/tg/ suffering chart

>>53470843
Who was the idiot that saved it as a .jpg? We need a png to keep working.

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>>53470875
Here's a previous version as a .png

The only difference seems to be the lack of a Cthulhu meme in the corner. Probably not a huge loss.

Rowan Darkwood still isn't here?

Put the fucker somewhere around the end. Looks like 90 suffering/95 deserving is free.

Also I agree with what someone said in the previous thread: that's a bit harsh for Elric. Maybe knock him a couple steps to the left.

>>53470843
> red mana
Is Elspeth on this chart? I'd put her in the 55/30 slot

>>53470997
suffered 55 deserved 30? Or inverse?

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>>53471067
Elspeth deserved 30, received 55
> Abandoned Bant and Mirrodin
> Is probably a phyrexian experiment
> Beautiful cinnamon roll, too pute for this world

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Here's one from /v/, for reference.

I still question what counts as /tg/-related.

Suffering: 35

Deserved:0

It's a gazebo that some asshole assaulted for no reason!

Skaven: 55 suffering/100 deserved

Dark elder: 30 suffering/100 deserved
>tau are saints compared to most and should not be at 100.

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>>53471124
and this is /a/, they just finished
the png link: https://my.mixtape.moe/qryqjq.png

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>>53471204
Forgot pic.

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Duel Masters: somewhere between 90-100 suffering, 20-30 deserved

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>>53471204

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Requesting vecna at 35 suffering and 95 deserved?

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I'd set Cain at 55 Suffering to 30 Deserved

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Kobolds.

Suffer: 90

Deserve:45

I'm a bit uncertain on this however. Kobolds are a very popular lil bit of tg and I would want other opinions instead of just my own.

Friend computer(paranoia)

Suffering/deserves: I have no goddam clue.

Gnolls.

Suffering: 45

Deserves: 95


The warrior entity (worm)

Suffering: 90

Deserves: 100

Harmon(harmonquest)

Suffers: 80

Deserves: 15

Xykon.

Suffers: 30

Deserves: 85

>>53471510
>pic
but that's not a kobold, kobold are like wolves

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>>53471504

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30S
50D

>>53471510
I'd put them a couple jots to the right on the deserving: we like to make up an occasional kobold hero and all, but on the whole they are still pretty evil fucks.

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Monks suffer 100, deserve 15.

Or maybe they suffer 90 and 100 is reserved for the Fighter.

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>>53471540
God damn it, right before I finished with mine. Could somebody merge these two?

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>>53471566
This would be the most recognizable Fighter I guess. Just put them at upper left, monk above him.

>>53471566
Fighters were only awful in 3.X and even then better than monks overall
In TSR editions they were your bread and butter class and pretty good at surviving, only behind paladin
In 4E Fighters are one of the best classes in the game
In 5E they are... okay, pretty good at dishing out the hurt, if nothing else

>>53471599
Monk suffers across editions and the PTSD stain of 3.5 fighter will never come off.

>>53471605
Yeah, monks really tend to be pretty bad.
Again, with the exception of 4E

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>>53471571
>>53471552
>>53471557
>>53471510

gotcha

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>>53471571
Why are Tokien and Easton so high on the suffering axis? Also please put lindybeige at 5 suffering /85 deserved

>>53471628
>Why are Tokien and Easton so high on the suffering axis?

I don't know about Easton, but Tolkien fought at the Great War. You don't go through that shit without a fair bit of shell-shock.

>>53471661

Also his coworkers made fun of him because of the lotr

>>53471628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVXRYlAKI0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrIOv68OiOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD9fkqx9AEs

As for Tolkien he went through the horrors of war and then watched it happen again from the sidelines. He had to struggle with reconciling both his faith and his own morality with a cruel world just so later on a fat man with lots of money could call his work children's nonsense.

>>53471661
>>53471692
Still, I'd put Tolkien on Eastons position and Easton one or two grids lower. 100 suffering is somewhat extreme, considering his neighbors.

>>53471806
Easton should go lower, but Tolkien went through the god damn Great War. His real life suffering should put him at the top.

>>53471826
If we go by this logic any real person should score higher than any fictional one.
But at least switch Tolkien with Sanguinius - I can't see why he should be at 15 deserved.

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allright, added lindybeige and lowered tolkien and easton.

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>>53471912

woops, fucked up a little with the editing.

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S50
D10
Also shift Emps to d 35

CoDzilla somewhere to the far end of deserved, very little suffered.

>>53472391
How would you even represent that?

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Nagash and Mannfred von Carstein

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Desus from Exalted
Suffered: 40-50
Deserved: 95-100

>>53472552
I feel like adding Desus on the chart would retroactively push all others a jot or two to the left.

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30 85
rip gobbla

>>53472590
Eh, he's not that much worse than big name 40K assholes

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suffered 15
deserved 15

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Luke, avatar of "that guy", champion of nurgle

suffered 20
deserved 100

GURPS
>Suffering: 50
>Deserved: 30

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suffered 55
deserved 15

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>>53470843
Thomas Marik aka Thomas Halas (Battletech)
Caught in car-bomb assassination attempt. Left him scarred on one side of his face.
Genuinely cares for his people
Son dying from cancer
Lashes out at Davions for having lied to him when his son died in their hospitals.
Exposed as a Comstar/Wob plant, actually Thomas Halas. The real Thomas Halas died in the assassination attempt.
Has since become loyal first and foremost to the FWL.
Still genuinely cares for his successor state and in spite of his being shunned by his people works till his deathbed to better his nation.

Deserved it: low-mid
Suffering: mid-high

>>53472436
He's a big guy

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Shas'O Kais, our boy

>suffering 65
>deserving 25

The only one actively trying not to be a dick in the kronus conflict

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>>53470843
Where do we put him?

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Where does he fit?

>>53472872
he deserved maybe 30 for being an actual barbarian with loose morals at best, and got around 75 for just happening to stumble upon miss WotC's Favorite.

>>53472872
Suffered a fate no man deserves.
I dunno, in-universe 30 80, out of universe, with his character being destroyed for his arc being un-pc, 30 95

>>53472866
Somewhere in the waiting line

>>53472872
75 suffering 15 deserved

>>53472872
He was built as one of the original 5 walkers, had a cool origin story and was an actually interesting mono-green character.
They replaced him with Hitler Elf, the woman who freed the Eldrazi just for kicks save beign retconned into a social awkward, well meaning elf who did nothing wrong. As for Garruk? He became generaically evil and his plot was abandoned.
So I guess he suffered way more than he needed to.

Why is horus on 95 suffering? He got the best death possible in the 40k universe, having his soul completely destroyed so it can't be fucked with by the chaos gods

>>53472747
>deserved 15
You missed a zero at the end there

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Suffer: 100
Deserve: 70

>>53472996
Does it count as suffering if they like it?

>>53473018
I doubt he likes stop existing.

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>>53472872
>>53472764
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>>53472590

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>>53473325
Ollanius Pius should be put somewhere in the top-middle left.

Needs virt somewhere at 90-100 deserved and 30 suffered.

I'm getting pretty fannyflustered by people not listing the x-axis first when making entries. That's what I was taught in school but is that not actually a thing?

>>53473325
put "quests" somewhere in the middle

is lindybeige somewhere on the grid yet? Should probably be near the bottom middle.

>>53473477
That's a thing when dealing with co-ordinates, yes.
However the two axes here, in order to be said in a sensible manner, require us to state how much they suffer (Y-Axis) before how much they deserve it (X-Axis)

Barrin And Urza need to be on there, Barrin High suffering low deserving, Urza with medium suffering and higher deserving

Colonel-Commissar Ibram gaunt
Suffering: 70
Deserved:50

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Suffering: 5
Deserved: 75

>>53471212
>Griffith not in the top right corner
a mistake was made, desu

>>53471628
>Lindy did anything wrong

>>53473325
I like the Nagash is a big model meme but I'm afraid it will ruin the chart's aesthetic when it's finished.

>>53473757
it hits several things
>big model
>megalomania
>just how much of evil bastard is this guy

>>53473782
Well if it ends up looking bad it can always be shrunk and free up 3 squares, not really a big deal.

>>53473717
>Griffith
>doing anything wrong

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>>53473825

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Suffer: 5
Deserve: 40

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Readded top

>>53473976
Someone put gollum at suffering 75, deserve 60.
inb4 gandalf quote about who are we to judge how gollum should suffer

Who is the L5R character at (85,15)?

>>53472747
Needs a few more zeros in the deserved column. Your waifu a shit.

>>53473730
>Lindy did anything right

>Emps still at 100/100
I want memelords to leave. Big E is at 40-50 deserved at most.

>>53474090
The guys who just made nids and blood angels fags commit mass suicide

>>53474090
Hida kisada

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>>53473976

Added the rest of the Gatewatch since why not.

>>53474231
Ah shit I fucked that one up, dont use it.

>>53474078
Maybe a little more than 75 though, his very existence was torture for a very long time.

>>53474304
I wouldn't go higher than 85 in my opinion since his corrupted self felt joy killing things and just merely holding the ring.

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>>53474231
Can we replace the nurgling at suffer 90 deserve 60

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>>53474148
Nid fag here. We should bet at 70 suffering 70 deserving. we are an npc race who deserve everything we get :^(

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>>53474139
Was thinking the same thing. He's one of the top suffers but having him be more deserving over Horus, the guy who put him on the GT in the first place? If the Emperor was so deserving of his situation wouldn't that absolve Horus of the shit he did? It doesn't make any sense as to why both of them would be so high.

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>>53474442
>>53474436
>>53474361
>>53474304
>>53474078

>>53471124
Why is Gwyn's "deserved" that high?

>>53470843
Who is 95 100?

>>53474769
I think it's a quest MC.

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>>53474724
95 S
90 D

>>53474779
Do you know the name of the quest?

>>53474677
>If the Emperor was so deserving of his situation wouldn't that absolve Horus of the shit he did?
No. Person A doing bad does not mean it's okay for person B to do bad.

Horus is deserving because he did a bunch of evil shit but the big deserves it more in other sometimes meta ways becuse he was master of the universe and cocked it up by his own poor decision making. Pretty much everything that happened to the Emperor he inflicted on himself by his own hubris.

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>>53474724
75S
10D

>>53474788
He's definitely in the high 90s of both, yeah.

>>53474788
He's already in at 80/80 and I'm really not sure he suffered more than he deserved

>>53474788

He's already on the chart, 80/80

>>53474838
Is that supposed to be Morgoth at 100 S 90 D?

>>53474849

That's Elric nigga

>>53474800
MGNQ, Magical Girl Noir Quest.

If you want to catch up use the complied version, it's a bit of a monster. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:Magical_Girl_Noir_Quest

>>53474820
>>>/his/

>>53474903
Thanks senpai.

Given he wrote the first recreational Wargame rule set, we can probably fit H.G Wells on there.

Don't know enough about him to say where, but I'd guess the bottom left.

>>53474911
How is S50 D10 /tg/ related? Did cropsguy start here?

>>53474937
Wait, really? What's it called? Is it still played?

Where is Gygax?

>>53475011
I think that just represents peasants in any setting. Their lives are usually shit, even without the magical shenanigans that happen in games

>>53475043
(50, 50)

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>>53472552
For completion, his waifu: S100, D probably around 50-70

>>53475032
Little Wars. And I doubt it, at least not for anything other than the novelty. Its apparently very simple mechanically and is designed for use with the toy soldiers which were popular at the turn of the Century.

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(20, 85)

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What about this guy, /tg/? Honestly he never deserved anything of what happened in Reaper Man.

>>53475179
>Ribbon is 20 35
>Cestree is 10 10
Who put those images there?

>>53475423
Cestree has more tits, therefore deserving and attracting less grief.

>>53475423
Where would you put them?

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>>53475423
I think Cestree is fine where she is, but Ribbon definitely suffers more and deserves to suffer more.

Lorgar on here yet? Erebus or Abbadon? Worthwhile inclusions.

We need some sort of reprsentation for Carnac. Maybe that other tripfag that got caught talking about pissing his pants on reddit, i forget his handle.

Also,.where is Johnny?

>>53475707
Lorgar and Erebus are in the bottom right.

>>53475692
Bump Ribbon to [65, 40]?

>>53475707
>Lorgar on here yet?

Yep, 100/10. And Erebus on 100/15

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>>53475692
>deserves to suffer more

>>53475179
We might as well try to place the rest of the Primarchs.

Perturbo: Suffering 90/Deserved 90

Mortarion: Suffering 90/Deserved 40

Curze: Suffering 95/Deserved 90

Dorn: 55 Suffering/ 55 Deserved

Russ: Suffering 85/ Deserved 30

Khan: Suffering 5/Deserved 15

Alpharius: Suffering 10/Deserved 85

Omegon: Who the fuck knows

No idea about The Lion.

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>>53476204

forgot mortarion

>>53475401
20, 60?

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Not sure what this thread is, but I have a relevant suffering story.
>Run three year long game for second two years after first DM gets DM fatigue
>Goes pretty well for first year
>Run another campaign in the same setting
>Over time, however, players and characters come and go

>One player who stuck it out the entire way
>He's basically my DMing mentor

>I tell him I'm starting to feel DMing fatigue, not sure why
>Admit I'm not sure what his character's motivation is any more
>Surprisingly, he agrees, and expresses a solemn dissatisfaction with the current condition of the game

>His character set out to find companionship and camraderie
>He found loss and despair
>He's has lost too many friends, faced too many trials
>Now he only fights to keep the wolf from the door

>I look at the game, and ask myself if I was aiming for this the whole time
>A small voice tells me, "You didn't plan it, but it couldn't have been any other way. This is how it had to be."
>MFW

Fuck, I never thought DMing could give me an existential crisis before.

>>53476253
Throw Boreale in at the 20,100

>>53476296
between that and 15, 70 probably.

>George RR Martin hasn't released a new ASOIAF book since 2011
This fatfuck is never going to release Winds of Winter. He deserve more suffering.

Cypher, this heretic bastard, he deserves to suffer, ALL heretics have to suffer

suffer 20
deserves 100

We are the Emperor's wrath! Let the blood of the unclean act as an offering to the Lion's shade!

>>53476495
Oh, shut it, we all know you were the real traitor.

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>>53476533

checked

but

REPENT YOUR SINS

>>53476409
70 suffered, 15 deserved, I'd imagine.

>>53476473
he's too busy writing the show

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>>53476495
>>53476384
>>53476296

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Does /tg/ ironically lack actual characters?

>>53474740
He betrayed people, like Havel, "for their own good" and created the curse of the undead because he felt threatened by mankind's dark soul. (even though they helped out with the war with the dragons)
Gwyn was kind of a dick.

why is the emperor so far on deserve it ? i mean, his intention is good, wanting to guide humanity to a better future and all that, though the execution went pourly
alos put the cruddace at deserving 100 and suffering 20

>>53476959
The Emperor is about as close to a "main character" as /tg/ has, so obviously he has to get the top spot.

>>53474815
>Pretty much everything that happened to the Emperor he inflicted on himself by his own hubris.

In a roundabout way that involved plenty of other guilty parties sure. The Emperor handled some critical aspects of the Great Crusade poorly (such as his handling of certain Primarchs), but the end results weren't entirely the Emperor's fault as his mistakes were exploited by the forces of Chaos when they could. Not to mention that some of the Primarchs he dealt with poorly (Lorgar, Magnus, Horus) weren't stupid and could have chosen a different path then they did instead of just blatantly ignoring the Emperor over and over again. Compare the Emperor's mistakes being exploited by Chaos to Horus willingly plunging the Imperium into civil war and leading his followers to ruthlessly backstabbing their old allies. How is the former worse than the latter?

>>53476674
>Sir Bearington [35, 15]
>Adam Koebel [40, 5]
>Jason Bulmahn [75, 15]

>>53475758
I think that's better than where she is now.

>>53476959
A lot of what happened was because of his hubris, that's the main reason. He had good intentions, sure, but things would probably gone a lot better if he'd been more open in his reasoning and plans with his sons. (Not publicly humiliating some of them, like Lorgar, probably would have helped too.)

>>53477006
Again this comes back to a bit of a meta thing, he's the master of mankind and a tower of intellectualism. And he fucks it up. He fucks it up so hard that the he turns his desired enlightened empire into the most brutal regime possible.

So yeah what Horus did was morally worse, from a meta prospective the Emperor is the better candidate for the 100, 100 slot as the face of 40k and one who has been suffering for so long Horus died and that was it no one made him watch I don't think he qualifies for 100 suffering and had the Galaxy at his fingertips but brought his own great creation down upon his head by playing with fire and by the hand of his own creation.

It's the crescendo of the epic tragedy of the Horus Heresy and as the prime actor the seat of shame is his and his alone.

>>53476865
>created the curse of the undead
end this bad meme, learn your lore

>>53476959
He did a lot of really rough shit before we first encounter him in 30k. We're speaking multiple genocides and implied mass eugenics. He's also a seemingly sociopathic "My way or death" Dictator who is unable to accept any opinion outside his own.

Its often forgotten, but in anything outside 40k he'd be the BBEG.

>>53477217
>bbeg
If you don't understand what that is, don't use it.

>>53477217
>BBEG
ugh

>>53477191
Ringed City, nigga. It's mentioned multiple times that Gywn "placed a seal of fire" on things which just so happens to look exactly like the Dark Sign.

>>53477055
that's true, but i still feel that it's heavy handed
but where the 4 chaos gods fit ?

what about the tau, is "the greater good" even worth the suffering, do they deserve it ?

>>53476815
Nah, we are still missing some very well known ones. A good bit of primarchs arent on there.

>>53477305
All but Nurgle are on 100 deserve it. Can't say how much they've suffered though.

>>53477277
Darksign is what happens when the seal breaks. It's not the seal itself. The armor descriptions that you're referencing clearly state that the seal that was meant to hold the Abyss back doesn't work, since the armor can think for itself (like all Abyss-tainted objects), and has the Abyss glaring proudly out of the chestpiece. Some "seal."

Furthermore, we've known something very important about how Death works in the Souls series, ever since DaS1: Death is not a natural phenomena with respect to mankind. It takes the active expenditure of Fire's power to keep it running. Read Nito's soul. Humans are """meant""" to be immortal like the Lords are, but the Seal stops this from happening. Instead, they die of old age. which is a significant power limiter.

As further evidence, the Sun in DaS3 turns into a Darksign only when the flames sputter in their final moments. It's not there while the fire is still relatively strong. Again, because constructs or seals of flame (and we've known since DaS1 that the Sun is one of these) only display the Darksign as a manifestation of they're failing power.

The God's seal over mankind isn't that they made them undead, it's that they forced them to die TO BEGIN WITH.

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lets get this rolling
Mishra on x95 y90

>>53476674
This breaking to the right of the chart and four-square shit is retarded, and makes /tg/ look like it has the plebeian taste we accuse ourselves of.

>>53477392
Still a dick move, either way

>>53477459
Agreed, moreover cultist chan does suffer from being one of the worst units in DoW.

She's more like 70, 50.

Does Song of Swords have a symbol? That needs to go on this chart somewhere on the 5 or 10 column.

>>53477543
We need more games an companies to be sure.

SoS is like 15, 25 for languishing in development but a getting a great kikestarter.

Where does Corvus Belli fall?

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>>53477459
>>53477514

Yeah I agree but I don't know where to put the last one.

>>53477029
Added Sir Bearington, but he probably deserves a better pic, if someone have that.

>>53477049
moved

>>53477602

We should add Fantasy Flight Games too, don't know where to put them though.

>>53477666
40, 20

They make good games with annoying proprietaries but are owned by scummy Asmodee.

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Where would Sauron go?

>>53477767
90 deserve
40 suffering

I mean, we could add melkor as well

>>53477816
>I mean, we could add melkor as well
May as well, it would at least break up the monotony of even more 40K characters

Warhammer fantasy 100 suffering 50 deserve

It bothers me that the mana symbols are different.

>>53476815
We're mostly a conglomerate of /v/ and /lit/ with a bit of /co/, /a/ and /qst/ thrown in for measure.

>>53477816
>>53477866

Doesn't being condemned to an eternal existence as an impotent formless spirit, REEEEEing without power forever, warrant higher than 40S?

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>>53477899
done

>>53477920
just for you, anon

>>53475977
Omegon: Suffering 85/Deserved 10.

>>53478076
I don't see Dave Arneson on there, anon.

Where should D&D 4e go? High suffering, mid-low deserving?

>>53478480
Yeah about 40, 75

>>53476815
We have our own. People have just forgotten about them.

Where would Rachnus Rageus go?

Also, Crazy Hassan should be
Suffering: 25
Deserved 5

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>>53478197
>>53478400
>>53478480
>>53478510

>>53478792
Yu-Gi-Oh for 75, 75. It's a broken mess of a game and it's made that way.

Unless you wanted to put Yu-Gi-Oh at 25, 75 and Konami at 75, 25.

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>>53478782
>>53478870

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>>53478792

The order of the stick members.

Roy Greenhilt.

Suffers: 45

Deserves: 20

Durkon Thundershield


Suffers: 55

Deserves: 15

V.


Suffers: 35

Deserves: 30

Haley Starshine.

Suffers: 35

Deserves: 25

Elan.

Suffers: 25

Deserves: 20

Belkar Bitterleaf.

Suffers: 30

Deserves: 85

+Xykon/Harmon from>>53471510

>>53478960
I'd place V higher on the deserving scale what with selling his soul and all, and Belkar's been steadily going lower on the same.

Also where's Miko to?

>>53478958
Someone mentioned the Gatewatch, where'd Ajani fit? 55S 15D?

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Where do we put this guy?

>>53471212
>punpun
>deserving more suffering than asuka
lolno

>>53478958
>HarmonQuest main cast
Fondue Zoobag [30, 35]
Boneweevil [10, 55]
Beor O'Shift [65, 10]
Spencer Crittenden [20, 25]

>>53479135
already in /v/ list at 100/100

>>53478958
Some LotR Characters

Frodo: Sufferred 80/Deserved 15

Bilbo: Sufferred 50/Deserved 55

Aragorn: Sufferred 75/Deserved 10

Boromir: Sufferred 95/Deserved 30

Theoden: Suffered 95/Deserved 20

Denethor: Sufferred 75/Deserved 85

Thorin: Suffered 95/Deserved 50

>>53479135
Lets avoid characters covered by other board's charts

>>53479162
No way Bilbo deserves so much compared to Frodo. The worst he did was steal a trinket to try and do diplomacy.

>>53479152
Damn, I swore I checked that chart twice.

>>53479162
Lotr is already covered by tv and the suffering stat is far to high here. all of them are like three lower or more.

>>53471212
>Kyubey off in the corner with question marks
but why

>>53479189
Looking at it again, you're right, deserved 20 is a better fit.

>>53479239
you know why

>>53479233
We've got to fill the chart somehow, and Sam's already there.

Agree on scaling it down though, were working in comparison to 40k level suffering.

>>53470843
>Emperor still at 100 deserved
Fuck off. Invalidates the entire chart.

>>53479349
>posting from the Golden Throne

>>53479349
We've already had this discussion multiple times. He played with fire, and through his own arrogance thought he wouldn't get burnt.

>>53479478
What should he have done differently?

>>53478960
I'd put V at +50 deserved considering he sold his soul and committed genocide/familicide.

>>53479517
His big issue was not trusting anyone else with the knowledge of his plans yet expecting everyone else to follow them to the letter.

Even a slight degree more adaptability and openess would solve a lot of problems.

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>>53479342
>We've got to fill the chart somehow
There's still tons of things to add. there are writers for various game rules, black library writers, settings, and the games themselves.

If we don't already have enough warhammer undead tomb kings need to be added. also squats.

>>53479677
Squats are an easy suffering 100, but deserved is difficult, perhaps 20?

>>53478958
Put FATAL at 100, 90 I guess.

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>>53478958
Put metal sisters at 20, 100

>>53470843
>skub is both 5/95 and 95/5
Brilliant.

>>53474231
Lilliana needs to be further to the right. 75 Deserves It sounds about right.

>>53470843
what is any of this

>>53480127
One of the bigger fads of 4chan today.

>>53470843

FR
As a setting, 85 suffering, maybe 60ish deserved
Elminister: 35 suffering, 100+ deserved
Drizz: 70 suffering, 5--60 deserved.

What's the actual pixel size on the tiles?

>>53480127

A stupid meme that's kinda ___fun___.

>>53476367
Damn, son.

move Hassan down to suffering 20, and wizards!! to deserved 75. Assholetep should go where wizards!! currently is.

Can't ctrl+f on my phone but has anyone mentioned the legoquest MC?

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I'd put Frank Herbert at a high suffering, mid deserved. Guy created one of the most original, in-depth sci-fi settings of all time to the point that you'll have a hard time finding a sci-fi or even fantasy series that came after him abd doesn't borrow his concepts or themes in some form. Unfortunately, he died before he could end the series himself and his son has been tag-team posthumously raping his father's corpse and series with Kevin J. Anderson. Now, the deserved part is that he started to slip more and more weird magical realm into the books as they went on and the quality also unfortunately declined with it. Oh, and Dune has not once had a good adaptation and likely never will.

>>53480407
While I'd agree that Frank Herbert indirectly inspired so many of modern space fantasy unfortunately Dune has no official or unofficial rpg/board game that's actually good. Tolkien should be on there because there are several good LOTR rpgs that are talked about fairly often on /tg/.

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Where should Steve Jackson's creepy eye go?

>>53480639
They've not really done anything offensive or amazing.

>>53480670
What, are you high? There is no way in hell we're leaving the creators of both GURPS and Munchkin out of this chart.

>>53480755
>Munchkin
You know what you're absolutely right, 75, 25 grid master!

>>53470843
Why the shit isn't More Cock's stupid white wolf Elf guy in the Emperor's spot? He deserves his suffering more than the Emperor did. Barely.

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I nominate John for either 65/65 or 85/85

>>53470843
>people still memeing the blue is op meme
how much longer can people go on for something that has been wrong for like at least 5 years?

>>53481043
Not in Legacy!

Why is Matt Mercer there, can someone explain?

>>53471961
Are the mtg symbols supposed to represent people that play that colour?

>>53481132
No, the colours themselves.
Warhammer fantasy, games workshop, skub, and the planet cadia are also there.

Frank Herbert: Suffers 65, Deserves: 0
Strahd Von Zarovich: Suffers: 75, Deserves: 80

Things to add:
>pathfinder
>kender

>>53481461
Kender are already there, at 100/0. Pathfinder probably belongs somewhere close.

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Should we add the originator of hobby based Wargames to the chart?

>>53481298
>the entire theme of Ravenloft is eternal suffering
>everyone forgot about it
Fug

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Promethean: The Created should be at 100/25 and Wraith: The Oblivion should be at 100/70

>>53481484
Totally, did he have a hard life?

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>>53481534

>>53481538
Not that I can remember. H.G Wells should probably be at 5/10

>>53481538
He had a sucky childhood but other than that didn't suffer much. He also had numerous affairs though.

>>53481639
Oddly enough with his wife's consent.

>>53481559
>>53481534
should deserve really be that high?

>>53482045
Ideally Promethean would be 100/0, but that's already occupied. As for Wraith if you're playing Wraith you already know exactly what you're getting in to.

>>53482158
what are you getting into if you're playing wraith?

>>53482158
With the few moments of light in Promethean maybe we can find a way to finagle it so that we have Promethean at something like ~90/0.

>>53471212
Diavolo didn't suffer that much.

>>53482250
The 1d4chan article sums up Wraith fairly well: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Wraith:_The_Oblivion

You basically play as ghosts that couldn't make it to heaven and you're effectively in what may as well be hell. One of the core mechanics of the game is that each player is assigned another player whose sole job is to make sure they don't succeed in the afterlife.

>>53481461
I suggested the Paizo golem at 100D, 20S and it didn't get the spot though the WotC suggestion in the same post is there.

>>53482388
>Being forced to relive scenarios where he dies for all eternity
>not actually able to die cause of GER
>didn't suffer that much

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Poor Lord Soth.

Suffer 80
Deserved 40

>>53479866
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Steadfast_Pewter_Sororitas

Enjoy the read.

I honestly would say 100,15

>>53482913
Note their prices keep increasing to off-set the cost of storage. When plastic arrives - the metals will be melted and scrapped.

All those Sisters of Battle waiting to fight for the Emperor. Decades in storage... only to be opened up and melted down.

Suffering 100 for sure.

>>53479714
They were stupid. They deserved a good 60

Where's GURPS?

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Rob Cruddace at 45 deserved suffering 10 suffering. Right behind ward

>>53482652
He's a traitor and a mass murderer. He deserved more than 40. 50-60 maybe

>>53481124
Matt mercer runs a weekly dnd game on twitch that is pretty infamous, with him and other voice actors. This game has.gone on for years with no sign of stopping anytime soon, he is also releasing dnd 5e campaign book and in general promotes dnd to the uneducated masses

>>53483527
>promotes dnd to the uneducated masses

Isn't that a good way for them to get educated tho?

>>53483527
Truly a crime

>>53483556
Yes and no, it presents a bit of an unrealistic expectation of the game to newcomers. But in general he does alot for dnd even if he is a torch for the spergmoths
>>53483557
Who said it was a crime?

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What about him? Is the gunslinger /tg/ related?

Given that the chart is pretty exclusively characters and individuals (and because I missed the last thread), what's the justification for a game company - Catalyst - being on there? How are they suffering and why do they deserve it compared to the characters who we can see suffer through their stories?

>>53483815
I wouldn't say so unless there is some ttrpg based on the novels

>>53484380
Did you literally only look at that spot and the four adjacent to it?

>>53484553

Nah, it's a fair question. The only other game companies on there are GW and WOTC, and they're both famous for being outright evil companies. They certainly fall on the "deserving" end of the scale.

I don't understand either how any of those three companies is actually experiencing suffering though. Is the company experiencing suffering? Are their customers? What's the nature of what we're seeing in regards to companies being on the chart?

And in what world is a no-name company like Catalyst doing being mentioned in the same breath as GW or WOTC? Catalyst doesn't own any properties that have been in any way popular or relevant since the early 1990s. They aren't even worthy of a mention, and forget an actual chart slot.

>>53484739
There's also TSR and Fantasy Flight

>>53484739
Catalyst is run by actual con artists.
I think it got to the point where their writers had to start embezzling from the company cause the owner was embezzling all the money they should be paid

>>53484838

So a company being on there represents their customer s suffering then? That makes sense, it just wasn't clear.

>>53477273
>ugh
ugh

>>53484739
>And in what world is a no-name company like Catalyst doing being mentioned in the same breath as GW or WOTC? Catalyst doesn't own any properties that have been in any way popular or relevant since the early 1990s. They aren't even worthy of a mention, and forget an actual chart slot.

Battletech and Shadowrun are still relevant!

Anyone up for placing the Galactic Empire and the Rebel Alliance? I would try but I have trouble measuring them relative to what's already on there.

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>>53471124
>Ridley

>>53486377
Despite having roleplaying games I think Star Wars should be more of a /tv/ thing.

>>53484838

In fairness, they aren't con artists. They do actually deliver product when you pay them, it's just that their CFO stole pretty much every penny CGL had to make home rennovations, and since he'd been best friends with the owner of the company for 20 years, the owner didn't fire him.

So not really con artists. They're just incompetent and their CFO is an actual thief.

>>53486434
I don't think you need to worry about the criteria to that degree. If I'm remembering correctly both the /a/ and /v/ charts have Adachi from Persona 4, both /tv/ and /his/ have Jesus, and /tv/ and /co/ both have Palpatine.

>>53483440
>>53482652
>>53482554
>>53481559
>>53481534
>>53481298
>>53480997
>>53480783
>>53480783
>>53480639
>>53479866
>>53479715
>>53479162

You can do the editing yourselves you know.

Have to go so don't have time to do more, sorry if I missed some.

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>>53486845

duh

Ma Ro needs to be low suffering high deserved. Maybe just below bolas?

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Adjusted Promethean, the Jovian Republic, and Wraith. Added Risus and V:TM. Next up I'll add the ass crack guy from those Magic tournaments if someone can remind me what his name was again.

>>53487527
Who?

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Tell me, about Times when you got "far more as just planned" be it positive or negative. I will start.

See, I was me and was the DM for the next sessions in my Group. A Player wanted to try out a new character (Basicly Spion/Saboteur with lots of Charisma, that disguise himself as a merchant) and that brought me to an idea, since I allways wanted to try out a sabotage plot (I made a thread about it a while ago). Since the char was just a experiement for him and he was okay with him getting eventually killed, he became the saboteuer in my plot. To put it short: The Heros were given the task to find the hide of a smuggler group that works on a group of islands they were passing with their ship and since they were doing it for a trade company, they got a guide for the islands, which was the saboteur. I gave the heroes the map of the isles and the saboteur the location of the hide, and the identity of one other smuggler spion per isle. (There were some, that he didn't know though, like a corrupt noble)
I had planned, that he would text me, if he want to for example sabotage the ship and everytime he lied to the group I rolled secretly if it worked. But and here lies the drama, he actually didn't really had to. The players followed him blindly, despite I gave them a LOT of hints, he sabotaged the just two times (basicly roofies in their drinks and the rigging of the ship). Otherwise, they either followed him around the isles, killing of an ork on his tower, facing harpyies and minotaurs, dealing with a conspiracy theorist that had stalked them (they have done quite some border-murderhobo stuff) and getting played all along. It ended up with the smuggler winning, simply because the heroes had overseen ALL hints I made, and taking out one of the safehouses of the smugglers and think it was the main hide. (Despite I acutally let them know the session before, that it was just a safehouse, but they forgot that.)
What are your tales?

>>53487647
Since wizards moved down on the D axis, maybe kender should be moved to 90;5 and Desus to 100;5? That would make him fit the grid

>>53487647
D&D4e in the 80suffering/20deserved spot

Fuck wrong tab

>>53487707
It's already in D: 40, S:75

>>53487690
>>53487708
I don't know about myself, but for you posting here definitely went beyond what you planned for.

>>53487690
>>53487708
Sorry for that.

>>53487647
Mark rosewater

>>53487724
Get me the name of the ass crack guy and I'll place Mark Rosewater on there.

>>53487746
Sid Blair

>>53487746
Dude's name is Sid Blair.

BBB; 30, 100

Where do you guys want Mark Rosewater in specifically?

>>53487812
You'll have to be more specific, name wise.

>>53487872
Big Boy Blue. Christ, Anon.

>>53487872
Let's put him just under bolas

>>53487917
I'm incredibly stupid here and don't know who that is either, can I get a number?

>>53480997
John is an awkward case, due to the nature of the game. I feel like the best place for him is X/X, where X depends on the players.

>>53486871
Can we put katanas at like 90 suffering and 70 deserved it?

>>53487942
He's the dragon at 30S, 90D.

>>53470843
Chairman Yang did nothing wrong.

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>>53488089
That's just your Nerve Staple talking, pal.

>>53488089
Changeling: The Lost needs to be pretty high suffering, low-to-mid deserved. (Since some Changelings deserve what they get more than others, even if none of them really deserve to suffer more than pretty much every splat except Prometheans.)

Mr. Bombardini suffered 80, deserved 20.

dudes have you forgot about mishra?
I bet the only reason he wasn't worst than urza was because he died

>>53488195
I vote that if we're gonna be putting factions on this then we might wanna use their faction symbols to avoid them being mistaken for somewhere else
That being said, Brettonnia just above the battle sisters

Would anyone mind if I had Tolkien switch places with Ferrus?

>>53488336
Do it

>>53488195
If we are going to have a four-square image we might as well just have the entire chart be one image of the emperor.

>>53488195
>>53488960
Yeah. Get rid of the 4-square image.

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Fixed the lines for the assholes that didn't fit their images in the spots.

>>53470843
>emperor
>100/100
Dumbass
He should be at suffering 105 / deserved 35

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>>53489885
>Fucking Horus
>deserves less suffering than Emperor
>suffering at 95 even though his soul got obliterated which is basically happy ending in 40k
This thread was a mistake
It's nothing but trash

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>>53489885
Fuck you

Time for a new thread?