec

>>53530245
What's wrong with that?

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keep or mull, modern general?
for reference, the deck has 18 red sources, 5 of which enter tapped

>>53528576
rock decks generally try to play the attrition game, hence discard and liliana. tempo cares less about card advantage and value and tries to hinder the opponent's game just enough to win the race, hence counters, 1-drop threats, and lack of manlands
To answer your question, why not classify them differently? They play differently and have different matchups. Tempo will tend to have a better game against tron and combo since it deploys its clocks sooner and counters are generally better than discard whereas rock decks can do better against control and attrition decks due to planeswalkers, value cards, and manlands

>>53519149
what if we switch it up and make others decide whether to keep or mull?
looks like a keep to me. 2 lands, all colors, 12+ damage in hand

>>53526867
echo what anon said.

>>53527227
looks slow... keep on play, on the draw maybe mull for interaction?

>>53529055
seems like a solid keep. anon's right though. your editions are objectively subpar

>>53530884
I might consider keeping that under the guise of discard Gdaddy due to hand size then reanimate but it's slow and disruptable.

Probably a mull but I'm a ballsy fucker so I'd keep it

>>53530245
funny thing how people play more off the wall or fun cards when they're not forced to view their deck as an investment

>>53530245
If everyone played tiered decks all the time there would be no innovation. Dont be such an asshole

>>53513917
>>Playing?
Rats
Hatebears
DS Grixis
>>Brewing?
Rats that doesn't suck
>>Hating?
Vizier Combo
>>Metagame thoughts?
Tron is going to oppressive the ever living fuck out of the format until we get either good counter magic, or ban tron lands But other than that it's fine.

>>53531119
those are known shit uninteractive decks, I don't see how that's innovation.

>>53531153
Good LD wouldn't hurt either. Sinkhole in Hour of Devastation?

>>53531235
Wotc won't let good land destruction into Standard. People don't like it.

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>>53527710
GP in a few weeks, fuckers are going to get learned quickly if they try lands in front. Especially if they're Sydney shitters

>>53531235
WOTC are fully fledged retarded so we won't see interaction in mtg til the company goes under the IP is bought by some hardcore fan

>>53531171
You are absolutely retarded and Id be so too if I wasted my time on explaining you why youre such a mouthbreather

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>>53531490
>mouthbreather
>absolutely retarded

>>53531448
WOTC is owned by Hasbro. Even if they shut them down, they'd probably hold onto the IP just because.

>>53530985
i like your style
it looks awkward but this hand is actually ok. there's an actual good chance that the six would be worse. drawing any of 23 mana sources makes a turn3 griselbrand on the draw and any untapped red source on the play does the same. i would keep it game 1

>>53529089
>Not wanting MM cards that have bigger artwork.

>>53515003
Just run molten vortex? If you're already topdecking you have the mana to spare.

>>53529777

>Color/Guild/Shard CARDNAME for deck names

How the fuck do you Modern babies even stand it, it's so awful. I'm surprised Zoo is still called Zoo, I figured you would have called it "Gruul/Naya Aggro" or something

>>53533734
I fucking hate it, but all my nicknames are shitty and autistic as fuck

>>53533883

I always felt like the "Deck name must be descriptive of what's in the deck!" rule was far more autistic than having weird/funny in-joke nicknames for decks, given obsessive/repetitive behavior is the hallmark for autism.

>>53533734
i've seen people referring to zoo as naya blitz or naya bushwacker lately

>>53533957
Nah, it appeals to casuals. Just like tribes.

Plus Hearthstone uses the same naming convention, I think

>>53533734
Well Burn was always burn, affinity runs maybe 1 affinity card, I still say junk, Tron is shorthand for a reference, Soul Sisters is cute , Crazy Cat Lady was a standard meme, Dredge is Dredge and Storm is Storm