Warhammer 40,000 General - /40kg/

The only thing I don't like about the new points cost is that fucking all of them are weird numbers that don't add up to 5.

First for tyranids will be shit again

>>53490068
>Marines are the new weeaboo edition
>"""""""NEW"""""""""
Marines have always been and will always be the most weeb faction in this game.

>>53490090
t. tau player

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Could someone tell me how tall are tyranid models? I was truly suprised when some Anon posted a pic of his hive tyrant yesterday - I had no idea how small it is (11cm)

Mephiston

M 7" / WS 2+ / BS 2+ / S 5 / T 5 / W 5 / S 2+
His sword is S X2 / -3 VP / D3 Wounds
Ignores Wounds and mortal wounds on a 5+
Casts/Dispels (with an added +1 bonus) 2 powers and knows 3 Powers from BA discipline

Tervigon

M 8" / WS 4+ / BS 4+ / S 7 / T 8 / W 14 / S 3+

Creates a unit of 10 barebone termagants or can add up to 10 dead barebone termagants to an unit (not over the unit size at the start of the game)


from dakkadakka

>>53490082
Pretty sure it's a wargear thing, so people are more willing to take small point items to round out their lists.

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WHEN WILL WE BE AMPLIFIED, /TG/?

>>53490113
Never. Stop forcing your shitty memes, degenerate.

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>>53490105
Hey, I'm Rippy, who are you?

What news are we expecting for today?
>Talons faction focus when

>>53490134
I'm hoping for admech.

>chaos cultists 5 ppm
>tzaangors 7 ppm
>space marines 13 ppm
It's not looking good for horde armies at this point.

>>53490084
sadness :(

Some anon calculated the average on battle cannons in the last thread. Got it really this shit?

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The new Primaris dread looks kind of silly.

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>>53490113
Soon brother.

>>53490096

60 mm base.

>I was shocked hive tyrants are only ~16 foot tall

>>53490105

Tervigons confirmed shit

>>53490134
>Talons
Eventually since there are ten faction focuses left before release and there arent many left aside from marine chapters

Eldar:
Scatter lasers are 36" Heavy 4 Ap0

Inquisition and Grey Knights:

Inquisitors can enter any Imperial vehicle and give bubble buffs to Imperium keyword units, depending on the Ordo chosen
Grey Knights know a nerfed verison of Smite, 12" 1 mortal wound (3 if Daemon keyword)

Necrons:
Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.

Living metal allows for automatically regaining lost wounds

Basic Gauss is 24" Rapid Fire **Ap-2**, Gauss Cannon is Ap-3 Dmg
Discipline 10

Warriors cost unchanged form 7th.

Monolith M6" W20 S8 T8 Save3+, Gauss Flux Arc Heavy 3 S5 Ap-2, Whip Heavy 6 S8 Ap-2 DmgD6. When it gets charged, roll on a D6 and if 4+ (or worse, depending on wounds lost) charging unit gets D6 mortal wounds.

Space Marines:
Grav is S5 Ap-3 and does DmgD3 if Save is 3+ or better

Narthecium no longer provides FnP but heals a model for D3 wounds

Tau:
Markerlights are cumulative per phase and provide different bonuses, depending on how many hit the unit. Basic is reroll 1s, then you have remove cover bonus, increase BS, use Seeker/Destroyer Missiles (normally snapshooting)

Railguns have a chance to do Mortal Wounds
Activating Nova Reactor may result in Mortal Wound

Firesight Marksmen are Independent Characters
Pulse rifles are AP0. Pulse Blasters AP-1 at 10" and AP-2 at 5", Assault 2.

Ghostkeels and Stealth Suits give a -1 malus to BS if shot at from more than 12", can deploy outside of deployment zone at 12".

Broadside Railgun is Heavy 2 S8 Ap-4 DmgD6, HYMP is Heavy 4 S7 Ap-1 DmgD3

Pathfinders and Kroots are faster than Fire Warriors

>>53490082
It's weird.
It's like they used some kind of formula to get the points.

Not a bad thing if it works.

>>53490159
It basically is a random Small blast or large blast weapon.
That can kill 1 to 3 times the same model.

I didn't think it was possible to make the battle cannon worst.

New Games-Workshop still can't into basic math.

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>>53490096

>>53490096
Sure, from foot to the top of the model
Warriors are just shy of 5.5cm
Termagants are 2.5
Zoanthropes are 8
Tyrnnocytes are probably the biggest at 22cm
hive guard are also 5.5
Carnifex is 7cm
Tervigon is 11
Dimacharadon is 16

That should be most of them

>>53490105
is that tervigon spawning a once/game thing? Because if thats the case they damn well better have dropped the price of them significantly.

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>>53490113
I can't wait to be able to move and (reliably) fire with Noise Marines.

The salvo rule is gone, THINGS SHALL GET LOUD further than before!

>>53490172
Narthecium providing regeneration will be topkek tier

Regenerating terminators here I come!

>>53490175
It feels like the old "make your own Xeno or tank" rules.

It was basically a D&D point buy system. You can put into a formula, but is not that.

>>53490172
So are Tau buffed, nerfed or nothing really changed?

>>53490197
5-20 models. 16 points each.

Poxwalker cost 6 each.

>>53490082
>that don't add up to 5.
was it autism?

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>>53490197
YES SCREAM TO BE HEARD, BROTHER!

>>53490212
They are with the NPC factions so we don't care.

>>53490218
Wanting your points to add up neatly to 1500 or 1495 is not "autism" unfortunately.

>>53490217
Because Noise Marines have to buy the Sonic Weapons separately.

Noise Marines comes equipped like a normal CSM, and can be set up for melee.

>>53490187
>>53490186
Thank you mate
>Warriors are just shy of 5.5cm
Still bigger than sigmarines so painting them should be easy
>Termagants are 2.5
Taller than skaven clanrats so I'm okay with this.
Fuck, it will be hard to choose an army for this edition

>starting hobby again with 8th now that there's a chance Tyranids might be updated into being not complete shit

>decide to go Tyranids with GSC allies
>will probably eventually get Guard with my allies for extra long ranged dakka

>mfw thinking about the 300+ MINIMUM troops I'll need to build and paint between Tyranids, GSC, and Guard

Should I just kill myself now?

>>53490228
>we don't care
Show me on the doll where the riptide has touched you

>>53490262
Oh look, I can't believe it's the same eternally triggered shitposter again.

It's like the Tau version of DAfag.

>>53490258
>Should I just kill myself now?
W8 4 8 M8 then kill youself

>>53490262
Oh a quest giver?!

>>53490212
SSS+++ extra good. Get ready for yet another 3 years of being cucked by Big Blue Dicks. Sky is falling, armageddon is here! PANIC! PANIC!
Wait for the point costs, retard.

>>53490172

>Basic Gauss is equivalent to old AP3

That seems a dumb way to handle it.

>Reanimation requires you to track original unit size of every non vehicle unit

This seems bookkeepingy and liable to slow the game.

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Fucking well leak the ork stuff already!

>>53490252
Bear in mind that Warriors and Hive Guard stand upright while Gants are on all fours

>>53490288
>>Reanimation requires you to track original unit size of every non vehicle unit
>This seems bookkeepingy and liable to slow the game.
Well, it should be on your army list, so as long as your units can be distinguished from one another it's not going to be too tough. Alternatively, put casualties into groups and count them to see how many dice to roll.

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>>53490284
Man, I'm brand new here. Just asked because I thought that these infos are actually somehow revealing. No need to be rude

>>53490258
>intentionally choose three factions known for their hordes of low cost models
>intentionally choose the cheapest units from those factions
I honestly don't know what you were expecting or how we can have any sympathy.

>>53490288
>Reanimation requires you to track original unit size of every non vehicle unit
while you are right, who the fuck runs necron units in multiples that aren't 5?

>>53490172

>Basic Gauss is 24" Rapid Fire **Ap-2**
I'm assuming the -2 is on a 6 to-wound roll.

Reanimation protocol seems pretty powerful, although it's still much better than it is now.

I'm assuming people got a chance to play 8e at WarhammerFest.

Do we have any reliable reports of how it is?

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>>53490258
>play nids
Yeah just do it. Better to die by your own hand before Khorne gets you.

>>53490273
It's obvious that the anti-Tau shitposters are way more triggered than the Tau shitposters and I don't even like the blueberries.

>>53490288
it should be on your fucking list.

Why is everyone excited about the points costs when they didnt drop the armoury at the same time? This doesnt tell us anything yet.

>>53490339
>muh anti tau
Stop falseflagging.

>>53490335
Primaris kept losing to nurgle.

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>>53490105
>tfw I just spent 8 hours painting up my tervigon
They better have a hefty price drop to go with this, this shit isn't worth 195 points

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>>53490291
I hope flash gitz won't be shit. I want to actually use them in a game for once.

>>53490082
As was said in the last thread, it allows for better balance.
If something is a hair better, would you want it 5pts more, or the same as the lesser?
Either way, one of them is never gonna get used.

>>53490318
>>intentionally choose the cheapest units from those factions

>implying I won't have atleast 100+ required troops just filling out minimum slots of 1000 point armies for each faction

>>53490315
>>53490319

Still means you need to count the remaining models in the unit, look up or recall the original number and do a subtraction with every wounded unit in your army, then roll. All minor, but all adds up.

In a big game your "reanimation phase" could be nearly as long as an extra shooting phase.

>>53490291
Ork Battlewagon M12" W16 T7 Save 4+, can get T8 but loses Open-topped. Deff Rolla hits on a 2+, 6 attacks S8 Ap-2.

DakkaDakka leak.

>>53490349
Awww... did the wittle blue man hurt you? It's ok, Uncle Cawl can make you all the same toys he has so you can be cool too.

>>53490325
Apparently not. It's always -2

>>53490350
The game they're playing is unbalanced though.

Fairly sure the demo game is with the 2 Tacs and Captain, vs all the Plague Marines, Cultists and the Termie lord

Are all chaos champions apart from sorcerers free upgrades now? Just in case you needed more motivation to run MSU.

>>53490345

>It should be on your fucking list

Is this faceless warrior blob 2 or 3?

>>53490367
but anon didn't you know the game is streamlined?

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>>53490344
>being this triggered because someone asked about something
You could just said that you have no idea how Tau work so you can't help me. Sorry about destroying your safe space

>>53490170
>>53490194
Depending on points cost they might be alright.

S7 T8 W14 vehicle-crunching MC who will most likely be a psyker buffmachine.

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>>53490373
Well, at least you have the decency to admit that you were falseflagging.

It's ok though, you'll always be the most hated faction in the game, even moreso than Ultramarines, Primarines, Grey Knights, Orks, Tyranids, Eldar etc. No one likes you and you fit horrible into the setting. In other words, a perfect mirror of their players.

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>>53490371
Holy shit, they made deff rollas even better than the 4th edition ones. Shame the BW itself seems significantly weaker.

>>53490394
We know.

>>53490350
I'm not too fussed about starter kit balance (Dark Vengeance was about 100 pts extra to marines, iirc).

I was meaning is it fun.

>>53490172
>Monolith M6" W20 S8 T8 Save3+, Gauss Flux Arc Heavy 3 S5 Ap-2, Whip Heavy 6 S8 Ap-2 DmgD6. When it gets charged, roll on a D6 and if 4+ (or worse, depending on wounds lost) charging unit gets D6 mortal wounds.

Is this enough to make Monoliths good again?

I always loved Monoliths. They're gigantic and their teleporting powers are neato.

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Rubrics are 18 points base now, hoping the bolters aren't that expensive. Land Raider same cost though it's better. Scarab Occult same issue as Rubrics, points will determine.

But AHRIMAN IS 100 POINTS CHEAPER HOLY SHITBALLS. Exalted Sorcerers cheaper than regular ones! Magnus got a 235 point pricecut!

Tervigon M8" W14 S7 T8 Save3+, can either create a 10 Fleshbane Termagaunt unit (you need to keep the points for them) OR re-add 10 Fleshbane Termagaunt models to an existing unit IF the lost models has Fleshbane already.

Ork Battlewagon M12" W16 T7 Save 4+, can get T8 but loses Open-topped. Deff Rolla hits on a 2+, 6 attacks S8 Ap-2.


What is fleshbane?

Traslating from the Italian Forum that is leaking.


C'tan 220/230 points

M8 WS2+ BS2+ S8 T8 W8 4++

melee AP-4 d6 damage nightbringer, the same but 3 damage the deceiver.

Deceiver can redeploy itself and 1d3 units everywhere at almost 12" from the enemy but can't charge.

Nighbringer has a shooting attack 12" assault d6 S8 AP -4 d3 damage

They know a c'tan power listed at the beginning.

Apparently they are characters so holy shit they can't be targeted.

>>53490412
>What is fleshbane?
Probably meant fleshborer. Seems kind of shit that you can't even choose the weapons.

>>53490409
Nerfs are going to asspound Magnus harder than the Wolves asspounded Prospero.

>>53490412
fleshborers, I imagine

being able to immediately beef up a squad could be gud, depending on the other buffs it can sling around

>>53490408
I like the way they're making it beneficial to bring more of the same group.
You can take different Chaos or legion units, but it takes more spaces in your land raider.

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>>53490448
We know.

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>>53490443
no, it's just saying obliterators/mutilators are very bulky in a roundabout way

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>>53490412
Well, so it's the best time to ask at LGSs if they still have any box of pic related

>>53490417
>Apparently they are characters so holy shit they can't be targeted.
Assuming most sniper rifles are now S 4 D 1, they will be difficult as fuck to kill unless there are some psychic powers which let you target characters or something.

Seems like big (but not too big) characters are really tough now.

Hope to hell that cognis lascannon are sniper weapons.

>>53490394
Slowpoke.jpeg

Is there leak for Plasma Cannon yet ? Do they have the regular/overcharge thingy ? I'm considering making a whole squad full of them if they do.

>>53490409
This appears to be there cost without weapons so dont get too excited.

Possible leaks of CSM wargear costs or other Thousand Sons stuff? I'm starving for details holy shit.

>>53490113
THIS SILENCE OFFENDS SLAANESH

>>53490477
Only the primaris marines get the plasma incinerator.

>>53490459


But why would you use a Tervigon if it's shit?

I still have hope for Trygons and Carnifexes though

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Eldar battle focus is that they don't have the -1 to hit when shooting after advancing.

Power from pain is now dependant on turn

turn 1: 6+ fnp
2: +1 to hit
3: reroll run and charge
4: ignore battleshock
5: -1 to enemy leadership.

>>53490481
Yeah I know, I'm wary. I have a fun 2K TS list from 7th, just hoping at the very least shit doesn't get more expensive as I wouldn't have the points. TS lists are really tight to build due to expensive units and next to zero wargear you can use to tweak points. You'd have to straight-up get rid of a unit.

Is jink still considered a cover save in 8th do we know?

Also where the Deldar leaks at

>>53490454
wait, we can pick powers again, Yay!

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So the points cost difference between a regular Terminator and an Occult Terminator is 2 points. 31 vs 33.

Based on the special rules that Rubric Marines get, I think it's safe to bet that the Occult Terminators will get, if not the same rules, something similar.

This would give them :
1+ saves vs D1 weapons
5+ invulnerable saves
and assumedly, some kind of Inferno Weapon, which is AP -2

So assuming they get all that... does that really seem like it's only worth 2 points more?

>>53490457
Ah, dang, you're right.
It says cult of destruction, I apparently skimmed it and assumed it was Chaos or other legion tagged.

>>53490509
"Abbadon has always been a bit of a disappointment to me. I have tried to play him in countless armies, but he often just ended up poking himself in the eye with Drach’nyen and not accomplishing a whole lot. Well how about we change that around and allow Abbadon to kick some serious Imperial tail?"

Sounds to me like he still fucking kills himself.

>>53490519
>Assumptions: The Post
Got anymore information coming out of your ass boss?

>>53490383
>I can't remember which squad is which
gtfo.

>>53490172
>Grav is S5 Ap-3 and does DmgD3 if Save is 3+ or better
That's a nerf, right? Makes them kind of laughable vs Wraithguard.

>>53490408
Sweet Hovering Hellchickens!

Anyone know if only #fly models can charge fliers?

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>>53490454
>Dark Hereticus

>>53490535
they said it was an assumption in their post, but you know, good job perpetuating stereotypes

>>53490498
>morale matters again!
>everyone has blanket immunity to it though.
Granted you have 3 turns to spook those fragile elfs away but still, what's the fucking point?

>>53490477
Current indications are that all plasma works on the standard/overcharge model now. Probably worth waiting a bit until we know for sure though,

Adeptus Mechanicus:
Forge Worlds keywords, Cawl has Mars keyword and buffs Mars FW units.
Adeptus Mechanicus keyword is shared, Cult Mechanicus kw and Skitarii kw are present to differentiate. Bonuses target AM keyword
Canticles are chosen at the start of each Battle Round and last that much, cannot be chosen twice. Among the effects they allow for rerolling 1s to same FW kw units within 6".

Is it known how FLY works in 8th?

>>53490488
That's cool, considering making a Devastator Squad of 4 PC right now. They would wreck so much infantry shit.

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>>53490498
I thought the dark eldar faction focus said power from pain was now just a name for a FNP-like ability?

>>53490532
>halved damage
>re-rolls
>fearless
>excessive movement
>better point value
Nah mate.

>>53490566
Yes. You can mover over models and terrain, and if you retreat from combat you can still shoot.

>>53490498
>That T3/T4 bonus
Meh - we're a mainly MSU army, only someone running a largely Wych cult army will benefit from this

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>>53490535
>assuming they get all that
>THOSE ARE ALL ASSUMPTIONS LOL I BEAT YOU BRB TELLING MOM ABOUT HOW I WON AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET WHILE SHE CRIES AND I DONT KNOW WHY

>>53490185
But it can potentially do 18 damage! Clearly this makes it a beast!

But seriously, it looks like you either bring several or none at all. I really wish it did d6+2 or something against groups to at least make it a bit reliable.

>>53490288
>>53490367
This is how you do it, because apparently you weren't around before 7th ed.
>as models die you place them on their side
>at the start of your turn you roll a d6 for each model down
>on a 5+ they get back up

I guess he can only do 5 wounds to himself in 5 turns...

>>53490574
It was the stream, and they said that PfP gives a 6+ fnp. Which it does if the source is right, it just gives addictional bonuses the other turns.

>>53490379
Both have 4 units:
Termielord, Plague Marines, Bloat Drone and poxwalkers
vs
Captain, Tacticals, Jump Marines and Plasmamarines.

Both lists have their ups and downs. Plasmamarines are very good thou and is good counter against 3 out of 4 units in nurgles arsenal.

>>53490519
They've already been shown to underprice units which have expensive weapons.
Wait until you know what a hellfire boltgun and power sword cost.

>>53490519
ANY one can take the warp flamer, ten of the guys hop out of a rihno or somethin within 8" and get 9d6 str4 ap-2 hits without rolling to hit.

>>53490573
meant for >>53490563

>>53490566
No downside to falling back, can move over enemy models. That seems to be it. From the looks of things, you can fucking assault planes with ground-pounders.

>>53490150
never ever

>>53490600
From the looks of things they'll be getting those as standard. Rubric Marines don't have to pay for their special stuff.

>>53490532
1/6 chance to lose 1 wound. Any other result gives him 2-6 extra attacks. That's up to 12 s5 ap-3 Dd3 attacks or as you can now divide your attacks on several weapons 5 s8 ap-3 Dd3 and up to 7 s5 ap-3 Dd3 attacks.

>>53490412
>Tervigon M8" W14 S7 T8 Save3+, can either create a 10 Fleshbane Termagaunt unit (you need to keep the points for them) OR re-add 10 Fleshbane Termagaunt models to an existing unit IF the lost models has Fleshbane already.
wait, is it 10 models once per game or 10 models every turn?

>>53490575
Is it round up or down?

>>53490519
As much as I dearly wish for them to be cheaper, I suspect Inferno weapons will be like 5 points minimum. Boltguns would knock Rubrics back up to 23 ppm and Inferno Combi-bolters would be like 7 each, making them 40 again.

>>53490611
You have to basis to say that. We don't have Chaos weapon costs.

>>53490611
>Rubric Marines don't have to pay for their special stuff.
And you know this how?

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>>53490535

>>53490587
No it can't even do 18 damage.

It can do potentionally 18 damage to a single big model like a knight. But anything else the those d6 shots and d3 don't spill over.

If you shoot some grots you can only kill 6. No matter how many 3s you roll.

It seems that single model units are getting fucked up hard.

>>53490576


So it's the end of the flying hive tyrant. When other units got better I'm content with this

>>53490519
Presumably scarab occult get -1" move.

>>53490625
Go back to Sweden.

>>53490618
Ummm, uhhh, just so I can say I'm right, down.

>>53490615
It's apparently each turn. Which is very good, but nerfed by the fact that you need to pay points for new units.

>>53490564
Hey Ad Mech is one faction now. Nice.

>>53490288
>24W on models now.
Talk about dumb and bookeepy.

>>53490636
We don't really know, flyers are going to have individual rules which include the -x to being hit. But the leaked heldrake desn't have it, so who knows.

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>unit stats on one page
>unit upgrades/wargear on another page
>point costs in a huge mess on another page
>still need to get some universal rules from the rulebook

So much for reducing page flipping and keeping rules in the same place. It's going about as well their streamlining the game by reducing (read: increasing) dice rolls everywhere.

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>>53490623
Here?

>>53490629
I know it won't spill over, that's why I said 18 damage and not 18 wounds.

>>53490417

What about the tranny C'tanny?

>>53490644

I guess it works like summoning daemons now. I'm not sure if it will see use, as it seems to be a better idea to run termagants with trygons

>>53490663
I believe the idea was for them to have a digital warscroll/army builder up and ready for 8th but they cocked it up.

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>>53490663
this

its going to be a clusterfuck

>>53490644
I don't see the problem, I'll just consider those models as if they were embarked, while keeping units to restore constantly (for which I don't have to pay points as far as I understand)

>>53490663
Well you only need the point costs pre-game and the actual rules are like 12 pages? So you need the datasheets + rulebook in game. Unless you are a summoning asshole that haven't made any pre emptive choices in advance.

>>53490611
Rubric marines don't have to pay Power for their special stuff.
The only points we've seen were on the Primaris marines list, and all equipment (even mandatory equipment) was priced individually. which is retarded

Expect the doublebolter to be pricey as fuck.

>>53490669
Weapons arent free anymore mate you still have to pay for that gun.

I NEED MORE INFO ON THE ADEPTUS MECHANICUS

WHO ARE THEY
WHY DO THEY WEAR THE MASKS?

I've made investments into them, I better not have fucked myself here

>>53490606
Just waiting for Skies of Death II.
>$ha $hing

>>53490669
Is this shit going to be the blitz brigade / thunderwolf cavalry thunder hammer shit for the early 8th edition?

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How do you think us templars will fare in 8th, being allowed to charge from rhinos and all?

>>53490679
>>53490669

Read this you idiot.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/12/new-warhammer-40000-points-power-levels-may12gw-homepage-post-4/

any niceguys anons have a link to the Italian restaurant where I can a-reada-da-rules ?

>>53490672
Damn it! The hits, damage and wounds, are going to get confusing the first few games

They've really played down the religious zealot aspect of the imperium for a while now.

>>53490638
Fuck you Norway.

>>53490702
Having both wound and damage being a thing is a rather poor choice on gw's part, though I'm not sure what a better choice would be.

>>53490685
>why do they wear the masks
Because forgeworlds are shitholes Beijing 10000%?

>>53490509
Will mortal wounds bypass the Dark Destiny rule?

So assuming that the great rift broke through the main leviathan's fleet, cutting the main splinters off synapse, does it mean that the rest is now directly pouring into the warp?

>>53490691
Who?

>>53490691
Unsure as of yet, but Primaris Black Templars will wreck the fuck out of stuff assuming they get a dedicated melee troops choice.

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>>53490698
Not sure why I was linked in there but okay.

Read this you idiot.

>>53490736
Mortal wounds ignore all saves. Only rules that say "on a 5+ the wound is ignore" negate it.

Is there something about the Space Wolves?
I'm worried that they'll turn some of our units in the generic SM equivalent, losing their original stuff

>>53490765
I think he meant the "halves all damage" part.

>>53490691
>literally who

>>53490763
>For this level of granularity, you have points. These will be just as detailed as they are now, right down to points for individual weapon upgrades on every squad member. For example, a Tactical Marine Squad of five models is Power Level 5, but in a matched play game, each of those Tactical Marines would cost 13 points each, with upgrades ranging from a grav-pistol for the Sergeant at 7 pts, all the way up to multi-meltas at 27 pts. The full squad totals up at a similar number of points to what it costs today.

And FFS read the image you just posted.
>Points per level (Does not include weapons)

>>53490777
What a waste of trips, no one gives a fuck about furries.

>>53490736
>>53490765
>And then we discover he gets +1 Str & Attk on charge, +1 invuln, 5+ FnP & Always attack first

looking at how many weapons do multiple wounds while anti horde weapons like blasts got nerfed hard in horde killing i have no idea why you wouldn't just wield shit tons of 1 wound models.

>>53490787
>That's whaaaat I've been saying.
>>53490679

You a dumb?

>>53490794
I don't see how that would happen unless keywords can bestow buffs now.

>>53490777
>losing their original stuff
You may not see it now but it's the best thing for them.

>>53490794
If marks works like in AoS keyword alone don't give any bonuses, but allow you to qualify for stratagems and for things like "all khorne units get +1 to hit"

>>53490799
This is exactly what I'm thinking, too. All high-D weapons are effectively negated by large squads of 1 wound models, and there doesn't appear to be a great many consistently good anti-horde weapons so far.

>>53490777
Unlike all the other snowflake SM chapters, Space Wolves would actually benefit if they lost a few snowflake units, like... ahem, the Wulfen.

>>53490790
Go suck some more dicks, Azrael

>>53490813
They're going to keep the Wulfen or the TWC, I'm talking about tacticals that can take chainswords, sergeants that can take terminator armors, having less ranged options but being able to take storm shields or thunder hammers on power armor units

>>53490823
and TWC

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>Battlewagons are T7 with a 4+ save
>Trukks are T5 with 6+

>>53490813
But anon don't you like the wolf guard riding wolves with their wolf bolters?

>>53490763
So the box sets is 877 points of primaris marines?

>>53490836
sigh... maybe next time fellow ork players...

>>53490847
940ish

>>53490829
>being this butthurt about being the least liked SM chapter
You know what? My dad works at GW and he says SW are getting squatted. Sorry!

>>53490808
>>That's whaaaat I've been saying.
That Rubrics need to pay for there Inferno bolter?

>>53490836
on the bright side a horde of boys looks like its better

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>>53490836
I'm considering making an Ork army for 8e since their vehicles is fuking cool. Next edition I guess.

>>53490852
They sure sell quite a lot kits for being the least liked

>>53490371
Why would you want open topped when everything is an assault vehicle now?

>>53490822
Well at first I thought that the morale phase should keep hordes in check as those 4 dead dudes could very well transform into 4 more dead dudes at the end of turn but now that I've seen that everyone and their mothers can get immunity or ld50+ this just might be the horde edition.

>>53490849
There are day I wonder if GW is the kid that always play with cheats in video games.

Challenges are too hard for him that is why GW makes their non favorite armies so shit.

>>53490867
[citation needed]
Show me those sweet sweet sales figures bby

>>53490105
>Tervigon
>M 8" / WS 4+ / BS 4+ / S 7 / T 8 / W 14 / S 3+
>Creates a unit of 10 barebone termagants or can add up to 10 dead barebone termagants to an unit (not over the unit size at the start of the game)

Now hold up just a minute guys
If this statline comes with a price drop (40~ points) to make up for the decreased production of termagaunts here's what I'm thinking:

Tervigon warlord (If thats even a thing in 8th)
think about it, this thing is without a doubt going to be one of the if not the toughest HQ for the price with its new T8.

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Do all chaos marines have a compulsory <legion> keyword now? Wonder how that works with guys like the red corsairs who aren't part of any legion?

In fact, is there any indication if those subfaction keywords have to be chosen from a list or if you can make up your own?

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>>53490836
>Orks are more durable in 8th!
>Two 6+ saves

>>53490855
That Rubics will need to pay points (not power) for their mandatory boltguns, yes.

>>53490879
You have to pay for the Termgaunts now so its basically a points sink if it gets killed off before you bring them in.

>>53490864
Muh fearless!!

You're still S3, no signs of twin-linked, and AP 0

>>53490868
Because they can shoot their weapons (and their pistols in combat) if they are open topped

Not saying that it's a worthy trade-off for Orks, but that's what you lose

>>53490868
>LootaSpam

>>53490907
>BS5+

>>53490900
You pay for termagants if they are a new unit, they can reinforce an existing unit at no cost.

>Flash Gitz can now take power swords
Fix'd?

>>53490911
See>>53490914

>>53490907
Why would anyone want to keep their orks INSIDE a transport anymore? They're even bigger death traps than they used to be.

>>53490172
>Monolith M6" W20 S8 T8 Save3+, Gauss Flux Arc Heavy 3 S5 Ap-2, Whip Heavy 6 S8 Ap-2 DmgD6. When it gets charged, roll on a D6 and if 4+ (or worse, depending on wounds lost) charging unit gets D6 mortal wounds.
This is tasty. If what I've heard is correct and firing arcs are no longer a thing this will be nasty if it can fire without the old ordnance BS.

>>53490885
>not taking KFFs

>>53490917
Up to its initial amount. So you can heal units yes but there no making more if you dont pay for them.

>>53490876
The Grey Hunters kit was a mainstay of the best sellers category until it became just triumvirates and boxed games, but why should I argue with someone that obviously started playing just yesterday and needs a way to fit in the general?

>>53490944
>Giving your opponent a save

>>53490876
We don't have those since WHF 6th.

We can only guess how well things sell. Usually by "out of stock" this means very little since SoB exist.

Either GW kept a bunch of old metal model and are doing a Nintendo or they are making metal models for SoB only.

Either explanation is fucking strange

>>53490928
>s1 ap2 instant death

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Thoughts, /tg/?

>>53490082
13 point marine/sergeant
27 point multimelta/7 point grav pistol
Adds up neatly.

>>53490947
>but there no making more if you dont pay for them.
which is why I assume it's gonna tae a price drop, which combined with its new sorely needed T8 would make it an alternative to the hive tyrant in smaller games. Healing a blob of termagaunts isn't bad and it being harder to kill with a (hopefully) lower cost should make it a good choice.

Will death guard rules be in these upcoming 25 buck compendiums or will we have to wait?

>>53490836
Take da 'Naught!

>>53490955
That's not a source, bby. But it's ok, keep jacking off to furry porn. Maybe your little dogmen will become less hated one day!

>>53490914
>>53490925
Didn't stop them being decent cheap bulletspam in the last few editions.
8th Cover save on a T-shirt? I'd rather use a battlewagon.

>>53490973
Thoughts are nothing changes at all for Orks in 8th, Eldar will be top tier with how much access to Mortal Wounds they have, and Tau will continue to look like the faggots they are.

>>53490417
>Deceiver can redeploy itself and 1d3 units everywhere at almost 12" from the enemy but can't charge.

This shit right here is why I love Necrons.

Teleporting around the fucking battlefield is awesome. A Deceiver... A monolith... A lord with Veil of Darkness... teleport shit away from the Genestealers baring down on you and right into rapid fire range of the enemy's big bugs (or equivalent)

I'm buying a Tyranid army AND a Necron army for 8th. My poor poor wallet.

>>53490914
That's why I said that it's not a worthy trade-off
But the Battlewagon has been able until now to be open-topped or not, so they needed to make give them different rules in 8th.
Also, thinking back about it, filling it with flamers could be an interesting option

>>53490928
They are more dangerous death traps to a degree. Now one ork out of 6 will die with the vehicle, but if they were able to make it explode in 7th it basically meant that half the unit would die

>>53490991
>Eldar will be top tier with how much access to Mortal Wounds they have

I missed something?

>>53490879
Or you could take a character with less than ten wounds but tough enough to be unkillable with most sniper weapons.

I mean, if you were playing marines or tau you could.

>>53490989
>Didn't stop them being decent cheap bulletspam in the last few editions

Clearly we've played two different games.

>>53490973
I'm kinda sad Stealthsuits get just that. I run a lot of them and I wanted them to be a wee bit better, but let's wait and see the datasheets I guess.

Who test Obli? How they now? And LR

>>53490995
Yeah, but now characters inside it have a 1/6 chance to die too. Ghazgkull can die on a single dice roll. Everything is instakilled by car crashes.

>>53490973
I think it's not in the form of a datasheet, and as such is fucking nothing.

>>53491002
>I missed something?
no, he's just butthurt shitposting

>>53490979
The compendiums are for old stuff. Any new units will be in the codex.

>>53490885
Still a faggot

>>53491002
>Distort weapons

What else could they be?

>>53491017
Spurdo spemge kurva

>>53491022
>ers inside it have a 1/6 chance to die too. Ghazgkull can die on a single dice roll. Everything is instakilled by

You roll your pile of deice, then YOU get to choose where to put the instant death. Once for everything embarked, not separately for each unit inside.

>>53491040
S20 D3+d3?

>>53491042
what?

>>53490995
Filling it with flamers means you have to get your battlewagon within 8", not impossible, but given how fast everything is going to be now, probably difficult.

>>53491040
>What else could they be?
just look at the reaper chainsword

Leaks are restarted

Wraithknight
3+ S8 T8 W24 3+

Wraithcannon assault 2 S10 Ap -4 d6 damage
Wraithsword S x2 AP -4 6 damage

Wraithscythes are 8" assault d3 S10 AP -4

>>53491040
this? >>53491058

>>53491058
Rip wraithwing.

>>53490836
Are orks known for their durable vehicles? They're held together by duct tape and faith. They SHOULD be flimsy.

>O-Orks are really good in the new edition guys!
>They get 6+ saves and erm...erm... a 6+fnp!
>Oh and to be fearless you punch yourself in the head still, wasn't that lolrandum and great

>>53491058
From D back down to S10?
No mortal wounds?

Pics or GTFO

>>53491022
No, you choose who dies. Your top-tier character is only going to bite it if literally everyone in the vehicle rolls a 1.

Which opens up the possibility of putting in an 'insurance' unit to take the casualties if your battlewagon or whatever gets exploded. 10 boyz and 10 burna boyz, for example.

>>53491082
cry some more faggot. We already know that S:D weapons on the knight became 6 Damage with high strenght.

>>53491058
Hahahahahhaha get fucked WAACfags

>>53491053
We don't want you then either.
The good thing about the lean years is that it weeded out the garbage.

>>53491081
No. Mob Rule doesn't require any self punching.

>>53491077
You mean those vehicles that have been constructed by piling the toughest alien metals / organic materials one on top of the other, or the vehicle that are literally looted? Yes they are.

>>53491109
Piling stuff dont guarantee durability, you have to secure the bits in place properly.

Goddamn there are some whiny faggots in here

>>53491103
If the only good thing about your army is that it doesn't have to take wounds for a while as you lose piles of units per round whilst other armies just get flat out fearless isn't exactly "great".

But Ork fags have been abused so long they'd take a 2 wound grot as the coming of the messiah.

>>53491109
Believe it or not just piling battlefield debris together and bolting everything in place doesn't lend itself to structural integrity.

>>53491058
Blood Angels

Black rage is fnp 6+ and +1 attack if charging.

Lemartes allows reroll on hit and charging for death company within 6".

Sanguinary guards reroll hit if within 6" from a BA General

Death mask is -1 Ld within 3". Encarmine weapons are like power weapons but 1d3 damage.

Sanguinor gives each BA units within 6" an extra attack, can charge after retreating.

Dante is W6 aqnd gives reroll to hit at BA within 6", the axe is S+2 Ap -3 d3 damage.

>>53490885
Kys

>>53491013
maybe it's just one thing. better than nothing i guess

>>53491022
>Everything is instakilled by car crashes.

That's kind of awesome though

Sad to hear Trukkz seem shitty. t5 SOUNDS good by current 40k standards, but then i remember every weapon in 8th is like -1 rend and does at least d3 wounds.

Trukkz are gonna get one-shot just the same, and with everything getting split fire all it takes is a lascannon or two

>>53491155
One sec, my leadership isn't low enough yet.

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>>53491150
>>53491058

Where you getting this shit fampai?

>>53491155
>ork players are this mad
I'm loving every laugh.

>>53491175
He claims it's from some italian 40k forum

>>53491103
But battleshock does.

Yes I know it represent models falling back or moving wounded friends, but the rules look like the "Mob rule"

Any news on Forgeworld indexes yet? Prices?

>>53491175
DakkaDakka or an italian forum from a store there.

>>53491175
I'm translating from someone that is leaking in the italian forum.

>>53491191

Link to the forum? I'm Italian.

>>53491195
forumgwtilea, you need an account.

>>53491191
Leaking in a public forum? Couldn't he hold it in?

>>53491191
Anything on the Admech? Have they gutted Canticles and Doctrinas or are they much the same? What happened to Radium Weapons and Haywire?

>>53491177
>samefag in every thread trying and failing to be funny

So sad

>>53490560
You have to be within 12" of the Harmless one. You have to die for him being the closest thing.
He's more points than a fucking Landraider which is more useful.

He's Armless the Fucking Harmless. They had to give him something to make him worth taking.

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>>53491235
>BUT GUYS I HAVE A 6+ FNP NOW

>>53491235
>mucking 'bout sum git in da waaghnet

So what's the deal with 7+ SV on the Poxwalkers?

Are they supposed to not be able to save unless they get that +1 to rolls if they have more than 10 units in a squad, or are they meant to abuse cover for extra saves?

>>53491275
Yes

>>53490068
my orks are gonna be unstoppable!

just you wait ya gits

>>53491150
>Can charge after falling back
I knew someone would get this rule, I just thought it would be elfs.

>>53491275
I think thats the "no armor save" now so they all can get 6+ in cover.

>>53490606
Are we 100% on the no downside to falling back and sure it's not just a tau flyer thing? After all we got that from the Tau Preview. Where they pointed out that if you surround an enemy and they have no room to get out they can't fall back. Which makes models with fly (by being able to move over enemy models) already pretty damned powerful.

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>>53491290
yes

HOW MUCH TIL NEWS?

>>53491257
At least it's a new pic

>>53491330
>unit falling back cant charge or shoot
lel

>>53491340
Usually within 5-10 minutes, but right now we are receiving real leaks from the game

>>53491330


So.. Gargoyles might be worth taking now?

Why did the Lamenters not heed the call of BA to defend Baal?

>>53490836
Huh? Where did you get that t5 6+ info from Bro?

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>>53491340
One hour. Do we know what it's going to be?

>>53491367
Nothing of value.

>>53491367
Admech pls

>>53491353


We can't be sure if the Italian is talking out if his ass though

>>53491362
They all got eaten by Hive Fleet Kraken(?)

Also there's one Lamenter Dreadnought in the Deathwatch would all of the BA and their Successors have to come back?

>>53491363
His ass

>>53491367
Talons pls

>>53491362
They are all dead, Iacomus.

>>53491359
I hope so, I just started assembling my nids SC box

>>53491150
Dreadknight

M8" S6 T6 W12

Heavy Psycannon 24" S7 -1 2 damage
Psylencer Heavy 6 S4 1d3 damage.
Space Wolves

Thunderwolf is no longer an upgrade, but a different warscroll

thunderwolf cavalry is

M10" S4 T5 W3 3+

characters have 7 wounds on average.

frost shooting weapons do mortal wounds on a 6 against a multiwound model that they wounded but not killed.

>>53491340
now

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-necrons/

>>53491390
Thats what I thought

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>>53491367
If it was Dark Eldar, i would be sooo happy

>>53491382
This news >>53491399 and the one about BA came out before the Dakkadakka one, so it's either the same guy baiting two threads or two different guy that have a Tilea account

>>53491416

They've already done the Dark Eldar faction focus.

>>53491399
Banshee

M8" A2 Sv 4+

Mask make them attack always first in melee
+3" to charge or advance
-1 to hit them in melee if with exarch

Executioner blase is S+2 Ap-3 d3 damage but with a -1 to hit.

>>53491392
Do talons have more than two units? (Not counting rhinos and LR)

>>53491399
>characters have 7 wounds on average.
Do you mean the one on thunderwolves, that have gained the additional wound, or by themselves the SW characters have more wounds than the normal ones?

>>53491416
we already got that, yes they gave you a fancy new name. Get over it.

>>53491425
I know, i just want info about them

>>53491430
weow

banshees might be worth it now

>>53491406
At least change the date.

>>53491406
>wrong date
Sloppy

>>53491435
the one on thunderwolves.

>>53491406

Nice try, the faction focus isn't till about 4-5, though we are due one today in addition to the normal leak.

>>53491431
They are listed as a standalone faction. Well they can also use contemptor
I'm hoping we get fw models rules.

>>53491444
>>53491451
>>53491459

Your feeding him? Why? Starve it out. Don't give it (you) give it silence.

>>53491459
How many bongs is that?

>>53491457
Wow that sounds cool.
Can't wait to start my Wolves now.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/29/new-warhammer-40000-the-ultima-founding-may29gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53491459
It's a bank holiday tho

>>53491430
AND THEY SHALL KNOW NO FEAR

Is just a morale reroll.

>>53491469
Because it was funny and I'd like to see him improve.

>>53491474
1-2 bongs.

>>53491483
Only in the US, not in the Motherland of 40k

>>53491430
warp talons and berzerkers pls

>>53491385
>>53491393

Thanks, for some reason I missed that. What is the current status of the several hive fleets then?

>>53491468
Does GW knows they own FW?

Make it 3 units then. For fuck sake they have less units than assassins and are their own faction.
Oh my fucking god they have less units than Inquisition

Please tell me I'm missing something.

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>>53491482

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>>53491482
You know how this will end

>>53491482
>It's LITERALLY nothing

Fuck off with New-Marine lore GW, we've had enough of that already.

>>53491496
It's a bank holiday here too
t. Londoner

>>53491496
Fuck you on about son, I'm not at work because its a Bank Holiday.

>>53491474

Well the villiage clock tower doesn't do the fun string of little musical bongs before ringing the hour, so 4 or 5.

If it was one of the bigger towers that does play villiage up in town then I guess 16+4 or 5 so an average of 20.5 bongs.

>>53491496
https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays#england-and-wales