Horus Heresy General /hhg/

So what do you expect now that French will be taking over writing the Horus Heresy for FW?

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>>53481596
>French
FUCK JOHN "DECIMATION" FRENCH
He's an irredeemable Dornfag.
Leave it to Chris Wraigh.

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Alpharius did everything wrong.

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>>53481596
The Iron Warriors fags are going to be up in arms, as the first reply indicated. I'm not sure how this will end, but it will probably be better than ADB.

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>>53481666
And perhaps the ALfags as well. Nice digits.

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>>53481722
Oh yeah I forgot French gave Alpharius the Ferrus haircut. Nice digits yourself.

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The Aquilon Termies remind me of Marneus Calgars model with the wings above the head and all.
I'll absolutely convert one of those sexy Custodes Termies as a Chapter Master in artificer Cataphractii armor and there's nothing you can do about it

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Reposting since last thread died around when i posted

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>>53481596
Lots of tear-stains on the pages as he cries about his dead fat bf

How much mutation was there among the traitors during mid to late heresy?

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>>53481848
It depends on which legion, but by the time of the late heresy there were mutations all over the place except maybe in the Night Lords or at least partially in those spooks.

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>>53481779
>I'll absolutely convert one of those sexy Custodes Termies as a Chapter Master in artificer Cataphractii armor and there's nothing you can do about it
Those Aquilon suits look too curve compared to the blockier ones in the art, so I wouldn't have a problem with that.
And aquilas protecting the back of the head do look cool, don't they?

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>>53481712
>https://ironsleet.com/2016/08/31/arch-magos-lilith-forge-queen-of-the-ring-of-iron-magos-dominus-interrogator-imperialis-the-dragons-consort/
Ironsluts, awesome.

>>53481619
John French has experience writing games.

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>>53482013
I never doubted of his skills. It's his stance against the legions I like what I'm questioning.

>Alpha Legion, Word Bearers, Night Lords, Iron Warriors
wow, all these upstanding, honest to god dependable Legions, how could anyone doubt their loyalties?

seriously though, the writing is really iffy at times, especially in "Know no Fear" they try to drive home the point of Astartes fighting Astartes being such sn inconcieveable thing, when you have numerous accounts of it happening before. Then you look at the Alpha Legion, being shady as fuck for their entire history, spending more time undermining imperial institutions than actually conquering anything, and I seriously have to doubt the intelligence of anyone who couldn't have seen this civil war coming. The only real surprise is the Sons of Horus turning traitor, their fellow traitor legions were all basically the scum of the Legions already, though the Luna Wolves had a 50:50 split of scum and decent people. I suppose the Ultramarines were too naive, their minds set too much on the task given to them, instead of doing shady and evil stuff like most other legions.

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>>53481520
16th for the 16th

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>>53482118
The Iron Warriors always obeyed, why would anyone think they'd commit treason? And the main complains about the AL was their lack of communication with other Imperial factions and the incorrect execution of compliances (only we know of their schemes, the imperials don't). How does that cry "traitor"?
>I suppose the Ultramarines were too naive
Mostly this, but only this. People from the easy places are the most innocent ones.

>>53482119
This arouses me

Reminder that Vlka Fenryka sounds much worse than Space Wolves and is an embarrassing addition to the fluff created by a cuck who was embarrassed by the name Space Wolves.

The same applies for "The Rout."

If you ever find yourself unironically using these terms then please neck yourself post-haste.

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>>53482012
Holy shit, this persons lore has then turn a completely gender neutral cult into a boys club so her mary sue strawman can pull some shit and fix it. Also fucking black egyptian tribes on mars my fucking sides i cant handle this shit.

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>>53482473
>>53482514
There is only one way to go about this. We need a techpriest Alberto Barbarossa.

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>>53482514
>>53482664
Das rit, prep da bull little albino cog boi

>>53482473
Its black jews this time

>>53482473
People are going to hate my Zhou-Arkkad Magos commanding my Tson Mechanicum Allies. She's black and a woman.

>>53482765
You're right, I don't like it!

>>53482765
No, anon. Don't you know everybody is a brit in 30k?
>>53482473
I thought that mini looks nice and that the face was a stilyzed mask.

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>>53482765
Nah no one gives a fuck, its mostly rewriting a faction into a fucking retarded strawman just so you can make your oc a woman liberator. Mechanicum doesnt give a fuck about gender.

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>>53482119
You know... the mastodon could've been good in 8th ed... just saying

>>53482803
Right now it's not good? And why does it lack a Flare shield wtf?

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>>53482793
>everyone is a Brit in 30k
How beady are their eyes?

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>>53482822
Idk, you tell me. Meduson is from Old Albia as well.

>>53482765
Nah, that means literally nothing as far as the Mechanicum is concerned. Black skin is less important than black robes because the latter means you're Xanatite and the former is a characteristic of your inferior fleshy bitz.

People are mad at that guy for inventing some weird genderised Machine Cult entirely to draw attention to all the female and persecuted Magi, because I know that otherwise nobody would give Magos Lilith a second glance over anything other than that pretty nice conversion.

>>53482906
Looks pretty beady to me. 100% Anglo.

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>>53482906
>be an Iron Hand
>take a glancing sword hit in battle
>it 90% severs your left hand
>replace it with an iron hand

how convienient

>>53482821
Right now it's a piece of shit. Its direct contemporaries for price are a Warhound Titan and Ordinatus Sagittar, which are both a damn sight more impressive dakkawise, can actually take hits/be repaired and don't have to drive the majority of your army directly into the enemy and then possibly explode, killing half the units you paid the opportunity to shoot S:D at things to transport.

>>53482803
I'm sure it will be great in 7.5.

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>>53482822
>>53482906
>>53483217
>>53483161
>tfw descended from saxons
Makes me glad my ancestors got to Canada and mixed with other yuro blood for a few hundred years. Still got a beard full of red and gold though, which is nice.

>>53482798
>>53482907
>Mechanicum doesn't give a fuck about gender
This.

Unless it's pic related, then they're fine with it.

>>53481520
With FW doing a rulebook does that mean we'll finally get to learn what Furious Assault is?

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>>53483986
Anon, you know what you have to do to honor your ancestors.

>>53483986
>>tfw descended from saxons
>Makes me glad my ancestors got to Canada and mixed with other yuro blood for a few hundred years. Still got a beard full of red and gold though, which is nice.
Why do people post things as desperately bad as this and why is it always north americans? What is this thing you people have in your culture where who fucked who 200 years ago is believed to have some importance to anyone and why do you always say it like it's a humblebrag and people should care? Are other people from NA impressed by it, is it like telling people what car you have or something?
I've been to Canada and the USA a couple times (well a fucking leaf once) and the obsession people had with trying to relate their muh ancestors to my life was a bigger culture shock than anything else

>where you from anon?
>place
>wow do you know my great great great great great great great great grand pappy knew a man who had relations in a place is that near your place
>uh no
>well I'm one quarter german and one quarter viking and the rest of me is irish which I guess is a half
>wow, your parents were from all over the world
>what no anon they're all from New Jersey
>but I thought you said...never mind
>wee-haw we sure are having some crack
>...craic?
>Yessum no-one knows the crack like us Irish!

it's like talking to brain-damaged people who've only ever had an atlas to chew on in the asylum

>>53482473
there are some neat modes on that website tho.

I like the robo-tree people: https://ironsleet.com/2016/06/17/green-man-cometh/

>>53484183
Honestly I was just mentioning it because I'm glad I don't have beady eyes.

>>53484249
aw. i hoped you could unravel the mystery of the ages for me anon. But i'm glad you have nice eyes.

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How likely am I to get crucified with resin nails on a cross made of Angelus drafts by Chris Wraight himself for fluffing up the FnP from apothecaries as chem-inhalers and bionics/flesh grafts and not attaching apothecaries to units, removing it when the sergeant dies instead? Still taking up an elites slot of course, but treating it more like Chaos covenants from the Lost and the Damned than an attached character.

The units are fluffed as cyber-res'd legionnaires that are far stronger and more durable thanks to the artefacts hidden by the Keys of Hel, at the expense of most of their sanity and agility. Gonna run them as S/T 5 blackshields. not a waacfag I swear

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>>53484099
>Anglos with blood-powered fortresses
Reminder Forrix was raised in Eite Mohr.

>>53484301
You want to add the effects of a unit's special rules without actually taking the unit as a model but still paying for it? And nominate someone of your choice to be the locii of the special rules for other rules purposes?
I only skimmed the Blackshields rules to be perfectly honest so don't know if this a thing they can do, but that seems just plain bizarre.
Why don't you want an Apoth model? Transport reasons or something?

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>>53484340
Makes too much sense to be honest.

>>53484340
Scots aren't anglos

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>>53484415
If not anglo, Scotts are at the very least drunk englishmen with dresses.

>>53484370
nah it's really only for fluff reasons, I tend to take 15 man squads. it's just that these medics don't exactly seem to make sense in-fluff fixing up guys who are 40% metal and 20% xenos flesh grafts. of course if my opponent isn't okay with it I'll take a more auged-up looking apothecary model or one of my biologis looking techpriest models as a count-as.

>>53484462
Well I guess you'd just be doing this in friendly games so it shouldn't cause any rage as long as you tell people in advance or immediately you go to unpack. Just be prepared to have to - repeatedly - explain yourself.

Though to be honest I would make a cool looking apoth conversion and make him look like a techmarine with a narthecium, that'd be pretty baller. Just say he's ruleswise an apoth, the techmarine gubbins are just there for fluff.

>>53484295
Well I can give some insight into things.

Honestly there's some very weird shit that I encounter at times myself. The specific example I'm thinking of at the moment was a woman I worked with several years ago who told me how he family, who moved to Canada from Germany before she was born, got a lot of shit even unto the modern day, for being German and how they were our enemy during the World Wars.

As for the general trend of people being obsessed with where their ancestors came from. I can't place it exactly but I'd have to say it's because the history of Europeans in North America is less than 500 years old, and many people's ancestors came here in the last 200 years or less (a lot of "free land out west" offers during the 1800's, and people escaping wartorn Europe in the 1900s).

So it doesn't seem too surprising that people would be a bit envious of Europe, since most all of it has long and grandious histories going back thousands of years, and want to highlight their own personal connection to it.

For what it's worth, I personally am a history buff who had a great highschool teacher on the subject that really made me interested in ancient history in particular. And as for my own genetics I consider myself "Canadian" more than anything else. If not just because one side of my family has been here for about 400 years, but also because they've basically been fucking everyone who arrived in the province after them, meaning they don't really have any deep ties to any particular European nation.

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>>53484183
It's because America has been a melting pot for a much longer time, so the only way to maintain a sense of cultural identity is through expression and research.

There aren't exactly many positive connotations to being American, and to say you're American does not have the historical weight of other nationalities.

Looking in to your family history is usually fascinating, and it helps contribute to the notion of your feeling like the main character of your life.

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>>53484437
Don't refer to a Scot as an English in any way at all unless you actively want to start an argument with them that will have a 50/50 change of you needing an ambulance.

>>53484526
>>53484572
Thank you both. I'd ask more but it's off-topic rambling.

Well to drag it kinda back to HH, the strayan youtubers who someone in here hates just called out Ryan the Ragequitter from Radio Free Shitters.

>>53481752
tbqh it's the Omegon's "I am Alpharius" part I don't like. It's a codeword.

>>53484515
huh, you're right, maybe I will make up a few more tech-y biologist marines

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Back to the Horus Heresy. Do your Praetors have their own personal heraldry? Is it better than the heraldry of governor of Mississippi and Alabama's hat?

>>53484583
>that file name
Neither are glaswegians Scots

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>>53481520
So what do folks think of the Slavdor preview that we got?

Can't wait to see the finished model, but so far he looks like he's gonna be good.

>>53484889
I am proud of your irrelevant nitpicking. Have you seen In The Loop?

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>>53484526
>As for the general trend of people being obsessed with where their ancestors came from. I can't place it exactly but I'd have to say it's because the history of Europeans in North America is less than 500 years old
I'd rather say that's a white people thing. I could probably trace my roots to two different countries, but I've never bothered to.
I am of the belief that people are from wherever place they're raised.
If you have norse parents but you were raised in the Australia, then you're australian like it or not, no matter how precisely you can trace your roots to your parents' country.
That's one of the reasons why the mexican independence happened: spaniards born here felt themselves more from New Spain than form the old world and a bunch of other politicomilitar reasons.
Srry for /pol/ing the thread, have a cool pic that possibly inspired the Event Custodes' Paragon Spear, along with one of them with a Solerite Gauntlet.

>>53484901
Elfdor is looking pretty good. Gives me hope for Sanguinius' face.

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>>53484583
It's a reference to this character, kek. He always starts arguments with 100% chance of everyone needing an ambulance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ona3Tgt7w

>>53484772
Didn't Ryan quit because he thought HH was going to 8th? Sounds like a bit of a dumb ass for not waiting a few weeks.

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>>53485093
If FW's idea of beautiful is almond-face, I don't want to know what'll happen to Sanguinius. Which makes me thing, since when Valdor is supposed to be beautiful?

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>>53484462
>it's just that these medics don't exactly seem to make sense in-fluff fixing up guys who are 40% metal and 20% xenos flesh grafts
Anon, what are you up to now?

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>>53485180
>What are the Keys of Hel? They are the fires taken from the mountain. They are what should not and must not be. Only in the last days of humanity, when law has no meaning, should any think to break the locks placed upon them. These are those days.
You must damn yourself to save the Imperium, battle-brother. Cast off what's left of humanity and become a living sentinel, a fusion of steel and flesh, to protect those who still possess it. Iron within and iron without, as our brethren in the Fourth would say.

wannabe writefagging aside, they're blackshields who's schtick is basically
>sure we have legionnaires possessing shitloads of unsanctioned augmentations and a track record of taking in recruits even from the traitor legions but they passed our trials and we're loyal we swear by the emperor, cmoooon dorn... please...

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>>53484241
You're right, they do have neat stuff. This one is Blanche's.

>>53485145
>not wanting emps 20th most powerful man to be handsome

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>>53485746
I don't want his face to be made by a company that says CHEEKBONZ = handsome, no.

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>>53485675
I'll be watching you.

>>53485057
The importance of immigrant communities is often discounted. When people arrived they didn't just move into the next house on the street, they moved in with their own people in their own areas. And therein they developed an odd, stereotypical attachment to their former homeland as well as an antipathy to the other immigrant communities as they struggled for jobs, space, and power in the community.

If you want to understand why Americans care so much about their heritage you have to remember that we're only 100-150 years removed from our major cities being Balkanized.

>>53485852
I'm not entirely sure I understand or agree with your comment, srry
discordapp.com/invite/wYS2J6b

>>53485144
Also because FW has been crap at communicating. They took the cakes without acknowledging them or the questions on them, didn't say a thing when the 40k FAQ banned multibombing and made knight firing arcs weird, didn't FAQ all the rules that don't work well for unit entries in Inferno, and only gave us emails and website book descriptions to go on regarding the future of 30k rules while GW told us pretty much everything about 8th.

The power creep in Inferno was probably a factor, too.

>>53485057
Is that a pyramid, or fuckhuge door?

>>53486363
Yeah, not sure about their new fluffs, but otherwise I think GW is doing pretty good since Gathering Storm. Advancing the timeline, impactful (good or bad) changes in fluff, communications and announcements and so on.

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>>53486620
Its a vertical structure, not quite a pyramid.

I imagine the imperial palace is filled with such structures like this pic which I believe is one of the levels of the sanctum imperialis and leads to the eternity gate and the golden throne.

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>>53486620
I think it's a pyramid-like structure, for that's supposed to be the Sanctum Imperialis, the Throneroom. The stairs must be the way that leads to the Emperor.
There's another picture like this one. The one with the caption that says the Emperor still cries for mankind or something.

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>>53486688
I think that's actually a bunch of regiments mustering for a crusade (or maybe at the end of one) somewhere.

Though either way, there's definitely no shortage of fukc hueg galleries in the Imperial Palace.

>>53484583
Your just mad we're leaving the eu and getting the band back together

>>53482344
>REEE STOP ENJOYING THINGS!

>>53482344
The fuck is "The Rout" supposed to be?

>>53487142
I think it's suppose to be their name before Russ.

>>53487189
That's kind of silly.

>>53482118
>surely we can trust these upstanding Night Lords to have our backs during this battle of Istvaan!

>>53484241
>https://ironsleet.com/
>one of the guys on there 3D printed a truscale marine core and sculpted details and added parts to make truscale marines, two months before the Primaris marines dropped.

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>>53485145

>>53487306
I thought the line was
>Surely these fuckers can do something useful before Curze gets his sentence from Terra
They called whoever was nearby to help. Couldn't be picky.

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>>53482118
>Alpha Legion did get the job done, they were just known for being incredibly sneaky and indirect about it, which ticked off a number of primarchs with much more 'direct' approaches'.
>The Word Bearers had a negative reputation, but not as being disreputable or unreliable. They were known for being zealots, slow but thorough once set to task, and their number of compliances shot up drastically in the wake of Monarchia. Honestly, the biggest complaint most of the Legions had about the Word Bearers was Lorgar himself. The other primarchs thought he was far too soft.
>Night Lords: Yeah, they were considered scum, unreliable, and honestly a potential threat. But as >>53487394 mentioned, they called whoever was nearby for Istvaan V, not who they'd like. Because I'm sure if the Emperor had the opportunity he would've loved to throw the Space Wolves, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, and Ultramarines at Horus.
>Iron Warriors had a reputation for being incredibly hard working and driven towards achieving the goals of the Imperium. Their strength, determination, and tenacity would've all been positive factors in the fight against Horus. However, no one else besides Horus was really aware of how bitter they were about getting all of the shitty jobs, or how autistic Peratubo was.

So, 3 out of 4 of the double-traitors at Istvaan were known to have their own quirks, sure, but not for being potential traitors or glaring issues. The Night Lords were the only one that stood out, because they had a bloody reputation on par with the World Eaters and Space Wolves.

>>53487142
It's their informal name for themselves. The raven guard do the same thing, they call their legion "the Unkindness."

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>>53482012
SEND IN THE MALAGRA! PURGE! PURGE! PURGE! PURGE! PURGE!

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The more I see about 8th, the more furious I am that we'll not move over to it.
A Questoris Crusade would actually be interesting to play or play against, for one.

>>53487963
I am going to play 8th edition. Fuck forgeworld, they could have sold a lot of new books but hey, they hate money

>>53488179
I'm tempted to agree. It's almost certain somebody will make a full conversion of the rules anyway.

>>53487963
My wild guess is that they tried to make it work (after all, they did give all their models 40k stats) but struggled with legion rules/provenances and rites of war. A lot of them relate to reserves, melée striking order, cover saves, and morale - things that have changed significantly in 8th. Maybe they ran out of room to differentiate all the current 30k armies because of those changes.

Other than morale, i do like the way 8th is looking.

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>>53481823
Joke all you want about it, but Alan's work will be sorely missed.

Most of the fluff on Angelus is done and written (by Bligh). After that, it's going into the Dark Age. No one can take over and be on the same level as Bligh.

>>53482344
I agree. Space Wolves are the worst, sues that use any of the names you mention are the worst of it.

>>53488463
>SW are sues because they have nicknames
Adorable.

>>53488401
I don't think the horus heresy is staying 7th forever. My guess is that after every legion has rules we will get new rules so certain people from certain podcasts won't start crying

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Will LRs be not only viable but mandatory now?

>>53488179
Shield-Captain
WS2+ BS2+ S5 T5 W7 A5 Sv2+
Wargear:
Armed with either a Paragon Spear, twin Solarite Talons or either a Solarite Talon or a Solarite Gauntlet and a Praesidium Shield. Some also carry a Archeotech Pistol.
Weapons:
Solarite Gauntlet R(melee) Sx2 AP-3 D3
Solarite Talon R(melee) S(user) AP-3 D1 +1A when used in a pair; reroll to wound
Paragon Spear R(melee) S+2 AP-4 Dd3 To-wound rolls of 6 have a Damage value of d6 instead of d3; add +1 to wound rolls for this weapon if this model has made a successful charge this turn
Paragon Spear R18" S5 AP-2 D1 Assault2
Archeotech Pistol R12" S6 AP-2 D1 Pistol1
Special Rules:
- Iron Halo: 4+ invulnerable save
- Praesidium Shield: reroll failed save rolls of 1s. Also, subtract -1 from to-hit rolls made against a model carrying this item.
Tribune: [no idea]
Keywords:
Imperium, Talons of the Emperor, Custodians, Shield-Captain

>>53488609
No they wont.
[loud sobbing]

>>53487528
The issue with the alpha legion isn't being sneaky, no one is bothered by a stealthy approach, the problem is with them infiltrating and subverting their own allies most of the time.

The Word Bearers "Compliances" shot up after monarchia because they were fucking up already compliant worlds. Lorgar didn't turn his life around, he went full apeshit after monarchia, filling his ships to the brink with scum and zealots, those organisations and cults didn't pop up a week before calth out of nowhere. Lorgar has been planning and building his three Super Traitor Class Star Destroyers for a while too.

The only treason that comes as somewhat a surprise were the Iron Warriors.

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>>53488919
Scum? You mean the future good citizens of the true imperium of mankind

>>53489190
No matter how hard ADB try, I just can't understand Lorgar sucking Chaos cock and sympathize with him.

>>53489274
>Lorgar sucking chaos cock
Anon... do you have... you know...issues?

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>>53481823
>Salty Jago
>Used by someone else
>This is wrong... but also right

My knowledge of individual authors is lacking, >>53481666
>>53481619
What's wrong with John's IW lore?

>>53489324
"Primordial Truth" my ass.

>>53488919
>
The only treason that comes as somewhat a surprise were the Iron Warriors

im sure i remember Malcador being shocked that Alpharius had turned

>>53489395
There's only black and white right anon? Every time some writer tries to give some complexity to the fluff people like you start crying because the super evil guys actually have some reasons to do what they do rather than "dunno man xDdDDD burn the galaxy xDdDdDDd"

>>53489461
No, but when the excuse is basically the individual's personal headcase fuckups that become everyone else's trouble, most people who are reasonably well adjusted know that does not make them less a cunt.
Lorgar and Pert are some of the best examples of this. The only traitor that really has some manner of unfortunate circumstance is Mortarion.

>>53489519
You don't have to agree or sympathize. Just don't start crying about ADB not writing about the traitor legions as if they were already your typical chaos space marine psycho

>>53489519
Mortarion however was a cunt in general, so that works out well.

>>53489461
Complexity =/= being an idiot.

>>53489557
No, but almost all of the traitor primarches went down the rout they did because of their own character flaws.
Accepting that is not the same as excusing it.
All Angron wanted was to die in battle against something he could safely claim to be better than. His reward was eternal life in service to a tyrant he "chose".
Lorgar would have believed in a rock if he could find an excuse to, he required belief in something to function. He happened to chose something that was inimical to everyone else around him.
This does NOT make them sympathetic, it only expands on what we already knew: most of the traitors, in their own minds, had excellent reasons to do what they did. That does not mean they can't be called out for being cunts.
Perterabo was, and further, he ACCEPTED he was a cunt, at the end.

>>53489461
There are good, complex Chaos characters. Lorgar is just isn't one.

>>53489613
I always wonder why Lorgar couldn't worship the Machine God.

Hell, it's Imperium-sanctioned religion, isn't it?

>>53489519
>The only traitor that really has some manner of unfortunate circumstance is Mortarion.
In what way? Unless they retconned when Mort fell to Nurgle then I'm not seeing it.

>>53489635
>Hey, pope, why don't you just worship Buddha? Both are gods, so it should be all the same to you, right?

>>53489681
The unfortunate circumstance of being a naturally hateable asshole to the core.

>>53489698
Magnus go home

>>53489681
His choice was either be tortured to death by pestilence, along with all of his men, or accept Nurgle.
I can't hold someone at fault for breaking under such circumstances, even if they aren't a likable bloke.
>>53489683
This makes no sense.

>>53489731
>or accept Nurgle.
That was long after he had become a traitor.

>>53489683
> pope worshipping satan

>>53489731
He was already a traitor by then, stop woobifying him.

>>53488179
>>53488377
>>53488600
8th edition a shit.

>>53488401
Exactly. 8th went too far, now we might get what 8th should have been.

For those who managed to purchase the new Custodes flyer or the Telemon Heavy Dread at Warhammer Fest:
Where there rules sheets included with those models ?

What year was Leman Russ found & his legion renamed the space wolves? What was their original legion name?

>>53488453
Truth.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RDf1VDwsj5M

Despite being aware of the website that I'm on I'm geniunely surprised at how callous people can react to Alan Bligh's passing. I get it, it's 4chan, hahaha. But some posts aren't even remotely funny and I don't understand how someone can call themselves a fan of 40k and/or HH without having massive respect for that man.

I've never even met the guy but the news (and admittedly some of the BL writers blog posts) just hit me right in the feels this weekend.

>>53490123
>Despite being aware of the website that I'm on I'm geniunely surprised at how callous people can react to Alan Bligh's passing.
This. No one is asking anyone to turn the whole thread into a Wake for the man.

But if all you've got to say is some edgy comment about how you're glad he's dead, then just shut your whore mouth.

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So supposedly the next HH book will have Dark Mechanicus? Have their been any rumours or model teasers? I wanted to build a Strogg-themed Legio Cybernetica full of Dark Mechanicus murderbots but if they're getting official rules that let me do something similarly cool I can wait.

>>53490188
>if all you've got to say is some edgy comment about how you're glad he's dead, then just shut your whore mouth.

Or what?
You gonna post angrily at me?

>>53490265
>implying I didn't already trigger you
I win.

>>53489435
if Malcador knew half the primarchs as well as he thought he did, the heresy would have never happened

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Bought a Leviathan lads, got it home, covered in fucking moldslips, not mold lines but slips, varying levels across the entire thing... how does this pass quality control...

>>53490518
Mail forgeworld, they'll probably change you the damaged parts

>>53490518
Ask FW for a new one and use the previous one as scenery or convert it into a corrupted Chaos dread.

>>53490518
Photos? Most of us have had a failcast encounter so we know that pain.

>>53482765

>She's black and a woman.

And I bet you tell quite literally every human being you meet that

>yeah... the leader ... it's a woman
right
>and she's black
ok
>yeah... gonna get a lot of hate...
ok
>sigh... i wish people weren't so intolerant
right
>yeah, i mean I felt I needed a black woman magos you know?
ok
>yeah, a black woman

Bro story cool

is a full infiltrating terminators alpha legion PoTL list competitive?

>>53490123
why should anyone have respect for him? explain

>>53489906
wow, denial, you're in it

>>53489906
Completely agree. Mortal wound the edition isn't something 30k needs.

>>53490602
Yes, when in dedicated LR Phobos that'll infiltrate with them.
Also, needs anti-armour to supplement the list.

>>53489613
argueably Pert was the biggest cunt of them all. Especially to his own Legion.

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>>53490552
>>53482765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8moax_85j8

Got a black Magos woman
Got a black Magos woman

I got a black Magos woman
Got me so blind I can't see
That she's a black Magos woman
She's tryin' to make a beep boop out of me

Don't turn your back on me baby
Don't turn your back on me baby

Yes, don't turn your back on me baby
Stop using Cybertheurgy
Don't turn your back on me baby
You just might pick up my servo sticks

Got your spell on me baby
Got your spell on me baby

Yes you got your spell on me baby
Using your Cortex Control
I need you so bad - Magos woman
I can't leave you alone

Wait were sticking with 8th. Wtf for?

>>53491143
7th obviously. Jesus.

>>53490628
You sound like the person that gets a lot of spit in their union rings.

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Okay lads, I need help list-building, and I know there's a surprising number of Iron Hands players so hopefully you all can help.

Goin for a 3k armored Breakthrough, and the basics of the list are gonna be-

>Sicarian HQ
>two preds with lascannon sponsons
>3 javelin speeders
>good ol' podding leviathan
>some Gorgons in a LR
>Contemptor-Mortis

Then probably a pair of Vindicators, a Killy praetor and his retinue, and a storm eagle to ferry them in and give some AA. Does that look good? My other thought is to Squad the vindies and swap out the Contemptor for a (Plasma? Friends say it's good) deredeo.

I won't be the best against Primarch stars (though sheer weight of AP2 blasts can do work), but in general I think it seems pretty good. Am I wrong?

>>53491274
At 3k, you want scoring. You have the best scoring unit in 30k, an av13 tank. As Armoured Breakthrough, you want as little infantry as you can do to make the most of the oversaturation of armour, so thats a good idea. I would drop the gorgons and ignore your praetor, as thats gonna be wasted points against any sort of CC unit-a praetor in particular is never gonna be good against most characters/primarchs/killy magi. For the vindies, squadding them is good as you can give them machine spirit, which works pretty similar to split fire. A plasma deredeo is kinda an overly-expensive side-grade to the autocannon one, as while its better against elite infantry its much shorter range and lack of rerolls against armour make it a weak tradeoff. As you bulk out your models, consider swapping the mortis for the deredeo, as the deredeo is everything it does but better. This is my list for 2k that is being partially proxied, but im taking my time modelling my Panzertruppe Night Lords

205-Master of Armour Sicaran, Lascannons

290-2x Chainfist Cortus

230-2 units of Preds w/ Lascannons

190-2 units of Preds w/ HBolters

210-Lightning-2xKraken, Auguries, Servitor Control

110-2xJavelins

230-Fire Raptor, Reaper Cannons, Hellstrike Missiles

190-Sicaran Venator

340-Malcador, Lascannons, Demolisher Cannon, Multimelta

To bring it up to 3k, i would bring any combination of more cortus dreads (half-price leviathans that are nearly as good), more predator troops, and a superheavy tank of some description-barring stuff like the quake cannon baneblade, just about anything will work. As Iron Hands, you have unique access to Castrmen Orth, who makes a Sicaran Venator rape on tracks and is highly recommended. Your solution to primarchstars is to ignore them, shoot their ride out turn one and slowly gun them down whilst keeping your distance. This is all designed for a cut-throat as all hell aussie meta, if playing nice feel free to ignore me

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now that we get an Epic Armageddon HH reboot, is there any word on a Battlefleet Gothic HH reboot?

>>53491567
Cool shit man, love to see any pics if you've got them. I guess the termies aren't the pound-for-pound best unit out there, but I think I wanna keep at least the Gorgons around. Though a Lightning seems like a really smart plan, I can kit it up for maximum armor rapeage and shoot out the traditional Spartan/Primarch/medicae combo.

Mix that with Orth and I've got a pretty kickass list, thanks anon! My meta is nowhere near
Strayan waacfag levels of cancer, but the typical PotL spartanstar+double leviathan+vets out the ass shows up a fair bit. I'm just lucky the one guy who ended up doing 1k sons (god willing no one else does) is chill dude that ended up making a veteran sniper/hentai blades force. Currently a Salamander ironically holds the 'biggest waacfag' award.

>>53490123
He's just a stranger who did some work on a setting I like.

>>53491701
Firestorm Armada is pretty cool

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>>53491977
>He's just a stranger who did some work on a setting I like.
>Why do people on 4chins think I suffer from severe autism when I make lame jokes about his death.
>mfw

Explaining the logic of basic human decency to someone who thinks like that is like explaining colour to a blind person.

Maybe this will help you understand:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5IKr_js9U8s

>>53491701
New Battlefleet Gothic is confirmed to take place in 30k, designers at seminar gave the impression that actual work hasn't started on it. Also it's not Epic Armageddon, it's based heavily on the 1988 ruleset. On that note, the book hits the printers "next week." Release date: the first opening in their calendar. Remember to order the special edition, not the starter set. The starter set IS ONLY THE RULEBOOK AND TEMPLATES.

>>53492746
I nearly forgot to explain why it was delayed. Titanicus was going to be so expensive originally that the rulebook had scenarios for when one player can't afford to buy a full army--stuff where there's a big points imbalance between forces, permitting both rich and poor to field everything at once. The switch to plastic came after the staggering success of Blood Bowl.

>>53492642
That's a bit harsh, I'm not any of the guys you were arguing with earlier. Just saying, I never met the man. It's hard to feel genuine grief over the death of a complete stranger.

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Seeing pic related makes me glad GW isn't making our rules. It's not like FW is a master at that, but still.
What do you think 7.5 will bring?
Because it sure as hell isn't the save system. That'd be too good, and FW doesn't do that.

I'm a good part into reading Legion and hold the fucking phone this logic is so damn stupid

>if chaos wins, and all humanity is destroyed, the echo in the warp will destroy chaos
>if chaos loses, this will preserve chaos for it to win another day

this is literally Trudeauian "if we kill our enemies, they win" logic. If burning some worlds was enough to cause the Ruinstorm, and the fall of the Eldar Empire was enough to birth Slaanesh, the fall of the Human Empire would rip the entire galaxy to shreds. What was BL thinking when they wrote this top skub?

>>53493072
Multi grenades are almost guaranteed. Other than that I don't have a clue. I would like a rework of psychic powers.

>>53493083
No one said BL was smart.

>>53493094
>I would like a rework of psychic powers.
good lord yes. Pretty much all of the tables but Biomancy and Divination should be reworked.

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>>53493083
Anon solved it in a minute.

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>>53493211
yet, halfwit retards they are, Alpharius and Omegon drank the Xenos Kool-aid. Not to mention start off by blasting an Imperial Expeditionfleet to pieces.

>>53493072
>Seeing pic related makes me glad GW isn't making our rules
Why?
Oblits aren't auto-includes in a CSM army for the first time in 3 editions, and that is bad?

>>53493328
Never drink Xenos Kool-Aid. Always drink the Imperial Pepsi.

>>53493566
REEEEEEEE
My Havocs... my Obliterators...

>Hates tyrants and mutants and sorcerers
>Joins the side with tyrants, mutants and sorcerers

Is Mortarian legit retarded?

>>53493083
>this is literally Trudeauian
The funniest thing about you saying that, is that Trudeau never said that fucking quote! The Alpha Legion would be proud of your stupidity.

>>53493694
Did you really think huffing Barbarus-stink was good for him?

>>53493060
My apologies. I asumed you were the same guy.

>>53493694
Magnus wasn't on-side until later, and Fulgrim was keeping his mutants well out of sight

>>53493647
>min squad havocs with 4 heavy/special weapons and an icon are still a thing

>>53493697
it doesn't matter if he said it or not. No one even cares about the weedman and leafland. But he is a perfect example of leftwing pandering going too far.

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>>53493694
Horus was his only friend, and he trusted Horus too much.
>>53493729
This.

>>53493772
And you're a perfect example of right-wing retardation putting feels before facts.

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>>53493694
He joined Horus
But Horus changed after drinking too much chaos kool aid himself.
Then he wanted out, as seen in his interaction with Jaghatai.
He made a mistake

>>53490189
I'm kinda conflicted, I hope we get rules for all the FW daemon engines like the blood slaughterer and GBK, but I think its more likely for it to be a variant armylist somehow, maybe options to turn cybernetica bots into daemons or maybe some options for psyker tech priests or something similar.

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>>53493787
you sound slightly upset someone insulted your president, leaf, why don't you go and cry for a 50% women and minority quota in these threads?

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>>53493742
Ah, that's alright. Anon here, anon there and all that. I understand that, for the people who got in to 30K before I did, the people who met him, the people who were and are dedicated to the hobby in a different way to me, it may well have been shattering when he died, and I think it is in somewhat bad taste to joke about it. All the same, I lack that connection to him, and now I always will.

Rest in peace Bligh.

>>53493787
>>53493869
can we leave the politics at the door please?

lets try to have a thread actually focused on 30k for once alright mates?

>>53493869
That picture makes me slightly uncomfortable. And I don't know why.

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>>53493869
>I don't have any comeback other than memes now that you outed me as being full of shit
What's it like proving once again that /pol/tards are cancer by saying something as stupid as "it doesn't matter if the quote is true because I'd rather believe something that fits my narrative rather than objective facts"?

>women and minorities
Also you're forgetting that normal people really don't give a fuck about those things.

>>53493925
We had a thread actually about 30k yesterday, remember? Lexicanum vs FW Black Books.

>>53493983
oh yeah... that shitshow...

well fuck everything then.

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>>53493952
it doesn't matter if the quote is true because in the face of leftist defeatism towards islam, it might aswell be true, even if it's just a hyperbolic meme.

>Also you're forgetting that normal people really don't give a fuck about those things.
also you're forgetting not everyone is living in a sheltered upper class gated community.

>>53493952
>Normal people
>Not women or minorities tho
>AKA the minority of people

Maximum kek activates

What is going on? Why are we >>/pol/ ing? The last thing I remember is some anon glad he didn't have beady Meduson eyes.

SO, how about that Angelus am I right anon?

How do you anons feel about a common identifier in a Shattered Legions army being a dark red right arm? I kinda like the idea with the "red right hand of the Emperor/Warmaster" symbolism and thematic connection to the Dusk Raiders and Clan Morragul, and to a lesser extent the Luna Wolves with their small bits of red iconography. Fitting considering I got quite a few DG/SoH/IH.

>>53494061
>hurr hurr, he said women and minorities weren't people!
>Also, I have absolutely no reading comprehension!

>>53494046
>it doesn't matter if the quote is true because in the face of leftist defeatism towards islam, it might aswell be true
>This totally made up line of text exactly described my feelings on the subject!
>By an amazing coincidence, I also think it is exactly right!
Wow, it's almost like it was written up by someone just like you, to serve as a strawman for bullshit claims like the one you made.

>sheltered
You should try and get out more then, you'll find that women and brown people aren't the scurry things that you've been led to believe.

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>>53494142
So, they'll wear their usual colours but paint their arm dark red? Nice.

>>53494086
>What is going on? Why are we >>/pol/ ing?
Because /pol/fags don't like it when you treat them like a dog that made a mess on the carpet, and start rubbing their nose in their own bullshit.

>>53494209
...who would like that?
I didn't talk about the contributions of immigrant to nationalist feelings to avoid /pol/, but the thread still got [POLED]

>>53494272
>...who would like that?
Germans, and other people who hang around /d/, of course.

>tfw a thread you like devolves into shitposting and /pol/
>again.

>>53494176
thanks for enlightening us, Crusader of Social Justice.

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>>53494310

So it's no secret 7th edition has too many rules, and that makes for weird interactions. Most of that comes from the fact that there's rules for ignoring pretty much everything. Take morale for example. The 8th edition battleshock system is stupid, the 7th edition works just fine. The problem is there's a billion different ways to ignore it and everyone and their dog can. Vehicles having different armor on different sides is a fine system, the issue is the vehicle damage chart allows you to one shot or cripple any vehicle, but instant death for monstrous creatures is exceedingly rare. Better to just remove the damage table which, by the way, superheavies ignore almost entirely anyway. Templates aren't a terrible system, but blast scatter certainly can be and that's something I'm actually fine with going away. Deep strike scatter is a good mechanic as a risk vs reward. Same for reserves in general. Initiative is a good system that doesn't need "fixing", alternate activation for 1 phase of the game is dumb, either go all in or don't do it at all. I don't really have an opinion on armor save modifiers until I actually see it played, but it's fine in the few AoS games I've played although those are primarily melee.

The biggest issue with 7th, and I guarantee it won't be resolved at all by 8th, is the number of special rules. Stuff like Zealot, which gives both Fearless and Hatred...may as well just the unit those two rules instead of inventing a new package deal to remember on its own. Stubborn which invalidates a lot of stuff. ect etc. All those rules will still exist, but under multiple names over multiple armies so nobody knows what's what even though they have the same rules.

The best thing to come out of 8th is going to be the movement stat so that fast infantry can actually go fast, maybe the new psyker phase. 7th as a concept is fine, 8th just goes too far with it. So that's why I'm fine with 30k staying a mostly 7th game.

>>53494142
sound like a cool idea man, I'd go for it.
you've evn got a theme ready https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrxePKps87k

>>53494176
>>53494176
Strawman away. You literally said that minorities and women weren't "normal people", which is some bullshit when they're collectively the majority.

>>53494404
>You literally said that minorities and women weren't "normal people"
That's some pretty far reaching there, and/or some pretty bad reading comprehension.

I said normal people don't care about the kind of bullshit you were whining about, regarding "women and minority quotas". Normal people, to any rational person, isn't excluding women or minorities (but then, if you were rational, we wouldn't be arguing about how much you believe a made-up quote us 'true').

And like every right-wing fuck you'd rather try and win and argument on a technicality, than with facts, reasoning, or an argument with actual merits! So you decided to try and twist my words into meaning something they didn't. Well fuck you, because that's not what I said and anyone with two brain cells to rub together than clearly see that.

>>53494488
>>53494344
>>53494176
holy christ you fucking faggot, just kill yourself already, noone cares about your hurt feelings, go back to blebbid.

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No doubt Bligh is in a better place now

>>53494503
>Nooooo!
>You've completely shot down my attempts to twist your words!
>You faggot, stop ruining the thread with your feelings!
My feelings?

You're the one who said that he didn't care that the Trudeau quote was in fact not said him, because your FELT like it was true.

>>53494503
>>53494541
Look, neither of you is going to get the last word you want so how about you start posting about 30k or just SHUT THE FUCK UP

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>>53494488
As someone who's only skim-reading this thread, >>53493952 really does look like you're saying womens and minorities are either not normal people, not cared about by 'normal' people, or both.

Have this pic I took while on holiday, simply because I knew it would be useful for 4chan

>>53494603
Are they both Canadian?
I wish we had flags and IDnumbers :^)
>>53494624
Happiest strawman.

>>53494533
Any place is better than this hell.

>>53494624
do you not think that might be because you're skim-reading?

>>53494603
Bad mad /pol/ tard detected. Get salty and gb2 pol

>>53494603
Maybe I'm not. I've certainly argued with enough idiots from /pol/ to know what they're like.

That he's just going to keep throwing a fucking tantrum like a 2 year old who's being told "no" for the first time, he's already started screaming "reddit" and "kill yourself!", like he's not the one who's shitting up the boards. But I just can't help myself.

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>>53494646
Shitposting sent us to hell...but we're going even deeper. Take back the edition we lost

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>>53494672
>annoyed about /pol/ dragging us off topic
>get called /pol/

????

>>53494682
I get you, but engaging just drags things out and derails the thread. Might be better to just ignore in future

>>53494682
wow, you're so smart and awesome. What's your Reddit name so I can upvote your comments? bash the fash comrade xDD

>>53494745
>Might be better to just ignore in future
See that's what faggots like him want. All the faggots from /pol/ pull this shit now.

Because they've learned that if they just go REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! for long enough, everyone else gets tired of the noise and either fucks off, or in the future lets their bullshit slide, just because they don't want to deal with the noise.

Well fuck that!

>>53494750
And fuck you, you cancerous faggot!

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>mfw I stop painting my EC for a bit to check on /hhg/

>>53494877
Just keep going, nothing of worth in here.

>>53494804
>the guy whining the whole thread
>calling someone else reddit
>hurr hurr "you have to go back"
And all you have are retarded memes to reply with, at least people who'd start flamewars when I started coming here, oh around 9 years ago, at leas they would have fucking sentences with a subject and maybe even a point to them! As opposed to something you regurgitate without even having to think.

So keep posting your frog pictures and "you have to go back to weddit!". Because it doesn't change that you're the whiniest fucking bitches on 4chan. Neither does it change the fact that telling someone they don't belong on 4chan is basically admitting that you lost the argument, and always has been.

>>53494971
>please teach me to argue like you do
Well first thing you need to do is stop acting like a complete faggot who builds everyone who disagrees with him into strawmen, and also whines like a bitch when someone doesn't like the fact that constantly rubbing his feces all over the walls isn't welcome outside of his containment board.

Also...
>implying anyone cares about making this place into a "safe space", and doesn't simply want you to SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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>>53495286
great paragraph senpai, but nobody gives a fuck

>>53495350
>uhoh, I got btfo again
>better fall back to using memes instead of an argument, like usual

Well, after losing a few magnets of varying sizes, a couple layers of skin, sticking a few things to other things that really didn't want to be superglued and swearing a lot, I've got nearly every magnet on my Imperial Knight in the right place.

Are they any good in 30k? I kind of want to use one with my Admech because big stompy robots are fun, but with the overabundance of heavy AV I feel it'll just get obliterated.

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In a desperate attempt to get the thread back on topic, I'm not the greatest painter but here are some of my recent Fists.

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>>53495386
And some Seekers

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I think I found what made FW so bum blasted over 8th.

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>>53495406
WIP Sarg

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>>53495432
And finally some VDV-style Milita Grenadiers because I had some Scions hanging around

>>53495386
>>53495406
>>53495432
>>53495454
It won't work, we're being invaded by reddit and /pol/ at the same time.

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>>53495370
>he unironically thinks he btfo anyone or anything

your autism is too much ever for me to laugh at.

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>>53495509
Probably, but at least I tried.

would it be worth reporting them under global rule 3; off-topic?

>>53495574
You'll be banned for spamming if you try.

>>53495583
bugger

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>>53495386
>>53495406
>>53495432
>>53495454
Tbh, the paint is thicc, but its not to horribad levels either. For future models, try to thin the paint with water a little (usually a drop of water is enough for the amount in the paint well on the caps of Citadel or P3 paints). Once you're more confident in your skills, you can strip these guys with Simple Green and have another swing at them. Otherwise, keep it up

>>53495414
Plx be fake

>>53495677
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.

I'll try thinning next time and see how it goes.

Top 3 legion terminators? Either units alone or in combination with a RoW

>>53494877
You were too perfect for us :(

>>53495414
Volkites been in 40k for some time now.

Also:
>storm bolter
>twin boltgun
>identical stats

So... wut?

>twin assault cannon
>Heavy 12
>1 AC = 6 shots

We kheres now?

>autocannon causes 2 wounds

My nipples!

>>53496260
I think Justaerin after getting 2 wounds, Firedrakes, and Red Butchers are the top 3.

>>53494354
Agreed. But I am nervous that 8th will have even more special rules (or well, I was - I don't need to care anymore). Not universal rules, just those attached to every unit entry. The datasheets get pretty complicated. Too many weapon names, too.

>>53496625
But you only need to care about what you are using.

>>53496688
>It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.

>>53496688
Not him, but every game of AOS I attempted to play started with a 10-15 minute discussion of what was in our armies, how each unit worked, how they comboed, etc. Skipping the Explanation Phase always led to turn 3 (or less) tabling gg no re.

>>53496688
You already only need to care about what you're using. You can totally just not read all of the USRs and only read the ones your guys have. 8th doesn't change that.

>>53496858
At least 8th edition seems to be avoiding the AOS problem where shields worked entirely differently in each unit.

Seriously, GW, what were you thinking when you did that?

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>>53495517
>autism

Does anyone have the image of a World Eater with red markings on his helmet?

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>>53497035
I have this but I don't think it's what you're asking for.

>>53497006
>newfag

>>53497231
World Eaters have jagged red markings on their helmet to honor Angron. I haven't been able to google the image either.

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>>53497242

>>53497286
>>53497242
Can you fucking stop?

>>53497452
I just started. I don't even know what the conversation is about, but the other fag is a fag

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I can give my White Scars praetor a cyberhawk to allow nearby squads to reroll 1s to hit. Does that make plasma support squads (or combi-plasma vets) a good idea, or are they still too expensive?

>>53497550
>the other guy is the faggot, not me!
Yeah yeah, even if you aren't the guy I was arguing with, you're still an idiot.

>other guy recites a quote that's falsely attributed to a politician
>announces that they don't care that it's not true, because it FEELS true
>ignores the fact that the quote was built up as a strawman for the express purpose of idiots like him to point at

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>>53497958
>>other guy recites a quote that's falsely attributed to a politician
>>announces that they don't care that it's not true, because it FEELS true
>>ignores the fact that the quote was built up as a strawman for the express purpose of idiots like him to point at

jesus you're such a fucking insufferable retard, talking about strawmen while building one yourself. Nowhere did anyone say it doesn't matter because the quote "feels true" the point was that the weedlmao weedman was such a fucking cuck the enemy quote wasn't far fetched. That's why anyone who read it didn't have a hard time believing it.

you're talking about feefees but it's an undeniable fact that you're the one who got upsset, or lets say offended, by someone taking a fake quote and comparing it to the logic applied by Alpharius. And to that end you were the one who steered the discussion away from the HH, and into real life politics. Deny it all you want but anyone with half a brain can clearly see that. You started it, and you're still perpetuating it because you see the need to defend a politician online. No matter how I look at it, you seem to be a faggot.

>>53497958
>you're still an idiot.
>>53498274
>you're such a fucking insufferable retard
Both of you are right, you seemed to have confused Horus Heresy with Politics.

First hundred posts of this thread were decent, then people started sperging about huw buttblasted they were by the black woman magos and things went south from there,

Where is the chef? I demand he bake a new loaf for my most royal person.

What are you working on anons? I'm finishing my exams and I need to see some good models to keep me from shooting myself

>>53498274
>Nowhere did anyone say it doesn't matter because the quote "feels true" the point was that the weedlmao weedman was such a fucking cuck the enemy quote wasn't far fetched
It is very far-fetched and is exemplary of the kind of outright bullshit that the right cooks up all the fucking time to slander their opposition with.

Also they proved you wrong right here
>>53494046
>it doesn't matter if the quote is true
>it might aswell be true
And ignoring established facts because they contradict the shit you feel is fucking retarded.

>you're the one who got upset!
And yet I'm still not the one who started up the unrelenting shitposting.

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>>53498656
>And ignoring established facts because they contradict the shit you feel is fucking retarded.
established where? do you really think anone is interested enough in some cuck ass leaf to read up on news that the quote paraded around for years is actually false? No one even gives a shit because the quote being fake doesn't change anything, Trudeo was considered a cuck before that quote was fabricated and is a cuck still. It doesn't change a thing, and funny shit seeing a lefty fuck talk about slandering the opposition, when that's the very thing the left has been doing for decades, and only now sees their own weapons of lies and slander turned against themself.

And what are you even doing, claiming you're not upset while defending a politician on the internet with such tenacity. Get fucking real kid, taking snippets of posts out of context doesn't advance your argument either.
>it doesn't matter if the quote is true because in the face of leftist defeatism towards islam, it might aswell be true, even if it's just a hyperbolic meme.
how about arguing against the full sentence? guess that doesn't work that well since it doesn't conform with your strawman of a weevil right winger being hooked on a fake quote.

The point was never about the quote being real, the point was you being a fucking leftist cuck.

Reminder that all political discussions belongs on /pol/. All shitposters have therefore been reported.

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>>53498579
Inching forward on the Epic-scale Contemptors project.

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>>53499344
Now with Death Guard.

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>>53498579
Iron Warriors apothecaries, to give my blobs and maxed Iron Havoc squads some resilience.

>>53499344
>>53499364
>ywn run a hH epic army
Feels bad.

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>>53499417
Epic tonks are cute

>>53499451
>hey, has anyone seen my marine? i've been looking for him everywhere
>>shit man, let me help you find him

>>53499344
>Mark 3 Primaris marine

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>>53499369
No special backpacks?
>>53499586
Kek
>>53499496

>>53499344
>>53499586
>EVEN IN DEATH I AM STILL 5'11

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>>53498579
Painting a World Eater for painting reasons. Still a work in progress.
>>53499369
Could use a few hazard stripes.

>>53498958
>Established where?
Reality, where it's a provable fact that the quote in question was never said by Trudeau. I don't even like the guy myself, but it is fucking ridiculous to see idiots like you running around using completely made up bullshit to slander him with.

>how about arguing against the full sentence?
Why? Does it somehow make you look less retarded by highlighting that your dismissal of factual evidence is because you clearly have an unreasoning hatred for liberals and muslims? Because to me it looks like it makes you more obviously retarded. Also funny how you try and throw this in my face, when earlier you jumped all over a comment of mine, and tried to twist it into me saying that women and minorities weren't people.

As for the tactics that the left has been using, if you could point out some of the lies and slander you're talking about I'd love to address it, but considering that this is the typical knee-jerk bullshit that the right always accuses their opponents of, while engaging in themselves to an excessive degree, I'll hardly be surprised when you come up with little to nothing.

As to me being upset, I've posted quote coherently and consistently throughout this entire engagement, making thought out comments, and justifying my reasoning at almost every step. Compared to you, screaming " you have to go back!" and posting a picture of pepe on more than one occasion, I'm practically Clarence fucking Darrow.

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>>53499800
I'm not reading all that shit. But i'll have you know I don't care that you're upset about me slandering a politician.

>>53499800
You're caring too much about what some faggot in horus heresy general thinks about your opinion

>>53499909
>said the guy who's just plain upset

>>53499800
>>53499909
I hope you two have a very happy time banned.

>>53500120
Silly anon, the mods long abandoned this general, never to return. In the grim dankess of the far future there's only /pol/posting and the schreeching of autistic anons.

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why did GW decide to retcon these guys being a founding legion?

would anyone complain if I fielded them in 30k?

>>53501664
Probably some guys. I wouldn't mind but
>Muh Heresy
>Must be exactly identical with established canon

>>53501664

Well they're technically not "known" legion but they're still canon in 40k. Go for it anyway, I'd love to see Horus Heresy Rainbow Warriors.

>>53501664
You could totally get away with them as either Blackshields or just a chapter of an existing legion.

>>53501664
It would possibly be the gayest thing in 30k and I would call you a fag, but go ahead they're your doods.

>>53501664
I personally wouldn't have an issue, plus... a game's a game. But especially big-on-lore players might have an issue, or if you tried to bring up playing your "own" legion rules. Personally I'd run em as some sort of blackshield rules without marauders/reaver lords and with tacs and praetors, or the old "stubborn or furious charge" option for legions who didn't have proper rules yet.

>>53501664
Not sure why they got retconned, but they're now UM successors. Were they ever 1st founding?

Just call them a UM chapter. The color works, and that gives you rules to use.

Trying to read all I can on knights. Everything I've found is either 40k or HH book 3. Is there anything else? Like in one of the armor books or other fluff?

>>53503007
I assume you mean HH book 4. That's the big one for knight players.

The Porphyrion is introduced in book 7, but there isn't much knight material. Book 5 has some too.

In terms of Black Library novels, Vengeful Spirit and Master of Mankind have knight houses doing stuff.

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What Does this board think it would have happened if the primarch´s roles were reversed?

I mean, If horus, mortarion, angron, lorgar, aplharius omegon, konrad curze, perturabo, magnus and fulgrim were loyal, and ferrus manus, sanguinius, leman russ, lion el´jonson, corvus corax, vulkan, rogal dorn, jaghatai khan, Vulkan and roboute guilliman were traitors? Who would lead each side, and to what chaos god would the traitors turn?

>>53502877
>Were they ever 1st founding?
In RT they were

>>53503677
Alpharius would still be playing both sides like a retard.

>>53503761
RT didn't really have foundings and legions until the Realms of Chaos books.

>>53503677
Don't start, otherwise it'll be that Dornian Heresy bullshit all over again.

>>53503878
Shhhhh dont tell them.......thats the point..............


Jk. Jokes aside, I would really like to have more opinions on this matter

>>53503677
Guilliman's whole legion was caught unaware and paralized by the fear of the Emperor being dead, which further immobilized both Angels. Those guys had been traitors, including the Fists, Emps would have died and that would be it.
Especially because Magnus would still fuck up something important.

>>53504005
Thats one way to see it I hadnt thought off. Why do you think the emperor would have been outright killed if the roles were reversed

>>53503677
The Lion would've been the Lorgar to Guilliman's Horus.

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>>53504144
Having the Pharos, Guilliman doesn't need to capture Terra intact. He'll probably rebuild it as a monument world.
For the sake of the narrative, lets assume the story ends up the same, only with Horus being poisoned by Ferrus' talons of Laer, Emps enthroned, and Guilliman's soul erased after Emps uses the chink in his armour made by Angron, who held the Gates of Eternity.
>Come on in, erstwhile brothers! Let us bleed and our differences be solved by our blades!
Hell, the heresy would actually be more interesting, with Horus truly having to show mad command skills by using the double-disadvantaged loyalists (like Curze and Angron) , and use Mortarion the Reaper's and Perturabo the Praetorian of Terra's skills to hold the advance the disciplined undaunted traitors:
Dorn the breaker, Sanguinius the Bloody, Russ of the Beasts, Lion'El the dark knight, Ferrus first-murderer of the Iron Talons, and Warmaster Roboute, among others.

>>53489274
after magnus, lorgar had the best reason to go chaos after how the emperor treated him.

>>53504282
I find it interesting that you place Guilliman as Warmaster in the scenario. Makes sense since we're doing a complete flip scenario, but I wonder: had the traitors not had the Warmaster on their side, would the heresy have even gotten off the ground? Say Horus never fell at Davin. Could Lorgar have orchestrated turning the other primarchs and forging a cohesive war on his own? The Aurelian Heresy, as it were. I doubt it.

>>53493328
well omegon has the cabal representative sucked out an airlock in the next book

>>53493083
wut? humanity is Chaos' main fuel, they are the most populous species after the Orks and the Orks have their own Gods who gets their psychic emotions.

Without humanity chaos would die, which is why they will never try to wipe out humanity and in fact like the current state of things (decay/stagnation)

>>53493694
And Hitler had Jewish ancestry and pol pot was an urban intellectual

People with confidence issues tend to do this kind of hypocritical behavior.

>>53503677
>>53504282
>>53505324
It's pretty much canon that the only other guy of being Warmaster was Sanguinius, and if it wasn't Horus Sanguinius was the main choice for Chaos.

Sangy is literally Horus but without the daddy issues. In that way he is BETTER than Horus, and Horus knew that, which is why he tried to have Sangy killed instead of converted (as the Chaos Gods wanted) at Signus Prime

>>53503677
I can't see any scenario where Curze and Angron stayed loyal. Or where Russ, Dorn, Vulkan, Guilliman, and Sanguinius went traitor.

And Alpharius will ALWAYS fuck both sides

But that aside, Sanguinius would be the heretical warmaster and Horus the noble defender of Terra.

Dark Angels would be Tzeentch, White Scars Slaanesh, Wolves/BA Khorne, Salamanders Nurgle, Raven Guard/Ultramarines/Imperial Fists Chaos Undivided

>>53505559
Sangy's issue was an inferiority complex. Due to the wings he thought there was something wrong with him, that he was corrupted. The Red Thirst certainly didn't help him in that regard.

>>53503677
We would probably see the Alpha Legion waging an alternative Shadow Crusade against Ultramar. A tide of vicious insurgent and piratical maneuvers designed to keep the Ultramarines penned up and unable to bring the bulk of their numbers to bear.

HH is fucking dead game. Who play WF 8th? Same thing.

>>53506748
WF 8th is not supported. HH will be. It's a new line and a new game system. All that's happened is that its finally divorced itself from 40k for good.

>>53506748
Why is hh dead?

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>>53507483
>>53507483
>>53507483

By the decree of the Third Legion, in the name of the Emperor, all able-bodied Legionnaires are to proceed to the new bread!

>>53507093
He doesn't know that FW announced the Age of Darkness Rulebook and thinks HH will use 8th edition rules.