/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>53484143
No, the very thought of connecting World of Darkness and Exalted disgusts me.

>>53484143

Exalted is so OP that not even Mage can really compete.

>>53484317
Seconding the not this again. We spent a couple threads arguing this to a standstill; either one could win depending on what sort of assumptions you make about how the settings mash.

>>53484383
lol

Archmasters can copy 2e Exalted using seven dots and improve on it.
Though to be fair, only super-mages can fuck over Exalted entirely.

>>53484419

Archmasters can't leave the Umbra, so that's a little moot.

The greatest downfall of the Mages is that once you git gud scrub you end up in your own Horizon Realm doing whatever the fuck you want but can't be near sleepers.

>>53484461
I was referring to Awakening, not Ascension.

How might one do an Undertale-like Chronicle in CoD?

Undertale is partially based on the monsters not being really evil for the most part, but the monsters in CoD are often evil by necessity or opportunity. I'm not sure what the power of Determination would be in CoD either.

Besides the conveying the themes of Undertale, how would one adapt the setting? An all-out war between humans and supernaturals is probably too much. Would something smaller in scope work?

Alternatively, you could just borrow the themes without using the Underground. The players could be a special Cell of Hunters that are not interested in killing the monsters, but learning about them and helping create a world where they can coexist with humans (if the players want to go Pacifist, that is). Possibly a Network Zero + liberal Union focused Chronicle, with the antagonists being opportunistic monsters who want to take advantage of these well-intentioned Hunters, and more traditional Hunters who do not want an Unveiled Masquerade. And who says the Big Revelation about supernaturals to the world would be the end of the game? You could build more story arcs around the ensuing fallout. In fact, the "World Of Darkness Revealed" Shard from page 136 of Mirrors could serve as inspiration for this.

How does that sound?

It would also be a good idea to let the players have some dots in the Soulmate Supernatural Style:

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/813925-dialling-my-brain-back-down-true-friendship

So, do we know anything about what is going to happen with the other lines besides Vampire?

>>53484543
Mages will leak Mana out of their noses, and Silver Fangs will leak Gnosis out of their noses

>>53483757

Kuei-Jin. At lest the True Black Hand got bulldozered by the end of Wraith.

>>53484662
I like Kuei-Jin.

Anons, I'm currently writing a Batman fanfic set in the WOD.

I'm writing him as one of the last living Camazotz kinfolk, and in his childhood after his parents' murder he had a truly absurd amount of willpower. He stumbled upon the Batcave beneath Wayne Manor, in this story a powerful umbral site/node.

It's there that he encounters the Wyrmish Bat Totem, and in his anger and will he manages to subdue it in a test of supernatural will. Gaining Gnosis and Gifts from a now-reformed (Weaveric?) Bat Totem, the transformed spiritualist Bruce Wayne is set on the path of becoming the Batman.

After finishing a quiet life at school, he leaves home at 18 under Alfred's protests to travel the Americas, visiting the ancient and often destroyed or corrupted old caerns of the Camazotz. He sidesteps into the Umbra, facing twisted abominations, learning to fight and with from the Bat (who gives him great gifts alongside boons of supernatural strength, stealth, and knowledge).

Come his return to Gotham (New York?), he does the usual Bat-Gearing-Up, and heads out to face the supernatural as a Spirit Hunter, with the sigil of the Bat upon his chest. For kicks it can even be the scratchmark version like the Camazotz sigil.

Whaddya guys think?

>>53484709

Gotta agree. They were quality antags in VTM:B and that proved to me you can do them right.

It's only sensible that Asia deserves different myths and splats than the Euro-American centric splats. Vamps especially are rooted heavily in christian myth which makes no sense in China.

>>53484143

Anyone have that image in that particular resolution, without the text blotting out the lower half?

>>53484900
Seems likes a good take. How would you do his rogue gallery?

>>53485167

For what it's worth, the Joker is frequently mentioned in relation to Marauders.

>>53485283
>Joker
>Not a Malkavian

Son, i'm disappoint.

>>53485167
>>53485283

Since the story will generally be set in NY we've got a pretty good idea of the general background (Wartorn Supernatural world - Cam and Sabbat still squabbling, unable to gain full control. Technocrats looking over the Financial Areas and a handful of free mages in certain locales in the boroughs. Sept of the Green in the middle.) for which these characters can take place in.

Joker is a Malkavian, possibly replacing Auspex with Dominate so he has Dementation, Dominate, and Obfuscate. He's of an unusually (some might say disturbingly) low generation, but a tendency of his kindred to fail in killing him has left the Prince and Sabbat alike content to leave him alone.

Scarecrow is a Nephandi. His horrific monster form in Injustice is actually a real warform in this story, his use of Life/Mind allowing him to twist into horrific shapes and reshape the world around his foes into a house of their greatest terrors.

Ra's Al Ghul is instead called Ravager-of-Ghouls. He is an ancient Camazotz given fully to the Wyrm and takes the role of both Man-Bat and Ra's. He and his 'Assassins' are instead the last of the Camazotz, abandoned once more by the Wyrmish Bat when young Bruce destroyed their connection to it in his redemption. He hates Bruce and everything he stands for, and will attack the Batcave/Wayne Manor directly.

Poison Ivy is a Verbena tied directly to the Sept of the Green, with a section of the Tellurian holding her 'nest.' She's easily the most powerful Life/Prime mage in all of NYC, but her obsession with the Green is actually a form of Mad Quiet. Hobgoblins that take similar guise to Swamp Thing torment her daily, and often harry the Werewolves trying to still use the Sept normally.

They can't exactly expunge her without ending up turned into toads or strangled by aggravated spiky vines.

Bane is actually an Extraordinary Citizen, utilizing a 'serum dispenser' Device provided by a NWO operative. It soaks the permanent paradox. ctd.

>>53484143
>Have you ever played up the Exalted connection?
The devs themselves didn't play up that 'connection' for more than like two months didn't they? And then one throw away paragraph in hunter?

>>53484143
>Have you ever played up the Exalted connection?

Please no. We had an entire thread ruined by magefags and solarfags duking it out.

>>53485801
Cross fiction power level fights is still the lowest depths of autism this thread has sunk to. Like that's deviant art level I'll tell you what.

>>53485719
>Scarecrow being a Mage
>Joker being a vamp.
Joker would be a Marauder. The level of handwavium he has is nothing short of a Mage.
I could buy Scarecrow being a Formori of some sort.

>>53484921
Agreed, but if they ever brought them back they gotta do some better research into myths across Asia and rely a lot less on weeby stereotypes.

>>53485824
It's hardly cross fiction. The splats correlate.

>>53485887
>The splats correlate.
But they don't. Like five books in oWoD dropped hints that they might, but both nWoD and exalted beyond second edition dropped it like a bag of bricks when they realized shit don't make sense.
Besides, that wasn't exactly my point. There might be some connection there if you want there to be, but it's impossible for them to actually crossover and keep themselves the way there are. Like, there isn't a supernal in Creation, and there isn't Essence (or at least not the same type of essence) in WoD. Somethings gotta give somewhere.

>>53485719 Continued Here

>>53485623 Topkek anon!

As said Bane is an Extraordinary Citizen and the Venom is just a rote. He doesn't really have any magic of his own. As a Technocratic agent he's primarily concerned with taking down supernaturals or legends like them. He can't fight a Werewolf, but a fledgling or any number of minor creatures from the WOD books are his domain. Batman included.

Deadshot is actually Hitmark 494. Hyperlethal. Ungodly Accurate. Wears an armored suit so nobody can see his cybernetics. Primarily tasked with wiping out individuals that threaten consensus such as unprepared Mages or even mundanes with catchy ideas.

Deathstroke is actually an Imbued. Like Batman he has 10/10 willpower and Vengeance as his primary set of edges. I don't know hunter that well but 'Creates weapons from thin air' sounds like Deathstroke alright. In this he's the Reverse-Batman.

Two-Face, Zzaz, Black Mask, Anarky, Penguin, and Riddler are all mundane criminals. I don't know slasher so maybe that fits Zzaz. Riddler has supernatural intelligence traits and tons of knowledge skills (including Occult) but focuses entirely on his riddles and gadgets therein. Black Mask is a criminal lord with a weird S&M Mask. Anarky's just some guy in a mask with a nice voice to draw a crowd, a good pawn. Penguin's a snarky mob boss who's too useless to make a good ghoul himself. Two-Face is a psychotic DA as is appropriate.

Clayface is actually a unique Wyrmic Bane that infests people. The Wolves hate it but while semi-powerful only does bashing damage, and seemingly can't be killed without the usual freezing treatment from the comics. Werewolves usually don't pack that kind of gear, Batman does.

Kite-Man, Condiment King, Calendar Man, Cluemaster, Killer Moth, Firefly, and Mr. Freeze are all Extraordinary Citizens that worship a Mage figure known as 'The Owl', who lives in Chicago and has caused lots of trouble there. They appear in New York to challenge Batman for him.

>>53485922
*exalted beyond first edition

>>53485922
No. They do correlate.

The metaplot for OWoD is entirely semi-canon and the relative gamelines for CofD were made to compliment each other, disregarding balance of course.

>>53485922
Exalted 1e and 2e and cWoD were part of the same cosmology, nWoD and 3e aren't. This isn't a difficult concept.

>>53485851

Fanficcer here again - Joker can't be a Marauder because Marauders are like a walking Horizon Realm on Earth. Their after-effects are limited to nonexistent, which just doesn't fit the Joker's MO.

As a Malkavian with Obfuscate/Dominate/Dementation he can emulate the toxic laughing gas, be stealthy, and control a large gang despite his insanity. His bombs and stuff are all usually quite mundane.

Shit, in TDK he doesn't need any of that stuff and still manages to mindfuck people. I make him a Malkavian mostly to have people still working for him, which makes no sense given how crazy most Jokers are.

It also sets up a heroic Malkavian Revenant Harleen Quinzel.

>>53485955
Wait wait, are you saying the WoD splats correlate or that exalted and WoD correlate? Because if the second [citation needed] since I can pull up dev quotes right now saying the contrary.
>>53485956
That's what I was saying. Except only Exalted 1e, I think they dropped it well before 2e became a thing unless I'm getting my dates wrong.

>>53485956
>Exalted 1e and 2e and cWoD were part of the same cosmology

This was dropped by the actual authors relatively quickly. It's more of a nod.

>>53485980
>Wait wait, are you saying the WoD splats correlate or that exalted and WoD correlate?

The former. Exalted is no longer connected to WoD.

I have a curiosity question. Whats the single largest WoD book ever published in terms of page count?

>>53486049
I'd have to guess one of the X20 cores, if only because of how much they're cramming in there.

Is transitioning WoD characters into Hunter characters a rough process?

>>53485922
>>53485955
>>53485956
>>53485980
>>53485981
>>53486002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdWKXvlt0do

Exalted 1e and oWoD were intended to be the same setting. Somewhere between Exalted and WoD, all the exaltations got chopped up to be even smaller, Creation became a sphere, space was invented, and a bunch of other shit changed

Solars become Hunters
Abyssals became Vampires
Infernals became Demons
Dragon-Blooded became Kuei-Jin
Lunars became Werewolves
Sidereals became Mages
Fair Folk became Changelings
Alchemicals didn't exactly make the transition, but I vaguely remember WoD having something about a planet called Autochthon(the machine-god who the Alchemicals live on, in Exalted), which orbits the sun opposite Earth, and is inhabited by robots

The Ebon Dragon married the Scarlet Empress; she became the Scarlet Bride.
EVERYTHING from Exalted can be connected to something in WoD, except for actual locations in Creation.
Even Malfeas is still around in the early editions of WoD, iirc

>>53486616
(For what its worth, this idea was probably jacked from Earthdawn and Shadowrun, which did it much better, since Earthdawn's Barsaive is literally just modern Ukraine, and the Blood Wood is the Chernobyl zone of exclusion)

In both cases, WoD/Exalted and Shadowrun/Earthdawn, the connections were dropped, but you can still spot the connections if you look for them(Re: ED and SR, you can even spot the same fucking dragons in both games, although they go by different names)

>>53486583
I'm not sure I understand. Hunter characters are WoD characters, do you mean like having a hunter undergo a change into a splat?

>>53486642
I'm still new to WoD, so I'd rather ask the silly questions. I wasn't sure if there would be a template change or not.

>>53486583
Do you mean nWoD/CofD mortals into Hunters?
Easy as shit. Just add the 'career' field, let them select some asset skills, and add a free specialty(plus the ability to risk Willpower and learn/use Tactics)

oWoD mortals/hunters hunted people/whatever into capital-H Hunters? I'd say just leave them at their current XP and either start allowing them to buy stuff from Hunter, or add all the stuff a freshly made Hunter would get that they didn't start with as mortals, but I don't really know much about oHunter

>>53486682
The former of the two options was what I was getting at. Thankfully it is that simple.

>>53486616
Yeah, except the point being made is that Exalted no longer equated to WoD as a whole.
The authors went from "ancient past" to "a subtle nod"

It's no longer considered canon, certainly no more than the semi-canon metaplot.

>>53486049

I'm nearly positive that Mage 20th tops all the others at 700 pages. Vampire 20th is only 488 pages long.

>>53486754
Wow. 700 pages to say nothing of worth.

>>53486805
>>53486754
>700 pages
>350 pages of culinary advice, 'don play bad guiz or u becom bad', and memes
>200 pages of 'how the fuck does metaplot work'
>150 pages of actually useful info for playing the game

>>53486616
Even that doesn't really help the whole exalt vs whatever else thing though.

Kindred of the east had this story in it somewhere, describing how reality was constantly going through these highs and lows. It specifically noted that miraculous powers and what not were easier and harder to use, weaker and stronger as the cycle turned. In theory this was a prototype for the exalted into WoD thing, but what it means is that even if you took a 1e exalt and planted them in WoD land their powers would likely be weaker than they are in creation simply because of how reality had changed and lessened. It's also why archspheres weren't intended to be a thing initially, because that sort of power in what's supposed to be a low period of the cycle makes no sense.

>>53487343
>It's also why archspheres weren't intended to be a thing initially, because that sort of power in what's supposed to be a low period of the cycle makes no sense.

Except the Archspheres make perfect sense
Whether you like it or not, unlimited power is just that.

>>53487411
You can say it all you want, doesn't change the fact that game devs have outright said they were never intended as part of the original vision.

>>53487470
One game dev.

>>53487411
You misunderstand. I mean if we assume that wheel of ages thing is true then the archspheres violate that idea. It's probably one of the reasons they decided to start getting rid of any inherent connection.

>>53487481
100% of the devs to comment on the topic.

>>53487483
Splat philosophies differ greatly, anon. The wheel of ages isn't absolute.

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>>53487489
Phil Brucatto doesn't account for 100% of the developers.

>>53487503
You'll notice I never said that. I said that the only comment from an original mage dev we have says they were never intended to be a thing. And yes that is the comment I'm talking about.

>>53487523
A few have called the Archspheres necessary, I believe.
But that's not the same as "they were always meant to be"

Just food for thought.

>>53483294

>Yeah, vampires exist and they kill and torture us for their amusement. Whaddya gonna do eh?

Not as well thought out as it could be eh

Were there any changes to Tremere in second edition or is stuff in left-hand legacies still on point

>>53488036
Only crunch changes.
According to Dave, they're getting an altered template, to combine with their Legacy "houses".

>>53487117

Not that Mage: 1e wasn't also full of autism about the evils of science and rationality. The only big difference is the culinary advice and the inclusion of gender studies wankery in the general leftist-anarchist wankery bucket.

>>53488222
Don't forget the unnecessary exclusion of the Archspheres.

>>53487968
It's a human gift to be able to blatantly ignore horrible shit going on right next to you. There's a condition that I can't remember the name of, where people ignore danger more the closer they are to it.
Add in the Invisible Gorilla phenomenon and I wouldn't put it past people to wave off Vamps eating people as "Yeah those gangs are getting really violent lately, the cops should do something."

>>53488765
Acting like that is not limited to mortals in wod/cofd. There are subsects among Carthians that insist that there is nothing supernatural about vampires and others creatures existing in cofd.

>>53489123
"Nothing magical about literal blood sorcery and undeath, right guys?"

>>53489148
>Look we all watched Blade. What more is there to know?

Which arcana are the most fun/interesting?

>>53489750
Matter and Forces grant the greatest capacity for creative thinking.

>>53489779
is that fun tho?

>>53489835
yes

>>53489847
Personally i think space/time is most fun/intresting.

being able to travel to virtually anywhere and see any time is super intresting.

Being able to make fires bigger and turn shit into whatever isnt..

>>53489750
Fate is always a good one.

>>53488765

But that's usually done as a way to cope with something unchangeable - if even Joe schmoe has a decent idea vamps might exist, Im certain the CIA knows. Why not just kill them? I prefer thinking the masquerade is effective even if it requires some hand waving to "yeah humans know but they seem cool with it"

>>53489937
What do you think of Prime?

>>53489937
So you want to be a tourist? Neat.
The other Arcana will be here when you actually want to DO something cool.

>>53490143
Useful if you need to dispel magic or investigate magic/supernal stuff but fun and intresting on its own in a vacuum? Nope.

>>53490149
Yeh cos time travelling isnt cool.

>>53490149

Your face and anus have changed places and now you're getting your ass kicked by five or six different bi-locating versions of the same mage

>>53490129
I tend to play masquarade in requiem in a "johnwickish" way. That there is behind the scenes world that also has large number of "normal" people catering to it. In normal circumstances I would probably run with assumption that every major agency is run by supernaturals

>>53490207
Hombre, Time and Space have awesome applications, but you named the most basic bitch versions of them.

Going places and seeing stuff.

Get fractal with space, trap people in loops, redefine your history for fun and profit, collapse potential futures around an action to ensure it's success, collapse 3 items into the same spatial plane and switch between them as you need.

Your Magic itself should be fun, not the stuff you find with it.

>>53490240
Using magic to find and investigate mysteries is fun, using magic for the sake of using magic which im sure can be fun for a limted about of time is meh. You've seen one person trapped in a loop you've seen them all...

Id rather not sit around playing with myself/magic and actually use magic to find something intresting.

The seers were right all along

>>53490224
I prefer to run it that the major agencies around the world that matter have a quiet truce with the supernatural world, ie you don't fuck the status quo, we will not fuck you.
Especially that in the course of NWoD, where it is a unspoken rule that no single supernatural creature, or group of them, has power over humanity that exceeds a strong grip on a single city, it makes more sense to allow supers to simply go about their existences quietly, rather than declare an all out war that you can't reasonably justify.
Supernatural leaders are generally aware of this truce and it's implications, and will not step in the way of humanity eliminating individuals that are rocking the boat, lest they be tossed overboard with them.
>this came up hard in a werewolf game I was running, where after repeated incidents of going hog wild in populated areas, they were brought down and put under the leash of TF:V
>the pack appealed to other packs and the local elders for aid, and were turned out wholesale, and at the end were exiled from the state on pain of crippling

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I like this concept. Has anyone here ever bothered to play with it?

>>53491505
Yeah I see what you say. In my vtr game sire of one of pcs runs a hotel with roughly 40 crew most of with are perfectly aware their boss is a vampire and are down with that. However outside of people working for supernaturals directly I tend to keep both worlds separate in most ways.

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>here to empower the clans
>badass visuals

>>53491862
YES dude I'd love to have another discussion about how an image of a man with a nosebleed dooms the line forever, please go on

>>53490224

Eh, that gets a little too ridiculous - the more non-supernaturals you meet who're in on it the more it stops feeling much like a masquerade at all.

I prefer playing it as the mortal world simply doesn't know about their existence, and the only government agents who do are the ghouls specifically placed to keep it that way.

>>53488765
>"Yeah those gangs are getting really violent lately, the cops should do something."

"Yeah, vampires are getting really violent lately, the mages should do something."

>lawnchairs

>See, e.g., Dresden Files

>>53491883

There was a prior discussion? I wasn't aware.

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>>53491282
>The seers were right all along

Was there ever any doubt...

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>>53491931

>yfw posting this

>>53490143

Prime was good back in M:tAs since it gets combat spells the soonest out of any sphere. Typically you need 3 in a given sphere to get a 'fireball' equivalent while Prime both lets you make other stuff from nothing and make raw Quint weaponry including magic missiles, magic swords.

>>53491949

?

>>53491953
And now it's kinda lame?

>>53487523
>>53487503
>I said that the only comment from an original mage dev we have says they were never intended to be a thing

Brucato clearly admitted that archspheres were indeed intended to be a thing at many points in the gameline, only that he personally never wanted them when he was the developer. Moreover, he also explicitly concedes archspheres are still canon in M20, only that because his feelings were hurt, he's an obstinate douche and he used too much page count with his culinary demands, there weren't included in the M20 corebook.

RichT making Phil the sole developer and author of M20 was a colossal mistake. Phil will be Phil, and the problems with M20 are the fault of RichT, the purported Creative Director of OPP who was apparently asleep at the wheel during the production of game.

>Douch20: The Brucatoing.

>>53491983

If Signs of Sorcery is ever published (and at this point it's a big if), and Dave listened to the confusion and concerns about nuPrime, the supplement will fill in the gaps and expound upon the Arcanum. However, I'm not particularly optimistic.

>>53491928
>Dresden Files
Where the most knowledgeable wizard in the world about vampires gets greased anyway, and the vast majority of them stopped going out at night for fear of being ganked?

>>53492088

Mages in the Dresden Files are nearly as powerful as those in CofD, and the Red Court vampires are not the equivalent of CofD vampires. The Black Court vampires are comparable to Requiem vampires, and they're almost extinct in the Dresden Files setting.

If it wasn't for the arbitrary and ridiculously prohibitive DF Rules of Magic, wizards would rule the planet.

>>53492169
>they're almost extinct in the Dresden Files setting
Literally because their weaknesses became common knowledge to humanity, and humanity wiped them out.
>If it wasn't for the arbitrary and ridiculously prohibitive DF Rules of Magic, wizards would rule the planet
Despite how difficult it is to use magic offensively in DF?
Or how almost all spells outside of those cast by fey lords and high powered entities WILL end at dawn/dusk? Or the many creatures in the Nevernever, disregarding the ones on earth, that have an investment in humanity remaining what it is, versus wizards gaining more power and influence?
DF isn't your wank off Mage, anon. Wizards pointedly are not gods, and Dresden himself is accounted among the most powerful in the setting, but is still in over his head more often than not.

>>53491983

I don't really play or know Awakening at all. Lore's shit so I left it unbought.

Prime is THE most vital magical secondary sphere. Need Tass? Quint? Want to step sideways without going through naked? Wanna make stuff from thin air? Say Paradox is a lie or rip Quint from a living being?

That's Prime. Every single dot of prime gives you something important, which just isn't true for the other spheres.

Look at Time-1: You get a fucking mind watch. That's it.

Prime-1: Extra Quint above your Avatar Rating (!!!), Etheric Senses (Detect Magic/Nodes), and Consecration, so stepping sideways/shapeshifting brings all your stuff with you.

Then at 2 most spheres just let you modify properties of something. At 2, Prime lets you store quint in objects, shoot quint as magic missiles or turn it into a lightsaber, create objects from thin air, and project yourself as a giant golden godly version (which is just a projection but hey it's cool).

Once you hit Prime-3 you can make wonders and shit or draw directly from nodes, and you're off to the races.

The only real drawback of Prime is that it's SUPER vulgar at all times.

>>53492250
sounds pretty hot

Anyone got building a legend yet?

>>53492250
>Prime is THE most vital magical secondary sphere.

Only in games in which Quiessence is plentyful. Yes, its pretty damm useful, no discussion there. But it wholly depends on the type of game you are playing in.

Are nodes extremely rare? Or the few that exist are taken by more powerful cabals? Then detecting magic nodes is marginally useful. Tass and such depends you got Quintessence to spare.

Wonder is can of worms as the rules for them are shitty and not very clear so i have play many tables in which DM dont allow the creating of them or you gotta have Prime, then pay background point and then choose one from the books.

What's the result of a strix using Synthesis on a strange host, for example a werewolf?

>>53490129
>Im certain the CIA knows.
CIA has enough human problems on their plate. Going all-ou against vampires also doesnt pass the "acceptable losses" test

>>53490129
there are more important problems, like russian hackers

>>53492916
russian vampire hackers

>>53490129

As stated in the V20 corebook only certain limited individuals in the CIA/NSA/Other organizations have an actual understanding of the supernatural.

Most of said individuals aren't fully versed on the threat (and consider Vampires 'Extradimensional Infiltrators' with detectors installed at the White House and elsewhere) and anyone who DOES become versed in the threat quickly gets ousted via ghouled politicians and manufactured scandal.

It's explicitly stated that the current trio at NSA is the successor group to the original NSA military director, who knew Vampires existed and was brought down as a nutjob obsessed with fairytales because the Vamps knew he knew.

Ghoul/Kinfolk infiltration is at all levels of the government and the Technocracy is tied directly into it as well. Most normal folks end up on the border wall 'looking for chupacabras' if they ask too much, but plenty of agents have an inkling and pursue it as a side-job unsupported.

I'd imagine many of those end up helping HunterNET and other organizations.

>>53492966
>Kolya is a werewolf spy

>>53492817
This thread may help you a bit http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/werewolf-the-forsaken/894191-strix-possessed-werewolf

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>>53485981
This is correct. The book that came with the first edition ST screen spells it out explicitly.

>>53486616
You have a number of points very confused. Malfeas has always been a part of Werewolf, and it came from there. KotE has a Scarlet Queen instead of a Scarlet Empress, and she and the Ebon Dragon are manifestations of a Daoist concept rather than what you see in Exalted. Just about everything that you see is, as noted above, a nod and a namedrop with no significance. Unless you want to say that Aberrant is related to Vampire just because there's some lick named Mirko Mirkonen in a book written by Kraig Blackwelder (former Aberrant developer).

>>53486642
>>53486672

If you're talking about whether or not you can somehow change H:tV characters into Imbued, the answer would be no. The Messengers (oddly enough, the aforementioned Ebon Dragon and Scarlet Queen) only select ordinary humans with no relation to monsters, no idea that there are monsters around them, and no mind made up as to how to deal with monsters.

>>53487411
>Archspheres make perfect sense

Nothing makes sense anymore, least of all Archspheres.

>>53492247
The one time vampires managed to surprise the White Court they got outplayed heavily. Arthur Langtry was no joke.

Dresden Files wizards shit all over vampires. Explicitly so.

>>53495000

Not really, Vampire were only loosing ground because:

A) The Wizards made a deal to use the Nevernever path of the winter court.

B) The White Court decide to sit that one out.

C) The Red King was mad. His blood addiction gave him ups and downs making him function at full mental capacity sometime and not others. Had the Red King be replaced by a more even ruler as was the original plan then wizards would have lost.

At the end of the day the Vampire have the advantage of both number and replacement velocity. Mages could kill 50 vampires each before they died but 1 wizard takes way much longer to replace than 100 vampire.

>>53495618
Yeah no. I'm referring to the actual encounter. The wizards were the superior combatants during the assault even when ambushed.

>>53495618
>Had the Red King be replaced by a more even ruler as was the original plan then wizards would have lost.

This is debateable.

>>53495618
>>53495790

Crazy vampires leadership is typical for both Dresden Files and CofD.

Also keep in mind that the wizards were always heavily outnumbered by the Red Court vampires and normally unwilling to play hard and dirty due to the Laws of Magic. Recall that when the latter wasn't at play, Ebenezar McCoy pulled a freakin' satellite out of orbit and obliterated an entire town just to kill a single vampire. McCoy is not even the strongest wizard on the Senior Counsel.

>>53492916
>>53492966
>russian vampire hackers

>Bored Obrimos or Iron Masters

>>53484143
I've actually always wanted to try and play up some connection between exalted and scion. They both have an object called the loom of fate with a strand for the destiny of each person place and thing, and the course of destiny is altered whenever the PC's use their powers.

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>>53491611

I did, once! Though, I switched the genders for the concept: The wife was the one who ended up becoming a vampire, and the husband was the one who swore revenge. Also, it wasn't the Sabbat that embraced her, but rather a group of feuding Anarchs embroiled in gang warfare.

Was pretty fun, all things considered. My character, after nearly a year, beat a Brujah's face in with a golf club while his henchmen/subordinates held the vamp down. Then he staked him and left him out for the sunrise.

The Hunter group he was in later on got compromised, which led to them breaking up and going dark in an effort to stay alive. We did rolls to see how many of us would survive the vamp attacks, and my character was one of three who lived (out of five).

That said, he sacrificed a lot of his wealth in order to stay alive, but he's there in case I ever want to bring him back.

>>53496109

Sorry, beat THE Brujah's face in*, I mean the one that embraced his wife, not just some random vamp.

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>Planning an Anarch game
>Player wants to be Camarilla

>>53496024
To be honest red courts really do not have too much to show for themselves in novels. Both White and Black courts come off as more impressive thou black courts are almost extinct and white court is siting things out.

Also worth noting red court was taking it up the ass from faerie courts with have much more fire power than white council when they can move it(they do not check the other court)

>>53496751
Can't resist the wonderful order and benevolence of the camarilla~

>>53496751
They sound like smart cookies.

>>53495790
The entire point of Ortega challenging Dresden in Death Masks was expressly to buy the time needed for the Red Court to properly build and stabilize it's forces in preparation for war.
It is not debatable, it was a major plot point of a novel.

>>53496880
He wants to play your average cutthroat ventrue in a suit and thinks he should be Camarilla for that. I'll already tried to explain that not all anarchs run around in leather jackets searching for trouble, but he is not having any.

>>53496975
No. It was quite debateable.

>>53496975
Yup. What Dresden did in third book(if I remember correct) kicked off the wc/rc war earlier then redcourts wanted. In other words by stumbling around like a drunk idiot dresden fucked up whole plot

>>53496975

Also at the time of Changes the Red court was planning a massive attack and had cripple most of the Wardens with a magical sickness.

There's some samefagging happening above

>>53496985
Give him bloodlines to play. Holywood baron there is exactly what he wants and he is anarch

>>53496024
>Ebenezar McCoy pulled a freakin' satellite out of orbit and obliterated an entire town

What Arcana would be required for this?

>>53497961
>What Arcana would be required for this?

There are many ways to skin this cat. "Easiest" would be Forces 3 + Space 2 imo.

>>53497961
Space/Correspondence would be a necessity

>>53497758
Yeah, i know. There are a lot of guys like that in the setting too. The player is just too lazy to do proper reseach.

>>53498022
Can I use fate to make satelite randomly malfunction at the exact time that would be needed for it to descend on someones mansion

>>53498045
I almost had a player like this. Can't play vampire biker unless it's a brujah(this being requiem brujah are mexican bloodline and game is set in middle of europe)

So, the Peace of Saint Joseph, the one that reduces an undead physical skills, you oppose it with stam+potency. Do you add in resilience to this roll? Because if you do man what a shit benediction that will never actually work on any vampire that actually needs to have its physical abilities lowered.

>>53498141
Well you do add resilience dots to stamina so kinda

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So I'm an idiot, please awaken me to the secret mysteries.

White Wolf now exist again, under Paradox, and will publish Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition, which is a continuation of the old V:tM with a newish system.

Onyx Path will continue to exist, publishing the 20th Anniversary Editions of the oWoD books, plus continuing to do what was nWoD, but is now Chronicles of Darkness.

Do I have that right?

>>53498228
Guess I'm stuck with a benediction that 20% of the time, it works every time.

>>53498324
Not every vamp has resilience. If you would try to hit average elder with it you would probably have shit luck anyway

>>53496751
Smart guy. Anarchs are literally the worst.

>>53496751
Let him be a Camarilla plant. For drama.

>>53498058
Yes. The issue would be targeting the satellite itself. Space 2 for sympathetic casting is usually the option w/ the most utility. But in theory you could also use Time to travel back to a point (assuming it's within your lifespan) when the satellite was still on earth and curse it to crash at some point in the future. And of course there's the option of enhancing your vision w/ mystical or mundane means to just cast at sensory range but that's going to depend on GM fiat.

Personally I'd let you do it if you want to get creative w/ a telescope during a ritual.

>>53498546
I also want vampire mariachi band in the background and werewolf pack running around with flares when I manage to do that.

>>53498393
Sorry LaCroix, you suck.

>>53498383
>not every vampire has resilence
Tell that to my fucking storyteller. I roll an 8d10 for it and I've seen a vamp be that low once. I've used the ability ten times and this faggot always has resilence vampires that sometimes use willpower too on the roll to fuck me even harder.

>>53498845
Funny thing that least punchable vampire-authority figure in game is a fuckin Tremere

>>53499006
Hey dude tremere are cool guys

>>53498869
Looks like your gm is out to get you. Thou to be honest my players in vtr killed every hunter I sent after them even if I tweaked the odds in hunters favor

>>53499006
So, just like in most other cities?

>>53499034
Hey salubri called. They want their Antediluvian back

>>53499059
it's almost as if hunters are kinda pussy bitches

>>53499096
Demon worshipping SABBAT members? Sabbatists don't want their antediluvians around regardless

>>53499062
I dunno. Always thought Strauss is there to subvert stereotype

>>53499006
I always liked Strauss.

If only he was a mage.

>>53499130
Strauss is pretty chill but remember that he also couldn't give two fucks about LaCroix killing of your sire or even you if the anarchs had not intervened. Though the same could be said of all the clan members present in the meeting, i guess it would be kinda hard to make a different cutscene for every clan.

>>53498546

You don't necessarily need sympathetic casting or something as convoluted as Time.

You can target the satellite through a scrying window, or if without adequate Space, just remotely through mundane means (e.g., telescope, NASA telemetry, etc.). (Mage, p. 114).

An Obrimos with telescope or binoculars, no less connected to a city's CCTV network or even just looking at webcams over the internet, is truly frightening.

>Your laptop's webcam will be the instrument of your destruction

>technology most often favors mages over other spats

>>53499130
I bet a lot of Tremere are just old school nerds who got to play with magic. If you want assholes, just take a look at the Toreador.

>>53499171
Well he does represent certain archetype so you could have him as 1-1 conversion as a hermetic leader in your mage game without any effort.

With calls for some mental exercise. If you would convert bloodlines to mage what tradition or convention would various npcs be

Are blood sorcerers overpowered compared to normal vampires?

>>53499235
What do you know, the free council might actually might actually be barking up the right tree.

>>53499265
Speaking for vtr I wouldn't say so. You get good utility and can melt a guy without leaving your haven but on the other hand carthian law can shut you down completely in their domain. Also oaths/laws are way cheaper in exp then getting good at blood sorcery is while coils on average offer more utility then any of the above.

>>53498305
>Do I have that right?

Yup

>>53499290
>the free council might actually might actually be barking up the right tree.

Meh. Libertines are just a bunch of monkey lovers.

In 2e, the Free Council are no longer the "technology order." They focus on an "as below, so above" philosophy, while the rest of the Pentacle if more "as above, so below." The FC has a lot of "primitive" types in the Order, and members of the other Orders have no ingrained issues with technology.

For instance, you'll be equally likely to meet a mage who's a shaman or physics professor in either the Mysterium or Free Council. They just have different focuses and priorities (and the Mysterium will have no compunction about live vivisection of filthy sleepers).

>>53499739
What could you possibly learn from a Sleeper?

>>53499908

How to make them stop being a goddamned Sleeper, hopefully. Dave kinda dropped the ball on the FC, who should be at least as fractious as Carthians.

>>53496751
Tell him 'No, this is an Anarch game, I'm sorry. Perhaps play something friendly to the Camarilla and that avenue may open up eventually, but if you JOIN the Cam that PC will have to retire'.

>>53500415
Everybody is in the Cam tho...

>>53498305
All except for one thing. OPP will only finish up the X20 stuff they have in the pipe, then the license will revert to NuWW to be developed in-house. X20 stuff will still be available, the stuff that's released, but no new books will be developed as X20 lines. At least, this was mentioned by one of the devs elsewhere, though I can't find the quote now.

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>>53496751
>only one player has a brain

>>53499908
>What could you possibly learn from a Sleeper?

Probably not much, but you never know, particularly if they've been exposed to certain Mysteries. That's the reason for the live vivisection...

>>53500097
Only so much room in the core book.
Tome of the Pentacle, due to be released in 2118 however...
That might be helpful.

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>>53496751
Compromise, have them play Sabbat.

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>>53500681
>sabbat

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>>53500434
... how are you 'planning an Anarch game' yet everyone is playing a Cammie? That makes NO SENSE>

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>>53500681
>play Sabbat

>>53500624
>That's the reason for the live vivisection..

While you might learn something from the live vivisection of a Sleeper, I recommend that you don't discount the entertainment value.

After witnessing a few muggles stumble upon and then totally wreck a unique Mystery, there's really nothing more soothing and cathartic than hearing their screams as you return the favor.

>Mysterium Supremacy!

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Well then everyone may I present quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever done. I am going to run a Werewolf the Apocalypse one shot for my local club and I have built the pregens.

Seeing as you guys seem the sort to need a good chuckle every now and again.

It really makes me happy to introduce to you.

The Muppet show

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8ioajx-MEaYVWlwSVh3QWVHOUk

>>53501143

It's Not Easy Being Green

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpiIWMWWVco

Does anyone happen to have the PDF full of homebrewed Mage 2E legacies.

>>53501418
IT was postedi n the last thread, god.

>>53500730
The cam believe that everybody is a member of the cam whether they want to be or not you fucking asshole, read the books.

Your playing a cam game even when you are a member of the sabbat...

>>53500435

Gotcha, thanks!

>>53501559
Hm. I control+f'd for Legacies and Legacy, but I guess I missed it. Thank you, I'll look again!

>>53501694
Sorry, my bad, thread before last.

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1495934252827.pdf

>>53501694
It was two threads ago now
>>53466179

I promise I can work more on it after the 13th when I'm done with exams.

>>53501756
>>53501776

Much thanks fellow Anons!

>>53501610
That doesn't mean it is a Camarilla game you fucking retard. Places like Los Angeles are ruled by the anarchs, any guy there saying he's in the Camarilla would get killed on sight.

>>53501883
Los Angels is ruled by the Kuei Jin you mongo not the anarchs.

>>53496985
>Wanting to be a Camarilla Venture
Your player has God Level taste, let him be.

>>53484900
>>53485719
>>53485945


Writefaggotry sequel to these.

>KRAKOOOM.

>Rain patters down on the ceramic of my cowl. Water splatters my armor, and licks up around my boots. It seems like there's hardly a sunny day anymore, among the towers and alleys of old Gotham.

>My name is Bruce Wayne. When I was nine years old, a gunman shot my parents dead. Ever since their funeral, I've been different, connected on a deeper level with the world around me. With that comes greater knowledge of the creatures and men that walk within it, hidden shadows and monsters that the world doesn't want to admit exist.

>It's a dangerous place, this dark shadow beneath the real world , and while the people of New York sleepwalk through the dangers that travel through these streets by day and night, it's up to people like me to use the powers I've been given to protect them. Whether it's stalking a creature of the night wreathed in supernatural shadows, or tracking down the mundane criminals and murderers that call this city their domain, I will not rest until the city that killed my parents is a better place for everyone.

>To do that, I became more than a man, more than a more than a symbol: I became... Batman.

>From a Garygoyle overlooking Broadway, I watch as the sun begins to set. It's the first time that the usual creatures of the dark come out. To those people that look up, I'm merely part of the window dressing: a particularly black shadow that lies above a menacing stone statue.

>Part of being what I am comes with perks. Shadowy cloaks that make me difficult to distinguish in shadow. Silent movement, even running. Benefits of the sigil I wear on my chest. Benefits from a decade of companionship with my patron creature.

>Once, I was afraid of Bats.

To Be Continued.

>>53502024
Go read Anarchs Unbound, please.

>>53502728
v20? no thanks.

>>53502762
Then shut the fuck up.

>>53502713

Continuation.

>Creature after creature. Legend after legend. Real - and trying to balance one another in an unending war to keep secret and kill us all in the process. Against that shadow is myself - a billionaire. A philanthropist. A false-flag playboy trying to turn the tide against unwinnable odds.

>I step to the edge of the Gargoyle, edges of my cape clinging to magnets in my gauntlets. I take in a deep breath as the glowing light covering my eyes looks out to the heavens. I remembered the first day I flew, when the corrupted Bat carried me above a callous mirror of reality and clawed a nine-year-old Bruce Wayne half to death.

> If it hadn't been for that day, I wouldn't be the man I am. Half-Spirit. Half-Man. All Determination. I leap forward, wind catching my wings, as I take flight through the expanse of New York City.

> The red sky turns to black.

> Whatever comes next, I can't forget the Bat's angry mantra.

> 'I am Darkness, Little Wayne! I am the Night!'

> And now, I'm Batman.

TL;DR Batman is a sort've living embodiment of the Bat. I'm not sure if there's a splat that covers a half-spirit half-man (Changeling doesn't really make sense) so I'm portraying it as essentially a Fera-type connection without the whole shapeshifting bit.

His absurd childhood willpower let him visit the Camazotz's corrupt Bat in a cave beneath Wayne Manor (kinda like the scene from BvS). In a warped fight where the Bats' little Bat-Banes stab the fuck out of 9yo Bruce he manages to kill a few and then stare-down and out-willpower the Wyrm-corrupted Bat. It now serves the Weaver, as does Batman.

This Batman's explicitly superhuman rather than the implicitly superhuman Batmen of most portrayals, gaining his power from the Strength/Stealth aspects of the Bat Totem. His starter gifts are Spirit Speech, Silence, and Shadow Cloak (or whatever that one Camazotz gift was).

>>53502762
>>53502728

Huh, I thought LA was ruled by (ERROR ENDING TO VTM:B UNFINISHED)

>>53502815
LOL.

Sorry its still 1999.

>>53502882
muh 90s

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>>53503537
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude

>>53502868
There is a canon ending and it is Independent or Anarch, cause LaCroix got fucked and the Kuei Jin don't have LA. They are including some of the game content in the upcoming Beckett Jyhad Diaries.

>>53492492
Yeah, and it's actually decent. It's basicaly a condensed version of Damnation City, plus it had a section on the Primordial Dream that justifies its existence, making it the best Beast book.

How is the european Camarilla compared to the americans?

>>53504279
They have funny accents

Question.

What happens if a vampire attempts diablerie (as in, actually starts it) and then stops? What are the repercussions?

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>>53504292
Noice.

>>53504306
i remember reading about it in one of the books, once your suckin on the soul if you stop or cant complete it, then your shit out of luck. The victim just dies.

>>53504353
Do you get the black streaks in your aura, though?

>>53504242
>best beast book

that isnt hard to achieve now is it?

>>53504368
dont think so, the black streak is the new soul so without it it shouldnt appear.

I vaguely remember that victims of failed diaberie might survive but suffer stupidly bad trauma from the experience, i might be mixing different versions (DA/1e/2e/revised/v20 not nwod) but id say if you havnt got the benfits of diablerie (ie new discs/skills/gen) then you dont get the drawbacks either.

Which of the splats is most catered to autists?

>>53504306
>>53504368

There are no repercussions. Not beyond those you'd get just killing the poor fucker. If you don't actually commit the act of Diablerie, you didn't commit Diablerie, so you don't suffer the effects or get the bonuses of it.

>>53504435
Mage

>>53504435
Mage.

>>53504425
>>53504443

How would the Camarilla likely react at attempted diablerie, though, if they found out?

I imagine it'd be nearly as severe if not just as much as if the deed was actually done.

>>53504435
Mage, without a doubt.
I am so fucking sick of every fucking faggot arguing for an offensive use of Shielding.
The specific term is "protection", not "control" or "exclusion".

You are not providing "protection" when you try and use Matter to stop air flowing into someone's lungs.
You could perhaps argue for such a thing with a Ruling spell, commanding it out of his lungs and stopping it froing going back in.
It's the same reason Time shielding only prevents the harmful aspects of time progression, it doesn't freeze you entirely because all of a sudden time is excluded from your physical form.

But if any faggot tries to pull "protection" in an offensive way, I will feed them their own character sheet.

>>53504584
It's an offense punishable by final death unless sanctioned by appropriate Camarilla law. This is a thing Elders put into place to protect their positions, after the rampant diablerie in the Dark Ages during the first Anarch Revolt.

>>53504242

Care to share yet?

>>53504435
Vampire. The players are obsessed with being the best.

Masquerade players especially. They fucking loathe Ascension.

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How do you get lazy players to read the book before they actually play? I'm tired of these fuckers ruining everything because they don't even understand the the most basic rules. Man, i need better players.

>>53504937
>Masquerade players especially. They fucking loathe Ascension.

Masquerade vampires can be the very best lawn furniture in the entire WOD.

>>53504970
Ask them if they've read the book. If they say no, say 'Okay, cool, we'll go over all of that now'. It's how we do introductions to new systems, our first session is 'getting to know the system'.

>>53504937
I have said it before and I will say it again.

Masquerade was the first line and founded the basis for WoD as a whole. Not Mage. Vampire.

Therefore, it only seems proper that the undead blood-drinkers should be the apex supernaturals of the damn setting.

Wizards being powerful "just because" is an absolutely atrocious concept. Vampires were here first, and deserve to be pampered. I'm sorry.

>>53505023
>a perfect example of why magefags continue to antagonize vampfags

Go to hell

>>53504970

Same boat, i ask everytime the session start if they manage to at least read parts of the book or learn how and what rites/gift there are in Forsaken.

So past session 10, i told them if they didnt read the book next week i will take the gloves off and the NPCs do know the rules and will use the full extend of their abilities against them.

>>53505012
I can't keep doing this every goddamn session.

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>>53505023

>>53505023
Ars Magica came out before Masquerade, dumbass

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>>53505338
You guys are not even trying anymore.

>>53505154
Do this, if they are to lazy to read the rules then fuck em, they will soon want to start reading the rules once they get shitpwned by powers they know nothing about.

Once had a player who did read books and i allowed him to play an infernalist who could disolve into a flock of ravens or some such, once the other players saw that they scoured every book they had to find out how he did it...

But in truth if they are just lazy then theres nothing you can really do. Ask them if they want to play that game, or do they just lack a gm and so will play any game a gm runs...

>>53505023
Vampires, by the very nature of the setting, deserve to be shit on. Do you or do you not understand what it means to be cursed?

>>53504435
Vampire. To be a real good mage player requires a degree of lateral thinking difficult for autists (I know because I actually am autistic) or a good understanding of symbolic thought in the new game (which is even more difficult)

A whole lot of Vampire players, especially ones who think vampires should be the strongest because they were first, don't get the core theme of the game, which is, as I said above, being cursed.

>>53504970
Some of us learn by doing.

>>53504435
Mage. Old more so than new, but even taking every published WoD book ever the ranking still goes ascension followed immediately by awakening.

>>53505925
It's the World Of Darkness. Everyone is fucked up, not just vampires. I don't think people with autism understand Vampire anymore than they understand Mage, both require a level of emotional understanding, especially with Vampire.

>>53505023
This is a magefag shitting all over the place so they have reason to keep wanking over their game.

http://theonyxpath.com/memorial-day-nonnotes-monday-meeting-notes/

>>53506006

Hey, I get the whole "Vampires are only big fish in a small pond" aspect as much as I get the "Mages fuck around with stuff best left alone" and "Werewolves fuck themselves super hard by being what they are" aspects of the game lines.

Would you give this Chronicle a chance?

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/1097918-undertale-like-chronicle

>>53506110
Another Monday, another week in development hell for both Signs of Sorcery, and Changeling the Lost.

What's more, neither seem to have any hope of getting out of it any time soon, with DaveB barely back on the title, and the Changeling bullshit happened with Hill's departure still likely ongoing.

>>53506197

As it is. We'll get Signs, eventually.

Personally, I kinda stopped caring, tonight. I'm back to being a forever-ST. The one and only game I get to play in - been going for four years now - just had to be put down. Too much for the ST at this point.

It sucks. It's kinda killed my remaining enthusiasm for running things.

>>53506614
Then don't.
I haven't played in a WoD game since 3 sessions of this one 1e Mage game, where I was the only person who had much of an idea about how to use their Arcana.

That being said I abused the everloving fuck out of Sympathetic Range and a Hallow. Stand in the Hallow, and use that free 1-mana discount to run everything for the Cabal from the safety of your Sanctum.

>>53506726

>Then don't.

Eh. It was a considerable source of amusement for me. Without it, I just feel kind of despondent. I'm gonna have to find a new hobby.

>>53504857
I'm sorry, but I can't for a couple of different reasons.

>first start playing Hunter the Vigil a week or so ago
>want to make basically Sullivan Dane from the old world of darkness books because he's the only character I remember my older cousin talking about, and a burned former priest killing vampires while still being human is rad as hell
>a guy so feared that vampires are told to stay the Goddamnfuck away from him under penalty of death because of how effective a hunter he is
>make my guy with a similar stat spread and telling the storyteller what I'm wanting to do and he agrees
>discover that vampires shit over him in combat and I can't seem to ever even get some prepwork done to aid me or the team against them
>get told that vampires don't even give a fuck about Conspiracies in Vigil, and if they turned their full force on any one of them, even the Mallas Malferucm, the humans would be dead in a heartbeat
>now feel like my character is lying when he said he's handled vampires in the past, just due to how easily I get shit on and how easily seemingly every cell, group and Conspiracy can fall
>changed from feeling good about solving our hunts to feeling bad that no matter how much XP I get, I'll never come close to doing any legit good in-setting, due to the difference in levels between a hunter and every supernatural, and I will always just be targeting the retard goon's goons if I want even odds my way

This shit feels legit awful. I get Hunters are the underdogs, but fuck me it sucks coming to a conclusion from a mechanical standpoint that my character would only ever win anything ever against a mid-tier vampire because of raw, total luck.

>>53505023

Any fa/tg/uy who thinks the Vamps are the weakest faction are blatantly ignoring the most effective weapon of the setting, and that's normal people.

The Vampire Masquerade only applies to Vampires. You aren't obligated to maintain the Veil. You aren't obligated to protect consensual reality. You are a vampire. Your weapon is people.

With that in mind, exploit the greatest threats to both Garou and Mages: exposure. Task Force: Valkyrie is a powerful weapon tooled to wipe out both factions, and ghouling/dominating the right people ends with those creatures either running for their lives, dead from Paradox/Silver, or being chased by their own demons (Banes/Fomori/Nephandi/Technocrats/Paradox Demons).

>>53507283
But why would you engage him in straight fight? This should happen when plan A went horribly wrong

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>>53507283

>a guy so feared that vampires are told to stay the Goddamnfuck away from him under penalty of death because of how effective a hunter he is

That's Caiaphas Smith you're talking about.

>>53507283
1. It sounds like your ST is dicking you over and using actual, legitimate, Vampire the Requiem vampires, which would explain why you're having a hard time with them.
2. Hunter is not about fighting monsters, its about figuring out a way to kill them without getting into actual Combat, because odds are in actual Combat they will fuck you up. Make it clear to your ST that you don't want to get into a fight, and try and use Tactics to your advantage.

>>53507580
Vampires are really easy to fuck over in combat though. I mean for one any fire of any type, even just a fucking spray can with a lighter, and they have to roll to not freak the fuck out and run. That and theres literally a tactic in the corebook to just jam a stake in them. If you land that even once it's over, just chain them up, douse them in gas, use one match and leave.

>>53507638

I never quite understood how fire was supposed to be some unique bane to vampires that give hunters an edge.

With the exception of its use by mages, fire is extremely unpredictable, very dangerous to employ effectively, and just as deadly to humans as vampires, if not moreso.

Sunlight is definitely an effective tool, but trying to use fire as a weapon is well..., as the saying goes, it'splaying with fire!

>>53507690
>With the exception of its use by mages...

>oWOD - Order of Hermes Supremacy

>CofD - Obrimos Supremacy

>>53507638
You need to tell that to one of my npcs who got his own molotov smashed on his head

>>53507690
You don't need to use it as a weapon, that's the point. Just being near it risks frenzy. Like, lighting a contained bonfire has a decent chance of chasing off vamps.

>>53507690
Sunlight is not that great. Average neonate will take 1l every 10 minutes from it

>>53507719
You know that frenzied vamp is still likely to pounce on you and bash your skull in. It is mostly up to st how much he wants to fuck with you. And if vamp is ordo dracul or rotgrafen he might just ignore it

>>53507704
>You need to tell that to one of my npcs who got his own molotov smashed on his head

Young vampires must love watching hunter blooper reels.

>>53507702
Well obrimos are best even in mage on mage

>>53507736
>You know that frenzied vamp is still likely to pounce on you and bash your skull in.
Not from fire. Frenzy specifically comes in different flavors, or at least in new it does, and fire frenzy entails running away.

>>53507750
Bonus points for benny hill theme

>>53507750
>Young vampires must love watching hunter blooper reels.

Network Zero presents America's Funniest Hunter Videos

>>53507779

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ldvtnIWg4g

>>53507719
>Like, lighting a contained bonfire has a decent chance of chasing off vamps.
Not really
If by 'contained bonfire', you mean, literally, a bonfire made of sticks and shit, vamps will be fine around it, unless it in some way poses a threat to them(eg, being surrounded by known or suspected hunters who might shove the vamp into the fire).

If by 'controlled bonfire', you mean, say, 'sprinkling gasoline in the vamp's apartment and then lighting it on fire', though, yeah, that'll cause the vamp to panic frenzy/rotschrek/whatever

>>53507814
Lighting a cigarette invokes a frenzy role. A weak one but it still does. Nothing about the fire needs to be threatening, it just happens.

>>53507283
>>get told that vampires don't even give a fuck about Conspiracies in Vigil, and if they turned their full force on any one of them, even the Mallas Malferucm, the humans would be dead in a heartbeat
This isn't exactly true, seeing as many Conspiracies have existed for centuries.

>>53507928
Worth pointing out that even conspiracies fight an uphill battle even if they survive

>>53501143
Was the 9-again mechanic a thing in OWoD?

>>53507992
No. However, difficulty in oWoD actually refers to the target number you roll against.

>>53507780
Tonight on Network Zero
>On "I spy with Panopticon Eye": Free Council hierarch comments "I will do what the fuck I want. Who do you think put me here"
>We are joining Prince of LA for his first time runthrough of Vampire the Masquarade Bloodlines
>Coiling with Vladislav: I'm joined today by Master Lecter of Mysterium and we will disscus best ways to dissect a mortal. Also why it is important to cover the walls and floor before
>Werewolf Wrestling Federation
>Miami Arrow: Loose canon obrimos McReedy has to deal with infestation of vampiric chairs that are eating tourists across the city
>Full Haven: loosing their havens and elysium to strix attack remaining vampires have to move in together

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I know that I'm gonna get some hate and what not. But does anyone know a way that I can emulate the character Kiritsugu Emiya in a game of Mage?

>>53508367
Kiritsugu vs Kayneth is essentially a duel between an Acanthus(Time) and a Moros(Matter).

At least I always pictured it as such.

>>53507283
Fluffwise Conspiracies fight a difficult battle but are a still a significant threat to almost all supernaturals. The thing is that the supernaturals are completely busted in their own rules, which I think is a mistake. Normal human hunters were a threat to even old and powerful vampires in myth and literature and I think it should be the case in both WoDs.

>>53507580
>1. It sounds like your ST is dicking you over and using actual, legitimate, Vampire the Requiem vampires, which would explain why you're having a hard time with them.

You're not supposed to do that? That could explain why I've been getting buttfucked, and why I wanted to throat punch Celerity users so Goddamn hard it makes my temple throb.

>>53508551
But they are capable of taking down vigil-versions of monsters. There really is no reason to power down other splats. If gm forces htv players to face real deal vamp or woof then they should rethink playing with him. It's like Mage gm throwing Ochemata at cabal of novices

>>53508585
Really he shouldn't. Vigil has rules for making "watered down" monsters. Personally I never run htv game but I would probably have players go after minor templates from Hurt Locker and such before throwing anything real at them

>>53508367
So is the Fate/* series a guideline on how you should play an adamantine arrow?

>>53508598
I know, but I still think all splats could become weaker. Lower power levels make games more enjoyable.

>>53508725
Well 1ed vampire and 1ed werewolf are weak as shit and only second edition of requiem/forsaken buffed them considerably.Mage I'm not sure if there was power bump in transition to second ed.

>>53508367
Acanthus in nMage, either Banisher or Arrow depending on the campaign. In cMage probably a Euthanatos.

>>53508835
Thanks

>>53509117
Or in nMage, a Praetorian.
Or perhaps even a Guardian, using a Mask to allow him to commit heinous acts for his cause.

>>53509153
I'll look into it.
I'll also have to figure how to spend my points, but... how hard can it be? (last famous words)

>>53500698
>>53500755
Sabbat games are great if played straight and not succumbing to the rampant writer dissonance. The Sabbat's core philosophy is entirely reasonable if grim and can be played easily and even as "good guys" at that. Shit the most common Path in the Sabbat is the Path of Honourable Accord that forbids rampant assholeism and being a dick. Consider that. The whole burning chainsaw on babies GOD HAS FORSAKEN US bullshit is officially infernalist plants or true black hand nonsense.

>>53509269
Everyone knows tremere are the good guys

>>53509332
Go away Strauss

>>53509350
no

>>53509363
#gargoylelivesmatter

He does give you nice haven tho

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>>53509443
Gargoyles wouldn't even exist the tremere and still they resist
ungrateful little fucks kill um all

Planning on running a primarily horror based Hunter game soon, my players are playing as an ex-cop, a detective, and a forensics analyst. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas or interesting plot lines I could throw at a primarily law enforcement based party.
Also, what's a good place to set the campaign? I'm thinking America somewhere but as a Yuro I'm not super sure where abouts in America would be a good backdrop.

>>53509481
Why not play game set somewhere you know well?

>>53509503
It's a bit hard to aquire guns here. And the local area is pretty lame.

So, the Order of Hermes loathes the Tremere.

Would they get along with the Tzimisce?

>>53509554
That just makes it more interesting, I think. Where in Yurope are you?

>>53509554
Well if they are law enforcement they should have their own guns. Also acquiering heavy ordance can be made into part of game.

I can see problem if you live in particulary bland place thou

>>53509582
Why would anyone get along with tzimisce?

>>53509604
>>53509618
Brussels.

>>53509582
The Tzimisce respect the Hermetics due to their shared dislike of the Tremere.

>>53509631
In a previous supplement there was a short little tidbit/mention of a Hermetic paying an old Tzimisce acquaintance a visit once. The vampire even had his flesh-twisted butlers attend to his guest.

>>53509481
A sleepy town deep in the south where mysterious disappearances of travelers have been reported. The creature that hunts around in the area knows not to prey on locals, but only attacks hostile creatures that disguise themselves as human. It serves as a protector, but to any outside uninformed observer it is just murdering random people.

>>53509582
>Order of Hermes hates those renegade faggots of ex-House Tremere
>Tzimisce hates those upstart Tremere faggots
Seems pretty straightforwards to me

>>53509647
>hermetic
>tzimisce
>acquaintances
>both hate the tremere

This has potential.

>>53509645
I dunno then. I wouldn't mind playing in Brussels or anywhere around those parts. Remember this is cofd/wod so you should shit up the city to make it more crime ridden/run down

I run my game in Warsaw in the 90s so it is a perfect cofd/wod shithole

>>53509645
>Brussels

Yeah, if they really need a gun, they can make a road trip to some beat up slum of Paris or Amsterdam. Or they can stick to melee.

If you wanna make acquiring weapons into a serious plot point, I'd stay at home. If not, then I suggest NYC - but I'm biased, seeing as I'm from New Jersey. West Coast gets too much attention in WoD.

New thread
>>53509873

>>53509481
there was a nwod book called Precinct 13 that dealt with all this shit,.

>>53507084

That's ok, we'll get it eventually.

>>53484143
It is a well known fact that the setting of Exalted is the past of the classic World of Darkness.

Do vampires have anuses? Cause that's why I wouldn't let this kid invade a vampire's anus in this RPG, right, I was GMing, and his character was an Anus Shade, with the power to possess and control the anuses of people and animals.. and I figured that vampires don't have anuses.

>>53514051
Yes, Vampires have anuses, but uh, I don't understand why you didn't just kick the kid out of the game. (unless it was a joke game)

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>>53507638
>I mean for one any fire of any type, even just a fucking spray can with a lighter, and they have to roll to not freak the fuck out and run.

Unless, they're a Koldun with points in the Way of Fire.

If that's the case, they subtract their "Way of Fire"-rating from the difficulty of any Courage rolls related to fire. If that drops the difficulty below two, the vampire simply ends up not feeling any fear from fire.

>>53507883
>Lighting a cigarette invokes a frenzy role. A weak one but it still does. Nothing about the fire needs to be threatening, it just happens.

*Insert John Cena's ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT here*

>Relatively innocuous stimuli, or stimuli directly under the character’s control, are unlikely to induce Rötschreck. For example, a character who sees a lit cigarette in a nightclub, or a screened-in fireplace in an ally’s home, might grow uneasy, but is unlikely to succumb to the Red Fear. If that same cigarette is pointed threateningly at the vampire, though, or the fireplace suddenly flares up…

~~ V20 Core Rolebook, page 299.

So for the people here that know their CofD. Is there any canon information for how Qashmallim interact with God Machine angels / unchained?
Working on a D:tD chronicle and the idea of dropping a legit, biblical angel on the PCs seems interesting/

>>53516037
isn't there also a sabbat ritual where you fire dance or something and get jacked resistances to be scared of fire?

>>53516037
He's playing NWoD though.

>>53517673

Not our fault he's making a mistake.