/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General - Third Legion Edition

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First for loyalist

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>>53507483
>wut if we made an alternate heresy with each side swapped, i.e. loyalist curze/angron and traitor dorn/sanguinius? Wouldnt that be cool and innovative and etc.
>WHAT A WONDERFUL IDEA OLD CHAP, I BET NO-ONES EVER MADE AN ALTERNATE HERESY BEFORE! LETS HAVE 400 POSTS OF THE SAME RE-HASHED IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN BANDIED ABOUT SINCE 2008

>wut if angron was, like, a woman on the rag, and like, thats why shes always angry?
>HUR HUR HUR WOMEN RIGHT?

>Man, i sure hope [LEGION] dont get fucked in the ass by BL, they already have problems with their primarch making idiotic decisions and their characterisation varies wildly

>[Legion/Rite/Unit] is wildly overpowered, and this sucks. To remedy this, i'm going to homebrew up an equally bullshit [Legion/Rite/Unit] and any criticism of it is going to be ignored because everything has to be at the same powerlevel as the most powerful/popular/FotW [Legion/Rite/Unit] and unless i can win at my resin soldier game nothing in life is fair

>GW cucks are forever cucked and bulls impregnate in asshole kek, and cuckoldry right, gw sucks and come play [tiny alternate wargame with three players, total, worldwide] like us ubermensch to be succesful and attractive and please i just want someone to play with me

>[Character] did nothing wrong

>>53507667
You forgot HH is dead, 7th is shit, HH should have gone to 8th, FW have killed HH.

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>>53507676
I was running out of character limit, so i decided to finish on the most prevalent shitpost of them all

>>53507713
I was just posting what will become the main complaint in the future.

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>>53507735
You have no clue whether or not that'll be true or not, you're just fear-mongering. Like with all the morons spouting gloom and doom over Primaris Marines replacing 'manlets'. Everyone was relieved when it was revealed that they cost considerably more in points than regular Marines, despite the fact that GW stated on day one that they would not be replacing regular Marines, though they would be usable as an (expensive) alternative.

Just because GW killed Fantasy, doesn't mean other games are getting the guillotine. 30k runs fine on it's own, aside from minor gripes, and it will continue to run regardless of what GW does with 40k as it always has.

>>53507831
Most people seem to play 30k against 40k because of the lack of a 30k only fanbase. So a lot of people will now lose out. Also it's harder to grow the 30k fanbase because it's more expensive and niche.

>>53507831
And here we go again. Can we not doomsay or insist on everything being fine at least until we get rules released? Or at least admit you're speculating rather than touting opinion as fact?

>>53507866
They'll just have to use their models with the 40k marine codex. Not the end of the world.

>>53505707
>Sangy's issue was an inferiority complex. Due to the wings he thought there was something wrong with him, that he was corrupted. The Red Thirst certainly didn't help him in that regard.
The thing with Sanguinius though, and Fear to Tread gets this down well, is that like Fulgrim he and his legion are striving toward perfection in all things (which is why they love art so much, and take a bit of pride in their prettiness).

And while the flaws certainly indicate a dangerous vulnerability for both him and his sons, they also help keep them grounded in a way that they remember that perfection isn't an end-point, but something to continually strive for.

>>53507483
>tfw it takes you a full minute to realize what's going on in the general image
>too busy looking at Sean Connery from Zardoz and wondering what the hell he's doing there
>finally look at everyone else and realize they're all World Eaters, and the face on the moon isn't Angron
>it's that guy who likes dropping moons on people
kek, alright I need to know what book features this story, because I really have to read it now.

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>>53507483

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>>53508441
Horus Heresy Retribution.

>>53508480
Thank you. And that's also perfect, because that's the FW book I'm currently reading (just starting on the Xana section)!

>>53508513
Autek Mor's tactical assault Moon is the best part of that book. You have a treat in store.

>>53508523
Must. Resist. Urge to skip ahead! kek

Though I think I will kick back and continue reading a bit right now.

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>>53508619

>7th edition was a clusterfuck that people barely tolerated
>8th edition is looking amazing and people who have gotten to play it really enjoy the game again
>FW announces they're staying with 7th

Nice knowing you, lads.

>>53507831

The issue is not about whether 30k runs 'fine' with 7th ed. 30k grew because of the fluff, but even more so because of a better and more balanced ruleset than 40k. 8th has reversed that second condition, and in all likelihood 30k is now going to bleed players back to 40k as they go for the better rules and larger playerbase. As they've already made rules for all of their vehicles in 8th the only effort required would be the straightforward process of statting the marine units, it's the work on reissuing the books that they're shying away from. FW have believed their own hype, and forgotten that 7th is a fundamentally overcomplicated and bloated system. A player of 8th edition is never going to migrate over to a game using 7th, this move is guaranteed to stop 30k in its tracks.

The great departed Bligh himself once said that 30k will always be an expansion to 40k, they should have remembered that.

>>53509336
They'll switch to 8e once all the Legions get their rules for 7e.

>>53509336
Yes, welcome to several days ago, when this shit was first announced.
FW gonna FW, I guess.

>>53509395
>t. my ass

>>53509336
I'm actually quite happy with the decision. I find just about all of the changes to be poor; it's not even the same game any more.

>>53509421
>its not a convoluted, bloated mass of shit anymore

Wow, you're right!

>>53509336
>>53509348
You really expect FW to come out with 8e rules in any reasonable time? With 7e rulebook out of production, they need to put out something to keep their game playable while they spend the next few years redoing the rules for 8e.

>>53509395
Ha, I wish.
Once FW have invested any amount of time into their new baby they'll never let it go. You *know* that.

>>53509348
fw apologist 7th shitfest denier. go back to your cult

>>53509421
>I franky enjoy this frankensteinian monstrosity of twenty years old rules with various stitched-on expansions and cobbled-together fixes.

anyone who genuinely believes 30k 7th book will be anything other than copy/paste of 40k 7th rulebook is either a part of the 30k cult of denial, or is genuinely dumb

>>53509460
>reading comprehension

>>53509336
The people who like 8e are delusional fanboys, just like the idiots who convinced themselves Phantom Menace was good when it came out, or the bigger idiots who have convinced themselves the Star Wars prequels are good now.
I'll never understand the mentality of blindly loving anything produced by a certain person or company. Perhaps it's due to their identifying their likes with their identity. Admitting something they like has gone bad would like admitting -they- are at fault for liking it.

>>53507735
Looks like you were right, maybe it shouldve ended on
>FW have killed HH
>7th is shit

>>53509497
>7e

FTFY

>>53509504
7e isn't bad because of the core rules, though it does have issues in that department. 7e's problems started in 6e when they added super-heavies, flyers, and gargantuan creatures to the game. Then they moved away from the tried and true force org chart and towards those terrible formations, then brought in crap like that psuedo-Fantasy-winds-of-magic, overly-exploitable psychic system and challenges. When it comes down to it, 7e is bad because of codex creep stretching back to 3e. The rules themselves are (mostly) fine and just need a few minor tweaks (reigning in the number of USRs, for example).

But instead of fixing these issues they just threw out everything and started over with an oversimplified game designed to be played quickly, with few other concerns.
And while I'm bitching, I'll also say that the primaris marines and bringing back Guilliman is just as damaging to 40k as blowing the planet up was to Fantasy. It completely ruins the aesthetic of the setting.

>>53509581
>when they added super-heavies, flyers, and gargantuan creatures to the game.
I meant to say, when they added that stuff to the regular game, outside of Apocalypse.

>>53509454

>You really expect FW to come out with 8e rules in any reasonable time?

Yes, absolutely.

>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/

They're releasing rules for every single one of their 40k units when 8th launches. To put that into context, that's every vehicle FW makes for HH, as well as all of their xenos ranges, knights, titans, IG, characters from the Badab war, and more besides. They're even doing most of the mechanicum stuff in Fires of Cyraxus.

What does that leave in order to port HH over? Essentially every unit that involves marines on foot, including legion special units, primarchs, legion rules and RoW. That's quite a lot, but marine statlines are already sorted, all of those are a tweak of an existing unit rather than a whole new set of rules. It's a small fraction of what they're having to do for 40k, which includes units covering perhaps 75% of the workload for updating HH to 8th, and they're managing to finish that all by the end of June. They could easily do it, and finish it by the end of the year, but they've chosen not to.

>>53509630
So explain how FW takes ages to write a few pages of 7e rules and still fuck it up?

>>53509783
Everyone was too busy converting to 8th AKA where all the money is to bother with the relatively small HH playerbase and the only guy who gave a shit about HH had cancer.

>>53509835
So they fucked Inferno by spending all their resource on changing their SM and CSM vehicles into 8e, yet they totally had the time and resources to to change all of 30k into 8e if they wanted to?

>>53509887
Did you read >>53509630 ?

>>53509783

I suspect that the reason for Inferno's enormous delay could have been because a lot of their rules-writing time was being spent getting stuff ready for 8th. Still, my point remains that they've done most of the hard work for transitioning HH to 8th, now all that's left is to do the marine units, which is mostly a case of wargear options plus a special rule for each legion. Not difficult compared to what they've already done coming up with complete rulesets for contemptors, leviathans, sicarians, lightnings, medusas, etc.

literally 10 ppl play HH, of those 10, 9 buy chinaforge.
why would FW give afuck about ultraniche tards

>>53509901
Yes. And as anon said, they could easily do it, yet at the same time they had to neglect Inferno to convert SM and CSM vehicles to 8th.

>>53509972
I ask myself that every day they put out some more 30k shit, instead of making something people actually want.

>>53509972
>>53510017
Because Alan Bligh was the tenth HH player, but now he's gone.

>>53510067
FW resin causes cancer confirmed.

>>53510103
Inhaling any type of resin particles is going to fuck with you, that's why they advice you to use face masks etc. Not that hard.

Also glues and stuff are organic solvents so maybe be careful with that you DG wannabes

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Post more miniatures!

>>53510222
Looking good, you're gonna add highlights to the weapons and backpack right?

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>>53510222
Working on this fucker

>>53510284
What does the filename "WIP World Eater" mean to you?
>>53510366
Very cool Word Bearer, how did you do the eyes?

>>53510394
White basecoat and then applying waywatcher green a couple of times. Pretty easy and looks very good

>>53510426
I used to do that for my OC Chapter of Suemarines.

>>53510452
It's good to have techniques like that when you have 50 marines to paint

>>53510222
Love the nail markings. Did a fingerpainting baby slap his chest?

so what does an ultimate Scoria mechanicum power list look like at 2.5k?
appreciate Scoria is bulshit, but i havent see a list that really scares me

>>53510596
Don't you know of the World Eater baby platoon?

>>53510596
>Did a fingerpainting baby slap his chest?

No, Trump.

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>>53510862
>bringing politics in even as a joke
>after last thread

SHIGGY DIGGY

>>53511000
Well, can't argue with those digits.

>>53511000
Trips of truth

>>53511000
Thank you Dorn.

>>53511000
Based Rogal.

>>53511000
>crooked Horus voter detected

Get fucked, heretic. Emperor-Guilliman 020.M42!

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>>53511000
How many eagle decorations do you think the rumoured Dorn model will have? Taking bets now.

>>53511095
Do wings, claws and heads count, or does it have to be full aquila?

>>53511095
>one pauldron
>one behind the head
>one on each shin
>one on the chest
>two on Storm's Teeth
>one on Voice of Terra
My guess is 8.

>>53511088
I know he gets a lot of hate, a lot of it deserved, but Roboute was unironically the best candidate for both Warmaster and Lord Commander of the Imperium. And he's the best candidate to come back.
Lion couldn't even keep his own fucking Legion in check, and his half astartes father figure steal his home planet.

>>53511107
Any bird imagery is valid. Aquillas are worth double points.

>>53511095
>>53511134
I'm guessing more than Valdor but less than the Emperor.

>>53511095
I'm betting eight.
>1 chest
>1 full pauldron
>small one on base of other pauldron
>one on chest
>one on belt
>one on his knee
>another lower on the other leg
>and one behind his head

I'm hyped for when he gets a model if the rumors are true, I trust them fully with the armor and am just hoping they go the Guilliman route with his head rather than the Fulgrim/clear/Russ/etc. way.

>>53511137
>Roboute was unironically the best candidate for both Warmaster and Lord Commander
I disagree about Warmaster. Roboute had pissed off too many Primarchs with his hall monitor routine to command them effectively. They would have resented his authority. Nobody actively disliked Horus except Corax.

>>53511158
You forgot the aquila on his codpiece.

>>53511137
>unironically the best candidate for Warmaster
I am a long time UM fan, and I did not, nor will ever believe this.
Being a high general is as much politicking as it is running war, and Guilliman was, and remains, mediocre at best at dealing with disparate personalities that he can not order about easily.

>>53511141
Full aquila:
>torso
>collar
>backpack
>pauldrons
>tassets
>greaves
>belt buckle
>chainsword blade
>tabard

Wing/head:
>vambraces
>knee pads
>both sides of gun (if any)
>wing hand guard and eagle head tip on chainsword

>>53511204
>this post was made for a warrior and a politician
>but Julius Caesar IN SPAEC would be a bad fit

I disagree, even though HH makes it clear he doesn't like working with the 'eccentric' personalities people tend to encounter, I'm pretty certain he'd have just ended up doing what actual Caesar did- double playing and doing highly unethical stuff that's *technically* allowed due to his unique combination of powers

>>53511236
>Julius Caesar
Was stabbed to death by the senate, including his best friend.

Partly because he didn't rise to greet them when they came to make him a God. This doesn't seem like it would be cause for murder, but basically this was a huge breach of protocol, and the actions of a king, rather than as a notional equal.

So yeah, not that great of a politician.

>>53511186
>"Yes. Today could be one of the most important days of my life so far.
>"Certainly, My Lord. Helmet, My Lord?"
>"Terran, I think."
>"Boots, My Lord?"
>"The Martian."
>"...and codpiece, My Lord?"
>"Well, let's go for the Black Aquila, shall we? It always terrifies the Word Bearers!"

>>53511182
>>53511204
well, it doesn't really matter since it would have probably ended up with Horus leading the traitor primarchs in rebellion anyway, seeing how Lorgars plans were already in motion.

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>>53511298
>tfw I don't recognize the source of the dialogue until the end

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>>53511298
Let's hope he doesn't meet the sisters of silence.

>>53511418
I don't get the Witchseeker thing.

>>53511297
Nah nigga, he played that shit.

Pontifex Maximus+Consul AMD he had the backing of vets and money (Pompey and Crassus) meant he schooled libitus and seized power. He did waaaay shady dealings and denied power of veto, but he played the senate better than Shiev

>>53511444
It's a reference to the witchsmeller pursuivant, which in turn is a reference to the witchfinder general.

>>53511297
but Roboute was never as rude as caesar. He wasprobably one of the nicest primarchs when it comes to dealing with non-primarchs, considering mortals as his spiritual parents. His biggest conflicts with fellow primarchs stemmed from their mistreatment of mortals and their own astartes(Pert, Mort, Angron etc)

>>53511532
He also got annoyed when Alpharius fucked around needlessly and didn't engage in honorabu combat. Fair point, though I still don't think he'd have been able to manage the more "eccentric" Primarchs like Horus did.

>>53511463
>he had the backing of vets and money (Pompey and Crassus)
Crassus died trying to invade Persia, and after that Pompey and he went to war, meaning other than his own Legion, and his Egyptian Allies (who Romans didn't like), he was on his own.

The mistake of the conspirators was not stabbing Marc Anthony to death too, and letting him whip the mob into a vengeful frenzy.

I want to give a helmet to Horus model. Which GW/FW helmet would suit him the best?

Anybody know where to get an animal skull face/helmet beside Draykavac?

>>53511800
SoH contemptor?

>>53511831
Google "28mm animal skulls"

The only thing that bothers me about the split is that 30k is staggeringly expensive and as a result lots of people simply played against 40k. The cross-compatibility is important to many players. I think this cuts the amount of people you can play by at least nine-tenths.

am i right in thinking that only IW and Sons of Horus can do turn 1 deepstrike terminator army?

>>53512350
scrap that, only IW with Perty can do it right?

>>53512350
>>53512576
BA can do a turn 1 deepstrike army with terminators in it, does that count?

>>53507713
Blueberrries were still hiding in caves during the HH anon.

reverse image search isn't finding anything, I didn't see that piece when searching for the blue grot, and searching the archives didn't reveal anything meaningful about the source for the full image either [/spoiler{

>>53512350
>SoH/LW
>The Spear Tip/Alpha Strike legion
>Deepstrike army is taxing and rather difficult to pull off
>Banking heavily on a 1-2 turn deep strike combo
>Primarily based on vets/reavers/seekers in pods/claws, need maloghurst

>Iron Warrior
>The Siege Legion/Rolling Bombardment
>Take Pert
>Terminators can deep strike turn 1
>Siege Legion
>Could in theory table an army easily turn one
>Attrition/Siege Army
>????

Still can't figure this one out

>>53511970
With BaC and BoP 30K became cheaper than 40K, at least for Legion players. The kits let you use all sorts of command squads, a lot of Legion-specific units with some converting/kitbashing, and pretty much every infantry unit in the regular Crusade army list, occasionally with some kitbashing or converting done. You get ten terminators that can be fielded as-is or modded into some of the Legion terminators with reasonable ease. You get generic HQ models in BaC and models than can reasonably easily be converted in BoP, and a fugly but servicable Contemptor or Custodes/Sisters of Silence. You don't even need to play Veteran-spam, depending on your Legion and what else you'll be using 3x 20 marine blobs or whatever works just fine. You can fairly easily convert apothecaries, tech marines and HQ choices from the regular marines and some bits too.

>>53512350
I think Night Lords can too, with their Tele-transponders

>>53513993
I'll add to that that with proper conversion you can do a decent chunk of the other armies too. My Admech army is planning the first 2.5k points and has only thirteen Forge World models in, most of which are cheaper than GW if you go to recasters. The non-Astartes armies are more expensive, but they aren't impossible to build on a budget.

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Anyone seen this guy's project? My manta/stormbird plans are fucking pitiful compared to this, holy shit.
I guess that's a challenge, now.

>>53514179
STOP TALKING AND JUST BUILD THE DAMN THING OR SHUT UP ABOUT IT

this has been a public service announcement. Thank you.

>>53514136
Depending on how anal your group is, you could use WWI/WWII models to represent vehicles made on different forge worlds/parts of the Imperium. A lot of the early stuff inspired the look of Imperial vehicles so the aesthetic isn't wildly off.

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>>53514306
Secunded.

>>53514306
I think he said parts are ordered. So now we wait.

>>53513401
its an entirely nsfw, proppa cropped porn reaction image. If you keep searching, i know you can find that which you seek
also i've been phone postingand cant be assed to find the original

>>53503677
Yknow, taking this admittedly completely unoriginal idea one step further, what would people think about which god each loyal legion would fall to?
I feel like Vulkan and Ferrus perhaps turning to Nurgle would be appropriate, Russ and Sanguinius to Khorne and Corax to Tzeentch? Not sure about Slaanesh though, the Iron Hands kinda seek "perfection" in battle but they almost completely reject most worldly pleasures. Maybe The Lion's pursuits in swordsmanship and duelling and his tendencies toward secrecy and intrigue, though that might be more Tzeentchian, or Guilliman's pursuits as a philosopher-tactician?

>>53514179
Impressive in scope but... so very flat feeling. And cluttering up half of it with randomly slapped on chipping is not a solution to that.

>>53514716
Sanguinius probably wouldn't work for Khorne, being a dirty psyker and everything. He might be closer to chaos undivided or tzeentch.

Probably the new Warmaster also.

>>53514789
Khorne almost succeeded in recruiting Sanguinius so clearly he doesn't mind the latent psyker thing.

>>53514992
That seemed almost like a joint effort by Slannesh and Khorne. Erebus also made it sound like Sanguinius could have eventually taken Horus' place and the favor of the gods if he turned.

>>53514752
Agreed. It could use some details to break up the flat areas, like rivets or aquilas or something.

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>>53509421
Give GW 8E's save system for FW's 7.5E, that's all I'm asking!
I'm actually glad we're not having I10 Power fists and that cobats are entirely decided by who charges first immediately after deepstriking from a vehicle without facings
>Inb4 that's exactly the thing that FW keeps from 8E for their homebrew edition.

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>>53511186
>>53511298
VII keks

>>53514179
Reminds me of an Iron Warriors cargo transport that exiled White Scars go after in Path of Heaven.

>>53511970
They'll just have to adapt their armies to the 40k codex. That'll suck, but at least it'll be balanced.

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Alpharius, post some army lists and tactics? Looking at a smallish Alpha Legion Force to dabble with when my IW are done and am skimming the 1D4Chan Legion tactica LIVE, but some input from the mighty Primarch (or a fucking Legionnaire with a Spartacus-complex) would be lovely.

>>53515981
Well what do you want it to do? I suppose you want to avoid the usual Dynat/Skorr augmenting Vet Machinekillers with combi-meltas.

>>53516100
Yes. What I'm thinking is, lots of stereotypicaly Alpha Legion stuff. You know, Veterans, Headhunters, Seekers, Recon marines, maybe some Lernaean terminators... I'll probably get Dynat's mini and use/convert it for something else. As always, flyers are right out and tanks are as well.

I'm thinking of using the WT that lets you steal other Legion units and use some of my Iron Havocs in the HS spot, ehich would give me reliable but expensive antitank (lascannons) and anti-general/air (missile launchers).
Obviously the army should have at least some synergy, but in my experience only people who are really just getting their feet wet mess up on this.

>>53516235
Oh, so you want that? Well, then until 7.5E fixes Headhunters (looool) it's Vets palooza, perhaps with a few Seekers to use their LR Proteus DTs.
The only good thing of the Lerneans is their Harrowmaster with tonns of attacks when using a Mastercrafted Chainfist + Power dagger, but that'll cost you. Centurion tier, but without using an HQ slot, albet at the cost of Volkite chargers as tax.
ALs are a bit shootier than the norm, and their officers have more attacks than you would expect, but they operate alone. Almost everyone is a distrusted ally, and the Legion-stealing thing is a RoW.
And Saboteurs are damn hacks :^)

>>53515981
>>53516235

I am not alpharius, but i am quite experienced in dealing with alpharius and alpharius accessories, since literally half the heresy i regularly see on-table is alpharii in various forms. Just a heads up-headhunters are just as awful as everyone says they are, and Lerneans need a thought-out reason to take over choosing regular termies.

Alpha legion have two main choices-Taking your primarch or just some copies, and taking Coils or not. Alpharius is up there as one of the best primarchs, his army buffs are flatly the best, he is capable of killing anything other that his brothers/scoria, all at initiative while not being afraid of dreadnoughts, his mobility, while not as simple as batman/morty/bird, is just as good and super unpredictable. That said, alpharius is still a primarch, as expensive as can be. For anything under 3k, he may struggle to be worth the investment over, say, three vindicators or two fire raptors. For you, if you intend on staying below 2k, i would dodge him.

Coils is also amazing, but it is a finesse implement, not a blunt tool like the Reaping or Berserker Assault. You have to have all your bases covered, with anti-horde, anti-air and anti-av14 contained. Its various fuckery synergises well with Alpharius, but honestly, he works with everything. That said, theres a lot of generic rites that work really well too-infiltrating a bunch of kitted-out CC vets in land raiders right up in their face can throw a big-ass spanner in someone expecting three units of tacs in rhinos, dynat and a sicaran or something. Havocs can do either of AA/AV, but they need support for the other.

Alpha legion are best used with some variance between games, so as to make it difficult to list-build against them. I, and most of the locals, have been surprised by one guys forty power-weapon vets in raiders that turns up every now and again instead of his more common alpharius and coils list.

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Not only will I not play 8th, I'm going to build better rules from scratch (mostly ZM-oriented) with templates and action points based on I+Ld stats included.
To hell with Age of Sigmar/Guilliman.

>>53516576
>I am not alpharius, but i am quite experienced in dealing with alpharius and alpharius accessories
Sure you aren't buddy.

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>>53517653
i dont think i'm alpharius, but maybe thats just what alpharius would think.

>>53517632
Oh nice, please share.

>>53517632
>2e
>AoS

Good, I wouldn't want kids ruining everything.

>>53517632
Templates are hard to get right; good luck.

But what's the point if you're playing 30k?

>>53518107
>>53517843
He's posting here, he won't do it

Hello you bundles of sticks. Been out of the wargaming loop for a week or so, had a look round the usual sites and seen the following news:
>BLIGH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>30k may be sticking with 7th edition
>some new models shown: an SoS squad, custodes termis and flier, a load of sicaran variants for some fucking reason
...but was there anything else? Any other major news I've missed?

>>53518840
>30k may be sticking with 7th edition
Is sticking with 7e, that's confirmed, but yeah, that's about it.

>>53518840
That's the gist of it. Although apparently HH 7th ed will be modified a bit. 7.5 is the fancy new name all the kids are using.

>>53518840
No real news. The past two /hhg/ threads were full of shitposting, this one is looking slightly better, otherwise situation normal.

>>53518840
Dorn's next to get a model.
Nothing new about Angelus nor Titanicus.
Valdor's being designed and Custodes are getting what appears to be a fairly large flyer. Storm Eagle sized, at least.

>>53508453
What comes out of that hole in the middle?

Assembling my second box of Sisters and I'm struggling with differentiating them from the first one. How would you go about it? Fairly nonexistent sculpting skills, and I'm having a hard time matching bodies-swords-cloaks. Just different heads looking different ways isn't enough, and they need to have swords.

>>53519546
All minis look fairly the same unpainted, the painting details are what differentiates.

>>53519505
The occupants? Not sure what you mean.

>can't apply transfers without them looking like shit
>have to freehand all the symbols

Good practice but annoying.

>>53520327
What part of the transfer process are you having difficulty with?

>>53519664
I didnt know if it was a door or a weapon

>>53519505
Psykers go in and they don't come out.

>>53520458
Oh. Yeah, it's a door like a camera lens's aperture. Assault vehicle, after all!

The weapons are at the front bottom corners: two TL missile launchers that remain exposed when the beak closes (which is why they stick out so much). There's also supposed to be a turret-mounted TL heavy cannon array but I have no idea where. I guess it's those barrels above the missile launchers, but they aren't what I'd call "turret mounted".

>>53520684
That's the coffin-shaped doors down the side.

>>53520359
I get folds on shoulder pad transfers.

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To be honest, it was no surprise FW would remain in a version of 7E. A very important section of the inter-legion rules consist on Initiative and power-fist alternatives.
Though it'd be nice for lightning claws to be relevant again.
>>53520738
Holy shit SoS are scary. The Kharon is also heavily armed and has some kind of net projector to restrain people.

>>53520768
Are you using micro sol and micro set?

>>53520833
Never heard of it, please tell me more.

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Here's my finished World Eater. Might correct the blood and armour scratches later.

>>53520944
They're decal adhesive and decal softener. Used in conjunction they make decals look painted on.

>>53521395
Look's like I need to order some, thanks for the tip.

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>>53520833
What manner of foul sorcery is this?! For the longest time I thought decals were just going hell to work with no matter what

Looks like I've got an order to place!

>>53521430
I use GW's 'ardcoat and then lahmian medium. Looks pretty good but changes the base colour a little

>>53511137
Doesn't Horus himself say it should've been Sanguinius?

>>53521782
He did indeed. He was still worried he wasn't the right choice even after Sanguinius assured him that Emp's made the right choice.

>>53521391
>he still hasn't highlighted the chainaxe

I love it though, fighting someone who puts this level of emphasis into every model is a dream.

>>53521925
I did highlight all the black with Eshin Grey™ but it isn't visible underneath all the Blood for the Blood God™. I'm going to try and use a brighter colour as a second highlight in the future.

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>>53521430
It's worth it. Getting a little matte varnish helps too as a finish. I was super paranoid about wasting the FW AL transfers but micro-set/sol made it super easy.

>>53522135
Looks flawless but I wonder why I haven't heard of it before. No guides that I've read have mentioned the products.

Anyway that metallic blue looks nice, how did you paint it?

>>53509395

Was at warhammerfest last weekend, this very question was asked, answer was basically 'we don't want to leave the project half done before we switch, so for now we're sticking with 7th'

The way it was discussed, it was implied they'll finish 7th then go for 8th. I'm OK with this, as long term it means we get complete rulesets for both.

"The Passage of the Angel of Death"

The fuck is that?

>>53521391
Not sure how I like the paint scratch effect, particularly on the gun hand, but I really like the Nail marks. Did you painters tape them? I might put them on some of my assault marines.

>>53522303
The Dark Angels driving for Terra and ripping a swathe through the Warmaster's Dark Imperium.

>>53519495

They said Dorn was to get his model last. I was at warhammerfest, and my buddy asked "Sanguinius when", he was told the models not even been started yet. The next book will have dark angels, blood angels and Night Lords. Valdor is indeed next 'big' character model, but next primarch is either the Khan, alpharius or the lion. It's not the Khan cos he'll be on his jet bike and a bitch to balance, alpharius has no real reason to need a model soon, and the lion is about to get rules.

Next primarch will be the Lion, Calling it now.

>>53522342
I might redo the scratches in the future but the nail marks were just freehand. Just start out with thin lines that are barely visible or dots to connect.

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>>53522190
Not sure if FW specifically mentions it but I saw enough people here recommending it. Never used before and that pic was my first attempt. If there's any bubbles you just wait for it to dry and poke it with your x-acto or a needle. Flat surfaces obvs were easier to deal with.

As far as the XX color goes:

-prime leadbelcher or Corax white/basecoat with leadbelcher

-2nd coat of leadbelcher

-layer ironbreaker

-dry brush top-down Runefang or Necron Compound

- 3 to 4 washes of FW Calth Clear Blue.

An airbrush would be a lot faster but I did mine by hand. Definitely not the most fun process but it works.

-careful recess shades with nuln oil.

>>53522352
Lion better get a special "fist" attack that can take out Russ.

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K so everyone votes on the the best primarch, their favorite or whatever. What if we vote en the lamest? Have never seen that in while

>Fulgrim

Fucking faggot

>Ferrus Manus and Khan

Kinda boring, not that remarkable

>Horus

You fucking HAD TO send everything to hell

>Lorgar

Dont get me started on this one

>Batman

Let himself be killed. Still rich lore at least.

Also, best primarchs mortarion, and dorn.

Discuss.

>>53522422
Basically just really build up the silver. All the sharpest edges will have a natural metal highlight going on once the blue is where you like it. I just do silver chipping for a more weathered look. Doing a tradition highlight might look weird.

>>53522542
>Best Primarch
>Mortarion

Fucking keked

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>>53522573
Took a liking on him very recently. Dunno why.

>>53522542
The Lion. What niche does he fill in the Primarch roster? He's just sort of there.

>>53522422
Great looking marines man. Could we get more pics of your guys?

>>53522542
Girlyman is the worst, there's no need to think about it

>>53522542
>Non Angel Exterminatus Perturabo
Iron Warriors are great but he's just a fucking sperg who wasted a tenth of his legion.

>Lorgar
fuck this guy he let Erebus live after killing my waifu Argel Tal

>Russ
hypocritical faggot, "muh executioner", went full retard at Prospero

>Angron
MUH NAILS, also all the primarchs involved in Istvaan III are on my shitlist rest in peace Tarik and Ehrlen

>Corax
can't put my finger on it, just don't find him likeable

and for the hell of it, favourites
>Ferrus Manus, he was the only one who really got it besides Sigismund. The crusade was eternal.
>Jaghatai Khan, goes fast and don't afraid of anything.
>Pre-Heresy Horus, nice guy, amazing tactician, top tier colour scheme with the LW.
>Pre-Heresy Mortarion, he became a massive fucking hypocrite later on though
>Curze is pretty cool story-wise
>Vulkan and Sanguinius are pure cinnamon rolls

>>53522345
Why didn't they make it to Terra then?

>>53522628
They're all various levels of incomplete but I'll post my WIP stuff once I'm off work.

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>>53507483
Look at the thickness, AND DESPAIR

>>53522440
>one per game the Lion may exchange all his attacks for a single S: D punch, if he is in a challenge with Leman Russ, this attack is considered to roll a 6 to wound automatically

>>53522731
too busy doing loyalist stuff.

>>53522761
How godless.

>>53522779
I see. What's more loyal than Terra?

>>53522542
Mortarion. His entire character is that he hates Sorcery, but starts using it without blinking as soon as it becomes inconvenient to not do so. Spends two books hunting the Khan, gets his shit kicked in, teleports away like a bitch, gets completely outmaneuvered the second time. Demands attention and respect he has in no way earned.

Goes on and on about how he's the only "pure" one because he doesn't truck with the warp, (Except when he totally does, those times don't count.) and then falls to Nurgle to save his own ass.

He's just a loud failure who demands to know why he can't sit with the winners. Fuck, in one of the novels he actually makes the argument that he should be warmaster after Horus falls because he was into Patricide back on his home planet before it got all cool. That was a thing he actually argued with a straight face.

>>53522731
Took too long fighting the long way towards terra. They didn't make haste, and instead fought their way through the heart of the Warmaster's Dark Imperium.

>>53522808
How did the Blood Angels get there and not Dark Angels? Weren't they both on the same planet when they got the news emps was alive?

>>53522542
Modern Guilliman.

Boring mary sue who always knows what's best.

>>53522731
Because Horus lowered his shields.

>>53521430
>>53521693
They are pretty great. As >>53521752 says, you also want to put down an area of gloss varnish under the decal, and then matte varnish over it. Matte paint has a jagged surface if seen under a microscope, which means millions of tiny air bubbles under the decal.

1. Patch of gloss where the decal will go.
2. Cut around decal as closely as possible
3. Microset on model, decal on, another drop of Microset, position decal, use something to absorb excess once position is good. Let dry.

If it doesn't look perfectly attached to the model, which will be normal on curved surfaces:
4. Once totally dry, apply a drop of Microsol. The decal will wrinkle up. DON'T TOUCH IT. Leave it for hours.

Oh, and don't dunk decals in water, the glue tends to wash off (well, I guess the Microset replaces the glue in this case...). Put the decal paper-down on a wet sponge.

>>53522839
Warp-rift fuckery. Also Sangy made haste to Terra, while the Lion decided to slow down and punish those who supported the Warmaster along the way.

>>53522839
My guess is that Sanguinius decided to #YOLO and go straight through the Ruin Storm in a mad dash to Terra but Lion/Guilliman thought that was suicidal and took the longer route.

>>53522804
BL really just fucked up writing all of the Traitor Primarchs. Even more than they did the Loyalist ones, which is shockingly bad.

>>53522839
Nobody knows because BL invented the entire Imperium Secundus plotline a few years ago in order to pad out the HH series.

What would be some good way to give a Legion 'Roman' theme while not being the Legion Ultramarines?

>>53523047
Leather straps, authentic legionary markings, always use plumes on your sergeants, short power swords from BoP over the longer BaC ones...

Use your imagination.

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>>53523047
Follow the Principia Bellicosa. That's the only reason why people think of early Luna Wolves as germanic romans or something.

>>53522939
thats not true at all have you even read any of his books?

>>53522804
Although he did become a hypocrite, he knows what he is, and despises himself as much as sorcery for what he has become. Kinda like Curze. I like mortarion beacuse of his combat strategy prior heresy (able to take humongous punishment, and relying on beating the fucking shit out of shits with huge blows from his massive scythe. I like that) And thats mostly it. Dunno why I cant point it it, but I just like him. I find him likely to turn loyal again, right after Magnus.

>>53523047
What sort of Roman do you want?

>>53522798
Killing traitors. They have a wall and a Dorn, Terra will hold so long as they don't do something completely stupid like board Horus' personal flagship.

>>53523308
They only did that after all was lost tho

>>53523047
You know what you must do, brother.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Mk7idVfcA

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>>53522839
We're going to find out in Angelus. FW's timeline now has something called "The Passage of the Angel of Death", which will probably explain how the BA get through the Ruinstorm. Probably something Pharos-related.

We don't know because the whole Imperium Secundus thing is new fluff. The 2nd edition codex has the Lion traveling back to earth alongside Leman Russ and both arriving too late. In the 4th and 6th ed. codexes, the Dark Angels were simply delayed by Traitor attacks, daemons, and warp storm. By then, I think the Space Wolves' fluff had developed to, "They were pulled away from Terra by the Alpha Legion." There was never much information.

The oldest fluff (pre-2nd ed.) doesn't even have the Blood Angels at the Siege of Terra.

>>53523308
But I thought the wall didn't hold? What was Sanguinius holding for three days alone?

>>53523024
Oh c'mon, they were all caricatures before the novels. Other than Mortarion, who hasn't gotten enough screen time, they're all far more relatable or understandable than before the series started. It's the loyalists who haven't benefited much from the books, aside from the Khan.

>>53522303
>>53522345
>>53522731

Wrong angel, its about Sanguinius going to Terra

>>53519495
>Valdor's being designed
They're using CAD to design him as well, which I mention since people say that's part of why Perty's model looks so cool.

Thinking about jumping ship from 40k to 30k. How hard would it be to field my Black Templars as Imperial fist templar bretheren?

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>>53522542
Same guy here.

Wich became the most useless of the primarchs after the Heresy?

here is a list on my opnion from most active to least

>1. Angron
>2.Magnus
>3. Mortarion
>4. Fulgrim, perturabo
>5.Lorgar (literally hasnt done anything)
>6. Omegon (not even confirmed alive, but likely)

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>>53523490
I agree with you, in a way.
Before reading about him, I despised Angron as a fucking dumb nutjob.
Now I want to know why the Emperor did that to him.
>They all died, Kharn. And I can't even grab the dust from De'Sheah to remember them by.
>WHY DID YOUR EMPEROR DO THIS TO ME, KHARN?!

>>53524060
Isn't Fulgrim the second least active?

>>53522542
>voting on worst primarch
>the only time noone says Alpha Legion
Just as planned.

>>53524080
list is from most active to least, so ye he is

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>>53524035
You could try to include some yellow bits on them. Can we see your minis?

>>53524035
>>53524128

Most black templars work anyway, but what he said, post pics.

This battle report features a very cool loyalist survivor force on Istvann III.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXtH8bM2NGI

>>53524123
Oops, I missed Fulgrim.

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>>53524128
>>53524167
Sorry for shit lighting. Had to use my windowsill

>>53524415
Oh boy

You have no idea what you have unleashed, BT-anon. MK VII and VIII? In muh Heresy?

>>53524415
You can't use MK7 or MK8 armour and you would need to repaint your miniatures. Honestly just start a new force that actually fits.

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>>53524415
Oh...
Are you familiar with the term "armour autism"?

>>53524415
Ah, you might get some sperging about armor mixing or mk8 being in the heresy.

Your paint scheme is technically "off" for Templar brethren, but again, people shouldn't care that much.

>>53524494
>>53524494
>>53524495
>>53524496
>>53524500
Alright then, like I said they're 40k BT I might just use them to try out the game. If I decided to do an army from scratch I'd probably do alpha legion. How are they in horus heresy? I've been thinking about picking up the calth box for months now anyways.

>>53524272
I like Winters. I like his voice and I like that all of his battles of some form of narrative behind it.

>tfw you will never be a well off English gentleman with a wife that tolerates your addiction to plastic space dudes.

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>>53524589
I dislike Winters
:^)

>>53524571
You could always use rocks as proxies, I'd rather play against rocks and pepples then 40k figures.

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>>53524571
Alphas are good, one of the most popular Legions too. However, I will say, getting their metallic blue/green paint scheme down right can be a bit tricky though (though there are plenty of other color options for them too).

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>>53524632
No

>>53524495
>You can't use MK7
If he uses them as Imperial Fists he can. MK8 is a no go though.

>>53524642
Jesus Christ. Does this sooth your autism?

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>>53524706
Forgot pic

>>53524718
No. Its scheme is still incorrect.

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>>53524669
I've done metallic colors before. I think I'd be alright. I did some Emperor's children for a friend a while back (pic related). I took a couple mk III suits as payment to use as officers like in
>>53524718

How different are the HH rules from 7th ed. 40k? If they aren't incredibly different I might just grab the calth box and go from there.

Is there a decent spray I can use to prime my alphas?

>>53524865
30k is an expansion to 7e. It's 100% compatible.

>>53524880
Any metallic silver if you're doing the shiny scheme.

>>53524890
Ok cool. I thought the age of darkness stuff was a different ruleset.

>>53524902
I know that, it's just that I remember seeing some metallic blue-green primer a while ago but I don't remember name/where I found it

>>53524916
There are some extra restrictions in place, but it's generally the same. Although, 7.5 might change some things in the future.

>>53524934
Have you tried google?

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>>53524496
What's that?

>>53524934
I'd be careful with that anon. If you fuck up and paint onto the blue-green, you won't be able to cover your mistake up.

>>53524571
>How are they in horus heresy?
About as common as members of the XXth using the name Alpharius.

>>53522839
Imagine the most retarded explanation possible.
Then stretch it out to 200 pages.

>>53524979
That popular? Well if I decided I wanted to play something different I guess I'd probably choose Sons of Horus. How're their rules?

>>53524669
Damn those look good anon. Are they yours?

>>53525019
Do you want to Alpha Strike?

Like, just get in there and fuck some shit up on your opponents side of the board?

If so you'll love SoH, if not you can join in with everyone else and play Loyalist Iron Warriors.

>>53525077
I play 40k templars. That sounds fantastic
>Loyalist iron warriors
The specialist of snowflakes

>>53524994
The DA got to Terra and then left spread over 200 pages?

>>53507676
Go play toy soldiers with Age of Sigmar, kid.

Heresy is about to become what 8th edition should have been.

I'm reading through the black library books in order right now and I just finished descent of angels. When does the series start to go to shit? All the ones I've read so far have been pretty good.

>>53524669
I feel like I need to learn to weather to fit in here. Everything I've ever painted has been super clean.

>>53525204
This site is great for that kind of stuff.
http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/

How would have heresy turned out if Horus hadnt existed, and other primarch had been warmaster?

>>53523422

Its pretty safe to assume that the Imperium Secundus plotline implies the Lion slowed down his advance because of his personal suspicions for Guilliman's ambitions. The idea that Guilliman waited to see who would be the victor at the Siege of Terra and then swoop in to take charge of what was left would mean that the Lion would have to compete with Guilliman for control of the Imperium.

>>53525202
Right about there.

In fact Descent is the one that broke the streak.

>>53525241
Awesome!

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>>53525106
But anon, even FW recognizes the legitimacy of loyalist IWs :^)

>>53525271
>>53525202
This anon is correct in that DoA broke the streak, but personally I think Descent is a valuable enough book that I'm tempted to consider it almost a pleb test[(spoiler]though the first actual pleb test is Nemesis[/spoiler]).
At the time, everyone started to consider the series to be going downhill when we got bombarded with shorts+audios+novellas that were clearly marking time while the main arc also side-stepped into the Imperium Secundus arc.
Showing that we weren't all insane, it was later confirmed that BL were going through an internally recognised bad spell at this time by their own staff.

>>53525270
There's certainly going to have to be something like this, considering the Lion's fleet has Tsgualasa, who is basically a gottagofast plot device.
>give the DA the ability to go fast even through warp storms
>the DA historically arrive late as fuck
There's a plot there.

I'm interested in the idea that they use the Pharos somehow, and therefore end up where the empathically really want to be. It's pure theorycrafting, but it may develop that way.
Like, Sang is so pure he ends up at Terra, while Lion and Rowboat have more conflicted feelings and so end up somewhere else. Perhaps Lion reuinites with Corswain and goes hunting traitors while Rowboat doesn't even get out of Ultramar.

>>53525474

I would bet that the sons of Ultramar have more difficulty with the Ruinstorm than anyone else because the Ruinstorm was literally summoned out of their blood.

>>53525402
If we go by the list, almost every story was forwarding the narrative in some way. The moment the narrative momentum for the Horus Heresy series stopped dead was after Mark of Cath and Unremembered Empire. Both stopped the series cold at Imperium Secundus Namek, Unremembered Empire was where the Perpetual Bullshit really took off, and the next book after Unremembered was Legacies of Betrayal, the first reprint anthology of dozens that have happened since which are the clearest example of milking the franchise.

>>53525077
>>53525106
>>53525358
how did loyalist Iron Warriors even become a meme anyway? it's not like they're especially "snowflake"-y like say, loyalist Word Bearers or something, or have any "meme" qualities besides Perturabo being a massive fucking autist. Is it just due to their recent prevalence?

t. loyalist traitor and IH fag since Massacre

>>53523422
Some interesting bits about the "Great Slaughter of Beta-Garmon" at Warhammer Fest

-It will be the single largest battle of the horus heresy in both people involved and lives lost. The battle, in terms of number of bodies, is both larger and bloodier than even the Siege of Terra. However less space marines will be involved than at Terra

-Will connected to the "Titan Death" where most of the collegia titanica and dark mechanicus titan legions are wiped out

-Will have literally tens of thousands of ships colliding into each other in a massive space melee

>>53525622
I was just fucking around. But isn't there a story from black library about loyalist IWs?

>>53525573
Yes, I would say this is absolutely correct. Just look at what came out over the next 2 year period in the main series
>Damnation of Pythos
>Legacies of Betrayal
>Deathfire
All while we were getting hit with shorts and audios etc....that got collected in the next anthology. A dark time.

>>53525622
They're just a popular faction because IW are a faction that some people are attracted to because of the misunderstood, undervalued artillery autists fluff. Add in the option to be the Good Guys whilst doing this and you can see the attraction. They're as valid a choice as any other that has supporting fluff.
In this thread there was a period where loylaist IW posters were very vocal so it got a bit meme-y in here.

>>53525654
There was the stuff with Dantinoch, and a loyalist Knight-Errant in Vengeful Spirit iirc. Also Kyr Vhalen got quite a bit of fluff in the rulebooks, but nothing from BL.

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>>53525622
IW are popular, but people also like the idea of being on the opposite side too, so over time it has grown into a meme. There isn't anything wrong with Loyalist IW though.

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>>53525622
It's because they seem to have lots of named loyalists for a traitor legion.
There's Warsmith Kyr, and also Titus "Moleman" Avvon, and Warsmith Dantioch, and Warsmith Auric Saxton Hale and Praevian Derygur. All of those are covered in the HH books, while the only IW traitors in them are Golg and Perturabo himself. Forrix isn't mentioned. There's also Knight Errant Tubal Cayne, but he's from BL. Same as Bantsmith Kalkator.
>t. loyalist traitor and IH fag
:O

>>53525647
>-Will have literally tens of thousands of ships colliding into each other in a massive space melee
Thanks for reminding me of the Heresy-era battle in Eye of Terror, shit was hardcore.

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>>53524272
Dude, those are beautiful models

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Working on this list. Having the gorgons and dreadnought footslog is probably bad but I don't really feel like dropping stuff to make points for more transport. The veterans will get preferred enemy [infantry] from autek.

How useful are Whirlwinds? I picked up a LR Helios from Based Chinaman since it's cheaper than buying a stock LR, and I was thinking of magnetizing the missile launcher to use with spare Rhinos.

>>53526574
a bit hard to justify considering Scorpius whirlwinds exist...but you could say it's one of those

How many points does Terminator deathstar usually take? How many when including Primarchs?

>>53530094
>How many points does Terminator deathstar usually take? How many when including Primarchs?

10 terminators cost between ~350 and 650 points, but a real deathstar needs a Spartan to be really effective (~350 points) and with a Primarch you have to add 400-500 points.

A really good deathstar of terminators and Primarch is super expensive (1200 to 1500 points) and imo it's one of the most boring units to play with and against.

Reading up on HHG every day is nice and all, but I've been looking for a more permanent place to post my models and army fluff etc. What would be the best place to do this? Heresy30k forum (been there before but I don't enjoy the forum skin and the way they've categorised everything. It seems a bit inactive.)? Bolter and chainsword (seems the most popular forum, but perhaps that's because it's mainly 40k. Maybe not the best place to find a real 30k community)?

Or would it be best to just start up a random blog somewhere?

>>53531312
Start a random blog, if you post quality people will go look at it, just please dont shill it too obviously

>>53531525
What sort of blogsite would you reccomend? Blogger? Wordpress? Tumblr?

>>53530669

You can also get a lot of very killy shit for 1500 points. I've always thought the practice of putting a primarch with a bunch of terminators in a spartan a bit boneheaded. A primarch doesn't really need all that help to deal with other units unless it's another primarch, in which case it's kind of a waste of everybody's time for them to spend the whole game doing one or two wounds to each other. Surely the better use is to keep their retinue cheap and send them to bully weaker targets than themselves (which is just about everything).

>>53511095
Doesn't really matter, I just hope he's clean-shaven so the TTSfaggots will start REEEEEEing.

>>53524415
Can't wait to see them get in a Razorback and make it do a flip over a Land Raider Crusader, while a bunch of Centurion Devastators fire a salvo overhead.

On tabletop, what is IW's weakness? It seems to have best primarch (tactically), best unique units and everything.

>>53531586
I post on reddit as well as here. It's pretty good, I got Inferno leaks there before they appeared here. You can have a good discussion that won't descend into meme shit-flinging. There are a few 'power users' but they aren't as annoying as the tripfags here can be. Just never say you don't like anyones models.

inb4 >reddit

>>53531646
You get a lot of killy eggs in one killy basket, look at what else you could get for 1500 points and combine this with how boring the whole primarch + termies + spartan is they are very unappealing units.

As you say smaller units would be better so maybe instead have primarch + command squad + land raider (add consuls to flavour).

>>53531776
Obligatory
>reddit

>>53531968
Obligatory
>:^)

>>53531794

The nimbler primarchs like Curze, Corax, Morty and Alpharius are better suited to running fast and light. Some of the more footsloggish ones will be a lot harder to do that with, but your suggestion makes sense as they still get a tough transport and ablative wounds. Still, I agree that it's next to impossible for a 1500 point unit to make its points back. It would have to kill something equally costly, or murder very valuable units at the rate of one a turn for most of the game. That's without the possibility of losing its transport or getting tied up by chaff and tarpits.

>>53524950
Yeah, the Aether will not yield it's secrets

>>53524973
I'm not so sure... Depending on the colour, slapping on a bright metallic colour and painting on layers of coelia greenshade/mixing blue and green shades might work.

>>53531776
>You can have a good discussion that won't descend into meme shit-flinging.
You clearly don't go on /r/40KLore. Too many comment threads there just devolve into "lolol BLAM HERESY lol BLAM BLAM HERESY" memeing, if they're given a chance to.

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>>53531738
We have a good Primarch and excellent units. That said, they're fairly priced, making them hella expensive, which (in concert with rather lacklustre Legion rules) make IW perform somewhat poorly against min/maxing players using powerful Legions (with either powerful rules, units, or both) like IF, UM, DG, AL or S, not to mention the new TS and SW. They can be beaten, but you'll take a pounding while doing it.

Some examples:
IF will dominate the shooting phase with BS5 bolters, IH lower the strength of incoming shooting attacks, DG have excellent rules with good RoWs...

All is not lost, however, If you use the Hammer of Olympia with Reductor allies you can kick serious face, and our unique units can compensate for much with accurate missile/lascannon spam.

>>53525175
hahaha the delusional nonsense is hilarious.
enjoy your copy paste of the 40k 7th ed book you filthy fw apologist

So I did some digging and the sprays - might - have been Tamiya. Not sure because I remember the metallic spray in question being slightly greenish, but my memory might be faulty.

Anyone got experience with Tamiya metallic sprays? Light metallic blue/metallic blue, ofc.

>>53532460
I only visit the 30k and SW:A subreddits. The difference between 4chan and reddit is that it's easier to avoid meme shitposting on reddit by sticking to certain subs.

/r/40KLore is basically a meme sub anyway, just look at the top posts. the 30k sub is more about lists, W.I.P.s and more serious lore discussion.

>>53532042
It would never look quite the same.

>>53532473
Yeah. I mean, you can prefer 7th over 8th and that's fine but don't act like FW is going to be fixing much of anything.

>>53532486
Yeah, you shake them then hold the nozzle and the colour comes out. A rattlecan is a rattlecan.
What you should be considering is whether you want to go for a metallic spray or a clear one. A clear one adds another layer to your process, but gives you control over the end result of your armour colour. Just going straight to the metallic colour means you're basically stuck with that colour.
So either test a couple of metallic blue/green sprays first to make sure you can get your desired shade out of them or just go for a clear one over a silver basecoat that you've already shaded as required.
>>53532726
All I know about there reddit is that when I've posted leaks they copy paste them then change the wording to remove swears and memes, which is almost as funny as the google-translated version of when the russian site did the same thing.

I'm thinking about decorating my bases with pre-heresy theme. Which corpse do you guys think would be the best?

> Eldar (not sure if there was any noteworthy conflict)
> Imperial Guard (human)
> Ork (Ullanor)
> Tyranid (Megarachnids on Murder)
> Anything else?

>>53533704
Which legion?

>>53533704
You should use Tau :^)

Seriously though, that depends on your Legion and what the theme is.

>>53533760
>You should use Tau
Or the adeptus restartes.

>>53533732
>>53533760
Luna Wolves, few (ally-size) Blood Angels and Thousand Sons.
Well I have AdMech as well, but that's another story.

>>53534068
>luna wolves and blood angels

A gentlemen of high stature, you must be.

>>53534089
I regret the day I first picked up the Horus Rising.

Fucking white armour.

Come to think of it, what bits should I use to represent Techno-barbarians?

>>53534148
skitarii and genestealer cultist bits

>>53534148
Catachan, genestealer, WHF Skaven/empire/ogres/everything, combined liberally with the piles of admech bits available from GW/FW and other companies

Loyalist Thousand Sons with the new Gabe model as a Praetor y/n

>>53535738
>new Gabe model
what's this? All I get from google is shitty renderings of Gaben in CS

>>53531738
Adding to what >>53532469 says, it also depends on the army's composition, which for IWs can sometimes be a gunline. Those are vulnerable to deepstriking terminators if the correct countermeasures aren't taken. Because in 30k only a few armies can do deepstriking terminators.

>>53535763
FW is making a new Gabriel Angelos model. It is admittedly very difficult to find on google otherwise I would provide a link

>>53531776
Reminder that the previous threads were shitted by anons /pol/iticking over mere communication errors of "No, I meant" "No (You) meant".

>>53535763
>>53535964
It looks like ass cancer. Do a headswap and it'd be pretty cool though

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>>53535915
As always, synergy is key. Your units need to work together to achieve a greater purpose, and while this is true for all Legions to an extent, our weakish rules heightens the importance of this. A 20-strong blob won't to terribly much by their own, but with an apothecary to boost their survivability, and maybe a Consul to do their thing, and suddenly they're much improved. Our blobs benefit from boosted morale, so Vexillas aren't as important.

Shrapnel bolts deserve a special mention. They're lower AP but add Pinning to Heavy Bolters (including twin-linked/quadbolters), which can be of some use. Against Mechanicum you might be better off without, but Jetbikes, Attackbikes and infiltrating/deepstriking Veterans with HBs suddenly become a lot more tactically flexible, able to pin Legions with strong rules overall but a weak morale game while you move, shoot or assault.

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>>53536011
It does look like ass cancer
This is bacon

>Pharos
>Night Lords attack literally who planet with 20,000 legionaries
>spend time to building corpse dioramas and acting 2spooky instead of seizing tactical objectives
>take 5-1 astartes casualties and get completely BTFO
Is there a bigger meme than the 8th legion?

>>53536059
I'd argue that Pinning bolters just don't cut it in the age of Ld9 sarges, but biketillery it's an interesting tactic...hampered by them being stuck with chainswords and the Warsmith can't take one.
What I was saying is that some army compsitions are vulnerable to alternate ways of deployment. As much as I like sieges and the IWs, I believe the superior battle plan is when your enemy cannot bring their strenght to bear because you lack a center, like WS or AL. Though the "here's my center, try and get me" approach of the IWs can be admirable.

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>>53536183
If you use the Hamme of Olympia RoW with allied Reductor, you could use Jetbikes to guide the artillery with a great deal of flexibility. They wouldn't ever need to enter melee, just skirt the edges of the enemy army while the artillery pounds them and the bulk of the army protects the artillery.

>>53531667
What are you talking about? Did I miss more 8th ed. rules retardation?

>>53536244
Nah, that's an old CS goto meme. Although if you want 8th ed retardation, flamers are one of the best anti air weapons now

>>53536183
I'd say IW and DG are the two legions that can get away with a gunline because they can stick shooty legion-specific terminators in there - aside from shooting, they also defend the gunline from drop podding or teleporting units because they're good in close combat. (I'd say the UM copy of Siege Tyrants are too expensive to do this well, despite UM having a great Legiones Astartes rule for gunlines.)

But you have to embrace the gunline and make it killy enough that your opponent has to prioritize it over your other units that are grabbing objectives. Definitely give it a fortification and prepare ways to deal with artillery.

>>53525270
>>53525474
Lion joins up with Russ on the way to Terra and they btfo traitors at every step of it.
Sauce is "Parting of the Ways".

>>53536151
Well we can't just have the Word Bearers be the dedicated jobbing legion, its only fair we split that duty between them and the edgelords

>>53536315
>flamers one of the best anti air weapons
What

>>53536697
Fuck you Guilliman, nobody likes you

>>53536782
I like Guilliman

>>53536837
>Guilliman samefagging
Totally unexpected

>>53536782
>only guilliman hates the word bearers
It's pretty funny how WBs think this, even most other traitors hated them.

>>53536697
Are the Word Bearers jobbers? I can't think of any significant battles where they got BTFO

>>53536715
Flyers have minus 1 to hit, but flamethrowers auto hit within their range. So a squad of flamers can do quite a bit of damage to a flyer.

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>>53536715
You see anon, heat and flames go up. Up is where the flyers are. It only makes sense flamers make flyers implode in the high pressure of the high atmosphere :^)
t. CS Gotto or someone

>>53536927
Don't trust the ultramarine propaganda

>>53536999
Trips of don't get 40kG cancer discussions here, we don't even have 8th edition

>>53536999
I would've liked shooting at flyers with -1 to hit. Finding anti-air stuff to take is annoying.

>>53536927
they didn't get BTFO exaclty, they lost one of their superships at macragge and even tough having Calth turned on their head and fleeing in panic was a huge fuckup, they are just not as good as any other legion. Especially not until they got their chaos hacks.

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>>53537460
>>53537460
>>53537460
New bread, freshly baked! Glory to the Imperium!

>>53537350
Mere -1 to hit wouldn't cut it. Nor the -1 to hit heavy weapons seem to have.
Give -2BS, that attains Snapshot-level on mortal armies. And make it that flamers cannot hit flyers.
Obvs 7.5E won't incorporate anything of this, unless it can find something even worse.