Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

first for pls leak ork stuff

>>53507165
Fucking kek at that OP image

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nth for best subcommander

>>53507161
We'll have to see if the exterminator stays "twinlinked", because if it does its a guaranteed 8 S7 shots vs an average of 3.5 S8 shots with better rend.

>>53507165

Space marines leaks
>http://imgur.com/a/X7xLA

Chaos leaks
>http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333990-leaked-chaos-space-marine-rules/

>>53506978
nurgle player just laughs a lot like papa nurgle, also is fat. but maybe thats just me.

>>53507165
So, uh...

When is that official 40k app coming out? I need it to organize my armies. I actually think GW did a good job with 8th, its looking to be a beaut

>>53507165
I really hope everyone enjoys boring gunline tau, because interesting mobile tau became waaaaaaaay too expensive to be viable.

Do we know if the Tempestus Scions are still going to be in 8th or should I just use them as Vets?

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Reposting for posterity

Am I the only one who will keep using Obliterators? They might fill a different role now, but they're not bad. Precision, at-will deepstrike means you can drop them exactly where you need them to be, and your opponent can't ignore them because the turn he does will be the turn you roll all 3s and cripple his Knight.

So, did SoBs get shoveled into Imperial Agents? I don't see them on any covers for the Imperium army books.

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>>53507235
Getting ran around in circles getting shot to shit is interesting

>>53507244
yes

>>53507235
>he says, referencing points costs with no points of comparison in other armies because literally every point cost in the entire fucking game has changed, many of them drastically

>>53507235
>interesting mobile tau
>6 riptides jumping away from combat

You're right, it's a damn shame

>>53507244
Yes

>>53507165
>new favorite unit

Railsides. There is literally nothing bad about the model. Great pose, great size, great look, and now they pack quite the punch.

I know I said this last thread, but what makes me glad about the T'au nerfs is that I won't automatically be called a WAACfag for bringing up my boys in blue. Sadly I'll have to learn a new playstyle while still being garbage at listbuilding and the game in general. At least I'll be able to lose(with all 3, soon to be 4 armies) while looking good since I make up for being trash at the game by being one of the better painters in the group.

>>53507244
They're in the Imperial Agents book in 7th, obviously they're under IA in the Indexes

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>>53507259
>forgot pic

I MEAN LOOK AT THAT THING.

>>53507244
>So, did SoBs get shoveled into Imperial Agents? I don't see them on any covers for the Imperium army books.
As far as I can tell, yeah.

Then again, so did Grey Knights and Daemonhunters/Witchhunters, so all three armies got "condensed" into one big blob.

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>>53507165
>favorite unit
Ravenwing Black Knights. They have everything I want in an elite squad. They're mobile, they have great guns, they can mop up with melee after. There's also the thing about summoning scatter-free terminators anywhere. I'm not sure how that'll work out in 8th since scatter is gone. I'm also looking forward to the fact that overcharge is back and plasma doesn't always have to worry about gets hot.

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>>53507260

Someone spoil Inquisition already REEEEEEEE

Did we got any new leaks after Tau?

>>53507235
I think one way to solve that is to increase points size. Less than 2000p will be tight-packed for everyone

>>53507269
Grey knights are In the marine index
Daemonhunters and witch hunters are inquisition and indeed got rolled into imperial agents

>>53507275
Fuck that shit.

People are still waiting on Tyranids, Orks, AdMech, and Necrons.

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>>53507188
Yeah a whole article on PfP would have been sweet
Nah dude - the way i look at DE in 8th is that we are either going Wych spam or sticking with out basic MSU

I retooled my list for possible 8th, but now since i looks like we're all getting point drops i really want to stick a 10 man Mandrake squad in there too

We are going to be even more of a "All or Nothing" army

>>53507268
if it weren't for the shoulder mounted water guns i would agree. as far as suits go at least i prefer the kroot's overall aesthetic more though

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>>53507285

It's literally (assumably) two profiles REEEEEEEEE

>>53507292
They don't have to be the plasma guns, they can have the missiles up top, a single missile, or another techy-doohicky system.

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>post yfw you realize that the Swarmlord was murderstomped into paste by to a bunch of Ork mooks on Octaria
GET REKT YA BUGEYED GITZ!

I hope people are happy to see lists full of troops and little else.

Doubling the costs of vehicles is fucking stupid. 72 point stock rhinos, 82 point stock razorbacks, and 151 point stock predators is bullshit.

>>53507278
Nope, only commies shared their stuff while capitalist factions greedily kept their for themselves.

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>Favorite unit
Crusader squads. They can be used as anything from massive bolterfire blobs, to any sized assault squads to bootleg dev squads, i.e a 5 man squad with one grav cannon in a rhino.

>>53507295
Then you can fucking wait for the people with real armies to get their more important leaks, faggot

>>53507268

yup it is sweet, shame about the colour scheme

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>>53507165
Fav unit?
Got to be the Russ.
When I saw it on the battlefield I was underwhelmed a bit until it started blowing holes in shit. Now I love the squat fucks.

>>53507301
Good, then maybe they can drop the horrid Swarmlord fluff and we can all forget that shit ever happened.

>>53507234
Everytime I think I'm out, they keep PULLING ME BACK IN!!

God damn it, why is 40k so lame and so cool at the same time? I'm an adult! I'm old enough to have children!

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>>53507311

>newcrons
>tyranids
>real armies

Leak that Inquisition shit, disobeyment will be met with full imperial sanctions

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>>53507165
>Favorite Unit

Magnus, both for being an awesome model and for doing literally nothing wrong.

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>>53507165
favorite unit is definitely beep boops, the 50's robot look is too strong, and their rules arent bad either imo

>>53507319
Bullgryn, Cultists, Greyfax, Penitent Engine.

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>>53507332
>and for doing literally nothing wrong.
Anon, I like Magnus, but let's not play pretend make-believe games here.

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>>53507165
>favorite unit
I like the MANZ total lack of subtlety.

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>>53507330
>Leak that Inquisition shit, disobeyment will be met with full imperial sanctions
OY BOYZ! LOOK AT DIS HUMIE, FINKIN' HE'S ALL BIG AN' SHIT!
YOU INQUISITION GITS IZ SMALL TIME!

>>53507235
>Fire Warriors with Carbines advancing forward while shooting
>Rerolling Advances with an Ethereal with them
>Markerlights to ignore BS penalties for shooting on the run

Doesn't seem so expensive to me

>>53507165

Ordo Malleus inquisitors in general with hector Rex at the top

For when you're the only human in the room and have to 1v1 a bloodthirster because everyone else is dead

>>53507246
At least models are moving.

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>>53507365

>Inquisition
>small time

My faction was so big its been at least 2 codexes wide since the turn of the millennium.

>>53507319
>Punisher not kitted with triple HB + heavy stubber

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>>53507165
Technically 30k but fuck it, I love this goddamn model and his rules.

>These Chapter’s still trace their genetic lineage back to the gene-seed of the First Founding, and scions of all nine loyalists Legions emerged from the vaults beneath the red planet. They benefit from three additional organs and larger size, but it still remains to be seen if Cawl was able to successfully stabilise any of the known genetic deviations or impart any additional resistance to the effects of Chaos.

What does this mean?

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>>53507313
Yeah. I did my Tau up in Tron colors. Pic related is my 1 Broadside, it was one of my first painted Tau units, but I really want another 1 or 2 because they're so cool. Sometimes I regret it a bit because I saw this one teal colored scheme and fell in love with it, not to mention all the creative freedom you get with Tau painting schemes(Irony, huh?).

But my scheme is:
>HQ
White tron-lines
>Fast Attack and Elite
Blue tron-lines
>Troop and Superheavy
Orange tron-lines
>Heavy Support
Yellow tron-lines

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Would you play?

>>53507322
>Good, then maybe they can drop the horrid Swarmlord fluff and we can all forget that shit ever happened
>implying the Hive Mind hasn't already ordered ANOTHER Swarmlord for Leviathan's tendrils to throw at Octaria
>It proceeds to die to Orks on the planet long after Thraka's left the system
I mean, at least this time Ghazzy was on the same planet as the Swarmlord when it died, but dying off-screen to random Orks just SAD.

>>53507235
It's cute that you think static gunline Tau will be viable when half my army will be charging you on turn 1.

You better be able to bail the fuck out fast and have room to maneuver after that, and have Fly to put obstacles between us and still be able to shoot after falling back, or it's fucking game over and I'll consolidate right though your whole shit.

>>53507396
>Technically 30k
Only until Fires of Cyraxus comes out.

>>53507405
>a black helmet for POL

Not sure if meant to be irony ...

>>53507194
I hope Crisis suits can still be ghetto assault marines. Melee tau always seemed like it'd be funny.

>>53507348
The Emperor (and Horus to an extent) are responsible for the entirety of what happened to Magnus. If he had been listened to the galaxy would have been saved, instead his loyalty was rewarded with the massacre of his people.

>>53507394
That's not my Punisher. I just pulled a stock photo.

I ran Lascanon and HBolters with Pask.

>>53507418
Soon I hope. I look forward to hoards of vanguards supported by Krios' and Thanatars with splashes of Onagers and Dragoons for good measure.

Too bad they'll probably all be so many points the army will have like 5 units in it.

>>53507411
>tau are no longer viable period
There you go everyone, gw removed a faction just for you.

>>53507432
>Not sure if meant to be irony ...
Nazi stormtrooper-influence probably.

>>53507398

I just stuck a bit with enclaves schemes
Wanna try random colours but am worried they'd be hideous

>>53507437
will the punishers guns get any changes in 8e?
it isnt twin linked, so heavy 40 is out of the question, as cool as that would be

>>53507435
Well, no fusion blades right now, but Farsight seems alright.

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All i need to know at this is time are:
>DE points
>Haywire and PfP
>Does wounds/damage bleed over in the squad? Can 3 D3 damage weps kill up to 9 models in a squad?

>>53507286
Crapton of transports. Incubi, wyches, and anything else jumping out at people as others dive by. The ability to deep strike transports in without the risk of scatter is going to be a big flanking move. If you position wrong a venom full of trueborn could blasterspam anything big you had waiting in a corner, then jump across the map. We've already seen 12" movement on a full-wound Hammerhead, I imagine dark eldar skimmers won't be any slower.

More reliable reinforcements also help. It looks like a huge part of strategy is hitting when and wear you want, exploiting every weakness to the fullest, and hoping it does enough damage for you to survive to the next turn. Which is good, it feels fluffy.

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So with Kroot getting some buffs in the form of the Shaper as well as their different models being able to operate independently, what are people's thoughts on making an all-kroot army?

You'd still need a non-kroot HQ for detachment purposes, but an Ethereal would be easy to represent with a conversion, and their abilities can benefit the Kroot to a degree.

The main downsides I see is a lack of AP and heavy weapons. Only Krootox have much in the area of high strength and multi-damage, and even that's basically just an autocannon. Rerolling to hit from the ethereal and to wound from the shaper would help, but it isn't the most stable backline firepower.

What else could you throw in easily to mitigate their problems without straying too far from a full Kroot force?

>>53507460
D3 damage is to 1 model.

>>53507468
No, Tau is dead. Go buy primaris.

>>53507455
Not sure, still waiting for THE GODDAMN LEAKS. But I think Heavy 30 or auto rending would be pretty sick. Or even ap 3 or something.

anyone else annoyed by the large amount of D3 and D6 rolls in damage and amount of shots? it makes games have even larger amount of random chance, especially with damage D6 were 6 outright kills most characters while 1 only scratches them.

>>53507235

>I really hope everyone enjoys boring gunline tau

So literally nothing has changed?

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>>53507455
>so heavy 40 is out of the question

>>53507460
if its d3 damage its to a single model if its d3 mortal wounds it can kill 3 models

>>53507479
The punisher is unlikely to have more than -1 rend desu, the whole point of the unit is BRRRRRRRTTTTTing out a shitload of fire to murder hoards, not killing armored targets.

>>53507432
it was very much intentional

>>53507449
first poster caught on quicker

>>53507460
Power from pain is now dependant on turn

turn 1: 6+ fnp
2: +1 to hit
3: reroll run and charge
4: ignore battleshock
5: -1 to enemy leadership.

>>Does wounds/damage bleed over in the squad?
No, first models make a save, if they fail you roll for damage, only that model takes that many wounds.

>>53507460
>bleed over.
no. except "mortal wounds," which is a new type of damage that specifically can spill over and does not allow saves.

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>>53507477
But primaris are even worse than tau

top kek

Could someone tell me if this is true?

>ORKS
>Shokk attack gun is 60" S2d6 AP -5 d3 damage
>if you roll 11 or 12 for strenght you do 1d3 mortal wounds instead.

>Nobs
>S5 T4 W2 Sv 4+
>orks within 3" don't run away on a 6"

>They can have power knife (Im not kidding) at 3points for Ap-2

>Saw is Sx2 AP -4 2 damage
>Claw is Sx2 AP -3 d3 damage.

>Flash gits have 24" Heavy 3 S5 Ap -2

>After they shoot roll a dice, on a 6 they shoot again at the nearest enemy unit. Badrukk reroll 1 to hit. Every model can have an ammo runt for a single hit reroll in the shooting phase.

>>53507480
probably to represent whether you hit anything important or not
roll of 1 on a lascannon is the equivalent of a glancing hit, while a roll of 6 would be comparable to Explodes! but at least you get to keep half your vehicle instead of GGNORE

its not too bad, considering that its intended to replace ID

>>53507238
They confirmed that Hotshot Lasguns are still a thing in the Imperial Guard faction preview, and even if you can't take them as troops there are Force Org Charts that let you take 1 HQ and 3 Elites as your mandatory choices. So you should probably be able to play them in 8th

any Imperial Guard leaks?

>>53507523
>you probably still cant give a hotshot volley gun to veteran squad
i want my catachans to have a space M60 dammit

>>53507480
Having weapons either do a single wound or ALL OF THE WOUNDS was even more dumb though.

A lot of other random shit has been removed (no more chaos boon table for example) so I don't mind.

>>53507471
>>53507491
>>53507505
Lame, means i'm gonna have to swap out my Talos weps since i've now got a squad of DL Scourges

>>53507502
>Fine
>If ranged too then amazing
>meh unless wyches
>Great
>Great

I wonder if Combat drugs will be army wide...

>>53507480
annoyed ? yeah it's cost me many a game in aos
i prefer a flat out 3 damage to a d6 most of the time
guessing i'll get used to it now though

>>53507523
Sweet. I might break out the other Taurox I still have in box before I quit playing.

>>53507519
I haven't seen any of this except for the nobz thing about morale, which is true.

>>53507544
3 damage is comparable to a 2d6, though
giving up 0.5 average in favor of reliability

>>53507519
We aren't sure yet if those are real

>>53507515
Just buy them.

>>53507519
those were never photographically confirmed and italianfag who was posting leaks wasn't the one who posted them.

>>53507411
You got anything actual to show that's viable or even possible? As it seems everything is more expensive for everyone unless you just run basic dudes without upgrades and well... fire warriors are good as ever in that department, heck even 1ppm cheaper now.

>all these fucking random points values

Jesus building a list with this shit is going to be a nightmare.

>>53507558
Personally I prefer reliability. You've already got a chance of missing, failing to wound, or the enemy unit passing their save. I'd rather not get through all of that only to roll 1s on damage.

>>53507617
Says the AoS player.

>chaos terminator minimum squad size is now 5

What the fuck, do I have to pay for, and then drop a termie out to get a lord in there? That's so shit, thanks nuGW.

>>53507622
I'm not the AoS player you were talking to. I've no interest in playing AoS.

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>>53507519
Yes anon it's true. Also you parents are getting back together and Stacey wants you to ask her to prom.

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I was reading Gathering Storm to catch up on fluff.

Trayzn's Tesseract "help" struck me as odd... because the Necron was never seen by Abbadon.

Imagine this from Abby's point of view. Creed is desperate and close to falling. Victory almost in grasp!

Suddenly from thin fucking air:
>30K Ultramarines, Contemptor included
>Entire fucking force of Vostroyans
>Various guardsmen
>Salamander Marines
>Inquisitor + Storm Troopers
>Wulfen come screaming in from another direction
>Also the Saint joined in too from above

Abbadon's reaction was never noted. Surely he must have been absolutely enraged at how this genius of a fucker somehow hid all these forces -and- coordinated the Saint & crazed Wulfen somehow to attack at nearly the same time? Fucking tactical genius.


Then it hit me. They kept Trayzn in that situation JUST to jokingly explain the 'Tactical Genius' of old. Trayzn was just following Creed around letting out random fucking troops just to fuck with Chaos, because fuck Chaos right?

>>53507394
The true Punisher is pask with multi meltas and lascannon with stubber.

>>53507640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLfasMPOU4

>>53507629
Why would you pay for a landraider when you can precision deep strike at will?

>>53507341
With all the jumps in point costs I really hope they don't skyrocket in cost... they're too damn expensive as is.

>>53507653
I like the idea that Cain is some sort of boggieman to Chaos with them swapping stores on how he scared them.

>>53507629
>to get a lord in there?
characters cant join squads anymore

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>>53507459
>fusion blades
Fuck that give us lesser onager gauntelts/pile bunkers

>>53507746

Yes, but transports can just hold squads

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>>53507448
Good. Fuck tau and everyone who play them.

>>53507746
News flash, units can share a transport.

>>53507640
Naive boy, do you think that I'm after Stacy and not Stacy's Mom?

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>>53507653
mfw this post

>>53507613
>using a calculator is hard
ive heard this same complaint from my friends, how is keeping track of numbers, then adding them up going to be in any way difficult?

>>53507769
You're too slow >>53507663 beat you to it

>>53507787

Different guy, but for me is less of the values being difficult, but asinine and arbitrary.

>>53507787
Most 40k players I know can't even make an armylist without Battlescribe holding their hand, and are hopelessly lost when it's not updated yet or bugs out.

Have to correct their shit and point out good options they missed all the time. Is reading a codex and basic math really that hard ?

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>tfw a friend offers you something to paint for them

>>53507799
They're an abstract measure of wargame utility. Of course they're arbitrary. How are they any more so than they always were?

So I recently started playing, with a Thousand Sons army. I really like the Iron Warriors lorewise, and the design of Helbrutes. Are they going to be not shit in 8e?

>>53507791
Aw shucks. I thought I was clever.
Next time anon, next time I shall be swifter

>>53507468
Nigga, I've been running this forever. Take drones to fill in your gun needs, and say that this is literally an Expendables detachment.

>>53507822
Helbrutes are looking quite lovely.

>>53507847
Awesome. Would the start collecting CSM be good now, then?

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Now that templates are gone and very few things will care about the spacing of your models, how many of you are actually considering using movement trays?

Would you build them rectangular or prefer to keep them rounded? How many models on 25mm bases would you stick on a single tray? 32mm? 40mm?

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where're my ork spoilers?

>>53507468
I don't know, the more I think about it the more kroot feel like orks-1. They're a cheap, stop-gap measure, sure, but for a horde army with little in the way for saves and morale-mitigation I think battleshock is going to obliterate what extra-dakka-edition doesn't

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>>53507653
How Abbadon must feel.

>>53507241
I got 4 of the fuckers to split up in 2-3 units for my IW list, but now they just come in a unit of 3.. This is some bullshit if you ask me.

>>53507905
They did them, didn't you see it? It was about the Ork Kommandos and the new Purple Orks of Mork.

>>53507859
It's a good deal monetarily if you're okay with somewhat out of date Chaos Marines. But there's no way to know when we'll get new models for the basic Chaos Marines.

>>53507241
>>53507921
I think this will be the edition of "Run what you want, it all works, just make sure you have other stuff to help it."

Prior editions was: run the best shit don't waste points. That doesn't apply now as much... as long as you have shit to help.

This edition is feeling more and more like "Variety 40k" rather than "10 good units out of 500"

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>>53507330
>Implying you aren't going to get drowned in 67 point carnifexes
>Implying you need anything else when they mortal wound on +4 on charge

OM NOM NOM NOM

Made a post on the previous thread but didn't see an answer. I'm thinking about getting into 40k with Primaris Marines and I'm wondering which Chapter has the easiest color scheme to paint.

Did yesterday's article point to what was being shown today? What's the next faction preview going to be on?

>>53507906
Yeah. I feel like the Ethereal and Shaper would help slightly with that, as could going for MSU in general, but it feels hard to get something going with them that wouldn't just get stonewalled by the first thing more durable than a Rhino

>>53507752
Also gone.

Railguns are back in business.

>>53507241
They lost a lot of flexibility to more randomness as well as a locked unit size of 3. They also no longer have power fists with no option to purchase them. I'll be looking to alternatives such as Havocs and Helbrutes, probably.

>>53507893
People were doing this for 40K?

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>>53507308
Here's a bigger one for you, oh devout brother.

>>53507946
probably one of the black ones because mistakes are easy to cover up

Hey Black Templar players, what sets you apart from Blood Angels and Furfags? I don't reckon you having any actual close combat-buffing rules unlike the former two.

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>mfw I'll go to my LGS today and read all the new indexes they got yesterday

>>53507946
I've found that green is very forgiving. Black and silver would also be rather straightforward. Stay away from white and yellow.

>>53507959
Hammedhead sucks ass.

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WHERE'S MORE CHAOS LEAKS?

>>53507959

>Longstrike is HQ now.

About time.

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>>53507165
My favorite unit is the Tervigon because it has weaponized ovaries

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>>53507165
Khornate Berzerkers for me, since they're such a massively underrated unit that quickly gets hilarious turn one assaults once you factor in World Eaters rules, drowning the unuspecting enemy in an ocean of attacks before they even get to shoot.

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>>53507983
These guys seem to be leaking quite profusely.

>>53507976
How

my biggest question is do you roll damage before or after your opponent makes their armor save

>>53507397
Read it.
That's what it means.
>Made using old Primarch geneseed
>More organs
>Taller
>Not sure if genetic defects ie Red Thirst still happens
That is it

>>53508001
I wonder why so few people field those, they shit on everything.

>>53508010
after

>>53507976
I know this is b8, but

How are zerkers in 8th? What changes did they get?

>>53507946
Probably iron hands

>>53507983
I'd like to see the other psychic powers. The only thing I liked about 7th was the psychic phase. Without the versatility we had in 7th it feels lackluster. The fact that you just can cast one power per turn per army (ex. smite) isn't helping.

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Do all bombers cause mortal wounds?

>>53507820

Because now, you pay 60 points for a transport for a squad that costs 80 points, not 67 for the transport, 19 for the gun, 82 for a squad, and 33 for the guns.

>>53507816
Sauce?

>>53507893
The only problem is that close combat messes them up.

>>53507983
WHERE
ARE
MY
ROUGH RIDER
LEAKS

Want to know why?

Renegade Guard share Astra Militarum key word.

RENEGADE ROUGH RIDERS.

CHAOS HORSEMEN RIDING ALONGSIDE MY CHAOS BIKERS.

Do you know how fucking COOL that will look?

>>53508021
in the case of nurgle do they make the disgustingly resilient roll also before the damage or do you roll a number of times equal to the damage

>>53507931

Anon, they've already released 2 box seats with new CSM plastic kits.

Shall I try seeker missile spam now?

>>53508031
>that gif
Makes me wonder why air bombing doesn't play a larger role in 40k, considering you don't hear much about long range anti-air yet orbital defense lasers are everywhere.

>>53508049
Will I need the new models, or could I get the older ones?

>>53508058
For what? To deal 3 wounds to 12W lemon?

>>53508064
It's called orbital bombardment. Usually happens before or after your games.

>>53507972
A versatile troop choice with a land raider as transport and BT used to have Vows which could buff the army in different ways.

>>53508045
Equal to the damage.

>>53508045
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-death-guard/

"However, the fact that those high-Strength weapons usually do more than 1 Damage now, means you may need to take multiple Disgustingly Resilient rolls."

All these leaks and I still havent seen a thing about SW. I just wanna know how hard we get fucked in the new edition man.

>>53508064

Probably because the games are aimed to skirmishes. Strategic bombers don't fit at this scale.

>>53508071
>considering you don't hear much about long range anti-air yet orbital defense lasers are everywhere.
Please read a post before replying to it.

>>53508064
40k game scale is a little off for a large bomber mission outside of Apoc.

>>53508065
Old models are just fine. Sometimes they even look better. But it's up to you. They're your dudes.

>>53508086
Thank you for kindly asking, however we at the Administratum have denied your request. Henceforth for budgetary purposes only one quarter of your "posts" shall be read, judged, and replied to. A time saving measure you will appreciate in the efficient use of your taxes.

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>>53508078
>>53508077
thanks for the info friends

>>53508097
Awesome! I really like the older models. A friend of mine gave me a sprue with some gaunt arm bits. Would any of those be useable in CSM kitbashing?

>>53507995
>Longstrike is HQ

Well, there goes my one remaining concern for an all-tank Tau army. No pesky Ethereals to hide in a Devilfish for me

>>53508112
Medium-rare shitposting is still shitposting.

>>53508130
You could use them for various mutations that wouldn't really have any rules effects. Enough of them could potentially make some good Possessed. Or possibly as claw and talons for Slaanesh followers.

It's Chaos, go nuts!

no photo. but apparently the Tervigon is 8" Move S7 T8 W14 3+ save. Makes either a new unit of 10 Termagaunts or replenishes 10 from an existing unit.

>>53508130
Mutations! Go nuts. Use some greenstuff to make the arms blend in a bit as a mutation at joints. Don't just glue.

>>53508160
Old /tg/ was less bitter. Lighten up.

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>>53508187

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>>53507165
Someone help me make a group of Custodes with good fluff and as little "we're da bestest evar" as possible. This is my only idea so far. forgive the heavy compression of my napkin notes

>were part of the first batches of the Big E's experiments in making the Custodes
>perfected the Custodes and ordered them to be executed due to their imperfections and overall instability
>fled, hid in the farthest corners of the universe to avoid being hunted
>mental instability combined with their heightened connection to the Emperor cause them to seek and and attack anyone who could possibly be a threat to the Emperor (so pretty much anyone really) in order to regain the love and attention of their banana king

Still thinking of a name and some colors. Silver could be cool, although a glossy cherry red sticks out in my mind for some reason

>>53507893
Im actually glad you used my pic from last thread for this anon. Thanks.

>>53508197
I thought about using some sprue for mechanical "mutations". Would a plastic or metal Chaos Lord be better for kitbashing? The LGS has a bunch of metal models.

>>53508227
plastic definitely

>>53508227
Plastic. Also while I know you want to be creative and use sprues - don't. You'll be disappointed with the results unless you have a lot of modelling skill. Not trying to shoot you down, I just have seen to many people try it and fail.

You really should start off with regular chaos marines painted up Iron Warriors style. Make them stand out with paint jobs - not glued on random sprue.

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>>53507945
Suddenly genestealers behind your lines is what truely terrifies me so far with nids

>>53508042
Alongside and not in front

>>53508249
Alright. I was planning on using corner sprues for wing-like growths

>>53508250
>Can't have Nids in your backline if the only thing you have on the board are Talos
Shame my photoshop is so weak or i'd meme that shit up

>>53508004
>>53508022
Guys form LGS already told me they had their copies of rulebook and indexes to prepare for launch event at 17th, so members of LGS can drop anytime and check them out.

I'll check zerkers and hopefully take some photos.

>>53508018
But....

>impart any additional resistance to the effects of Chaos.

Marines have inbuilt anti-Chaos defences?

>>53508279
>mfw my flgs is 90% mtg and doesn't stock anything in advance of a release
At least they give us 20% off on orders.

>>53508267
Do test fittings. Use blutac (that stuff you use to hang posters on your wall) to get an idea for what parts will look like before you actually glue.

If you're new to the hobby, you will mess up. I did when I started. Everyone does. The best way to learn is to try things.

did wie have AS pics already?
>http://natfka.blogspot.de/2017/05/sisters-of-battle-leaks.htm

>>53508296
Mines the same, but doesn't even give any discounts :^(

>>53508207
how about you go with established fluff for your super elite snowflakes, instead of making super duper special snowflakes out of your snowflake bodyguards.

>>53508187
huh so they are making some MCs tougher.

after the swarmlord preview i was expect everything else to stay T6 as well.

>>53507940
It pleases me to know that the everything goes thing is happening. I play primarily with an extremely casual group. How cool a model looks and it's lore are our primary factors for buying it rather than it's table top qualities.

However we do occasionally go to tournaments and oh boy is it one sided. Watching my footslogging, Dreadnought heavy Iron Hands get plastered by Eldar and Tau cheese spam is somewhat depressing. It was even worse for my Ork friend.

Now it looks like we still won't be super competitive if we just run whatever, but it won't just be totally pointless to show up. The new Power Points thing is also pretty neat and will likely end up being used more than the regular points system among my friends.

>>53508207
Check out the scheme in Inferno for the vault guardian boyos.

>>53508342
stay angry

>>53508356
so glad this its gonna be like this, I usually just bought the coolest looking models for my army just cause I enjoyed painting them up in my armies colors even if they werent considered good, at least I'll be able to enjoy all those models that have sat on a shelf now, and thank christ my melee dreads cant get immobilized.

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>>53508187
>Argued with a friend that Nids had fucked up toughness and that it would change in 8e
>Said that they were too squishy realistically to have higher toughness than 6
It feels good to be right. Now if only the Maleceptor would turn out to not be garbage.

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>haruspex
>W13 T8 S7(less if damaged)
>if it kills gains an extra attack and wound
>its claws are Sx2 ap-3 dd6
>upon death with a 6 it "explodes", inflicting 3 mortal wounds to an unit within 3"
>each time it's wounded on a 6 it inflicts a mortal wound
I assume the last 2 are the last iteration of acid blood

>lictor 3 attacks hit on 2+, s6, 4 wounds, 5+, gains +2 armour when in cover instead of 1, is hit with a -1 penalty, can reroll charge when deep striking

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>Thanks to new damage tables, former Anti-Vehicle weapons now are equally effective against MCs due to multiple damage
YES

YES

YES!

Man the leaks just keep on coming and it seems like every lgs is letting their customers look at the index.

Cant wait to see chapter tactics and the emperors champion.

>>53507306
Yes, fuck your 5000 pts of only elites and vehicles faggotry

>>53508342
>actively discouraging /yourdudes/

They're not even super duper, they're watered down at best considering outdated gear and the colonel's secret recipe not being quite perfected at their inception

>>53508373
The black for the vault guardians is definitely cool, but probably wouldn't fit the group's fluff. Maybe a variation on it would work

>>53508383
yfw plasma is even better at killing nids than it was before

>>53508037
Sorry anon, can't help you with that. You'll have to ask someone else or something like that.

>>53508407
Oh nice Canoness straight up comes with a Rosarius now. Four 3+ evis hits look good.

The 6" reroll 1's seems to be the generic commander buff bubble, anyone have any different ones yet?

>>53508407

Holy fucking shit I love you. Please give me more. More, I must have MORE.

>>53508328
Sisters confirmed shitty with MANDATORY SPECIAL CHARACTER as usual, but are now required to own a simulacrum for every squad.

>>53508356
>>53508373
Same here. I run fluffy Renegade Guard.

Sure FW chaos guard -can- be cheesed out... but fluffy renegades?

Vraskians?

Get out the trench shovels. Dig in. Shell him. Blow that whistle and charge across the field!

>turn 1, get a volley off
>turn 2, half of army wiped out by broadside spam
>turn 3, tau player #29 asks why i don't have 8+ leman russes, I would have won if I had those! I should buy some tanks! Clearly I don't own enough tanks because I didn't think to buy them!

>>53508448
Surprisingly >>53508328 is real, though he fucked up the url by leaving the l off of html at the end
>http://natfka.blogspot.de/2017/05/sisters-of-battle-leaks.html

>>53508407
Please!

A: ROUGH RIDERS! How are they? PLEASE.
B: Battle Sisters?

Are Riptides really that bad with the new rules? It seems more like a nerf towards spammers and Nova spammers. Am I missing something?

>>53508470
I wish I actually had the book on me, I'm just taking the image from >>53508466

>>53508407
>>53508328
>>53508466
>Exocists can now do up to 18 S8 -4 wounds per turn
>people will take minimum of 3
Oh shit

>>53508383
>>Said that they were too squishy realistically to have higher toughness than 6
what the fuck does this even mean

>>53508407
Can you show me the Custodes?

Anyone have some READABLE pics of the tau rules? Found them on bols but they are pics made for ants.

>>53508466
I know Repentia are shit and I'll never use them anyway but why are their eviserators worse than the canoness's? -4ap to -2ap.

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>>53508433
I don't even mind because Tau fags are crying, grav weapons are nerfed, and Nids have scaling toughness like they should've for two editions. Just knowing that fishfags and gay knights are seeing what nerfs are like will sustain me, no matter how terribly I get manhandled on the battlefield.

>>53508495
He argued that Nid flesh could never be as tough as the other factions' various armors because metal > meat irl.

>>53508497
Why would you want readable pics for an unplayable army?

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Still nothing on the humble Guardsmen?

>STILL no IG leaks
reee

>>53508449

Maybe I'm just daft, but we look fine to me. No where near as bad as yoy are making us out to be. Yeah I'll need a few with simulacrum but that's fine. I don't mind that. I play sisters because I like them, not because I want to play the best faction evah. And the new acts look decently powerful so having to work for them seems fine to me.

>>53508541
slowpoke.jpg

>>53508511
Repentia seem like a viable glass cannon alpha strike unit to me. Put them in a Rhino if you can't get anything better, do the Rhino charges first to soak overwatch trick. Then the Repentia can charge and strike first with eviscerators.

Now Land Raider is better than pisstide.
>more durable
>bs 3+
>4 lascannons, 12 assault cannon shots

>>53508466
>http://natfka.blogspot.de/2017/05/sisters-of-battle-leaks.html

>Sororitas Vehicles cant use Acts of Faith

WELL THERE GOES ALL MY BATTLE PLANS

unless I misread something or missed a rule

So do you think multiple ministorum priests stack?

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>>53508390
hows the Maleceptor
please I must know

>>53508279
You're completely full of shit, but thanks anyway.

>>53508573
Its gonna be decent but still overshadowed by zoanthropes I bet. choosing psychic powers means its unique psychic power, if it still has one, really needs to be amazing or its gonna be really bad.

>>53508466
I'm kind of disappointed they got rid of the command celestian squad that could load up on whatever mix of guns you wanted.

I wanted to do something really gimmicky and get a full squad with combi-weapons, but I guess that's off the table.

Legion of the Damned were on the cover of one of the Indexes.

In all these leaks, I just want to see if someone can confirm if they got an army list beyond just an hq and an elite slot or not.

>>53508573
source of this gif, please

>>53508485
>implying anything has changed

>>53508532
You do realize that AoF have to be used in the beginning of the turn and special rules can't be used inside vehicles, right? Unless you have a bunch of people sitting outside their vehicles, then you can't even buff them. The AoF are nice, but now we need to pay $14 for each squad we have any reliable way to use any of them. Then there's MANDATORY CHARACTER that they keep shoving down our throats. I was having fun not using her in 7th, but now it actively hurts the army NOT using her. AGAIN.

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>Even Sisters got leaked before DE
Best til last i suppose

>>53508573
Okay I keep seeing these beautiful gifs, who's the artist?

>>53508586
Nope. Rule of One. Maleceptor, even in its current state, is now looking to be an auto-include for using psychic powers.

>>53508601
>all 200 DE players unable to bitch as loudly as all 4 SoB players
This is the future you chose.

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>>53508601
>Best till last I suppose
Affirmative Xenos Space Pirate.

>>53508612
>4 turbo autists vs 200 chill guys

>>53508570

Penitent Engines seem beastly if they can get into combat. Each Buzzsaw hits at S10 and a guaranteed 3 Damage each, plus the two Heavy Flamers which can drown lighter models. T6 and W7 with 4+ is kind of durable if it doesn't face a whole lot of stern opposition; it's still a light walker and I suspect the Ironstriders will turn out much the same.

Also note, Penitent Engines can be squadroned in 3s.

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>>53508383
>Argued with anons here that carnifices would not retain S9 and be more in line with the dreadnought profile
>Said that I'm crazy and the carni would remain the same as it did for all the past editions
I only hope the big meaty claws don't come with a to hit penalty since it already hits on a 4+

>>53507165
I just finished reading the Tau leaks... Are Onager Gauntlets dead?

>>53508618
>tfw we haven't even seen a single AdMech unit yet

Just show me Dunecrawlers or Dragoons already GW you fucks.

>>53508625

That's one thing that actually got better in the Codex, even thought they should have been MCs all along. I may order some from china at some point, or just use contemptors as proxy.

>>53508633

All relics are dead.

>>53508633
Relics will probably come out with codexes

>>53508589
I ran a squad with all Power Axes and an Eviscerator Cannoness with two Eviscerator Priests to give the whole squad Shred

but I guess Sisters don't get to have nice things, anymore.

Fuck me I was really banking on Act of Faith Immolators closing in quickly, it was like the only viable plan I could think of, since Imagifiers in a transport do exactly jack and shit.

Maybe deep striking Seraphim or Vanguard Dominions with flamers instead of melta, as a distraction? I dunno anymore.

Good to see Celestians are still pointless

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>sisters can't go to 20 anymore

WHAT THE FUCK GW

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Are EMP grenades gone? Damn, it's not a big loss after the grenade nerf, but I will miss them.

>>53508609
Not really, if it maintains the same absurd points cost it had previously. Zoanthropes will probably be cheaper and you can now bring one with the plan that it will be your catalyst spammer for cheap. If we have good other psychic powers, enough that we want all of them, the maleceptor might be worth it. But between cheaper synapse, possibly still having warp lances for when one needs to help pop a tank and being cheaper all around I think a zoanthrope is going to be better than a maleceptor. We'll obviously have to see the rules before we can really judge though!

>>53508633

I would have to imagine that Special Issue Wargear, Relics, and the like are probably in for a retooling. There were a few ways to break them (Smashfucker) or they were singularly useless, too expensive, or superfluous.

Also consider that a number were weapons that would need entirely new profiles with this new edition, and a bunch more interacted with special rules and phases in certain ways which won't work or would work much differently (possibly brokenly).

If Relics do come back, they'll probably be in new Codex releases. The 8e book releases seem to just be an attempt to pull everything into the 8e system, a stopgap solution to just get everything on-track, and the old flavorful Relics and stuff will come back via Codex release.

>>53508684
>Up to 15
What an odd choice

>>53508684
I don't know how I feel about command squad type characters being Elite solos now.

>>53508625
Can they? It seemed like they were removing vehicle squadrons on the whole except for the really lightweight stuff.

Pentinent engines might be okay if they're cheap, but it's essentially just a close combat dreadnought.

Right now sisters feel like they've lost a lot of the mobility and ranged killing power they had in their last codex. Exorcists raining down missiles in spades was a lot better when they could blow things up with them, now everyone is shooting d6 shots with their tank guns, and d3 damage isn't all that impressive.

Meanwhile, while being able to shoot twice with infantry is nice, you lose the ability to run an efficient mechanized sisters force due to the wording on Acts of Faith. Dominions which could pile into an Immolator, scout ahead, and be firing Ignores-cover meltaguns into the enemy's face, now have to wait a turn in the danger-zone before they're more effective than any other melta squad.

Plus, Acts of Faith generally don't scale up well. You get 1 per turn default and anything extra means adding specific models to tag along with squads.

So now Sisters lack mobility along with lacking ranged firepower, and didn't get much in return.

>>53508680
Deep-striking Seraphim isn't that great, since you're only getting 2 bolt pistol shots from 9" away, and you can't even fire hand flamers or inferno pistols.

I'm pretty sure anyone here could write a better Sisters codex in their sleep.

>>53508684
SHIT I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE THAT

>>53508632
claws didnt have penalty according to italian anon, they're just double strength AP -3

>>53508684
>5 to 15

Indeed... What the fuck?

>>53508604
>>53508594
SteelJoe on deviantart

>>53508687

You'd have to wonder what Haywire/Armorbane or Poisoned/Fleshbane would do this edition, and how it would differentiate given that you can't divide vehicles and squishy dudes into two neat categories.

If these units had keyword tags like "Mechanical" or "Warmachine" or "Vehicle" on them, it'd go a ways to making them vulnerable to Haywire specifically, allowing it to fuck with robots and vehicles, but have little effect on flesh. Vice versa with Poisoned and Fleshbane.

>>53508595

You have a point, but that just means I won't be using an act until I get there, which is no different than it was in the past. I'll just throw a sister with a simulucrum in a few of my rhinos for when they show up. In the mean time I'll have celestine and a few units of seraphim that I will be able to use acts with, and I am okay with that. If you don't like celestine that's fine, but I like her and have no problem running her.

>>53508689
It's not staying the same cost. Nids have been getting cheaper across the board in the leaks, with Carnifexes being 67 points per now.

>>53508700
I actually kind of like it. Hospitallers being able to 'join' any squad, and also being able to revive downed models feels a lot cooler to me than just Feel No Pain for a command squad.

Of course, the burn there is that nobody would have really had more than 1 of them before, and the only place to get them is buying a full Command squad from the shop anyway, so making them an 'upgrade' for any unit is painful dollar-wise

>>53508466
Am I missing something with Hand of the Emperor. You roll at the start of your turn, and then can move as though it was the movement phase. But I thought the start of your turn IS the movement phase?

>>53508680

Seriously. I didn't think I'd ever say I missed the 6th edition/IA rules, yet here I am. Let's start the checklist, shall we?

>Celestine is a major crutch
>Canoness is worthless
>Celestians are dog shit
>Dominions are the best unit in the Codex
>Battle Sisters are 5man tax units

Yup. It's a Sister's Codex.

>>53508736
We already know "Vehicle" is a keyword.

How the fuck do you stick the paper symbols and such on curved shapes like shoulders without having them get all bendy?

>>53508727
Thank you Anon, such amazing work.

>>53508742
I think it's an extra movement before the movement phase actually starts.

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>>53508740
>and the only place to get them is buying a full Command squad from the shop anyway,

>>53508742
It's essentially extra movement. Meaning that rather than moving just 6 inches, your sisters can move a blistering 12 inches

Or you can, y'know, shoot twice. I don't think there's ever really a reason to not be using your acts to either shoot twice or attack twice in assault. The others feel really situational.

>>53508742
It's a pre move move

>>53508750
Score them

>>53508644

Keep in mind that on a 4+, they can attack again in melee.

How much is that? Three Penitent Engines with 4 Attacks each at WS 3+, each successful hit doing 3 damage (at S10, which is likely to wound, so 2+/3+ for that), that can do it a second round on a 4+. How much damage does that math out to on average?

>>53508763
The extra move is kind of situational but I can think of worse options to have available.

>>53508740
Yeah, the versatility of being able to toss a buff-man on any squad is going to be great, but it seems like it'll eat into FOC slots hardcore, unless you can buy multiples per slot or something.

>>53508736
Poisoned seems to be reroll 1's to wound.
Leas that's what nurgle dudes have.

>>53508738

I used Celestine during the entirety of the WD Codex, and I learned to hate her because she is nothing more than a brainless crutch. I fucking HATE the fact that GW keeps shoving her down our fucking throats instead of letting canoness be capable of ANYTHING. The 5th edition Codex actually took away all the utility of the canoness and never looked back. She STILL can't take a fucking jump pack anymore. That shit was a staple and they just removed it for no reason. Instead, all we get is "Just use Celestine xxxDDDddd"

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>2017
>no grot special characters

>>53508740
>Of course, the burn there is that nobody would have really had more than 1 of them before, and the only place to get them is buying a full Command squad from the shop anyway, so making them an 'upgrade' for any unit is painful dollar-wise

Oh, and of course... this is a good impetus for PLASTIC SISTERS.

>>53508573
if it remains 4+/5++ it'll be shit almost no matter how cheap they make it

>>53508784
You can take 3-6 with that one Elite-focused detachment, and all it'll cost you is an HQ as tax

Am I the only sisters player not pissed right now?

>>53508750
Soak in white vinegar/water mix and score transparent areas.

Vinegar makes them softer and more flexible but also more prone to tearing.

>>53508747
>>53508708
Oh, wait, silver lining

Priests CAN buff Sister infantry units, since Sisters all have the Ministorum keyword.

Though instead of Fearlessness, Hatred, Shred in melee, and rerollable Invul saves in melee, it's now +1 Attack for hanging out with a Priest, which benefits....

Celestine, amusingly. But little else

I might run the numbers and see if Repentia are as garbage as we think they are. A rhino is at least a low priority target in an army otherwise full of immolators and Celestine, but god knows Repentia arent living if something hits back against them.

Favorite unit has got to bed the one that got me into the hobby in the first place. Rubric marines. Those bright colors, that cool egyptian aesthetic, that squad leader with the shock of white robes. They caught my eye as a kid and I absolutely loved the look of them. I had to find out more.

>>53508794

I will concede that this is a fair complaint.

>>53508802
I'm not pissed, just disappointed and a maybe little glad that I started an Admech army.

>>53508609
Stop misusing this term, there's no rule of one.
Rule of One is 'one power can be used only once per turn, even if you have multiple psykers that can cast it'.
The only restriction there is in 8th is thatbone psyker cannot cast the same power twice. But if another psyker want to cast said power, they can.

>>53508802
I'm not really pissed, just disappointed that I won't be able to make the command squad I wanted. Aside from that, it's mainly just the fact that all of their new rules feel like they're working against eachother, rather than together.

>>53508684
HOWEVER

SHIELD OF FAITH on EVERYTHING practically.

Your FUCKING RHINO CAN DENY THE WITCH. Though only on a D6.

>>53508827
But thats wrong retard.

>>53508817
I recall in 7th they were pretty great for hacking Imperial Knights to pieces, though that was mainly a factor of armourbane

>>53507301
That better mean Ghaz's story is advancing, gets annoying having him not go unite the tribes

>>53508832
CONFIRMED: Every single Sisters of Battle unit, even vehicles, can deny the witch.

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>>53508827

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>>53508832
>>53508849
But they already had that in the last Sororitas codex...

>>53508798

GW internal messages have already noted surprise at how much demand there was for the Blanche Sister character figure, and seemed to indicate that they might try reviving them.

I can only guess that Celestine, being a pretty big powerhouse in and of herself now, would help renew interest (and we'll have to see the sales figures if these Triumvirate boxes get split) and push them to make some new support for Sisters.

>>53508832
I'm still not sure how useful that is. Most psychic powers seem to need 6s or 7s to manifest anyway, so the only thing you have any chance of denying is stuff that only needs a 5. Then you have to hope your opponent rolls exactly a 5 while you roll a 6.

>>53508831

Well we'll figure it out. And maybe someday we'll get a faq or something. I really don't care if we're shit. I knew we were shit when I started, I just like sisters. If I suffer for it, we'll that's just the price I pay i guess. I'm nothing if not loyal to my girls.

>>53508855
I mean who would even ever play matched play? power levels is the cool new thing anon.

>>53508863
Back then everyone could.
Now it's just them, nulls and probably Templars (maybe zerkers too)

>>53507301
If we have to job I hope we job for you guys

>>53508880
That's the other problem. Last edition? We weren't shit. Sisters were solid mid-tier thanks to being able to rush efficient melta towards targets and having something effective in the long-ranged Exorcists.

Now? Now we don't even have that, and lost one of the most customizable squads we had.

Sisters of Battle just need to go already. They have been a joke for as long as I can remember.

>>53508863

Sshhhhh. Only Sisters players know we've had that rule since 5th edition.

>>53508879
Deny the witch is literally useless as it is

>>53508466

The Shield of Faith rules seem a bit weak. A 6++ is very rarely to happen. I don't know the Psyker rules very well, what is the chances of them actually denying any psyker powers with shield of faith being on 1d6 rather than 2d6?

Then again: The faith powers are kinda great.

>>53507301
He will just show up some where else. So i really don't care.

>>53507301
>Implying they wont find a way to have Papa smurf in and claim victory or some chaos shit.
I would seriously have prefered jobbing to Bangels and their necron buddies like the buildup had promised.

>>53508885
Unless they change their rules the Rune Priests can too

WE NEED IMPERIAL GUARD LEAKS

I don't care if sisters are good, I just want my new models already

>>53508918
I would have preferred that you had jobbed to us and Necrons also. So mad that papa smurf showed up and ruined the cool long story we could had.

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>>53508909
Over a whole game length a 6++ saves a lot of sisters from heavy weapons, can't say the deny the witch ever did me much good though.

>>53508802

I don't see too much that I'm super angry about. It's more or less what I expected from SOB and none of it looks too terrible. Penitent Engines look nice now.

Dunno how reliable claiming to be more leaks.
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2087

>>53508940

I meant more with the addition of armour mods. It takes a bloody big weapon to negate power armour.

God I want my ork leak

I'm 99% sure I already know boy profile but I want to know their point cost

>>53508900

Ah fuck off and let us like what we like. The hell did we ever do to you?

>>53508942

Penitent Engines just need some new models.

You could probably convert a passable proxy with Killa Kan, Dreadknight, and Dreadnought parts (and maybe others) but a dedicated kit would be fantastic.

>>53508909
>I don't know the Psyker rules very well, what is the chances of them actually denying any psyker powers with shield of faith being on 1d6 rather than 2d6?
considering that most psychic powers have a casting value of 5 or higher, in most of the chances where you would be likely to deny a witch it would have already failed to cast the spell to begin with

>>53508927

Rune priests is psychers course they can you ninny.

>>53508960
He only says it cause it makes you mad anon. That is what you did to him.