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>>53479488
fuck off with your gay troll thread

UNBAN GSZ PLS

>>53479488
double fuck you

>>53479525
How do you answer the reasoning that there's no reason for a deck with green creatures not to play some number of copies?

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Let's kick off this thread.
Grab a deck, shuffle up, post opening hands.
Testing my tweaked Burn list tonight and tomorrow. I can keep this hand and should draw in to a second land. T1 Guide, t2 Swifty + Rift Bolt. Seems pretty good.

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>>53479708
It's keepable. Able to fetch a forest off safewright, and if need be I can grab a land off stirrings

>>53479868
What deck is that? I dont recognize it.

Here's the tournament attire poll one last time (since the tournament weekend is almost over): http://www.strawpoll.me/13040177

Currently casual is still in the lead at 43%, but smart casual has really caught up and reached 35%.

Be on the lookout for one person rocking a tux or evening gown while playing a card game.

>>53479488
Your dedication to that shit thread is impressive, but we aren't going to use it. This is the real thread.

>>53479909
[/spoiler]belcher

>>53480031
Just ctrl s newfriend

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>>53480031
Way to fuck it up, me

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>>53479270
>What deck from another format do you wish was portable to modern?
Shops.

>>53480055
Not new, just filthy phoneposter

>>53480110
I don't even know if shops would be good in modern. The power level difference is so huge, it'd be like putting a fighting game you mastered on Super Easy mode. Sometimes something can be too easy and you end up hurting yourself.

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>>53479270
I just want one card to be Modern legal

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>>53480074
>>53480074
>preordain
>modern

What is this memery?

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>>53479270
post favorite plainswalker cards

anyway, im curious, why do people hate tron so much.

>>53480262
Man this deck looks so fun. I just wish it was better. Dropping $250 on Nobles for an untiered deck feels bad.

>>53480262
>mimic
Cmon there are better cards for spirits than a psuedo lord man.

>>53480307
it's not like it's the only deck that plays Noble and the manabase is fairly transferable to the other bant decks.

>>53480373
I know but I hate Eldrazi which is the only other Bant deck thats good. Or i guess Knightfall too.

>>53480282
Only interaction-fags hate it (control and midrange to a lesser extent), because it stops control from taking over the format.

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>>53480389
knightfall is better than Bant eldrazi right now

>>53480402
oh.

well, i guess thats one more thing for blue players to complain about.

i guess i could ask why is control shit in modern, but something tells me thats a stupid idea.

>>53480332
You have to play it to understand man. Soaking up removal for your relevant Spirits or putting a single counter on a Wanderer/Geist is huge. It's the only copy in the deck.

>>53480307
The deck is great, Durward won SCG Milwaukee Open with it. It's just that he also built it from nothing and might be the only pilot capable of those results.

>>53480332
Not that guy but mimic has some potential in tribal. Maybe as a 2of for stuff like spirits/fish, but the card has impressed me a bit.

>>53480402
>interaction fags
It's like they want to play a goddamn game or something.

>>53480307
>>53480413

T I E R S A R E U S A G E B A S E D

>>53480501
I have played it and it's extremely underwhelming, it either eats removal or puts a counter on one or two creatues before dying which honestly isn't huge. It also lacks evasion which is kind of huge in the deck. I'd rather be running Kira especially since were in a heavy spot removal meta or some maindeck hate like Kataki or other eidolon.

>>53480570
to be fair, if a 2mana creature gets killed after having put counters on another creature, that's already a fair deal, especially considering that a kill spell on a regular lord doesn't net you any extra value.
Card deserves a better shot imo

>>53480681
2 mana put some counters isn't exactly great though and considering we have better flips off of company I don't see any reason to run it.

Not to mention that there are cards that aren't as synergistic like reflector mage that are insanely good right now. There are better uses for the slot desu.

Is muh custom deck good?
13x swamp
8x dismal blackwater
1x westvale abbey
1x ob nixilis, reignited
1x sorin markov
1x diregraf captain
1x ghoulraiser
1x gisa & geralf
1x griselbrand
2x diregraf ghoul
2x gravecrawler
4x butcher ghoul
4x desecration demon
4x dark revelation
4x doom blade
4x sign in blood
4x smallpox
4x victim of the night

>>53480820
Look up B/W Smallpox.

>>53480519
Linear decks have just the right amount of interaction. Control decks get into no-fun-allowed territory.

>>53480785
Definitely not running a 3 mana non spirit.

Your assessment is a bit off imo. You aren't just getting a counter for two mana, you're getting a card out of your opponent's hand. That counter is also the difference between a Force Spike and actual factual counterspell, or the difference between a Geist that can attack vs one that can't. It could also just be the extra damage you need to force through in the air. It's pretty relevant at all points during the game. Kataki would be an interesting one to try. I've tried Eidolon of Rhetoric and it sucks. You're the player who wants to be casting multiple spells each turn. In the next iteration, if Mimic doesn't work (though it seems to be) I'm going to run a single engineered explosives main. It's one of the highest impact cards currently in the board.

>>53480936
Somebody call the whaaaaambulence.

>>53480983
Why? As long as Tron-bros are out there keeping control in check, everything's fine.

>>53480959
>3 mana non spirit
reflector mage is insanely good in the current meta and there was a time when this deck ran Rhox war monk main so I think that writing it off just because it isn't a spirit is incorrect especially since it;s not like were running 4. Not to mention that 3 drops are inherently better in a collected company deck and having a card that has an effect off of a CoCo is nice, especially since the Death's shadow decks run a limited amount of threats and locking them out of casting Ds or Goyf is insane and can set up for lethal swings.

Kira also all but turns off the opponents removal, has evasion and protects the rest of your team so I still think that's also better.

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>>53480864
>4x liliana of the veil
I ain't swimmin' in cash you know

>>53481065
You could try replacing her with something like Necrogen Mists or removal.

>>53480527
But how deck usage also correlates to how good a deck is in a particular metagame. So, it is indicative of how strong a deck is, but should not be the only indicator.

I've been playing burn and a homebrew control for a good while but honestly I'm tired of winning 1st-3rd at my lgs and getting salt from jund mouth breathers.every week on Saturday.

why do all of you modern fags build the same 3 decks? Do ALL of you do what the "pros" do or what?

Currently a EDH casual, been a collector for 20+ years, just started playing again recently.

>>53481284
If most people you know play jund it's time to move.

>>53481284
>why do all of you modern fags build the same 3 decks?
Err... that's Standard. There are 10 decks in Tier 1 alone in Modern.

>>53481284
I have elves, knightfall, Hatebears and bant eldrazi

I love GW, man. I can't not play it

>>53481284
>control

Fuck off

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>>53479270
>>Playing?
>>Brewing?
>>Metagame thoughts?
>>Discussion: What deck from another format do you wish was portable to modern?
>>how do you feel about the diversity in the tournaments recently?
blah blah blah thalia decks

>>53481284
No one at your LGS plays Tron?

>>53481326
He doesn't enjoy the best part of Burn: the salty losers. He's obviously a faggot of the highest proportions.

>>53481348
Would you make room for an SFM package if it were to be unbanned? If so, what would you shave for 3-4 SFMs and 2-3 equipments?

>>53481326
Must just be my LGS then. 10 of 12 of them always play jund.
>>53481337
Elves are the shit bro I thought about modern elves but if I can't go turn 1 with elves I'm not down with it. After seeing some of the shit I can do with all the dumb shit I've collected, there is no going back.

>>53481345
You sound retard son. Control is great. Blue is god level, I remember when shit actually was kinda burn like.
>>53481351
One guy does but he rarely shows up and he's one of the chillest players there desu. I enjoy playing against decks like tron, death and taxes ( currently working on a homebrew of it for modern in mardu colors), anything I don't see on top 8 lists all over really. Might just be because I've seen thousands of cards in my days.

>>53481130
Thanks for the tips and all, but can you tell me if the deck i listed would be good?

>>53481473
>3 color death and taxes
Lmao

>>53481473
>Must just be my LGS then
Yep, I know literally one Jund player.

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>>53479270

>Playing
UW Control without As Foretold memery when I'm on a win streak, DSJ if I need to win as much as possible
>Brewing
Why gimp myself when I can play the most efficient lists
>Metagame thoughts
I honestly think it's pretty decent. I wish SFM or Jace was unbanned but as long as I'm not against the mirror I think control is in an alright spot. I really wish tron was gone though so aggro could step down a notch.
>What deck from another format do you wish was portable to modern?
I want Nic Fit (legacy) to be a thing in modern so badly. Hell, just give me vet explorer. I want to go to Valuetown so badly.
>how do you feel about the diversity in the tournaments recently?
I'm glad that the vizier combo caught on. I love toolbox decks, but I also enjoy laughing at everybody that thought vizier was going to be shit/not as good as melira finks. I just wish the art was better

>>53481524
Just something to try out. I know it sounds crazy too.
>>53481542
there is another in my city but the one time I was there the owner tried to sell a Villa Zheng fake to me. Never returned.

>>53481600
If a store is selling fakes you should report that shit nigga.

>tfw you will never play lands in modern

>>53481626
lol wizards won't do shit. The store I go to has been around for 10 years. Once a guy accused the owner of selling fake older shit just for a refund. Absolutely nothing happens.

The most one could do is a smear, I'm not that kind of guy. If he is selling fakes oh well, his customers are just dummies for not knowing how to spot a fake card past 8th edition.

>>53482767
Not really worth talking about until we know it's real.

>>53482767
wrong set symbol

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>>53481429
at the moment, no. i wouldn't. SFM works contrary to Leonin Arbiter, which is the crux of our mana-denial and removal suite. this fact coupled with the higher incidence of artifact hate in modern from several common or top lists being heavily artifact-based leads me to believe that playing an SFM-equipment package in current modern WX Taxes lists would be a poor choice.

One could make a case for Bant Stoneblade or an Abzan Creatures-Toolbox Delirium list (read: Dark Maverick) based around SFM, Traverse the Ulvenwald and Knight of the Reliquary to be playable though.

>>53482767
My penis wants to believe.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolved-company/

Is this $$$$ enough?

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>>53480282

Me like ramp

>>53483116
>master of the feast
I had someone play this against me once. I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now.

>>53483170
5/5 flying CoCo/EE target?

>>53483187
That draws your opponent an extra card every turn. That's a crazy thing to do in Modern.

>>53483211
shhhhhh, I like free wins

>>53483211
If it comes out the opponent is usually dead your next turn or the one after. Rhonas is usually the first choice, but if you already have a Rhonas then another 5/5 won't hurt.

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Is this a good way to balance tutor effects?

>>53483246
>or the one after
The game won't last that long.

>>53483267
seems fine, wrong thread

>>53480820
>8 dismal backwater

>>53483272
Assuming you didn't just have your wolves, geists and Rhonas making out with each other, they won't have much life left to lose with another 5/5 coming down.

>>53483319
How fast does it goldfish? How consistently?

Hey so I've decided to try and get into modern FNM after years of just playing casually with my friends. I don't really know too much about the meta in modern, but I want to know whenever or not you guys think the deck I want to use is shit, and how I could improve it.

11x Island
11x Wastes
4x Tome Scour
4x Eldrazi Skyspawner
4x Negate
4x Cancel
4x Claustrophobia
4x Sphinx's Tutelage
4x Walker of the Wastes
4X Mist Intruder
4x Slip through Space
4x Talent of the Telepath
2x Pull from tomorrow

>>53483379
Sorry, but yeah, it's shit. The deck lacks focus and also uses a lot of cards that are just bad.

So is BW Eldrazi going to be big? It looks fun so I bought into it.

>>53483337
2 drop, evolve into obliterator, prey upon an opponent's creature is the most explosive hand with turn 3 being ideal.

But any option among Rhonas, a soulgorger, CoCo, or evolution is great. It's often that you get two of EE/CoCo, and the 5/5 is sometimes preferable to a soulgorger as another beatstick.

>>53483379
>modern
>FNM
Play the meta or go home kid

>>53483509
BW Eldrazi already existed. It was one the variants that was running around before PT Oath of the Gatewatch.

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No one has given me any useful feedback on this deck. Will it be ready for FNM this upcoming Friday? I am still trying to work on the sideboard, so do you have any advice for it.

>>53483687
Yep, totally ready. Go for it anon.

>>53483687
You should start by cutting the mainboard down to 60 cards.

>>53483536
Your deck cannot deal 20 damage on turn 3. I'm not saying it can't do powerful things, but it can't do that.

>>53483687
Your deck should have no more than 60 cards, because consistency is essential in mtg. You can't move any to the sideboard since the sideboard maximum is 15 according to the rules, so cuts are needed.
Also, you are going to need either dual lands or fetchlands. Even the poorest players are running either Evolving Wilds or a shitty tapland, which are worth next to nothing.

Some of these card choices are questionable. Appetite for the Unnatural is too inefficient and costly to play. You'd be better off with Naturalize or Natural State. Mind Sculpt is never used outside of mill decks, and mill decks are committed to their strategy.
Act of Treason is not used in modern, and probably for a good reason, at least not in mainboard.

>>53483803
No, but the original point was whether or not Master of Feists was worth a 1-of. That point is that you can consistently get in a rhonas or soulgorger, and swing with them. Once you do, turning a 1/1 young wolf into a 2/2 young wolf plus a 5/5 flyer can win the game.

The explosive start is having obliterator fight a req knight, goyf or other guy and making them sac their board turn 3.

>>53483687
Why do I feel like you are actually being serious? If you are go look up resources on deck building and the modern format. That should make it clear why the main idea of that deck is terrible and why it will not win a single match.

>>53483901
The deck is meant to get Ink-Treader out and then cast spells on it that synergize with its ability. Act of treason allows me to take control of every single creature my opponent controls, making it very powerful together. Surely winning on turn 5 is acceptable for a competitive format.

People never seem to discuss the pros of running more than sixty cards; it lets you have more variety in play styles, which is good when facing strong decks.

Mind Sculpt is meant for very slow grindy control decks, so I can easily win a long game.

>>53483973
>People never seem to discuss the pros of running more than sixty cards; it lets you have more variety in play styles, which is good when facing strong decks.
I keked.

>>53483434
Alright so what would you recommend I do to make it less shitty? I want to run a control/mill deck if it wasn't obvious enough. What cards would you recommend me trash and replace to get a better deck?

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>>53483973
I remember when shitposts used to have quality

>>53484044
Look at this primer for inspiration: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/221596-ubx-mill

If you want to be a mill deck, be a mill deck. If you want to be a control deck, be a control deck. Pick a path and commit to it.

>>53483973
A deck with over 60 cards loses consistency and makes it less likely for you to get the cards you need. Fetchlands are designed to not only increase flexibility in your manabase, but also thin out your deck of lands so you are more likely to draw cards to play.
If you are running 4 colors, you NEED non-basic lands, since getting the wrong lands is far worse than getting your non-basics Blood Mooned. Most decks run 2-3 colors. Having only one color risks lack of versatility, but having 4-5 risks inconsistency.

Or are you pretending to be retarded?

>>53484140
>Or are you pretending to be retarded?
Considering how many times he's posted this and the fact that he even tried to make an entire modern general about it (before the current general was done)...

>>53483942
You are sacrificing creatures to gorger before you get to swing with it and it doesnt even have trample. Plus that explosive start seems really hard to pull off given that you only have 4 dorks and 4 fight effects. The deck seems too janky

>>53483379
Read the primers on the modern format and youll see why your deck is terrible. Long story short though is that your deck is unfocused and youre running a lot of very bad cards.

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What do you guys think of 5 color aggro? I saw it being played while watching an Open and thought it looked neat.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/750970-five-color-aggro

Granted, the deck isn't all that powerful compared to the broken things other decks are doing, but it seems like a solid fair deck for people who like aggro. It also seems like future sets could actually print a fair number of cards that could see play in it, giving you an excuse to actually follow the new set releases.

>>53484624
Look into the Tribal Death's Shadow deck played at GP Copenhagen today, it made top 8.

>>53484133
Alright, thanks for the advice.

>>53484756
You mean Geissler's list? I mean, it's another aggro deck, but it's not really doing the same thing.

>>53484861
>>53484624
I kinda love that deck, there's something special about Noble into Mantis Rider into Falkenrath.

I'm not sure if it's any good, but there was that one creature with Converge is BFZ that looked promising, although I'm not sure if it's worth, especially if you're running Parruns

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>>53485026
This guy?

I really want to make mono green stompy good and competitive, but i'm just don't know how. I think Rhonas has a place, but I don't know after that. Any ideas from you guys?

>>53485187
Cut all of the cards and add all of the cards from DSJ. There just made the most competitive deck in the format.

>>53485356

Can you show me where Thoughtseize touched you?

>>53485389
I would think it's obvious where thoughtseize would touch someone.

>>53485356
Wow, thanks for this constructive and totally helpful response. Thanks!

now does anybody some real advice regarding the original subject?

>>53485187
My only experience with it is from the other side of the table. All I can really say is that it needs to either go faster or offer some disruption.

>want to buy into dredge
>prices are probably going to spike up now

>>53485516
>tfw bought into BW Eldrazi before the spike
Feels good. Hope nothing gets banned.

>>53485516
Wouldn't be surprised considering that it top 8'd both GPs.

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>>53485516
>tfw bought into dredge when it was 400 and GGT was legal so I got to be the format boogieman for a while
Feels amazing

Has anyone else actually bothered to look at the Affinity list that made it top 8 in Kobe? I feel like Kagawa was taking the piss. Coco in Affinity? Cutting a Blinkmoth and Glimmervoid for maindeck'd Inventors' Fair and Sea Gate Wreckage?

What madness is this?

>>53485439

There really isn't a response to it because green stompy is a welfare deck for a reason. The only thing I could say that would make stompy viable right now is if they wizards unbanned zenith and combo disappeared completely from the meta.

>>53485943

Pardon me, I meant competitive, not viable.

>>53485639
Japanese tournaments are always either weird as fuck or spicy as fuck, at all levels of play. I love it when I get a chance to play over there.

>>53480820
No. It's hot garbage and would is literally unplayable in a tournament as you have 8 copies of a card. If you like zombies play dredge.

Weathered Wayfarer in Bant Spirits as a one of?

has anyone tried a slower version of infect in sultai or bg after probe banning?

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So I guess this card is Modern playable?

>>53486589
2cmc, dies to basically all removal, and is only doing 2-3 damage per turn.

I would think not unless you have a shell that abuses it.

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>Play Burn/Affinity/low land aggro decks
>Do well, get bored and try to play something with less linear gameplans1. Try good old 22-24 land Abzan/Jund
>Flood. All the fucking time. Every single game. Always lose at least one game per match purely to flood. Opponent gets slight edge that literally any card in the deck can stop but just keep drawing lands.

I am fucking over this game. Why the hell does this keep happening? I know it's probability but I swear ot uttter fuck i nthe last 8 matches I've played I've flooded out in at least one game, literally every time.

I don't understand why everyone doesn't just play linear aggro decks, seeing as you'll lose to your own fucking cards 33% of the time with anything else.

>>53486656
Got top 8 at Kobe.

>>53486711
A lot of bizarre things got top 8 at kobe. Japan is going to be Japan.

>>53486668
>>Flood. All the fucking time. Every single game. Always lose at least one game per match purely to flood. Opponent gets slight edge that literally any card in the deck can stop but just keep drawing lands.
those decks play 2-4 manlands to mitigate this effect.
>oh man im flooding
>good thing i can attack with these faggoty land cards

>>53486770
>Never draw those
>Have them get hit by Spreading Seas/Fulminator/Path/Fatal Push/100 other cards

It rarely makes a difference.

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>Keep losing because not practicing
>Don't want to practice because of constant loses

This game makes me feel like such a dork.

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>>53486806
>all this negativity
you set yourself up to lose because you think like a loser. get over it.

>>53486874
Also, unless you have the good fortune to have someone to practice with, practicing by yourself feelsbadman.jpg

>>53486711
Nips have the dankest memes

>>53486728
Yeah, but top tier netdecks are there too. They just lost to it.

>>53486966
>results oriented thinking

>>53486392
The problem is the point of Infect was that it was the fastest Modern deck along with Affinity. Infect usually lost games where the opponent had removal enough to stave them off to the late game and so a slow infect is just not good. Gitaxian probe made sure the coast was clear and fueled delve. The only real replacement is Street Wraith and at that point you may as well play Deaths Shadow.

>>53486668
You could cut a single land to mitigate this or run powerful card advantage or high cmc spells like Suns Champion. I know the pain bro.

>>53486668
You could run Dark Confidant, Mentor of the Meek, or Weathered Wayfarer.

>>53479971
I voted smart casual. But in an ideal world people would be required to wear morph suits of the colours they play.

>>53487457
What about people who play colorless decks?

Transparent morph suit?

>>53487534
Transparent works. Gray if opacity matters.

>>53487364
Running a playset of Confidant's and a Chandra mainboard, still seems to draw lands or low-impact discard the entire late game.

I know the deck is good, it's not even that different from stock lists, but I'm almost tempted to just go back to burn since I know this will happen rarely.

>>53479525
It is unbanned. It's called Traverse the Ulvenwald.

>>53486589
In a deck full of restoration angels, flickerwisps, eldrazi restoration angel and saheeli it's probably pretty real. It's not like the mono white decks don't play a whole range of worse cards anyway.

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My friend is interested in turn his Standard GB Delirium Deck (from before Aether Revolt). Besides 4 of these and 4 Overgrown Tomb, where should he start, making it into something half competent?

>>53487943
probs a couple blooming marsh

>>53487943
Would help to have a list. The closest Modern equivalent would probably be the BGx Death's Shadow lists.

>>53487987
There are some grim flayer/traverse decks floating around that seem alright and closer to to what the regular deck is.

I have an idea for an esper control deck. Something along these lines

4 ancestral visions
2 path to exile
4 fatal push
4 inquisition
4 thing in the ice
4 snapcaster
3 think twice
2 vendilion clique
3 yahennis expertise
2 cryptics
2 elspeth suns champion

Thoughts?

>>53488977
Thing is trash.

As Foretold is better that Expertise if you want synergy with Ancestral.

Always max out Esper Charm before you run any Think Twice. Charm is a much stronger card.

In a format with spaghetti monsters and K Command, you always want to max out on Path before you run any other removal.

>>53489068
Fair points

>>53482767
"perde"
pfffhahahahh
what a shitty fake

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>>53479971
>>53487457

B G X

>>53486265

Probably too slow and 0 synergy

You don't want to hit him with CoCo

>>53489602
Ho Lee fuc
Please do it.

Which color is a better splash for Bring to Light Scapeshift: black or white?

Alright, who of you did i just meet?

Played a guy playing GW Cats or something similar.
I was on mono white quest for the holy temple, and he complained about being netdecked.

When he finished with typing "l8r cuck", i knew he had to be from here.

>>53490647
you were graced by an alpha that's all we can be certain of

>>53490647
It was me. Surprised you have time to even make this post, shouldn't you be netting decks you cuck?

>Been playing Jund for years
>Face off against Collected Counters player, obviously just netdecked the hottest item right now
>Game three
>Give him the full girth of my 20 removal spells post board

Feels so good to shut someone down every single turn of the game.

>>53492616
>Feels so good to shut someone down every single turn of the game.
This is what blue-fags want Modern to be 24/7.

>>53492616
>beats the hottest meme flavor of the month
>feels good about it

Congratulations, I guess?

>>53492616
>jund wins
>vs creatures
color me surprised!

let me guess - you killed all his d00dz and bashed with a raging ravine on turn 15?

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>>53489602

You count the burn spells 1, 2, 3

life goes down, anything goes

>>53494308
Count the artifacts on T1: 1, 2, 3...

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>>53494369
In so big of a rush to dump my hand, forgot pic.

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>>53494369

Affinity is clearly pic related

grey, mindless blobs should be eldrazi tron

>>53488977
Thing in the ice is 100% not as good as you think it is. I'd play MAYBE 2. Same goes for fatal push, except fatal push is still pretty good so I run like 2-3. Also, consider the following.
Narset transcendent.
Zendikar Gideon.
More board sweepers.
There's also a kinda sweet lockout combo with eidolon of rhetoric and geier reach sanitarium but I ain't sure if'n you think it's worth restricting yer own card draws m'boy.

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>>53479971
>>53494476
>>53494389
>>53494308
>>53489602
>>53487457

red

Interactionfags

>>53497067
What about them?

>>53497067
>>53497375
yea what about them

Never played anything except kitchen table and limited.

Standard is dogshit.

What's the best modern deck to buy into.

>>53497572
Obviously Bogles.

>>53497572
Modern has a variety of competitive decks.

Check the resources in the OP and find something that fits you.

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>>53497572
4u fampai

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>>53479708
this is a solid hand. plenty of mana sources. reunion has a decent chance of finding a vengeance for turn 3 gristle. brutality buys time if the turn 3 does not materialize. keep.

>>53497572
Modern is also dogshit. Play legacy and EDH.

>>53498109
t1 iok, cathartic, gg?

>>53498185
EDH is also dogshit.

Legacy is full of blue.

Does anyone play equipment in their death and taxes decks?

>>53498185
>muh legacy

Enjoy your dead format

>>53498251
Not that I've seen.

>>53497600
?

>>53497655
I'm looking for something not too punishing, hard to tell from deck lists.

>>53497686
Neat.

>>53498471
>?
Bogles is a deck that buffs small hexproof creatures with auras to make them monstrously huge and kill the opponent.
>not too punishing
As in what? Easy to pilot?

>>53498218
it would take me an average of maybe 3 turns to draw into a kill from there so if you can kill me by then, probably gg
Having the brutality too makes it a bit harder for you since i can pitch gris and from there, discard can't protect you from the topdecked vengeance or cantrip into vengeance

>>53498507
Yeah, I don't know even a small fraction o the decks/cards, so I can't really play smart

>>53498782
Burn is always a thing. Why not give that a shot?

>>53498816
Burn is boring.

>>53497375
Why do they love to interact so much?

>>53498185
>says Modern is dogshit
>suggests a dead format (Legacy)
>suggests the literal worst Magic format ever to exist populated by gigantic autists

>>53498782
A great simple deck to play is Bant Spirits or Zoo

>>53498782
Boogles is probably the easiest deck to pilot. Just keep hands with creatures in it and games will basically be decided on their own.

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Reporting in. Won most of my games this morning, tron feels like a really bad matchup though and I've been struggling with it. Trading Post has been amazing, mostly as a way to pitch cards to get out of aggro decks range and get under a Bridge but I've used all of it's abilities.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-02-17-modern-tezz/

>>53499792
>complains about bad Tron matchup
>doesn't run Ghost Quarter at all
fucking lol

>>53498782
Just run Bogles then.
You'll win games and you won't have a hard time piloting the deck since it basically runs itself.

>>53499947
More like

>complains about bad tron matchup
>can't kill them before turn 4

>>53500068
What the fuck do you think Ghost Quarter is for?
It slows them down so they don't get Tron on turn 3.

>>53500086
>give them a colored mana source while putting yourself down a land
>they end up getting tron anyway
Majority of the time GQ doesn't do much and a lot of decks can't even afford to run it. The only way to consistently beat tron is to be faster than them, interacting with them is literally pointless

t. 4 GQ and a crucible main

>>53500162
All I know is that my deck normally wins turn 4 and against Tron with GQ, I can at least get there and have a chance.

LETS BUILD A MODERN DECK
I'll start

x4 Birds of Paradise

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Why is the gatherer text on this so weird? They make it sound like it can't be counterspelled

>>53500530
x4 Seismic Assault

>>53500530
4x Noble Hierarch.

>>53500577
If it resolves it exiles all the spells on the stack. If it gets countered none of its effects happen.

>>53500530
>>53500582
>>53500591
4x Swans of Bryn Argoll

>>53500612
How does it work "in response" to Ad Nauseam?

Can I cast it when he's only drawn 30 cards?

>>53500665
4x Ink-Treader Nephilim

>>53500704
Ad Nauseam goes on the stack
Cast Glorious end.
Ad Nauseam gets exiled.

>>53500778
Trying to sideboard w/ Skred

I think I'd actually rather have Vexing Shusher rather than Glorious End because it's a house against Esper Control which can be a really bad matchup too

Ideally you'd pithing needle Lightning Storm AND Seismic Assault, then if they try to Lab Man you just bolt him before the cantrip resolves with Shusher's ability

>>53499947
I'll try 3 Quarters, probably -1 Darkslick -1 Darksteel and -1 Tar Pit.

>>53497686
How good is Bushwhacker Zoo?

>>53500865
Not as good as 8Whack so it's irrelevant.

>>53500530
16x Forest

>>53500910
What's the difference?

>>53500965
4 Glimmervoid

>>53500983
Price, mostly.
>inb4 $$$$$$$$$$$$$ fags

>>53500983
Zoo is Naya with Bushwhackers and 8Whack is Goblin Tribal more or less.

Can't say which is better. In my opinion if you're just going to aggro anybody out in this format you might as well just play Affinity or Burn.

>>53500983
Goblin Grenades. Gives the deck some serious reach.

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1vs1 EDH is a more fun format than Modern, tbqh.

>>53501448
Lies, though it is better than multiplayer.

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I've been gone for awhile. What happened to this creature? I mean, it got Pod banned because it was so good, and now no one plays it.

>>53501521
It roams the wastelands of Frontier, triggering the scant few lost souls who still believe that format is worth a damn.

>>53501521
Some abzan shitters use him

>>53501521
It's in 5-color Aggro ;)

In general, the 4/5 body doesn't match up well to a big goyf or death's shadow.

>>53501521
Pls unban pod wizards he was a good boy dindu nuffin bad for the format

got my sign ready for the next B&R

>>53501521

Funny enough it's still a great creature in Nic Fit. Legacy players never expect a trip to value village when I GSZ rhino for lethal.

>>53501681

I really wish /tg/ would shut the fuck up about DSJ. All of you faggots act like it's the only deck in existence.

>>53501521
I miss him and Dark Confidant. Modern may be more diverse but the creatures are fucking annoying. Fuck Thought Knot Seer and Reality Smasher. Seriously fuck them. Ban Eldrazi Temple.

>>53502873
This.
>post a decklist
>some shitter replies with "replace everything with DSJ lol"
>ask about a creature
>"its not deaths shadow so its shit"

>>53502873
No, but the deck that was running Siege Rhino (Abzan Midrange) has largely been swallowed up by Death's Shadow. It just doesn't fit into the deck anymore.

>>53502949
It's simply been replaced with more metaoriented powerhouses such as Vhati.

Why doesn't DnT run serra avenger like it's Legacy counterpart?

Is anything worth taking away from Kobe? Is Company Affinity the new way to go? Is Glory-Bound Initiate Control a real thing? Is BW Eldrazi Tier 1?

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Would a card like this be playable in storm decks?

>>53503912
are you serious?

2 mana for two lightning bolts but might be nothing? nope.

>>53503954
Concession applies to the copies as well.

>>53503862
No and in case you weren't aware Jap tournaments always have weird shit so they tend to not be a great source of info for metagaming unless you have a meme meta.

>>53503963
that's actually worse because you only have a 25% chance of casting two lightning bolts. 12% for 3, etc.

what role does it fill in a storm deck, exactly?

>>53503954
Do not reply to custom-card fags.

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>>53503996
A potential out against losing matchups. Casting it gives you a small chance to win the game on the spot.

That said, would a card like this help to make jeskai aggro viable again?

>>53504003
sorry anon, I'll refrain from now on. I don't go in these generals much so I don't know what to look out for, most of the people here are absurdly bad at magic.

>>53503912
I actually really like this keyword. Chance is an awesome element especially if the card is very good but you take a risk for more impact

>>53504022
>most of the people here are absurdly bad at magic
love this meme

>>53503822
Dies to Bolt and Push

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247th for
BLUE
STAFF

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/blue-staff/

>>53504474
Explain to me how this pile works and I'll go play it on Xmage

>>53504474
249th for fuck off with this shit meme deck

>>53503822
Because it's shit?

hey guys I need help building a deck, what are some cards that play with +1/+1 counters? like kalonian hydra, zamsec guildmage, or even scavenging ooze.

I /kinda/ have a decklist, but I'm still really new and don't know whats out there.

>>53505423
I'm currently running Norin Sisters so pretty much that entire deck
Allies as well

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>>53505167
It uses power cards (mox and isochron) to do vintage level things such making infinite mana and drawing your deck.

>>53505182
253th for ban opal

>>53505423
Arcbound ravager. If you want to build a modular deck, then affinity is what you looking for

>>53505748
>ban opal
This meme is still floating around I see.

new player here

do phryexian mana symbols count as devotion to the color they represent?

>>53506317
Yes.

>>53505423
I have just what youre looking for

https://youtu.be/FsflkqiTsNo

>>53499697
>>53502873
It's funny how similiarly stupid Bogles and DS are alike.

>>53504474
so I've been play testing this on the tappedout playtester and it seems like literally ANY disruption just throws your whole game plan in the trash. like even good hands that combo off on T4 go down the shitter if they blow up the stick in response to the first activation, or if they thoughtseize you turn 1 and you have almost no way to survive while you wait to top deck more combo gas

cool deck idea but I just don't think it's very competitive friend

>>53504474
add ritual of restoration for tseize?

why is magnifying glass in this, there are a ton of better options, right?

>>53506762
well with infinite mana going you can make infinite clues and crack them to draw your deck and find the BSZ you need. that's the purpose I suppose, there may be a better choice

>>53506843
I see, maybe that is the best option after some gatherer searching.

>>53506638
At least it's creatureless so interactionfags need to draw their other forms of interaction.
if they respond with removal, you can combo in response, unless they kill scepter before it imprints anything.
It's a solid tier 4

Is mono-white humans an actual joke, or am I getting rused?

Obviously Champion + Thalia's Lieutenant + Thalia is the actual shell, but I've seen so many different lists I'm not sure which is the 'legit' version.

>>53506997
>actual joke
Actual deck.

>>53506997
>mono white humans
>am I getting rused
Probably by Craig Wescoe

>>53507021
Not Standard, though. I know I'm in the right place for modern.

>>53506997
I think you'll have a hard time against the jund shells that can kill your creatures that are relevant.

Control might be tough.

Depending on the combo you might have a good matchup or it might be a 70-30 matchup.

Probably tier 3.

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Look guys I made yuo a meme!

>>53507372
I don't get it.

>>53507401
it's "net decking".

>>53507415
Ah. Got it.

There's no judge thread up right now, but is it legal to take my daki to a tournament and play my rounds with her?

Asking for a friend

>>53507068
Well that's a damn shame. I went to take a look at the suggestion at someone at my store, but came up short when it came to actually finding the decks, despite my excitement at the idea.

I don't regret buying a playset of paths or anything, though.

>>53507500
It can't have anything lewd on it or interfere with gameplay.

>>53506997
Soul Sisters is probably the best version of Mono-white humans you can play so there's always that.

>>53507532
If you want to play an aggressive deck just play affinity. It's really fun to play.

But I play modern to play combos.

>>53507584
I'm very very new to the format, so I'm just poking around. Soul Sisters does indeed look extremely fun, though. How is it?

>>53507632
Can be good.
Pretty weak against hand destruction but can come back quickly against basic removal so it's quite resilient.

want to get into Modern.As standard hasnt been fun for a while

Anyone got a decently working U/B Faeries Deck that isnt as expensive as my Car-repair bill?

Im fine with buying thoughtseizes and bitterblossoms as theyre pretty iconic but I cant afford a playset of Ancestral Visions and all those 50$ Lands, But I've got pushes, SmuglersCopter and Lillianas I guess?

>>53507661
Why UB Faeries if I may ask?

>>53507632
Solidly tier 2, been around forever, will never be banned. You probably won't spike a tournament with it because you're weak to certain combo decks.

>>53507661
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper
You can get storm for under 500, along with burn. If you have the liliana of the veils it'll be a little cheaper to buy into a jund deck but it's still insanely expensive.

Don't play some stupid brew if you're going to spend a bunch of money anyways.

>>53507632
Here's a good primer
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/490942-soul-sisters

If you want to play an aggressive white deck, just play death and taxes. Really strong hate.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/tier-1-modern/724274-death-and-taxes

>>53507551
Is there a definition of lewd or is it just no nudity/overtly sexual stuff?

>>53507710
dude don't be a fucking weirdo in public

>>53507730
just asking for a friend haha :^)

>>53507675
>>53507685

Because I'm a horrible person I guess?
Mostly because Im really digging the Theme
Love the artwork on the cards
I like tribals (or atleast decks that arent just 60 cards with 0 lore connection between them)
and setting the gamepace and having actual choices of playing pro/reactively seem pretty fun* especially when you casually skip your opponentss untap phase.
Afaik there is also no one in my LGS playing it/prepared for it

But I guess being new to modern its probably not a very beginners friendly deck

I really dislike Burn because its that straightforward

I might just try the mono-Blue Budget one on Goldfish

>>53507832
>not beginner friendly
Got that right

>>53507685
>>53507700
Both of those look really good. Not really sure if it's necessarily within my price range just yet (I'm building towards Modern slowly. Love what I see of the format but I can't drop money all at once right now), but they both look super fun. Especially the Death and Taxes build, that thing looks wonderful.

>>53507832
If you want a tribal deck that is quite good, try eldrazi
It's more straightforward than faeries tho

>>53508401
Eldrazi sounds cool too, can I use Emmy decently or is it just Ulamog turn 4 win like in standard?
Im fine with Ramp and stuff but I dont like the Idea of just running 28 lavaspikes some hastes and lands

>>53507632
I highly recommend playing red/white so you can play norin.

>>53508686
Faeries player here. While the deck is fun it feels like an uphill battle most of the time, mainly because how aggressive the format is and how much damage the deck deals to itself. With push and ancestral visions the deck got better but it still weak against a good chunk of the meta. I would recommend looking into uw or bant spirits. It plays very similar to faeries and its actually very decent.

Which is the better deck? Bant Spirits or BW Tokens?

>>53508982
BW tokens IMO. I'd rather be disrupting my opponent's hand and casting path to exile with the current metagame.

>>53508744
Does Norin Sisters run Impact Tremors?

>>53508990
This is good logic but Spirits gets Nobles CoCo and Queller. Its so hard to choose. I really wish the top tier of decks wasnt so boring, Tron is mouthbreather tier boring, Ive played Burn so much its started to wear on me, Deaths Shadow Jund is way too pricy, Affinity is interesting but not my style and Storm is solitaire.

>>53509016
why not play dredge?

>>53509016
>>53509032
here. I honestly think that the modern metagame right now is the best in years. It's really open, there's a ton of different stuff to play. Sure, there's some really "top tier" decks but the magic online results show that affinity (the top deck) is only like 6% of the meta which is kind of absurd. We haven't seen that in standard in years.

>>53508982
Having played both i can tell you that tokens can have very good plays (t1 hand disruption, t2 anthem, t3 token generator) but spirits is more consistent. With tokens sometimes it feels like youre drawing the wrong half of your deck. Topdecking bitterblossom or hand disruption on the late game instead of the removal or the anthem effects sucks. With spirits it mostly feels that is all gas, specially if youre running stuff like coco.

>>53509095
>>53508990
here, I haven't actually played the decks so I would defer to this guy's judgement.

With so many fatal pushes in the format though I _really_ don't want to be playing spell queller. I think having a really proactive strategy is important at the moment.

>>53509070
Modern is great right now i really enjoy it but i just find that i wish some of the other lower tier decks were better. At least its not like Legacy where if your deck isnt top tier it is literally unplayable and will constantly lose. The difference in power level between top tier decks and the rest in that format is what ruins it for me. Modern is much more fair and the top decks are only just slightly better then the others.

>>53509070
It is. I almost never play against the same deck in one night at my lgs for the league or fnm. Its beautiful.

Skaab Ruinator in Bant Spirits as a two of?

>>53509118
Spell queller isnt as much of a counter but more of a tempo play. Plus the beauty of spirits is that their synergies make it very hard to get rid of them. The deck can easily turn into aggro once you have a lord too. But hey, play what your heart tells you to.

>>53509157
it's just my style of play I guess. When I play modern I want to play a combo deck (I've played storm and scapeshift mostly). Even if your opponent is on something weird, you can get on with your strategy, there are just some specific hate cards you have to play around as well as their disruption.

>>53509127
>>53509124
yeah it's pretty awesome. I wish it was more popular where I live.

Modern is great IF you aren't a control player.

>>53486589
This list is pretty bad. I could see Glory-Bound being good first game, then take him out g2 and shut down their removal. But the sideboard is shit.

Should I build Bant Eldrazi or Eldrazi and Taxes?

>inb4 Eldrazi Tron

Can the tempoy jeskai nahiri decks make a comeback?

What is everyone brewing for Frontier?

>>53509917
If we're gonna have meme formats then I'd rather have block.

>>53509944

This is Modern general friend, we are all here for a dead meme format. Frontier is going to be the next thing, and I just want to know what everyone else is planning to play. It's not a meme.

>>53509954
Are you fucking serious? No one plays frontier but nips. Good luck with that meme

>>53509954
>modern
>dead
uh frontier is about 10,000x more dead than modern

>>53510039

Actually they are both equally dead at the moment since Modern has no more tournament support. Frontier is on the rise however, Modern has come and gone it's time to move on.

>>53510058
>no tournament support
Is this a joke? There were two GPs and an open this past weekend you nigger

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>>53509133
>Skaab Ruinator

You aren't going to cast that a lot with how protected spirits are. Hexproof, indestructible from selfless, etc

I'd rather use pic related

>>53509954
Have I stepped back in time to when people actually believed this?

>>53510070

>racist slurs

Back to /pol/ with you

>>53510147
shut up newfag I'm not some idiotic /pol/ subhuman you used to be able to say nigger and faggot but /pol/ ruined everything

>>53510181

>I'm not a racist I just use racist slurs

You need to leave, /tg/ is not a board for your alt right nonsense.

>>53510188
>>53510147
Just go back to whatever leftist hellhole you came from, nigger. Seriously, you're not welcome here.

>>53510353
>"don't be a cunt"
>immediately jump to trying to defend your fragile "us alt righters" id by lumping the other guy in with your favourite bogeyman

You uptight losers need to find some self esteem.

You two seem to have wandered away from an important fact: frontier is shit, frontier is dead, frontier is being buried as we speak.

>>53510353
>>53510387

Kindly fuck off


>>53510405

I wouldn't mind having another format, honestly. I just hope the failure of frontier gets wotc's collective heads out of their asses so they start reconsidering modern

>>53510433
>I wouldn't mind having another format
As a casual format I don't care, but wotc doesn't support the official formats enough as it is.

>>53510433
Did Wizards actually have anything to do with frontier?

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>>53510461

Nope. I could see them thinking

>oh, people make their own formats anyway and they do good, we don't really need to support anything that isn't standard

And that's not the case anymore

>>53508993
Usually
Back when I played the deck, Khan's had only had just came out so I used purphoros instead

>tfw you get double drogskol captains off a coco in response to a removal spell targeting spell queller
Eternal boner

>everyone says Japanese decks suck
>no one takes their tier 1 decks there and cleans shop
Really makes me think.

>>53511178
>spending $1800 and flying for 34 hours to play a card game for a weekend
no thanks

>>53511246
You'd make even more getting first.

>>53511246
>He doesn't live in Japan teaching English to Japanese children
Do you even when?

>>53511527
>wanting to live in Japan
no thanks

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>>53511178
I don't think they suck, I think that the meta is strange and warped there so that certain niche cards are stronger there than the more homogenized spike market the rest of us live in. Japs are ALL autists that have to have their personally spiced deck.

Thanks for all the tips. :)

>>53499971
>>53499697
Might try this, as it seems like a decent fit.

>>53499530
I'll have a look into them. :)

>>53498816
Unlikely to pick up burn, not sure how fun it is.

>>53512734
>not sure how fun it is.
It is the most fun deck in the format.
Shout lighting Bolt whenever you cast a spell no matter what the spell is.

>>53511178
Mostly what you see over there is jamming cards into established decks: it's a kind of kooky attitude towards deckbuilding that I like.

When I had a chance to chat up some players at Hareruya Osaka between rounds, the explanations I got centered around two things: unpredictability and lines of play. Some players like finding good cards that you can get away with jamming because seeing a bizarre line of play can lead to misplays and misreads, and stealing even one game because of that can be worth it. Others find that the "strongest" line of play according to the crowdsourcing isn't one they like, or it's weaker in a meta they're expecting, so they work out a different line of play instead of running the "expected" cards.

It's very rarely an untiered deck or a change to the "core", but usually a tweak to what cards support the core/attack the meta.

>>53509842
Eldrazi Tron.

How did you guys do @ Copenhagen? Went 10-4-1 w/ Dredge.

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>>53512734
Burn's literally the deck to go to when you wanna have fun and play a little braindead but not necessarily be hitting a playline or busting. Boros is great for spell casting, rg is great for swinging.

Goblins is super braindead if you wanna do that.
>pic unrelated