Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>53462000
I want to play as a good and caring daddy in Starfinder!

>>53462000
Age of Worms, making me feel all nostalgic there, OP.

>>53462000
>bbeg

Ugh edition.

>>53462043
>7 INT and WIS
>good at mothering

Rory is a more qualified parent than that dunce

>>53462248
Hey, I still got 3/4 right, that's a passing score!

>>53462248
>12 CHA, 8 INT, 18 WIS

you're right

>>53462248
Yeah, but Rory would just pump-and-dump and hop on the next ship out of port. Gloriana would at least try and raise her pups.

Reminder that only celeb apps will get into Ensoulment.

>>53462000
>BBEG
No thanks.

>>53462310
I want Rory to pump-and-dump inside me!

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>>53462313
We need to remove the celeb players.

>>53462347
Who are the celeb players?

>>53462278
>cruel, selfish, child-eating class, irresponsible teenager

I've got doubts about one of your other choices too.

>>53462355
Anyone that gets name dropped in the threads, shitposts or not, on a regularly basis.

>>53462388
Got a list, dude?

>>53462310
What if they were Rory pups? Would he leave or take responsibility for his crossover family?

>>53462204
>>53462314
Y'all are stupid.

>>53462401
Just read the threads for the last two or three days. Any name is on the list.

>>53462414
My bet is that he WOULD

>>53462359
>child-eating class
But what idiot in their right mind would actually take Cook People when there are so many better hexes?

>>53462271
>tease about throwing it out

How will you find it? Do you make a habit of snooping through party members' stuff?

>>53462000
>BBEG

Ugh

>>53462204
>>53462314
>>53462471
What is this meme?

>>53462468
You see her cooking the Night Tea and you kick it off the fire.

>>53462512
People think they're above playing in a story where there's a Big Bad to fight at the end of it.

>>53462468
>tease
Key word here. You don't let on that you know where she keeps it because you don't.

You just say it in the heat of the moment, and then never actually do jack shit to her night tea.

>>53462512
People are tired of hearing "Big Bad Evil Guy" when "villain" is better in just about every way and doesn't make you sound like a toddler who just came back from tvtropes.

>>53462545
>>53462570
People have been complaining about "Big Bad Evil Guy" for years. The early complaints seemed to be mostly about the concept itself, with many people disagreeing that a plot needed a character as a central antagonist.

Now, it seems that some of the complaints are about the language. "Big Bad Evil Guy" was coined to sound corny, and is more of an in-joke than a designation like "Central Antagonist." It's also grown to be somewhat vague, with some people using it as the central antagonist, others using it as the final antagonist, and still others using it as simply any antagonist, which can get confusing when trying to communicate about one of these specific ideas.

As far as the shitstorm, I think that comes in part because it takes very little effort to say "BBEG sounds dumb", which is enough to trigger some people who use that phrase. These people then go to say things like "you need to respect this acronym, it's /tg/'s acronym, every true fa/tg/uy uses BBEG exclusively," and that gets even people who had no real interest in the matter upset, because it starts to sound like there's people who are actually actively trying to push BBEG.

BBEG is a meme, and like most memes it doesn't have much of a shelf life. The old joke has faded, and now it seems like people are just finding it weird for people to be so fervent in holding onto it.

>>53462548
So she doesn't get pregnant, and you cuck yourself out of your own shitty shiiled fetish.

kys fetishposter

>>53462594
>The old joke has faded, and now it seems like people are just finding it weird for people to be so fervent in holding onto it.
Like pathfinder

>>53462512
There's a shitposter affectionately known as BBEGfag who goes around typing ">BBEG Ugh" on every thread, followed usually by a copypasta and rambling about people "Defending their pet phrase".
So people started mocking him with the "Ugh" meme.

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So which daemon would be most effective if you strapped a jet engine to it's back and giae it two guns that shoot napalm?

Please wank BEFORE posting here, and not during.

>>53462522
Pretty sure that's an instant recipe for no booty, Anon. You don't piss off your prospective hook-up before you get access to the goods. That would be stupid

>>53462631
Fetishposting is off topic for /tg/.

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>>53462151
Operator dad who has a family at home?

How much Night Tea serves to abort the fledgling fetus, and how early must it be administered?

Can we not?

>>53462718
With a little hologram of his family?

>>53462000
The setting's big three villains are the following:
>A colony of maggots inhabiting the corpse of a deceased god, referred to as The Pale Choir. They gained a sort of malignant intelligence from consuming deific flesh.
>A powerful entity that is the origin of hag kind and mortal witchcraft, known as The Hag Mother. She has been seeding secret changelings into populations around the world for millennia.
>Two unique twin sapient undead created when a great hero cleaved a mighty undead lord's skull in twain known as Absolution and Enlightenment. Before they were split the undead lord was trying to build an assisted suicide device for reality called The Deliverance Engine.

Rate my setting's villains

>>53462450
Someone who wants to savor the taste of rare delicacies like Tiefling.

>>53462000
I'm very confused with Pathfinder.

What is the Conjuration School? The Treantmonk guide talks about it and the wiki says about it but in the PDF I found there is no "Conjuration School".

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>>53462743

Of course, you have to remind yourself what your fighting for after all

>>53462000
>What makes him such a big deal?

If he "succeeds" his little project is going to send two planets into collision course through a gate and then causes the Material Plane to collapse partially into Abaddon

>>53462772
Well if they just wanted a taste, all they'd have to do is ask.

Anons, I'll be GMing my first pathfinder game soon and I'd like to know any race and/or cosmology differences between D&D 3.5 races/cosmology and pathfinder. Is there a list somewhere?

I'm talking about the changes like eladrin = azata, or I don't know like hell is now called bad-flame-land and it's blue, etc. I'd like to use my 3.5 books and campaign with minor adjustments

>>53462875
>3.5
you still use that?
move on to a better system please

>>53462779
Anyone?

>>53462779
SRD

>>53462894

Why, does pathfinder not a decent system? Since I implied I moved on to pathfinder and this is a pathfinder thread, I thought you guys at least somewhat like pathfinder a little?

>>53462640
The flesh orb that constantly falls everywhere.

http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Lapsudaemon

>>53462924
you thought wrong
please use something that isn't about d20s
i know you're really old but that's no reason to resist change

>>53462889
>assuming sex occurs on a nightly basis

What kind of insane campaigns do you people run?!

>>53462917
Please explain.

>>53462959
google

>>53462779
I don't understand the question. Do you mean the wizard class feature to specialize into a school- in which case, that's with the wizard- or do you mean the group of spells?

All spells have their school listed at the top of their stat block. You can find details on any special functions of a school in the Magic chapter.

>>53462924
Something like half of /pfg/ unironically hates Pathfinder here, the other half ironically hates Pathfinder.

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>>53462930
I wish I had the bueno picture for this, but I don't so you can have a samurai instead.

>>53462977
I have the book in portuguese and a PDF in english, the guide for Wizards from Treantmonk mentions a "Conjuration School", but both the portuguese and english books don't mention this "conjuration" school in the mage part.

>>53462945

Are we GURPing now? I really can't wrap my head around the thing you're saying anon, been reading lots of rulebooks today. Mind mind has only ptsd images of my homebrew cosmology right now, sorry.

I delved the reddit, 4chan archives, interwebz, etc and couldn't find such a list, only some info here and there. You guys got such a lifesaving url or not?

>>53463022
Sounds like it was probably translated as something else. It's the school that summons stuff. Like Summon Monster.

>>53463065
But the english PDF doens't mention the conjuration school as well.

>>53463077
...yes, it absolutely does. Are you sure you have the core rulebook?

>>53463054
No? I'm telling you that 3.5 is shit, PF is just a reskinned 3.5, and it is thus shit too. Move on to something else for your own good, and your players too.

>>53463022
Conjuration is a school that specializes in creating something out of nothing temporarily or bring something from somewhere into another place.

So by pathfinder's settlement rules approximately 5% of the population are spell casters. As Thorps (who are ~20 people) have a level 1 spell caster in them.

I have never gotten anyone's reasoning over why vague knowledge of how spells work shouldn't be common for everyone in golarion when everyone knows at least one spellcaster.

I'm not saying spell craft to identify spells, but that stuff like "magic is dangerous", "even weak mages can put you to sleep", "shooting them while they're trying to cast stops them", "priests need holy symbols to do their magic", and that sort of shit.

>>53463096
>>53463106
Oh I see, the pdf I'm looking at says "Evocation" but it has the same description as the "Conjuration" in the guide.

How much would weed cost in Pathfinder?

>>53463102

Well, thanks for pointing out my tastes are shit. Luckily, it's mine taste and mine only. I also don't get people watching black and white movies in 2017, but hey, it's not me who's watching those movies so I don't care that much. Nostalgia is a bitch you know.

>>53463141
Weird since evocation is effectively bending and shaping pure energy while conjuration is about mimicking something that exists and shaping it from raw magic.

>>53463158
>Luckily, it's mine taste and mine only
But it isn't, you worthless ESL scum. You're propagating terrible habits and luring in unsuspecting newbies.

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>Dedicated casters only have spells that go up to 6th level
>Soldier has way more going for it than just feats
>Has a class where you're basically a Jedi who also flings hadokens made of starfire and opens singularities in people's chests
>Has a dinosaur imperium
>Sci-Fi is better than fantasy in general
Calling it now: Starfinder is going to be the Shawn Michaels of the two games within two years.

>>53462151
Iconic Mystic is best bug dad.

Really digging the new races. One of the first thing I asked myself when I learned Shirren commonly keep their larva with them, even when adventuring, is all the ways that could possibly go wrong, and what might happen in such an instance.

Thus, the concept for my Shirren Operative was born.

>>53463158
To be honest, 3.5 stuff is easy to convert to PF. If you still have the books, just use them.

Otherwise, just check the trove in the OP.

>>53462000

The Subjective Spider is not evil per se but the wealthy explorer that found it in the Vast and tried to bring it back hoped to use it to literally re-write reality to reclaim his lost fame and revive his wife who died during the decline of his career and hopefully rebuild the relationship with his children.

The act of carrying it back messed with the drift engines causing it to be lost in the Drift for years but now signs are showing that the ship is within reach and a number of groups are gunning for it, for the chance at priceless treasures of the Vast while the children want to know the fate of their father.

Idea for a scenario in Starfinder

>>53463191
Dude, just help the poor guy out. Memeing "pathfinder is shit" constantly isn't going to answer his question. Now, are you going to keep being a little shit or do something useful with your time?

>>53463158
As for you, I'd help out more if I was more familiar with the 3.5 settings. The discord or IRC might be better places to ask, since I think there's a contingent of players that still use FR stuff that show up there.

>>53463186
They did a mess with the translation to portuguese probably because there is no conjuration school in the Wizard chapter but in the spell list there are Conjuration spells, wtf hahaha

>>53463199
>Shawn Michaels
Elaborate.

I just prefer Sci-Fi since it is easier for me to imagine the stuff and how to limit it more than traditional fantasy.

>>53463236
We're sorta obliged to give the guy a warning though.
3.5 and PF warrants a "Get outta here Dewey, you don't want none of this shit." before we give the anon drugs to ruin his life.

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>>53462594

>>53463322
This is such a random thing to copypasta.

>>53463369
This is such a random thing to copypasta.

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>>53463322

I wonder if anyone remembers Svana Kodlak

>>53463460
I do, wasn't that the replacement after gamagirly? Or was that a different player?

>>53463460
I was okay with the idea, but she didn't really leave me more than nonplussed. Some interesting art might have helped make her more memorable.

>>53463460
Wasn't that the wereboar turbomom? She was excellent, and it's a shame she never applied to RotJR for real

>>53463482
Not gamagirly
>>53463522
There's just not much art out there that would fit her
>>53463523
Yes she was sorry but IRL stuff got in the way

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>>53461783
Taking a quick glance back at the weapon creation system, I have to ask who the fuck designed this garbage. The shit I made in the above post? I could just make it a Martial Weapon rather than exotic and the only thing I would lose out on is it being a traditional elven weapon. Hell, any weapon worth using save a 2-handed finesse weapon can be made martial and work just fine.

>>53463154
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Recreational_drugs_of_Golarion

>>53463555
Hey, life happens and we're not going to judge ya for it. Svana was a real sweetheart and it was sweet to see her go from concept to character (even if she was turbo-fast and Russian.)

Hold onto her, might be another game crops up that would support her (Blingmaker could have.)

>>53463555
It sucks but it's understandable. Still a crying shame though.

>>53462000
He's going to unleash a planetary-scale catastrophe with the potential to cause at the very least a massive dieout of humanoids and other complex lifeforms, and condemn his own race specifically (serpentfolk somewhat refluffed) to final and complete extinction. Why he's doing that? Well, he was somewhat of a standard PF serpentfolk magic-user, except even more of a raging, arrogant supremacist than normal, considering his race the eldest and most perfect of all, and then, as he sought to unearth more secrets and powers from ancient history, and return his people to glory, he delved too deep, and had H.P. Lovecraft protagonist's realization about how utterly insignificant serpentfolk were in the grand scheme of things, and how hopeless his old plans were. His sanity shattered alongside with his pride, he basically decided to ragequit and to take as much of the mortal world with him as he could (his followers are not aware of that).

>>53463703
That IRL stuff involved me losing my computer, so I no longer have her

>>53463797
F

>>53463797
Dan? Is that you? Are you still a cat man?

>>53462924
Ignore the trolls. On /tg/, contrarians tend to be loud, but only a fool would take them seriously.

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>>53463259
>Elaborate
Shawn Michaels was once in a tag team called The Rockers with a guy called Marty Jannetty, that ended when Shawn turned heel and threw Marty through a barber shop window. Since then, Marty has faded to obscurity, while Shawn Michaels is... Shawn Michaels.

That comparison may be too extreme, but I feel that Pathfinder will always be in D&D's shadow to an extent, the system has a lot of issues, a lot of things it's expected to honor, with it's best aspect being it's setting (outside of the kitchen sink that is Golarion) whereas Starfinder is basically free to take what has been proven to work and make it into it's own thing, and as you said Sci-Fi is so much easier to keep grounded and stay immersed in.

One of fantasy tabletop's biggest failings for me has been it's really hard to feel any sense of immersion, tension, or stakes when in the back of my mind I know it all comes down to dice rolls and the party wizard flipping the board upside down. That later also makes it hell to GM for.

Whereas with Starfinder I'm confident everyone at the table will know what's going on and how much they can impact said goings on at all times.

Also I can be a dinosaur space marine. For the Veskarium! For Damoritosh, The Conqueror!

>>53462639
I think you're projecting pretty hard here. Are you really that upset about people making fun of you for still using "big bad evil guy"?

>>53463872
Wait, Damoritosh is a God of War?

>>53463872
What the fuck is this weapon design? Is that supposed to be an ax or something? What are those blue arrows that seemingly go to nothing?

>>53463797
>>53463809
Let's be frank here, Svana would have still been lost in the Great Purge of Myth-Weavers.

You can still make her!

>>53463915
>All those RotJR characters
>All lost in the Myth-Weavers Great Fire

>>53463911

They're energy blades. There's another pic floating around with one that has a sword of a similar design.

>>53463946
Why have three stick out like that though? What possible use could it have besides "oh man starfinder so cool, I sure do love paizocock"?

>>53463911
The arrows could be a shoulder weapon like the Predator's plasma thrower.

>>53463964

Because you're secretly projecting your love of cocks? I don't know, blame the artist.

>>53463971
I remember discussion that those arrows are supposed to be some sort of holo-back banner.

>>53463987
>holo-back banner

SPACE CAVALIER

>>53463964
I mean it's a bit more practical than having one large line of energy being projected. It focuses the energy into three distinct points, which might aid in armor penetration. I'm pulling this out of my ass.

On the other hand, having an energy pick which is just one big spike of gloopy plasma stuff would be cool

>>53463895
Hi BBEGfag
>inb4 "I'm not him lots of people hate that phrase!"

How do I make fun, memorable characters? My group tends to reminiscence a lot and my PCs are rarely ever mentioned, if at all. I know it sounds REALLY petty but it really bums me the fuck out. It makes me not even want to play sometimes because why bother? Is there some checklist I need to go over? I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

>>53464179
Be gimmicky.

Don't try to be optimal.

Make something that sounds funny, not something that's high-op.

>>53464095
Ah, I get it. I should have finished my post with
>inb4 I get called BBEGfag
It sounds like you do this thing a lot. Don't you have anything better to do than to argue about an acronym all the time to the point of it being a routine for you?

>>53463655
>and the only thing I would lose out on is it being a traditional elven weapon
Well, besides the extra weapon design points.

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>tfw no tian xia AP that is a romance of the three kingdoms or sengoku jidai war period
>tfw the entire continent is forgotten
What would you want to run or see run in Tian Xia, /pfg/? Tell me about the eastern adventures you want and will never have.

>>53464254
All of one design point, dude.

>>53464253
Just used to the rampant shitposting friendo.

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>>53463899
>God of Space Dinosaur Spartans from Space
Yep.

>>53463911
It's the "we don't want to be sued by Disney" design they've gone for with energy weapons. I kind of like it.

Here, have a dinojedi.

>>53464263
Na
Ru
To

>>53464189
>Stormwinding this hard

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>>53464263
>ywn lead your small tian country and crusade to take back your queens emotions which are also WMDs
>ywn flip a 7 km long city-ship in order to win a "historical reenactment" battle with the taldan fleet
>ywn play this song when you do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPkaroNNVYE

>>53464095
>lots of people hate that phrase!"

But lots of people DO dislike that phrase.
It's not a particularly likable phrase, after all.

>>53464352
As the OP, I had no idea people actually cared about the phrase one way or another. I just used it because "Evil" and "Edition" both start with an E, and I wanted to use that picture of Kyuss.

>>53464334
>stormwind fallacy

That's always been the three-second way of just flat out admitting to be a shitty roleplayer who only cares about optimizing their character.

>>53464263
>Tian Xia
Why restrict yourself to Golarion. Why not make your own !Japan setting?

>>53464404
Except it's not. Having your character be shitty doesn't automatically make them flavorful and having them optimized doesn't automatically make them bland.

>>53464352
I don't understand what's wrong with it, I always saw it as just a fucking term. Is it autism?

>>53464405
Because I want an AP, and am shit at writing my own settings and campaigns. I've tried. It doesn't work.

>>53464421
It's extreme autism.

Ded game. Ded thred. Go to /5eg/

>>53464263
I had plans to run a Wuxia adventure in Quain about their usual ritual but then I remembered that I hate running Pathfinder.

>>53464263
War between Bachuan and Hwanggot. Run two concurrent campaigns involving saboteurs weakening Hwanggot for invasion, and chivalrous flower knights trying to stop said invasion.

>>53464179
>>53464179
Be more active and assertive--even if there's a risk of failure, DO stuff. It pissed me off for years how I never seemed to make an impression, but then I realized it was because I kept playing it cool and staying out of the spotlight.

Steal the spotlight, be loud, be shameless, have fun!

>>53464421
Aside from people just not liking how it sounds and it being largely unnecessary and overly cutesy, it's really out and away a weird piece of jargon compared to more direct terms like PC or MP or GM. I'm personally not a huge fan of it either.
There's also this whole thing about it being very tvtropesy and popularized by Joss Whedon, and both of those don't have a particularly great reputation here.
It's nothing to get upset over, but it's not really hard to see why some people prefer just sticking to more common language.

>>53464534
Just use Legends of the Wulin or some other system that's way better suited for Wuxia than PF.

>>53464179

You could just accept being the guy who makes chill characters. Not everything needs to be gimmick whizbang high energy all the time. Speak up and pull through in clutch moments to cement yourself as the anchor others trust in.

>>53464566
Literally I have never heard of people disliking the phrase until the memes about "uuugh bbeb" started popping up on /tg/ like a year or so ago.

here is nothing actualy wrong with it, and instead complaining about it is a banner that possibly only a handful of contrarians will say just to get (You)s and attention

So I'm making a Daring Champion Cavalier with Order of the Cockatrice.

I can take either Dervish Dance or Slashing Grace. I'll have the perform and the finess. But basically... is there anything that beats the Scimitar to justify not just going that route?

Would Sworlord be decent enough to swap in for some levels and justify a dueling sword? Seems like it would basically be trading a lot of damage for some ac which I'll already have a lot of.

>>53464960
Unless you have a specific build in mind that'd benefit more from another kind of one-handed slashing weapon, Scimitar and Dervish Dance are probably your best bet.

Swordlord is shit.

tfw over a month left for Flower Court to see if an app is accepted.

>>53464928
It's probably just not something most people think about. But, then again, it's not exactly the coolest piece of jargon.

>>53464989
I can't really think of any. I don't really like the aesthetics of the Scimitar that much and it is strange setting wise but stat wise it seems to be the best option and just works perfectly in the build.

Maybe I'll ask the gm to rename it to something more fitting.

>>53465078
An aldori dueling sword and a scimitar are both curved swords anyway, just ask to refluff the scimitar slightly

>>53465078
>My character learned to fight from a foreigner
>I won/bought/found this sword and had to adapt it to my own abilities
>It's the favored weapon of my deity

Come up with an idea to justify it.

>>53465115
It does affect allies. It specifies everyone except you.

>>53464993
What are you talking about? They're all accepted, even Vult's fuccboi

>>53465188
No they aren't.

>>53465188
>Vult accepted

this is the worst timeline

at least we got broodie's app back

>>53465188
I'm honestly surprised he didn't try and push Aisha again.

>>53464263
I'm running Jade Regent right now and I can't wait to introduce them to the continent since they just got there. I've got so much shit prepared in terms of fluff, it's going to be great.

>>53465247
>>53465278

The players may not be, but the characters will be NPCs. iirc, that was what Protag said himself.

>>53465493
He said he'll be inviting the players to play their NPC characters when appropriate, in addition to the regular group.

Personally I think the idea sounds really messy though.

>>53465464
Why do people keep ragging on Aisha? She was a good app

>>53465541
Because Vult was such a shit about said app

>>53465541
maybe because Vult made it, I kinda liked Aisha. Also, it might have to do with people have a negative pull toward reused apps. Back when Amber Fields of Mothune was a thing, people got a bit pissy at a RotJR app getting reused. Even if it was better in that game then the JR game.

>>53465476
Godspeed my man. I just wish my players had shown any interest in...well, ANYTHING last time I ran Jade Regent.

>Edgelord that guy only wants to brood and be an asshole in between shooting things
>Other guy just moves and full attacks and made his character take a vow of silence specifically so he wouldn't have to talk to people
>Next guy keeps switching characters then complaining he's bored
>Another guy fails at munchkining and doesn't want to play a game where he might fail a check, so he bails and has me kill his character off
>That girl has never learned what a d20 is for, doesn't understand how to play her barbarian, and so she just limp-wristedly swings her non-masterwork starting weapon while making cat noises

>>53465600
A reused RotJR app got in dragons2, I doubt that was the problem.

>>53465541
No, she was average at best, then Vult shilled her relentlessly, and began to screech autistically any time someone said something remotely negative.

Anyone got cute drow art? Or do I have to venture outside of here?

>>53465618
I mean, in that case it was Broodie. The waifu crafter extraordinaire.

>>53465619
This.

Aisha wasn't bad. She needed a little work, but she was actually pretty good.

I expected she was going to get into Dragons1, and then Dragons2 before it turned out what kind of prima donna her player was. Every time someone gave a review, he threw a fit. When Avowed got nerfed, he threw a fit. In the end, he was such a problem even before the game got started that Aisha ended up as a crib-death.

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>Make strangler
>Every enemy now has no need to breathe, has no way to be choked or can escape in one round

>>53465594
Literally what did he do? Get upset that Sigh bait and switched him? Pushed SEagle to make a decision on Avowed? Said she wasn't having sex with her colossal dragon NPC?

>>53465638
S-so this is the power of waifucrafting!

>>53465668
Oh hi Vult.

>>53465630
There used to be a legendary Anon that desired to wed a Drow. That Anon possessed a mighty trove of such art.

Try to summon him, if you can!

>>53465668
Wait, I remember her! She had the cute older dragon in her backstory. They totally should've fucked. That would've been really sweet.

>>53465655
>he threw a fit!
>he threw a fit!
Talking about something is not throwing a fit about it.

>>53465188
This means the dream to mate with the mouse still lives!

>>53465701
Wasn't he shitposting the deets about his PMs with SEagle and with Dragonborn DM? I didn't follow either game but I'm pretty sure I saw the shitposts in thread.

>>53465700
The whole point of that dynamic was that Marduk was the one who wouldn't fug her, not that she wouldn't fug him. He had a guilt complex about Enkidu always getting killed and reincarnated and watching Enkidu grow up again and again and never being able to stop the cycle. The fact that I couldn't find a way to express that in the app was the thorn in my side about it

>>53465713
You could even PM THEM since Protag wants people to play their character where appropriate.

>>53465600
RIP Molthune

>>53465681
DrowAnon! We need you now more than ever!

>>53465749
Oh, no, I got all of that. It was really interesting. I didn't realize that was you.

>>53465749
I know we've always believed it but I think this is the first time Vult's given any evidence of defending himself anonymously.

>>53465791
That's a sincere regret post, Anon. Hardly something to get upset over.

>>53465763
PLD kind of overshadowed it.

I still don't understand why people think I threw a fit over Avowed. Being told your sheet is about to be disqualified justifies a bit of panic.

Which score if either shows internal confidence? WIS or CHA?

>>53465926
CHA. WIS actually inspires doubt and humility.

>>53465926
Internal? Definitely wisdom.

>>53465926
Cha

Having confidence has very little to do with self-awareness

>>53465926
Neither, that's personality.

>>53465938
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

>>53465969
Someone with 20 WIS can easily be a dumb cunt

What about high CHA and low WIS and INT?

>>53465638
a gross rat with a copy paste anime personality is not waifu material

>>53466046
A VERY charming old fool.

>>53465761
I want more campaigns set in Molthune, and the Land of the Linnorm Kings, and Galt.

>>53466046
CHAD

>>53466055
This, Rinka got in purely because SEagle was going for something anime with that campaign.

Need build advise here. I want a wizard backup character for my current campaign. Largely because I'm playing a martial character as usual, and the DM thinks everyone likes playing on insane difficulty.

But therein lies my problem. I wanna play a transmuter. I've never built a caster. I have access to apg arg unchained and acg. Human preferred, since we're located in Taldor, twenty point buy with the restriction of two 8's at most. Restricted buying power, +1 or 2k guaranteed available, anything over that is a roll. We're currently at level 6. And no, i don't want an arcanist, because i want Staff-like Wands.

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Sorry if it's already been shown and discussed previously, but did we talk about the pre-gen character sheet leak for starfinder?

>>53463615
Aborting a 2 week tiny cluster of cells isn't exactly a terrifying implication any more than a period is.

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>>53466078
Oh god, this is juicy.

>>53466078
i am concerned.

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>>53466078

>Heavy, two-handed weapon
>Only does 1d10 damage
>Two-handed melee weapon is 1d12+4

>mfw melee is still better than ranged in a fucking Space Opera

>>53466078
It appears that "space ax" is a "Doshka."

Vesk racial weapon?

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>>53466078
>8 INT
hmmmmm

>>53466055
>He thinks bully-able chuunis aren't waifu material

top kek

>>53466120
Lightsabers have always been superior to blasters in 1-v-1 combat.

>>53466127
I CAN ALMOST HEAR THE HOUNDS

>>53466136
A metal pipe is going to be superior to a blaster in ALL situations.

>>53466120
Anon melee is better than ranged even today. If I smash your head with a warhammer you are done, a hit with a gun and you may yet live as a cripple.

>>53465926
Neither.

Anyone can be confident. If you're low charisma and confident, it's annoying as opposed to endearing.

>>53466120
A baseball bat is just as deadly as a colt.

>>53466129
Chuuni is shit.

"Bully" is shit.

Rats are shit.

Rinka is shit.

>>53466144
Oh sure that's why nobody's going to take ranged weapons then because they're NOT USEFUL.

>>53466153
>CHUUNI IS SHIT

How can a man with taste this shit exist

>>53466153
>Oh sure that's why nobody's going to take ranged weapons then because they're NOT USEFUL.
Except range is king of the battlefield and lazor rifles are almost assuredly longer range than bows, and even then the archer build is already one of the strongest.

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>>53466078
>guns are STILL extreme level of garbage
>the ideal spacefaring warriors are a bunch of sci-fi characters carrying around composite bows, if not greatswords

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>>53466142

>>53466166
The gun does as much damage as clean hit with a glaive. What do you want?

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>>53466151
Is the 1d3 pistol damage real? Because it seems like it's going to be real with 1d10 being the number used for a HEAVY WEAPON.

>>53466163
Who the fuck cares about RANGE when the RANGE of a battlemap is going to be 30 feet or less to the enemy.

>>53466172
dexterity to damage

>>53465755
B-but anon, mice are easily startled.

>>53466174
>Who the fuck cares about RANGE when the RANGE of a battlemap is going to be 30 feet or less to the enemy.
Maybe that's encounter design issues then?

>>53466181
I'd rather have 2d8 with no dex to damage if that's the case.

>>53466166
what movie?

>>53466172
As a glaive with no damage modifiers. Anon this HEAVY WEAPON is doing less damage than a current Pathfinder laser rifle, which is 2d6.

THE WEAPONS OF THE FUTURE ARE WEAKER THAN THE WEAPONS OF THE PAST, UNLESS IT'S MAGIC OR MELEE.

>>53466174
No, use a Laser Battery for 1d3+1.

>People actually though Starfinder would make guns work

ahahaha

>>53466184
>Maybe that's encounter design issues then?
No, that's system design issues.

Name three situations in an AP where having extreme amounts of range has EVER been useful. Oh wait you can't, because that does not exist because games have always been built around accommodating the melee characters so they can't get their fee-fee hurt.

WHAT IS STOPPING ME FROM JUST USING A BEATSTICK AND IGNORING THE FACT LASER WEAPONS ARE A THING.

>>53466196
>THE WEAPONS OF THE FUTURE ARE WEAKER THAN THE WEAPONS OF THE PAST
Makes sense given all the ancient artifacts we find in pathfinder that are superior in every way to present-day items and all the Keen Flaming Adamantite +5 Longswords of Spellstoring we find in ruins hundreds of thousands of years old when you can't even find a +3 anywhere in the human empires.

>>53466120
With different energy AC and Kinetic AC, that sword may do more damage, but be harder to actually do damage with

>>53466196

>Anon this HEAVY WEAPON is doing less damage than a current Pathfinder laser rifle, which is 2d6.

Medieval people getting hit with lasers is going to hurt more than future people in hi-tech armor

>>53466213
Maybe APs won't ignore it this time?

>>53466213
Enemy with KAC of 30 and EAC of 15?

>>53466223
>Medieval people getting hit with lasers is going to hurt more than future people in hi-tech armor
Protection from Energy [Laser]

>>53466172
>>53466181
I'm not even not asking for the full Dex-to-damage optimal output, it can be Int or some other damage improvement, or other things adding to effectiveness like barrages. The most important thing is they cannot just be essentially ported crossbows, or we're looking at SPACEFARING SCI-FI WITHOUT FUCKING GUNS.

>>53466129
it's more like just copy-pasting the most important part of your character from a list of stock anime tropes is phenomenally lazy

but you're one of broodie's discord dick suckers so you'll find some way to rationalize that too

>>53466236
Great, now you've used magic to even the odds. I said medieval people, not magic people. Magic people will have better defenses against lasers compared to a dude in plate armor.

>>53466244
Good, fuck guns there's probably going to be other options calm down nigga just remember the Soldier and understand there's probably a fuckton of options for "make gun really good"

>>53466257
Gun should ALREADY be good, anon.

Do you think there's a single namehunter anon or do you think Broodie, DHB and Vult all have separate people hunting them?

>>53466262
But 1d10 is already meaningful damage when you consider that a mace, a good hit from which is about as deadly than three shots from an assault rifle, does only 1d8.

>>53466262
Why? in a world of hi-tech space armor, why should the laser weapon hit harder against space armor any better than a crossbow against mundane armor?

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>Guns are shit
>But no guns are good at range
>but there will be no range because the furthest you'll ever be from an enemy is 50 feet
>But that's fine because guns do a lot of damage
>Yeah like 1d6 for a pistol and 1d8 for a rifle, no bonuses
>Because who needs bonuses when you've got RANGE that don't MATTER
>Melee needs to be strong though because you're getting close to an enemy that was close already
>But this is negated by Kinetic AC which is probably always going to be low because everyone has the wild idea of using high EAC because RANGE IS KING, EVEN THOUGH RANGE IS NEVER IN THE BUILDING
>No shut up anon you're being ridiculous, everyone will be using guns!

aaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>53466274
He wants 1d10+X damage modifiers right at level one instead of waiting to upgrade at higher levels.

>>53466263
Multiple, the Broodie witch-hunter references discord dick suckers, DHB one is different, so are the vult haters.

>>53466280
The advancement of modern weapony has shown that it's easier to advance the offense than the defense.

HAET LASER.

MORE DAKKA.

>>53466245
It more sounds like you've never read Rinka.

Not sure what your problem is

>>53466299
Yes, but also keep in mind game balance. Should we really have plasma rifles do 2d6+X damage against level one characters with ~13 HP? Do we really need fucking rocket tag RIGHT AT FUCKING LEVEL ONE?

>>53466295
Doesn't make sense, why should a gun do more damage because you get faster?
>b-because I hit right places
That's your attack roll.

>>53466291
You're being ridiculous because at close range you shouldn't be using a fucking gun.

>>53466280
Oh, you're right, anon! You're so right! This is why we employ men with grenades against composite-armored tanks, or order men to drop their guns and use their knives in close-quarters room-clearing operations because they'll have shields or armor?

>>53466325
A greatsword is actually remarkably effective against modern armor, which functions much like padded armor against bladed weapons or conventional melee.

>>53466323
Magic. Weapon. Upgrades. +1 laser rifles will be a thing in starfinder you know.

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>>53466323
EVERY GOSH HECKIN' ENCOUNTER IN STARFINDER IS GOING TO BE CLOSE RANGE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND IF THEY DON'T START CLOSE THEY'LL GET CLOSE BEFORE DAMAGE ACTUALLY BECOMES MEANINGFUL.

ALL THIS PRAISE ABOUT HIGH DICE NUMBERS GETTING ROLLED AROUND WAS JUST THAT, FUCKING BULLSHIT. PAIZO LIED.

>>53466223
Except that's wrong.

This is the initial damage a weapon would do, BEFORE things like armor and whatnot.

That'd only make sense if people of the future were just innately resistant to lasers for some reason. No hitech armor, just more resistant as a baseline.

>>53466325
>This is why we employ men with grenades against composite-armored tanks
No, we call in the artillery aka mages casting Maximized Fireball and Cloudkill. You want magic supremacy again? Artillery is certainly going to be lord of the battlefield.

>>53466342
>before things like armor
Armor isn't DR in paizofinder.

>>53466341
>Broodie's gun rules for WWW make guns more viable than Starfinder's space fantasy

Simply epic.

>>53466322
Woah man

I'm not even planning to play Starfinder

If I ever play a sci-fi game let's be honest, if I ever DM a sci-fi game... it's going to be ship to ship not man to man.

>>53466342
>That'd only make sense if people of the future were just innately resistant to lasers for some reason. No hitech armor, just more resistant as a baseline.

Fair point. Still, we need game balance, lest we get rocket tag at level one. >>53466322

>>53466078
>16 16 13 8 10 10
>15 PB
FUCKING STOP IT PAIZO NOBODY FUCKING USES 15 PB

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>>53466352

>Vesk has RP 4 HP 13
>It would take three good shots to take her down, probably 5 if we're using a 1d8 laser rifle
>Compared to one good swing with her hammer
>Speed is unaffected by heavy armor, so 30 feet movement and can charge
>mfw melee is better than ranged even at range

AAAAAAA

AAAAAAA

AAAAAAA

>>53466372
Nah man, this shit's funny

>>53466351
Yeah but you can't say 'oh well in the future people have armor and shit so it'd do less damage' when people in the future WON'T necessarily have armor and shit.

Future People don't come out of the womb clad in fucking power armor.

>>53466376
It might be closer to the 40k games then we think. . .

>>53466372
We don't technically know the vesk racial stats yet. Might still be PB 20... hope anon, hope

>transport Wizard to Starfinder via some Time Leap epic level spell you know it exists somewhere
>he still dominates all the competition via Energy Immunity (Laser) obtained from Wish
>even starships bend before his supreme power of Wall of Force down the main cannon

>>53466396
That's what you think.

>>53466376
We don't even know how the new feats and class abilities will affect ranged combat yet, quit jumping the gun.

>>53466370
Wasn't there something about Stamina?

Like, people having a recharging buffer of extra hp? Is that what SP is? If so, you'd need 21 points of damage to down her, not 13

>>53466416
>quit jumping the gun

kek

>>53466411
Lasers do fire damage you dingus.

>>53466416
>We don't even know how the new feats and class abilities will affect ranged combat yet

What the heck does this even MEAN? You need to have high-level abilities to make a ubiquitous space opera weapon viable?

>In this Space Opera, if you have thirty-seven feats and four book abilities, your laser rifle will do as much damage as this crowbar!

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>finally getting my Reign of Winter game back up after two weeks absence.
>one of my players gets a greatax crit on an enemy
>overkills them so hard they go from 10 to -25 hp in one swing.

aaaaaaaa

>>53466398
Please be 15pb, I don't want to see racial modifiers this bad if it's 20.

>>53466438
That's fucking retarded but even better, he's probably already fucking immune to that shit.

>>53466425
Another point there - penetrating may ignore stamina, while analog(aka old shit) has to get through stamina first.

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GUNS SUCK

GUNS SUCK

GUNS SUCK

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>>53466447
>Extremes of light doing fire damage is retarded

What else would they do?

>>53466372

> Community insists on playing at a power level well above the published defaults
> Published defaults seem underpowered to the community

Well golly gee what a surprise.

> But the game is literally impossible to play otherwise!

Right. It's not power creep, it's a mechanical requirement for fun. Gotcha.

>>53466467
>What else would they do?

Penetrating?

Oh wait! Fire damage is the most easily resisted damage in the game! Look guys, laser weapons really ARE useless in Starfinder!

>>53466440
>You need to have high-level abilities to make a ubiquitous space opera weapon viable?
Or feats. Or weapon upgrades. How much damage do you do comparably with a bow at level one?

>>53466477
Show me your 15pb monk build.

>>53466467
Piercing and crushing most likely, a little extra fire. Military lasers don't work by burning through things.

>>53466477
Give me a 15 PB Fighter Build that is fun to play and won't be completely blasted out of the water EVEN IN COMBAT by the Cleric

>>53466477
Fucking this, you all are spoiled fucking children. Go play min-maxed conjuration (teleportation) wizard somewhere else you fucking autists.

>>53466494
>Lasers doing piercing and crushing damage
>CRUSHING

Uh.

What.

>>53466505
but 15pb makes the conjuration wizard stronger, not weaker

Why does paizo's point bought iconics matter?
Even PFS goes above that and it won't effect our games.

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>>53466477
>>53466505

>>53466494

>fun to play
>I need HUGE STATS for FUN

Heard it all before.

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BURN THE GAME DOWN

>>53466506
Force from the impact,.

>>53466505
>>53466524
The Conjuration Wizard gets STRONGER as pointbuy goes down because a caster needs is his primary casting stat.

>>53466494
What do you mean fun to play? Fun is fucking subjective. There is no god damn fun stat! What is fun for you can be shit for someone else.

My BBEG was once a renowned hero and admired by the entire world. When a tragedy struck his world and annihilated it even he was powerless to stop it, but he somehow survived.
He dimension hopped to another timeline and the same thing happened, though he had been working for centuries to prevent it, that failed as well. He sought knowledge, more power. He tried again and failed, and again until he finally went mad. His power backfired upon him, changing his form into a more grotesque illithid-like creature. Now he is obsessed with knowledge and came into the party's current dimension a thousand years ago.

And the gods are afraid of him.

>>53466529
and because his summoned creatures are that much stronger than the enemies

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>>53466485
>Or feats. Or weapon upgrades. How much damage do you do comparably with a bow at level one?

YOU ARE LITERALLY SAYING THE LASER RIFLE IS JUST A REFLUFFED BOW. OH MY GOD.

>>53466545
What the fuck is it if it isn't a fucking refluffed crossbow? Guns are literally crossbows but better.

>>53466545
Is it not? Is this not just space pathfinder with a few new toys?

>>53466545
its actually worse than a bow

>>53466529
>Impact of lasers

Okay so I get that photons do actually impart kinetic force but it's turbo miniscule.

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what's the main difference between Pathfinder and D&D? I started playing Pathfinder like a week ago and when I ask my friends they only said that is a easier version of D&D
is that true?

>>53466555
>Guns are literally crossbows but better.

NOT EVEN BETTER, THEY'RE STILL OBJECTIVELY WORSE FROM START TO FINISH COMPARED TO MELEE WEAPONS AND MAGIC. MAPS AND ENCOUNTERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE OVER FOOTBALL FIELDS, ANYONE WITH A GUN WILL BE CONSTANTLY HIT BY BETTER MEN WITH STICKS.

OH MY GOD

I'M SO
FUCKING
ANGRY

>>53466573
Assuming you mean D&D 5e, D&D is an easier entry point for most newbies to get into TTRPGs unless you have someone to guide you through pathfinder. Pathfinder is more complicated, but has WAY more options.

>>53466557
Oh gee Bill I bet futuristic space bows in Starfinder are going to do 2d6 damage with all sorts of fun riders!

Because Paizo's going to say they're weaker than guns for reasons and they need to be buffed!

>>53466579
Why? Not bait, I'm genuinely curious why you're so angry about the stats of guns at level one? Melee weapons are better than ranged options damage wise at level one in pathfinder, but they get better.

>>53466569
Talking mainly about your flesh vaporizing and exploding on you. Honestly lasers don't do much damage period, that's the thing.

>>53466579
>>53466597
Good, kill yourself.

>>53466573
Presumably you're talking about 5e? PF is actually a little harder to play (because it has more options), it's a spinoff based off an earlier edition of D&D called 3.5e. Also casters will eat you alive here so if you're a fan of that welcome I guess.

>>53466573
Pathfinder has a lot of fixed shit. People will say otherwise and point at the unfixed shit, but at the end of the day, Use Rope did not need to be its own fucking skill. Spot and Listen did not need to be different skills. Pathfinder also has less stupidly egregious shit. Most of it's just normally egregious or egregiously bad.

>>53466625
I didn't mind Spot and Listen for monsters, they were just annoying as shit for players.

>>53466613
Because it looks and feels like guns are going to be the retarded butt-monkey cousin of melee for the entire goddamn game! Nothing suggests they're going to get better or outpace melee!

I WANT TO BE A SHOOT-MAN.

>>53466573
Do you want to become a living god? Play a full caster in Pathfinder. Anything else is apparently pointless unless you can buttfuck gods.

Do you want to be reliably strong/useful with any class, barring certain options? Play anything in D&D 5e.

Now run from this place Simba, and never return.

>>53466644
You can just do 'penalty to visual/audio perception'

>>53466659
Stop spouting memes

>>53466613
Then choose the sharpshooter class ability for the soldier class and spec in ranged attacks. Simple.

>>53466573
Pathfinder is a low quality buffet. The food is all kinda shit but it's the only place in town where you can make a chow mein and mutton burrito.

D&D 5e is tofu and white rice. It's nutritionally good, won't give you cancer like PF but it's also much more bland and flavorless.

>>53466671
Yeah but I mean it was always cool to have seperate spot and listen
It's not so much it being a seperate skill that was bad for me, it was that you only got so many skill points and they didn't cost half a point each or something

>>53466674
What does the Sharpshooter class ability even DO?

>>53466649
sorry, meant for this.

>>53466649
>>53466674

>>53466680
Don't forget missing a bunch of ingredients, especially if you include 3pp in Pathfinder's buffet.

>>53466075
Hello? Anyone gonna help, or is this just a new content bitchfest thread?

>>53466690
We don't know yet, but assuming from the name it will be something to do with ranged combat. We haven't seen everything yet, and the fact that people are sperging out that guns are going to be bad based off a melee speced character sheet is just really cringy...

>>53466730
Are you gonna ask a fucking question?

>>53466691
>>53466703

See >>53466690

What if the Sharpshooter class ability is something like, "take a full-round to line up a shot for DOUBLE DAMAGE!" And again, speccing into ranged weapons is taking 26 feats to become okay at killing things with range, which a melee can do with 2.

>>53466730
SHUT UP, WE"RE TALKING ABOUT SPACE GUNS NOW!!!

>>53466616
>>53466625
so the current edition of D&D is easier tham PF?, who would have thought.
>>53466659
I'm a good ol' paladin and is fun
now I undertand why my friends like to be caster[/spoilers]

>>53466298
Who hunts the other PLDs? Vult hunters or some other faction?

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR I'M SO FUCKING MAD ABOUT FUCKING PIDDLY PEW-PEWS, WHY IS PAIZO MAKING MY PEW-PEWS SO WEAK AND FLIMSY

>>53466075
If it's a "hyper lethal" game then just go divination spec. The initiative is the most important part of anything hyper lethal and never getting surprised is also GOD LIKE.

>>53466753
Easier barrier of entry/learning curve if you are exploring on your own.

>>53466761
Probably vult hunters

>Paizo
>Hey guys we're going to be using big numbers for Starfinder, big numbers big DAMAGE
>A heavy weapon, a HEAVY ASSAULT WEAPON, does 1d10 damage
>Melee beat-stick does 1d12+4

No but see this is okay because you need to move 20 feet to use that beat-stick against 80% of the encounters in the game, which means it's balanced!

>>53466763
GRRR, THEY MADE GUNS SO BAD ON A MELEE SPEC'D CHARACTER.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Oh it's Rory that's bitching about guns

>>53466790
SHE ISN'T MELEE SPEC'D, SHE'S QUALITY.

EQUALITY IN STARFINDER IS MELEE >>>> GUNS.

>>53466212
>People actually thought Starfinder would be good
This is the funniest part.

I would like to request that whomever sets up the next thread make this comment's pic >>53466078 the OP pic and make the topic "Nerds rage about laser damage. Discuss." Please.

>>53466274
A mace does not deal 1d8 damage, it deals 1d8 + Str damage.

>>53466896

STOP LAUGHING. THIS ISN'T FUNNY.

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*casts wish*

>>53466896
Make it /pgg/ too.

>>53466897

>1d8 + Str damage.

1d8 + Str x 1.5 damage, if we're saying it's two-handed like a rifle is two-handed.

>>53466930
no

/pfg/ - Paizofinder general

>>53466938
Works for me, as long as it isn't Pathfinder general anymore.

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>Mfw statted up aome modern guns for PF a while back and now the official laser cannon stats are worse than some pistols that I made

>>53466674
Why in everliving fuck should guns require CLASS FEATURES to catch up to default melee that everyone does? You make classless mooks prefer melee by doing that.

It should be the *complete opposite*. Melee characters are the ones who need special abilities and special training to be good in the world of sci-fi weaponry.

>>53466957
The mighty repeater laser cannon! Only does 1d10 damage.

IMPRESSIVE, SURELY SINKING THE CLASS LEVEL INTO SOLDIER WAS WORTH IT.

I'm sure guns and Starfinder will both be shit but, WHY THE FUCK ARE WE JUDGING THIS STUFF BEFORE WE UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM AAAAAA

>>53466972
Because Starfinder is LITERALLY a reskin of Pathfinder that Paizo was too lazy to rework.

Blasters suck in the future.

>>53466982
because the 'systems' look to be 'literally pathfinder'

>>53466957
God dammit, I was sure they had learned their lesson from ranged in PF and firearms.

How do they fuck this up twice? How do guns even exist in a universe where they are so greatly outclassed by melee and the fact that you can't kill anyone with them reliably?

Well time to wait patiently for Dex-damage gun options or god forbid Composite Laser Cannons.

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>First the level 12 zombie campaign was a bamboozle
>Now guns in Starfinder suck, ruining 80% of the concepts I had in mind

I didn't think it would end like this. Not like this.

>>53466915
Are you kidding? Shit like this is half the reason I come here. This is the most heated I've seen /pathfinder general/ get when not arguing about alignment, and it's about a sneak peak of a feature of the game that hasn't yet been fleshed out.

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All this is some of the most knee-jerk reactionary bullshit I've ever seen, and I lurk /pol/ for Christ sake.

>>53467028
>How do guns even exist in a universe where they are so greatly outclassed by melee and the fact that you can't kill anyone with them reliably?

No see it's okay because guns are good at range, melee has to be in melee. Except you're always going to be in melee range because imagine Paizo designing an encounter where the enemy was 120 feet away.

>>53467036
I gotta agree, it's pretty funny
I too lurk in pol for the reactions