MTG Modern General

>not being able to run all 5 colors
get gud

>>53462411
>>Playing?
Norin Sisters splashing black for Bobs.

>>Brewing?
The above, still in construction and testing phase.

>>Metagame thoughts?
Probably fine. I'd be happy with a little less Tron running around since they crush me pretty hard, but whatever.

>>Discussion: What card from another color do you wish your deck could run?
None, but I'd really like a bob effect on a 1-drop so I can get it with Ranger of Eos late-game for the grind. Dude can be a 0/1, I just need the effect (and it'd be nice if it were a human too maybe). Never gonna happen but a man can dream.

Reposting poll from last thread: http://www.strawpoll.me/13040177

Answer for science and 5 internet points.

>>53462411
>>Playing?
burn
>>Brewing?
blue moon
>>Metagame thoughts?
decent, eldrazi and death shadow feel over-represented

>>53462411
is it worth it to make an angel deck or no, i have a bunch of angel cards i want to make use of

>>53462610
You could look into angel chord.

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Why is Skred gaining so much popularity? Must be the price.

Related: I'm confused about how Ricochet Trap works with regards to legal and non-legal targets.

For counterspells, you're supposed to change the target of the counterspell to the counterspell. I get how that works.

Can you change the target of Path or Push to a manland that has yet to become a creature?

>>53462658
No, the new target must be legal. If there are no other legal targets, the target doesn't change.

>>53462658
>>53462751
To clarify though, you don't choose the new target until Trap resolves. So you could cast trap, then animate a land, then change the target to that animated land.

>>53462658
You have to redirect the counterspell to the Trap, not the counterspell. It can't target itself.
>manlands
If it says "target creature," it can't target anything that's not a creature. Doesn't matter that it might be one soon, it has to be one when you choose targets.

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Skred tech. Go nuts.

>>53462764
>>53462751
Alright, well, here's a relevant question.

>Animate a mountain with Koth +1
>For whatever reason, I hold priority and cast an instant, let's say Skred targeting my own Reckoner
>They respond with crack-fetch and Push targeting Reckoner

Can I ricochet trap targeting my land?

I know in normal circumstances they'd just let the land animation resolve first because I would have no reason (generally) to hold priority

Went 4-0 with Merfolk at a local FNM against Death's Shadow Jund, Bant Conpany, and UW Control AMA.

>>53462921
You can only change the target to your animated land if Koth's ability has resolved. If it hasn't then you can't.

>>53462932
Running smuggler's copter or no?

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Hey this may seem like a dumb question but is pic related xmage? If so, how do I get my version to look like this? The UI is perfect.

>>53463042
That looks like the official Mtg online

>>53463084
Oh, thanks.

>>53462981
Haven't really kept up with Merfolk lists, how do they benefit from Copter except for a little extra evasion and filtering out lands so you get more gas?

Seems like extra 2 drops isn't where you want to be

>>53463179
>filtering out lands so you get more gas
That is indeed the benefit.

>>53462981
The list I used didn't have any copies. In between Adepts and Seas I think that we have enough card draw as is and having more Coptors means fewer fish.

I've heard of it as a sideboard card for grindy match ups but personally I think Thassa is better in those cases.

>>53463217
What about that flip merfolk?

Any advice for a new storm player? What should I know about this deck compared to ad nauseam?

>>53463366
Storm is vulnerable to more forms of hate.

>>53462651
>angel chord

ooooo

hope it isnt that expensive

>>53463631
what would be expensive to you?

>>53463754
anything over $600

although modern decks are really expensive so at this point i dont really care.

>>53463631
Hint: it is.

I mean, you could try to build an angel tribal deck, but I've never seen one.

>>53463631
are you trying to trigger modern general

>>53463815
If he is, there are far easier ways.

>>53463829
>>53463815
im not but if i wanted to trigger you guys i would have brought up

blue decks

timmes

and unbanning JTMS

>>53463848
Best way to steal packs?

>>53463848
Ban 8th and 9th edition.

If SFM would get unbanned, would DnT run a shell like legacy with serra avengers et al? Or would it just drop a few other cards and jam in SFM and 2 or 3 equipment and keep the rest?

>>53464064
It doesn't matter because it wouldn't be close to the best SFM deck.

>>53464103
Then what would be a top contending SFM deck?

>>53464013
Step 1: Be a nigger
Step 2: ???
Step 3: KANGZ

Alternatively, realize that cracking packs, even if you steal them, is the shittiest way to get cards. Earn some fucking money and buy the cards you need, or if you can't save money worth a damn, git gud at draft and buy cards with store credit.

>>53464140
The closest store is 30 minutes away and doesn't do store credit

Regardless, that was in response to "how to trigger modern general" so you fell for bait that had already revealed itself

Good going

Why are combo decks like storm and ad nauseam so much cheaper than other decks with similar levels of competitiveness?

>>53464197
The pieces to combo decks are not relevant to other decks

Pact of Negation, Angel's Grace, Phyrexian Unlife, Gemstone Mine, Ad Nauseam, Lightning Storm...these aren't cards that you're going to see in a lot of decks

>>53464197
Without any research done I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the decks focus around highly specialized cards that have little to no splash value in other decks in the format as well as consisting of not as expensive cantrips to find and utilize the combo. Just a guess

>>53464197
Because Timmys drive prices higher

>>53464127
Hard to say but I'd try Esper contror. Lots of disruption and card advantage, clean answers like Verdict, Path, Push. SFM is essentially a better Colonnade that puts you up a card, or more with blink effects.

>>53464370
I think it'd be killer in knightfall. They run it in Maverick, so it couldn't be that bad

>>53464103
Wait, what? You can't be serious. It's one of the best decks in legacy, how in the bloody fuck does cutting 6-7 cards to make room for SFM package in esper be the best?

Are you retarded?

>>53464370
You've never played UWx control, have you?

>>53464370
Esper control doesn't run blink effects and it doesn't have a ton of stuff to cut in the maindeck either. It'd be a new deck entirely and even at that probably just be a much shittier esper deathblade.

>>53464592
I don't know about knightfall specifically but I think there is a Bant goodstuff CoCo shell for it.

>>53464127
Abzan would be pretty dank since souls tokens can carry a sword well enough and it's a low cost threat.

>>53464677
>revfor15.jpg

>>53463233
Don't think I've heard about that before. Honestly the only differences from the usual Merfolk list was that I had no Kiras, only 3 Vials, and 2 Mutavaults rather than 4.

There wasn't any special reason for cutting them rather than me being poor.

>>53462462
>Norin sisters splashing black for Bobs
how's that treating you?

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Burnfag here. How do you guys feel about Grim Lavamancer in the current meta? I'm retooling my deck for next week, going back to RWg, and not totally sure.

>>53465075
I don't think its fast enough for burn in the current meta

>>53463108
>tfw playing Esper last night
Are you running Serum Visions or are you on the classic 26 land build?

>>53465331
25 lands 2 Serum

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I'm playing 8 whack and as soon as my opponent sees the gobs dropping, they can quickly put down chalices preventing me from casting anything for 1, 2 or even both if they're lucky. I see other lists sideboarding shattering spree and smash to smithereens to fuck with artifacts but they're cmc 1/2 which my opponent is gonna block anyway if they know what I'm playing.
Could this be a decent substitute?
CMC 3 puts it outside the likely chalice desicion and the alternative is a nice if expensive cherry on top.

>>53465853
In what matchups are you seeing the chalices?

I feel like a goblin 3 drop might just be better for you.

If they're artifact-heavy, Shatterstorm is probably better and will kill both chalices

>>53462462
I'm running Cloudshift in my version of Norin Sisters so Ranger can be retriggered for 1.
Probably the closest you're gonna get.

>>53465853
Shattering Spree is your best bet. The original is countered but the replicated copies are put directly onto the stack and are not affected by Chalice.

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>>53465853
Just run By Force
Brought it up in the last thread but everyone seemed to think Shattering Spree was better

>>53466521
I personally like it better because Chalice can't really counter it if you set the value higher.

Do you think modern would improve with a change in the format style; as in, have people bring three different modern decks and before a match begins, each player presents their deck lists and then each player bans a deck list from their opponent and then you'd pick which deck to play for the match out of the remaining two.

>>53466751
That is a terrible, terrible idea. I want you to think long and hard whenever you want to share an idea again.

>>53466792
Whats wrong with it?

>>53464806
A shitty esper deathblade is probably still the best deck in modern.

>>53466751
Obvious troll.

>>53466848
Not that anon but firstly, between knowing the lists prior to round one and banning 1 of 3 decks it's just a completely different game. Secondly, this game is 3x as expensive as regular modern. It sounds like you're trying to port stage/character counterpicking from Smash into MtG.

You can't choose the same target twice so a chalice on 2 with no other artifact still beats it

How many people here play actual fair decks (mono green stompy / ponza / mono black devo / ect..)

I tested a bunch and they all felt lack luster, what are your experiences with them?

>>53466950
Ponza is not a fair deck. Monoblack devotion and monogreen stompy are not competitive modern decks.

>>53466950
Define, "Fair". I find, "Fair," to have a variety of interpretations. Burn and Jund (classic) are fair decks.

>>53466950
I don't play them, so my experience is running over them.

>>53466950
Ponza isn't a fair deck. Fair decks give you time to react to what your opponent is doing, and have opportunities to interact. Storm is the archetype unfair deck, it's fast and most colors can't interact on the stack. Abzan is a strong fair deck.

>>53467119
>hand rape
>""""""fair""""""""

>>53467159
>trade with 1-for-1 discard spells
>trade 1-for-1 removal
>play effecient threats

Doesn't get more fair than that. It's Magic at its most classic.

any living end players here?

Finished burn and skred, thinking about picking it up mainly because I have most of the mana already

>>53466855
Not really since it loses literally all the cards that make it good in legacy. Abzan would be a much better shell for stoneforge in modern

What deck would help someone to get better at playing?

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>>53467159

Has Magic Duels improved any? It was almost unplayable for me.

>>53467464
An edh deck, you'll play a format where every mechanic is legal and every dumb interaction can become a deck.

>>53467504
EDH has that whole "table politics" thing going though. Play EDH like you would Standard / Modern / Legacy and you get labelled a no-fun tryhard.

>>53467464
Tempo decks

Grixis shadow is kind of on the border of being a tempo deck and requires careful usage of all resources available to you

>>53464975
Those are all upgrades I would get. There are match ups that are gonna be an L if you don't start with a vial. Mutavault has saved my life so many times

>>53467504
Thanks
>>53467582
Thanks, do you have more exemple of tempo decks?

>>53467610
Before I suggest some to you, are you playing these in paper or on simulators to practice?

>>53466950
Merfolk, you aren't doing anything spectacular but the combos are there and you have tools for almost every situation. It has few bad matchups

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>>53467638
I approve of this suggestion.

>>53467686
Fug, someone in my play group started playing affinity and it's a horrible game. Although, using aether vial to play harbingers on their fatty mid swing feels nice

>>53467570
Thats a playgroup problem. I play mld, bloodmoons, and shit while some groups go into a panic over a tech edge.

>>53467621
Simulator, but i can get them on paper

>>53467745
>buy atraxa precon deck
>swap out a few cheap cards
>take to weekly commander night at LGS
>give atraxa double strike and hexproof, start wrecking
>the salt is palpable
And that was the last time I went to commander night.

>>53467747
Various UR lists, like Storm and Delver, will force you to use cantrips effectively and have a better understanding of your mana base.

I recommended Grixis Shadow because it forces you to use spells and creatures alongside a three-color mana base w/ graveyard and life total as resources.

Skred was my first paper deck, but I learned other decks with simulators. That deck, for exmaple, would be bad to learn with, because all it really cares about is creature control and dropping planeswalkers.

>>53467825
Thanks

>>53467602
For sure. Pretty much at the point where I just need to bite the bullet and buy the last pieces. More than anything right now I'm impressed that my half assed Merfolk deck managed to do as well as it did.

>>53467801
Stick with modern, sounds like your lgs's edh group are the dregs. 1v1 online sounds better than a craw wurm meta.

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>>53464064
it wouldn't be good enough without Mom & the mana-denial package. i'd still run arbiters over sfm in modern because the effect is more powerful in the current meta.

maverick and bantblade would be good, though.

>>53464197
those decks don't play tarmogoyf, karn or liliana

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I did a Skred is it shit

>>53468163
Maverick doesn't really seem modern portable though?

>>53468185
Literally the shittiest skred deck I have ever seen.

>>53468185
where the fuck are Blood moon and Koth?

Please look at some actual skred lists like reckoner skred or the superior scourge skred

>>53468224
I didn't wanna use planeswalkers because I'm an autist.

But as far as Blood Moon goes, why? It turns Scry into a Mountain and it can handicap your opponent's nonbasic depending on what it is. Am I missing anything?

>>53468246
In Modern most people play very few basics, Blood Moon can be a very evil card.

>>53462813
and green devotion tech.

>>53468246
If you don't want to use planeswalkers, there is literally no reason to play Skred.

If you don't understand why Blood Moon is good, do not play Skred.

If you do not understand why Stormbreath Dragon is better than Glorybringer (for a similar price!), do not play Skred.

Plus, Seething Song is fucking banned in modern you retard.

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>>53468265
I haven't been playing this game that long.

What's the best version of Skred that utilizes dragons?

>>53468284
>If you don't want to use planeswalkers, there is literally no reason to play Skred.
noted

you sure about Seething Song?

>>53468246
>why blood moon
>in a format where some decks only one 1-3 basics
>when you're playing a manabase almost entirely of basics and your entire deck is red and it punishes you opponents heavily
>Not using the walkers that make skred competitive

Literally might as well not play skred

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-skred-red-34558#paper

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>>53468314
just pulled from the gatherer

>>53468314
do we have to put the banned list in the OP now?

http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/rules-and-formats/banned-restricted

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>>53468314
>you sure about Seething Song?
Yes

Did you just post on the Skred reddit too?

By the way, the reason the other anon said that about Planeswalkers is that Koth and Chandra are literally your win conditions -- dragon beatdowns are not.

If you want to "utilize dragons" more than Skred already does by playing Stormbreath or Demigod of Revenge lists, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage. "Dragon Tribal" (tribal decks meaning creature cards that synergize with eachother based on subtype) does not exist in Modern, especially with Skred.

>>53468185
All those creatures need to be cut down to 4 ofs, you have no koths, no chandras, no chalice or ensaring bridge. Its hard to tell what type of skred you're doing but it probably but you gotta pick, also you need many more bloodmoons.

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>>53468324
>>53468348
>>53468349
>>53468360
>>53468403

Thanks, lads. I was just playing favorites regarding my creature choices. But Pia and Kiran Nalar, Koth, and Chandra are the most boring creatures I've ever seen.

I'll continue to read more about Skred, but I guess I probably won't be playing it. I'd be up for any deck where the main threat is a big dragon or two, but I guess it doesn't exist.

also
>posting on reddit

>>53468448
How is PnK a boring creature? You make thopters that you can block with to protect your important engines (planeswalkers), and then you pay mana to explode the thopters into the creatures' faces to kill them

>>53468448
If you don't like PnK, Koth or Chandra I'm not sure skred is the deck for you

>>53468461
Its the flavor, he wants to smash face with his dragon and shot webs.

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>>53468461
Because it's just some guy and some girl. Gayest card I've ever seen. Well, second gayest.

>>53468481
That's what I'm thinking.

>>53468483
this

>>53468486
Yeah, dragons are real fucking straight and don't make you look like a ten year old

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I have been playing Magic for a long time, but have never played it competitively. I have played a lot of games with my friends, and I usually beat them with this deck. It is a deck based around using Ink Treader to buff a lot of small creatures. I added a sideboard because I know competitive magic uses those, so do you think that my sideboard is ready for FNM?

>>53468511
Good troll
Almost fell for it

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hey guys, long time standard player here just getting into modern, rate my deck pls

>>53468486
>Momhugs
>gay
I take it you've never played when GGT was legal huh champ?

>>53468504
Dragons are rad, you fucking furry.

>>53468521
I'm going to kill all of you

>>53464998
>how's that treating you?
Not bad actually. When it gets online it is pretty wild. Turns out that Norin Sisters can gain a prodigious amount of life extremely fast and I have very little for Bob to damage me with (curve basically goes from 1 to 4 with nothing in-between and only runs 5 4-drops). He usually eats a removal spell, but better spent on that than something more important like a G.Chamber or a Champion.

>>53466478
>Cloudshift
Hmm. Spicy. Care to share your list? Curious to see what another player is running these days.

>>53468531
YOU are the fucking furry for liking dragons

>>53468525
>aw a hug :3
shit, sure gets me hype for battling with monsters and magic

>>53468547
There's liking dragons, and liking dragons.
Just because most Sonic fans are MLP level autists that masturbate to animals, does that make enjoying Sonic 2 equally autistic?

Dragons are bitching, fire-breathing murderers.

>>53468548
>implying Dredging 1/3 of your deck t2 and putting 12+ power on board isn't the most hype shit
Go jerk off to your gay dragons timmy, I bet you own dragon dildos faggot

>>53468520
But I am not trolling. I just want feedback on my sideboard.

>>53468581
MTG has all sorts of fucking unique and new monsters and you pick "big lizard"

>>53468582
>I bet you own dragon dildos faggot
How many dicks I ride each night isn't your fucking business, you planeswalker gay hugging autist.

>>53462411
Thinking about tossing 2X tarmogoyf in infect to replace the 2 banned git probes i had in there

>>53468588
Your deck is unplayable and will go 0-4 at FNM

>>53468592
>picking creatures at all
Creatures the tappening players right here.

>>53468608
But will I have fun?

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>>53468592
>MTG has all sorts of fucking unique and new monsters
yeah! the more creatures that are couples taking selfies the better xD

>>53468582
faithless looting

>>53468614
Esper Control has a badass golem land. Even Ad Nauseam has monkey man

>>53468608
I win most of the time against my friends though. Do you really think that I will lose four games in a row when I almost always win 3+ games in a row against my friends?

>>53468616
no

>>53468627
Yes

Feel free to come back and tell us how it goes

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>>53468600
>manaless green-light cantrip is banned
>replace it with a creature that doesn't compliment the deck
man you really got me thinking

>>53468592
>my kink is more exclusive than yours

yall need Jesus or a lay

>>53468652
That wasn't referencing sex, dipshit

>>53468599
>you planeswalker gay hugging autist
Says the dragon autist hating on one of the cards that helped pushed dredge into the monster it was before the GGT banning lmao


>>53468620
>faithless looting
Not nearly as bonkers as momhugs

>>53468637
Can competitive decks deal with a board full of 8/8 creatures attacking for 40+ damage? My friends don't have a chance once I get the Ink-Treader + Might of Oak combo out.

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get gud pussies snapcaster too $

Creature (20)

4x Dimir Infiltrator
3x Phantasmal Image
3x Wharf Infiltrator
3x Chasm Skulker
3x Dimir Doppelganger
1x Dralnu, Lich Lord
2x Havengul Lich
1x Wrexial, the Risen Deep

Land (24)

2x Ancient Ziggurat
4x Drowned Catacomb
9x Island
9x Swamp

Instant (12)

4x Doom Blade
4x Terror
4x Perplex

Enchantment (4)

4x Spreading Seas

>>53468663
You're talking to two different people, retard.

>>53468662
>I swear I'm a normie
>posts on 2chains
>plays children's card game

Am I just burning money by buying Grim Flayers right now?

Seems like a 2 drop which has to be answered is worth playing if my goal is dropping 4 drops to win

>>53468666
has shitposting gone too far?
nice trips

>>53468694
Wait till it goes out of print if you can't wait until it leaves standard.

>>53468665
The competitive decks will literally never let you get there, especially with the mana base.

Most of your cards make literally no sense. Why a single Artifcer's Epiphany?

What is the point of 4 act of treason?

What is the point of 2 Approach of the Second Sun? Do you actually expect to be able to cast both of them? Are they discard fodder? You have no discard

What happens when you slap down Ink-Treader Nephilim and it gets counterspelled or killed?

What happens when a combo deck kills you long before you can do anything you want to do?

What happens when your creatures die before Ink-Treader even comes down?

You need to do a lot of reading about the format and Magic in general

>>53468725
>What happens when you slap down Death's Shadow/Goyf and it gets counterspelled or killed?
Holy shit the format is saved.

>>53468712
It's playable, right?

I'm in abzan with Bloodghasts, Lingering Souls, and Tasigur, so it seems real good.

>>53468747
And here is the post solidifying it all as shitposting

>>53468747
Death's Shadow and Goyf are not 4 mana creatures that the "combo" is contingent upon. They are also 4 ofs, both of them

Decks that run Death's Shadow and Goyf have hand disruption to make sure that doesn't happen

Decks that run Death's Shadow and Goyf don't have a dozen cards worth of draft chaff

>>53468747
Don't be retarded. DS costs 1/4 what a Nephilim costs so if it's countered you can fucking play another one, or play a good card like Traverse and then still play another one.

The point of the deck is to target Ink-Treader with those effects, so when I use act of treason on it, I get to control all of my opponents creatures and win the game on the spot. Artificer is for card draw so I draw Ink-Treader faster. Approach the Second Sun is a sweet alternate win condition, it lets me win even if they get rid of the Ink-Treader.

>>53468791
Meant for >>53468725

>>53468757
Idk about Bloodghast in Junk but Flayer in that shell sounds good.

>>53468869
It works out pretty good. Plays well with Gary. Eats their paths which leaves them open to Tasigur/Rhino/Phyrexian Obliterator. Plays well with Sorin Solemn Visitor.

I think most of the reason is people don't know how to correctly play against a bloodghast.

>>53468541
Here's my list at the moment
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wicked-sweet-norin-sisters/

>>53468201
you would likely need to use aether vials and traverse the ulvenwalds with delirium to make it functional as a toolbox creatures list.

What's the best deck that uses Gifts Ungiven besides Storm?

>>53469090
I thought Gifts went into Thopter Combo?

>>53469090
The only other decks that pops up on mtggoldfish are a U/W control deck and a mono-blue tron deck.

>>53469107
It's good there but even with it Thopter is still a garbage deck that shouldn't even be considered good when compared to storm.

>>53469149
Pretty sure it can be jammed into U-Tron?

>>53469090
4c Saheeli Gifts

Saheeli, gifts, and kiki are kind of a shell that lets you make whatever you want into a jank combo

Do you think Snapcaster Mage could smoke weed? I imagine him often, lighting a blunt or a joint (delivery system for marijuana smoke). He lights it with a basic plastic lighter. He takes the first puff. His eyes widen. He is surprised at the potency of the smoke, but he enjoys it. He enjoys the taste. At first, the burnt aroma is off-putting, but he soon learns to appreciate the aromatic, herbal notes present in the weed smoke. He luxuriates in the smoke. It surrounds him like a comforting blanket. As he takes his second hit, he marvels at the intricate network of woven "hairs. on the surface of the marijuana bud. It reminds him of a tapestry he once saw at the town museum. He is getting higher and higher with every hit. He's never felt this way before. He experiments with smoke rings, exhaling through his nose. He feels that his mind is awakened. He is in a dreamlike state. He feels comfortable. His muscles relax. He is surprised when he notices how thirsty he is. He has never smoked marijuana before and he thought the thirst inducing properties of marijuana were purely fictional. He drinks a glass of unsweetened iced tea. Baral has been encouraging him to drink unsweetened tea instead of beer or soda to help him control his weight. In the past he drank the tea with reluctance and without enjoyment. But now that he is high he notes the complex flavor of the tea. It is smoky, bitter, tannic. He enjoys it. He is amazed that something as simple as iced tea is bringing him so much happiness. He picks up a chunk of marijuana from the kitchen table. "I could get used to this," he thinks. "I've never felt this way. All of my senses are heightened. I feel serene, yet alert. I never want to stop being high. I want to be like this forever. I've fallen in love with marijuana and I never want to stop smoking."

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>>53469294
As Jace Beleren exhales a billowing cloud of dabsmoke, he can't help but wonder if it even gets him high anymore. No longer does he feel the blissful euphoria of blunts-past; only numbness.

>>53469294
wtf is this

>>53469283
>not 4c saheeli nahiri kiki gifts evolution
cmon..

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>it's a fun deck costs more than a T1 deck
I just want to play mono black.

>>53469461
Thank commander for that

>>53469461
List?

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I almost like this reanimator/nahiri list.

>>53469633
Really any of the mono-black shit on mtggoldfish except 8rack.

I'm an awful deckbuilder and need a template to work off of or just straight up netdeck

>>53469377
A shitpost

>want to play a fun deck
>the spikey part of you wont let you play anything not tier 1 or 2
It hurts

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B L U L I A N

>>53462813
huh. I knew this existed but I never thought of it in skred. might make a sb slot.

>>53464013
I have personally stolen over 4 booster boxes worth of packs from Kmart. Just pants em.

>>53468185
don't touch my deck you filthy casual

>>53470511
The issue is that even fringe decks to cost hundreds of dollars. Why pay hundreds for a fringe deck when you could pay hundreds for something that can win?

>>53471282
To be fair once you have the mana base and staples for tier decks that's the majority of fringe deck costs. Except Through the Breach I guess.

So I went to GP Kobe. It was nice! I went 12-3 with Merfolk and got 66th place, with no payout, which was not nice. At least I got to chalice of the void lock Lee Shi Tian out of the game.

I'm pretty frustrated with how WOTC does standing based payout for events like this. Payout to top 64 in a 2800+ person tournament is fucking ridiculous. Especially given that there were about a hundred X-3s. If you went X-3 day 1, I don't think there was ANY way for you to make any money. Which really puts into question why they let X-3s even make day 2 in <3000 person tournaments.

It's been a while since I've played, is Grixis Delver still viable? It seems to have dropped off the face of the earth in sites like mtggoldfish and fatal push seems pretty brutal.

>>53471511
Yes, just change out the Delvers for Death's Shadow.

>>53471511
Grixis Delver kind of got replaced by Grixis Death's Shadow. The decks are very similar, although I find Shadow decks to be stressful.

>>53471554
>>53471561
That's a shame, was hoping to get back in without a large upfront cost. Looks like I'll need to grab playsets of Push, Shadow and Street wraith. eBay cost if up there, being Australian is suffering.

Just started to get into MtG by listening to MtG streams, what's with all these Death Shadow decks? Why is it so popular?

>>53471703
Don't start with modern.

>>53466927
You can.

>>53462411
>all hate Jund and Tron
woops

>>53466539
Whomever told you that is a lie. That's a 1 cmc card.

>>53471424

>Which really puts into question why they let X-3s even make day 2 in <3000 person tournaments.

For fun, and some of them even get prizes due to retarded tiebreakers.

>>53471424
Good, he was pretty tryhard initially against getting locked out. Did he eat his tongue when it happened?

>>53471938
It's a 1 cmc card, but it's an X+1 cmc spell when it's on the stack, which is when chalice cares about its cmc.

4x Burning Inquiry
4x Alms of the Vein
4x Collective Brutality
4x Smallpox
4x Thoughtseize
3x Flameblade Adept
2x Grim Lavamancer
4x Blackcleave Cliffs
4x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
3x Mountain
7x Swamp
4x Dream Salvage
2x Fiery Temper
4x Liliana of the Veil
3x Contaminated Ground

Sb

2x Anger of the Gods
1x Shattering Spree
4x Dark Withering
2x Dreadbore
4x Fulminator Mage
2x Stone Rain

>>53471972
looked it up and you're right. apologies.

>round 14

decklists soon oh baby

>>53472116
>tfw dredge on top, one storm slips into top 8, two jund, three affinity, a kithkin

>>53471908
Which Tier 1/2 deck is the least hated?

>>53472459
Abzan or Titanshift
Abzans so fair its kind of hard to hate and Titanshift is the fairest combo out there.

>>53471424
Any spicy Merfolk tech?

Kobe top 8
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpkob17/top-8-decklists-2017-05-28
>Ad Nauseum
>Affinity
>Esper Control
>Death's Shadow
>WUR control
>Dredge
>Mono Brown Tron
>BW Midrange

Oh and Kobe 9-0 decklists
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpkob17/day-1-9-0-decklists-2017-05-28
Top 8 decks + Burn, CoCo, more tron and Madcap Titanshift of all things.

>>53472459
titanshift, adnaus, elves, burn

>>53465075
I only run two in my legacy burn because of how slow they are. But each time it's drawn, I play it and use it.

Copenhagen 9-0 decklists
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpcop17/9-0-decklists-of-grand-prix-copenhagen-2017-05-28
>Death's Shadow
>Counters Company
>Dredge
>Living End
>Khalni Heart style Titanshift ft Hornet Nest in the sideboard

Titanshift is the only one I know well enough to spot styles and spice.

>>53465075
the meta where i'm at is removal.dec so i'm way of running more creatures

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>>53471424
my shop owner sponsors locals (for a season) that day 2 at GPs or spike an IQ or PPTQ, so i guess there's that.

>Dredge vs. Living End

This is gonna be hilarious.

>S-Storm isn't good!
Why is /tg/ never right?

This storm list is no fun. I liked it better when it went off turn 2.5 and had a chance of fizzling.

Ban Baral and Electromancer and unban Seething Song and Rite of Flame.

>>53473483

Because /tg/ is full of anons who just want shitpost and don't have any reputation to put on the line? They can afford to be wrong because there is no consequence, but if they're inflammatory then they get attention, which is the only currency on 4chan. Hence why "/tg/ is bad at magic." There is no reward for thoughtful discussion, only shitposting.

So top 8 is CoCo, Lantern, Storm, Titanshift, Dredge, Living End, Death's Shadow and Deaths Shadow?

God I hope Lantern doesn't win. I like that that deck exists but I really don't want to play with it.

What was the result of Living End vs Dredge?

>>53473912
Living End sided four Leylines and hit them games 2 and 3. 2-1.

>>53473483
To be fair, it wasn't a good deck until Baral was printed and people discovered the gifts version.

>>53469413
>Not 5c saheeli kiki gifts evolution chord coco bring to light deaths shadow Geist of saint traft bubble hulk Iona tribal flame zoo through the breach leyline battle of wits tempo/combo/control/aggro enchantress?

Does tg even fucking play magic? I swear to god

>>53471972
Something new everyday

>>53473977
One of the Deaths Shadow lists is actually just Tribal Flames Zoo with Death's Shadow instead of the combo/fish deck the usual version is.

>>53462658
Spells can't target themselves. However, you can change a spell's target to the spell changing its target, as it is technically a legal target since spells resolve on the stack still.

>>53473928
Please tell me, did the Dredge player only have Abrupt Decay has anti-grave hate?

>>53474121
I could tell you if they'd post the lists already. He certainly didn't draw anything relevant.

>>53474121
Yes. He had nothing for Leyline.

>>53474008
Neat

Lists up: http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpcop17/top-8-decklists-2017-05-28

>>53474234
Tribal Flames Death's Shadow / Zoo is spicy.

>>53474234
Surprising that the counters company deck doesn't run Ballista. It feels like you're giving up a lot of turn three kills.

>half the lists in the GP top 8 run blue
>/tg/ still thinks blue is dead
Does this prove that /tg/ is awful at magic?

Reminder that /tg/ thought that death shadow, dredge, and storm would die from the last bannings and that infect would still be playable.

>>53474388
/tg/ is no better or worse than any other random message board / forum of Magic players. Of course we're awful.

>>53474463
Reminder that the old death's shadow aggro deck did die.

>>53474388
None of them are interactive, though.

>>53474388
No, it proves that you think /tg/ is one person

>>53472045

I love seeing posts like this. Good on you anon

>>53474388
>>53474487
Also, 2/8 isn't half of 8, simpleton.

>>53474507
>ad nauseam
>esper
>jeskai
>grixis shadow
>not half
/tg/ is bad at math

>>53474552
>gp copenhagen top 8 gets posted in thread
>talks about gp kobe top 8 instead
ayy lmao

>>53474552
What? There's no Ad Naus in the top 8, nor are there UWR/esper decks. Only a Storm deck and a Grixis Shadow deck. See: >>53474234

>>53474609
Those were in the GP Kobe top 8.

Anyone /casual mtg/ here?

I play drafts on friday nights every so often and maybe go to a prerelease or two. If I feel like it I will buy a box of a set that I really like. Otherwise I pretty much just spend time thinking about cards I would buy, but I only have one friend who plays so it's not the best. We don't want to spend an arm and a leg, but standard metagame is cancer right now. What are some fun formats and stuff you guys do to enjoy MtG without spending a fuckton? Or does everyone here spend a lot and go to their LgS?

Help me enjoy MtG more. I always want to stop playing when I go to an LgS because of the autism and fucking sketchy other magic players


competetive magic players are turbo autists but i enjoy the game. i have some disposable income but can't imagine paying out the ass for it.

How do you enjoy magic? what steps do you take? pls no bully

>>53474686
Considering this is the Modern thread, play Modern.

does the new 4cmc black wrath have any implication for modern? damnation sees almost 0 play so I wouldn't think so, but I haven't seen any discussion for it

>>53474686
Decide on a format and then set some goals. Depending on your group there's plenty of cheap, casual fun to be had playing EDH. If you like thinking about cards a lot you might enjoy building your own cube. You can do this on a budget by making a Pauper cube, which is a fucking shitload more fun than it sounds. You could also get into an eternal format, and or budget reasons that's going to be either Pauper or one of two or three Modern decks that aren't significantly worse when built on a budget.

If you goal is to get really fucking good at modern and not spend a lot in the long run I'd buy Affinity straight up. You can do it for around $600 if you buy smart and it's always one of the best decks in the format. It has an incredibly high skill ceiling. Playing perfectly with one or two Ravagers on the field is not something you do as soon as you pick up the deck. It would be a great way to improve your game, unlock modern, and get a working tier-1 deck that likely won't ever require expensive upgrades.

>>53474686

if you don't mind playing online, you can amuse yourself by playing really dumb shit with Penny Dreadful; decks are under $1

just get used to losing to Storm lol

>>53474798
Yahenni's Expertise? I've seen it as tech in Ancestral Vision decks but -3/-3 isn't spectacular at 4cmc.

>>53474798

What 4cmc black wrath are you even talking about? Languish?

>>53474798
>does the new 4cmc black wrath have any implication for modern

uh, I think you might have dreamed that

>>53474840
Rags to Riches, maybe. The front half is worse than what we've already got and the back half is too expensive to matter.

>>53474830
>>53474813

thanks for the feedback. $600 for a modern affinity deck is fucking crazy lol. but i guess i just have to get used to it if i want to play the format. might meme around in standard then, until i get enough cards years down the road to play modern


can anyone redpill me on online magic? i know its cheaper but ive never played it. there have been several programs people talk about and i'm not really sure what the deal is if its good or not relative to real life magic

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>>53474888
>might meme around in standard
>can anyone redpill me on online magic?

>>53474888
>might meme around in standard then, until i get enough cards years down the road to play modern

This isn't really an option, a lot of Modern staples simply won't get reprinted in Standard.

I wouldn't advise just jumping into Modern until you know the format better; try getting a budget deck and messing about at FNM to learn the format. Often people will let you borrow their deck for some games so you can see how stuff plays.

I'm a big big MTGO fan, although the client is super bad.

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>>53474860
>>53474840
this thing

all creatures lose indestructible until EOT, destroy all creatures

>>53474888
If $600 is ridiculous to you then you want to use xmage rather than MTGO for online Magic. $600 is mad cheap man, Jund is $2000+, Burn is around $900.

>>53474944

I don't know if that's even real; the art had already been released so it would be easy to fake.

New Art = real spoiler

>>53474916

how is spending $600--->$1,000 for a modern deck considered a reasonable investment for a magic player

i want to play magic but i don't want to just netdeck some fucking amazing modern shit that costs $800, i actually want to play games of magic and have fun playing games of magic


same reason i think warhammer is cool but would never buy the tabletop figurines, its far too much money/time/autism just to join an absolute dogshit community of spergs

is casual/fun magic a thing or are you just going to talk shit because i won't spend $1k on a netdeck?

goddamn. i'm not even talking shit about modern players, just pointing out how its unrealistic to expect a new player to jump into such an unwelcoming format

>>53474944
How about we see if the card is actually real before we start talking about implications?

Might as well be a custom-card fag otherwise.

>>53474944
Oh baby. I was just thinking that Hour of Devastation would be a good flavourful time to reprint Day of Judgement.

>>53474944
>>53474965

That's not even the right set symbol

>>53474971
If you guys haven't figured it out already, this guy is a troll.

>>53474971

This is what happens when people forget to to put the MODERN IS A COMPETITIVE FORMAT, COMPETITIVE DISCUSSION ONLY disclaimer in the OP

>>53474944

>a strictly better wrath effect
>in standard

it's a fake you doorknob, try using those critical thinking skills of yours.

>>53474998

>Guy wants to play magic but doesn't want to spend $1,000 on a deck
>Asks community for their experiences/advice
>Gets called a troll

fuck you faggot

>>53474961

wow, thats crazy modern decks are that much. i spend $1100 on a gaming rig, but its top tier and will last for multiple years, upgrading as needed, and will play dozens of games

a $1000 modern deck is nowhere near the level of entertainment value as a gaming machine that lasts for years


strongly reconsidering getting into mtg...

>>53475066

Poorfags need not apply to this hobby. We don't want or need you. Go back to your spinners or jangling your keys in front of your face.

>>53474944

Considering I haven't seen this fake elsewhere, I'd assume you're the guy who makes them to post on /tg/. But he's better at it.

>>53475095
Please don't feed the troll, even by trolling the troll.

I want to amuse my LGS by continuing the tradition of "Death's Shadow in every deck" and make BR Burn.

Is Thoughtseize a good choice? And should I go Mardu?

>>53475095

>work at walmart and spend all money on mtg
>no money for clothes, own car, traveling

>Fuck u poorfag reeee

If you don't balk at the idea of spending $1,000 on a deck of magic the gathering cards I don't know what to say. Just fucking wow. How the fuck is that acceptable to you people? Total lack of social lives? is this your only hobby?

A troll is someone who doesn't beleive what they say and are intentionally trying to create drama and fights


I'm not trolling, I do actually want to play magic, but I just can't accept paying $1,000 for a single deck. If a gaming rig is $1,000, a week's vacation to Canada is $1,000, you can get a fucking car for $5,000, how the fuck do you justify $1k on magic cards

what other hobby is that expensive? if you cant justify or explain the price tag you're a fucking wizards of the coast shill. everyone bitches about how bad the community is but this is a new low

>>53475181
Mardu Death's Shadow with Orzhov Charm, Thoughtseize, Dark Confidant, and Bolt sounds good.

>>53474344
Where the hell did you see that

>>53475208
This is why you use your brain. Don't spend 1k on a deck when you could spend 600 on a better one. Save money. Get a better job. People play constructed Magic because they have disposable income and they enjoy it, not because they were pressured into it by a JPN style image board.

>>53475243
Stop feeding the troll or it won't go away.

>>53475232
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpcop17/top-8-decklists-2017-05-28

Scroll to the bottom and check out Geissler's list. It's basically tribal zoo jamming a death's shadow package. I actually really it, hearken's back to DS aggro of last year.

>>53475213
>Orzhov Charm

I always wondered about running Vendetta lol

>>53475181
It's a shame Sulphuric Vortex isn't in Modern.

>>53475208
The thing you don't realise is that:
>spend 1k in a PC rig
>it's worth half that in a week

>spend 1k in vacations
>it's a service, not a product, after that week, it's over, you can either have a great week or a shitty one (bad vacations happen)

>spend 1k in Modern
>still worth 1k or more in later years.

MTG can be expensive, but it retains value like a motherfucker (unless you are a dumbass and buy the FOTM Deck and it gets a ban).

>>53475313
Did you miss the instant speed 2 mana Breath of Life or are you pulling my leg?

Speaking of Flavor of the Month, I've had a special place in my heart for Living End, but I'd like to ease into it. I've got 4 Simian Spirit Guides and 2 Living Ends from my time playing Time Spiral Limited, but no Fulminator mages, which are the other expensive card. How necessary are they to the deck? What are some good budget builds?

>>53475436

obviously orzhov charm is better, it just reminded me of it

>>53475465
the only thing budget you can get are the fetches, Wooded Foothills and Bloodstained Mires, instead of Verdant Catacombs.
Fulminators are mandatory in the deck.

Just bought the shit to make the BW Eldrazi deck that won Kobe. Is it real?

>>53475558
I dunno but those cards all go in established decks too.

Except the Tidehollow Scullers which only go in c list decks

New thread
>>53475621
>>53475621

>>53475628
Nigger, we haven't even reached the bump limit yet. Calm your lactating tits.

>>53475628
This is some dedicated trolling.

I'm pretty sure Abzan Company is the best deck in the format right now, and not for the first time since CoCo has been printed. Will they ban any pieces of the infinite? Would they ban CoCo? I wouldn't think so except they banned Twin and that was a whole range of decks as well.

>>53475796
Not with its current metagame share or number of turns to win.

>>53474486
it literally just top 8ed a GP http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpcop17/top-8-decklists-2017-05-28

That's basically the old linear non interactive Deaths Shadow aggro with some changes

>>53475876
>a fringe deck top 8ing a GP means it isn't dead
k

>>53475846
Even if it doesn't draw one of its 6-7 dorks it's still a turn 3 deck anon. Turn two Druid, Turn 3 Vizier ->Ballista for 20.

>>53475796
Grixis Shadow is the "best deck" right now, as it's the meta-buster against JDS (the "best deck"). Althoufg, best deck is a misnomer. There really is no best deck (Not since Eldrazi Winter), just a bunch of good decks, a handful of great decks, and a crap ton of mediocre decks.

death shadow ban inc

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>>53476174
nope

>>53474944
If this is real (kinda iffy it is), then it might be in the Nicol Bolas archenemy getting released this year

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thoughts on rhonas in mono green stompy?

>>53476560
Monogreen Stompy isn't competitive, but Rhonas is probably fine.

>>53476665
yeah im trying to find non budget ways to make it more competitive. so far ive thought of scavenging ooze, collected company, and rhonas.

>>53476735
If you run coco you have to cut down on pump spells.

>>53476766
yep im trying to find a good balance of pumps

>>53475796
I think the infinite mana on t3 is more of a problem considering CoCo was fine before they decided to print Vizier. Not to mention it hurts other decks but it's not like wizards actually gives a shit about that.

>>53476735
Do you have goyfs?

>>53473625
How about no

>>53474487
Fuck off interactionfags

>>53475066
Poorfags are the worst. How do you even access the internet at the homeless shelter you're staying at?

Suggestions to help vs storm?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/green-cheats-2/

I want to remake my Molten Vortex + Loam control brew, except lightly splashing black for removal. Terminate and Abrupt Decay are just so good. Now that we've got Modern legal lands with cycling I think it could be pretty legit, especially since the format's best deck is a creature deck.

New thread guys
>>53475621
>>53475621

>>53475919

Yeah, it's turn 3 in christmasland where their opponent is clinically retarded and doesn't have any removal/discard. Hope this isn't you.

What the fuck is wrong with you people? Everyone here just panics and throws out the possibility of a ban whenever a new deck moves to tier 1. There's currently nothing oppressive in this meta, but if people keep saying shit like this the apes at wotc will actually ban something and fuck up the format again.

>>53478714
Rest in Peace (or any grave hate) can shut down Storm, or at least slow them down. Alternatively, give up, scoop, and embrace the sweet release of death.

>>53478770
reminder to let the troll thread die off

>>53478796
Have 2of, but it seems like they happen into a perfect curve w/ merchant scroll or gifts ungiven and an electromancer with 3-4 lands every game and often don't even need past in flames.

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>>53478750
One of these if you run Seismics pls brother

>>53474371
R H O N A S

THE PATRICIAN COCO WINCON

>>53478770
fuck you

>>53478880
Grixis Assault Swans incoming.

>>53478771
You aren't wrong, but unfortunately that's the Wizards we have to deal with. They WILL panic ban cards. There isn't enough data to say if Vizier is broken or not. From my little testing against it I'd say not. It could still be banned and I don't want to buy in if that happens.

B/W Eldrazi takes Kobe over Dredge.
Grixis Shadow takes Copenhagen over Living End.

Actual new thread

>>53479270

>>53479270

>>53479270

>>53477648
unfortunately no

>>53465075
it's getting better with the counter company deck coming up. if you expect to see a lot of that, i'd do something like 1 main 1 side. otherwise, you can probably do without it.

>>53472492
Depends on your definition of Spicy. I run 1 Tidebinder Mage and a V Clique main. The Clique was VERY good this weekend. Plus the 2 chalices in the sideboard. I'm unsure if it should be more or if I should avoid them in the future. Chalice is good against a variety of combo decks and Deaths Shadow, Burn, control decks, etc, but the Vizier matchup is SO BAD that we might need to dedicate more sideboard space to beat it.

>>53476665

It's not competitive as taking it to GP but it's competitive enough for FNM unless your place is 90% tron.

I just want to a have a decent slivers deck :(