EDH/Commander General

>>53483266
Nope but i would like in my atraxa and my mikaeus.. any good artists You know?

thoughts on ultra pro satin tower? I need a deckbox

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>Thread Question
I'm running alters of these guys but I can't find one for Ayli.

>>53483368
http://imgur.com/a/tLS5s
http://imgur.com/a/SZC4Q

Give a look through those galleries. I know Dirty Mike has one, but I think Atraxa might be too new.

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>>53483266
>tfw you ask a question in the stale bread right as the new one pops out of the oven

>Thread Question
My friend made me these a few days ago for my birthday.

>>53483404
they're breddy gud

It can hold a double-sleeved deck, so that's a plus

>>53483462
oh they can? nice

>>53483431
Happy Birthday

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>>53483407
>tfw when MTG will never ever get full arts as cool as FoW
Shit, even Pokemon knows how to make cool full art cards. I'm really frustrated by how shitty the Amonkhet Invocations look.
maybe I'm just a weeb though

>>53483404
Satin tower is pretty good, it can easly hold a double sleeved deck with room to spare for some tokens. Only thing I don't like about it is the size can be a problem when you start packing multiple decks around.

>>53483407
Are there any more of these galleries?

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>>53483481
I'd be more OK with it without the Force of Will stamp and the summoning circle thing on the right, but it's still nicer than the invocations.

Anyone have experience with Thassa and care to share tips/your build?

>>53483541
I have no personal experience with her, but I'd like to put her into my Sygg, River Cutthroat deck (which is filled with some unblockable weenies and several blockable beatsticks.)

Imagine an unblockable Wrexial netting you a gorgeous spell from an opponent's graveyard.

Just put together a Trostani EDH deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/trostani-and-her-clone-legion/

The idea behind it was to use cards like Soul Foundry, Minion Reflector and Mimic Vat to create tokens of non-token creatures that had useful abilities (ETB's, LTB's, static buffs that scale well in multiples).

Haven't actually played with it yet, and I know there's a ton of good cards I'm still missing as you can see in the maybeboard, but any input would be appreciated.

Especially when it comes to creatures to copy repeatedly.

>>53483679

How about the angel from amonkhet?

>>53483753
Yeah I've seen a lot of people running that, my problem is that they get the shit back when it dies.

Temporary removal on a creature rarely works in EDH.

>Had a "fun" Leovold deck (it was mostly to out-"fun" the Derevi of our playgroup).
>Predictably he got banned
>Lots of good cards in there, I don't want to completely disassemble it.

I'm thinking of converting him to Tasigur. Most reliable wincon was control + self-mill into Labman. Do you think the wheels/box should remain in?

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>>53483781
>not wanting to run as many 'get in the bag' permanents as possible and forcing your opponents into a dilemma on when to wrath the board

suggestions?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/proliferate-ship/

inb4 just play atraxa

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>>53483988

>>53483266
I recently put a few lands I have altered into my new Noyan Dar deck so that if I have to animate a basic I can animate a fancy one. Gonna have to do all of them eventually, but I havnt much felt like painting recently.

>>53483988
Black Market and Dimir House Guard/Shred Memory might be useful

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Kinda want a waifu deck and I'm no scalie, so my Intet deck won't work.

How does Mayael the Anima play? Some ramp, then Fatties with ETB effects?

Is there a website where you can buy altered cards? Im kinda iffy about having one commissioned

Just tweaked my new deck after its first playtest:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/26-05-17-long-may-she-reign/?cat=custom&sort=

I have no clue what direction to go in. What do?

>>53484232
I'm sorry my autism is preventing me from evaluating those custom card groups

>>53484199
ive seen vendors on etsy

>>53483814
Anon asking about Azorius deck from last thread. The commander is Brago, so I obviously have a decent amount of creatures with ETB abilities, mana rocks, and enchantments that like to blink for draw or to change targets. My question is: Is it worth it to include more flicker sources as a backup just in case Brago gets hate or I can't cast him? I've got Deadeye, Turn to Mist, and Ghostly Flicker for now, but I wonder if more or less redundancy would be helpful. I'll keep Deadeye for sure, but I'm unsure about the other two. Turn to Mist seems like a good utility card for flickering creatures for effects or to dodge removal and Ghostly Flicker seems decent as a backup flicker card for various tricks.

I'm trying to strike a good balance between flicker stuff and general purpose cards/threats beside I'm going for more of a tempo deck rather than straight stax (meaning nothing like Tangle Wire, Winter Orb, etc.). I don't want my deck to fully depend on Brago, so I'm trying to strike a balance. Brago is obviously powerful and can sometimes end the game with one attack, but I need contingencies.

>>53484283
Didn't mean to quote >>53483814

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>>53484283
>Turn to Mist
Are you running its namesake? Also, Eldrazi displacer/mystifying maze are additional options.

>>53484181
Pretty much. She's a straightforward commander who wants to cheat in fatties. It's a simple kind of pleasure, but enjoyable nonetheless.

>>53484199
So I'm this Anon here
>>53483407
I comissioned a furfag on etsy to do mine, they turned out pretty nice. Only shame is he seems willing only to do foils so if you want a non-foil I think you're SOL.

>>53484319
I considered her, but the mana cost for her ability turned me off. Eldrazi Displacer and Mystifying Maze are interesting options I haven't considered though.

>>53483541
Newer stuff is full art without the stamp

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>>53484368
it also works with the deadeye pair, just a thought

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>>53484265
Nothing says Wheel of Fortune quite like Hunnipop

>>53484401
That's decently spicy, so I might chuck it in. I need to smooth out the rest of the deck to make sure I want more flicker cards first.

>>53484413
fucking red players man
there's a guy in our group who loves red and he wanna white-border his modern cards just to spite us

>>53484265
Thanks, ill check there. Ive only looked on ebay so far

Anyone know some super secret tech for RG Wort?

>>53484562
P L O W U N D ER

>>53484264
It makes for easy glance understanding of why each card is in there :/

>>53484723
Why Asha's Favor, Dimir Machinations, and Havoc Festival
With all your emphasis on not allowing anyone to gain life, why not have StP or even Condemn

>>53484855
Ashas favor on Marchesa or a token gives first strike, death touch, and flying, but I agree it is low power.

Dimir machinations grabs swords or blood moon, or I guess sunforger.

Havoc festival I actually just took out for darksteel collossus, as a backup bomb/in case I get milled

>>53484466
That absolute madman
Why didn't I think of that?

>>53485011
>Ashas favor on Marchesa or a token gives first strike, death touch, and flying, but I agree it is low power.

It's an aura that doesn't go back to the hand or whatnot so I don't give it a lot of value

>Dimir machinations grabs swords or blood moon, or I guess sunforger.

Why not Diabolic Intent?

>>53485038
Thats a good question. Havent had a chance to pick one up. If anything vamp tutor is next on the list.

Any cards that I'm missing from this?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ayli-clerical-errors/

Academy Rector and Land tax should be coming in some time next week, at which I'll probably drop Tree for another enchantment to make Rector that much better.

>>53485072
Serra Avatar and Phyrexian Processor

Theyre fucking lulzy

>>53484579
That's rather rude.

>>53485165
don't forget to conspire! after reverberating

>>53482211
That Temur one is fucking tight, oh baby

hi i'm looking for a card that i cant remember the name of.

it was a monoblue card that was some sort of animated spell scroll, and i think it was able to cast a spell exiled under it?

>>53484562
Depends. Are you going token spam or Bigass Fireballs?

What was the biggest dick move you've ever done, /tg/?

I just overloaded a Cyclonic Rift in response to a Windfall. The guy who casted it begged me not to counter it as his current hand was shit and wanted a fresh start.

>>53484325

Cool cool. I want a lower power deck for newbie players and when other people aren't being cut throat assholes.

>>53485418
not edh but still multiplayer, i killed my brother during a conspiracy draft on like turn 5
felt pretty dirty

>>53485418
I've lost count of how many times I have master Warcraft into a boros reckoner into a player with infinite tokens. It's like destroying a kid's sandcastle.

>>53485418
Last week a guy at my LGS cast a Ruination, when nobody countered it he just followed it up with an Armageddon.

Then another guy floats all his mana as his lands get blown up, and after the MLD guy spent the last of his mana, overloads a Cyclonic Rift.

He was super salty at getting all his manarocks bounced.

Then the guy who cyclonic rifted won as he had a Sylvan Library and a Gilded Lotus in play while everyone else had an empty board.

>>53485490
Master Warcraft doesn't let you choose which player the creatures attack. So that only works when it is 1v1, not if there's more than 2 players still alive.

>>53485514
>>53485490
Unless you are attacking him with the Boros Reckoner of course.

>>53485514
I'm attacking with the reckoner, and yes there are 2 other players. But the big thing is that they are thanking me for dealing with the biggest threat and we have a little more wiggle room to get shit done.

>>53485320
living lore

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>>53485418
I've posted it before but its been awhile so I can tell it again

>playing unedited 2016 decks because guy in group complained about power level
>get stuck with the garbage yidris against
power level crybaby playing atraxa and dudebro with gay kings
>get utterly devastated to the point where I know I won't win but decide to have some fun and cast cruel entertainment on atraxa and kings
>dudebro was topdecking and his draw is insurrection as he loudly announces it then taps all king's mana during upkeep so it empties at main phase
>spends 30 minutes deciding what to do with no mana available and only insurrection in hand
>gets butthurt and says I'm making the game complicated and tells me to take back my cruel entertainment
>do so and cast it again targetting dudebro and myself
>draw insurrection and use it to kill atraxa and let dudebro kill me next turn
>atraxa guy refuses to play with us anymore, specifically if I am there

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>>53483431
Those look dope. Also happy birthday
>>53483481
Full art MTG is already cool though but Wizards is lame and won't do it as a regular thing.

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Why wont xmage launch?

My deck is bad, I'm gay and dumb.

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>>53486107
>tfw no qt muscle bf to play EDH with

>>53485882
Take backs are not a cool thing, i dont know the guy but I can understand the annoying guy's rage at that game.
I would have made the dudebro come to a decision

elk tribal when?

>>53485418

>play that janky $40 Mike combo deck vs $350+ zombie tribal
>win 7 games in a row
>friend no longer wants to play

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>>53486146
>tfw bf is miles away from me and dropped mtg for vanguard
fug

>>53486174
Honestly the guy is insufferable he's always bringing precons or draft scraps knowing what we play and gets mad about not being able to deal with certain cards and when we tone down the power level he still complains. Regardless of the any interactions dudebro had the game set to win it was just the salt that made it a good story

>>53486261
Yeah now I get ya. I just hate takebacks.

>>53486274
Takebacks are crap I understand but he wanted it and the king's didn't care since he was more annoyed that the guy was taking forever

>>53486174
We allow takebacks as long as:
>Nobody has drawn a card
>Nobody has made a decision based on the action that would be taken back
>No additional cards have been revealed since the action was taken

So you can play a land and then say "Whoops, meant to play my other land" or if you tapped both your black mana for a 2U spell and realize you wanted to cast something with B in the cost, you can retroactively tap a different land instead, etc.

We have too many sloppy players too used to sloppy play to really get any traction with hardlining the rules, so this was a "fair" concession.

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Altered cards? Yes I have some. I did these myself. And still make some more

>>53486749
I think that's a perfectly reasonable way to do it because it doesn't really affect much. Everyone makes people mistakes and if no one has done anything yet then it shouldn't be an issue to correct them.

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>thread about altered cards
>people posting weeb shit

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>>53483266
My phone made this picture much larger than it needed to be but this is the only alter I've got.

>work at the main HQ of one of the big 4 tech companies
>they have an unofficial weekly EDH night that 6-12 people show up to
>decks are surprisingly underpowered for a table where the average salary is 6 figures
huh, kinda interesting. I've played with them a few times and never saw a true dual land and maybe only 2 mana crypts

How does Prison Term work with cards with activated abilities? If there is already a Prison Term out and somebody plays Jhoira and I declare I'm moving it onto her, can they pay her ability cost multiple times in response? What about trying to move it onto a Sakura-Tribe Elder?

>>53487219
they just want to have fun. probably just something small they play every now and then. otherwise doesn't matter

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>>53487129
>That Bosh

>>53487293
provided the ability doesn't require tapping/the creature has haste, the controller can activate it in response to the Prison Term seeing it ETB

>>53487293
>can they pay her ability cost multiple times in response?

Yes.

>What about trying to move it onto a Sakura-Tribe Elder?

They can just sac it.

On the other hand, you don't decide whether or not you'll be moving it until you're resolving the ability. When they play the Jhoira, all you have to say is that the trigger is put on the stack. They have to decide whether or not to spend the mana now, or wait and see if you decide to put the enchantment on her.

Reminder that if you run Survival of the Fittest, you're a spike who should not be playing a 100 card singleton format because you clearly don't enjoy it in concept or execution.

>>53487865
I run SotF and shitload of tutors in my Ghave deck.
I also play Ayli cleric tribal, Brion fast returns, Rith tokens and other varied powerlevel decks.
Fight me.

>>53484562
spells that gains more card advantage
looting, cantrips, graveyard retrieval, and my fave is land ramp/hate. preferably cards that do or remove two things or can recur itself for more usage.

thinking about running her with zada/cantrips for a draw engine. wort can turn cantrips into instant speed draw twos until zada comes and turns it into draw ten or so.

>>53486098
>Java not found
>Why does this Java based software doesn't run

modern nerd here, can something like this but with all the $10+ cards subbed out for cheaper stuff compete with precons?
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/631817#online

>>53487058
Do you forget where you are, friend?

>>53488340
>something like this but with all the $10+ cards subbed out
You mean something that's nothing like this? That's like 70% of cards you're swapping out of that. Try maybe finding something more budget from the get go instead of starting from the most expensive possible point and trying to compromise form there.

Seeing as I can't see a gA thread anywhere, maybe I can find my answers here.
If I have a Solitary Confinement on the board and my opponents have a guttersnipe and a blood artist on the board do their abilities hit me seeing as they don't specifically target a player? ("each player" rather than "target player")

Also, redpill me as to why my next deck shouldn't be Arjun Miracles

>>53488520
If it doesn't say target, it doesn't target.

Guttersnipe gets around shroud, but the damage prevention stops it. Blood Artist isn't damage, but it is stopped by shroud.

>>53488520
Blood artist targets, Guttersnipe hits you but doesn't do damage. However, Zulaport Cutthroat hits you and you lose life.

And you shouldn't, because miracles are really limited in just UR, netting you just 6 cards you can play, Thunderous Wrath being pretty much unplayable.

>>53488554
>>53488588
Thanks for that. I'll have to inform my table about that for next game, I got screwed by them then.

Yeah I guess it's not a great idea, just the thought of wheeling into miracles sounded lulzy, and a way to win with Arjun that isn't just labman. Back to the drawing board

>>53488716
Nothing wrong with that, but unfortunately you still have to draw the miracle card first with his ability, so you'll need a hefty amount of topdeck manipulation either way, without proper benefits really.

>>53488511
ok thanks

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oh my god I just btfo someone so fucking hard on xmage

>testing out my budget skittles deck that i intend to use to grief my friends
>join a 1v1 competitive game because my deck doesn't really fit into casual
>it's a guy playing 5-color hermit druid
>he drops a t2 hermit druid
>have no idea how hermit druid combo works, so play a land and pass the turn
>he taps hermit druid, brings 2 creatures on the board, sacs them to dread return, targets angel of glory's rise in his graveyard (assuming this is the most optimal situation for him because he went ^^ in chat)
>welp
>pic related happens
>he says nothing
>mills himself the next turn
>leaves in the mulligan phase the next game, 2-0 him

>>53484368
>mana cost turned me off
This is the EDH thread, right...?

>>53485418
Oh man, you don't even know.

>cast overloaded cyclonic rift with warped devotion
>everyone groans, discards basically their entire hands
>immediately copy mindleech mass with dimir doppleganger
>smack the simic player
>the dumbass had omniscience in his hand
>everyone immediately scoops
>show my hand that included Rite of Replication, Massacre Wurm, Necrogen Mists, Jin Gitaxias and Blightsteel

>>53490770
EDH or not, I still need mana to cast things or use abilities. Practicality is still important.

>>53490686
>Angel of Glory's Rise
I'm interested. Lab man+Azami?
Usually it's Necrotic Ooze because it's less fragile.
Pretty good play though, shame if you didn't get any fanmail though

>>53490816
And flickering 3cmc ETB creatures for 4 mana instant speed as many times as you want is bad, because...?

>>53490770
Nobody cares about your 8.3 curve, wigger. Battlecruiser metas are the cancer metas

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>>53490860
You used a bunch of words that didn't make sense, even with hyperbole included. Perhaps you should reevaluate your grasp of the english language before slinging insults.

Or, in your vernacular:
>"Bitch plz, dis formatizzle is casualrizzle. You better step ya jive turkey before I dab a cap in ya momma's behind".

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>>53490860
4 mana to abuse a late game ETB trigger is hardly a "8.5 curve" , retard.

>>53490831
>I'm interested. Lab man+Azami?
yeah, he had those cards in his graveyard.

imp's mischief has finally found a good home. i bought it a long time ago because i loved its spicy goodness but couldn't figure out a good deck for it until now

>>53490899
Just get good with the proper 4chan meme lingo so you don't look like a total square.
Know the 'chon to be the cool duder

>>53490840
I didn't call it bad, I just said that I'm weary of using because it's 4 cmc and I usually need to start flickering early. That and I'm trying to not solely rely on flickering. It's a pretty decent card, but I'm not sure what to take out for it.

>>53490977
If you aren't flickering as a main strategy, I can see your point. Might as well just stick with Eerie Interlude or Ghostaway to act as a responds to wraths then.

>>53490927
I don't think he was referring to the 4 mana card specifically (I'm the anon who asked for suggestions) and was likely more referring to the statement that other anon made about how worrying about mana cost isn't like EDH general.

>>53490927
Just that "mana costs are irrelevant in EDH" attitude is bad that radiated from the post.
That said, Eldrazi Displacer is way better than DEN

>>53490927
Also I didn't realize you were talking about Mystifying Maze. That shit can't even be used on your creatures, so who the fuck cares

>>53491006
And both are better, period. Redundancy is important in EDH, especially if you aren't loaded up with 5 tutors.

>>53490965
>this guy
The last time I heard someone called "wigger" was 2005ish. I seriously doubt that's proper "meme lingo"

>>53491001
Flickering is my usual win con (typically via Alter of the Brood and copied Brago triggers), but since I'm playing a tempo list I want to have a lot of flexibility and I don't want to overly rely on flickering just in case I catch too much hate.

>>53491038
It's a meme you dip. You should of known

>>53491026
I thought he was talking about Mistmeadow Witch whose ability is also four mana.

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>>53491049
>You should of known
This guy.

>>53491079
it's also a meme. you goon

>>53491006
No one said mana costs are irrelevant in EDH, just that complaining about a highly abusable ability costing 4cmc without the need to tap it isn't something most EDH decks need to worry about. If you are flickering something like Duplicant, you are generating card advantage by not playing something and repeating spot removal with just 2 cards on board, all for just 4 mana.

>>53491006
I'd say that DEN > Eldrazi Displacer myself since its flicker ability costs less, doesn't need anus mana, and doesn't bring the creature back tapped.

>>53491075
Huh. Well, all of the cards were talked about and I just instantly connected the 4 mana with Mystifying Maze. I have never played MMW in any of my decks

>>53491116
Sure, but I feel like that the anus mana is only fair point, although in any game I have lots to spare from mana rocks. DEN still costs more and it's dependant on the soulbond, which means that it's fairly easy to respond to with a kill spell, and also it can't blink opponent's creatures, which can be a huge advantage every so often.
With DEN, it can protect itself somewhat, unless your opponents play properly, but Displacer probably would have been way too powerful if it could've targeted itself.

>>53491112
Not only that, but Evokes g Mulldrifter for 3, flickering for 4 on the stack, will generate 4 cards and a 2/2 flyer for 7 mana.

The Witch can pull off some good late game synergy for those who can understand how powerful instant speed repeatable flickers can be.

>>53491211
I'll probably use both for redundancy's sake. I usually have a decent amount of sources of anus mana at a time anyway.

>>53491253
I'd say that all Mistmeadow Witch, DEN and Displacer are auto-includes in any blink deck that is UWx, which is usually the case anyway. If there's green included, I would also play Temur Sabretooth, which is damn good, although you still need to cast creatures again you bounce.

How many Counterspell should an EDH deck have if Countering isn't their thing?

I always feel like if I don't see one at least once late game, I'm just going to get Wrathed off the board before pushing for a win.

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>>53483266
pretty shit desu

but I love it

>>53491298
here's the numbers for card categories that i use, depending on their role

>35-40: cards i need 3-4 in my starting hand, ie. lands
>15-25: cards that i need 1-3 in my starting hand (15 corresponds 1, 25 corresponds 3), like good recurrable targets in a recur deck, or ramp in a ramp deck
>9-15: cards that i need about 1 of in my starting hand or a few turns later, like a draw spell
>5-8: cards that i need about 1 by turn 5, like a board wipe or something like that
>1-5: cards that i don't need except in rare lategame situations, like a very high cmc or niche wincon

i'd go with 5-8 counterspells in your case

>>53491297
Would you take those three over other flicker spells like Turn to Mist or Ghostly Flicker? I'm trying to figure out how many I should settle with.

Also, is Angel of Serenity worth a slot as a curve topper? I have Fiend Hunter, O-Ring, and Detention Sphere for the ol' flicker on the stack to perma while trick and I was wondering if she'd be worth it as a big exile effect on a decent body.

>>53491418
What the fuck is this mess?
>2 mana costs
>Venser as card, Linessa as art
I don't like it. It's too messy. Why even use another card as art, that's confusing as hell, at least I usually recognise the cards from the art.

>>53491298
I usually take about 5. The usual suspects are Negate, Arcane Denial, Remand, Counterspell, and Swan Song. Sometimes I use different ones depending on the color combo, like Plasm Capture in GU or Cryptic Command in mono-U.

>>53491424
>>53491465

Here is the deck in question (obviously still a work in progress).

Some choices are there for flavor purposes. and I intentionally left out the boots in mainboard because this deck is a part of a series I'm building with all the original Primeval Dragons (as a way to get new players into EDH, so I wanted to keep the decks in check with each other somewhat).

>>53491546
Derp. Here's the link:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/crosis-the-purger-primeval-1/

>>53491433
Well, I would run definitely Fiend Hunter, but also I would definitely run Leonin Relic-Warder. They're way easier to blink as they're creatures than Detention Sphere or O-ring, which are still good in my books.

The 1 shot instants are okay, if you can recur them somewhat easily

>>53491610
Archaeomancer + Ghostly Flicker is a good combo for repeatable flicker.

>>53488115
I have java installed though

>>53491632
>>53491610
Archaeomancer is what I've got at the moment, yeah. It's done decent work so far.

>>53491632
Yeah, Archeomancer is probably the best, although Mnemonic Wall and Izzet Chronarch work as well, but IC is red.
I would use Greenwarden, E-Witness, Genesis (although that doesn't do anything on ETB), Nucklavee, if you play red, Skullwinder is also playable. There's also one in Jeskai that returns a nonland noncreature card.

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>>53491458
it is messy for sure
ive got a couple other art swap cards that i really like, actually, this one isnt the best.
>null profusion on a counterspell
>oculus on an island
pic related on a rhystic study
multi-tcg altering

>>53490860
>8.3 curve
Please show me this curve, I've tried to make a functioning deck with as high a curve as possible and the highest I could get was 7.0 before it collapsed.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/big-bad-monstrosities/

>>53491972
Why? Is there any reason why you chose those arts for those cards, because none of them really fits at all. It seems like kind of if you used a radically different pair of shoes in each foot.

Can anyone lend me their Alesha or Shu Yun decklists? Extra brownie points for both.

>>53491418
Was that painted with nail polish?

>>53484181
>waifu deck
>not playing selvala-tan, monogreen goddess
come on fampai

>>53486182
>vanguard

I think BF is probably fucking little boys by now, dude.Sorry

>>53483266
>Do you have any altered cards in your decks?
I do have an extended art Grim Monolith and Guru Top in my Kozilek and Hanna decks respectively. No pictures on hand, but I did find the Top featured in a Youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_dUT6WohP4

>>53492296
Playing mono green locks you out from all other colors of waifu.

So I got the atraxa precon for cheap and made some modifications but the deck is still shit, figured /edhg/ would get a laugh out of it

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-worst-atraxa-deck-online/

>>53488340
that but made with only 10$ could compete with the precons lol

>>53492995

>No Tainted Strike
>No Triumph of the Horde
>No Grafted Exoskeleton
>No Corrupted Conscience

These cards kill players, and in Tainted Strike's favor, it doesn't even need to be your creatures to pull it off.

>>53485882
>>playing unedited 2016 decks
>>dudebro was topdecking and his draw is insurrection
SOMETHING'S FUCKY

>>53492995
I'm sort of in the same boat with the precon, and made a list of tweaks I could possibly use. Atraxa is a cool as fuck commander to run, but the precon is a little "meh" right out of the box. Great for dissecting into other decks, though.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breed-lethality-tweaks-1/

>>53487958
>running Zada/cantrips for a draw engine
Holy fuck why didn't I think of running Zada it's been staring me in the face this whole time.

>>53493350
Black Mike doesn't work all that well with proiferate. You're also missing Magistrate Sceptre, Sage of Hours, Lux Cannon, Everflowing Chalice, Spike Weaver, Archangel of Thune, Glen Elendra Archmage, Grim Affliction, Spread the Sickness, Retribution of the Ancients, Abzan Battlepriest and Mikaeus the Lunarch

>>53493622
>Black Mike doesn't work all that well with proiferate
How do you figure? It isn't like you're forced to proliferate the targets you're looking to abuse, and anything in a deck that forces -1/-1 counters on your own guys essentially becomes "unkillable" with Mike on the board.

>>53484562
Seedtime

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Looking for better removal in monoblack, especially for enchantments and indestructible creatures.

As for stuff in the latter case, has anybody played with pic related? Is it good? I'd prefer it if it didn't flip all the way to another creature, I feel like that only increases the chances of getting burned compared to Chaos Warp.

>>53494149
monored*

>>53493844
Well Atraxa's precon is built to proliferate +1/+1 i was assuming you were to upgrade the main strategy of the precon, so tu pump out big dudes with +1/+1 counters on them, and that's a nonbo with Mike. On the other end if you're going for the polar opposite strategy of putting -1/-1 coutners on things then i agree that he's a powerhouse

>>53494149
generally speaking, and this is my opinion:

if your color has a clear weakness, don't try to remedy it with shitty, weak solutions. only play cards that you'd play in other colors too. would you play Scour from Existence in esper colors? no? then don't bother using it in monored. would you use All is Dust in esper? sounds decent right? works in monored too. if your only options are shit, then don't even bother with them. instead just put in cards that actually help your deck do what it wants to do. this means: put more goblins in krenko so you can swarm out faster, or put more combat tricks in zada so you can kill everyone more reliably.

with that said, the best removal for monored and monoblack are colorless board wipes.

>all is dust
>nevi disk
>boompile
>oblivion stone

those are pretty much your best options. 4 board wipes is more than enough for monored.

>>53494149
by the way, does divergent transformations and zada work the way you'd hope they would?

>have zada and 6 goblin tokens on the board
>target zada with the spell twice
>spell gets copied (?) and hits all the tokens also
>get 7 FREE creatures for 4 mana

or does it not work because it needs to only target zada and the targeting two thing fucks it up somehow

>>53494347
You can't target Zada twice any more than you can Hex the same creature six times.

>>53494149
You put it in an artifact or tokens deck with very few creatures and use it on your own animated artifacts, man lands or tokens for value.

I run it in my dretti decks, where my only creatures are blightsteel and butcher of truth.

>>53494517
i feel like that could make for a pretty capable combo deck (for what it's worth, considering how silly competitive edh is)

>grixis colors
>3 colors worth of sorcery tutors
>only 2 creatures, like kiki and zealous conscripts
>turn 1 tutor for divergent transformations
>turn 2 cast it with mana crypt gg ez

>>53494648
oh yeah i guess you'd need some cheapo partner commanders you can cast so that you can actually target divergent memes

>>53494648
You're still gonna need 2 creatures to exile, shithead.
Besides, if you're in Grixis, just use a better creature combination, such as Mike&Trike, that can at least win instant speed. What if someone removes one of your pieces? What if you draw one of your creatures? That kind of gimmick deck isn't even close of being competitive, outside of maybe a bad pubstomp deck, as it's way too fragile, and if you can't finish the combo for some reason, what are you going to do? Having that as plan A and being the only plan is dumb.

Rant was maybe a little autist-y, but do you think of your posts?

>>53494775
>but do you think of your posts?
no

dont tell me you actually thinkpost... anon?

>>53494517
I was considering that too, actually, because the deck I'm looking at it for is Feldon, so there would be an ok chance of pulling out some nasty fatties.

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Made by one of my friends, what do you guys think?

>>53494905
The right arm looks really weird for some reason.

>>53492930
monogreen is the only waifu, don't believe blue's lies

>>53494905
good use of color

the face is kinda wonky though

>>53494692
If you wanted to do it in Mono-Red, you could use Kari Zev.

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>>53494905
I prefer the other style of full-art.

>>53492425
no he isn't shut up

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My friends keep biching that my decks are too strong, so i chose to make a warewolf deck.
i'm sticking with commander not because he is good
but because he is not
so how do i make it be able to hold up in my play groop?
any secret tech with him or wearwolfs? or tech that helps when they flip or forces them to flip?

this is my deck so far

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/657483#paper

>>53495355
Can you be sure of that?

>>53494838
I actually want working decks, not centered around one stupid gimmick, like relying on commander for the deck to work.

>>53495800
How did you spell werewolf wrong two different ways?

>>53495115
I love the pose, she's like "I guess" as if she's fed up with all the shitters around her, like thirsty fanboys

>>53483679
I checked my Trostanni deck and its sideboard anf here's some of the things I use:

(the ones with a * are the cards who are:
-good
- dirt cheap when I first build it)

> Archangel of thune, *Luminate Primordial, *SÉANCE!!! *Pelakka wurm, ondu giant, *angel of serenity, caller of the pack, *thragtusk, *hornet queen, *trostanni's summoner (obligatory and even in flavor) , *Armada wurm, herald of the host, *ulvenwald hydra, it that betrays, *artisan of kozilek, angel of glory's rise (if the revive trigger interests your deck), eternal witness, terastodon, *woodland bellower, *greenwarden of murasa, fierce empath, *avenger of zendikar, *twilight shepherd, *acidic slime, wurmcoil engine.

Other sinnergistic cards for a Trostanni deck:

> *Serra avatar, alhammaret's archive, *well of lsot dreams, momentous fall, *voracious wurm, angelic accord, Emmara tandris

Seance is great because you get to populate the token and while the card is exiled you can still populate the token once per turn with Trostanni.

>>53483679
Giant Adephage

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>>53496580
Im a faggot, how could I had forgotten that.
H*LY

restoration angel too and eldrazi displacer also

>>53496264
autocorrect is not my friend

>>53495800
Please tell me you didn't make a trip just for this thread

what's a decent deck i can build with 100 bucks?

Anyone have any interesting games lately?

I won with Kambal through literally no fault of my own. I could have sworn I was dead, but the Zur player had been forced to exile so many of his Enchantments he didn't think he had anything to pull from his deck and didn't bother to look. I managed to use three Extort triggers to get him to 1 - literally the max damage I could do that turn. And he had Phyrexian Arena down.

It turned out he could have pulled a Banishing Light or other O-Ring type effect and gotten rid of one of my Extort guys. I should not have won.

A better win came through last night with Niv-Mizzet. Sphinx Bone Wand and Chandra's Spitfire were on the table and I managed to Spelltwine two draw spells and play Increasing Vengeance and Reverberate on one. That was a two-in-one kill turn.

>>53497036
That's the only good reason to make a trip: for a single thread so you can have a more clear discussion, such as when you're asking for help with a specific problem.

>>53497157
But... it's not like anybody's going to impersonate him. He could just put it in the name field without making a trip

I mean, it's really not a big deal, just seems like a bit of a wasted effort

>>53497240
True, true, but I'm not going to lambaste better trip usage.

>>53497056
What's your meta like?

>>53497240
>just seems like a bit of a wasted effort
Considering most 4chan plugins and even the site itself remembers those things the only effort you have is typing the trip the first time around.

>>53497056
You probably want to go with something monocolor so you aren't wasting money on your land base, other than that what do you like to play?

>>53497056
Some dude on Reddit (I know) did a really cool under $5 and under $10 deck thing.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/under-5-edh-deck/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/under-10-edh/
Try these as a base.

>>53497123
And this folks is why you should always search, just so you can say "Fail to find".

>>53497123
I recently won a game with Feldon with slow-mo extra-disruptable Insurrection.
>Feldon's been killed at least four times now and I'm at ~3 health
>a hasty Malignus + Gratuitous Violence on the board early i
>the two other surviving players are both at pretty high life totals and are preparing to take each other on but I'm not dead yet and I still have Feldon out long enough for one last hurrah
>equip Thornbite Staff to Feldon
>Cast Conquering Manticore, gain control of somebody else's creature
>sac Manticore to Ashnod's Altar
>Feldon untaps from Thornbite Staff
>use the two colorless to help activate Feldon's ability again to put out a token copy of the Manticore, gain control of another creature
>Repeat as many times as I have mountains and take control of every creature on the board
>swing out for the win
This is probably the funnest deck I've ever piloted, to be honest. I love pulling off shit like this.

>>53497348
That $5 deck is just screaming for Clinging Mists, although hilariously that would almost double the price.

>>53497348
>>53497417
Er, I meant Constant Mists.

>>53497443
I was going to say I didn't really see how that was supposed to work.

>>53497348
On the Uril deck, Unflinching Courage is just 18 cents; why not have it in the original list?

Also I love jank lists like that $5 Angry Borbs, money limitations always bring the weird overlooked stuff into play.

>>53497443
>>53497348
that looks hilarious. thanks

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>>53497240
wasted effort?
all you have to do is type
example #example
in the name field
trips are used to help discussion and clarity in individual threads then be discarded afterwards
please don't talk when you have no idea what you are talking about

>>53497036
>Uses trip properly
>Hurrr what the fuck ur not namefagging you retard?!?!?

I want summer to leave.

>>53497951
I guess you have a point, I've never really needed a trip. I must have mixed them up with secure trips, which I thought took a bit more effort than that.

>>53498003
I'm more used to OPs using them I guess
I didn't mean to make a big deal out of it or anything

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How do I build pic related? Her abilities don't seem that great to build around, and I don't play that much of her colors.

>>53497123

>Playing Intet dragon tribal
>Against Trostani and Tasigur
>I've mostly managed to keep the Trostani player from getting too far ahead in life, he's at about 50 life
>Has an Ant Queen and Cathar's Crusade on the table
>Tasigur player is mostly focused on his board state, has a copy of my Intet to keep me from attacking and a Kiora the Crashing Wave emblem
>Trostani player swings with a big beastie at Tasigur to force him to keep him from building a Kraken army
>I have Hellkite Charger, Intet, and Seige Dragon, along with Dragon Speaker Shaman and Dragonlord's Servant
>Get two combats off with all my dragons against Trostani player, he's down to 10 life.
>His turn
>Plays True Conviction
>Between his ants and other tokens, he's throwing 48-ish damage at me, and 90-ish damage at Tasigur
>After blocks (throwing away my Dragonlord's Servant) , I'm down to 9 life and Tasigur is down to 2ish while Trostani has gone up to 148 life
>Tasigur player scoops, says I should do the same
>Fuck that, I want to go down swinging
>Draw for turn, last land I need to pull off three combat steps from Hellkite Charger
>Three combats steps later, only 51 damage
>That's enough to say I went down with a fight...
>Wait, Commander Damage!
>Realize I've won
>Declare it
>Trostani player laughs, says I've earned it for playing it out
>No salt at all

Was a pretty good game. I have better decks, but I love my dragons.

>>53498410
Hatebear Tribal.

>>53498410
Kitchen Finks and Cauldron of Souls are good inclusions.

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Is there anyway to deal with this fucker?

One guy in my playgroup always runs it and it seems near impossible to deal with the deck. He often ends up winning on the first swing as well unless he somehow manages to miss on any extra turn/extra combat cards.

>>53498410
lifeline

>>53499140
Edict effects
Nevermore effects
Reins of Power+Bazaar Trader for permanent steal effect

>>53484199
Local Pro cards on Magiccardmarket has a pretty good selection of alters. I think they only ship to Europe though. https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/Users/LocalProCards

>>53499140
Nevermore, armaggedon, artifact removal, bounce, sacrífice effects like renounce the guilds...

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>>53499167
>wait what does that --
Oh, that is filthy.

>>53483404
best deck box out there outside customer shit

>>53499140
counter spells

>>53498410
stax/hate

>>53483801
Unfortunately "competitive EDH" autists ruin Commander. Zur, Jeleva, and Oloro are literally unplayable because of them because whenever you sit down with them people are rightfully scared of them even if its a custom build thats not that good.

>>53484413
This is so autistic

>>53499989
I feel like Tazri got hit by that the worst. He's the only proper commander for an Ally Tribal. Unfortunately, Zulaport Cuthroat, Eternal Scourge, and Food Chain exist.

>>53497348
These look like fun! Thanks for sharing.

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>>53492114
mana vault with a yugioh card for bonus points

>>53500103
Those are hideous.

>>53483266
need recommendations for alters of my ravos soultender for my cleric tribal any ideas?

>>53487865
Survival of the Fittest is way less oppressive then some other cards like Necropotence

>>53498410
Rest in Peace + Helm
Her + Helm
Tutors

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>>53500290

>>53500091
Its awful. I just dont get how anyone can find competitive EDH enjoyable. Im not saying that all decks need to be 7 cmc average garbage with unplayable cards but when you have decks like Tazri, Jeleva, and Zur which can just end the game turn 4 with counterspell backup its fucking awful and theres no fun at all involved in it.

>>53500549
I absolutely do understand it though. Not why some people would bring Doomsday Zur to their LGS, but why some groups gather specifically to play competitive EDH. It's an agreement between all of them, that they're going to try to win as quickly and efficiently as possible, there's not going to be 15 turns of drawgo because no one has any hard win conditions, and, this may be only my experience, when you see that you've lost you scoop with no hard feelings. Again, it's anecdotal, but the more competitive people I've played against are much more willing to say "Good game, onto the next one," and really mean it.

>>53500661
Playgroups who choose to be competitive have every right to do so just as playgroups who choose to play decks under $100 deserve to have that too
My issue comes from when people say "want to play some Commander?" And you and a couple other guys say "Sure" and one fucker pulls out the pubstomp deck when its obvious no one else is playing a deck in that category. Its fucking cancerous. When you see a table of low tier commanders for fun and you pull out Jeleva Storm or Derevi Stax knowing you are about to crush the table and no ones except you is going to enjoy the game. Its like going up to a casual with a draft chaff deck and pulling out your tier 1 Legacy deck when they ask for a game.

>>53485339
Bigass fireballs

>want to spend $350 on cards

>the motherfucking shit is out of stock

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>>53483407
Holy Shit i need that Oona!!
had a few proxies done by an etsi shop but could never decide on a art that i wanted done for her and that is perfect!
do you have the original picture for that art?

also here are the ones i had mad for me

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>>53501095

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>>53491418
Thank Raptor Jesus you spoiler tagged that horror...

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>>53501128

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>>53491418
WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN

>>53501095
>>53501128
>>53501201
>generic anime shit
I don't know why I expected better.

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>>53498519

>>53483407
There are a lot of altered art actually, on Google atraxa is even there

>>53483266
>>53483481
FoW and other weebo art is horrendous and hope it stay out of MTG
cartoons dont fit the fantasy setting

I've been watching some 1vs1 EDH on Twitch, and damn, the format looks great. Why are you still playing the autistic multiplayer crap when a much better alternative is available?

>>53501467
The cute waifus look much better than the endless parade of strong womyn that we're getting from Wizards.

>>53501631
because the edh banlist is not suited for 1v1

>>53501758
It's not suited for any form of play.

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In the event I have Training Grounds out and I use Kaho's ability to cast Scour from Existence does it cost 5 or 7 to do?

>>53499140
Gaddock Teeg

>>53501673
This, desu.

>>53501799
5

>>53501799
5 since Training Grounds reduces the cost that you pay for the activated ability, so you're technically still paying 7.

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>>53501838
>>53501673

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>>53501673
>not wanting both

>>53501962
>Kristen Stewart Thalia being better than qt Thalia
no

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>>53501962
I much prefer pic related, senpai.

Does anyone here have a competitive 1vs1 deck? Is there a decent, cheap blue/green deck?

>>53502107
if youre not playing duel commander, edric spymaster of trest

hes so good he was banned in duel. also pretty damn cheap to build

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it's a "find a random legendary on magiccardsinfo episode"


i uuuh, am not so sure on this one

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>>53491418

>>53502212
With the new set, there's probably a lot of good shit for Skeleton Ship.

>>53502307
would be sweet to have access to green

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Oh baby what a day

>2 LabMan wins with new deck
>Slapped the shit out some people with Karn-animated artifacts after an All Is Dust
>Destroyed most of a guy's mana base with Strip Mine & Wasteland

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What decks do you play?
What spicy techs do you want to use?
What decks do you want to build?

>>53502047
You probably also prefer cock

>>53502682
>What decks do you play?
None because no playgroup.
>What spicy techs do you want to use?
Everything.
>What decks do you want to build?
Everything.

>>53484413
>having hands a quarter the size of your face
Wow that art is terrible

I'd like some advice for my Bruna deck.
I haven't playtested it extensively yet (just 1v1 vs a 80% Prossh and multi against 2016 precons)
it seems fairly consistent even with the Timmy cards I kept (Decree of Silence, ecc ecc)

https://deckstats.net/deck-13224347-3f1ba93268e92f705bdb3e32abc3b0cd.html

>>53502682
Stop posting this shit every thread.

>>53502996
>every thread
Nigga what, I haven't posted in a long ass time.
As far as I know it has been a week at least.

>>53502715
I'm not the one with a boner for Dyke McManface. Don't badmouth Holo, faggot. .

So is Commander Anthology "worth it", particularly for someone who has zero commander decks or products? It has Heavenly Inferno (Kaalia), Evasive Maneuvers (Derevi), Guided by Nature (Freyalise), and Plunder the Graves (Meren) with a 165 msrp.

>>53503231
I think it would be worth it to buy it and keep it stock for a boardgame like experience but it is also okay value if you just want 4 decks to start playing with. What's retail price?

>>53503349
>$165 for anthology
Nevermind don't fucking do that. Wait until it drops in price holy shit.

>>53503231
No. You're better off buying singles.

>>53503231
commander products only ever have like 4-7 decent cards in them, you honestly better off just buying singles unless you just want a shitty deck

>>53503231

I'm personally buying the foils and that's it

>Wasting 100$ in jank fodder and plastic shit when you can just waste 60$ on the foiled commanders

>>53503773
i thought anthologies were all foil

What are some good bombs to drop with Vial-Smasher? I'm gonna do something dumb and make an Infect deck with Vial-Smasher and Sidar Kondo

>>53503976
mind's dilation is GOAT if you ever go into blue but in rakdos, wound reflection is bretty gud

>>53503994
>mind's dilation

i fucking love that card, literally have it in every single blue deck i have

>>53503724
Unless you are just starting out, like that guy, and need lots of staples.

>>53504015
i mean i guess but most staples are not exactly expensive

>>53503994
That's neato. Maybe I'll think about dropping Vial-Smasher for a different partner

What good shit does blue have for Infect? This would basically be a weenies/tokens deck with a bigass Overrun-type finisher

>>53503231
No, you are better off getting the individual products, though you are kinda shit out of luck since the next commander cycle is 5 color whatever the fuck.

Your best bet is to find older commander stuff for MSRP or better. Check your FLGS, or walmart. Lots of people have been able to find commander product for MSRP when it is selling for a hell of a lot more at big box stores.

>>53504052
the most relevant colors for infect are BUG, blue has unblockable dudes with infect as well as overall evasion and proliferate and draw and tempo and tutor and pillowfort

>>53503976
Just build Saskia. She's a crazy good general for Infect, since you can brain 2 people on a lethal swing

>>53504104
Blue has a single unblockable body with Infect, in Blighted Agent. Also fuck BUG in general, shit's boring.

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>Normal EDH group hasn't been meeting the last few weeks due to scheduling conflicts
>Thinking about going to LGS to try and get some games but I know it's a terrible idea

Rebuilding Zada due to my group's current obsession with Kingdoms (crappy sorta-team-based variant)

Should I go the combat tricks route, or unending token spam route?

>>53503215
>every woman that isnt anime has a manface
Do you even know what a manface is? Plenty of mtg art has manface but that isnt an example

>>53504398
Zada should do both

>>53504429
I messed around with a build on xmage that focused a lot less on the buffs like Fists of the Anvil, and more on just shitting out tokens and drawing cards, and it was scary fast. Especially with 0 cost creatures like the Kobolds and Ornithopter into an Empty the Warrens

>>53503231
>$165
jesus no

$120 is the max that anyone should pay for this

>>53491424
>15-25 ramp spells
jesus fuck

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>>53483266
I alter cards, here is a recent one of mine.

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>>53504745

I'm supposed to help someone make a sliver commander deck soon and I was wondering, how differently do each of the sliver commanders play? Does it matter which one we use or is one of them better or make for a different style of play or something?

>>53504852
They all play pretty differently.
Sliver Queen is fast combo/control
Sliver Overlord is consistency combo
Sliver Legion is aggro/zerg
Sliver Hivelord is aggro/voltron

Sliver Queen is my favorite.

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If you had the chance to design one card for you and you alone to use what would it be?

>Try not to be ridiculously broken.

Sorry for the bad card formatting,
site I used is limited.

>>53504916
Awesome, thank you! That'll help us decide what to do.

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>>53504745
>>53504785

I like it.

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name a more political commander

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>>53505245

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>>53505245

>>53505011
>If you had the chance to design one card for you and you alone to use what would it be?
Split Second Word of Command.

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>>53505339
>that oracle text on Word of Command
So from my understanding, it's "BB: look at target player's hand, and use their mana to cast a spell under your control."

Do I have that right? That oracle text is a real clusterfuck.

>>53498410
Anafenza and the Hydra Boys

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>>53491418
I like it!

>>53505245
I can't
He IS the pinnacle!

>>53505867
Yeah, with some stupid extra test to maintain alpha functionality. That and the ability of your victim to burn their mana on instants/abilities in response is why the card badly needs an update (Much like Interdict to Trickbind)

>>53505011
A free sac outlet in white

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>>53505011
i would give werewolf' a good commander
something with either
>anthem effects
or
>pay a certain amount of mana to flip your dudes

>>53506147
Even if it had Split Second, wouldn't they still be able to tap down all of their lands?

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>>53504398
just play the best zada deck ever made.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/591294#paper

>>53506223
I played your deck on xmage, it's terrible and slow

>>53506249
>xmage
you're terrible and slow

>>53506223
Looks like fun
Needs more ramp

>>53506358
what else is there in mono red?
stuff like thought vessel feels like shit.
thinking about using inner fire or mana geyser

i play it against full comp decks in payed pods and always combo pretty quick

only problem i have is board wipes

>>53506398
>stuff like thought vessel feels like shit.
That's because you are a retard

>>53506413
>no need for max hand size because combo out the turn you have a big hand
you ever play zada?

>>53506413
>zada cares about creatures
>not creature ramp like iorn myr
???

I'm deciding on my next deck to build. Our playgroup freely swaps decks whenever someone feels like something different, and I'd like my next deck to be as far removed from the rest as possible. If the current roster is:

>Ezuri, Claw of Progress
>Daxis the Returned
>Alesha, Who Smiles at Death
>Breya
>Karametra Ramp/Stompy
>Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder
>Brago
>The Gay Kings
>Angry Angry Omnath

What would be a solid commander that's completely different to those themes? I was thinking of finding an older legendary to work with, if possible.

>>53506456
Jhoira chaos
noran the winner

What's the best mono red commander that isn't Krenko?

>>53506456

Mina and Denn with Angry Omnath as your actual commander.

>>53506557
Purphoros or Commander Daretti.

>>53506557

Feldon of the Third Path.

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>>53506557

>>53506476
>>53506558
Holy shit, Jhoira looks like she has a ton of shenanigans. I was also debating a silly Wrexial, the Risen Deep deck with a sea monster theme, if that's viable.

>>53506456

I think you lack a spell heavy commander. Someone like Melek, mizzix or jori en. Maybe a UB storm-y deck with Dralnu at the helm. Jeleva if your group can handle a big threat.

>>53506707
you can build her spike and just cheat out eldazi
or you can suspend chaos cards and have fun

>>53506557

Purphoros, or Norin.

>>53506456
>Our playgroup freely swaps decks
fucking disgusting, do you swap girlfriends too?