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Marines getting too big to squash, edition.

>Previous thread
>>53454291

>Warhammer 40k 8th Edition: "Leak" Compilation
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2017/04/26/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-leak-compilation/

>Your daily duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LrhWl3FTrg [Embed]

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
https://mega.nz/#F!z4wmmJyR!jTfwLczhdFjV0q6nowtGag!qgZhmAhK

>40k rules reference in wiki format:
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Latest GW teases:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Latest GW FAQs:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>8th edition FAQ:
https://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/New-Edition-of-40K-FAQ.pdf
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>>53457088
First for the plague god1
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Any idea what gauss weapons will do in 8th?
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Slanny is bae
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>>53457111
MORTAL WOUNDS
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With the Aquillon and Valdor about to come to light, does Custodes have any good shit left ?
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>>53457088

>Leave xenosfags to me
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>>53457117
Why do Noise Marines look like burn victims?
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-fest-live-blog/

Shiny new things.
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>>53457132
because their mixtapes are fire
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>>53457130
He looks like he's tossed me out of a pub or two.
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>>53457111
My personal guess is 2 Damage or Mortal Wounds on 6s.
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Rumors are that Lion and Sanguinius are getting resurrected next, is there any basis for this?
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>>53457127
I didnt think of that!!

The age of biologicals is over. The Reign of Skellymandius shall return in the form of bucket-o-mortalwounds.
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>>53457147
....Fuck
I'll give you a (You) for that
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>>53457147
kek
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Kinda disappointed with the most recent leaks.
I was really hoping that the new detachments would be more restrictive than "Lol, just take whatever"
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>>53457180
Don't get your hopes up, MWs are rare
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>>53457088

Part 4 of Helsreach animated novel is out

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXXE_2mGiuc
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>>53457178
There is rumour flying around about the fight of Horus and the Emperor is going to get reconned, and Lion never actually die but sleeping.
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>play 1 game
>roll like shit and get tabled by eldar
>have to wait until next week to get another game
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>>53457178
I'm sceptical after the most recent fluff leak. Sanginus returning seemed like a good "darkest hour" think for blod angels.

Instead Rowboat and a demon show up and fix everything.
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>>53457088
I've been away for some time, and what's this recent news about the Bangles?
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>>53457147
I scared the fuck outta this poodle I'm dog sitting from that hearty laugh, have an anime as your reward
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-genestealer-cults/

>you can ram them with the Drilldozer

https://youtu.be/AwIY4PRIp4s

so when they going to release the ass-blaster?
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>>53457224
I meant he's sleeping so can't exactly call that a resurrected.
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>>53457202

There will be faction specific detachments. These one are the equivalent of the Combined Arms Detachment in 7th (which was pretty bland too)
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>>53457229
Pretty much same thing that happened with Wrath of Magnus, and Russ never showed up for that. Is anyone really surprised?
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>>53457207
Well considering every weapon is getting the equivalent to the Guass rule, I assume we crons are going to get something powerful to maintain our gap
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>>53457211
The zog is this?
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>>53457251
>There will be faction specific detachments.
They have said otherwise in the Live Q&As
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>Index: Xenos
Why did I expect anything else
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>>53457238
Girly man single handedly beat the Tyranid incursion on Baal and made Dante swear fealty to him as their spiritual liege.

NPC race got BTFO.
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>>53457260
I don't know what Primarch's definitions of " Darkest Hour " anymore.
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>>53457088
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-genestealer-cults/
>One of my favourite aspects of the Genestealer Cults, though, is their ability to form their army using both their own faction, Tyranids and Astra Militarum, too.

So it sounds like Russes and Sentinels are out of faction now for Genestealers.

Kind of excited about tyranid allies though. I want to ally in a Tervigon, or two.

I've been thinking about doing a conversion with something like pic related in the back of flat bed truck as a "broodmother"/counts as Tervigon.
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>>53457296
N P C R A C E S
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>>53457296

REALLY not surprising man. They only ever did rules for: orks, Eldar and crons to my knowledge.

Compared to the rest of the stuff they have done, 1 full book is as much as I expected.
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>>53457130
>Guardsman, give that boltgun back to the new recruit, and stop bullying him!
cute bullied prime-marine is best marine
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>>53457306
Fug forgot pic.
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>>53457319

So much nope.
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>>53457211


can't wait to see the fucker reaching the titan girl and the speech part, GeeDubs needs to hire this guy to make Animated 40k novels, along with the Inquisitor dude

>>53457280

The tale of Grimaldus and his badassery, now animated
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>>53457319
You could have left it forgotten, and no one wants to play vs your magical realm
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>>53457302
One where they would actually lose in the end instead of getting bailed out by plot armour
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>>53457240
I'd honestly be alright with that. Or maybe Ka'bandha isn't Sanguinus, but offers some sort of Faustian bargain to get him back.
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>>53457301
Please tell me you're joking.
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>>53457319
>>53457306
MAGICAL REALM
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>>53457283

Wait, really? I missed that. Is there a source?
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>>53457319
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>>53457346
I literally told you the source in the post
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>>53457343
He is. Sortof.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2060
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>>53457330
>>53457338
I think it's horrifying too, that's why I want to do it.

Maybe pic related with more Tyranid bits.
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Just for this, i'll gladly let FW cut my throat and take my money.
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>>53457343
Nids destroyed in a footnote.
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>>53457306
Geedubs trying to get us Guard players to try and buy in to GSC.

I will not be tempted.
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>>53457372
Oh. O-oh my.
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>>53457344
>>53457351
>>53457354
>Dare you enter?

If people think it's magical realm-y I might not. I'm alright with gross body horror, but I don't want anyone to think i like it sexually.
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>>53457359
I knew I'd miss a lot of things by staying away from /tg/ for months, but I was an idiot to think that things wouldn't get worse.
>>53457380
Well ain't that something.
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>>53457317
Tau too.
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>>53457393
>>53457398
It's too late. It's gone full circle.
Now I want to do it out of spite.

I've got some of the bits already I might start tonight.
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>>53457411
And Tyranids

IE literally every xenos race
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anyone who plays 5th ed can offer me advice about this list?

HQ
Typhus (225)

Troops [3]

10 chaos space marines, Mark of chaos undivided. (260)
x1 aspiring champion: power weapon, melta bombs
x8 Chaos space marines: ccc, bolt pistol
x1 Chaos space marine: plasma pistol
x1 Rhino: havoc launcher

10 Chaos space marines, Mark of slaneesh (265)
1x aspiring champion, power weapon, bolt pistol, meltabombs
2x Chaos space marines: flamers
7x chaos space marines: ccc bolt pistol
x1 rhino: havoc launcher


8x Plague marines (249)
1x Plague champion, ccc bolt pistol
7x Plague marines, ccc bolt pistol
x1 rhino, havoc launcher
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>>53457415
You better keep us posted, anon.
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>>53457390
I was half tempted to make a "counts as" GSC army before they even had an army book.

Penal Legion were pretty good as "mini-genestealers" if you got the right random roll.
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What's the best way to find local players lads? I want to start a playgroup for 8th edition. Getting my chaos marines sorted at the moment.

Would any of you fine gentlemen have some tips on making dryads into demonettes? Hate the new models, have some of the old metal skinny ones and want some more for a unit. Have dryads laying around and considering having them as a "war form" of the demonettes
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>>53457317
Every xenos faction got tonnes of rules. Tau got two new named characters, seven or eight new suits, all sorts of gun variants, kroot variants, superheavies, gue'vesa, drone variants, and more, just as an example.
Orks and eldar got the most, with entire new army lists fully fleshed out. The ork dred mob list had next to no units in common with codex orks. Unless this is rulebook thickness I consider it unlikely xenos will get half of their current stuff translated.
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>>53457419
No one plays 5th
why would you keep asking here?
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So bad head aside what do you think the Blood Raven Chapter benefits will be in 8th?
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>>53457427
no local games workshop stores in your city? Tabletop games clubs?
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>>53457419
Fuck off cunt, were talking about a good edition here
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>>53457419
Of all the editions you pick 5th, the most mediocre? It's just enough far back from 7th but still full of bloat and bad changes from 3rd and 4th as to be the least likely to find supported by any group
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>>53457438
because last time nobody answered

and I'm going to keep asking until someone does answer
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>>53457439
Chapter master Angelos (jump infantry), causes fear (even daemons tremble before his hideous face).
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>>53457453
then why the fuck everyone besides this general says its a great edition and the most balanced

no, serious question, you fucking explain that to me
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>>53457439
I hope they give him a leap just to fuck with the DoW 3 haters.
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Fucking goooorgeous.
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>>53457455
You'll get bored before they do. A new edition is about to drop, and 5th was over a decade ago.

why wont you play 8/7th anyway?
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>>53457439
Can take units from any imperium army. The unit gains the faction keyword <Blood Ravens>. Must be painted red.

These gsc rules have got me so fucking hyped for looted wagons
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>>53457420
I've already got a plastic nursemaid, from Kingdom Death, I think I've got a truck from the Mar Attacks kickstarter. I think I'm going to see if it fits in back, or if I've got to do some conversions to make the bed bigger.

I was thinking about getting Tervigon bits for a womb, but it doesn't look like it'll fit the Nursemaid model. Time to see how my greenstuff skills are.
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>>53457441
There are multiple groups 30 minutes in each direction but it's a shit load of hassle to get into town at rush hour to get a game. Thought I'd try and set up a local playgroup since I live in an area with lots of villages and village halls we could use. I just need to meet people willing.
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>>53457464
Probably because they're newfags who started with 5th and don't remember the better ones that came before
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>>53457439
Blood Raven shoulder pads and transfer sheets when?
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>>53457380
DAEMONS WIN
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W
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>people actually thought ka'bandha got squatted in favour of nids
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>>53457464
Because they are wrong?
wait if we are the ONLY ones who DONT say 5th is king, why do you come here?
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>>53457467
>Top knots
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>Be Tyranid player
>Walk into LGS and set up for a game
>Everybody turns to look at me
>Ignore them but hear a quite murmuring
>It builds as I place my models on the table, I hear it now
>NPC
>NPC
>NPC
>I make a run for it but my fat folds slow me down
>Someone grabs me by my cape and my fedora falls from my head
>A guy says "This NPC has shitty AI." as my shirt is ripped off.
>NPC NPC NPC
>They beat me with measuring sticks and make me watch as my opponent arrives
>He pulls out a Guilliman and a Bloodthirster and begins smashing my models to pieces with them
>NPC NPC NPC
>They toss me out of the store and throw the remnants of my models in the garbage but they call my Mom to pick me up
>Overall it was a pretty good day
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Does anyone have that 'leak' picture of a lion's head shoulder that may or may not be the Lion?

I need it for reasons.
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>>53457129
The mega dreadnought thing.
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Valdor

What the fuck where they thinking having that giant rivet on his head, and all those giant cables.
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>>53457496
My sides.
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>>53457476

Set up a gaming club if people around you actually play warhammer. if there are multiple groups in every direction somebody must be near you! Any luck with Facebook or Twitter?
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Anybody have dimensions on the GSC Goliath?
A side by side pic with a chimera would be great.

I looked for one, but my google-fu is weak.
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>>53457519
Saw that, I meant what in the book but FW hasn't release yet.
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>This terminator is so problematic. It lacks diversity and has no female representation
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>>53457496
>trying to force the memes this hard when Tyranid players have already basically agreed to ignore all fluff past 4th edition and are just hype for good rules
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>>53457496
>Someone grabs me by my cape and my fedora falls from my head
What ?
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>>53457535
>Implying GW employee would question their genetically superior overlords
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And Custo Termies with flamers.
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Chaos will get Malice deamons, troops and equipment. mark my words.
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>>53457535
Sisters of Battle in Inquisitor-style Terminator armor when?
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>>53457535
That's why we gave it this vagina cannon.
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>>53457471
Our group was thinking what edition to play and before jumping in the upcoming badnwagon we did research, both on the internet and among people who play regularly

it seems overwhelming how people consider 5th edition the best and most balanced, so we wanted to go with it. Considering how it isn't a lie to say that more moderm editions are not balanced in the slightest (tyranids and orks are the prime example) and that previous to 5th the rules for being able to shoot or not were a mess I'm willing to believe those claims and give 5th a try

>>53457491
because I didn't know most of you would be so anal about it before I came here obviously

>>53457513
are you really fucking comparing yourselves to scientists?
you fucking what?
let me come up with a realistic comparison

>most people who like coffee say cofee made in an italian coffee maker is the best
>bunch of fucking hipsters say starbucks coffee is the greatest

which could be true or not, but your example is a fucking worse fallacy senpai
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>>53457495
You can always just not put them on..
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>>53457513
Technically speaking HIV is the virus, while AIDS is the disease caused by it, so they are different things
For example you'd have an initial period in which you are infected by HIV but you don't have AIDS yet, since the virus takes some time to cause the disease and that's the period in which you can potentially escape the disease if you take the right medications
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>>53457130
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>>53457238
Pretty sure they broke up in the 80s...
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>>53457535
Those legs look weird
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>>53457546
Presumably the sudden arrest in momentum from his cape being grabbed caused the fedora to pitch from his head.
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JUST
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whats going on here?
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>>53457556
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>>53457496
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>>53457645
https://youtu.be/9yHUSkyslMQ
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>>53457645
coffinnaught with actual shoulders? What is this heresy?
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>>53457645
AY YIS
REVENGE OF BOXNAUGHT: WORKING LEGS
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>>53457301
Kinda sounds like Khorne saved the day...>>53457380
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>>53457595
>we are the general experts on the topic of 40k
but you fucking aren't

what makes you say you are the highest professional authority in this niche hobby?
There are forums with people as experienced and as autistic, if not more, than this thread. There are neckbeards I've personally asked who have been playing for a really long time going to the local stores to play like tourneyfags
I have no fucking reason to believe that your opinion is one gram better than that of any other greybeard fatguy from any other place on the internet and no reason to believe it is one gramm worse

quit that retarded attitude, if you are going to be against 5th you better do it explaining why, not by saying "we are fucking scientists"
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>>53457144
These might look great in Emperor's Children colors.
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>>53457676
I'm aware it's from 30k but I like the night lord minis and want to use them for 40k. Any one know what's going on?
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>>53457653
Two traitor marines chatting about destroying the Imperium.
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>>53457653
two heretics walk into a bar
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>>53457645
Daaaaamn.

Inb4 it's tougher than a Leman Russ and Guard are completely sidelined for heavy vehicles.
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>>53457645
He`s horrible
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>>53457679
He's probably against 5th because his army sucked dick during it
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>>53457645
shit, that thing looks really cool!
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>>53457595

But /tg/ isn't an expert on the topic of 40k. /tg/ is actually one of the most consistently piss poor sources for 40k for anything outside rumors.
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>>53457679
>general expert = highest professional authority

Grandma, what wonderful false equivalency you have!
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>>53457645
Ayyy lmao.
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>>53457496
Genuine kek
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>>53457645
Whoever thought knee pads for Dreadnaught was a good idea probably retarded.
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>>53457645
GOLIATH ONLINE
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>>53457380
>Fuck you bugs, don't play with my stuff
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>>53457704
because I don't fucking know if you are wrong or not since you haven't come up with a single fucking argument yet!

>>53457716
you didn't read anything did you?

I could write an entire paragraph about what authority means and how its related to "why you should be believe me just on the basis of me being a scientist" but it would be lost on you
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>>53457473
Can take [s]units[/s] WARGEAR from any imperium OR CHAOS army. Must be painted red.

FTFY

These gsc rules have got me so fucking hyped for looted wagons
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>>53457193
I like the faggot version of that mug better
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Why all new background so stupid? especially last
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>>53457575
>it seems overwhelming how people consider 5th edition the best and most balanced
You fell for rose colored glasses, retard. How many of those people are actually playing 5th today?
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>>53457645
What madness is this?
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>>53457439
Why is FW so shit now? Also I suppose it makes sense since DoW3 was shit and made Angelos an ugly bad proportioned fuck that they make his model as equally shit. Fuck Relic
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Just finished assembling 3 boxes of Guardians, been away from the hobby about 12-13 years. Apart from wanting to kill myself after all that, its good to be back for 8th desu
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>>53457645
Doesn't he look like a mini-imperial knight? That lower part of the torso seems like an head.
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>>53457780
fuck if I know, most likely all of them?

and before you answer "obviously they lied to you and they said 5th is the best while playing another edition" I want you to consider what's more probable and makes more sense
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>>53457296
A book for renegades and a book for their chaos allies.....THANKS FW I LOVE PAYING OVER 20 USD IN SHIPPING:^)
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>>53457645
Let not hastily jump to conclusion now. It must be because bad angle shooting.
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>>53457811

I mean if you really like getting your shit shoved in by Eldar go ahead and play 5th. Granted it isn't much different than any other edition. Also hope you like leaf blower.
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SEND HELP I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOING
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>>53457380
Then got moved somewhere else by a warp anomaly and Guilliman took care of what was left. They weren't destroyed, only pushed somewhere else. Probably wherever the Chaos gods want them most.
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>>53457831
WHY?
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>>53457834
>Pile of alien skulls
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>>53457831

DON'T DO IT ANON YOU'LL REGRET EVERYTHING
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>>53457825
so let me see if I understand correctly

5th is shit because you, the guy who says it, is like a scientist on the matter, and those who disagree with you and praise 5th ed are fucking plebbits tards

>>53457829
god damn, that's the closest thing to a reason for disliking 5th ed anyone has come up with

luckily nobody is going to play eldar, but I though that those were more broken in 6th and 7th ed than in 5th

we have a tau and a necron player, I'm extremely wary of those two though
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>>53457214
Yep! I know that feeling.

I was at an impasse when I had two equally good job opportunities. One was close to home and would save me a ton of money because I could room with friends. The other was an hour north on one of the busiest interstates in the state and would require me to rent an apartment to keep the commute time reasonable. However, that job was less than 15 minutes away from 3 Hobby Stores.

So I could choose one and only play once or twice a month, or the other and play every day but have no money to buy new models...or insurance...

...DAMN MY NEED FOR ECONOMIC SECURITY!
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>>53457831
>no gay sex with hats on, reddit, and "how to take a screenshot?" tabs

apply yourself next time
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2 weeks until release. I'm thinking of putting together/painting 500 points before then. I have some options. What should I do?

A) NIB Marines, 500 points of Ultramarines
B) Sisters of Battle + Avenger Flyer
C) Some Sisters of Battle + Inquisition + Tanith 1st & Only
D) Death Guard

I'm C right now. Opinions? Sick this weekend so plenty of time to get some done.
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>>53457296
>Imperial Guard gets it's own book

It's always good to know that even if GW proper will make us background characters in a book about the fall of our posterboy planet, the good boys at FW will always have our backs!
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>>53457879

Eldar have been broken since 2nd edition. However Jetbike Seerstars are egregious in 5th due being able to separate on turn 6 and turbo-boost objectives. Mech Eldar are also still very good in 5th.

Are you intending on playing with 5th codexes as well or using the current books?
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>>53457909

Death guard! Then post pics.
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>>53457603
Nah. He fits it. This is that.
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>>53457909
Just hold still and wait for the new sisters kits
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>>53457296
>Knights probably in the same book with Imperial Guard.

FUCK YES I DONT HAVE TO BUY SECOND BOOK.
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What heads should I use if I want to run A unit as both Rubrics and as marines in 30k?
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>>53457858
Are you suggesting they were all killed and piled onto a moon? I'm not entirely sure what happened, I just read they were sent somewhere in a mysterious warp
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>>53457841
>>53457861
>>53457872
>>53457891

IMMA STICK HOWLIN (peter) GRIFFONS ON EM AND CALL EM THUNDERWOLVES
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>finish Master of Mankind
>unironically believed it was going to incorporate the Siege of Terra.
>now I find out that the series is not even close to finished

Well what the fuck do I read now?
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>>53457645
>boxy-naught instead of some shitty Contemptor variant
OH THANK FUCK
Now I know I'm getting one
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>>53457939
It literally says right there they were stacked on the moon, I don't understand how you're coming to any other conclusion
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>>53457858
Mostly of hive fleet are in form of bio-mass. They haven`t SKULLS. He killed only tyranids on planet/
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>>53457922
>This is what I use to pleasure my wife when Tyrone has finished using her
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>>53457736
>Protecting the most vulnerable part of a robotic leg
>Probably Retarded

Well they are using legs to begin with instead of stable, reliable treads. But otherwise if your gunna use legs you might as well armor them properly.
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>>53457958
A clue was found as to what happened to them, a tall symbol of khorne. I don't think all the dead of a hive fleet can even fit on a moon my dude
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>>53457958
Hive Ships don't have skulls and make up most of the Hive Fleets biomass. It sounds like Ka'banda just killed the creatures that were on the moon.
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>>53457978
And what exactly is wrong with the Horus Heresy?

Does any other book series even come close to the scale and intensity of civil war unleashed by the Emperors chosen son?
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>>53457929
I own 100+ sisters and vehicles, I'm just talking painting really. Just to have a day-1 play-new-rules army at 500 points.
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>>53457899
>No, 5e is shit because I think so
you could have said so right from the start
>"I'm my opinion 5th ed is shit
well that's it, why did you feel you had to start with baseless insulting?

>>53457915
for now we are using 5th ed codexes. From what I know the codex themselves might be the better part of 5th ed (for example cult units not being completely outclassed or point inefficient) and thus we might consider switching to other ruleset with the 5th ed codexes or vice versa, after some plays

I must say, most of the disdain from the most recent edition comes from our disdain for moderm GW and its declared intention of not giving a shit about the game and just being miniature sellers
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGyR5n_3kIg
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>Gulliman Arrives to save the Blood Angels

Dante: Oh thank the Emperor! You've saved our world and driven off the xenos menace! Now we can fin-
...Wait, Gulliman. If you're here, whose leading the imperium?

>*High Lord Bickering and General Stupidity Intensifies*
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WWW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO RICK?
https://youtu.be/E415aFoSDcY
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>>53458017
>Plasma Cannon of some sort
>Dread Power Fist with Assault Cannon
>Two Twin Linked Bolters
>Missile launcher
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>>53458017
> Those legs.
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>>53458008
Except 5th ed was the start of modern GW

Rogue Trader -> 2nd -> 3rd was Rick Priestley/Andy Chambers Golden Age

4th was a transitional period that was still full of good people and business practices

5th was the beginning of the great Corporate Takeover, Kirby-era sterilization, the website being culled of everything good and flavourful and turned into a soulless jewish sales platform.

6th and the first half of 7th were continuations of the above with increasingly bad rules and fluff.

2nd half of 7th was the start of Rountree era, a lot of messy shit as the designer's tried new things in the new transitional period basically with still no oversight, but we started to see SOME things get better towards the end.

8th is the first true Rountree-era edition.
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>>53458017
>Redemptor
God dammit, This sounds nothing redeem or contempt
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>>53458047
actually looks great tbf
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>>53458068
I know.
I fucking love boxnaughts.
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>>53457513
Nigga /tg/ doesn't really have more or less understanding of the game than I see elsewhere. Do you know how often idiots here get on an argument where neither of them actually understood the rules they were talking about? Then there was the nidspam where they couldn't possibly have anything good because they'd seen other editions and things were bad then.
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>>53458020
Well, it's not like I'm paying for it.

Christ, don't tell me that people actually buy this trash?

I mean, don't get me wrong, some of it's absolutely great, but the fact that you need to shill out for over 40 books where only 2/3's of them are readable, makes the act of spending money on them ludicrous.

Gonna go for the Beast Arises.
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>>53458008

>declared intention of not giving a shit about the game and just being miniature sellers

First I assume you've not paid attention to anything they've said or done for the past 6 months. If this is your decision making criteria then you're off base.

That aside - 5th is a better rule set in that it is more balanced than 6th and 7th for sure, however don't go into with the expectation that everything is good or that some armies aren't shit. It is still an unbalanced rule set that heavily favors transports. Some armies are still garbage (CSM among them). If you want to play it play it but don't think you're getting a good rule set.
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>>53458073
>implying GW doesn't come here :)
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>>53458044
MORTARION YISSSSS
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>>53458073
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-fest-live-blog/
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>>53457645
Finally, a weapon to surpass metal gear
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>>53458017
>We battle-tech now
i do NOT like thoses legs
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>>53457595
>experts
You mean how people constantly argue over rumors when there's confirmed information in one consistent area?
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>>53458068
Agreed, love it.
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>>53458085
in that case, forgive me Duncan for I have sinned.
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>>53458047
Looks better than the current box dreadnought. Not as good as the Contemptor tho.
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>>53458080
well obviously it isn't my decision making criteria

no, I haven't paid attention to them for the last 6 months, care to enlighten me? I'm curious now

what do you consider a good ruleset then
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Slaanesh has tits again.
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>>53458047
That wrist mounted BRRRT
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>Datasheets for all of Forge World’s Warhammer 40,000 Astra Militarum range, including Death Korps of Krieg and Elysian models, and Renegade Imperial Guard forces as well as the immense war machines of the Titan Legions and Knight Houses.

...Renegade Guard in the same book as...

Okay. That worked out nice. Saves me some money. I don't run FW chaos marines, just Renegade Guard. I also have some FW guard pieces.

This also implies that Renegade Guard will have some of the same key faction words as regular guard...

Praise Nurgle.
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>>53458044
Did that motherfucker just call himself " angel " ? How dare he !?
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>>53458134
B-BUT SLAANESH IS GETTING SQUATTED
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>>53457909
The Avenger would give you something to test out the flyer rules. That and I like 40K's A-10 equivalent, here's hoping it's not paper thin this go round.
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New chapters.
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Does anyone know what citadel paints I need to paint my Inquisitorial Stormtroopers their original red and black?
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>not dick nipples
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>>53458140
renegades will share the astra militarum faction, but not imperium
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>>53457359

>Lord Commander Dante called in reinforcements from these chapters... seige on Baal prime... fighting retreats were organized, but it seemed to do nothing... detail detail... writing... detail
>THEN GUILLIMAN CAME AND SAVED THE DAY
>GUILLIMAN EX MACHINA

That's such shit writing. Guilliman did *not* just show up and plough through a hive fleet that a legion-sized BA coalition couldn't handle. If you're going to have him singlehandedly save literally everyone in the galaxy at least tell us how with as much skill as you told us why everyone needed rescuing.
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>>53458047
7/10 would corrupt
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>>53458165
Do you have any sources or details on them?

I own like $2,000 worth of Renegades and I'm terrified of what might happen.

Does this mean I can take Renegade Rough Riders?

>Music related https://youtu.be/onGWF8mz1Zw
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>>53458148
>2017
>Slaaneshi stuff has tits again
>Even with moral outraging busy-bodies, they seem to be very confused at the degenerate hedonistic demons who flash their tits out because strong independent warp entity who don't need no man
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>>53458124

Look at the decision making process for 8th (i.e. involving significant tournament organizers in the process). Ultimately 8th is acknowledging that people play the game for the rules and they are making a concerted effort (that is being met with varying levels of enthusiasm) to make a better balanced game and correct many of the issues with the current edition. Once Tom Kirby and Alan Merrit were ousted the company took a different stance on the importance of the game itself.

And was to what is a good rule set? No 40k rule set ever though 2nd is close. You don't play 40k for a tight competitive game - you play it because you like the background and models and what to have your dudes fight my dudes.

That said your decision to simply disregard 8th out of hand without any knowledge of what's coming (which is plentiful as GW has been providing information on it for the past 2 months now) seems very uninformed.
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>>53458170
6000 ish marines aren't Legion strength.
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get hyped
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>>53458156
>Primaris Hawk Lords

At least they could probably make good use of those new flying marines.
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>>53458179
>DAfag still autismposting
gtfo our threads
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>>53458157
Combine;

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9HzqHVg1uE

with

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjSu0HwM9xU&t
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I really want these for my deathwatch but I dunno if I'll be able to do so.
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>both warhammer fantasy and age of sigmar get a new RPG
>40k gets -nothing-

I am salty.
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>>53458179
It's a new chapter. Obviously because the DAs themselves couldn't be trusted :^)
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>>53458017

>Coming some day, soon

GW isn't even trying anymore are they?
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>>53458134
>>53458148
>>53458175
Looking forward to plastic Noise marines and Fulgrim
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>>53458205
You should be able to.
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Cool enough
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>>53458156
Blurry and hard to see, but I'm not sure any of those are new. You might be the new one here to not recognize Scythes of the Emperor, Praetors of Orpheus, Hawk Lords and so on.
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>>53458205
Deathwatch is still a chapter of the adeptus astartes.
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>>53458205
Maybe. They already said Space Wolves and the like could take them, so if Deathwat h is listed as a chapter
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>>53458047
>>53458184
Anyone else think this kind of looks like the Dragon mech from MWO?
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>>53458202
How so?
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>>53458207
Oh, so you shit up the last thread too?
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Drones seem scary
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>>53458226
Three on left are new.
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>>53458225
>that plasmagun

So the only benefit the Primaris marines have with theirs is an extra point of AP?

I'm glad gets hot is an optional thing to do
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>>53457088
So, question as a,Skitarii player who nabbed some Cult Mech for 8th:

Kataphron Destroyers or Breachers? I know Destroyers are stronger thanks to Grav/Plas, but Breachers just look so much better.

On the magos, Big hat or hood? Macrostubber or Serpentina? And Volkite or Conversion beamer?

This is what I have so far:

10 Skitarii Vanguard/w omnispex, Phosphor blaster, Taser
10 Vanguard/w 3 Plas. Calivere, omnispex, Phosphor blaster, phase taser,
Conversion field, Warlord unit
10x Vanguard/w 3 Arc Rifles, Phosphor blaster, Shock Maul
10x Rangers


2x Dunecrawlers/w cognis claw, Neutron lasers, Cognis stubber
1x Dunecrawler/w Icarus Array/ Cognis Claw
5x Sicarian Infiltrators/w Flechette/Taser load out
1x Dragoon/w Taser and Serpentina

So which configuration would y'all recommend?
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Pox walkers are also cool
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>>53458044
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...ngel
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>>53458239
If you can't work that out yourself, you should probably not waste you mum's money on expensive plastic soldiers and buy a colour-by-numbers book instead.
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>>53458246
And an extra 6"
Though I don't like the inconsistency between the profiles.
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>>53458246
it's 30" range too
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>>53457250
All it would take for him to come back is for some dark watcher to walk up and shake him a little to wake him up.
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>>53458220
damn right
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>>53458214
40k gets the best edition it has ever had.
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>>53458255
We have absolutely no idea. W8 4 8 M8.
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>>53458243
Fast, durable, couple of heavy flamers, solid
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>>53458180
well, our decision was never to disregard 8th edition

our decision was to disregard 7th edition because when we decided we wanted to play 40k 8th hadn't been announced
the thing is we got caught in a lot of university work and ended up postponing it so much that it wasn't until now that we said "yeah, we can try playing 5th ed like we decided more than half a ago"

>your dudes fight my dudes
mostly that is our motivation
but sadly there's other thing, we are a university association and by doing warhammer, which is popular as fuck, we have more chances of getting more people than by doing other tabletop miniature games
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>>53458134
New Keeper of secrets when!?!?!
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>>53458184
That marine on left is giving me all kinds of boners
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Can't wait until we can see the points cost
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>>53458220
>>53458148
>>53458134
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>>53458255
>Big hat or hood
hood, I went big hat and regret it.
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>>53458243
Not bad; it basically has 2 heavy flamers and a 10" move. So move, advance since its assault, and you've got a pretty fast and decent hitting ship.
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>>53458261
More like I have no headphones and I'm currently in a store so I'm not blasting videos like an asshole. No reason to be a dick.
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When I look at the new dread I can's stop thinking about Warhound.
It looks like a dreadnought build around the Warhound's head.
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>>53458289
With gear, around 180 points for that.
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>>53458134
>>53458156
What about hi-res?
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>>53458255

I don't use Kataphrons, so I can't help there, but on the Priest - big hat, helps him stand out, macrostubber is fine, get the Eradication Ray instead of the others. It's awesome.

And your Vanguards have 1 too many special weapons, Skitarii can only have 2 per unit.
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>>53457390
Yase, fuck that. We got Rough Riders, Bullgryn and Sisters of Silence for cuttin up bitches.
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>>53458214
What RPG?
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>>53458243
Oh, they seem a lot better now that I noticed it has two of those plague spitters.

That means it can move 10+D6" and fire 2d6 auto-hitting S6 AP-1 shots re-rolling Wounds of 1 at 9" range.

Or give up the extra D6 movement to charge after shooting, although it doesn't seem amazing in CC.
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>Warscroll builder
nice
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>>53458305
Take it up with GW.
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>>53458047
PRIMARIS DEATHBRINGER DREADWALKER, ARMED WITH FURYFIRE PLASMA VEUGLAIRE™, SIEGEBREAKER SUNDERFIST™ WITH BUILT IN LEADSTORM ASSAULTBLASTER™, TORSO MOUNTED ASSAULT BOLTERS AND CARAPACE AUSPEX GUIDED FLAKBURST™ MISSILESTORM™
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>>53458255

Big Hat 100% - everything else, you just need to hold until 8th. It is one month until the Indexes come out, just wait for awhile.

>>53458279

If you want new players I really suggest waiting until 8th and just playing that. It is very hard to recruit players to older editions of a game because they can't buy stuff for it anymore. Additionally it sucks to see say Skitarri and think "these guys are now my guys" only to be told you can't play with them because they have no 5th edition book.
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>>53458257
>>53458225
>>53458243

I want the starter set now just for the Nurgle stuff.

Why I can't stop myself from getting religious fanatics and cultists. Between BT, GSC, SoB and Inquisition is getting silly.
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>>53457495
Top knots must go on everything.
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>>53458307
>Skitarii can only have 2 per unit.

But this is wrong.
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>>53458326
Redemptor Dreadnought.
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>>53458156
So Fulminators, Blades of Vengeances and Storm Reapers are Ultramarines, Dark Angels and White Scars Jr.
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>>53458307

>And your Vanguards have 1 too many special weapons, Skitarii can only have 2 per unit.

This is wrong, they may have 3 if you take 10 models.
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>>53458243
I'm not sure about the drone yet mostly because of not knowing about point/PL balance. Our Nurgle player will probably be getting one or more to have a fast element in his army.

>>53458289
Dat Plaugereaper
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>>53458331
Yeah I might get the starter box myself actually. Everything looks cool as hell, but I really love my Iron Warriors so I think I'll stick with them.
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>>53458341

Holy Shit

I missed that line

You're right

My life is a lie

How was I that retarded? How did I not read that?
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>>53458257
>Sv 7+
Lul.
That's kinda neat though. Cover or bust. Sets an interesting precedent.
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>>53458279

You do realize they are updating, re-pointing, and re-stating everything for 8th in a month and you are likely to get as closed to a balanced game as possible at that time right?
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>>53458359
nothing wrong with supplementing your warriors with some plague marines
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>>53458330
oh well, you have a point, we'll see how 8th develops

but until it comes out and since we have already made our 1000 points lists we'll have to play some games of 5th ed
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So Whom ever that anon was that wanted a Time Travel story line. There is a time in one of the Rafen books where he meets up with a Blood Angel from the past after being put back into the sarcophagi to heal him and together they overcome their problems.
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>>53458371
I could do an allied detachment I suppose.
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>>53457496
>it doesn't devolve into "OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED, OLD ENOUGH TO BREED"
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>>53458369
>implying all the codexes will be out in a month
>"You'll be able to play in just a month!"
don't
make
me
laugh
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>>53458184
Marines around him are not from Dark Imperium set. There are no helmets like those two whitout groves in there.
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>>53458289
>only armed with a melee weapon
>M4", only Advances D3", no way to re-roll charge distance

Well, that sucks. He'll just get kited forever.
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>>53457645
Where were you when Chadnaughts were introduced?
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>>53458360

Um no. They can have 3. Its always been 3. Don't listen to this Infidel. 3 for the glorious followers of the Ommnisiah.
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>>53457535
>unironically judging people by their appearance

Ooh boy, I'd love to see a picture of you, anon
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>>53458257
My mind is thinking of giving them a Valk and dropping them near the enemy and laugh.
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>>53458395
They're releasing the new updates for every single army all at once in like two weeks. Are you fucking retarded or what?
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>>53458395

Have you not paid attention to the release information at all? Every single current book is being updated and released June 17th in the form of the Indexes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E415aFoSDcY
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>>53458395
>He doesn't know.
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>>53458402
Well he can do no-scatter no-risk new deep strike thing at least,
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>>53458225
>>53457916
>>53457909
..okay so these rules tempt me. Here's what I got, unpainted.

5x Forgeworld Nurgle Terminators
1x box of plague marines
50x zombies I could use for pox walkers, painted
~10 RT/2ed era marines, some of which look pretty nurgly
~20+ regular CSM I could paint up death guardy
~10 mk III missing their left arms (no idea how)

I did buy 10 more nurgle terminators + 20 plague marines...only to have them stolen from my mail box by a junkie who thought a heavy box was valuable. Never did find them. I'm still pissed to this day every time I see my mail box.

Alternatively, if I went the sisters route as per >>53458149

An army of or a mix therein:

1x Immolator with FW doors for prettyness
20x Seraphim
1x Saint
80x bolter bitches
1x Avenger
20x Tanith
10x Inquisitor + retinue + chimera with FW doors
100x unassembled regular cadians
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>>53458257
>7+ save

At first I was like wot, but id makes sense now even with +2 cover they get a 5+ save.
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>>53458402

Transport or Deepstrike?
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>>53458397
Obviously, since the Dread itself is not from the Dark Imperium kit. They're showing him with the actual Intercessor kit multi-pose Marines, not the mono-pose limited release ones that are only in the starter.
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>>53458360
Shh, no more oil-tears brither.

There is only Assault 9 Plasma Shots from BS-7, Move through Cover, Relentless, preferred enemy Skitarii now.
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>>53458427
hol up
you be sayin it is going to come out at the same time
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>>53458331
Cause they're the best.
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>>53458416
That hair is for attention seeking only.
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>>53458436
wtf... explain this
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>>53458426
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>>53458175
They don'T need a man because they have their own penises.
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>>53458427
>2 Imperium indexes
>no mention of SoB as their own army
hehehehe
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>>53458446

Yes you fucking dummy.
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>>53458453
Cover gives bonuses to armour saves.
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>>53458359
Nice thing about chaos warbands, there are plenty of reasons some plague marines might tag along with Iron warriors for a romp through the Imperium.

>>53458402
Ya, you'll likely need to make judicious use of his deepstrike to engage anyone. Like blocking someone with a rhino/zombies then dropping in. Transports might work as well, him and 9 zombies in a rhino. Even if it gets blown up you get to choose who dies so you allocate to the zombies.
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>>53458433
Oh and a shitload of nurgle daemons including the FW GUO
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>>53457666
Woah you are exactly right. I dig how fucking ugly it is
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>>53458238
It does look like Kurita scum
I hope plague-fags get an atlas
that would be great
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>>53458367
>>53458436
Oh shit I missed that.

>inb4 Ork Boyz are 7+ saves


>>53458432
>>53458440
The Deep Strike still leaves him needing to roll a 9 to charge which is less than 30% chance of success, and if he fails he's going to waddle forward the rest of the game while he gets kited.

I guess transports will work.
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>>53458446
>Hey guys, New GW™ here
>We're going to release 8th edition, but for the first period no one will be able to play except Primarines and Nurgle CSM
>I hope that's fine for everybody
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>>53458451
Oh forgot I had some old metal Diaz slaanesh demons too.

Cult of STD! I mean Nurgle, GSC. SoB and Slaanesh
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>>53458465
>2 imperium codexes

No mention of Militarum Tempestus. :(
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>>53458494
>>inb4 Ork Boyz are 7+ saves
They already confirmed it's 6+
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>>53458474
but.. it says save is 7+... how do i roll 7 on 1d6?
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>>53458494

You deep strike him into a cluster that you've already wedged with transports and plague walkers.
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>>53458506
You mean the guys that are in the Astra Militarum Codex and never should have had a separate money-grab book release? Those guys?
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I still ain't fucking buying their minis
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>>53458506
back to astra militarum, where it belongs.
same as skitarii, back to admech, where it belongs.
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>>53458480
>>53458465
Nah only Primaris

If the hard was right Inquisition and Assassin would be squated too.

Personally I just found odd that SoB that have a full army got rolled into IA while SoS and Custodians got Talons. For fuck sake Assassin have more units than those two.
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>>53458513
You get no save unless you're in cover.
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>>53458513

You get +1 for standing in cover presumably. They may also include the old fantasy mechanic of 6/4+ is a 7.
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>>53458513
You don't.
You have to augment your save with cover to get it.
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>>53458487
>Kurita Scum

I wish to protect that smile
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>>53458513
You don't, ever.
You literally can't make a save unless you've improved your Armor by being in cover, or with some other thing, maybe a Psychic power or something.
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>>53458519

Ok?
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so I'm painting up some scions like oldschool kasrkin (pic related; you will see them on here somewhere eventually) and a thought occurs.

By the standards of conversion we have so far, hotshot lasguns will probably be something like AP-2. But what about the hotshot volley gun?

In 7e it's S4AP3 Salvo 2/4 12"/24", a superb marine killer. What'll it be in 8e? Heavy 4?
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>>53458500
>Cult of STD!
Lol My thinking exactly.

I want some fat nurgle bikers with deamonette's riding bitch.
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>>53458513
You don't, that's the point.

They are basically "Sv -" except they'll get a save in cover because cover adds to the save now.

>>53458514
The poxwalkers that are also Mv 4" ?

There's going to have to be some fast and Nurgle stuff to make this work. And Deep Strike doesn't work well anymore since it all needs to be over 9" away, that means if two enemy units are within 18" of each other that whole space between them is a no-go zone.

Holy shit I just realized how fucking USELESS drop pods are going to be now lol
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>>53458528
Jesus that is almost brit tier bad
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>>53458537
No. SoB were in Imperial Agents.
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>>53458289
> 1 mortal wound to each model within 1 inch

Isnt a mortal wound unsaveable? Doesnt this guy just need to deepstrike and win the fucking game?
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>>53458520
Not really. Oh anything they should be Imperial Agents and guard can lose their stuff.
>>53458518
You mean the ones who were originally their own faction that got pulled and then changed into a mediocre copy of another faction?
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>>53458549
Unit, not model.
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>>53458549
To each UNIT within 1"
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>>53458549
teleport strike my dude
also you;d never bee able to deep strike that close to do damage
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>>53458549
It's to each unit on a 4+, not each model.

So basically, if you have three full enemy units within range of this aura, you will deal an average of 1.5 mortal Wounds, which won't even kill a single chadmarine.
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>>53458537
3rd edition call. When 40k became 40k Marines where a single army, while SoB, Inquisition and assassins where separate things.

Then Codex show up and fuck up everything.

DH and WH had assassins and inquisition with their respective militant.

Later we got SoB, Inquisition and GK. Then at the end of 7th everything got thrown together into IA while also keeping their respective books valid.

So IA is at best a compendium.
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>>53458047
I like it. That's what Primaris should be. That's what's Intercessors are, and what this Dreadnought is, upgrades from current stuff, not the weird out of nowhere EVA goofy fucks.
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>>53458549
1 wound on a 4+ against enemies within 1"... game breaking? nope
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>>53458555
>You mean the ones who were originally their own faction that got pulled and then changed into a mediocre copy of another faction?
They were never their own faction you idiot, their previous incarnation was Kasrkin who were just one unit in the Guard Codex.
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>>53458047
Those new dreads are glorious
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>>53458574
Yeah but during 7th they were and still are.

Face it, you've been rolled up.
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>>53458556
>>53458558
Yea this was the same issue i had when i first started i couldn't understand the difference between a model and a unit. Since the word could be used interchangeably in different context.
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Anybody got that imgr link with the rules leak?
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>>53458574
Diff anon
Technically witch hunters was close to that.
I mean they did basically just strip down the codex when they took all of that shit out
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>>53458549
Each UNIT, anon. It's not that nasty Unless you're rolling the million one-man terminator squad build, or something.
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>>53458591
chekku da thureddo.
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>>53458581
Technically speaking Scion are a mix of Kasrkin, grenadier and Inquisitorial Storm Troopers. All of them where under IG, DH or WH
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>>53458541
I'd say rapid fire 2 maybe assault 4 or heavy 4, as long as it can get max shots at 10+ inches it will be nice for deepstriking
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>>53458570

3rd still had SW, DA, and BA as separate books. Also while assassins and such had their own books they also had in effect old ally mechanics built in to let them play in the same army.
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>>53458047
>unpainted models in the background
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>>53458600
Inquisition, Assassins and SoB got AGENTSED

While marines got PRIMARISED
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>>53458575
>not the weird out of nowhere EVA goofy fucks.

I like them too.
Primaris Marines offer an opportunity to break the mould a little.
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>>53458617

Lol - this guy is so clever!
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>>53458603
They were a single unit in each of those Codices. There's no need for them to have a unique fucking Codex, they don't have any models that are not already used by another Faction.
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>>53458156
>Scythes of the Emperor
Good for them I guess, they're lucky Goulding has such a hard on for them.
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>>53458617
Pretty sure they're just grey painted statues.
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godamit i want my ad mech faction focus, like they already basically confirm that there is gonna be one admech army but i still have to wait to see how my augmented soldiers are gonna be
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>>53458134
So Tzeentch's power appear to be:

>S/T/A buff
>Bolt of Change, which turns models into Spawn
>Treason of Tzeentch
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>>53458611
I was talking about 3rd when it first came out. In case mention of the Codex appearance didn't made it clear enough.
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I was positive about Primaris Marines
I was even thinking of starting an army of them, but then I saw the Jump pack infantry and thought they looked retarded, but that's fine because I never used assault marines anyway.
Then this. Dreadnoughts were one of the iconic units of 40k that drew me into the universe and they did this to it.
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>>53458647
also someone give me more dank ad mech images
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>>53458581
>Doesn't know about Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.
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>>53458633
Oh I agree on that.

But SoS and Custodes are getting their own thing when they are just one unit.

GW didn't learn.
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>>53458658
It's just a 1st ed dread, updated.
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>>53458658
They gave him actual legs?
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>>53458658
they're not assault marines, they deepstrike FROM SPACE.. hence the extra support and full suit packs.
Also, the gunshields are there because they;re HEAVY BOLTER pistols

Also; new dread looks fucking awesome and closer to RT/2nd ed Dread rather than the bullshit box dread
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>>53458647
I wish we can use 30k stuff. The Thagmata, Shock troops and Thallax are pretty cool.
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>>53458047
I like it a lot. It's a nice mix between the parts I like about the regular Dreads and the Contemptors.
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>>53458658

Just an uglier leviathan really.

Tall and bulky, two nipple guns, can take either a big gun or a melee with a small gun on each arm, little top mount for missiles that's probably optional.

Exactly a leviathan.
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>>53458667
just one unit? erm.... retard alert
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>>53458689
I like the mantis looking robots
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>Warhammer TV Stream
>Hosts utter 'Magnus did nothing wrong'
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>>53458289
Suddenly those pox walkers are much more terrifying. If they're stuck in with this guy nearby, half the models they're near can suffer terminal existence failure
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>>53458685
>Bullshit box dread
Kill yourself
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>>53458658
It looks better than the actual boxnaught. It's litteraly a Boxnaught with Contemptors legs and 1 more join in the arms.
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>>53458701
Vorax are pretty dope. It looks like 30k is unfortunately staying with 8th edition. Community rules time!
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>>53458658
I don't exaxtly like it at first, now the more I look at it the more it getting into me.
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>>53458673

Ha! I fucking wish! An update of the rogue trader dreads would be fantastic.

>>53458694

This guy is right. It's an ugly leviathan dread.
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>>53458695
SoS and Custodes.

Unless you are counting the LR and Rhinos and the same unit with just special weapons.
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>>53458689
they dont even need to give us the 30k stuff just give us ghetto versions of the 30k stuff and say that its worse because weve lost the original technology
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>>53458687
Nothing asides you being the 6 millionth person to do that. So original! DKoK Wehrmacht!
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>>53458047
>this guy is super tall
>sarcophagus is leaning backwards
>no optics pointing towards the ground
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>>53458720

Did you not pay attention at all today? HH is confirmed to stay with 7th.
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>>53458707
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>>53458611
Assassins and Inquisition where lumped together even when best edition was created.

So my bad regarding I and A being separated stuff.
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>>53458179
the same way Alp- I mean, Sons of Orar are getting Primaris.
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>>53458753
Best edition is too cool for this thread it seems.
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>>53458658
>keep the Iconic side pannals and coffin eye slit.
>make arms and legs less derpy
>fuck up by adding a nose
It's not that bad. Better than floaty gunshield dakka marines

I want to see it from a high angle rather than a low one. Like how the fuck often will I be crouching down to look at this fucker?
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>>53458707
>your Primarach will never be as right as Magnus

How can lesser Legions even compete?
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>>53458815
is that 8th? whats the source?
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>>53458225
now gimme stat for hellbrutes- got bunch of them for cheap and murderpack was fun
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>>53458409

I was the person who said 2, responding to the person who pointed out I am functionally illiterate and far too stupid for this game
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I have a huge throbbing erection for that new Dread

Colour me fucking excited for 8th
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>>53458427
SoB finally tossed in the trash?

How will the 4 sisterfags on earth ever recover
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>>53458832
Being this new.
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>>53458739
>Backwards
Fairly sure it's the PoV that gives that effect.
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>>53458658
I actually kinda dig it; It's got this whole GOLIATH ONLINE thing going on with the nose guns, and it actually looks like it can walk in a straight line, compared to the weird locamotion of the regular box-nought.

This is coming from a guy who has one of almost every dreadnought as well.
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>>53458832
newfags pls go
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>>53458864
By getting Primaris marines and watching marinelets getting squated.
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>>53458658
It honestly looks like it and the primas marines are 80s era shit with modern sculpts.

Pretty swank in my book.
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>>53458864
They're in the agent of the Imperium section you dumb fuck. Jesus christ shut the fuck up and read the threads once in a while.
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>>53458834
I wish, all we have is the starter box for now.

>>53458864
>Third party sculpts
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>>53458864
t. retard
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>>53458911
If anyone unironically tried to put those on the table across from me I would start laughing and not stop until they packed their models back up and left
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Average 40k players
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>>53458930
just noticed the kid's legs got green screened out, fucking funnier now
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>>53458911
Such great fucking sculpts if it weren't for those heels.

The earlier concept art didn't have them. I was sooo pissed at the reveal.
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>>53458897
>>53458918

>T-they are t-totally in the book g-guise
>d-daddy GW wouldn't neglect u-us again, he loves us really!

And there we go, four (You)'s from the four battered wives that play the worst army. Stay mad.
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>>53458943

>the average 'HERESY... BLAM' post
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>>53458930
soon-to-be- flying-cherub/servoskull
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>>53458945
(you)

You think Scions and Skitarii are gone too?
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>>53458945
>And there we go, four (You)'s from the four battered wives that play the worst army. Stay mad.
I won't lie, I laughed.
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>>53458930
I see a dad and his son having fun anon. I was the happiest kid on Earth when my parents took me to a Gamesday. Hell, my dad used to do miniatures a long time ago, he was a kid again with me.

Wouldn't you want to be one of the two here?
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>>53458961
Nah.
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>>53458945
>(You)
We've still got the boxed game with sisters in coming out Q4
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>>53458730
you silly 40k noob
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>>53458945
Lol Can't tell if you're upset that sisters are still a thing or just a shitty troll.

They aren't getting new models for another decade, but they're still going to have rules.
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>>53458945
He doesn't know about the Sister game coming out this year.

Oh wow!
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>>53458977
>fairly decent 3rd party sculpts
I'm impressed
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>>53458980
>>53458997
Say again? SoS are getting a boxed game? Was it announced today?
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>>53458980
>>53458997
Source this
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>>53458815
Agreed! Still play only 2e/3e to this day.
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>>53458998
To be fair almost any third party has better resin models than GW and FW.

At least resin quality wise. Models still suck most of the time
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>>53459010
SoB*
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>>53458667
They are models that don't belong to any existing Faction, and their recent box releases are titled "Talons of the Emperor" so they need to be titled "Talons of the Emperor" on the Index.
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>>53458944
For me it was Kiki from the first KS. I was so looking forward the modle based on the sketch. Now she's just sitting there assembled and primed but at the bottom of the paint cue.
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>>53459020
Resin is objectively a fucking trash tier material. I don't care how """"detailed"""" it is, it really does fucking suck dick.
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>>53459010
Stay mad DA
Enjoy your squated army.

>>53459014
It was an exchange mail between a store owner in SA and GW representative.

Beside rumors there isn't much.
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>>53459034
Oh jesus what even is that fucking fatvore magical realm fetish bullshit
>>
>>53459034
What the fuck is this ugly BBW fetish garbage
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>>53458647
saving the best for last
gimme dat sexy 40k vorax model
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>>53459040
Resin is cancer we all know that.
But give credit to third party companies actually doing something decent with that. Unlike the GW fucks.
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>>53459049
>It was an exchange mail between a store owner in SA and GW representative.
Unless you have screencaps, what you mean is, it was word of mouth from a dude who SAID they had a mail from a GW rep claiming Sisters are getting a boxed game

In other words "choke this down with enough salt to kill you, or if you're retarded enough to believe it, better replace the salt with cyanide"
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>>53459034
Female Ogryn. They snatch up little men and force them to do naughty.
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>>53459073
>open up a box of GW shitecast
>have to spend hours cutting away stupid support struts because they couldn't be bothered to fucking make sure the finished product looked decent
>the mold halves are misaligned anyways and there is an unsightly uneven shift between the two halves
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>>53459073
FW does great stuff with resin

GW Finecrap is another thing entirely
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>>53457535
>Emplyee removes helmet
>Attaches female head
"It was a woman the whole time."
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>>53459079
Right now the bitch has been rather accurate.

The next army for the end of the year is going to be a Hrud like thing.
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>>53458930
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>>53459102
...Her shoulders are above her head

by a lot
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>>53458134
What's the best way to get into 40k with slaanesh? I only have 10 daemonettes and a pink sword wielding aspiring champ. With the rules becoming economically feasible now, I figure I'll give space a chance.
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>>53459018
is this the new 8th edition rule book??? can you give peak?
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>>53459096
In my experience 1 out of 5 resin model need to be replace by FW.

Due to bubbles, unaligned molds, more flash and a flash comic, broken, and let's not even mention the amount of work need to unbend stuff.
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>>53459104
Accurate regarding what so far? And where is the proof that they predicted things beforehand and this isn't some retroactive claim to accuracy to things we already know are confirmed now?
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>>53458047
I love it. Good mix between contemptors and boxnaughts, clearly heavily influenced by the original dreadnought models.
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>>53459136

That's the 3e book

That's why he was saying he still only plays 2e/3e
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>>53459140
She did mention GS and IA books months before their release.
Along with the crane kits (civilian stuff with the cute tool box)

"Van a lanzar un eldar cubierto en queso" They are releasing an eldar cover in cheese.

Those are the kind of things she say.
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>>53459084
looks fun to paint
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>>53459134
Would have said with TL but who knows what will transfer over for the EC
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>>53459018
I miss that old artwork. That rulebook was brilliant
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>>53459071
Looks very Bioshock esque, love the admech models.
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>>53459123
She operates it like a mech.
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>>53459211
For what purpose?
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>>53459204
TL?
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>>53459213
Inquisition, ain't gonna explain shit.
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>>53459206
It really is.
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>>53459102
>no helmet
>one boltshell to the face and all that armour is fucking worthless
Typical women short-sightedness
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>>53459209
They are sexy, aren't they.
I always wondered why I couldn't shoot the fuck out of that thing, it worked on the original Big Daddies and it spends a fair bit of time in the Tower with its eye about a foot from your face. Still a pretty fucking awesome game, though, I should really replay the original.
Might make a cool conversion for an Admech Vulturax if they ever show up, I'll add it to the ideas book.
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>>53459236
traitor legions book, shifting noise marines to troops and making sonic weapons stronk, along with some combat drugs stuff.
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>>53459243
>KKK Inquisitor above quote saying "the rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal"
what did GW mean by this
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>>53459102
Guy at the bottom sums up my reaction perfectly lmao
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>>53459262
Sounds fun. I'm guessing I just need noise boys for that? What's a good starting buy list?
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Wonder how these guys will be since ballistarii are gonna get nerfed into the ground
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>>53459123
Maybe there's enough room for hand controls in there.

>>53459134
Well with the new FoCs its easier than ever to fill one out with whatever units you like. Are there any chaos models in particular you like? Tanks, dreadnoughts, raptors, cultists.

I've heard a lot of bitching about people not liking the currant plastic Chaos Marines, I don't think they're that bad.

Also the Dark Vengeance box set is good since everything in there is chaos. But seriously the chaos half is pretty good to start with
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>>53459199
You look fun to paint.
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>>53459272
The truth.

Where did you saw then KKK there?
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>>53459259
The songbird is pretty much indestructable, it crashes into the Tower and is at the heart of an explosion larger than any gun at your possession could make. Only incredible amounts of pressure at the ocean floor could kill it and even then it lasted like 10 seconds.
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>>53458134

wheres the better resolutions ffs
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>>53459211
But compare it to >>53459102, her fucking head is entirely below her arms. That image would still be anatomically impossible.
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>>53459299
OwO
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>>53459102
that's terrible.
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>>53457144
>Aquilon
I called it
I FUCKING CALLED IT
f e e l s g o o d m a n
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>>53459243
is there a scan of this somewhere? I love the old art.
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>>53459328
hah i bet u brwose pol amirite xd go back to le pol xd xd xd
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>>53459282
Looking at the noise marines (and csm in general) stuff, they're all OK. The FW Keeper of Secrets looks incredible. Current daemonettes look like trannies (mixed feelings on that). I'd honestly be fine with an EC company though.
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>>53459323
I see you're a Slaanesh follower. Then you'll like my body of work.
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>new primaris marines look good
>new dread looks good

looks like nu-Howling Griffins are on after all
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>>53459372
cruddace pls go
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>>53459345
I might have one to upload if you can't find it in the megas, lemme check
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>>53459372
I'm looking forward to picking up a box for my World Eaters
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Skitarii Vanguard with them Plasma Calivers will be mandatory for AdMech players if we also get the new Plasma rules.
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>>53458184
Alright, I'm convinced. Full Primaris army for 8th.
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>>53459345
http://wh40klib.ru/codex/Old-School_Codex/Rulebook_3-rd_ed_Eng.pdf

It is not complete thou. Mine is in Spanish so not really worth scanning.
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>>53459345
Probably in the Megas at the top. I got a copy from there a year ago, in case my book ever falls apart.
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>>53458929
that's so mature of you
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>>53459407
>t. butthurt 3Pfag
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>>53459396
>>53459401
>>53459385

thanks!
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>>53458929
t. trigger
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>>53459281
>ballistarii are gonna get nerfed into the ground
Really? Seems like with D6 wounds they might do a decent job picking on a lot of things.

>>53459303

True. It didn't need seafloor pressure to damage, though, the lens in its eye cracks what, seven metres down? You probably couldn't kill it, but you might be able to do some damage.
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>>53458943
I-Is t-that you? After alll these years....
/tg/-tan?
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Sup guys, what's going on around here?
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>even box dreads are manlets now
C u c k e d
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>>53459434
It's so fucking bad holy shit, /v/fags btfo lol
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>>53459425
>Really? Seems like with D6 wounds they might do a decent job picking on a lot of things.

Yeah, plus they're weapons are Twin-Linked, so this edition will be doubling the number of shots they get.
I'm really not sure why anyone thinks they'll be nerfed.
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>>53459434
Why does he look like a gorilla in terminator armour ?
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>>53459407
>>53459422
>so mad he has to samefag
Anon it's not my fault if you waste money on retarded looking 3rd party pin-up garbage no one can take seriously.
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Manlets
When will they learn?
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>>53459425
>>53459447
The anon who said Ballistarii might have meant Peltasts and gotten mixed up
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>>53459458
>DA gay poster is back

God damn it this thread doing fine.
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>>53459467
Why is the custodes larger than the primarine ? People were REEEEEEing how the new marines were supposedly a head taller than custodes, based on a photoshop made comparison, was it that far off ?
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>>53459358
Well Noise marines have been good and will probably still be good enough, Havocs should be amazing, you can't go wrong with getting a rhino or two. I want to see what happens with Forge Fiends and their dakka cannons, same with Raptors an melee.

A keeper of secrets will be a good chunk of points, can't say more till we see stats and powers, but having Always strikes first in melee should be strong.

With a warband of EC you could play back and use range or have everyone in transports and charge forward. Ether way deepstriking Demons should be useful
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>>53458225

Plague Champion with Plasma Gun and Power Fist is brutal. Squad leader don't normaly geared with special weapon.
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>>53457144
>all that custodes stuff
i am cum
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>>53459394
>Full Primaris army for 8th.
this X100

primaris marines will be the only marines to ever get a release from now on

points costs will make it a liability to ever field anything but *new* marines under any circumstances.

old chapters and model ranges are left to whither and die twisting in the wind.
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>>53459458
whatever you say champ
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>>53459467
I just called in a squadron of tanks, comrade :3
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>>53459434
Now you just shitting with me.
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>>53458689
>>53458647
Imperial Armour Fires of Cyraxus will bring over the majority of Mechanicum to 40k. Maybe not the troops but most of the robots.
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>>53459477
Exactly what does he have to do with the DAfag?

Return to reddit if you're so obsessed with internet evil men.
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>>53459482
People over exaggerate. In 3 more 40k generals the will he the size of imperial knights.
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>>53459476
Oh, maybe.
Are Peltasts gonna be nerfed? I kinda doubt it'll be much. They're still a decent unit even if they lose a little function, anyway.
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>>53459492
Oldmarines are 13ppm
Numarines are 24ppm-40ppm depending on load-out, and that's not even getting into the bigger guys. They're actually pretty balanced.

It's probably true that marinelets will never get new model releases though.

>>53459477
>accusing someone who doesn't even type like DAfag of being DAfag because they don't like your shitty 3rdpp crap
Dude
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>>53459467
Silly chad marines thinking you're big and already falling behind non-beta marines
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>>53458093
But anon, that already exists.
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>>53459492
>old chapters and model ranges are left to whither and die twisting in the wind.
Just like the old "beakie" armor
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>>53459521
Vanguard are definitely getting better Plasma Guns. Maybe Peltasts will come down a little to make Rangers and Vanguard and Hoplites actually feel good?
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>>53459492
>Somebody on Bolter and Chainsword posted what answer he got on Warhammer Fest when asking about future old marine releases
>Reply was that there isn't anything planned short term but there will be more old marine releases in the future
>Primarines are just another type of juiced soldiers in the imperium, it's meant to be a whole new army.
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>>53459492
Primaris will get 1 squad for each slot (troop, fast attack, etc) and a couple vehicles, and hqs . They are a quick reinforcement in setting, allowing low count SM armies for some quick cash.

The squads are too specialized.
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>>53459489
Wouldn't say kos is a must, though I may get the model for a cool project anyway. Would I just include a detachment of seekers/daemonettes and a herald, on top of my EC?
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>>53458930

>t. virgin, friendless, autistic shitposter on a Bangladeshi Snake-charming picture exchange
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>>53459573
lmao
manlet marines get cucked
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>>53459489
Another thing I'd be tempted to do is a daemon prince with a snake (trygon) body. I've seen pictures and I just really want one now. Could I include that as a general?
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>>53459425
Sorry I meant Peltasts. They got nerfed ultra hard for 30k, their profiles got changed significantly. Really I don't think they were playtested prior to release, overpowered
>seven metres down
Pretty sure whats her face teleported them all down to the seafloor in Rapture
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>>53459588
I was hoping to use daemonettes and seekers along with some noise marines, I've just been agonising over HQ and heavy support.
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Let me guess: The Necrons are going to go back to being garbage?
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>>53459620
>They got nerfed ultra hard for 30k
Oh shit, yeah? What'd they do to them, and when?
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>>53459573
>Primarines are just another type of juiced soldiers in the imperium, it's meant to be a whole new army.

So GW had a chance to create a whole brand new Army. They could've offered a host of new alien species, or some other faction of the Imperium, non-chaos renegades, etc. What do they do instead? MOAR MARINES!!!

Here's the funny part: I know exactly why GW did it. It's because marines are their biggest seller, and Primarines are obviously going to make more money for them than anything that is genuinely brand new would do.
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>>53459625
Just throw in a herald
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>>53459646
>They could've offered a host of new alien species, or some other faction of the Imperium, non-chaos renegades, etc. What do they do instead?
A non-NPC faction.
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>>53459434
that ape-shape face my god Blood raven were mistake
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>>53459620
Yeah, I'm hoping the new Peltasts will be somewhere in between. Shouldn't be hard, just don't make them pay for Hammershot.

There was a bit earlier in the game where you fall into water from the skyrails just after the tower escape, where it tries to dive after you and the lens cracks fairly quickly. Then Elizabeth rezzes you. The last bit was in Rapture, yeah.

>>53459645

Flechettes became S2 and they had to buy Hammershot rounds for a decent price, among other things. Made them worse than Vanguard, since you could swap the Galvanic Casters for Radium Carbines and have better damage, plus you can put blocks of 20 into Triaros.
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>>53457439
>tfw to intelligent to betray imperium
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>>53459034
>strategically placed gut covering firearm
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>>53459588
>>53459619
It's hard to say for certain with the rules in flux that sounds like a decent plan.

With the way faction key words seem to work you can freely mix and match Chaos units like Marines and Demons, though there may be bonuses for sticking to a single faction key word, in this case [Slaanesh].

Demon prince is in the same realm as greater demon, has been good probably still will be. I love that conversion idea, it's a good one.
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>>53459573
> >Reply was that there isn't anything planned short term but there will be more old marine releases in the future
They be lying.
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>>53459619
I would wait for Fulgrim to get released, since that's exactly what his model will look like. Daemon conversions using Tyranid parts always come out looking bad because they're so clearly nid kitbashes it's hard to think of them as what they're supposed to be.
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>>53459646
Oh boy, lookee here, we got a regular Sherlock holmes on our hands here!

Gee, its not like, I dunno, Marines have always been their biggest seller. But now that you mention it, that might explain why the Horus Heresy is so big... Or why Space marines have been in every starter set to date... Or why they ported Space Marines over to fantasy...

By jove, I think your on to something anon!
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>>53457144
still no beast packs for SoS
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>Grey Knighs will still be manlets
feelsbadman.jpg
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>>53459690
>Flechettes became S2 and they had to buy Hammershot rounds for a decent price, among other things.

Oh, yeah, kinda bleh. I still like the Parabolic Shot ammo, but yeah, fair enough.
Thanks for the info.
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>>53459707
>>53459702
Here's one
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>>53459741
>kinda bleh
They were the best infantry in the entire game before the nerfs, they deserved it
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>>53459760
Isn't fulgrim coming next year tho?
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>>53459768
Oh yeah, I totally admit they needed to be toned down. I just wanted to know if they got toned down to 'fair' or toned down to 'trashcan'.
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>>53458943
He has honest to god pointy fucking elf ears. That's some hardcore heresy right there.
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>>53459760
>>53459783
I like it. If you enjoy converting go for it, I hope Fulgrim looks different enough than that to be distinct anyway.
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>>53459783
This year.
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>>53458658
>complaining about this dread when we have had how many of those ugly contemptors
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>>53459646
>players receive admech
>and a hugely updated and expanded GSC
>still demand MOAR
Yea no thanks. Better to update armies and models that the vast majority can enjoy in the new edition
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>>53459034
>T H I C C
>H
>I
>C
>C
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>>53458832
>imperial guard
thats not 8th anon
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Anybody else noticed that in the new dreadnought video it says "Space marine redemptor dreadnought" ?
Why not 'Primaris space marine dreadnought ?

Or does this imply that it is in fact just a new pattern of dreadnought, with no special relation to primarines, and that primarines haven't been around long enough to have been put in a metal box ?
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>>53459843
4 arms and angel wings for edgy moral ambiguity

>>53459844
This pleases me to see daddy coming home sooner
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>>53459888
Primaris Space Marines are still Space Marines.
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>>53459888
They've been around for 100 years. There is bound to be a mortally wounded one here or there.
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>>53459888
It would make sense for it to be a new dreadnought pattern. Given how new primaris' are
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>>53459899
>that picture
Where did you find that?
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>>53459102
It looks like she's a disembodied head.
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>>53459888
In Warhammer Community it was announced as primaris.
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>>53459920
>100 years
Where is that stated?
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>>53459888
Because while it's linked to the lore of Primaris marines it is a Space Marine vehicle separate from them as well.

>>53459899
>The drama queen gets an edgy model
What's the problem? Multi limbs is very Slaanesh.
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>>53459243
>the rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal
really forges my narrative
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>>53459899
That a noise marine screaming an Eldar's face off?
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>>53459844
How do you know?
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>>53459992
yep
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>>53459213
muh female space marines
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>>53459975
>Power 6
Hm.
>>
fresh wheat yeet
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>>53459975
Wasn't complaining. Seems all the daemon primarchs announced so far will have angelic wings.
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>>53459992
A banshee no less
>>
Army builder dude here again... going through everything I have on hand.

1x Daemon Prince of Nurgle
5x FW Deathguard Terminators
7x Plague Marines ... Finecast unfortunately
20x CSM that can be made Plague real easy
50x Zombies
1x Hellbrute
1x Defiler

Guesstimating that sets me around 1,250+ points with upgrades. I figure it would roughly be worth that in 8th too. I've never actually played with them and they're all unpainted. Think they'll be fun to learn 8th with?

I have no fucking vehicles. That is the only horrible drawback...
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>>53459992
Yep. Actually pretty cool
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>>53459534
I want to see beakie prime ass. If I can get beakie heads I would be tempted to make them..
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>>53459941
Somewhere in the community. One of the posts mentioned it, but now I can't find it so im starting to think im going insane.
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>>53460025
>Just 5 AP -1 bolters and 10 wounds
Plague marines would stomp them outright with plasma or launchers. They might pull some range shenanigans but there's only so far you can back up.

>>53460035
Ya, with those wings on Mort you kind of wonder who doesn't.
>Angron
>Perturabo
Answered my own question there...hopefully
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>>53459718
Don't forget that each of the Chaos Gods have been fleshed out into a full mini-faction outside of the CSM bubble.
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>>53459930
The only link I can find between the new dread and primarines is in the primaris FAQ, and then just in a really weird answer to the question whether you can keep on playing marines without having to purchase primarines.
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>>53457306
>their codex is all their own units plus the entire guard codex
Fuck this shit.
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>>53460052
Want to hear the noise marine theme song
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So, do we have any news on the primarchs who went to the warp, yet?
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>>53459718
>Marines are popular
>Write more material, give more unique sub-faction codexes, and give them the most model attention
>This makes marines even more popular since people want to have a well defined sub-faction or make their own
>GW focuses more on marines since they are so popular
It's a vicious cycle of money.
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>>53460132
Eldar used to be pushed as did Orks. They simply didn't have the traction Smurfs did.
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>>53460115
>Guard can ally with all Imperium units in the entire game
>Mad that GSC can ally with a single subfaction of the Imperials

What?
>>
What model do you think makes the best center piece for a Chaos army?
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Apparently Chadmarines keep losing games playing the starter box games
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>>53460190
Not surprising. You load that many points into a single model, you lose that many points when you lose that model. And they stack up.
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>>53460187
A Defiler is pretty sick if you don't want to go for a renegade knight
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>>53460190
Wait what ? You mean to say that the loyalist faction of the starter set doesn't have such a huge advantage it is almost impossible to lose ?
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>>53460187

With its new rules, easily a Chaos Leviathan Dread.
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>>53460190
Not surprised. There's a reason Plague Marines have been pretty good basically forever.
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>>53460190
That's actually rather surprising. I figured with the jump troops and generally better range and movement values it would be like playing against Tau
>>
How possible is it to build a psyker heavy SM force?
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>>53460132
>muh "marines are only popular because GW pushes them, if they pushed my NPC race they'd be just as popular" claim
That's bullshit and you know it. GW has pushed tons of armies besides the vannila marines at various points: Orks, CSM, Eldar and now tau.
Hell, nids were like the second or third best seller back when they used to tell us that info and nids weren't even being pushed at that time.
Marines were popular from the start and have remained popular since then. The only reason they get so much support is because they've proven to be the army thatis popular no matter what, so GW would be idiots to not support them.
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>>53460190
T5>A2
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>>53460229
Name me 3 edition starter sets that didn't have marines.
Name me 4 stand alone 40k games that didn't had marines.
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>>53460190
Where are you seeing that, Anon?
>>
So,were the rumors about a new faction about Primaris or something else?
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>>53460228
This edition : spam nothing but the Librarius formation

Next edition : use the Supreme Command FOC to take anywhere between 3-5 librarians, use multiple of that FOC if you need.
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>>53460190
I'm surprised. I thought the jump marines and hell-blaster squad would carry them.
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>>53460228
In 8th, very.
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>>53460228
In 7th you base it around Librarius Conclave. In 8th you'll just be taking a bunch of librarians. You can basically have as many as you want given the supreme command detachment.
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>>53460229
Congratulations, this is the most retarded post I've seen on 4chan today.
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>>53460281
Hmm probably doesn't compare to an eldar who just sticks warlocks in loads of squads and so on though?
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>>53460284
How so?He seems to have a point
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>>53459975
Oh shit, thanks for posting that. Now working it out each side of the new starter set is around 50 power.

Primaris Marines 52 power:
>Captain-7
>Lieutenant x2-8 (assumption)
>Ancient-5 (assumption)
>Intercessor squad x2-12
>Interceptor squad -8
>Hellblaster squad-12

Death Guard 50-52 power
>Lord of Contagion-9
>Malignant Plaguecaster-8/9 (assumption)
>Noxious Blightbringer-8/9 (assumption)
>Plague Marines-9
>Poxwalkers-6
>Foetid Blightdrone-10
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>>53457535

Is this the New Games Workshop™ everybody keeps talking about?
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>>53460254
You do understand Rogue trader is when marines proved to be much much more popular than the other factions right? They outsold absolutely everything by a mile.
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>>53460298
Depends entirely on the specific rules. And if you go Blood Angels you can also take Psyker Dreadnoughts.
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>>53460319
Yeah, and there was certainly no bias back then
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>>53460254
gorkamorka
necromunda
gangs of commorragh
inquisitor
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>>53460170
Because the supplementary material and lore isn't explored to the same degree. People get a huge kick out of their dudes mattering and having character, not just model support and nice rules.
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>>53460256
warhamfest interviews etc
>inb4 GW adds a dread into the box to make chads win more
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>>53460307
Except he doesn't.

Marines are shoved into everything. So it's hard to tell how popular they really are.

Imperial Marine didn't run out of stock as fast as Vyridian constant out of stock.

Does this mean SoB are popular? No, but it means there is a large enough market for other shit beside marines. As GSC, AdMech, Eldar and Tau.

The consumers want marines, but they also want something else. Maybe if he had a decade of no marines release we could tell how popular they are. Some factions still keep up their sales dispait not getting shit for years.
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>>53460319
Rogue Trader focused on muhreens you fucking spanner.
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>>53460319
Not really.

>>53460361
Inquisitor had marines, it was a specialist game same as Necromunda.
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>>53460355
No Faggot you don't get what I'm saying.

They out side -Everything-. At this point GW were selling third party D&D rules, they were making models for different companies. They even had doctor who models and shit. The marine plastic box outsold every fucking thing by a mile. This isn't "they're on the cover", this is "holy shit, they look cool what game is this?"

They tried to push Eldar and Orks during 2nd edition, then Chaos closer to the end of it. No one gave a shit, so they tried Dark Eldar. Still no one gave a shit.
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>>53460432
t. My Dad worked for GW in the 80's guys, honest
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>>53460269
>>53460239
>>53460215
>>53460190
Are they winning because they can take their save AND their special save? Does the termi lord technically get 3 saves now?
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>>53460254
>>53460284
>RT released
>marines prove the most popular of the bunch by far
>remain popular for 30 years
>i..it..it's just because of the suport they get guys! They totally wouldn't be popular if they didn't get it.

Here's the thing, every starter set has another army besides marines. 2 have had orks, 1 has has Deldar, 3 will now have CSM, 2 have had nids. Despite Orks, nids and CSM all having been around since second edition, being in multiple starter sets, being relatively popular armies, being the main bad guys in quite a few 40k vidya games and being the 3 most powerful non-imperium factions in the lore, none of them have supplanted space marines place as number one.
Oh, and don't forget about eldar, who have always gotten rather good support and always have at least good dexes. And tau, who are getting tons of support, powerful rules and fluff which pisses all over marines. And none of them have ever even come close to supplanting marines dominance as the best seller.

Marines are king because people like them, not because "muh support"
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>>53460432

Somethings just have universal appeal. As a concept Space Marines go beyond 40k and into the mainstream with things like starcraft, halo, etc etc.

Shit like Dark Eldar or what have you will never have a wide appeal because as a concept they are already niche.
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>>53460190
I bet I know why: The Terminator Paradox.

It's the problem that Grey Knights, Custodes and other all-elite armies keep having: enormously high quality models with high ppm that can pick a spot on the board and RUIN it, but as a result have utterly garbage overall board control.

It's a fault of basic force concentration. Put all your points on one objective and you'll get that objective, but ONLY that objective. As a Guard player I see this a lot when I play vs Grey Knights and Deathwatch; they're very vulnerable to the kind of unit-deleting long range power the Guard offers, especially if you space it out so they can only attack one at a time, and every loss is incredibly costly and irreplaceable.

When you're playing Chad, you gotta smash good or you don't smash at all.
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>>53460432
>People want to start 40k
>More people trend towards the army on the cover
>Later editions push other armies, doesn't work out as well because a lot of people already bought that cover army
>The trend continues because every starter box since has marines
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>>53460254
Gorka Morka, Necromunda, Cloudstorm attack, The 2 titan boxset, whatever the dark eldar surfing game was cool.
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>>53460385
>No, but it means there is a large enough market for other shit beside marines. As GSC, AdMech, Eldar and Tau.
Are you such a tard you thought anyone was claiming GW should only ever support marines?
Get basic reading comprehension, people were asserting marines get tons of support because the demand, over their entire existence, has warrented that level of support. That's all that's being claimed, not that GW should only support marines and squat everything else.
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>>53460488
Marines have been in all the starter sets

Even my fucking grandmother had marines due to how fucking common and pushed those things are.
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>>53460488
>This one faction has been in every starter box
>These other factions have in a couple starter boxes
>But see? Marines are still number one!
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>>53460515
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If a weapon has an AP value of 0 does that mean that if it hits it will definitely wound? The wiki says only -1 AP will always allow armour saves. If that is true, why would a boltgun be weaker than a bolt pistol?
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>>53460498
stormcloud attack had marines vs chaos
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>>53460516
That's wrong though
See here
>>53460361

Also, the start collecting boxes are all starter sets and only one is for vannila marines.
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>>53460471
t. I was alive in the 80s

>>53460497
The marines got people into the game not the game got people into marines. This was an era where GW's playing defined the fluff. If they ran a captain and Captain Bob did well then Captain Bob became an official character and got fluff written about him. The entire horus heresy fluff is based on people buying so many marines and playing them against each other in the RT era
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>>53460514
They don't get support due to demand. If that was true Eldar would have their fucking aspect warriors by now.

Did you forgot how fucking confuse GW was when Vyridian sold that much?
GW does not understand the concept of selling something else but marines.
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>>53460527
Sorry, I meant bolt rifle
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>>53460536
>moving the goal post. 40k games, not spin off or specialist games.
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>>53460531
There was 3 versions. Chaos VS marines, Tau VS Necrons, Orks VS Eldar
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>>53460556
>>53460556
>>53460556
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>>53460549
Its a nerf on bolters. You vs their armor save.

They can't just delete guardsmen/nids now.
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>>53460565
>start collecting aren't for starting the hobby.
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>>53458658
As a BA player, I own 8 dreads of various varieties.

I never once thought I would want to buy another dread. I was horribly wrong.
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>>53459888
Does it actually make a difference whether they decapitated a manlet or a chad to stuff into the box? Helmets are interchangable, afterall.
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>>53460579
ah okay so they make it -1 so the guardsmen/nids always can roll an armour save when it comes to being shot with that? I see, thanks for the info buddy.
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>>53460664
If its -1 it will delete 6+ units, not sure if nids were that or 5+.

Before though, bolters were AP5 so guardsmen got no save, now its 0 so they get a 5+.
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>>53460484
2 saves, just like now. The best of either armor or ward and then DR. Although DR is rolled per wound rather than per hit, so it's a little weaker vs. high damage weapons.
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Might be late to the party, but genestealer cults can have an astra militarum detachment in their army. Does this mean that usually you can't mix detachments from different factions? Are 'allied' forces no longer possible except for eldar, chaos and imperium?
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>>53460689
Oh what? I'm sorry I don't quite get this, so a weapon with -1 auto wounds on 6+ armour save units?

I saw this on the wiki of warhammer rules that says "The AP rating indicates the Armour Save the weapon can ignore – so lower means more powerful. A weapon shown as ‘AP-’ has no Armour Piercing value and will never ignore a target’s Armour Save.
If the weapon’s Armour Piercing value is equal to or lower than the model’s Armour Save, then it is sufficiently powerful to punch straight through the armour; the target gets no Armour Save at all. The armour is ineffective against the shot.
If the weapon’s Armour Piercing value is higher than the armour, the target can take his save as normal"

Doesn't this mean that it should always allow for armour saves?
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>>53460920
Those are the old rules.

New rules are just a modifier.

-1 means like you say, 6+ gets no save.

Its no longer binary.
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>>53460964
Ah alright haha, I was a bit confused there. Thanks for clarifying that.
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>>53460432
>so they tried Dark Eldar. Still no one gave a shit.
this was primarily because old dark eldar miniatures looked like ass and their fluff consisted of being even edgier than chaos space marines.
I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons tyranids sold as well as they did and have done (up until the last few editions shat so thoroughly on nid players that they became disinfranchised) is because of the aliens movies. People like space marines fighting aliens and most people who play nids also like this dynamic.
Just like the only reason people got into tau was because they love anime mechs.
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>>53460860
Yep you are late to the party.
Your army must share a common Faction keyword.

So goodbye Taudar.
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>>53459477
Next you'll be crying Carnac and cheetah anon, faggot.
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>>53457575
5th was when tyranids got their first cruddex.
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>>53457575
>it seems overwhelming how people consider 5th edition the best and most balanced
best edition was 3rd desu
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>>53457575
>5th ed grey knights
>balanced
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>>53458487
>CSM
>Getting the atlas
I hope you like the new mechanicus Notatlas automata
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>>53458066
>>53459888
>>53457666
>>53457645
>>53457667
>>53457670
>>53457949
>>53458047

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291376-clan-trago-force/?p=3708905
Resembles the Tallbox Dreads I see sometimes (Castaferrum torso, Contemptor arms and legs)
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>>53461907
Still looks way more like an ugly Leviathan.
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>>53462020
IIRC that's what they are usually played as...
To each his own-I, for one, don't like the giant rounded "shoulders" coming up above the head by THAT much. Marine stuff should be blocky slabs of armor.
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>>53462071
>Marine stuff should be blocky slabs of armor.
What like the iconic blocky pauldrons that all marines have?
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